There was alot of focus of China here... bit this Delhi was absolutely outstanding.. baiting, spliting troops, cutting the lancers off, staying on top of walls economy, sacrificing spears to bait a charge then counter charging... immense player. lee could of taken the game a couple of times, but the Delhi scrambled just enough forces every time to scare him off
Crazy game! Love how Leenock split his Firelancers and charge in waves, keeping the explosion cycled. And Delhi responsed by sending small spearmen clumps as sacrificial waves. An intense micro duel, which ironically ended cause he lost the macro.
I have to love some of the commentary here. "What did your mum tell you, she said make stables son make stables", and the comments on air conditioning. It feels more like you're hanging out with a friend whos teaching you than it does a commentator dictating a professional sport. I fell in love with watching smash for the same reason and its a big part of what really pulled me in to AoE 4 despite being so bad myself. Pretty amazing game too, I was sure BlueElephanto was going to tap out almost the whole way through. I get a feeling fire lancers might be next to meet the nerf axe.
I'm always looking for underdog wins...hence Delhi win, that too coming from a fight between high ranked players is just amazing. But more than that hats off to Aussie's charged commentary that keeps us on our toes throughout the match...keep pumping in red bull there lol!!
The bug with honed blades isn't that it's time increases with scholars (that's just keeps). Honed blades has 15x research time when it should be 5x as an age 3 research.
27:16 currently you don't have to have all the mosques connected for the network, they just all give the benefit. unsure whether its intended, but its come to be known as "mosque wifi"
'G' day from Sydney. Awesome commentary Drongo. Really impressed by how quickly you release content and the high quality of your commentary. Learned so much from you brother.
I think the Delhi military population bug is related to the tower war elephants. Probably the units riding the elephants count towards the military population.
So is animation-cancelling totally fine? I have a hard time making rules for myself on online play between what is considered ok to do and what not. When I'm animation cancelling my elephants when they raze buildings it kind of feels like cheating. But then this animation cancelling with scouts should be considered cheating too.
@@stephenwolf2170 Oh it's not necesarily opposite, I'ts more like asking the community if it is considered cheating or not. The fact that the devs took out the animation cancelling for shooting deers with scouts when that became something people did often got me also confused to what their intentions are on this subject.
Unless you are Delhi or HRE, whom both suffer from bugged spearmen. Honestly the Delhi player in this game did great. But fire lancer spam vs Delhi or HRE is so absurd since they have no unit counters.
On what you said about Delhi being the underdog civ, I would say Abbasid is mostly the underdog civ that people forget is in the game. Delhi is just the weird kid
Man. That spesr bug hurts, or those fire lancers need a nerrf. Its crazy having that domoninace almost all game without walls, keeps and on 60 villagers...
I reckon compound of the defender would have been the better choice for castle age. since the men at arms were barely even used. Stone walls everywhere laugh at the firelancers. So fire lancers.. if you're building just one unit type isn't that an issue?
You counter this by flaming relic on twitter until they finally fix bracing for delhi and HRE. Oh, and mangonels. Man, I was so sad to see our Chinese player not fixing his macro all game. Good job holding on for 40 minutes with a ~40% deficit in eco. Imagine all the extra bombards he could have had. So sad.
I suspect a few war elephants would have also helped. They're bulkier and do bonus damage against cavalry, and I suspect Blue Elephant could have found a way to get them to actually engage. Still would be a hard matchup (especially once the bombards came out).
Once they fix the spearmen brace bugs, fix the delhi related bugs, and change the fire lancer blast radius to actually have...proper damage calculated based on the radius itself, this game would finally be in a quite balanced state. At the very least people now use actual army comp rather than just spamming just springalds, but hopefully Relic hurry themselves and launch the fix patch asap.
Nest of bees and fire lancers can deal with most compositions but they don't do much against elephants. Bombards can kill elephants but elephants are faster. Leenok should have made some spears, he already had the blacksmith technologies for them.
hello there drongo.. im a huge fan i love your content and i watch u on a daily bases .. ive got a suggestion about delhi in aoe4 .. u can make a trap in an outpost .. 5 elephants .. idk if it has ever been used .. im not that good of a player myself but i would like to see you do it sometime
Delhi player should have invested in war elephants earlier. They slaughter fire lancers and resist the AoE from them and Nest of Bees. If fire lancers ran away from them then even better as the elephants can simply march into base and destroy all the landmarks. Game lasted way longer than it should have.
Elephants are extremely slow and countered by bombards though. You can see in the video, with 3 bombards he two-shotted one tower war elephant. If you want to play war elephants, it is crucial to keep them hidden from scout and march towards enemy base in very large group to overwhelm them before any bombards are out.
@@henrylaz8964 I agree that bombards can counter, but that would only be possible at Age 4. The elephants could be trained in the castle age and rushed over to Chinese base when he saw his commitment to the Fire lancers and NoBs
@@user-tj5yg5pk8vBuilding Imperial Age landmark twice is not cheap, at least in 1v1. You will become extremely late to have troops and lose to critical mass if enemy know what to do.
@@user-tj5yg5pk8v The most reliable strategy on China so for is fast castle MaA + siege, follow by FL, as I know. Chinese builder can make castle age happened within 7 and half minutes.
I guess use men at arms,save the wood and apply to light cav to counter nest of bees, slowly buy surely take out nest of bees until china runs out of gold. Use more scouts to see them comming for you with the hits. I wouldnt be able to stop this, but since this is pro players id imagine its not far fetched. Or better yet make a walltrain with units on top and watch cav and nest of bees do almost nothing
oof, if his economy was a tad better he could have won that game 10-15 minutes before the end without stone walls. 1 firelancer blob running to his landmarks and it's over
The only reason fire lancers did well is because dehli spears bug meaning they cant brace and cancel the aoe damage on the charge. HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DOING THE AOE DAMAGE!
That comp is super strong but... that's about all Lee had going for him. Not the greatest strategist, let's say. On the other hand, Blue really should have been splitting more and sending in just a few spears ahead of the main force, to soak the charge damage.
Sure fire lancers are op but this was so dumb on Blue Elephants behalf. He knos his spearmen are bugged and can’t brace so why keep feeding the fire lancers? Just make other units or split them up. Fire lancers are so easy to counter and blue elephant did such a bad job.
in lower elo game, chinese is just too overpowered. The have fire lancer that can one shot a lot of building and siege equipment. To counter it, usually you build knight/spear/crossbow that gets countered then by hornet nest and zhuge nu. It become less fun when like me, i play on asia server and all these people pick chinese cause probably, theyre chinese themseves. not fun
they are totally not overpowerd, they are super squishy and mostly when you get them out, you cant harass because stone walls block them. So only thing you can do is use them in army and are easilly countered by knights and spears or mangonels.
@@sheeeeep12345 i would i agree. But like i said, in lower elo/rank/bracket, chinese is just too much to handle. And every match i get to meet them. Not as fun facing the same civ over and over again whilst i barely able to keep up
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Hi, I would really like it if you could go over the endgame stats like the timeline and stuff. I really like looking at that after the games
Agree. 2 minutes on the graphs and stats could teach us a lot.
+1
Agreed
Agree, thats a great idea.
+1
There was alot of focus of China here... bit this Delhi was absolutely outstanding.. baiting, spliting troops, cutting the lancers off, staying on top of walls economy, sacrificing spears to bait a charge then counter charging... immense player. lee could of taken the game a couple of times, but the Delhi scrambled just enough forces every time to scare him off
Crazy game! Love how Leenock split his Firelancers and charge in waves, keeping the explosion cycled. And Delhi responsed by sending small spearmen clumps as sacrificial waves. An intense micro duel, which ironically ended cause he lost the macro.
I have to love some of the commentary here. "What did your mum tell you, she said make stables son make stables", and the comments on air conditioning. It feels more like you're hanging out with a friend whos teaching you than it does a commentator dictating a professional sport. I fell in love with watching smash for the same reason and its a big part of what really pulled me in to AoE 4 despite being so bad myself.
Pretty amazing game too, I was sure BlueElephanto was going to tap out almost the whole way through. I get a feeling fire lancers might be next to meet the nerf axe.
spearman bracing bug is so brutal to delhi player
I'm always looking for underdog wins...hence Delhi win, that too coming from a fight between high ranked players is just amazing. But more than that hats off to Aussie's charged commentary that keeps us on our toes throughout the match...keep pumping in red bull there lol!!
This looks like Leenock first time using FIre Lancer and he got carried away by their power
Facts
What a crazy match. Never seen Dehli played so well.
29:46 TACTICAL NUKE on those villagers lmao. most epic nest of bees shot ive seen so far.
The bug with honed blades isn't that it's time increases with scholars (that's just keeps). Honed blades has 15x research time when it should be 5x as an age 3 research.
I don’t understand why anyone would play a civ with such a major bug.
@@AvocadoTheBugCat because.. elephants ;D
Elephants are compelling
"Do either of you know what a stone wall is" lololololol
Yeah if Lee was shooting from stone walls it would have made a lot of difference
27:16 currently you don't have to have all the mosques connected for the network, they just all give the benefit. unsure whether its intended, but its come to be known as "mosque wifi"
Now imagine if those spears could have braced!
as i saw both faction, Delhi vs Chinese, i knew this will be a lategame war.
My gosh, it was right, and the hype from your commentary was superb man!
aaaand the Delhi spearmen being unable to brace and cancel cavalry charges makes a huge difference
'G' day from Sydney. Awesome commentary Drongo. Really impressed by how quickly you release content and the high quality of your commentary. Learned so much from you brother.
I think the Delhi military population bug is related to the tower war elephants. Probably the units riding the elephants count towards the military population.
I think it's actually the fishing boats being counted as both civilian and military (due to the archer on them).
@@jasonsmith1950 That could be as well.
This is a scuffed match with the Delhi spears not bracing bug.
watching those fire lancers flatten a horde of spears hurts my soul
So is animation-cancelling totally fine? I have a hard time making rules for myself on online play between what is considered ok to do and what not. When I'm animation cancelling my elephants when they raze buildings it kind of feels like cheating. But then this animation cancelling with scouts should be considered cheating too.
I play Dota and stuffs like these are actually appreciated as a micro'ing skills. Why do we have an opposite perception here?
@@stephenwolf2170 Oh it's not necesarily opposite, I'ts more like asking the community if it is considered cheating or not.
The fact that the devs took out the animation cancelling for shooting deers with scouts when that became something people did often got me also confused to what their intentions are on this subject.
That spear bracing bug is disgusting. It's not nice to exploit that with firelancers...
so glad Dehli still won
For China, throw in hand cannon and grenadier to max explosive dmg and strengthen the comp. His walls were defensive with no economy macro.
The Nest of Bee´s reminds me everytime on the Nebelwerfer from Company of Heroes 1. They had a great sound too.
Drongo you’re such a goat! I commented yesterday that I’d like to see this matchup and idk if you saw it or not but here it is. Keep up the good work!
I miss Leenock's performance in GSL. Good to see him back at AOE4
Spearmen actually getting hit by the fire lancer charge attack if the spearmen have their torches out is a really interesting micro game.
I'm here exclusively for the Air Conditioning sub-plot.
What's Age of Empires?
"BOOM BOOM BOOM, must be the Vengaboys." Im laughing so hard LMAO
Leenocks kill to death ratio will be insane. He basically vapourised 100s of enemy units.
People weren’t just scared of Hopoate’s big hits drongo! 👍
30k views and less than 1k likes... every Drongo vid should have 1:1 views and likes in my opinion! Great vid as always
I love some of the random rants you go into, amazing video
The firelancer nest of bees combo is disgusting. The only counter i can think of are spearmen, a lot of springalds and prayers.
Unless you are Delhi or HRE, whom both suffer from bugged spearmen. Honestly the Delhi player in this game did great. But fire lancer spam vs Delhi or HRE is so absurd since they have no unit counters.
35:02 Nice
the best game ive seen so far, this was such an exciting match and i learned a lot
Linebacker is correct. They look for breaks in the line and pursue the quarterback on a blitz.
Near the end, he had to go for the less defended sacred site or he would have lost anyway.
Man, I kept waiting for the stone walls. That could've easily changed the game. Great commentary as always AussieD!
On what you said about Delhi being the underdog civ, I would say Abbasid is mostly the underdog civ that people forget is in the game.
Delhi is just the weird kid
39:30 Groundhog day
The content machine delivers again. Thank you good sir
Nice game and good comentator !!
Hapowati ?? Haven’t heard about that guy in honks hahaha
THE Leenock?? Oh my!
Man. That spesr bug hurts, or those fire lancers need a nerrf. Its crazy having that domoninace almost all game without walls, keeps and on 60 villagers...
War elephants (the melee one) are still criminally underrated imho. They do better than tower elephants against fire lancers
I reckon compound of the defender would have been the better choice for castle age. since the men at arms were barely even used. Stone walls everywhere laugh at the firelancers.
So fire lancers.. if you're building just one unit type isn't that an issue?
You counter this by flaming relic on twitter until they finally fix bracing for delhi and HRE. Oh, and mangonels.
Man, I was so sad to see our Chinese player not fixing his macro all game. Good job holding on for 40 minutes with a ~40% deficit in eco. Imagine all the extra bombards he could have had. So sad.
I suspect a few war elephants would have also helped. They're bulkier and do bonus damage against cavalry, and I suspect Blue Elephant could have found a way to get them to actually engage. Still would be a hard matchup (especially once the bombards came out).
finally a match which NoBs dont stop fireing after 2 rockests and decide to enjoy the view...
Where is blue elephanto in rank? I Didn't find anymore
Once they fix the spearmen brace bugs, fix the delhi related bugs, and change the fire lancer blast radius to actually have...proper damage calculated based on the radius itself, this game would finally be in a quite balanced state. At the very least people now use actual army comp rather than just spamming just springalds, but hopefully Relic hurry themselves and launch the fix patch asap.
Units literally named Fire Lancers
Drongo: hes like a Frost Mage
i think he meant the artillery animation
Nest of bees and fire lancers can deal with most compositions but they don't do much against elephants. Bombards can kill elephants but elephants are faster. Leenok should have made some spears, he already had the blacksmith technologies for them.
You can send tons of fire lancers. But, can you stand tons of elephants?
springalds and spears who are actually not bugged i guess, fire lancers just get destroyed by spears.
yeah, in this case they were literally being charged by fire lancers because they can't brace
hello there drongo.. im a huge fan i love your content and i watch u on a daily bases .. ive got a suggestion about delhi in aoe4 .. u can make a trap in an outpost .. 5 elephants .. idk if it has ever been used .. im not that good of a player myself but i would like to see you do it sometime
you can't put elephants in an outpost
@@RUclipsr111-p2x they removed it? It was a thing
Nock nock....who's there? Its me Dumbo x 100
fire lancers are gunpowder, atleast i feel that i have clearly seen the charge increase in range when u get pyrotechnics
Counter to fire lancer comp = spearmen. Just doesn’t work for Delhi now
Finally, vengeance for Delhi
I got a dumb question maybe lol... why don't you ever hear about AOE1 or 3? Like players are always coming from either warhammer or AOE 2?
Don't know the exact reasons, but aoe3 was not well received by the community. Everyone stayed with aoe2 since it was the better game.
There are quite a few players from AOE3 as well though and Drongo used to be an AOE3 player/caster
It would have been a different game if the delhi spear bug didnt stop them from bracing against those fire lancers.
this just shows how big the biggy spearmen are for dehli... those firelances should of been wrecked so many times had bracing worked properly
Its not overly e'fish'ent :')
delhi spear got a bug that the spears don't brace so ....
Delhi player should have invested in war elephants earlier. They slaughter fire lancers and resist the AoE from them and Nest of Bees. If fire lancers ran away from them then even better as the elephants can simply march into base and destroy all the landmarks. Game lasted way longer than it should have.
Elephants are extremely slow and countered by bombards though. You can see in the video, with 3 bombards he two-shotted one tower war elephant. If you want to play war elephants, it is crucial to keep them hidden from scout and march towards enemy base in very large group to overwhelm them before any bombards are out.
@@henrylaz8964 I agree that bombards can counter, but that would only be possible at Age 4. The elephants could be trained in the castle age and rushed over to Chinese base when he saw his commitment to the Fire lancers and NoBs
Ef-fish-ent, heh
Abbasid can wololo without relics. You can mind control whole groups with many holy people and shift click.
Delhi is so buggy the lazy villagers in New Horizons talk about them.
I like rugby :D 25:30
This game would have been like 10 minutes shorter is Dehli's spearmen weren't bugged >_
Since there is no friendly fire just build 20 Mangonels Vs that comp with knights as the vanguard
What a game that was!
ok.. the AC !!!!Here it's minus 20 lol
What a great game. Was so good to see the cheesy fire lancers lose
I dont think stone wall is that expensive for all it could pay, they really need to rethink of stone walling in the future
Always good to see Chinese FL and siege cheese lose.
It's not even cheese imo.
It's what Chinese civ have left except IO.
bcuz chinese other units r so useless, grenadier? can u even survive until ming dynasty? KEKW
@@kongou6548 12 min Ming, grenadiers are gg
@@user-tj5yg5pk8vBuilding Imperial Age landmark twice is not cheap, at least in 1v1. You will become extremely late to have troops and lose to critical mass if enemy know what to do.
@@user-tj5yg5pk8v The most reliable strategy on China so for is fast castle MaA + siege, follow by FL, as I know. Chinese builder can make castle age happened within 7 and half minutes.
I guess use men at arms,save the wood and apply to light cav to counter nest of bees, slowly buy surely take out nest of bees until china runs out of gold. Use more scouts to see them comming for you with the hits. I wouldnt be able to stop this, but since this is pro players id imagine its not far fetched. Or better yet make a walltrain with units on top and watch cav and nest of bees do almost nothing
pls dont focus on civs or player, focus on both but a great job anyway like always, keep it up 👍
commenting to push the algorithm
oof, if his economy was a tad better he could have won that game 10-15 minutes before the end without stone walls. 1 firelancer blob running to his landmarks and it's over
The no wall of China
The only reason fire lancers did well is because dehli spears bug meaning they cant brace and cancel the aoe damage on the charge. HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DOING THE AOE DAMAGE!
Make delhi great again !
nerf handcannon they said
elephant :
That comp is super strong but... that's about all Lee had going for him. Not the greatest strategist, let's say.
On the other hand, Blue really should have been splitting more and sending in just a few spears ahead of the main force, to soak the charge damage.
Feels like leenock is just trying out these units rather than try hard to win the game
Sure fire lancers are op but this was so dumb on Blue Elephants behalf. He knos his spearmen are bugged and can’t brace so why keep feeding the fire lancers? Just make other units or split them up. Fire lancers are so easy to counter and blue elephant did such a bad job.
What other units ?
just a suggestion... compressor filter
You know what this game needs? Petards.
I have never seen a player playing Chinese and win.. the heck is it that hard to play it?
"Madrassa" means "house of war." A mosque is a madrassa.
what no it doesn't. who lied to you?
mosque is a house of prayer and a madrasa is an islamic college of instruction. please don't be spewing some off the rail stuff.
@@RUclipsr111-p2x The Islamic caliphate is a theocracy. It's all interconnected with religion and governance.
Epic game
Leenock has no idea how to play with Chinese. It was sad he couldn't innovate like Elephant
CAST GRUBBY
in lower elo game, chinese is just too overpowered. The have fire lancer that can one shot a lot of building and siege equipment. To counter it, usually you build knight/spear/crossbow that gets countered then by hornet nest and zhuge nu. It become less fun when like me, i play on asia server and all these people pick chinese cause probably, theyre chinese themseves. not fun
they are totally not overpowerd, they are super squishy and mostly when you get them out, you cant harass because stone walls block them. So only thing you can do is use them in army and are easilly countered by knights and spears or mangonels.
@@sheeeeep12345 i would i agree. But like i said, in lower elo/rank/bracket, chinese is just too much to handle. And every match i get to meet them. Not as fun facing the same civ over and over again whilst i barely able to keep up
@@sheeeeep12345 There is no way you can counter fire lancers with spears in mass number (more than 10). Charge attack of fire lancers kill spears.
@@tolgatosun5675 if the spears brace the charge gets cancelled
No strat from leenock whole game
Why was Leenock throwing this game sooo hard??! Was he sick or busy with something else or anything?
Chinese is the best CIV... S Tier. The rest will catchup
He couldve won with Springals