@TrentBourland I mean it does but just remember, heroic intervention doesnt give you charge bonuses. So it does, but you don't get the big bonuses out of it. Compaired to the Assault intercessors still getting reroll atleast 1s.
One thing i noticed, now Titanic Knights give +1 VP in total each if destroyed, but, Armigers and Wardogs now give 2VP instead of 3VP, since now you have to destroy something of 15W or higher to get the first +2, instead of destroying something 10W or higher to get the first +1 previously.
If I was running endless swarm I'd just roll with 19 unit squads to not trigger it. I can deal with one less gaunt in the few bricks of 20 I do bring and just remove that mission from the game. Perhaps keep one qualifying unit in the very very back so they can't re-draw. 19 gargoyles and a winged prime is plenty considering how much frustration this will cause for my opponents scoring.
@@thehiddenheretic I decided to do them one better and just run 60 gargoyles as 6 units of 10 each, and a 22 Neurogaunt unit in the back so not only can they not score the rule on my swarms, they can't pitch it as I have a 22 squad in a huddled mass on my home. Now I'm not even cheesing the fucking rule I'm literally playing as intended.
A little late to the comment party, but I'm just going to throw it out there for Marines players that Drop Pods are eligible to perform actions thanks to having OC2. Did a test game with one of these with a unit of Blade Guard, Lieutenant and Ventris inside, Rapid Ingress deep strike deploy and the pod stayed on the objective to do secondaries and it was SICK. Ventris giving Deep Strike on my Aggressors in Turn 2 just made board control so much easier than in many of my most recent games.
This couch set up with the dark color tones and "gamer" lighting is really cozy. I like it. You guys should keep having Jack wear exotic t-shirts for these lol. Just to clash with the vibe.
Great video but Am I crazy or did you only go over 16 of the 18 secondary missions? Area Den, Assassination, Behind, Bring, Cleanse, Containment, Cull, Defend, Extend, Engage, Locus, Marked, Prisoners, Recover, Sabotage & No mans land, What ones am I missing?
Never gets old seeing myself in the sponsor video (insert Leo pointing meme), Keep up the good work gents, had a few games with new missions and have enjoyed so far!
2 Thoughts about Explosives Primary: - you can’t kick on a model, which means you can moveblock the objective with infiltrators - taking an action now limits shooting and stuff which might be helpful for the opponent.
For Bring it down on Crisis. You can remove the shielddrone then the they just got 12 hp all together and then it is just 2 victory points per unit + 2 for the commander. So if you kill 2 units of crisis it is just 8 points.
My opinion on "fixing" Unexploded Ordinances: Make it so that if a kicked objective lands on a unit/model is causes d3 MWs. This causes damage to units that only kick it straight back and forth. Will cause some kicking at minor to extreme angles to avoid a damaging kickback. Thoughts?
for scorched earth. you can now burn more than one in no mans land. so burning more in no mans land makes it so you can push hard into their half. correct me if this is not a change
Burden of trust says the guard scoring happens at the end of each PLAYERS turn, not the opponents turn ;) much easier to score the extra 2. Edit: Nevermind it says the opponent of the active player actually scores the points 😆
@@redthunderboar1323 eh, not so sure bout that, best current list runs 10 armiger, if the opponent manages to chew through that the secret mission is our smallest problem :D
Please center your faux neon sign please. Pretty please. Good luck this season. I just wished we had Pariah coming back to Necrons with this card pack. I miss those dudes!
The bring it down change is HUGE for T'au. Would you be running Crisis teams with shield drones on 2 of the models instead of all 3 to keep them at 2VP each? Lots of rhino rush armies laughing, little knights etc One thing you brushed over was the threshold changes. Lots of stuff that was 3 just went down to 2 because it had 10 or 12 or 14 wounds. edit: had a think, it's good that 90 point models like bloat drones and rhinos don't hemmerage 3 but C'tan at 2VP is silly. Maybe the threshold should be 12? It'd also mean that stuff like say... pirahnas doesn't suddenly go from 2VP at 2 models to 6 at 3. The additional thresholds are quite close together.
I dont think GW really thought through the skipping deployment for titanic models thing. Sounds ok for something like, Chaos Knights running 3 titanic knights for some reason, but what about Necrons? Who can take 2 monoliths, and by virtue of being necrons, still have about 1000 units on the table, each time they drop a monolith I have to drop 2 units.... seems a bit scuffed.
Also, not being to OW in turn 1 seems a bit much. Especially with less distance between deployment zones. Not being able to OW something like... World Eaters running down your throat top of turn 1. Or with the clarification on the Turn 1 Deep Strike rules, not being able to OW those units when they set up, or even something like Death Wing Terms with Turn 1 DS.... ugh.
Siegler mentions about not being able to deploy understrength units. I thought I had heard this too but have scoured the rules and not found the rule. Anyone else know where it is?
@@ArtofWar40k I found the closest ruling to this and it’s in the MFM. Top paragraph. It states that you can take any number of models between the min -max available however you have to pay for the max. (Or points bracket you are in). Based on this you can pseudo state that you cannot take a unit below the min starting size.
I hate that they ditched actions from 9th to 10th. It was much easier and if they had it in the core rules from the start of 10th, they could have included abilities and stratagems that let units do action and shoot.
Am I reading this wrong? 20+ means everything ABOVE 20 or does it include 20? If not then Secondary mission card: Cull the horde's first condition is not achievable ever? There's no unit in any army that has a baseline starting strength of 21 models, without attached characters. It caps out at 20 models. Mission as written I'd assume it's 20 AND higher, but this is one of those cases where a little writing edit immediately would clear confusion.
To Jacks concern about understrength unit, the rules commentary clarifies the starting strength is determined when you add it to the army so even a 19 man that paid for 20 counts as starting at 20, time to hunt some bugs
That doesn't mean what you think it means. The first paragraph of the MFM specifies that unit size is a RANGE and that you just pay the same cost for any unit in that range. So I can pay 120 points for anywhere from 11-20 Termagants, for example, and choose the number 19 when they are added to my army. I paid for 19, since 19 is from 11-20 and I pay 120 for anything in that range. I expect this will get FAQ'd though, to target units with strength of 11+ for Cull.
Just as a counter.. I love them both! Especially Qyentins lore videos.. Means I get all my 40k content from one channel instead of having to watch one of the other lore channels who I tend not to like.. The familiarity is nice.
@@drdotts8878 I completely mis read the initial comment and thought it was RUclips shorts! It way only on seeing this that I realised my mistake. I also don't mind the shorts . Florida is hot!! 😂😂😂
This set is so cheaply made with the glue on plastic sheets of brick, I'm waiting for the Pizza delievery boy to come and they have no money to pay him. How ever can we make this up to you?? start the music
The army painter blast woke me up for sure.
Woke up at 3am..guess I’ll watch
10am here in Madagascar.
I was still up 12am love hawaiu time guess who didn't get much sleep
With Scorched Earth, the burn can be started and completed on Turn 5, where as with the current version you can't (as the burn never completes).
Heroic for free with battleline = heavy breathing in wardogs and ragnar+assault intercessors.
It's actually insane considering this includes Khorne Berzerkers lololol
Does this count for blood claws with Ragnar too? That's what I've been using
@TrentBourland I mean it does but just remember, heroic intervention doesnt give you charge bonuses. So it does, but you don't get the big bonuses out of it. Compaired to the Assault intercessors still getting reroll atleast 1s.
@@travismahon7959 bro its gonna be crazy for any BL unit with fights first, berzekers, deathwatch veterans
@zaganim3813 the judiciar may see play again. Also heroic doesn't give charge bonuses.
Thanks Jack and Seigs
One thing i noticed, now Titanic Knights give +1 VP in total each if destroyed, but, Armigers and Wardogs now give 2VP instead of 3VP, since now you have to destroy something of 15W or higher to get the first +2, instead of destroying something 10W or higher to get the first +1 previously.
Thx for the great insights!
Btw, the volume of this video is a bit low...
I keep re-watched this video over and over. Good job guys thanks for all the work 👍
Thanks again for the review. This is certainly news!
If I was running endless swarm I'd just roll with 19 unit squads to not trigger it. I can deal with one less gaunt in the few bricks of 20 I do bring and just remove that mission from the game. Perhaps keep one qualifying unit in the very very back so they can't re-draw. 19 gargoyles and a winged prime is plenty considering how much frustration this will cause for my opponents scoring.
Rule design shouldn't make people want to execute a soldier pre game for an advantage lol, fucking hell dev team
Came to post this, FK. Well said.
FAQ incoming
@@Waagghhboy for basic editing errors
@@thehiddenheretic I decided to do them one better and just run 60 gargoyles as 6 units of 10 each, and a 22 Neurogaunt unit in the back so not only can they not score the rule on my swarms, they can't pitch it as I have a 22 squad in a huddled mass on my home. Now I'm not even cheesing the fucking rule I'm literally playing as intended.
A little late to the comment party, but I'm just going to throw it out there for Marines players that Drop Pods are eligible to perform actions thanks to having OC2. Did a test game with one of these with a unit of Blade Guard, Lieutenant and Ventris inside, Rapid Ingress deep strike deploy and the pod stayed on the objective to do secondaries and it was SICK. Ventris giving Deep Strike on my Aggressors in Turn 2 just made board control so much easier than in many of my most recent games.
This couch set up with the dark color tones and "gamer" lighting is really cozy. I like it.
You guys should keep having Jack wear exotic t-shirts for these lol. Just to clash with the vibe.
Ok, I read fast but rather see the cards longer than the smoking lounge at AoW HQ..
Fog of war is the new chilling rain.
Raise Banners is interesting because it gives you VP even if you don't get anything for holding your home objective.
Great video but Am I crazy or did you only go over 16 of the 18 secondary missions?
Area Den, Assassination, Behind, Bring, Cleanse, Containment, Cull, Defend, Extend, Engage, Locus, Marked, Prisoners, Recover, Sabotage & No mans land, What ones am I missing?
Overwhelming force & Storm hostile objective
Never gets old seeing myself in the sponsor video (insert Leo pointing meme), Keep up the good work gents, had a few games with new missions and have enjoyed so far!
2 Thoughts about Explosives Primary:
- you can’t kick on a model, which means you can moveblock the objective with infiltrators
- taking an action now limits shooting and stuff which might be helpful for the opponent.
This is gonna take some major list redesign for factions without cheap or efficient battle line units.
Excited to retrieve some data like the good ol days
For Bring it down on Crisis. You can remove the shielddrone then the they just got 12 hp all together and then it is just 2 victory points per unit + 2 for the commander. So if you kill 2 units of crisis it is just 8 points.
This is helpful. I'm coming back to the game at this version of 10th edition. I'm glad these things have improved just in time for me to play them.
Secret missions might be a little too easy for some armies to achieve. Like Command Insertion and War of Attrition scream Grey Knights
I agree , seems to favor killy armies that can move fast
My opinion on "fixing" Unexploded Ordinances: Make it so that if a kicked objective lands on a unit/model is causes d3 MWs. This causes damage to units that only kick it straight back and forth. Will cause some kicking at minor to extreme angles to avoid a damaging kickback. Thoughts?
for scorched earth. you can now burn more than one in no mans land. so burning more in no mans land makes it so you can push hard into their half.
correct me if this is not a change
Fantastic video, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Can't wait to start playing the new missions!
Burden of trust says the guard scoring happens at the end of each PLAYERS turn, not the opponents turn ;) much easier to score the extra 2.
Edit: Nevermind it says the opponent of the active player actually scores the points 😆
So nice, we watch it twice or tres!
Rapid escalation with war dogs....nice. Also how does that work with huron? Alpha legion detachment would be huge board control.
As a IK main, i love all of this (aside from the fixed part of adapt or die).
It does seem to be a big buff to IK indirectly. I think only the Secret Objective where killing the enemy's Battleline is a defect for us.
@@redthunderboar1323 eh, not so sure bout that, best current list runs 10 armiger, if the opponent manages to chew through that the secret mission is our smallest problem :D
@@Alais_NorizaXIV which might be one of our forces adaptations. Either that or get a Crusader with AoC and put them in the middle, lol.
@@redthunderboar1323 just pray we get our proper bondsmen back in the opcoming dataslate and warden with mytic hero gonna be great
Thank you gentlemen. As always super insightful and applicable
Please center your faux neon sign please. Pretty please. Good luck this season. I just wished we had Pariah coming back to Necrons with this card pack. I miss those dudes!
Crisis suit units only give up 4VP each. If you take fewer shield drones then they only give 2VP each.
Thanks guys!
The bring it down change is HUGE for T'au. Would you be running Crisis teams with shield drones on 2 of the models instead of all 3 to keep them at 2VP each? Lots of rhino rush armies laughing, little knights etc
One thing you brushed over was the threshold changes. Lots of stuff that was 3 just went down to 2 because it had 10 or 12 or 14 wounds. edit: had a think, it's good that 90 point models like bloat drones and rhinos don't hemmerage 3 but C'tan at 2VP is silly. Maybe the threshold should be 12? It'd also mean that stuff like say... pirahnas doesn't suddenly go from 2VP at 2 models to 6 at 3. The additional thresholds are quite close together.
100% drop down to 14 wounds. you go from 8 currently for crisis commander unit down to 4.
great review but I can't help but laugh at how comically large those chairs are - Dr.Siegler looks like boss baby sitting in that chair lol
So bring it down on a unit of 3 crisis suits with shield drones give 4 points and another 2 points for killing the commander?
Good riddence to Stand in the Corner and Listen to the Radio (investigate signals). Could never get decent points off it.
we just played burden of Trust and realized that its wierd. player one scores the "guarding" part one time more then player two.
Wow! Did you pay two CP for that Army Painter interrupt 😂
I dont think GW really thought through the skipping deployment for titanic models thing. Sounds ok for something like, Chaos Knights running 3 titanic knights for some reason, but what about Necrons? Who can take 2 monoliths, and by virtue of being necrons, still have about 1000 units on the table, each time they drop a monolith I have to drop 2 units.... seems a bit scuffed.
then again you know where the monoliths are from the getgo and can position to destroy them
Thank you, AoW. Any info on terrain layouts?
Also, not being to OW in turn 1 seems a bit much. Especially with less distance between deployment zones. Not being able to OW something like... World Eaters running down your throat top of turn 1. Or with the clarification on the Turn 1 Deep Strike rules, not being able to OW those units when they set up, or even something like Death Wing Terms with Turn 1 DS.... ugh.
If you manage to battle shock a unit that doing an action that completes in their next command phase does it fail?
Well, Cleanse is now bad in Ritual. You have to start on the objective where in the Ritual you could create and Cleanse
Are Tau going to be able to guide and do an action?
Looks to still be that way
Siegler mentions about not being able to deploy understrength units.
I thought I had heard this too but have scoured the rules and not found the rule.
Anyone else know where it is?
It was from 9th ed and I cant find it in 10th
@@ArtofWar40k I found the closest ruling to this and it’s in the MFM. Top paragraph.
It states that you can take any number of models between the min -max available however you have to pay for the max. (Or points bracket you are in).
Based on this you can pseudo state that you cannot take a unit below the min starting size.
On the battlefield, how does that interact with transports with 10 2 wound bodies in them?
Thanks so much guys!
No mention of new redeploy units step? Seems liek you have to do scout moves before you know who has first turn now?
Scout is in the core rules and is done after the roll for turn 1.
I hate that they ditched actions from 9th to 10th. It was much easier and if they had it in the core rules from the start of 10th, they could have included abilities and stratagems that let units do action and shoot.
Am I reading this wrong? 20+ means everything ABOVE 20 or does it include 20? If not then Secondary mission card: Cull the horde's first condition is not achievable ever? There's no unit in any army that has a baseline starting strength of 21 models, without attached characters. It caps out at 20 models.
Mission as written I'd assume it's 20 AND higher, but this is one of those cases where a little writing edit immediately would clear confusion.
"20+" means "20 or higher"
I hope you haven’t been counting 3s as fails on your power armoured saves, and misses on your 3+ BS models.
Ouch grey knights that's gonna hurt
You said that there is 18 secoundary missions now. But you only list 17, is one missing or?
I think they missed storm hostile objective
It's possible I missed one. I only had about 25 minutes between students to time stamp this video yesterday.
If you guys throw a pillow on those chairs they won’t make you look so small in them, will push you up further.
Are primary points capped per turn now in 10th?
Only on some missions
@@ArtofWar40k Cheers!
you can scorch all 3 no mans land for 15.
What the hell does “drawish” mean?!
Results in close almost drawn or even games
Are they the same size as the old mission deck? Just asking in case I need to buy some new card sleeves.
Leviathan: 66 Cards
Pariah Nexus: 69 Cards
He asked about size and not quantity.
@@aXzSpor I did, but it also helps to knowthe number. Hope someone knows the size too though.
But thanks though :P
the 12 inch change to dawn of war is bollocks. advance and charge melee armies just gonna crush you even easier.
Just got a realy good demon enginge detachment and they already are trying to ruin my fun😢
Deploy Homers was 2 in the centre for fixed... Im looking at the card right now 😂
Thanks for going through the deck, excited for a new season!
It got change to 3 in the rules commentary or faq long time ago
Assets is way less interactive than old mid homers. Wow
My idea for a Penitent Host army going into this season:
Palatine w/ Catechism of Divine Penitence
10 Repentia
Rhino
Preacher w/ Verse of Holy Piety
10 Arco-flagellants
Rhino
Preacher w/ Psalm of Righteous Judgment
10 Arco-flagellants
Rhino
5 Battle Sisters
Immolator
5 Battle Sisters
Immolator
5 Battle Sisters
5 Battle Sisters
3 Arco-Flagellants
5 Repentia Squad
5 Repentia Squad
2 Mortifiers
2 Mortifiers
1 Mortifier
2 Penitent Engines
2 Penitent Engines
1 Penitent Engine
Keeping skulls is absolutely bat shit... 😊
uncapped horde and BiD are the only thing i dont like out of this!
To Jacks concern about understrength unit, the rules commentary clarifies the starting strength is determined when you add it to the army so even a 19 man that paid for 20 counts as starting at 20, time to hunt some bugs
That doesn't mean what you think it means. The first paragraph of the MFM specifies that unit size is a RANGE and that you just pay the same cost for any unit in that range. So I can pay 120 points for anywhere from 11-20 Termagants, for example, and choose the number 19 when they are added to my army. I paid for 19, since 19 is from 11-20 and I pay 120 for anything in that range.
I expect this will get FAQ'd though, to target units with strength of 11+ for Cull.
For the Algorithm!!!
Prefer talking head format. Thanks for covering things in this depth. (Edited-apologies for any offence, none meant).
Just as a counter.. I love them both! Especially Qyentins lore videos.. Means I get all my 40k content from one channel instead of having to watch one of the other lore channels who I tend not to like.. The familiarity is nice.
But deffo agree this type of content needs to be long form
Imagine waking up fresh on a Saturday morning and being mad at a guy for wearing shorts. I’m here for the missions idk what tf you’re here for.
@drdotts8878 our first recording had Jack in a speedo with a tuxedo shirt.
@@drdotts8878 I completely mis read the initial comment and thought it was RUclips shorts! It way only on seeing this that I realised my mistake. I also don't mind the shorts . Florida is hot!! 😂😂😂
This set is so cheaply made with the glue on plastic sheets of brick, I'm waiting for the Pizza delievery boy to come and they have no money to pay him. How ever can we make this up to you?? start the music
Not a fan of this style, feels like I’m watching an 80s talk show