How To: Espresso Tampers Distributors Levelers
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Learn about tamping tools and techniques for espresso: levers, distributors, tampers, calibrated tampers and more. We'll cover precision tools and filter baskets including Baristapro Nanotech. Also The Jack Leveler, Bravo tools and more.
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"Let me just get a hit of my americano", Mark says as he shakes through each product. 🤣Love that
Cris lol! Yep had a few coffees☕️
Man, you gotta watch your heart! I'd love to watch a lot more videos in the future!😁👍
@@Skiontes i think mark had either overdose or perhaps underdose. Man, a really proof that this is a new kind of legal drug. Hahaha and we all addicted to it.
Gladful to see Marc recommending our Brazilian product. Gilberto, the guy who developed this products really love the coffee comunity, his product really deserved to be showed here!
Gabriel Marques Thanks for the comment. It’s an awesome product! Highly recommended for those who want the best!!!
Marc
I don't need the informative part of watching this video. I just love to listening and watching Marc.
Wow, thanks!
Marc
Love when you posts new videos. I've got the Jack leveler and it's definitely a must to get precise pucks and helps a lot with channeling
Hi vik, Glad you like them and thanks for sharing your experience with The Jack. It does make a difference!
Marc
Nice presentation again Marc.I use both tampers and always get a excellent result. Love the Joe bean!..
Hi JL, Great to hear from you! The Joe Bean is cool!
Marc
Fantastic video Marc, great to get info like that from an expert like yourself.
Kind regards from Scotland 🏴
Johnny
Thanks Johnny!
Marc
so great to see you back!!!! nothing beats the jack I had you all order for me with the $$$$ bills on it
Hi Chris, Thanks for the comment. Thanks for the feedback on The Jack! - I Jack daily! :)
Marc
Another extremely informative tutorial done by Mark. Thanks for the education.
Hey John, you're welcome and thanks a whole latte for the kind comment!
Marc
I find it amazing how gadgety making espresso can be. Too many gadgets
Yes lots of tools.
This guy is great to listening to!! And very informative. 15 minutes seemed like 5, awesome!
Hi AD, Thanks for the kind comment!
Marc
I like that he said, "let me get a hit of my Americano" 👌💯
Hi Sergio, Lol, gotta stay caffeinated!
Marc
Man, you are caffeinated!!!! Thanks for the video.
Hi BH, You a re welcome for the video. Yep, as always had a bunch of coffees, espressos and Americanos before this!
Marc
Great informative and enjoyable video, keep up such a great job on these very informative videos Marc
Hi su, Thanks for the comment - will do!
Marc
Love the levelers!
Hi j, Thanks for the comment. Me too - using a tamper has become rare for me!
Marc
Marc! you are my favorite espresso connoisseur to watch! You have taught me so much, for this a thank you! Keep doing what you do!!
Hi Tate, Wow - thanks for the kind comment. It's truly appreciated! I will keep doing what I love to do!!!
Marc
Great information as ever!
Hi S WB, Thanks for the comment - glad you enjoyed!
Marc
Beautiful 👍👍 great content as always WLL well done and thanks 🙏
Hi TCP, You are welcome and thank you for the comment!
Marc
Nice video, really wanting to get myself a more precise basket, distribution tool and tamper but feel like I should wait until I upgrade my espresso machine as the basket size will likely change (currently have the Barista Express which I believe is 54mm).
Niche Zero grinder upgrade ordered first, next will be the espresso machine
This is not a criticism of Whole Latte Love or of Marc but while watching this video this thought slapped me across the face. Even as a coffee hobbyists and enthusiasts I have to question the commercialism of making a simple cup of coffee.
Hi George, Thanks for the comment. Like many hobbies a bunch of accessories out there to go to the next level.
Marc
Good job Mark.
Hi JB, thanks!
Marc
Very enlightening. Thank you.
You're very welcome!
Marc
I have bravo products and i love it !
Hi m, Thanks for the comment sharing the love!
Marc
Great video 😊
👍
There's no way Mark from Whole Lotta Love wasn't formally a DJ. . . just from his voice. Classic.
Hahaha close! Voice over artist for TV. Heavily influenced by top 40 DJs in the late 70s
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I thought so. I was on the margins of the radio world in the 80's with KDKB in Phoenix. So I recognized the tone. Good work.
Thanks for the informative video, Marc! My problem is finding a distribution tool for the 57mm basket of my Ascaso. Wish I'd gone for a 58mm machine, makes life a lot easier. Might have to 3d print a 57mm one and see how that works out :)
What ascaso machine is 57? I've been eyeing the dream PID and it says 58 but tolerances are a thing
@@fuzzylilpeach6591 I have the Uno-4 which is 57mm. The Basic, Dream and Uno are all 57mm. However it looks like the Dream PID is 58mm so I think you're in the clear
Hi James, Thanks for the question. Unfortunately, I do not have a Ascaso w/57mm basket. But if it's any smaller than 58.6mm true measurement precision 58mm distributors w/true size of ~58.4 will not work well.
Marc
Molto bravo Marco
Ciao TBF, grazie per il commento! Marc
Hi TBF, Thanks for the comment! Marc
I read the reason oem baskets have the upper indentation is to help the spring in the pf to clamp the basket. It doesn't affect the dosing or output unless you're over dosing the basket.
Hi George, Thanks for the comment. I think some baskets have that upper ridge as a fill marking after tamping. I don't think it does much as far as basket retention - but maybe. I've never had a precision basket without the ridge pop out when knocking. A lot of OEM baskets have a taper to the side wall as it reaches the bottom. I prefer straight wall baskets with precision cut holes which reach farther toward the basket wall.
Marc
Thanks for the informative videos! Are there guidelines for how deep to set a leveler? Or is it like a lot of espresso stuff, where you just get a feel for it? Like you mentioned leveler marks in the Jack video, does the set depth help prevent that? Thanks!
Hi Rich, Thanks for the comment and question! For depth, go as deep as you can without leaving marks in the coffee surface. I leaving marks, back off on depth a notch or three and spin again until no marks and surface is smooth. Also, you're set too deep if the the leveler does not make contact with rim of filter basket. Can test for enough compression of puck by knocking out dry. You're good if it comes out in basically one piece. Hope that helps!
Marc
The puck broke because you were shaking it 😅 great video. Good information
Yes! Thank you!
Hello Marc, Thanks for sharing the knowledge and info with respect to Tampers and Distributors & after watch your video I have ended up knowing that Rancilio Baskets doesn't accomodate all Distribution Tools so I wana know if OCD V3 will fit perfectly in my recently ordered Rancilio Silvia Pro or will it creat a problem with a Basket? and I will have to choose another Basket..?
Hi AV, You are welcome! Unfortunately I do not have an OCD on hand to check the fit. But like you, I do know many Rancilio baskets are a hair smaller in diameter and can be too tight to no fit for some leveling and distribution tools. If that turns out to be the case with your tool/stock basket combo then you'll need to go with a precision filter basket like those from Baristapro: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/ims All will fit tools without issue and your stock portafilter.
Marc
Marc, I got the Jack Leveler, but when I'm trying to use it as tamper as you are all the way open. It seems like I have to push/force it down a bit as it doesn't go all the way down. Do you think I have too much coffee or does my grind needs to be finer? I ended up setting it a midway to be able to make work.
Question for stock baskets that come with rocket and profitec. Would the jack leveler work or would you need to replace the basket first.
So what I'm getting at from the video is, a beginner who's using a basic espresso machine with a pressurised basket don't need to
1. Tamp the coffee.
2. Using a leveler is enough.
Hi MM, Yes, for the vast majority of espresso makers using pressurized baskets.
Marc
Hey Marc. Hope you're in a good health and doing well.
Hi MA, So far so good! Hope you are well also!
Marc
I have a question for a leveler how deep should you go into the coffee in the basket
Good stuff, Marc! Enjoying my Jack Leveler - making a big difference to shot consistency. Quick question on the portafilters... is there an angled bottomless portafilter suitable for a Profitec Pro 700? Cheers!
Hi Steven, Thanks for the feedback on the Jack! This ECM Bottomless is angled and will fit the Pro 700: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-angled-bottomless-portafilter
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Awesome!
At around 13:12 when Marc is testing the Bravo tamper it seems to come off the portafilter edge and therefore isn’t level anymore. I have the same issue sometimes, any suggestions?
Hello and thank for your thoughts, but I‘m a little bit worried after the part 2:32. I also have a baristapro bucket and a Motta 58mm tamper. If I Press the tamper all the und way down in the empty basket it nearly stucks but as I get higher it wiggles a bit.. isn‘t that „normal“?
Every time I see the Bravo kit I think "one day" Maybe some body in the UK might start selling them.
Hi TJ, They are nice tools - I'm sure they will make it there sooner or later!
Marc
Hey, Marc. I'm getting a few tiny streams of coffee spraying from the edges of my naked portafilter. Does this indicate an inadequate tamp? I'm using a leveler so maybe I need to increase depth?
Hi b, Thanks for the question. A depth adjustment could help. I run my leveler as deep as possible without causing it to slip adjustment. But could also be nature of your filter basket or other causes. Tiny pinhole sprays are not uncommon. Though slightly messy I wouldn't worry about them too much. Big gushing spurts are another story as those indicate serious channeling in the puck. So long as you have even development and continued flow from all areas of the filter basket you are doing very well!
Marc
Hey Marc, Do you re-adjust your Jack Leveler every time you change your dose?
Hi DF, Thanks for the question. Yes, but I tend to use the same dose and filter basket for most extractions.
Marc
Hi Mark, thanks for the video. I don't see the difference between the leveller and the distributor? they look the same and we do the same kind of movement with it. Thanks
Hi Patrice, Levelers and distributors do look similar and there's some crossover. Most distributors are meant to be used in combination with a tamper. So you distribute and then tamp the coffee to compress the grind. The Jack Leveler used in this video has an easily adjustable depth setting that's not typically found on a distributor. With adjustable depth, the Jack can compress the coffee to the point that tamping is not required.
Hope that helps!
Marc
hi mark, ever thaught of using vibrations for coffee distribution, somthing like a vibrating plate ??
Hey do, I have not, but that's a very interesting idea - sounds like it could work!
Marc
Hi Marc! Always love the videos. Who is the manufacturer of the angled portafilter that was used in the video? Thank you as always.
I believe it is ECM
If the one with Chrome tip at end of handle it is an ECM PF! so Scot W. wins!
@@Wholelattelovepage No, the regular non-chrome tip end. Is it a Bezzera? It looked like one off of a Profitec and momentarily got excited to see a potential Profitec angled portafilter, no soup for me.
@@planespotterjason Well, the ECM angled should fit in Profitec E61 group machines
I'm distributing the coffee with kind of a broom, consisting of eight thin steel needles (also helps to get rid of clumps), and tamping with a 58 or 58,5 tamper. By the way, using both diameters since years by now and still can't tell, which one is better to use.-)
Hi e, sounds like a WDT distribution tool. Personally I prefer a snug fit. Thing is many tampers listed at 58mm are actually a little larger. More and more manufacturers are adding the tenths of the millimeter to descriptions and packaging now.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I got the ECM tamper from your website and found it to fit pretty well. Is its true measure actually 58mm+ instead of exactly 58mm as listed?
@@jz2450 Unfortunately my digital calipers are MIA or I'd give you exact measurement. I did a rough comparison to tampers I know are exactly 58 and 58.5mm and the ECM is about halfway in between so I'm going with 58.3.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the speedy response. That is super helpful. By the way, the bravo tamper is out of stock. Are you planning on bringing it back?
@@jz2450 You're welcome. Yes, we are planning on bring in more Bravo tampers. No ETA at this point.
Marc
Hey Marc! Great and informative video as usual. I use the Rattleware tamper you indicated as an entry-level one in the video and yes, I have that exact little rim of grinds around the diameter of the tamper with each shot. That said, I'm on the cusp of a big upgrade to all my gear. So, here's the question: what's the difference between a distributor and leveler? Is there one? Prior to using the posh Bravo kit, you had been advocating for only the Jack Leveler. I understand the goal is eliminating variables for fidelity between shots, but if you could elaborate a bit, that would be awesome. Thanks again!
Hi Spencer, Thanks for the comment and question. There is some gray area in difference between distributors and levelers. But, depending on the specific tool they may do essentially the same thing. Not all distributors end with a leveled surface for tamping. Not all levelers compress the coffee enough to go without traditional tamping. I continue to advocate for The Jack. It's less than half the price of the 2 tool Bravo Distributor and Tamper. I tend to use the same coffee dose weight and same filter basket. The Jack works well for that. If changing baskets and dose weights a lot the Bravo will always get you the same distribution and tamping pressure regardless of basket and dose weight used.
Marc
Hi Marc, what do you think about WDT style coffee distributors?
Hi ED, Thanks for the question. Guessing you are referring to distributors with multiple wires? If so, not something I've used but in theory I imagine they might be useful for breaking up a clumpy grind.
Marc
Thanks for the video! Question from a noob: Are portafilters the same size or is the measurement rating for the filter? I’m having trouble finding a 54mm distribution tool online to go with my 54mm breville portafilter. Do I match the size of the basket to the distribution tool or do I need a larger basket and portafilter? Full disclosure: My Bambino Plus is in the mail right now. I’m trying to learn as much as I can now to hit the ground running.
Hi 80's kid, You are welcome and thanks for the question. Portafilters and filter baskets use the same dimension reference. So a 54mm filter basket fits in what's called 54mm portfilter. The 54mm measurement refers to the internal diameter of the filter basket. 54mm distribution tools can be difficult to find as 54mm filter baskets are most common in closer to entry-level appliance grade machines. Many of those including the Bambino use a pressurized filter basket in which leveling and/or tamping has little impact on the extraction process. Unless you are modding the Bambino to use a non-pressurized filter basket I would not bother purchasing a leveler. The Bambino comes with Breville's Razor tool which should take care of things.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage this was extremely helpful, and thanks again! I have a non pressurized basket ready to go, as I will be finding my bean in my breville smart grinder pro. Super excited to get my machine and start learning. This channel has been a wonderful guide to help guide me through many brewing processes!
Why do you spin the Bravo 2 directions but the Jack only one? Jack is toward the gentle ramps?
Hey g, Thanks for the question. The Bravo is designed as a distributor to be used prior to tamping. The head of the Bravo does not exert as much pressure on the coffee bed. It "floats" over the coffee. The Jack has an adjustable static depth setting so when properly set it exerts enough force to compress the coffee so no tamping is needed.
Marc
Marc can you do a review on what you think about needle tampers?
Hi Antonio, Thanks for the request I'll see if I can get one on the schedule.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage you are the best! Thank you for all the great videos
Hey Marc! I'm local to Rochester, what's your favorite local coffee for espresso?
Hi JG, when I go local I go specialty lighter roast fresh Ethiopian Yirgacheffe. Feugo or Joe Bean have had some good stuff. Some of the most impressive blueberry notes I’ve ever tasted in espresso was some from Joe Bean a few years back. Great to hear from a local - thanks. A key indicator for me of specialty shops likely to do it right is in-house roasting.
Marc
Hey Mark - when are you going to give us a review of the amazing Crem One?
Hi Glen, Crem machines are in the building! Been working with 4 models and should have video out in about 3 weeks.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage awesome! I was considering it but decided it’s out of my price range, and I’ve decided to go with the beautiful Lelit Mara instead. 😁
Hi Mark, i have an ecm stock distributer and basket, is it worth upgrading the tamper? Filter basket to IMS basket?
Thanks
Hi YM, So you have one of these: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-coffee-distributor
Not sure if you meant the stock ECM tamper or their distributor accessory linked above. Personally I started using the Jack Leveler a couple of years ago and found it increased the consistency of my shots. I get a perfect level compression of the ground coffee every time. And used properly I find no need to tamp the coffee after use. If satisfied with your current tools then no need to upgrade but I do think all-in-one distribution and tamping with a tool like the Jack is easier and more consistent.
Marc
So to know what's my stock basket actual size is,I need to measure it with caliper and than get leveler for it?
Hi Chef, I don't recall what machine you have. If it has an E61 or Bezzera BZ brew group then your stock basket should be 58mm. Actual size is likely about 58.6mm. Tools like levelers speced at 58mm to 58.5mm should work well with your stock basket. Many of the tools listed as 58mm are actually a few tenths larger so fit well in stock 58mm baskets. Especially true for precision tools like the Jack leveler.
Marc
Hello Mark. Thanks a lot for the video you guys are doing.
I wanted to ask, I have a gaggia classic pro. I would like to change the 7gr and 14gr baskets with the nanotech ones.
How can I know that those baskets will fit inside the PF and when I lock the PF to the Group Head? I read on HomeBarista that nanotech baskets won't fit perfectly with the GH of Classic pro.
Can you help me in this issue?
Thank you
Leonida
Up.
Hi LM, Thanks for the question. I've never had a problem using Baristapro nanotech filter baskets in the Gaggia Classic Pro. All fit and work fine right up to the 22g triple: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baristapro-22g-nanotech-precision-portafilter-basket
Marc
Hey Marc, I'm interesting purchase the Jack leveler, I have an IMS B70 26.5mm filter basket and a baristpro D26661NT filter basket, is it okay if I purchase the 58.5mm one?
Thanks
Hi Kris, Thanks for the question. Yes The Jack will work with those baskets. The Baristapro 20g D26661NT basket is one I use all the time with The Jack. IMS should be the same. When using just be sure get rid of any residual grinds on the vertical surface of the leveling head.
Marc
Is there anything like the bravo tamper but a bit more on the budget oriented side?
Hi FM, Thanks for the question. A couple of options. There's this ECM Pressure Regulating tamper. It's a single tamp pressure so not adjustable like the Bravo. But does have a disc which rests on top of the filter basket rim to help keep the tamp level: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/tampers/products/ecm-pressure-regulating-tamper
Also check out the Espro Calibrated Tamper. Again a single tamp pressure: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/tampers/products/espro-58mm-calibrated-convex-tamper
Hope that helps!
Marc
i have a double non pressurized basket 51mm for delonghi ec685 and 51mm delonghi metal tamper and it doesnt fit well it locks in the basket while pressing .Does it need 50mm or 49mm tamper maybe?
Hi tK, Thanks for the question. A couple thoughts. First, tampers may bind due to ground coffee between the side of tamper head and filter basket. Second, tamping coffee in a pressurized basket in most cases has little affect on the extraction as it's the pressurized basket causing pressure to build in the portafilter and not the grind size and compression (tamping) of the ground coffee. If you really want to tamp - which is fine, a tamper with smaller head may work better for you.
Marc
Wait wait what's the difference between a pressurized espresso machine? Don't all machines use bars of pressure? As in, do I need to tamp my puck for my Breville machine?
Hi ef, If using the single wall baskets you should tamp the coffee. If using the dual wall (pressurized) basket then tamping has little effect as it's the basket which creates the pressure of the espresso brewing process and not the coffee.
Marc
Hi, I got a 54.7 bravo espresso distributor since it said that it works with all 54mm portafilters. It doesn’t quite work with mine, do you carry a 54mm distributor
Hi AE, Thanks for the question. What type of machine are you using? Not all 54mm labeled stock baskets are the same. We find the Bravo 54.7mm works well with higher-end baskets on machines like those from Dalla Corte. A shot in the dark, but any chance you are using a Breville or Sage? Filter basket on their 54mm machines may be a little smaller. We currently do not stock other 54mm distributors.
Marc
Does anyone know of cheaper and good quality alternatives to 200$ Bravo 58mm Tamper?
Heck of a salesman...
Lol, what I never aspired to be!
Does anyone know if the Jack leveler works with the 54mm Breville Barista baskets? I noticed The Jack - Leveler website offers 54.7mm and 53mm options.
Hi Hans, Wish I could help but have not tried the 54mm Jack with Breville 54mm filter baskets.
Marc
Hey WLL,
Are you familiar with Cunill coffee grinders? I'm in the market for one, and in my country, I can get Cunill Tranquilio II. I cannot find much information about the company on the internet, however their website seems like the products are pretty robust. Can you throw some light on this?
Hi J, thanks for the question. Unfortunately I have not used a Cunill grinder so cannot offer an opinion.
Marc
Does the Bravo tamper can be set to 10kg of preasure?
Hi NG, Bravo tamper is adjustable from 26-37lbs of pressure = 12-17kg.
Marc
Hi, how is the jack level adjustable? Does it have a rubber ring around it? Does is screw in and out? Thanks.
Hi GS, Screws in and out with click stop so quick/easy adjustment. Here's a video on the Jack with more detail and how to use: ruclips.net/video/4Z5vTi643sc/видео.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage - thanks for your reply and help
Hi Marc, do you know if the Jack leveller is available in Australia
Hey down there! a quick search turned it up here: www.coffeemachinespecialist.com.au/shop/asso-distributor-colour-waves/
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc, happy Thanksgiving to you all at Whole Latte Love
Not getting a flat tamp with the jack leveler and still seeing dust around the edges….anyone having this issue…
Hey AR, If not getting a flat tamp try adjusting the depth of the leveling head. Assume by not flat you mean seeing impression of leveling head in coffee surface. Some dust around edges is normal. Can be more or less depending on the filter basket used. Some stock baskets are not as precise in size. Also be sure and wipe down the sides of the leveling head after each use to reduce dust.
Marc
Swamped the stock basket with Barista Pro nano filter basket and that fixed the issue. Video was spot on
No shipping to malaysia?
Hi FI, Not at this time - sorry!
Marc
How about .. Puqpress Q2 Precision Automatic Coffee Tamper.
Keep an eye out for the Compak Cube automatic tamper. Video coming soon!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage .. Will do, thanks. 👍😎
The piece used at 7:50 replaces a regular tamper?
Hi JM, Yes it can when setup properly. As I mentioned some people will still tamp after using The Jack. I don't find it's required. Here's a more detailed video on using The Jack leveler: ruclips.net/video/4Z5vTi643sc/видео.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks,It seems like this would be more consistent.
We are manufacturer and supplier of coffee tampers
13:08 If the levelling disc lifts as it did here, it cannot function. When it lifts you can tamp out of level. It looked like the springs was the problem. Ideally when you make a mistake on a demo video you should do it over correctly. If you don't we must assume it doesn't work
Hi ER, Well, thanks for the comment. But have no idea what you are talking about. The tamping head goes down perfectly straight.
Marc
I didn't know Huey Lewis knew so much about making coffee.
Hi Anthony, Lol! I think I might be a bit younger than Mr. Lewis!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage on a serious note. Bought my gaggia classic pro from you guys at the start of quarantine. It replaced my gaggia titanium I bought from you guys a long time ago. Anyways I'm looking for a good grinder that won't break the bank. What are your recommendations?
Thanks !
@@Local11-m9r thanks for your patronage! If you can hang on about 3 weeks we have more Bezzera BB005s on the way from Italy. Best value in a machine grade grinder IMO and good pairing with the Classic. Also a good pairing... a Bills win and the chicken wings currently in my air fryer. Yep, ya caught me cooking! Marc
That "level" portafilter is so not level... LOL!
Title says distributors, doesn't feature a single distributor... smh
Devlin M. Hi, guess you missed the Bravo distributor? Def in there and demonstrated.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage again, that's a leveler. Next time get a tool that does some wdt, like a duomo or something similar
Devlin M. Company that makes it puts the word “Distributor” on the product. Does it level as well? Yes www.wholelattelove.com/products/bravo-espresso-distributor-58-4-mm-matte-black
@@Wholelattelovepage I guess distributor sells better than leveler.
Marc You need more sugar
Gone super skinny.......lol
Well, I never put sugar in coffee and swore off ice cream for COVID.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage What is your recipe for going skinnier Marc? I'm going full opposite of you did, i.e becoming obese since Covid started
He has a very healthy body fat %. Super skinny? America has an obesity epidemic which may be skewing your perception. in Europe and Asia most people would consider this perfectly normal.
@@omegaslast thanks for that. I’d still like to drop a few pounds/kgs. Dang love handles!
Marc
@@dwikafebrianto3016 20 minutes of Pilates/yoga every morning, took up biking about 5 years ago and try to get 50 miles+ per week. Shots of espresso before workouts and generally balanced diet. But gonna down some Buffalo wings tonight when the bills go 5-0 chased by some Coors light!
Marc