Hearing Lena sing "Going Nowhere" and seeing her expressions just kills me.....she was truly feeling every bit of emotion the words of that song brought her....its obvious she was in so much emotional turmoil. So very very sad :( RIP Lena xx
That soo called school friend sounds so insensitive. Little jealous was we. Show some compassion. I doubt she could fully comprehend what she was going through at that age
Lena had a great voice. This documentary reminded me. We now know how damaging being a child star can be. This was the 1970s and they had less knowledge of the fragility of children's psycological development. Look at Michael Jackson, altered his body through plastic surgery, Karen Carpenter also had Annorexia. All of them had forms of body dysmorphia.
I was so sorry to hear that young lady who shared a classroom with Lena choosing to take offence + make it about her, when she noted Lena's insecurities about the dancers + others being more slender. This had nothing to do with her. It was Lena's inner torture. It could have been anything or anyone that triggered her. It wasn't about that girl at all. Perhaps now in hind sight she's more educated about anorexia nervosa. Hi from Oz. 👇💜🤔
i am addicted to this set of 6 clips on lena's life. solomon has a lot to answer for. solomon states in this clip she had no control over what lena did. BULL!!!!! As her manager she had any amount of control. seeing early clips remind me of when i used to watch lena on telly. the world has lost a sweet innocent and beautiful person - both inner and outer.
I find that old classmate from Lena's school very annoying. First of all, it wasn't as if she was Lena's best friend or something, so how on earth would she know if anyone mentioned weight to Lena? Secondly, it is not as if Lena mentioned that woman by name. And third, whether weight was ever mentioned or not, Lena still could have been mentally comparing herself to other girls. I've been in 15-20 ED clinics where talk of weight is forbidden but EVERYONE compares! It is part of the illness!
I believe they mentioned that it was in print somewhere that Lena had said she had insecurities about the slender dance students. I totally agree that this class mate had no right to make this about her. To choose to take offence when Lena was struggling with a serious psychological illness. Hi from Oz. 👇💜🤔
I feel for Lena's father. He wanted to help her, but so little was known about the condition back then. It is much more complicated than just not swallowing food. Poor girl.
Her parents are ultimately responsible for allowing her to leave home to work. They should have protected her. Her parents were separated and her mother was drinking. Her father made it worse by making Lena feel guilty. He told her that she (Lena) was making them suffer cause she wouldn't eat. Wrong thing to say to an anorexic. I am not defending the agent. The agent already knew her own character and that's probably why she chose not to bear children. Parents were responsible.
They might not have mentioned weight at school but it didn't sop her from comparing. But the idea came from somewhere. It was the perfect storm- depressed suicidal and alcoholic mother, divorced parents, taken away from her father and friends into a loveless home growing up, made to sing non-stop to make someone else money but making none for herself, having all her other career options shut off before high school with no skills to do anything else, no chance to play games and be a normal kid, a loveless marriage and career over before she was 30.
It was most likely her manager pressuring her to stunt her puberty so she could fit into the young child dresses and keep that image for as long as possible. She probably aspired to be thin like the dancers at her school but the eating disorder had started before then. Its not like she was going to blame the manager at the time so it was easier to say it was girls at school.
'They didn't want me, so they made me a star.' John Lennon wrote those lines about parents who are obsessed with fame and celebrity. A ten year old girl needs to be with her parents. Showbusiness destroys a lot of people. They even drugged up a young Judy Garland on the set of 'The Wizard of OZ,' so the producers could finish that horrible movie on time. Lena was surrounded by vampires.
Am I the only person who sees the Parent responsibility here yet everyone is blaming her agent? Her agent is a business woman. Her parents were negligent. I wouldn't allow mt 10 year old to go off unaccompanied and barely visit. Even here the dad seems detached . Good God!
Dorothy Solomon was just completely devoid of any emotion, was clearly not prepared to deal with a child of any age, with Lenas parents back in Scotland what could they do, it was to late by then
It is indeed a very difficult illness to get your head round, whether you are the person who has it, a family member, close friend or casual acquaintance. The mixed up emotions that perpetrate from low self-esteem, unrealistic targets, hyper-sensitivity to criticism and the frustration that impacts on the wider social network leads to a tendency to blame and shame. I understand both sides of the argument here, as I've had anorexia myself and worked with others who have it.
Poor Lena. That agent is a cold hearted cow! Then her mother kills herself. That classmate don't help either, criticising the girl. Then there were her father's comments to her, perhaps born out of sheer desperation, but completely the wrong thing to say to an anorexic
Its easy to judge after the event - but first I dont understand why parents would allow a young child to be taken out of their care into the power of other people they dont even know. Second - when the father saw that Lena had an eating disorder - why did he not put a stop to the whole thing and put her well being first? As for the agent saying - well - we offered her parts and she gladly took them. Children dont have the maturity to make these decisions. It may be Lena was offering herself for roles etc as she could see no other value in herself. Shocking treatment of a child.
Has that old schoolfriend thought how Lena would have felt when she said to her "Lena why have you said that?" Bet that all those posh girls whos rich daddies were trying to buy fame for their daughters were very jealous of the gorgeous terrifically talented little girl from the Isle of Bute.
We females can be so terribly competitive. Especially at those tender ages. Poor Lena. It wasn't about the class mate who chose to take great offence. It was about poor sweet talented Lena. Hi from Oz. 👇💜😔
I was a year older than Lena and have been into The Jam, Simple Minds etc etc but have always liked Lena's voice... what a waste of talent.. such a shame.
There are so many 'what ifs' re Lena. Had she been put in a studio in the mid-Eighties with a bunch of half-decent songs to record who knows what might have happened. It is easy to blame her manager, but at the same time a precocious talent like hers would have been difficult to hold back until she was out of a 'normal' childhood and adolescence. RIP honey.
Lena's agent seems a cold-hearted type, doesn't she? Poor girl...to think that her self-worth was tied up in succeeding at show business. She needed a break to rest and be a normal girl for awhile. I wonder if this was a case of 'too much too soon'- how could a child be expected to know what is good for her? What a loss. RIP Lena.
I can see that nobody on this page has had any dealings with AN. The great determination, the obsessive behaviour is a challenge for all those around the anorexic patient. It's difficult to slow down the patient. Most people wouldn't know how to help an AN. Don't blame Lena's manager. Blame the medics who are slow to catch on to the facets of this illness.
WTF...she was unhappy because she was put in a position which she had no control!in some of her performances ..in her eyes you can see she's crying for help...you push people to far and this is what happens!! Lena was an amazing talent and should never be forgotten.the woman who was manager was after a quick buck...she seems cold in the interviews and i can only imagine what home life would of been like ..really is a shame R.I.P Lena Zavaroniou cant blame the parents they were nieve to
Karen Halliday you obviously don't understand the tortured mind of an anorexic, nobody would have had to have mentioned her weight to Lena for her to feel this way so to feel insulted would have been totally selfish
I hate the showbiz kids & variety nonsense with a passion, but the story of Lena Zavaroni is possibly the most harrowing & tragic story to have come out of the world of music & showbiz. It's obvious from this docu she was a gifted performer & vocalist who was deliberately prevented from developing artistically (and mentally) by her management, the crap she was performing no doubt added to her feelings of emptiness at a time in her life when she should have been developing as an adult.
Do you know if this was released as a single? I know she did have a few singles out around this period - but none of them did well, yet this song is much better than they were.
This Dorothy solomon person is so cold, I don't even think that she though about Lean in any other way than money in the bank. All due respect to the dad but he comes across as apathetic, I bet if he said stop performing she would have done.
Solomon, all things point back to her, I think she must have put the idea of weight in her head, putting a little girl on a diet and taking her away from her family, she should have had her five minutes of fame and gone back to her mum and dad and sister end of, instead of living with that Solomon.
Her emotional show in the song. Obviously, she was feeling the words of tis song, it seemed to toughher as though she was going through what the word meant. It shows on her face and body language. IMO
We can moan and complain all the time about who should have been looking after her but it won't bring her back now. I hope we have all learned by this and look out for all our friends and relatives who might be going through the same thing.
Dorothy would never have said anything to her. It simply wouldn't have crossed her mind. Dorothy comes across as someone who does everything by the book come hell or high water. It wasn't my place to say anything. For goodness sake, woman! She was just a blooming teenager.
@newagemisfit What you have said there is missing the point. The cause of anorexia for Lena was the fame and the emphasis on slenderness and the lack of love in her life.People who have had anorexia and never been famous have in their lives been criticised for not being slim also,that is a major cause of anorexia which both famous and non famous youngsters have in common.
That agent would let comebacks rush by her and not care about the mental health of Lena and could have just talked about what she thought about her mental health at all or her anyrexia Or at least try to help while she was still alive If she had done sir,thing too or noticed anything sooner maybe things wouldn’t shave gone the way they did I’m ashamed of how blind she is.
Having struggled with idiopathic rash followed by parasitism, I know only too well how mainstream medics are way out of touch with all and hampered by lack of tests for early diagnosis and/or restrictions on what and how much to prescribe for a condition that hasn't been properly researched. A lot more info in past decade. A medical condition that can lead to psychiatric problems but as Karolinska cited , the "anorexia does not start out as a mental impairment. Virus/ zoonotic virus and parasites are behind this. Bacterial parasites - fungals - mycitoxins - all of the above.
She is so naïve. I have known the managers of so many major stars and they would always put the well being of their artiste before anything else. This was even around the time if Lena's fame.
No it was most problaly her management and those closest that were supposed to be caring for her that earned a wage from her that suggested she may have Gained a few pounds that would have probably influenced her.
I would say if Karen was acting when she was talking about Lena like so intentionally honest I feel “oh, could you not show any more truthful honesty for the documentary please was that too hard for you? Couldn’t you have been more legitimate perhaps?”
With Karen Halliday talking about nobody saying anything about Lena’s weight I’m thinking “Oh yeah sure Karen” because why would Lena lie about something like that I feel and I feel like Lena wouldn’t have just said something like that as if it was a lie or anything and I bet that woman Karen knew about it anyway because I’m just wondering perhaps she said something about Lena’s weight or she knew if anyone had said something and then here with her talking she just has guilty conscience written all over her like oh of course nobody said anything because that just feels to much a week lie when she talks about that and you know how she went to the Italia Conti stage school I would have said to her “well maybe you should have gone back there to learn to lie even better because you seem to be so good at that already, lying seems to be your specialty doesn’t it and I know why you would never have been good at playing a truthful more down to earth role, because you can barely tell the truth to save your life.” That’s what I would say, just my opinion.
I've seen another documentary about her where Jay Aston (from Bucks Fizz fame) said that she overheard at an audition it was said "nice little actress but she'll never get anywhere with a figure like that!" So who do you believe? We'll never find out for sure.😢
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Hearing Lena sing "Going Nowhere" and seeing her expressions just kills me.....she was truly feeling every bit of emotion the words of that song brought her....its obvious she was in so much emotional turmoil. So very very sad :( RIP Lena xx
Both Lena Zavaroni and Karen Carpenter had wonderful voices and both suffered the same end. So tragic.
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That soo called school friend sounds so insensitive. Little jealous was we. Show some compassion. I doubt she could fully comprehend what she was going through at that age
I agree
Going Nowhere gave me chills.
You can see a deep sadness in her eyes... so sad
Lena had a great voice. This documentary reminded me. We now know how damaging being a child star can be. This was the 1970s and they had less knowledge of the fragility of children's psycological development. Look at Michael Jackson, altered his body through plastic surgery, Karen Carpenter also had Annorexia. All of them had forms of body dysmorphia.
So tragic. What an incredible talent. Too bad she didn't have a manager with a heart.
Her manager just sounds like a complete and utter bugbear.
She had the most beautiful eyes!
I was so sorry to hear that young lady who shared a classroom with Lena choosing to take offence + make it about her, when she noted Lena's insecurities about the dancers + others being more slender. This had nothing to do with her. It was Lena's inner torture. It could have been anything or anyone that triggered her. It wasn't about that girl at all. Perhaps now in hind sight she's more educated about anorexia nervosa. Hi from Oz. 👇💜🤔
i am addicted to this set of 6 clips on lena's life. solomon has a lot to answer for. solomon states in this clip she had no control over what lena did. BULL!!!!! As her manager she had any amount of control. seeing early clips remind me of when i used to watch lena on telly. the world has lost a sweet innocent and beautiful person - both inner and outer.
I find that old classmate from Lena's school very annoying. First of all, it wasn't as if she was Lena's best friend or something, so how on earth would she know if anyone mentioned weight to Lena? Secondly, it is not as if Lena mentioned that woman by name. And third, whether weight was ever mentioned or not, Lena still could have been mentally comparing herself to other girls. I've been in 15-20 ED clinics where talk of weight is forbidden but EVERYONE compares! It is part of the illness!
I believe they mentioned that it was in print somewhere that Lena had said she had insecurities about the slender dance students. I totally agree that this class mate had no right to make this about her. To choose to take offence when Lena was struggling with a serious psychological illness. Hi from Oz. 👇💜🤔
WOW!, what a voice
Taken from her family and exploited, she made someone rich. Poor poor child. Rip sweet girl
You're missed Lena.❤️
Dorothy,you helped to kill her, what a monster.
I feel for Lena's father. He wanted to help her, but so little was known about the condition back then. It is much more complicated than just not swallowing food. Poor girl.
poor wee lassie , rest easy hen :(
Mr Fisher strikes me as being quite a caring person and very intelligent.
He could sense that something was very wrong.
I really hate that agent.
A beautiful little pixie with a heartbreakingly beautiful voice. Love the Lady Di hairdo. R.I.P. little angel.
Her parents are ultimately responsible for allowing her to leave home to work. They should have protected her. Her parents were separated and her mother was drinking. Her father made it worse by making Lena feel guilty. He told her that she (Lena) was making them suffer cause she wouldn't eat. Wrong thing to say to an anorexic. I am not defending the agent. The agent already knew her own character and that's probably why she chose not to bear children. Parents were responsible.
Beautiful soul, gone too soon
They might not have mentioned weight at school but it didn't sop her from comparing. But the idea came from somewhere. It was the perfect storm- depressed suicidal and alcoholic mother, divorced parents, taken away from her father and friends into a loveless home growing up, made to sing non-stop to make someone else money but making none for herself, having all her other career options shut off before high school with no skills to do anything else, no chance to play games and be a normal kid, a loveless marriage and career over before she was 30.
It was most likely her manager pressuring her to stunt her puberty so she could fit into the young child dresses and keep that image for as long as possible. She probably aspired to be thin like the dancers at her school but the eating disorder had started before then. Its not like she was going to blame the manager at the time so it was easier to say it was girls at school.
'They didn't want me, so they made me a star.' John Lennon wrote those lines about parents who are obsessed with fame and celebrity. A ten year old girl needs to be with her parents. Showbusiness destroys a lot of people. They even drugged up a young Judy Garland on the set of 'The Wizard of OZ,' so the producers could finish that horrible movie on time. Lena was surrounded by vampires.
Am I the only person who sees the Parent responsibility here yet everyone is blaming her agent? Her agent is a business woman. Her parents were negligent. I wouldn't allow mt 10 year old to go off unaccompanied and barely visit. Even here the dad seems detached . Good God!
Dorothy Solomon was just completely devoid of any emotion, was clearly not prepared to deal with a child of any age, with Lenas parents back in Scotland what could they do, it was to late by then
The agent must have been abusing Lena, one way or another, shame nobody picked up on it.
Lena and her mother were beautiful women
and her sister..they all looked so similar.
Her agent is such a cold woman
She was communicating something about herself in the song at 2:40 (Going no where?). You can read it in the seriousness of her eyes.
is there a greatest hits of her songs on cd. if so where can i find it
It is indeed a very difficult illness to get your head round, whether you are the person who has it, a family member, close friend or casual acquaintance. The mixed up emotions that perpetrate from low self-esteem, unrealistic targets, hyper-sensitivity to criticism and the frustration that impacts on the wider social network leads to a tendency to blame and shame. I understand both sides of the argument here, as I've had anorexia myself and worked with others who have it.
Nice Lassie from Rothesay 😘
Poor Lena. That agent is a cold hearted cow! Then her mother kills herself. That classmate don't help either, criticising the girl. Then there were her father's comments to her, perhaps born out of sheer desperation, but completely the wrong thing to say to an anorexic
You can get some of her old LPs quite cheaply on ebay from time to time, there are some great double album song collections available....
I wish someone could have helped her. What a waste of a Beautiful soul.
Its easy to judge after the event - but first I dont understand why parents would allow a young child to be taken out of their care into the power of other people they dont even know. Second - when the father saw that Lena had an eating disorder - why did he not put a stop to the whole thing and put her well being first? As for the agent saying - well - we offered her parts and she gladly took them. Children dont have the maturity to make these decisions. It may be Lena was offering herself for roles etc as she could see no other value in herself. Shocking treatment of a child.
Has that old schoolfriend thought how Lena would have felt when she said to her "Lena why have you said that?" Bet that all those posh girls whos rich daddies were trying to buy fame for their daughters were very jealous of the gorgeous terrifically talented little girl from the Isle of Bute.
We females can be so terribly competitive. Especially at those tender ages. Poor Lena. It wasn't about the class mate who chose to take great offence. It was about poor sweet talented Lena. Hi from Oz. 👇💜😔
Very sad, nice looking Lassie 🙂
6Shattered6Dream6 The song is called Going nowhere..Neil Sedaka sang it originally.
I was a year older than Lena and have been into The Jam, Simple Minds etc etc but have always liked Lena's voice... what a waste of talent.. such a shame.
What a cold woman just listening to her i feel sad.
3:05 such emotion in those words..goosebumps..
Wow this sad, very sad!!
There are so many 'what ifs' re Lena. Had she been put in a studio in the mid-Eighties with a bunch of half-decent songs to record who knows what might have happened. It is easy to blame her manager, but at the same time a precocious talent like hers would have been difficult to hold back until she was out of a 'normal' childhood and adolescence. RIP honey.
Anorexia wasn't known about then like it is now. Richard Carpenter said they didn't know what they were dealing with.
It was very well known at the time, no one cared enough.
That agent is completely in denial. She obviously placed inordinate pressure on Lena because that's how she made her money.
Lena's agent seems a cold-hearted type, doesn't she?
Poor girl...to think that her self-worth was tied up in succeeding at show business. She needed a break to rest and be a normal girl for awhile.
I wonder if this was a case of 'too much too soon'- how could a child be expected to know what is good for her? What a loss. RIP Lena.
I can see that nobody on this page has had any dealings with AN. The great determination, the obsessive behaviour is a challenge for all those around the anorexic patient. It's difficult to slow down the patient. Most people wouldn't know how to help an AN. Don't blame Lena's manager. Blame the medics who are slow to catch on to the facets of this illness.
WTF...she was unhappy because she was put in a position which she had no control!in some of her performances ..in her eyes you can see she's crying for help...you push people to far and this is what happens!! Lena was an amazing talent and should never be forgotten.the woman who was manager was after a quick buck...she seems cold in the interviews and i can only imagine what home life would of been like ..really is a shame
R.I.P Lena Zavaroniou cant blame the parents they were nieve to
Karen Halliday you obviously don't understand the tortured mind of an anorexic, nobody would have had to have mentioned her weight to Lena for her to feel this way so to feel insulted would have been totally selfish
I hate the showbiz kids & variety nonsense with a passion, but the story of Lena Zavaroni is possibly the most harrowing & tragic story to have come out of the world of music & showbiz. It's obvious from this docu she was a gifted performer & vocalist who was deliberately prevented from developing artistically (and mentally) by her management, the crap she was performing no doubt added to her feelings of emptiness at a time in her life when she should have been developing as an adult.
Do you know if this was released as a single? I know she did have a few singles out around this period - but none of them did well, yet this song is much better than they were.
This Dorothy solomon person is so cold, I don't even think that she though about Lean in any other way than money in the bank. All due respect to the dad but he comes across as apathetic, I bet if he said stop performing she would have done.
I would love a full video of her entire performance of Going Nowhere that we see just a part of in here. Does anyone know a source? God, it's intense.
m.ruclips.net/video/R8sewohu2qI/видео.html
when i see her sing at 1:47 its very sad because i can tell she is extreamly unhappy.
Solomon, all things point back to her, I think she must have put the idea of weight in her head, putting a little girl on a diet and taking her away from her family, she should have had her five minutes of fame and gone back to her mum and dad and sister end of, instead of living with that Solomon.
Nice Happy person, underneath unhappy 🙂
Her emotional show in the song. Obviously, she was feeling the words of tis song, it seemed to toughher as though she was going through what the word meant. It shows on her face and body language. IMO
Managers ect just take n take from these talents till they make it ugly and unbearable..then their light goes out
We can moan and complain all the time about who should have been looking after her but it won't bring her back now. I hope we have all learned by this and look out for all our friends and relatives who might be going through the same thing.
wow .... I blame the stage mother... sad, a beautiful voice...
+Anthony Richard The father seems pretty slow too!
Angry why did she not have better Management she was far to young with no right adult to care for her and love her 😭
ke she is singing about herself,and her agent just saw money money money her family should have told her to stop
Dorothy would never have said anything to her. It simply wouldn't have crossed her mind.
Dorothy comes across as someone who does everything by the book come hell or high water.
It wasn't my place to say anything.
For goodness sake, woman! She was just a blooming teenager.
Sad
Going Nowhere
@newagemisfit What you have said there is missing the point. The cause of anorexia for Lena was the fame and the emphasis on slenderness and the lack of love in her life.People who have had anorexia and never been famous have in their lives been criticised for not being slim also,that is a major cause of anorexia which both famous and non famous youngsters have in common.
That agent would let comebacks rush by her and not care about the mental health of Lena and could have just talked about what she thought about her mental health at all or her anyrexia
Or at least try to help while she was still alive
If she had done sir,thing too or noticed anything sooner maybe things wouldn’t shave gone the way they did
I’m ashamed of how blind she is.
"Very sad"
I have now posted two different videos of this song, including this, the 1981 version.
Please see my channel for details...
I have now posted the full version of this video.
I went to school with lena . Shame on her family you gave her away a child
Having struggled with idiopathic rash followed by parasitism, I know only too well how mainstream medics are way out of touch with all and hampered by lack of tests for early diagnosis and/or restrictions on what and how much to prescribe for a condition that hasn't been properly researched.
A lot more info in past decade. A medical condition that can lead to psychiatric problems but as Karolinska cited , the "anorexia does not start out as a mental impairment.
Virus/ zoonotic virus and parasites are behind this.
Bacterial parasites - fungals - mycitoxins - all of the above.
Hard to watch. A shame.
At around 5:13 I thought Lena was doing a Coca Cola commercial.
I wonder why they didn't interview Phil Solomon, Dorothy Solomon's husband....Anyone know? Also Dorothy never mentions him.....
She is so naïve. I have known the managers of so many major stars and they would always put the well being of their artiste before anything else. This was even around the time if Lena's fame.
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If she was agent for anything, I wouldn’t accept her.
No it was most problaly her management and those closest that were supposed to be caring for her that earned a wage from her that suggested she may have Gained a few pounds that would have probably influenced her.
I would say if Karen was acting when she was talking about Lena like so intentionally honest I feel “oh, could you not show any more truthful honesty for the documentary please was that too hard for you? Couldn’t you have been more legitimate perhaps?”
With Karen Halliday talking about nobody saying anything about Lena’s weight I’m thinking “Oh yeah sure Karen” because why would Lena lie about something like that I feel and I feel like Lena wouldn’t have just said something like that as if it was a lie or anything and I bet that woman Karen knew about it anyway because I’m just wondering perhaps she said something about Lena’s weight or she knew if anyone had said something and then here with her talking she just has guilty conscience written all over her like oh of course nobody said anything because that just feels to much a week lie when she talks about that and you know how she went to the Italia Conti stage school I would have said to her “well maybe you should have gone back there to learn to lie even better because you seem to be so good at that already, lying seems to be your specialty doesn’t it and I know why you would never have been good at playing a truthful more down to earth role, because you can barely tell the truth to save your life.”
That’s what I would say, just my opinion.
I've seen another documentary about her where Jay Aston (from Bucks Fizz fame) said that she overheard at an audition it was said "nice little actress but she'll never get anywhere with a figure like that!" So who do you believe? We'll never find out for sure.😢
I don't understand her manager! She only refered to herself as Lena's manager but how about an adult who was supposed to take care of her?!
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at 4.32 the agent is lying...badly lying.... i'd call her a murderer....she's lying to block the feeling of guilt for killing this talent.....
@cayasm
@cayasm Don't stop there - tell how all the others died of anorexia while yer about it.
i dont like her managers"View"on the situation kinda of like i couldn't have helped so why try.
Typical money grabbing agent
never heard of her though
You have now
lena zavaroni manger is a bich
died of anorexia. . .
She grew into a beautiful woman....her teeth were fixed too.....