I've actually talked to other competitive Sonic players that feel the same way! The goal with my channel is to bridge the gap between casual and competitive to a certain extent :)
I love Sonic, I may not enjoy his moveset because it definitely could've been better but I still am happy Sonic is in Smash He's easily one of my fav characters.
Why they just have Sonic do a Boost attack for his side special when you move the joystick while holding the b button, just change his forward air animation to the spin kick he does when he does a trick in Sonic Rush and make him launch himself at one of the players right before he finishes his FinalSmash. That way he can still has the same move set, it would represent his franchise more, Sega would get more money/credit in Smash and they would only need to do a little bit more work on Sonic. Cloud got a change when he didn't need one, so why not a character who needs one like Sonic. Everybody wins.
I'm gonna be honest, I think nintendo knows sonic's representation in smash is Bad, but they won't change it's moveset because it benefits them. Like, when people(that don't know nothing about Sonic) play as the character, because of the bad and uninspired moveset he has, they wouldn't want to play his games because they'll assume that they're just as Bad as it's moveset. It's like a marketing strategy. And I hate that!😞😩😡
Emerald Hill Zone would be nice for tails but it’s too close to green hill. I was thinking of Chemical Plant Zone. Sky Sanctuary, Radical Highway, and Crisis City are perfect for the others though. Crisis City is one of my favorites form Sonic 06. Also Wave Ocean. Why isn’t Eggman on the list?
"Full of loveable characters... and Zavok" I almost choked on my coffee, that was a good diss. And I too want my boi Sonic to be done justice in future installments, I just love him so much and he was a huge part of my teen years.
Thank you for appreciating my favorite joke in the video 🤣 ♥️ Same! My the end of my childhood would've been a lot worse without him so I will always share my love for the franchise with others :)
Sakurai: "I would like to add underappreciated villains." SEGA: "Zavok?" @@PowPowSmash : "Eww." RadicalSoda: "At least it isn't Classic Sonic... again."
@@mastrsonic375 Zeena was the most interesting Zeti *simply because she flirted with Sonic.* Of course, the others were old, depressed, hungry, crazy, and "totally not Bowser."
Metal makes more sense as an echo, but if the franchise can only get one other character playable and they HAVE to be an echo then I'd rather have Shadow
great video. Idk if Sonic’s moveset will ever be changed but giving it more specificity would be nice to see. Also how did they miss out on putting the ultimate lifeform in Ultimate
Thanks a lot Nick! I'm not very optimistic that his moveset will be changed but I'm at least hoping that the franchise will get a second fighter by the end of Ultimate I KNOW RIGHT? Literally everything was pointing to Shadow being playable and Sakurai just said nahhhhhh
Sonic has a huge amount of moves they're not even acknowledging such as Sonic Heal, Sonic Kick, Axe Kick, Sonic Up Draft, Gravity Control, Gravity Dive, Hail Storm, Sonic Wind, Speed Break, Time Break, Triangle Jump, Sonic Wind, Boost Mode, Sonic Boom, Homing Smash, Gun Drive, there's alot more than just Homing Attack, Boost, Air Boost, Slide, Stomp, Drift and only a couple of others.
@Devin S. I seriously hope oneday that changes, there's a monstrous amount of movesets and you'll be surprised SATSR actually has moves that help the game, Aegis Slider is a defensive ability and since Sonic has power over Fire, Wind and Darkness in this game, his Crests would probably really be handy in a new game, I seriously hope oneday the Flame of Judgement makes a return in a mainline game even though it drains lifeforce, heck you could have Sonic have this curse again and have a line showing he's weaker and on knees when he dies or loses as that's what happens in a cutscene around the last parts of SATSR, I know people hate SATSR but it has pretty dope concepts, I saw the trailer as a kid with the Flame on his chest and that's what was iconic for me as a kid, I've played and beaten SATSR twice with some emotional moments but got used to it, had to get rid of my recent copy not for controls but that my Wiimote's batteries drained so quick just to fill Darkspine Sonic's Soul Gauge and attack Alf-Layla-Wa-Layla's heart, hope oneday DS returns and doesn't have to have this problem.
@marshlindsey2763 The reason Sephiroth works is because Final Fantasy Dissidia is an amazing fighting game, which makes transferring Cloud and Sephiroth so easy. Sonic the Fighters and Sonic Battle aren't on the same level as Dissidia, so transferring Sonic's friends wouldn't be as easy.
To me, the biggest offense to Sonic in smash, is the removal of his iconic "you're too slow" line from Brawl... this combined with his ssb4 redesign to be closer to the one from colors, where his mouth is always put sideways in the most steriotypical cartoon manner, rather than being at least centered, actually made me dislike him in smash... I know it is details, but sometimes, details and first impressions are everything...
@@JoJoboiWav Even changing one detail, is a redesign... I do not recall his mouth being soo much steriotypically off-centered before Colors* *Unleashed...
That's what I'm sayingggg, if there's ever going to be a year for Eggman or Tails to get in it's this one with Sonic's 30th anniversary! Fingers crossed 🤞
It's going to be a HUGE disrespect if there's not a Second Sonic rep on his 30th Anniversary but there wasn't Doom Slayer at the Game awards on his Anniversary so I wouldn't be surprised just disappointed with Nintendo
On one hand I wouldn't mind seeing eggman in smash as a second rep for sonic because sonic deserves it. But on the other hand (and this might sound pitiful) I really don't want him in smash because when it comes to sonic characters in general sonic and robotnik are literally the only two characters that get all the attention and praise while all of the other characters are being shunned due to how past games and current games have handled them. I'm sick and tired of all the focus being on just those two. I get it, they're the first two characters that kicked off the franchise with sonic 1, I grew up with sonic 1 but I also grew up with the other games that came after sonic 1. Like come on sonic and robotnik are not the only ones who are important to their own series.
@A. Smalls I'am in the Tails camp. He's an ironic player two character and deserves to be in the game alongside other player twos like luigi, diddy kong, and ken masters.
I'm definitely going to make a video on it one day! I think Fox, Pika, and Peach all have movesets that hold up today but not many other characters do lol
While no character is outright obsolete, they clearly look and feel like characters from a bygone era. A few moves from each could be retired and replaced with new moves and their overall presentation could be updated with more subtle references to their franchise.
I feel like Pikachu could use Iron Tail somewhere in his kit, but yeah those 3 have pretty solid movesets. Fighters like Luigi and Bowser have been getting new animations in recent games, but still don't really feel different enough
@@mastrsonic375 1.) Capcom was the first to get another character who wasn’t an echo with Ryu. 2.) Why question FF finally getting the representation it most of all deserved?
@@PowPowSmash Square Enix has been becoming less restrictive over the years. They fully featured Noctis in Tekken 7. For SSBU they even allowed for multiple Heroes to be featured as characters, which is a huge deal since they had strict conditions with the main protagonist interacting with each other prior in their own crossovers
@@PowPowSmash wait a sec, Sakurai is Sonic the fighters fan?! This guy is a disgrace! Seriously?! He thought that Sonic the fighters was better than Sonic battle?! This guys poor taste for Sonic games!
@@PowPowSmash wait a sec, he also got his moveset from 06?! I'm done playing smash. I'm done. I will never touch smash again! The only thing that might make me touch that game again is if they fix Sonic's moveset and add a Sonic rep! And give him a better stage than windy hill zone!
Next trailer: Galeem is beating back the fighters with Master Hands, emphasis is placed on Sonic. Missiles appear from behind the fighters and strike down a few Master Hands. Suddenly, we hear, "Ho ho ho ho ho! Long time no see, Sonic the Hedgehog!" as E.G.G.M.A.N. starts playing. Sonic, Mario, Shulk, Ganondorf, and Bowser look behind themselves and see the Egg-o-Matic on the cliffside. Sonic says, "Eggman!" as the mad doctor reveals himself with a chuckle.
Thats how I feel Like have him flex and do a little pose after hitting the attack Maybe after a punch he says some cheesy line Just give the dude some personality like he does in his games if your not gonna make him a moveset
@@PowPowSmash The reason Sephiroth works is because Final Fantasy Dissidia is an amazing fighting game, which makes transferring Cloud and Sephiroth so easy. Sonic the Fighters and Sonic Battle aren't on the same level as Dissidia, so transferring Sonic's friends wouldn't be as easy.
@@PowPowSmash sonic has had a bad reputation for the past few years and it's not even his fault, it's certain people of the development team...I've came to accept that Sonic isn't getting a rival character into smash even though it's his 30th year. They're probably going to go with characters well least expected as DLC
Here's an interesting idea: what if we get another Sonic character and Sonic gets some of his animations revise? Cloud got a new final smash, but it was only a cosmetic change. The same for Sonic. His quills get new improvements, his expression changes when he taunts and idles and things. His side b could be replaced with a Boost BUT IT WOULD ACT THE EXACT SAME. He charges it up and instead of spinning he boosts. It would be an interesting revision considering I don't think anyone would miss his old side B animation considering it's also his down B.
Sonic needs an overhaul in his moveset and if the next DLC character is a Sonic rep It would make Nintendo a lot more money if they revamped sonic at the same time they released his new rep
Ngl, I had the same idea! If they can change Game & Watch's animation because of, well, the whole Native American thing and Steve because of sex- I mean game accuracy, then Sonic can get the same treatment with his animations. Like he poses whenever he hits a homing attack even though that may have only been in Generations. IDK if replacing the function of the side B with boost animations works because Sonic doesn't usually turn around mid boost like that, but it could be a loose kinda thing and the difference in animation hitbox could be par for the course on patch updates. Maybe even change it to a Super Peel-Out at this point, haha. In terms of his idles, I get his foot tapping just has him grin while doing it for some reason, like he's being a bit friendly sarcastic or passive-aggressive which I guess is fitting, but it doesn't look like how it does in his games. But IDK about his taunts and finger wagging; sure he "smiles a bit more" in Brawl's equivalent, but the simple smile he has now still resembles how the action looks in his games and especially Sonic 1's title screen and like technically even moreso. At any case, that they bothered to change up his teetering animation to look more like it does in the original game sprite compared to how it looks in Smash 4 really makes you wonder if the idles in how they look now were animations they were totally content with, like Sonic's friendlier foot tap was fine or something.
Also have the Boost function the exact same would be disappointing, I would rather wait for the next smash game then see that happen if Sonic is getting changed, he Needs to be changed and I'm not talking resins of a move, I'm talking a full overhaul in his moves
@@mastrsonic375 Maybe it works off a meter and temporarily replaces his existing side B whenever the meter isn't empty or something, that way it'd accompany the existing moveset without replacing anything.
Yeah Sonic is really the sore thumb of Ultimate, a game that gets so much right that it makes the shortcomings even more noticeable. I mean just taking a few minutes to think about, there's so much more you could do with Sonic. Even basic things like maybe his victory screen is him opening up an animal capsule or something. Just little things that could go a long way.
Funnily enough I actually like Lost World, sure the game has flaws but once you get good at it I think it's a fun game especially when you get a handle of spindash and parkour, it has its flaws but I'd rather play Lost World over Sonic Forces
Can we just talk about how much they did my boy Tails dirty? He gets absolutely no representation beyond a spirit. He's arguably Sonic's second-most important character, (Maybe third to Eggman,) yet Knuckles and Shadow each get assist trophies? Tails is effectively absent from this game, and that really sucks considering how important he is to Sonic's history.
Yeah Tails' only appearance is in the background of Green Hill Zone :/ they probably thought that it would be easier to make a simple moveset for Shadow and Knuckles as assist trophies that represented the characters properly But who knows, maybe they're just saving Tails to be a playable character ;)
@@PowPowSmash Here's hoping! I'd be over the moon to see Tails playable, but considering how long we've waited and the lack of fan desire, I'm not really holding my breath Still, a man can dream
Hear me out: Chao Garden stage where chao play around in the background and have random evolution appearances every time you load the stage and they randomly fly onto the stage so they can get abused in the crossfire and die
Yeah, the Chao bystanders wouldn't be hazardous themselves, but hitting them too much makes Chaos (the character, not a plural of Chao) come out and stomp your face in, just like a stage hazard version of when you hit a Cucco too much (but picking them up and throwing them still targets the thrower with retribution instead of the target if it hits someone, or even if it doesn't hit anyone).
Part of me wishes Sonic was a Smash Ultimate DLC character, the internet would break and Sonic would actually have a good, gimmicky moveset and better represents in general. But then again, if Sonic wasn’t in Smash until now, I wouldn’t have gotten to experience over half of the amazing brawl mods I played.
Yeah on one hand Sonic would have a way better moveset if he was added as Ult DLC but on the other hand we wouldn't have been able to play as him in Smash for the last 10+ years so not worth it imo
They didn’t even bother giving sonic new lines. The voice clips for his taunts and winning animations are taken from sonic generations. I don’t understand why not only does sonic team and sega constantly drop the ball with sonic, to the point where it almost feels like it’s on purpose. The part that sucks is smash bros went ahead and dropped the ball with sonic just like sonic team did! What the hell man...
City Escape with a Truck hazard could've been nice. Or Angel Island, with a scenery change after a time interval. After a minute, the beach jungle is set ablaze, then the master emerald floats down in the background and the island is healed and raises into the sky. Then the Final interval is the Death Egg falling onto the island, dropping the stage back to the ground/water.
-The game is called Super Smash Bros. Ultimate -Shadow is the Ultimate Life Form -Still an assist trophy. WTF, SAKURAI! YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AND YOU MISSED IT!
I KNOW IT'S CRAZY. I think they have a very good shot to have at least one of them be added before the end of fighter pass 2, but we'll have to wait and see!
@@Rogue-Reaper117 Hpwever Eggman does make the most sense compared to the rest because Eggman was there from the beginning not Shadow, not Tails, Eggman also Smash needs more iconic villains
Not to mention seeing Tails come through that Ring Portal in the post-credits scene felt like a pseudo-smash reveal! I went to see it at the movie theater the same day it came out and everyone was clamoring in excitement at the sight of Tails and the hint at a sequel. I know for a fact everyone would love Tails in Smash, Sonic’s trusted sidekick, he’s just as iconic as Luigi. Smash has always priortized partners, Luigi made it before Bowser, Falco made it before Wolf, Diddy made it before K. Rool but Sephiroth kinda breaks that trend, so who knows what will happen and Eggman gets in instead.
@@brandonwilliams6119 I mean to be fair, I don't think anyone of the FFVII party members don't share the same role as Luigi, Tails, Falco, and Diddy. Like yes, they are extremely iconic, but none of them are like the number two's to Cloud. That itself is probably good though, as it shows that they are all each recognized equally.
Nintendo doesn't care about the sonic franchise they only like sonic and none of his other friends except maybe tails and (eggman) enemy it could also be because sonic isn't popular in Japan and Nintendo always trys to please its main demographic Japanese audiences first then the rest of the world. I also don't think Nintendo is putting in sonic's friends in smash anytime soon Untill Sega makes them relevant and playable in the main sonic games again though eggman should really have appeared by now he's just as iconic as bowser though I really want to Crash bandicoot to appear in smash bros first as he was both huge in Japan and with Western audiences and the UK though it doesn't look like any of us are getting our wish granted fuck piranha plant by the way.
Ah yes I remember my first time. It was with my uncle. He showed me some things that day. This is the first time I played the GameCube and it was glorious
As much as I want Shadow in Smash, I honestly think that the Werehog could actually be made into an interesting moveset. It would work perfectly if Sega ever ported Unleashed to the Switch ;)
If we get two or three more I see Tails, Eggman and Amy. Tails could use guns, and gadgets. His final smash could be the X Tornado bashing in Amy would use her hammer, and pull other weapons out of nowhere like she usually does Eggman could use bots and mechs, like Orbot and Cubot and could also be riding that Orb he always is in, it could work like Bowser Junior.
There are a bunch of Sonic reps that O personally would consider like Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Eggman, Metal, Silver, The Werehog and more But I would also Focus on other of smash’s most wanted characters like the Doom Slayer
@@Alex-oc1fu The reason Sephiroth works is because Final Fantasy Dissidia is an amazing fighting game, which makes transferring Cloud and Sephiroth so easy. Sonic the Fighters and Sonic Battle aren't on the same level as Dissidia, so transferring Sonic's friends wouldn't be as easy.
Roger Craig Smith is actually growing on me for Sonic's voice. Despite how Forces was recived, he did at least master the voice acting for Sonic. Roger was at his best in Forces voice acting wise. Would have been nice getting new lines for Smash.
I'll die on the hill that Roger Craig Smith does a great job as Sonic but is given terrible scripts to work with. He does such a good job as Sonic on the Sonic Boom TV show
Sonic was actually really fairly represented in brawl, especially with the time they were given. He had a moveset taken from Sonic the fighters, Green Hill Zone was a no brainer stage for him, he had a great trophy collection, and he had Shadow as an assist trophy. Every character in brawl feels equal in terms of abilities and representation. (let's pretend Meta Knight doesn't exist.) It's almost as if Sonic lost his quality in Smash alongside losing his quality in his own games. Sincerely, a brawl lover.
I 100% agree here. Believe it or not, I’ve never played smash 4 or ultimate but religiously still play brawl today. A big reason why is because sonic is my main and he looks so watered down them. In brawl, he was perfect.
@@ill_will23 The reason Sonic is more happy now is to match his Japanese box art from the classic games. Sonic's attitude that we know him for was Sega's of America's idea. So maybe Sega of Japan was in control when Sonic got designed in Smash 4?????
I can see eggman’s reveal trailer. Sonic is running through the death egg and he beats up robs with eggman logos on them, then eggman busts through a wall with a rock remix of his boss theme from sonic 1, with the splash text saying, “Eggman scrambles the competition!” His final smash would be a badnik being shot forward and a cutscene with robots beating up the fighter caught, until they’re shot by the ARK
Among all the things people want for the Sonic frnachise in Smash; I want to see more variety in the music tracks. My hopes is that we get more level themes but more importantly, we get character theme songs.
This is kinda why I'd want to see Sonic introduced in the newer games. Either as a DLC in Smash 4 or a newcomer in Ultimate, that way he could've gotten more love
What I genuinely don't get is that Sonic is an extremely well-known franchise (for better or for worse), and was treated as a direct rival to Mario for a _long_ time... I really don't get why there's so little representation for the franchise. Maybe it has something to do with SEGA's weird insistence on not making side characters playable in more recent games, but I dunno how likely that is.
I want both, but that's not exactly how the DLC rollout works. Even if they do announce two characters in the same event, it's not going to be two characters from the same franchise.
Or use Chaos Spears like guns, he does do it like this in the fight against Devil Doom but that's as his Super form which can also fire Chaos Spears like a Mortar in his All Star move in Sega & All Stars Racing but this form bestows him enhanced abilities so probably not but there is the way he uses them in Sonic Chronicles:The Dark Brotherhood and the Chaos Lance via Chaos Boost in Sonic 06 making it also a possiblity.
Sonic absolutely has to have more added. Not just a fighter imo, more music from different games would be nice as well. I think that Eggman would be the perfect choice, since he is an iconic villain and if Sephiroth can be added, I need my Robotnik in the game too. Also I'm a Jr main and I think he's really fun :( Edit: I've been thinking about this a lot: If Sakurai is so worried about "alienating" characters, why not just add Classic Sonic in smash 6 and give him Sonic's old moveset? I mean, CS seems to be an official Sega character now lmao.
You're brave for maining Jr, I honestly just harbor a lot of resentment for his moveset being stuck to the clown car and not giving him his paintbrush outside of his final smash :(
@@pugman9672 I had a friend who graduated early so she never even got a single prom (considered sophomore in her 2nd of 3 years but senior in 3rd year, 2020)
Next time I see you, I got to explain to you why I think Sonic’s special moves moveset actually kinda works fine in my opinion but I totally understand why Sonic mains and fans want a new moveset. But ya, lack of expressions and not having a second character suck. And ya you’re right...Windy Hill Zone...why... lol!
Yeah they definitely work just fine as a smash moveset now that spindash and spincharge have very different properties but the moveset is just very bland overall. But at least he's in the game and fun to play as is all I can really ask for at the end of the day!
I've recently just discovered how Spin Dash can act like a feint + counter in a juggle situation, which is actually pretty neat. Although the lack of expressions is absolutely a huge problem, it would be cool to have his expressions from Brawl back, the eyebrow motions definitely sold his attitude.
@@ffiiggyy yeah i use spindash primarily to a.) whiff punish since he slightly moves backwards when he starts charging the move b.) to catch people landing with aerials since he has invincibility frames on the hop of his up b or c.) to get out of disadvantage since spindash acts as a third jump for sonic since he slightly moves up first when using it in the air I definitely miss his Brawl expressions though, idk why they didn't carry those over and have Roger Craig Smith record "Your too slow" and "C'mon step it up" since he's the new voice actor :(
I knew there would at least be one LOL I honestly really want to like that game because it has a lot going for it, but between the bad writing, the introduction of the deadly six, and the level design getting worse as the game goes on I just can't :( The first couple worlds were an absolute blast though!
@PowPow also am I the only one who thinks Zavok it's just a wasted Character because QUITE LITERALLY it's just Bowser with a paint job and new design and I'm serious Both can grow Giant both breath Fire Both have Spikey accessories Etc.
@@PowPowSmash More of a fan of the 3DS version than the Wii U version myself, not sure if that's the version you played but it sounds like it (although, I guess that criticism can be applied to both) but I can't really blame people for not liking it. It truly does have a lot of issues that bring it down and I will forever think Sonic Team was really dumb for introducing a new and fun looking mechanic in the form of parkour whilst not only botching the execution but also making a game that is 90% not even designed around it just due to the setting. It's a game that had a lot of potential but was pretty much wasted in favor of trying to get in more with the nintendo crowd.
Tails in smash > Shadow in Smash i'm sorry but......... I feel as if Tails would make a great character addition. Especially since there's a lot of duo partners in smash already. Sonic needs his buddy
@@PowPowSmash I wasn't allowed to play video games when I was a kid, so I had to play Super Smash Flash 2 on the computer, and I remember Tails being a part of that roster
I agree, shadow doesn't seem that likely so far anyways due to his assist trophy, plus there is already a move set in super smash flash 2, I know it's not official but I hope it's at least like that if he gets added
@@ZackMaster98 I feel like if Sonic became stronger he could become overpowered. He's already lightweight to balance out his speed. So what more can Sonic sacrifice to became stronger?????
Just imagine it. The classic white smash emblem appears, zooming through to the video. It’s Snake, ZS Samus and Mega Man travelling through some strange, metal area, Similar to Shadow Moses Island. Suddenly, sirens start blaring out. The three angle their heads upwards, as a mechanism makes a platform ascend right in front of them. Then you hear his voice. And the boss music comes in clutch. Death Egg Robot. “Get a load of this!” *Dr. Eggman skewers the competition!*
Brawl: Half of Sonic’s move sets are literally Spin Dash Smash 4: Only move that changed was his down smash and half of Sonic’s move sets are Spin Dash Ultimate: dash attack changed to a lunge kick, but still has half of his move sets as Spin Dash Moral of the story, Sakurai loves Spin Dash
Slowly but surely they're trying to make his moveset more interesting at the very least lol. His dash attack is much better in Ultimate at least from a utility standpoint (don't think it's a game reference at all)
As someone who played Sonic since I was little I have to agree that Sonic represents SEGA LoL! I subbed! Quality is super high so I can’t wait for more videos!😉
The reason that a franchise that only has two games and was only revived after 10,000,000 years has more characters than one of the most iconic game franchise in the world is because of Sakurai bias.
This is a whole war crime, especially considering last I checked mario and the gang have only ever held the Olympics with Sonic. At this point Sonic feels like it's close thing to a third party game being a main Nintendo game, yet some of these games I've never heard of or played got several characters, like Earthbound or Fire Emblem, etc
@@PowPowSmash Honestly I thought you would at least have 20k subs, but you haven't gotten up to 2k yet! I'm pretty sure you're becoming the next clockwork.
Alright, here me out, if in smash 6 they add Black Shadow from F-Zero, he has Ganondorf's moveset (his old moveset without the sword I guess, basically a Captain Falcon Echo) and then give Ganondorf a completely new moveset, that way that playstyle is still there, just on another character, and Ganondorf can get the treatment, representation, and moveset he deserves 👀
You're the first person I've seen who's suggested adding the boast to his moveset, and I love it
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You know the guy running at light speed and still getting caught by galem. His games have him outrjnning black holes and running faster than his "light speed dash" (light speed dash allows light speed travel.)
_"How does Sonic not have another playable character in Smash yet?"_ Because that would be a huge waste of money? And yes, Sephiroth was a huge waste of money.
I think it's smarter to focus on 3rd party series without representation rather than double down on the ones already in smash. The only exceptions are echoes since they don't take up many resources. If nintendo could get another sega character, then it should be somebody like Aiai or Gilius Thunderhead. That way they can brag about having even more series in smash. That's just my opinion though
Ehh, with Roger Craig Smith becoming Sonic's voice actor it made snese to change the voice clips but they should've just had him rerecord "You're too slow" and "C'mon step it up"
I'm happy to see someone who cares about Sonic in Smash Bros. at all! I'm on an eSports team at my school and I'm the only one who EVER touches the blue blurr. It's too bad Eggman didn't get in like we both hoped. Love your content and keep being great!
Honestly, I always have hope Eggman would someday come to Smash. Mostly because I think it has potential for a new story mode as DLC with Eggman trying to do something EVIL and it blowing up in his face lol.
I think a cool idea for a DLC story mode would be if after Sora was added to Smash Bros. Ultimate, the main story could start with him because he was the most requested character for Smash Bros., so it’d be pretty fitting, and the story itself would also fit with something you’d see in an actual Kingdom Hearts game, because of the numerous Disney worlds he comes across in his games, and Smash itself is also a crossover as well, also all of the good characters turn into heartless versions of themselves that Sora has to fight, plus the enemies you’d typically fight in Brawls Subspace Emissary have always given me the vibes of enemies you’d expect to already see in a Kingdom Hearts game because of how weird they look, so it would actually be pretty fitting, and after Sora defeats the heartless versions of the good characters, they return to the good side and become an optional playable character in the story. Also Sora would encounter Mario, Sonic, Link and Kirby as the first mission, and they would join Sora but also have their own separate missions here and there, and they would travel to all of the many different worlds based on each character that’s in Smash Ultimate, and there would also be numerous unique enemies and bosses. The main threats to the story are the 4 most iconic video game villains of all time, Bowser, Dr. Eggman (that’s if he was added to the game btw, I include Shadow as well as far as playable characters go but Shadow would be a good character in the story btw) also Ganondorf and finally Sephiroth as the leader of the big bad 4, and villains like King K. Rool, Ridley, Wolf, King Dedede, Wario, and Kazuya would all be working under the main big 4 to see what they can do to make things difficult for the good characters in the various worlds, and the main big bad 4 villains would be doing what they can to make things more difficult as well. After going through all the worlds, gaining all of the good characters, and everything in between, and defeating all the bad characters and finally beating Sephiroth as the final boss as far as playable characters go and Cloud would also be with you in that fight, an even bigger threat comes, akin to something like Galeem, Darkhon or Tabuu, and every character including the villains decide to put aside all of their differences and team up to destroy this even bigger new threat, and afterwards that would be pretty much the end of the story, but after defeating the final boss, we’d get a cool shot of all the characters standing together watching a sunset, and we’d also see all of the main heroes with their respective villains standing next to each other to show that they each respect each other and after showing all of the characters, that would be the end, and there would be numerous great cutscenes just like Brawl but improved in various ways, all of this would be my vision for a DLC story mode with all the characters included in the story even the DLC characters.
I would love eggman in smash, add to that list of villains and sonic representation, give us a death egg stage and more sonic music and that will guarantee good dlc sales
Okay, I'm starting to get tired with the idea of Shadow as eco fighter. Shadow have potential to be a character very different to Sonic, yes, probably gonna have some moves like the spindash but that doesn't count. Even in a fan game called Super Smash Brothers Crusade his move set is completely different to Sonic, except his down B but you get the idea
Yeah Sakurai, The people who want Sonic's Moveset to be Changed are less important than the people want Sonic's moves to be the same, because everyone doesn't hate the fact that Sonic's Camps and if not the fact that Smash games take way longer when Sonic is on the battlefield, absolutely not. I hate this decision because Hardly anyone plays Sonic anyway because of how the Character is develop whether it be Casual or Competitive everyone can agree that Sonic needs an overhaul in his Moveset also if non-sonic fans are complaining about his moves that should be enough to change it. It's honestly stupid how much diservice Sonic have received No second character, Two stages which are pretty much the exact same, two assist trophies who you waited to reveal last second to disconfirm in the game, and the worst part is that it feels like Every other Third party in the roster feels better represented to their series then Sonic
So who’s gonna tell Sinister Sundown That Sonic’s Quills DO move and is not based on a normal bland hedgehog. (Example: Sonic And All-Stars Racing Transformed, His Quills Were Moving.)
Not even joking, I had a dream one time where the 9th dlc fighter in the game was shared with chao and a wisp, I should say that that would be a disappointing choice for a fighter, but to be honest, I’d rather have that than nothing
Thanks a lot JToonz! I know right, I'm very happy that he's in the game at all but that doesn't mean that we can't hope for better representation in the future
Man, you were spitting mad facts in this video, as I feel the same way as you do. As someone here who is both a fan of Sonic and Smash Bros, I am honestly baffled that his representation has not improved since his debut in Brawl. I am going to explain why in each of these categories from this video and other changes that should happen to make him represent his franchise even more: Sonic's animations: Ever since Smash 4, Sonic looks so lifeless. He does not have the anger and boredom facial expressions he had in Brawl, and the later games have replaced every instance when he frowns with more positive expressions, which is not a bad thing in itself. For example, his idle poses are not terrible, but the expressions are just so dull. I would want him to grow impatient during his foot-tapping idle pose and grin during his finger-wiggle idle pose. A new idle pose that I would like for him to have is to look at his wrist, as that has been a common thing he tends to do in the Classic Sonic games. Changes like this would make him noticeably more expressive compared to some of the other characters. Sonic's moveset: I know that Sonic was a last-minute addition to Brawl, as the way the smash team made his move set has several of his moves being in a ball for most of his attacks is understandable for that game. But his rushed move set has remained unchanged for almost three games now, as I do not know why they did not bother changing most of his attacks to resemble his games. The biggest offend here is that he has two spin dashes for his side-and-down specials, both of which have near-identical functionality. As for his regular attacks and aerials, Sakurai took nine of his moves that originated from Sonic the fighters, such as his Jab, Tilts, Forward smash, Neutral, Forward, Down air attacks, and his Down throw. Some of his moves are from that game were incorporated well into his move set, but his other moves, such as his Up tilt, Neutral air, and Forward air, should have been changed a long time ago, as they do not feel like Sonic too much and do not have much utility compared to his other moves from his games. His Up tilt is a reskin of Captain Falcon's Up smash. I feel like if Sakurai had played Sonic Battle, He would have taken moves such as the Sonic Updraft, Sonic Flare, and the Sonic Eagle and made it his Up tilt, Down smash, and Forward air, respectively. His side special could be the Somersault from the Sonic Advance games, and his down special would be the Spin dash, but with the move functioning like it did in Sonic 2. Other moves such as the Light Speed Dash, Bounce Bracelet, Insta-Shield, Humming Top, and Drop Dash would be great additions to Sonic's move set if he were to get a move set overhaul in the next Smash game. Stages: As for stages, Green Hill is a stage that can stay, as it is the most iconic zone in the Sonic series. But Windy Hill is not exactly an iconic stage, as it is just Green Hill with a Mario Galaxy gimmick. Sonic has an enormous number of iconic zones from his series. Chemical Plant, Casino Night, The Death Egg, City Escape, and Rooftop Run are stages that should have been in Smash in the first place. Heck, I would rather have Kingdom Valley or any stage from Sonic 06 over Windy Hill. Newcomers: It is criminal why Sonic has not had another rep in Smash, considering how he is the longest-running third-party character in the Smash series. I mean, seriously, Sonic's is his franchise's only fighter, while everyone else from his games has stayed demoted to consolation prizes (stage cameos, Trophies, Assist Trophies, Mii Costumes, and Spirits). Therefore, I feel like Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, Metal Sonic, and Dr. Egg man would be excellent choices for Smash. Tails would honestly be my choice for the next Sonic rep, as he is the Luigi of the Sonic universe. Alongside Luigi, he is the most iconic sidekick in gaming. Dr. Egg man would be another excellent choice for another Sonic rep as he is one of the most iconic video game villains in gaming alongside Bowser and Ganondorf. I could honestly take any Sonic character at this point as I would not mind if characters like Amy or Metal Sonic got in over the other four characters. My Conclusion: I typed this whole thing out because I felt like I needed to bring up some good points of my own, even though we should all agree on this verdict. First, sonic honestly does deserve better in Smash. Second, I will never stop reaching for the stars until Sonic gets another rep in Smash.
I'm pulling for Tails or Eggman but I would honestly be happy with anyone! If there's ever going to be a year for it we'll probably see someone added in 2021 since it's Sonic's 30th anniversary 👀
@@PowPowSmash I imagine, because of a certain leak I discovered, we might get Dr. Eggman and Metal Sonic in the same pack... The trailer leak's topic was rivals and arch-enemies. So, chances are we might have two of Sonic's greatest foes as fighters... P.s Shadow is pretty much in between good and evil, like Vegeta. So he might be a fighter soon. You never know.
I think Eggman is the mostly likely and would make the most sense over Tails, Shadow, and Metal, because Eggman has been there from the beginning do it would make the most sense.
The next two character slots have been leaked and they are either going to leak another fighting game character, or Lloyd. With the way the Smash Community is with Sonic now, I highly doubt that we will be getting another rep for Sonic.
Something I thought I should mention There’s nothing saying that Assist Trophy’s can’t become fighters, same with spirits, the only thing that had that confirmed was Mii Fighters I believe that it’s a very slim possibility that an assist trophy could get removed to add a new fighter, though I personally want Knuckles I believe that Eggman and Tails would get in first
Oh for sure, which is why I say the "assist trophies can't be playable fighters" rule is just something I believe until proven otherwise. I'd be down for Knuckles or Shadow to be playable but I'd personally rather have Tails or Eggman
I feel the same way I want changes to sonic but I hate asking more of sakurai the man works to hard. im just glad Sonics keeps coming back to smash The sonic axe kick from sonic battle/project would be sick af instead of his current forward air
Oh yeah I am extremely happy with the job Sakurai has done with Smash, but that doesn't mean I like EVERYTHING he's done The axe kick would be siiiiiiiiick
Shadow not being an Echo fighter is still baffling to me. In almost every main series game he's playable in, he's literally just Sonic with animations specific to him, give or take a few unique abilities depending on the game.
I'm glad there's at least one competitive Smash player who cares about the characters' portrayals as much as their functions as a fighter.
I've actually talked to other competitive Sonic players that feel the same way! The goal with my channel is to bridge the gap between casual and competitive to a certain extent :)
I know I'm not a competitive player, but yes: Sonic needs more representation and more creative moves
I love Sonic, I may not enjoy his moveset because it definitely could've been better but I still am happy Sonic is in Smash He's easily one of my fav characters.
Even in competive scenes Sonic is still lame, is mostly a hit n run character that people use to stall at matches.
Ikr
"Sonic's representation in smash represents his franchise...a missed opportunity"
Damn that one hit home
Same here, Sonic saga is just like México: It could be the *BEST* but has missed so much opportunities...
Anyway, i love both
It hurt me to record it ngl 😭
Why they just have Sonic do a Boost attack for his side special when you move the joystick while holding the b button, just change his forward air animation to the spin kick he does when he does a trick in Sonic Rush and make him launch himself at one of the players right before he finishes his FinalSmash. That way he can still has the same move set, it would represent his franchise more, Sega would get more money/credit in Smash and they would only need to do a little bit more work on Sonic.
Cloud got a change when he didn't need one, so why not a character who needs one like Sonic.
Everybody wins.
I'm gonna be honest, I think nintendo knows sonic's representation in smash is Bad, but they won't change it's moveset because it benefits them. Like, when people(that don't know nothing about Sonic) play as the character, because of the bad and uninspired moveset he has, they wouldn't want to play his games because they'll assume that they're just as Bad as it's moveset. It's like a marketing strategy. And I hate that!😞😩😡
@@SonicPlusUltra that would actually be a genius estrategy...
But nothing good to use as Sonic fans
In Smash 4 and Ultimate, Almost ALL of his voice lines are taken from generations which is why "Sonic Speed" and "Super Sonic Style" sound so awkward
Makes sense, idk why they didn't just have Roger Craig Smith record new lines for Smash 😔
@@PowPowSmash especially since Rodger is willing to give new voice lines, as seen from Sonic joining Puyo Puyo Tetris 2
@@PowPowSmash It's probably cheaper and easier for Sakurai to deal with.
Doesn't help that Sonic is uncared for in Japan.
@@PowPowSmash I heard that it might be because of his agency refusing to allow him to make new voice lines for Smash.
@@gamejitzu probably the same reason why mario uses the same lines he has since brawl
Fighter: Tails
Stage: Emerald Hill Zone
Fighter: Knuckles
Stage: Sky Sanctuary
Fighter: Shadow
Stage: Radical Highway
Fighter: Silver
Stage: Crisis City
Emerald Hill Zone would be nice for tails but it’s too close to green hill. I was thinking of Chemical Plant Zone. Sky Sanctuary, Radical Highway, and Crisis City are perfect for the others though. Crisis City is one of my favorites form Sonic 06. Also Wave Ocean. Why isn’t Eggman on the list?
@@puzzledhypnoshroom1004 some of us don't like eggman
death egg,lava reef,mystic cavewould be awesome
@@neofiresonic he’s definitely not my favorite either, Sonic, tails, and silver are. But Eggman is the closest for a second sonic rep.
Fighter: Eggman
Stage: Death egg
The sad thing is, even in his own games he deserves better.
✌🤟🤘👍👏👏👏
Fr tho
WAY BETTER
sonic frontiers is looking great, so i hope sonic's games increase their quality
Fr bro sonic derserves better
"Full of loveable characters... and Zavok"
I almost choked on my coffee, that was a good diss. And I too want my boi Sonic to be done justice in future installments, I just love him so much and he was a huge part of my teen years.
Thank you for appreciating my favorite joke in the video 🤣 ♥️
Same! My the end of my childhood would've been a lot worse without him so I will always share my love for the franchise with others :)
The love that I have for Sonic is also the same reason I want him changed also F*ck Zavok it's just worse Bowser
Zavok plays football
Sakurai: "I would like to add underappreciated villains."
SEGA: "Zavok?"
@@PowPowSmash : "Eww."
RadicalSoda: "At least it isn't Classic Sonic... again."
@@mastrsonic375
Zeena was the most interesting Zeti *simply because she flirted with Sonic.*
Of course, the others were old, depressed, hungry, crazy, and "totally not Bowser."
Sonic’s moveset not being a bunch of references to his games: mad
Sonic’s echo fighter not being Metal Sonic: *A N G R Y*
Metal makes more sense as an echo, but if the franchise can only get one other character playable and they HAVE to be an echo then I'd rather have Shadow
Eggman or chaos not being in smash: FURIOUS
@@PowPowSmash why is Shadow so overrated, I’m not even a fan of red and black combined. I like the color blue.
@@puzzledhypnoshroom1004 because he has cool powers and could be unique therefore not having Sonics shitty moveset
@@Step43099 fair enough, even though I like silver more
great video. Idk if Sonic’s moveset will ever be changed but giving it more specificity would be nice to see.
Also how did they miss out on putting the ultimate lifeform in Ultimate
Thanks a lot Nick! I'm not very optimistic that his moveset will be changed but I'm at least hoping that the franchise will get a second fighter by the end of Ultimate
I KNOW RIGHT? Literally everything was pointing to Shadow being playable and Sakurai just said nahhhhhh
Wasn't expecting you here lmao
Sonic has a huge amount of moves they're not even acknowledging such as Sonic Heal, Sonic Kick, Axe Kick, Sonic Up Draft, Gravity Control, Gravity Dive, Hail Storm, Sonic Wind, Speed Break, Time Break, Triangle Jump, Sonic Wind, Boost Mode, Sonic Boom, Homing Smash, Gun Drive, there's alot more than just Homing Attack, Boost, Air Boost, Slide, Stomp, Drift and only a couple of others.
@Devin S. I seriously hope oneday that changes, there's a monstrous amount of movesets and you'll be surprised SATSR actually has moves that help the game, Aegis Slider is a defensive ability and since Sonic has power over Fire, Wind and Darkness in this game, his Crests would probably really be handy in a new game, I seriously hope oneday the Flame of Judgement makes a return in a mainline game even though it drains lifeforce, heck you could have Sonic have this curse again and have a line showing he's weaker and on knees when he dies or loses as that's what happens in a cutscene around the last parts of SATSR, I know people hate SATSR but it has pretty dope concepts, I saw the trailer as a kid with the Flame on his chest and that's what was iconic for me as a kid, I've played and beaten SATSR twice with some emotional moments but got used to it, had to get rid of my recent copy not for controls but that my Wiimote's batteries drained so quick just to fill Darkspine Sonic's Soul Gauge and attack Alf-Layla-Wa-Layla's heart, hope oneday DS returns and doesn't have to have this problem.
@WildSangrita Having a move that consistently heal you is heavily unbalanced but I get your point
I literally would give ANYTHING for Tails to be added. He is my absolute favorite character, I hope he is added!
SAME. I wouldn't ask for another Smash character ever again
I want metal sonic or eggman
I agree!
@@ChaosSonic6683 Technically Minecraft is very popular, and it only gets one rep.
@marshlindsey2763 The reason Sephiroth works is because Final Fantasy Dissidia is an amazing fighting game, which makes transferring Cloud and Sephiroth so easy. Sonic the Fighters and Sonic Battle aren't on the same level as Dissidia, so transferring Sonic's friends wouldn't be as easy.
“Beloved characters and zavok”
This caught me off guard
He is overused Sonic's Bowser.
Still like his design but he is irrelevant.
He is so stereotypical which makes him lack any character that bowser would’ve had
Zavok fucking sucks
I'm the only that thinks that Zavok is a good villain
@@yucatancallejero Kinda Probably Maybe Yeah
To me, the biggest offense to Sonic in smash, is the removal of his iconic "you're too slow" line from Brawl... this combined with his ssb4 redesign to be closer to the one from colors, where his mouth is always put sideways in the most steriotypical cartoon manner, rather than being at least centered, actually made me dislike him in smash...
I know it is details, but sometimes, details and first impressions are everything...
Exaaactly, they went backwards with his in game representation for some reason :/ maybe things will change in smash 6
I can agree
Well it got replaced cuz Jason doesn’t do sonic anymore so yeah
redesign itself is just a detail, he always looked like that since 1999
@@JoJoboiWav
Even changing one detail, is a redesign... I do not recall his mouth being soo much steriotypically off-centered before Colors*
*Unleashed...
Since it's Sonic's 30th anniversary let's hope that we get some cool Sonic additions this year.
LET'S GO EGGMAN!
That's what I'm sayingggg, if there's ever going to be a year for Eggman or Tails to get in it's this one with Sonic's 30th anniversary!
Fingers crossed 🤞
It's going to be a HUGE disrespect if there's not a Second Sonic rep on his 30th Anniversary but there wasn't Doom Slayer at the Game awards on his Anniversary so I wouldn't be surprised just disappointed with Nintendo
YEAH ! most of the people that i asked if they would like to see him laughed at me
RESPECT FOR EGGMAN ! he is an awesome villain !
On one hand I wouldn't mind seeing eggman in smash as a second rep for sonic because sonic deserves it. But on the other hand (and this might sound pitiful) I really don't want him in smash because when it comes to sonic characters in general sonic and robotnik are literally the only two characters that get all the attention and praise while all of the other characters are being shunned due to how past games and current games have handled them. I'm sick and tired of all the focus being on just those two. I get it, they're the first two characters that kicked off the franchise with sonic 1, I grew up with sonic 1 but I also grew up with the other games that came after sonic 1. Like come on sonic and robotnik are not the only ones who are important to their own series.
@A. Smalls I'am in the Tails camp. He's an ironic player two character and deserves to be in the game alongside other player twos like luigi, diddy kong, and ken masters.
7:48 I thought I was the only person who felt this way. Outside of Sheik, I think everyone Pre-Brawl could use an overhaul.
I'm definitely going to make a video on it one day!
I think Fox, Pika, and Peach all have movesets that hold up today but not many other characters do lol
I feel the same way
however there are characters that I want things to stay the same like Mario Fair, DK fair and Dair and others I want changed
While no character is outright obsolete, they clearly look and feel like characters from a bygone era. A few moves from each could be retired and replaced with new moves and their overall presentation could be updated with more subtle references to their franchise.
I feel like Pikachu could use Iron Tail somewhere in his kit, but yeah those 3 have pretty solid movesets. Fighters like Luigi and Bowser have been getting new animations in recent games, but still don't really feel different enough
Pit got a COMPLETE overhaul, so you're welcome there.
When I found this video I was "finally someone is acknowledging the elephant in the room... no sonic characters"
Or as I say in the video "The talking anthropomorphic elephant in the room" ;)
@@PowPowSmash lol
@@MariaCastillo-pe1kt At least Sega still has more reps in Smash than Namco.
If Final Fantasy can finally get some great representation in Super Smash Bros than anything can be possible
EXACTLY. If a third party company as strict as Square Enix with FF can get a second rep then anything is possible
Epic Battle Fantasy:
Is soo probable as a TOUHOU char
And it doesn’t make sense that square Enid was the first company to get another full character and not an echo
@@mastrsonic375
1.) Capcom was the first to get another character who wasn’t an echo with Ryu.
2.) Why question FF finally getting the representation it most of all deserved?
@@PowPowSmash
Square Enix has been becoming less restrictive over the years. They fully featured Noctis in Tekken 7.
For SSBU they even allowed for multiple Heroes to be featured as characters, which is a huge deal since they had strict conditions with the main protagonist interacting with each other prior in their own crossovers
Powpow talking about Sonic and Smash in one video? This'll be good
I hope you enjoy the video!
@@PowPowSmash wait a sec, Sakurai is Sonic the fighters fan?! This guy is a disgrace! Seriously?! He thought that Sonic the fighters was better than Sonic battle?! This guys poor taste for Sonic games!
@@PowPowSmash i gave up on Sakurai as soon as you said he was a Sonic the fighters fan...😤🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
@@PowPowSmash wait a sec, he also got his moveset from 06?! I'm done playing smash. I'm done. I will never touch smash again! The only thing that might make me touch that game again is if they fix Sonic's moveset and add a Sonic rep! And give him a better stage than windy hill zone!
@@PowPowSmash wait a sec, Sakurai removed those taunts because it hurt some kids feelings?! WHAT THE HELL?!
Sonic: Has a big potential to have a great moveset
What the developers chose for his moveset: S P I N
And it was the same for 2 sequels
They had 4 years each time they did slowly remove spin dashes and add more
@@Lui_2013 The only move that ever changed was his dash attack
@@Right_Bumper and down smash
@@Lui_2013 The fact he has a different dash attack 3 times is insane
Next trailer:
Galeem is beating back the fighters with Master Hands, emphasis is placed on Sonic.
Missiles appear from behind the fighters and strike down a few Master Hands.
Suddenly, we hear, "Ho ho ho ho ho! Long time no see, Sonic the Hedgehog!" as E.G.G.M.A.N. starts playing.
Sonic, Mario, Shulk, Ganondorf, and Bowser look behind themselves and see the Egg-o-Matic on the cliffside.
Sonic says, "Eggman!" as the mad doctor reveals himself with a chuckle.
I NEED EGGMAN'S LAUGH AND E.G.G.M.A.N. IN SMASH SO BAD
I’VE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT
I honestly would not mind his current moveset if sonic was styling on his enemies like joker does
Mhmm, at least have him celebrate after landing a homing attack like he does in almost every game :(
Thats how I feel
Like have him flex and do a little pose after hitting the attack
Maybe after a punch he says some cheesy line
Just give the dude some personality like he does in his games if your not gonna make him a moveset
Like Come on Nintendo
Take my Money if Sonic gets Revamped
It's also confusing why he doesn't do it already.
@@PowPowSmash The reason Sephiroth works is because Final Fantasy Dissidia is an amazing fighting game, which makes transferring Cloud and Sephiroth so easy. Sonic the Fighters and Sonic Battle aren't on the same level as Dissidia, so transferring Sonic's friends wouldn't be as easy.
Nintendo: "yall want another SEGA character😏?"
Sonic fans: "YES PLEASE"
Nintendo: "Here's Bayonetta and Joker😏🖕🏾"
LOL it could be worse
@@PowPowSmash sonic has had a bad reputation for the past few years and it's not even his fault, it's certain people of the development team...I've came to accept that Sonic isn't getting a rival character into smash even though it's his 30th year. They're probably going to go with characters well least expected as DLC
Imagine if they added friggin Alex Kid. You know, the original SEGA mascot.
@@tanissans2817 I don't know to be sure...but I feel as if they are going for iconic mascots like they did for Megaman and street fighter...
I was just joking.
i didn't even know sonic had 2 stages, windy hill zone looks pretty much the same
Yeah I didn't even think about pointing out how similar it looks to Green Hill Zone but they're waaaaay too similar 💀
Windy hill is just Mario Galaxy Green Hill
Mastr Sonic funny, because lost world is basically sonic galaxy
@@NewSoupWiiHii you mean Mario Galaxy but with Sonic
Mastr Sonic no I mean super sonic galaxy
Here's an interesting idea: what if we get another Sonic character and Sonic gets some of his animations revise? Cloud got a new final smash, but it was only a cosmetic change. The same for Sonic. His quills get new improvements, his expression changes when he taunts and idles and things. His side b could be replaced with a Boost BUT IT WOULD ACT THE EXACT SAME. He charges it up and instead of spinning he boosts. It would be an interesting revision considering I don't think anyone would miss his old side B animation considering it's also his down B.
Sonic needs an overhaul in his moveset and if the next DLC character is a Sonic rep It would make Nintendo a lot more money if they revamped sonic at the same time they released his new rep
That’s actually a great idea!
Ngl, I had the same idea! If they can change Game & Watch's animation because of, well, the whole Native American thing and Steve because of sex- I mean game accuracy, then Sonic can get the same treatment with his animations. Like he poses whenever he hits a homing attack even though that may have only been in Generations. IDK if replacing the function of the side B with boost animations works because Sonic doesn't usually turn around mid boost like that, but it could be a loose kinda thing and the difference in animation hitbox could be par for the course on patch updates. Maybe even change it to a Super Peel-Out at this point, haha. In terms of his idles, I get his foot tapping just has him grin while doing it for some reason, like he's being a bit friendly sarcastic or passive-aggressive which I guess is fitting, but it doesn't look like how it does in his games. But IDK about his taunts and finger wagging; sure he "smiles a bit more" in Brawl's equivalent, but the simple smile he has now still resembles how the action looks in his games and especially Sonic 1's title screen and like technically even moreso. At any case, that they bothered to change up his teetering animation to look more like it does in the original game sprite compared to how it looks in Smash 4 really makes you wonder if the idles in how they look now were animations they were totally content with, like Sonic's friendlier foot tap was fine or something.
Also have the Boost function the exact same would be disappointing, I would rather wait for the next smash game then see that happen if Sonic is getting changed, he Needs to be changed and I'm not talking resins of a move, I'm talking a full overhaul in his moves
@@mastrsonic375 Maybe it works off a meter and temporarily replaces his existing side B whenever the meter isn't empty or something, that way it'd accompany the existing moveset without replacing anything.
Yeah Sonic is really the sore thumb of Ultimate, a game that gets so much right that it makes the shortcomings even more noticeable. I mean just taking a few minutes to think about, there's so much more you could do with Sonic. Even basic things like maybe his victory screen is him opening up an animal capsule or something. Just little things that could go a long way.
Funnily enough I actually like Lost World, sure the game has flaws but once you get good at it I think it's a fun game especially when you get a handle of spindash and parkour, it has its flaws but I'd rather play Lost World over Sonic Forces
Oh yeah Lost World is waaaaaaaay better than Forces gameplay wise, but they definitely are both lacking in the story department
@@PowPowSmash But Infinite is a way better character than Zavok anyway
Can we just talk about how much they did my boy Tails dirty? He gets absolutely no representation beyond a spirit. He's arguably Sonic's second-most important character, (Maybe third to Eggman,) yet Knuckles and Shadow each get assist trophies? Tails is effectively absent from this game, and that really sucks considering how important he is to Sonic's history.
Yeah Tails' only appearance is in the background of Green Hill Zone :/ they probably thought that it would be easier to make a simple moveset for Shadow and Knuckles as assist trophies that represented the characters properly
But who knows, maybe they're just saving Tails to be a playable character ;)
@@PowPowSmash Here's hoping! I'd be over the moon to see Tails playable, but considering how long we've waited and the lack of fan desire, I'm not really holding my breath
Still, a man can dream
Fun Fact: In Super Smash Bros. Melee, Tails was found to be in the game, He was supposed to be in Melee but Scrapped Him.
@@dcomicsxx Bruh
@@kashino55archive94 What?
Hear me out:
Chao Garden stage where chao play around in the background and have random evolution appearances every time you load the stage and they randomly fly onto the stage so they can get abused in the crossfire and die
This is it
The perfect stage
Hear me out. Don't hurt Chaos
Yeah, the Chao bystanders wouldn't be hazardous themselves, but hitting them too much makes Chaos (the character, not a plural of Chao) come out and stomp your face in, just like a stage hazard version of when you hit a Cucco too much (but picking them up and throwing them still targets the thrower with retribution instead of the target if it hits someone, or even if it doesn't hit anyone).
Part of me wishes Sonic was a Smash Ultimate DLC character, the internet would break and Sonic would actually have a good, gimmicky moveset and better represents in general.
But then again, if Sonic wasn’t in Smash until now, I wouldn’t have gotten to experience over half of the amazing brawl mods I played.
Yeah on one hand Sonic would have a way better moveset if he was added as Ult DLC but on the other hand we wouldn't have been able to play as him in Smash for the last 10+ years so not worth it imo
They didn’t even bother giving sonic new lines. The voice clips for his taunts and winning animations are taken from sonic generations. I don’t understand why not only does sonic team and sega constantly drop the ball with sonic, to the point where it almost feels like it’s on purpose. The part that sucks is smash bros went ahead and dropped the ball with sonic just like sonic team did! What the hell man...
City Escape with a Truck hazard could've been nice. Or Angel Island, with a scenery change after a time interval. After a minute, the beach jungle is set ablaze, then the master emerald floats down in the background and the island is healed and raises into the sky. Then the Final interval is the Death Egg falling onto the island, dropping the stage back to the ground/water.
Damn now I really want Angel Island to be a stage after reading this 😍
Dope and creative idea they should've added that
Honestly any stage works except Green Hill look alikes
It could work like the Classic stage
-The game is called Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
-Shadow is the Ultimate Life Form
-Still an assist trophy.
WTF, SAKURAI! YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AND YOU MISSED IT!
I keep forgetting that there’s not another Sonic character!? NO EGGMAN!!!??? NO TAILS!!!???
I KNOW IT'S CRAZY. I think they have a very good shot to have at least one of them be added before the end of fighter pass 2, but we'll have to wait and see!
too bad shadow and knuckles have an even lesser chance now.
Because Reason!?!?!?!?!?!?
The fact that there isn't a Second Sonic rep is very dumb
@@PowPowSmash maybe for a villain for sonic might be metal sonic cause metal sonic has the same abilitys
@@Rogue-Reaper117 Hpwever Eggman does make the most sense compared to the rest because Eggman was there from the beginning not Shadow, not Tails, Eggman also Smash needs more iconic villains
it deserves Sakurai playing more than just sonic 1 and sonic 06 alone
“Full of beloved characters and Zavok”
Nice
Sega won't stop making Zavok happen 💀
Ngl bowser would be a better Sonic villain than Zavok.
@@Sydney_Angelyt Bruh Zavok is literally a Bowser clone tho
@@expecos1346 Sega all but officially confirmed Zavok being a Bowser clone which is hilarious to me tbh!
@@expecos1346 Exactly That!!!
PowPow:theres can be a chance that another sonic character will be in smash :D
Sora:i'm bout to end this man's whole career
The second Sonic movie is going to debut Tails so maybe they’ll put him in Smash to co-relate with that.
God I would love that so much 😭♥️
God I'd actually breakdown and cry if that happened.
It'd be amazing. I just want my boy to get some love again.
Not to mention seeing Tails come through that Ring Portal in the post-credits scene felt like a pseudo-smash reveal! I went to see it at the movie theater the same day it came out and everyone was clamoring in excitement at the sight of Tails and the hint at a sequel. I know for a fact everyone would love Tails in Smash, Sonic’s trusted sidekick, he’s just as iconic as Luigi. Smash has always priortized partners, Luigi made it before Bowser, Falco made it before Wolf, Diddy made it before K. Rool but Sephiroth kinda breaks that trend, so who knows what will happen and Eggman gets in instead.
@@RineYFD Same!!!
@@brandonwilliams6119 I mean to be fair, I don't think anyone of the FFVII party members don't share the same role as Luigi, Tails, Falco, and Diddy.
Like yes, they are extremely iconic, but none of them are like the number two's to Cloud.
That itself is probably good though, as it shows that they are all each recognized equally.
Sonic has a beloved cast of characters
and zavok
I'm so glad that people are appreciating that joke
& Knuckles
Lmao
I'm really astonished Shadow, Knuckles or Tails aren't in smash, these are characters that are too iconic to not be in smash
EXACTLY. It makes you wonder what's going on behind the scenes to keep that from happening
@@PowPowSmash I know
Nintendo doesn't care about the sonic franchise they only like sonic and none of his other friends except maybe tails and (eggman) enemy it could also be because sonic isn't popular in Japan and Nintendo always trys to please its main demographic Japanese audiences first then the rest of the world.
I also don't think Nintendo is putting in sonic's friends in smash anytime soon Untill Sega makes them relevant and playable in the main sonic games again though eggman should really have appeared by now he's just as iconic as bowser though I really want to Crash bandicoot to appear in smash bros first as he was both huge in Japan and with Western audiences and the UK though it doesn't look like any of us are getting our wish granted fuck piranha plant by the way.
@@jam9852 Nintendo doesn't care about Sonic because it's not their franshise
Why not Eggman as well, he’s the most iconic.
Ah yes I remember my first time. It was with my uncle. He showed me some things that day. This is the first time I played the GameCube and it was glorious
Shout-outs to your uncle for showing you the important things in life 🙏🙏🙏
Had me in the first half not gonna lie.
😳
As much as I want Shadow in Smash, I honestly think that the Werehog could actually be made into an interesting moveset. It would work perfectly if Sega ever ported Unleashed to the Switch ;)
Yeah. They don't even need to make up moves for him, Unleashed alone has enough content to satisfy.
However, I'd prefer if Dr. Eggman was added in
If we get two or three more I see Tails, Eggman and Amy.
Tails could use guns, and gadgets. His final smash could be the X Tornado bashing in
Amy would use her hammer, and pull other weapons out of nowhere like she usually does
Eggman could use bots and mechs, like Orbot and Cubot and could also be riding that Orb he always is in, it could work like Bowser Junior.
There are a bunch of Sonic reps that O personally would consider like Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Eggman, Metal, Silver, The Werehog and more
But I would also Focus on other of smash’s most wanted characters like the Doom Slayer
@@Alex-oc1fu The reason Sephiroth works is because Final Fantasy Dissidia is an amazing fighting game, which makes transferring Cloud and Sephiroth so easy. Sonic the Fighters and Sonic Battle aren't on the same level as Dissidia, so transferring Sonic's friends wouldn't be as easy.
Okay, but here's the question
WHO THE HELL LIKES SONICS CURRENT MOVESET, SAKURAI?!
Ikr
Roger Craig Smith is actually growing on me for Sonic's voice. Despite how Forces was recived, he did at least master the voice acting for Sonic. Roger was at his best in Forces voice acting wise. Would have been nice getting new lines for Smash.
I'll die on the hill that Roger Craig Smith does a great job as Sonic but is given terrible scripts to work with. He does such a good job as Sonic on the Sonic Boom TV show
Sonic was actually really fairly represented in brawl, especially with the time they were given. He had a moveset taken from Sonic the fighters, Green Hill Zone was a no brainer stage for him, he had a great trophy collection, and he had Shadow as an assist trophy. Every character in brawl feels equal in terms of abilities and representation. (let's pretend Meta Knight doesn't exist.)
It's almost as if Sonic lost his quality in Smash alongside losing his quality in his own games.
Sincerely, a brawl lover.
I 100% agree here. Believe it or not, I’ve never played smash 4 or ultimate but religiously still play brawl today. A big reason why is because sonic is my main and he looks so watered down them. In brawl, he was perfect.
@@ill_will23 The reason Sonic is more happy now is to match his Japanese box art from the classic games. Sonic's attitude that we know him for was Sega's of America's idea. So maybe Sega of Japan was in control when Sonic got designed in Smash 4?????
This video deserves more views. Definitely drove the point home. Here's hoping Eggman or Tails get added this year for his 30th anniversary 🤞
Sonic should be respected, deserved better in super smash bros. Characters like Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, Shadow should be added.
It’s sort of an honor having my birthday on the exact same date that sonic was put in brawl (oct 6 2007)
THAT'S SICK I'M SO JEALOUS
Worst birthday ever
@@da_kracken8879 how?
@@PowPowSmash Same!!!
I can see eggman’s reveal trailer.
Sonic is running through the death egg and he beats up robs with eggman logos on them, then eggman busts through a wall with a rock remix of his boss theme from sonic 1, with the splash text saying, “Eggman scrambles the competition!”
His final smash would be a badnik being shot forward and a cutscene with robots beating up the fighter caught, until they’re shot by the ARK
I'm personally hoping they play "E.G.G.M.A.N" in this trailer but this sounds really dope too!
I’ve COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT
Also it would make sense if the other Heroes and villains were there because fan service:)
Lets just hope Nintendo is waiting for sonics 30th anniversary.
THIS IS SONIC'S YEAR ❤️
Let hope we get a good game this time
Hope
@@mastrsonic375 yep hope
Among all the things people want for the Sonic frnachise in Smash; I want to see more variety in the music tracks. My hopes is that we get more level themes but more importantly, we get character theme songs.
This is kinda why I'd want to see Sonic introduced in the newer games. Either as a DLC in Smash 4 or a newcomer in Ultimate, that way he could've gotten more love
What I genuinely don't get is that Sonic is an extremely well-known franchise (for better or for worse), and was treated as a direct rival to Mario for a _long_ time... I really don't get why there's so little representation for the franchise.
Maybe it has something to do with SEGA's weird insistence on not making side characters playable in more recent games, but I dunno how likely that is.
Excellent video, hope this channel continues to grow
Thank you so much! I really feel like I've found my groove with the Smash content lately :)
Everyone : Eggman is a Perfect fit for Smash!
Me : *Hopping Metal makes it in*
finally, someone else who wants Metal in Smash.
I think that Metal would make a great echo fighter but Eggman would have a more interesting moveset as a full fledged fighter
@@PowPowSmash Sadly, he would be a heavy weight, most likely. And heavy weights in Smash as we know are combo food.
Where amy
@@demonicsuccubus5890 *Laughs in Snake*
I want either Tails or Eggman in Smash.
TAILS PLEASE 😭♥️
@@PowPowSmash Agreed
@@SD-VThe_LovablePsycho0100 Same!!!
I want both, but that's not exactly how the DLC rollout works. Even if they do announce two characters in the same event, it's not going to be two characters from the same franchise.
@@Shalakor Ikr, That's Just Sad, At Least One Could Still Be In The Game!!!
Shadows Moveset:
For his neutral B, he wields a gun.
Or use Chaos Spears like guns, he does do it like this in the fight against Devil Doom but that's as his Super form which can also fire Chaos Spears like a Mortar in his All Star move in Sega & All Stars Racing but this form bestows him enhanced abilities so probably not but there is the way he uses them in Sonic Chronicles:The Dark Brotherhood and the Chaos Lance via Chaos Boost in Sonic 06 making it also a possiblity.
"Sonic deserves better in Smash bros"
WOW WHAT A THOUGHT
WHY HAVNT I THINK ABOUT THAT!
Ok for real this
No matter how much we scream
Nothing will happen
Intill the new smash game is announced
Sonic absolutely has to have more added. Not just a fighter imo, more music from different games would be nice as well. I think that Eggman would be the perfect choice, since he is an iconic villain and if Sephiroth can be added, I need my Robotnik in the game too.
Also I'm a Jr main and I think he's really fun :(
Edit: I've been thinking about this a lot: If Sakurai is so worried about "alienating" characters, why not just add Classic Sonic in smash 6 and give him Sonic's old moveset? I mean, CS seems to be an official Sega character now lmao.
You're brave for maining Jr, I honestly just harbor a lot of resentment for his moveset being stuck to the clown car and not giving him his paintbrush outside of his final smash :(
'That everyone experiences'
-class of 2020 with graduation
Awkward...
Don’t remind me
@@pugman9672 I had a friend who graduated early so she never even got a single prom (considered sophomore in her 2nd of 3 years but senior in 3rd year, 2020)
Next time I see you, I got to explain to you why I think Sonic’s special moves moveset actually kinda works fine in my opinion but I totally understand why Sonic mains and fans want a new moveset. But ya, lack of expressions and not having a second character suck. And ya you’re right...Windy Hill Zone...why... lol!
Yeah they definitely work just fine as a smash moveset now that spindash and spincharge have very different properties but the moveset is just very bland overall. But at least he's in the game and fun to play as is all I can really ask for at the end of the day!
I've recently just discovered how Spin Dash can act like a feint + counter in a juggle situation, which is actually pretty neat. Although the lack of expressions is absolutely a huge problem, it would be cool to have his expressions from Brawl back, the eyebrow motions definitely sold his attitude.
@@ffiiggyy yeah i use spindash primarily to a.) whiff punish since he slightly moves backwards when he starts charging the move b.) to catch people landing with aerials since he has invincibility frames on the hop of his up b or c.) to get out of disadvantage since spindash acts as a third jump for sonic since he slightly moves up first when using it in the air
I definitely miss his Brawl expressions though, idk why they didn't carry those over and have Roger Craig Smith record "Your too slow" and "C'mon step it up" since he's the new voice actor :(
@@PowPowSmash he says you're too slow in japanese
"Working fine" and being accurate are different things. It also doesn't stop it from being boring
Snake: Explosives
Megaman: Robot Master techniques
Bayonetta: Witch time
Cloud: Limit
Joker: Arsene
Hero: RNG
Banjo: Wonderwing
Steve: Crafting
Sonic: *ball*
God this hurt to read LOL
Pac-Man: Fruits, Hydrants and Namco references
Words can't describe how PISSED I was, when they revealed Shadow was stuck as an Assist Trophy, even though Knuckles could've easily replaced him.
I think the biggest spit in the face for that reveal
They wait until the *final* direct to show it
Sonic is the best smash bros character
6:08 "Do you know anyone who likes sonic lost world in 2021?"
Yes, me.
Same.
I knew there would at least be one LOL
I honestly really want to like that game because it has a lot going for it, but between the bad writing, the introduction of the deadly six, and the level design getting worse as the game goes on I just can't :(
The first couple worlds were an absolute blast though!
@PowPow also am I the only one who thinks Zavok it's just a wasted Character because QUITE LITERALLY it's just Bowser with a paint job and new design and I'm serious
Both can grow Giant
both breath Fire
Both have Spikey accessories
Etc.
@@mastrsonic375 Nope, nobody likes Zavok.
@@PowPowSmash More of a fan of the 3DS version than the Wii U version myself, not sure if that's the version you played but it sounds like it (although, I guess that criticism can be applied to both) but I can't really blame people for not liking it. It truly does have a lot of issues that bring it down and I will forever think Sonic Team was really dumb for introducing a new and fun looking mechanic in the form of parkour whilst not only botching the execution but also making a game that is 90% not even designed around it just due to the setting.
It's a game that had a lot of potential but was pretty much wasted in favor of trying to get in more with the nintendo crowd.
If they can change cloud's final smash they can change sonic's moveset
Ikr!!!
Tails in smash > Shadow in Smash
i'm sorry but.........
I feel as if Tails would make a great character addition. Especially since there's a lot of duo partners in smash already.
Sonic needs his buddy
Tails is definitely my first choice for a second Sonic rep! I'd be happy with Eggman too though
@@PowPowSmash I wasn't allowed to play video games when I was a kid, so I had to play Super Smash Flash 2 on the computer, and I remember Tails being a part of that roster
I agree, shadow doesn't seem that likely so far anyways due to his assist trophy, plus there is already a move set in super smash flash 2, I know it's not official but I hope it's at least like that if he gets added
Eggman>Tails and Shadow
@@mastrsonic375 thank you, I would like tails more but Eggman would get in over tails.
As a Sonic fan I agree that he deserves better...in general. Let's hope that his 30th Anniversary really gives Sonic what he deserves
Agreed, hopefully Sonic gets better in and outside of Smash!
@@PowPowSmash Let's Hope, He Really Deserves It!!!
@@ZackMaster98 I feel like if Sonic became stronger he could become overpowered. He's already lightweight to balance out his speed. So what more can Sonic sacrifice to became stronger?????
Just imagine it.
The classic white smash emblem appears, zooming through to the video. It’s Snake, ZS Samus and Mega Man travelling through some strange, metal area, Similar to Shadow Moses Island.
Suddenly, sirens start blaring out.
The three angle their heads upwards, as a mechanism makes a platform ascend right in front of them. Then you hear his voice. And the boss music comes in clutch. Death Egg Robot.
“Get a load of this!”
*Dr. Eggman skewers the competition!*
YES PLEASE
Brawl: Half of Sonic’s move sets are literally Spin Dash
Smash 4: Only move that changed was his down smash and half of Sonic’s move sets are Spin Dash
Ultimate: dash attack changed to a lunge kick, but still has half of his move sets as Spin Dash
Moral of the story, Sakurai loves Spin Dash
Slowly but surely they're trying to make his moveset more interesting at the very least lol. His dash attack is much better in Ultimate at least from a utility standpoint (don't think it's a game reference at all)
Or Nintendo hates Sonic
As someone who played Sonic since I was little I have to agree that Sonic represents SEGA LoL! I subbed! Quality is super high so I can’t wait for more videos!😉
It hurts but it's true LOL. Thank you so much King Kilye! Glad you enjoyed the video :)
The reason that a franchise that only has two games and was only revived after 10,000,000 years has more characters than one of the most iconic game franchise in the world is because of Sakurai bias.
This is a whole war crime, especially considering last I checked mario and the gang have only ever held the Olympics with Sonic. At this point Sonic feels like it's close thing to a third party game being a main Nintendo game, yet some of these games I've never heard of or played got several characters, like Earthbound or Fire Emblem, etc
I don’t know whether chaos could be the sonic villain representative, but I just like the idea of perfect chaos being his final smash
This video is astounding, your channel is criminally underrated! Keep up the great work
Thanks a lot man! It took me a while to figure out my format and to just focus on Smash so I'm hoping to start building more momentum this year ☺️
@@PowPowSmash Honestly I thought you would at least have 20k subs, but you haven't gotten up to 2k yet! I'm pretty sure you're becoming the next clockwork.
Alright, here me out, if in smash 6 they add Black Shadow from F-Zero, he has Ganondorf's moveset (his old moveset without the sword I guess, basically a Captain Falcon Echo) and then give Ganondorf a completely new moveset, that way that playstyle is still there, just on another character, and Ganondorf can get the treatment, representation, and moveset he deserves 👀
Sonic deserved more characters over Fire Emblem.
You're the first person I've seen who's suggested adding the boast to his moveset, and I love it
You know the guy running at light speed and still getting caught by galem. His games have him outrjnning black holes and running faster than his "light speed dash" (light speed dash allows light speed travel.)
_"How does Sonic not have another playable character in Smash yet?"_
Because that would be a huge waste of money?
And yes, Sephiroth was a huge waste of money.
I think it's smarter to focus on 3rd party series without representation rather than double down on the ones already in smash. The only exceptions are echoes since they don't take up many resources. If nintendo could get another sega character, then it should be somebody like Aiai or Gilius Thunderhead. That way they can brag about having even more series in smash. That's just my opinion though
If they release another sonic character in Ultimate, I hope it’s Metal Sonic
They didn’t even have to change his voice clips and animations but they did
Ehh, with Roger Craig Smith becoming Sonic's voice actor it made snese to change the voice clips but they should've just had him rerecord "You're too slow" and "C'mon step it up"
@@PowPowSmash Aparently, he didn't wanted to do the job
in an alternate timeline Sonic was a DLC character with better representation
It was a different time, it was a better time
I want Sonic to be revamp in smash or at least SOMETHING COME ON NINTENDO
I'm happy to see someone who cares about Sonic in Smash Bros. at all! I'm on an eSports team at my school and I'm the only one who EVER touches the blue blurr. It's too bad Eggman didn't get in like we both hoped. Love your content and keep being great!
If eggman gets into smash the I would love for his stage to be eggman land
Eggamn Land only appear in one game the Death Egg would make more sense
@@mastrsonic375 yeah but it’s a really iconic part of the series (with it being the hardest level) and its a part of Eggmans end goal
Eggmanland would easily be my second choice as Eggman's stage
IMAGINE GETTING THE EGGMANLAND THEME IN SMASH SKKDMSKK
@@PowPowSmash Crimson Carnival would be sick to hear with it transition from the Day version to the Night version
@@thatbluegamet Fair point but still
Honestly, I always have hope Eggman would someday come to Smash.
Mostly because I think it has potential for a new story mode as DLC with Eggman trying to do something EVIL and it blowing up in his face lol.
They have so many villains in the game now and with Eggman they could make a SICK story mode
I think it's more likely now than it ever has been
I think a cool idea for a DLC story mode would be if after Sora was added to Smash Bros. Ultimate, the main story could start with him because he was the most requested character for Smash Bros., so it’d be pretty fitting, and the story itself would also fit with something you’d see in an actual Kingdom Hearts game, because of the numerous Disney worlds he comes across in his games, and Smash itself is also a crossover as well, also all of the good characters turn into heartless versions of themselves that Sora has to fight, plus the enemies you’d typically fight in Brawls Subspace Emissary have always given me the vibes of enemies you’d expect to already see in a Kingdom Hearts game because of how weird they look, so it would actually be pretty fitting, and after Sora defeats the heartless versions of the good characters, they return to the good side and become an optional playable character in the story.
Also Sora would encounter Mario, Sonic, Link and Kirby as the first mission, and they would join Sora but also have their own separate missions here and there, and they would travel to all of the many different worlds based on each character that’s in Smash Ultimate, and there would also be numerous unique enemies and bosses.
The main threats to the story are the 4 most iconic video game villains of all time, Bowser, Dr. Eggman (that’s if he was added to the game btw, I include Shadow as well as far as playable characters go but Shadow would be a good character in the story btw) also Ganondorf and finally Sephiroth as the leader of the big bad 4, and villains like King K. Rool, Ridley, Wolf, King Dedede, Wario, and Kazuya would all be working under the main big 4 to see what they can do to make things difficult for the good characters in the various worlds, and the main big bad 4 villains would be doing what they can to make things more difficult as well.
After going through all the worlds, gaining all of the good characters, and everything in between, and defeating all the bad characters and finally beating Sephiroth as the final boss as far as playable characters go and Cloud would also be with you in that fight, an even bigger threat comes, akin to something like Galeem, Darkhon or Tabuu, and every character including the villains decide to put aside all of their differences and team up to destroy this even bigger new threat, and afterwards that would be pretty much the end of the story, but after defeating the final boss, we’d get a cool shot of all the characters standing together watching a sunset, and we’d also see all of the main heroes with their respective villains standing next to each other to show that they each respect each other and after showing all of the characters, that would be the end, and there would be numerous great cutscenes just like Brawl but improved in various ways, all of this would be my vision for a DLC story mode with all the characters included in the story even the DLC characters.
I would love eggman in smash, add to that list of villains and sonic representation, give us a death egg stage and more sonic music and that will guarantee good dlc sales
"Full of loveable characters... and Zavok"
Be very careful what you wish for.................
I am going to unplug my controller if Zavok gets in Smash
Okay, I'm starting to get tired with the idea of Shadow as eco fighter. Shadow have potential to be a character very different to Sonic, yes, probably gonna have some moves like the spindash but that doesn't count. Even in a fan game called Super Smash Brothers Crusade his move set is completely different to Sonic, except his down B but you get the idea
Honestly the ONLY CHARACTER WHO SHOULD be Sonic’s echo is Classic Sonic
If Dr. Mario can get in as a different Character then Classic can be an Echo but I would add him as a Sonic echo last after other Sonic reps
Imagine if Eggman got in the game and came with an updated moveset for Sonic
I mean if cloud can get an altered final smash
Why can't sonic get a new side B at least
@@Silent_Mochi IKR
I would be so happy but.....
I highly doubt that will happen
Yeah Sakurai, The people who want Sonic's Moveset to be Changed are less important than the people want Sonic's moves to be the same, because everyone doesn't hate the fact that Sonic's Camps and if not the fact that Smash games take way longer when Sonic is on the battlefield, absolutely not.
I hate this decision because Hardly anyone plays Sonic anyway because of how the Character is develop whether it be Casual or Competitive everyone can agree that Sonic needs an overhaul in his Moveset also if non-sonic fans are complaining about his moves that should be enough to change it.
It's honestly stupid how much diservice Sonic have received No second character, Two stages which are pretty much the exact same, two assist trophies who you waited to reveal last second to disconfirm in the game, and the worst part is that it feels like Every other Third party in the roster feels better represented to their series then Sonic
Also before you reply the First part was sarcasm.
4:55 I think he could use something similar to his mech from Sonic Fighters. Or some kind of exoskeleton.
There's a lot they could do with Eggman, so they'll come up with something :)
Imagine Eggman goes on the Egg Mobile, but it creates different mechas and robots while he's fighting.
So who's gonna tell him....hedgehog quills don't flow. They're prickly and bristle.
Yes real hedghogs' quills don't move but Sonic's usually do in his own games
So who’s gonna tell Sinister Sundown That Sonic’s Quills DO move and is not based on a normal bland hedgehog. (Example: Sonic And All-Stars Racing Transformed, His Quills Were Moving.)
I guess those aren't quills then, because quills aren't soft. I'll let it slide only because sonic is blue and runs faster than the speed of sound
I just hope ya'll realize this is from the era where Sega literally did not care about ANYTHING OR ANYONE but Sonic so don't blame Nintendo
Dr.eggman is our last hope at this point
Not even joking, I had a dream one time where the 9th dlc fighter in the game was shared with chao and a wisp, I should say that that would be a disappointing choice for a fighter, but to be honest, I’d rather have that than nothing
LMAO that's a wild dream
I'd take it tbh
Questionable Rep but still a rep
Good video man! Wish they would do more justice for Sonic in smash bros, but we can only dream. 😔
Thanks a lot JToonz! I know right, I'm very happy that he's in the game at all but that doesn't mean that we can't hope for better representation in the future
What are you talking about, Eggman in smash? Nah, its gonna be Zavok.
Pls god no
Man, you were spitting mad facts in this video, as I feel the same way as you do. As someone here who is both a fan of Sonic and Smash Bros, I am honestly baffled that his representation has not improved since his debut in Brawl. I am going to explain why in each of these categories from this video and other changes that should happen to make him represent his franchise even more:
Sonic's animations:
Ever since Smash 4, Sonic looks so lifeless. He does not have the anger and boredom facial expressions he had in Brawl, and the later games have replaced every instance when he frowns with more positive expressions, which is not a bad thing in itself. For example, his idle poses are not terrible, but the expressions are just so dull. I would want him to grow impatient during his foot-tapping idle pose and grin during his finger-wiggle idle pose. A new idle pose that I would like for him to have is to look at his wrist, as that has been a common thing he tends to do in the Classic Sonic games. Changes like this would make him noticeably more expressive compared to some of the other characters.
Sonic's moveset:
I know that Sonic was a last-minute addition to Brawl, as the way the smash team made his move set has several of his moves being in a ball for most of his attacks is understandable for that game. But his rushed move set has remained unchanged for almost three games now, as I do not know why they did not bother changing most of his attacks to resemble his games. The biggest offend here is that he has two spin dashes for his side-and-down specials, both of which have near-identical functionality. As for his regular attacks and aerials, Sakurai took nine of his moves that originated from Sonic the fighters, such as his Jab, Tilts, Forward smash, Neutral, Forward, Down air attacks, and his Down throw. Some of his moves are from that game were incorporated well into his move set, but his other moves, such as his Up tilt, Neutral air, and Forward air, should have been changed a long time ago, as they do not feel like Sonic too much and do not have much utility compared to his other moves from his games. His Up tilt is a reskin of Captain Falcon's Up smash. I feel like if Sakurai had played Sonic Battle, He would have taken moves such as the Sonic Updraft, Sonic Flare, and the Sonic Eagle and made it his Up tilt, Down smash, and Forward air, respectively. His side special could be the Somersault from the Sonic Advance games, and his down special would be the Spin dash, but with the move functioning like it did in Sonic 2. Other moves such as the Light Speed Dash, Bounce Bracelet, Insta-Shield, Humming Top, and Drop Dash would be great additions to Sonic's move set if he were to get a move set overhaul in the next Smash game.
Stages:
As for stages, Green Hill is a stage that can stay, as it is the most iconic zone in the Sonic series. But Windy Hill is not exactly an iconic stage, as it is just Green Hill with a Mario Galaxy gimmick. Sonic has an enormous number of iconic zones from his series. Chemical Plant, Casino Night, The Death Egg, City Escape, and Rooftop Run are stages that should have been in Smash in the first place. Heck, I would rather have Kingdom Valley or any stage from Sonic 06 over Windy Hill.
Newcomers:
It is criminal why Sonic has not had another rep in Smash, considering how he is the longest-running third-party character in the Smash series. I mean, seriously, Sonic's is his franchise's only fighter, while everyone else from his games has stayed demoted to consolation prizes (stage cameos, Trophies, Assist Trophies, Mii Costumes, and Spirits). Therefore, I feel like Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, Metal Sonic, and Dr. Egg man would be excellent choices for Smash.
Tails would honestly be my choice for the next Sonic rep, as he is the Luigi of the Sonic universe. Alongside Luigi, he is the most iconic sidekick in gaming. Dr. Egg man would be another excellent choice for another Sonic rep as he is one of the most iconic video game villains in gaming alongside Bowser and Ganondorf. I could honestly take any Sonic character at this point as I would not mind if characters like Amy or Metal Sonic got in over the other four characters.
My Conclusion:
I typed this whole thing out because I felt like I needed to bring up some good points of my own, even though we should all agree on this verdict. First, sonic honestly does deserve better in Smash. Second, I will never stop reaching for the stars until Sonic gets another rep in Smash.
I agree exactly also sky sanctuary could’ve been a stage
Sonic can't be alone any longer!
We need another Sonic rep in Smash Ultimate. My personal picks: Tails, Metal Sonic, Dr. Eggman and Shadow.
I'm pulling for Tails or Eggman but I would honestly be happy with anyone! If there's ever going to be a year for it we'll probably see someone added in 2021 since it's Sonic's 30th anniversary 👀
@@PowPowSmash I imagine, because of a certain leak I discovered, we might get Dr. Eggman and Metal Sonic in the same pack... The trailer leak's topic was rivals and arch-enemies. So, chances are we might have two of Sonic's greatest foes as fighters...
P.s Shadow is pretty much in between good and evil, like Vegeta. So he might be a fighter soon. You never know.
I think Eggman is the mostly likely and would make the most sense over Tails, Shadow, and Metal, because Eggman has been there from the beginning do it would make the most sense.
@@mastrsonic375 Perhaps. I just think it would be amaze-balls for Dr. Eggman and Metal Sonic to be in the same Challenger Pack.
The next two character slots have been leaked and they are either going to leak another fighting game character, or Lloyd. With the way the Smash Community is with Sonic now, I highly doubt that we will be getting another rep for Sonic.
Something I thought I should mention
There’s nothing saying that Assist Trophy’s can’t become fighters, same with spirits, the only thing that had that confirmed was Mii Fighters
I believe that it’s a very slim possibility that an assist trophy could get removed to add a new fighter, though I personally want Knuckles I believe that Eggman and Tails would get in first
Oh for sure, which is why I say the "assist trophies can't be playable fighters" rule is just something I believe until proven otherwise. I'd be down for Knuckles or Shadow to be playable but I'd personally rather have Tails or Eggman
People saying that assist trophies can’t become fighter are one of those rules that aren’t true but it gets into the back of your head
I feel the same way I want changes to sonic but I hate asking more of sakurai the man works to hard. im just glad Sonics keeps coming back to smash
The sonic axe kick from sonic battle/project would be sick af instead of his current forward air
Oh yeah I am extremely happy with the job Sakurai has done with Smash, but that doesn't mean I like EVERYTHING he's done
The axe kick would be siiiiiiiiick
Shadow begs to differ. He is the reason Sonic is like that in the thumbnail.
#ShadowForSmash
Ayyyy, someone noticed where the thumbnail render came from :)
@@PowPowSmash I Did it Too, I Fucking Love That Game!!!
Shadow not being an Echo fighter is still baffling to me. In almost every main series game he's playable in, he's literally just Sonic with animations specific to him, give or take a few unique abilities depending on the game.