Its easy if you follow a simple set-up: Always select the 1st option in dialogue (boss battles notwithstanding unless its a philosophical one) Go left for all questions in Tsukiji Hongwanji Go with Jonathan at the split Do not talk with the woman behind the shutters at Ikebukuro (heavily shifts alignment) Choose to destroy the status quo. Avoid doing sidequests that can shift your alignment, you can do all sidequests after being locked into the neutral route (even Mikado ones later on)
More than friend, Isabeau makes it extremely obvious she's in love with you before she kills herself. Neutral she obviously still loves you but keeps it to herself as you're kinda too busy to worry about that stuff since Angels/Demons are threatening to mess up everything.
Yes. Walter always merges with Lucifier, Johnathan always merges with the Archangels. Isabeau only lives on Neutral, Masakado and Goddess of Tokyo only revive on Neutral, and it requires the most effort to complete as well as going through each final dungeon. Flynn simply isn't needed for Law/Chaos to happen, however Neutral, and its events, cannot happen at all unless Flynn chooses his own path and goes Neutral. That and you only learn of Flynn's reincarnation and the such in Neutral.
Actually it seems Skins is referring the Flynn from his past life who sacrificed himself to save Tokyo with Masakado. Hence why Stephens and Burroughs reveal that your decisions are just like "his" and this is your "current" self.
DoubleA2015 I actually just got it yesterday on my second playthrough. I was going to just go Law then do Neutral then White but then I did all the quests and was like "F it" and went ahead with it. I only really used a guide for the blasted and Infernal tokyo parts so I wouldn't have to repeat it so my choices would be correct and I would get it.
Yes, it is also hidden quite well and can be missed rather easily as you must be between +8 to -8 Alignment after the Final +10 or -10 Law/Chaos choice.
I ended up unlocking the neutral route by accident since I gave up after seeing how complicated people made it seem online. Now I feel like a badass for getting this far lol
Isabeau also dies in Nothingness. Only Neutral does she survive and she was looking for you the entire time but only Stephen, Neutral, sends you to her. Walter and Johnathan, no matter what, always repeat their fates. Only Isabeau's can be changed.
I got neutral on my first try because picked all of the decisions I thought were right. My morality simply took that path for me.Also, what armor are you using Omega? It looks badass.
I really wanted to get this ending in my first playthough but sadly I failed. I read a walkthrough on how to get it step by step the second time around but I didn't look ahead. When I realized that killing Kenji gave you +5 to law it was too late and I got the Law ending again...URGH!
+Christopher Sluyk *sigh* I feel you. I began my 1st thru with even a notebook by following a guide, but it appears that the guide I was following didn't mention nothing of a forced +5 after defeating Kenji. Now, I'm stuck in the 'Law Ending'. Dx I mean, I spend 70+ hours trying to do the 'Neutral', so a NG+ it is scary. SHIT!!!
Leirus Zitro Me too, just yesterday, even when I said Destroy the status quo, who was suppposed to give me an alignment of -1 after ~77 hours of gameplay
Not for all SMT games... But in this case yes, Neutral fits as canon and seems to be the intended final route as it's the only one where you can actually fuse all the Fiends, end game Demons, and Red Rider being farmable for infinite Incenses. It also is much longer and takes you through each final Dungeon as well as bringing up the early plot point, the Goddess of Tokyo, as well as revealing your past life and why you're the chosen one.
You inherit the will of Past Flynn who sacrificed his life to help Masakado form the ceiling that saved Tokyo from the nukes. It's why Masakado recognized you so quickly as he sees you as the past version of you that helped him.
Goddess of Tokyo... And referring to the girl waiting for you? It's Isabeau. Burroughs is also based off the Goddess of Tokyo hence why she has her image and voice.
Oh, OK. I misread your comment, believing "girl" to refer to that little girl from the beginning, thus I thought you were saying the girl was Isabeau. Though Stephen only refers to Isabeau as a "certain someone", never as "girl".
I just got on this route, and it wasn't easy. I made myself a point guide for staying neutral during the alternate tokyo's(because no Cynical man) and it worked out on my second try. Thank the demons, I won't have to do it again. =P
I ended up with Walter. He HAD to be sacrificed for the Demon Lord... So there Walter dies. After you want to leave the building where the Yamato reactor is Isabeau will come and will say that the will not allow you to pass her since you are on the way to destroy Mikado. You have to fight her and after you defeat her she commits suicide and cut her own throat be cause she can't stand the fact that her friend has turned evil.
Thank you for uploading these dialogues; I accidentally held X all the way through them, thinking that I'd already read them and that the alignment lock hadn't happened yet hahaha
(Also, is the game trying to imply that White Issachar has part of the real Isschar in him? They ARE aggregates of human thought, and Issachar is the only one the White are based on who was dead at the time...)
True enough, though if it isn't Walter or Johnathan it makes sense it had to be Isabeau who happened to be a girl. Though yes, when he mentions girl he is talking about the Goddess of Tokyo who placed her faith in you since early in the game.
I'm not sure about the +8/-8 thing but I did spare all the hunters in one tournament and kill all the hunters in the hunter so that may be what happened with me. Anyway, for whichever you are more closely aligned you pick the opposite choice for the neutral ending in the second choice The Whites give you.
No Deathbound, but the skills Mortal Jihad and Titanomachia are good alternatives especially if you have Charge and high strength/luck/agility. On demons it might be worthwhile to give them Dragonic Reaction, High Phys Pleroma and Bloody Glee; if made right your physical attacker will nearly always crit and will destroy most enemies. My Alciel has Null Phys/Gun and all elements (except an weakness to light) plus all the above skills making him invincible, but can be killed by light magic.
Great I didn't get the Neutral path and I really wanted that path too. I'm stuck between choosing law and chaos and I didn't want either of them. Oh well
Mmm...I wouldn't say that's the case all the time though. SMT games always play around with their deities and change their purposes and roles, and they certainly need some to represent Law, Neutral, and Chaos. It's not really that all Judeo-Christian religion is evil and Japan's great, but SMT is a dark apocalyptic series with all sides having some extremities and flaws which are explored and analysed by the player.
@@Mazapan404 I'm sure you realize that it doesn't make sense and just don't think about it So akira sacrificed his life to make the dome and he also became the king of mikado, guised as aquila. Flynn is the reincarnation of aquila and nanashi is also the reincarnation of the same guy ??? Anyway, nanashi is definitely aquila's reincarnation becus aquila's gauntlet responded to him
@@mamertvonn no you idiot Flynn is the reincarnation of another guy that looks exactly the same, and is also named Flynn, he is the one that sepukkued with Masakado to create the dome. Akria is Flynn's friend, who eventually climbs up to the surface alongside Skins and Fujiwara, and decides to use the angels to create the Mikado to secure humanity's survival and eventually reunite with Tokyo
Oh, so the alignment lock isn't necessarily when you pick between Walter and Johnathan...? I saved before going to Shene Duque, and since I had to choose afterwards, I got a little worried... The Cynical Man says that I seem very polite, but that doesn't last long in Tokyo, so what are my chances of being able to bring it down to a Neutral level...?
GURGLEGUY12345 The alignment lock doesn't come into play when you pick between Walter or Johnathan. It comes into play after you beat the shit out of Kenji. If you're careful, you can balance out your alignment without too much trouble. If you choose to follow Johnathan, you can still make some choices that are more chaos-aligned, and likewise, if you choose to follow Walter, you can still make some choices that are law-aligned. Following Johnathan makes your alignment go +10, whereas following Walter makes your alignment go -10. Pushing the button on the Reactor when following Walter makes your alignment go -5. (You have to do this, by the way.) Pushing the button on the reactor when you're at Blasted Tokyo also makes your alignment go -5. When you push the button when you're in Infernal Tokyo, it makes your alignment go +5. Given that, I said more chaos-aligned things when I was in Blasted Tokyo, and said some law-aligned things when I was in Infernal Tokyo. Then, when it the time to make the choice, I decided to go toward lawful. So yeah, that helps with going onto the Neutral path. Though admittedly, I consulted a guide throughout the entire playthrough to make a short-term plan toward going on the Neutral path.
You know the waifu is worth keeping if she's the Neutral Route representative
Unlike the Law Route representive Zelenin
YES MA BOE, waifu is laifu
Personally i respect Isabeau for staying true to her values, and even fight flynn if he chooses law or chaos, props to her.
Well its better then the heroine from smt 1 with becomes a giant doll with no personality after you save her
whites before the decision: BECOME THE MESSIAAAAAH!
whites after the decision: YOU AND YOUR MESSIANIC TENDENCIES!
totally not hypocritical at all.
Masakado is a bro. Everyone else is like "COMMIT SUICIDE FOR MEEEEEEEE" and Masakado is like "Hey, make the world less shitty."
Instead of “commit suicide for me” how about “DIE FOR ME”
Stephen is a bro too. He totally supports you getting the girl and even sets you up to work even closer to her.
Neutral is the hardest ending to obtain for a reason. It's worth it.
fucking sucks that it's hidden behind a hidden value. I was aiming for it and still don't get it
Its easy if you follow a simple set-up:
Always select the 1st option in dialogue (boss battles notwithstanding unless its a philosophical one)
Go left for all questions in Tsukiji Hongwanji
Go with Jonathan at the split
Do not talk with the woman behind the shutters at Ikebukuro (heavily shifts alignment)
Choose to destroy the status quo.
Avoid doing sidequests that can shift your alignment, you can do all sidequests after being locked into the neutral route (even Mikado ones later on)
Ima do this thank you I've played it about 6 times and still can't get neutral if it's wrong fuck you bro😂😂😂
@@isisjnddhahhsjss5597 so is it wrong?
@@isisjnddhahhsjss5597 yeah, is it?
It's right
Yep he was right it worked
I like Flynn and Isabeau together
Ah.. this is when Krishna appears.
In another universe/alternate timeline, yeah.
More than friend, Isabeau makes it extremely obvious she's in love with you before she kills herself. Neutral she obviously still loves you but keeps it to herself as you're kinda too busy to worry about that stuff since Angels/Demons are threatening to mess up everything.
six years later
but i agree
She was even willing to kill herself so that her death wouldn't be on your hands
that's why samurais shouldn't fall in love with their comrades
isabeau when will u learn?
at least neutral flynn is the best for her
@@superbegeeta8000 I blame the manga
@@superbegeeta8000 nah
"Ah...you have reincarnated" like that's such a casual thing for him. The equivalent to "long time no see", "it's been awhile"
“You took your sweet time getting your soul into another body”
"While I have to get into my old, torn apart body!"
Yes. Walter always merges with Lucifier, Johnathan always merges with the Archangels. Isabeau only lives on Neutral, Masakado and Goddess of Tokyo only revive on Neutral, and it requires the most effort to complete as well as going through each final dungeon.
Flynn simply isn't needed for Law/Chaos to happen, however Neutral, and its events, cannot happen at all unless Flynn chooses his own path and goes Neutral. That and you only learn of Flynn's reincarnation and the such in Neutral.
"Permit me to stay with you..." Hell yes ma'am!
Actually it seems Skins is referring the Flynn from his past life who sacrificed himself to save Tokyo with Masakado. Hence why Stephens and Burroughs reveal that your decisions are just like "his" and this is your "current" self.
omg Isabeau's happy face
i cant even
pls
this felt like a nightmare to get to
MrBracchidios I hear that Neutral routes in all SMT games are very finnicky to get on.
DoubleA2015 Rightfully so. I mean, they're the best endings.
TylerDaDragon I'm actually trying to get nuetral on my current playthrough. I got Law and Chaos on my first and second playthroughs respectively.
DoubleA2015 I actually just got it yesterday on my second playthrough. I was going to just go Law then do Neutral then White but then I did all the quests and was like "F it" and went ahead with it. I only really used a guide for the blasted and Infernal tokyo parts so I wouldn't have to repeat it so my choices would be correct and I would get it.
TylerDaDragon First playthrough, I got Law because (I think) I did too many sidequests. I even sided with Walter.
The neutral route always feels so right. Also the Neutral route leaves the feeling of a link to the past SMT games.
Yes, it is also hidden quite well and can be missed rather easily as you must be between +8 to -8 Alignment after the Final +10 or -10 Law/Chaos choice.
This game was AMAZING!!
Best route by far.
Also, Isabeau's alive!
2:26
The White:"What do you think you can do, leaving this world intact...?"
Omega: "...I could destroy you?"
The White: "..."
Nicodapeek2 Z
I ended up unlocking the neutral route by accident since I gave up after seeing how complicated people made it seem online. Now I feel like a badass for getting this far lol
Isabeau also dies in Nothingness. Only Neutral does she survive and she was looking for you the entire time but only Stephen, Neutral, sends you to her. Walter and Johnathan, no matter what, always repeat their fates. Only Isabeau's can be changed.
Isabeau is so cute. And those ears! *swoooon*
I got neutral on my first try because picked all of the decisions I thought were right. My morality simply took that path for me.Also, what armor are you using Omega? It looks badass.
He is the reincarnation of the one who helped make the ceiling above Tokyo.
war between angels and demons...DAMMIT THE APOCALYPSE
I really wanted to get this ending in my first playthough but sadly I failed. I read a walkthrough on how to get it step by step the second time around but I didn't look ahead. When I realized that killing Kenji gave you +5 to law it was too late and I got the Law ending again...URGH!
Christopher Sluyk At least you weren't _too_ neutral to get the Neutral Route/Ending.
+Christopher Sluyk *sigh* I feel you. I began my 1st thru with even a notebook by following a guide, but it appears that the guide I was following didn't mention nothing of a forced +5 after defeating Kenji. Now, I'm stuck in the 'Law Ending'. Dx I mean, I spend 70+ hours trying to do the 'Neutral', so a NG+ it is scary. SHIT!!!
Leirus Zitro Me too, just yesterday, even when I said Destroy the status quo, who was suppposed to give me an alignment of -1 after ~77 hours of gameplay
Wait killing Kenji gives you Law Points? Thats why I couldn’t get the Neutral Ending!
Killing Kenji gives you +5 to law but destroying Pluto doesn't give you +5 to chaos?
It's so obvious she has a crush/is infatuated with Flynn.
You are right, he never asked for a sacrifice.
Whether angel or demon, all shall be cut down by the Son of Man. God, Lucifer, prepare yourselves!
I want to give Isabeau a great big hug
No, Stephen talks about the Goddess of Tokyo and Isabeau. Isabeau is the person waiting for you that Stephen sends you to after you defeat the Whites.
SMT rule :
law & chaos = good ending
natural = true ending
Not for all SMT games... But in this case yes, Neutral fits as canon and seems to be the intended final route as it's the only one where you can actually fuse all the Fiends, end game Demons, and Red Rider being farmable for infinite Incenses. It also is much longer and takes you through each final Dungeon as well as bringing up the early plot point, the Goddess of Tokyo, as well as revealing your past life and why you're the chosen one.
It's Stephen, he's the badass of the series.
4:05 - Is that a reference to the whole plot point with Flynn and Masakado?
Gotta love the neutral route :)
You inherit the will of Past Flynn who sacrificed his life to help Masakado form the ceiling that saved Tokyo from the nukes. It's why Masakado recognized you so quickly as he sees you as the past version of you that helped him.
Goddess of Tokyo... And referring to the girl waiting for you? It's Isabeau.
Burroughs is also based off the Goddess of Tokyo hence why she has her image and voice.
Oh, OK. I misread your comment, believing "girl" to refer to that little girl from the beginning, thus I thought you were saying the girl was Isabeau.
Though Stephen only refers to Isabeau as a "certain someone", never as "girl".
Sucks to be Walter and Johnathan still.. But Isabeau alone makes this route so much better than the others.
is this the canon ending? cause it sure as hell seems like it lol
It is
Considering what happened in Apocalypse. It's kinda is
Interesting route so far.
I just got on this route, and it wasn't easy. I made myself a point guide for staying neutral during the alternate tokyo's(because no Cynical man) and it worked out on my second try. Thank the demons, I won't have to do it again. =P
Great Chalice of Hope? Well, it's better than the Great Chalice of Friendship.
I ended up with Walter. He HAD to be sacrificed for the Demon Lord... So there Walter dies. After you want to leave the building where the Yamato reactor is Isabeau will come and will say that the will not allow you to pass her since you are on the way to destroy Mikado.
You have to fight her and after you defeat her she commits suicide and cut her own throat be cause she can't stand the fact that her friend has turned evil.
just got it, thanks omega for these vids
I too feel the same way. Getting the neutral path is really hard.[without the strategy guide].
Glad this is here. I did the neutral route and got pissed with the challenge quests taking literally forever. Going to start apocalypse now
The girl appeared way earlier in the game. I don't believe she's Isabeau since they both met in Naraku when the samurai were on a mission there.
Good luck with those sidequests. Especially the one with the four devas.
the young man they referring too is the protagonist of the very first SMT game on the snes
Law is even worse... Neutral really is the way to go.
Thank you for uploading these dialogues; I accidentally held X all the way through them, thinking that I'd already read them and that the alignment lock hadn't happened yet hahaha
Yay! I got neutral! I just wanted to make sure with this video. Thanks for the upload.
O_O Wha?! I didn't know that must have missed that part then.
Isabeau. Bitches love Isabeau.
(Also, is the game trying to imply that White Issachar has part of the real Isschar in him? They ARE aggregates of human thought, and Issachar is the only one the White are based on who was dead at the time...)
Isabeau will live!
Thanks for the upload. My friend borrowed my game and lost it. I wish I could have played this route as I got every other ending. Oh well.
+PiratesoftheNorth78 buy it now and finish it before smt iv final arrives!
That Katana, it's indeed the one Masakado holds, atleast his model from Persona 4 holds it :v
True enough, though if it isn't Walter or Johnathan it makes sense it had to be Isabeau who happened to be a girl. Though yes, when he mentions girl he is talking about the Goddess of Tokyo who placed her faith in you since early in the game.
Kinda did the same thing, only I found out how hard it was before the first reactor trigger. Then I number crunched to try to get the Neutral.
Next video please, can't wait.. D:
He's not the only bro, though! The Neutral path has all the bros!
I'm not sure about the +8/-8 thing but I did spare all the hunters in one tournament and kill all the hunters in the hunter so that may be what happened with me. Anyway, for whichever you are more closely aligned you pick the opposite choice for the neutral ending in the second choice The Whites give you.
So If I dont see Stephen atter pressing the button, that means that i missed the neutral route. Is that correct?
Yes
They are the bad thoughts and despair of humanity. Burroughs mentions this when your fighting the last one.
I'm giving up and just watching this after failing to get neutral for the third time lmao
No Deathbound, but the skills Mortal Jihad and Titanomachia are good alternatives especially if you have Charge and high strength/luck/agility. On demons it might be worthwhile to give them Dragonic Reaction, High Phys Pleroma and Bloody Glee; if made right your physical attacker will nearly always crit and will destroy most enemies. My Alciel has Null Phys/Gun and all elements (except an weakness to light) plus all the above skills making him invincible, but can be killed by light magic.
Just your time as you have to complete a bunch of quests first. Though I had a head start, I was second place at the beginning of the quest. =P
Im liking the neutral route. :)
Isabeau will live. YEESH ! YEEEESH !
Great I didn't get the Neutral path and I really wanted that path too. I'm stuck between choosing law and chaos and I didn't want either of them. Oh well
Isabeau dies if you get Law or Chaos.
Too late for me to get neutral on my current file. Guess i'll wait until i make a New Game+ file to balance out my "allignment"
Okay that sucks but at least one friend is alive.
Question: when they say Flynn reincarnated from someone, do they mean the protagonist of the first game?
No, the past flynn that created the dome
Yes its late I know
Anyone that even thinks about sending Isabeau away is a cruel person that doesn't deserve Neutrality!
Mmm...I wouldn't say that's the case all the time though. SMT games always play around with their deities and change their purposes and roles, and they certainly need some to represent Law, Neutral, and Chaos. It's not really that all Judeo-Christian religion is evil and Japan's great, but SMT is a dark apocalyptic series with all sides having some extremities and flaws which are explored and analysed by the player.
lol I got the law path...I wanted the neutral one :X
Omega's character look kinda reminds me of a Power Ranger... sorry i had to point that out lol
Isabeau is a very very very very very good girl
No, he is the reincarnation of Aquila, the guy who made the giant dome around Tokyo.
I'm sure that's Nanashi
@@Mazapan404
I think Nanashi is the reincarnation of Akira
Akira is Aquila
@@Mazapan404 I'm sure you realize that it doesn't make sense and just don't think about it
So akira sacrificed his life to make the dome and he also became the king of mikado, guised as aquila. Flynn is the reincarnation of aquila and nanashi is also the reincarnation of the same guy
???
Anyway, nanashi is definitely aquila's reincarnation becus aquila's gauntlet responded to him
@@mamertvonn no you idiot
Flynn is the reincarnation of another guy that looks exactly the same, and is also named Flynn, he is the one that sepukkued with Masakado to create the dome.
Akria is Flynn's friend, who eventually climbs up to the surface alongside Skins and Fujiwara, and decides to use the angels to create the Mikado to secure humanity's survival and eventually reunite with Tokyo
I ship them
I also ship those 2
+Kai Vang Flynn (protagonist) and isabeau right?
I never knew Omega had a heart full of neutrality....
"A certain young man"? Who is that?
i had gotten this on my first try blind cuz i wanted to complete every quest and not kill anyone in tokyo lol
i didnt know how hard that was til later
I know. That is what I meant with friend. But I said it really bad.
Manga, Isabeau living.... What's not to like? Incredibly hard bosses coming up?
...... I hope not.
Isaaaabeeeeaaaauuuuuuuuu (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ
all the smt games are like that
Who's the girl that Stephen is talking about?
Wait, whose will did you inherit again? who does Stephen refer to? Aleph?
Past Flynn who created the dome
I only thought that there were 2 paths in this game.
PCveteran117 4
I've played this game like eight times and can't get neautral☹️😂
Oh, so the alignment lock isn't necessarily when you pick between Walter and Johnathan...? I saved before going to Shene Duque, and since I had to choose afterwards, I got a little worried... The Cynical Man says that I seem very polite, but that doesn't last long in Tokyo, so what are my chances of being able to bring it down to a Neutral level...?
GURGLEGUY12345 The alignment lock doesn't come into play when you pick between Walter or Johnathan. It comes into play after you beat the shit out of Kenji. If you're careful, you can balance out your alignment without too much trouble.
If you choose to follow Johnathan, you can still make some choices that are more chaos-aligned, and likewise, if you choose to follow Walter, you can still make some choices that are law-aligned.
Following Johnathan makes your alignment go +10, whereas following Walter makes your alignment go -10. Pushing the button on the Reactor when following Walter makes your alignment go -5. (You have to do this, by the way.) Pushing the button on the reactor when you're at Blasted Tokyo also makes your alignment go -5. When you push the button when you're in Infernal Tokyo, it makes your alignment go +5.
Given that, I said more chaos-aligned things when I was in Blasted Tokyo, and said some law-aligned things when I was in Infernal Tokyo. Then, when it the time to make the choice, I decided to go toward lawful. So yeah, that helps with going onto the Neutral path.
Though admittedly, I consulted a guide throughout the entire playthrough to make a short-term plan toward going on the Neutral path.
Haha getting the Neutral ending is not going be easy I give about 2 - and 4 or + so eah don't know about what ending i'm going to get now.
what is the theme that plays from 12:00-15:00?
YAY, Isabeau won't die this time! :D