In this day and age cars like this Subaru BRZ tS, the Toyota GR 86 and the Mazda Miata are gifts to the sports car enthusiast. The fact that these sports cars have smaller, light weight engines that produce as much power as V8s in the past is not lost on me. In a world dominated by SUVs and car companies being pressured to electrify everything, these light weight, 6 speed manual pocket rockets are a breath of fresh air and I hope to own one one day. Again, great work MotorWeek.
I must be the only person that prefers Subaru/Toyota don't chase horsepower numbers. Keep it NA, simple, light-ish and relatively cheap, in the same spirit as classic sports cars or the Miata. Momentum cars are more fun than stomp the gas pedal to make up for poor cornering skills type cars.
Anthony, You are not alone. Most people who have driven a BRZ appreciate the advantage of lightweight for handling. Adding a turbo would change the nature of the car. Adding more power would likely require a taller engine which would mess up the center of gravity. A more powerful and heavier car would be far less fun to drive on real roads. It might win more stop light drag races and be better for top speed at a track but it would be less fun.
@@Andrew-zs5tc yup, 6.1 0-60 is plenty quick for having a good time on backroads, and you don't even have to commit felonies to access the cars limits.
@@szn1580If you live near fun roads (or do track or auto-x), it is amazing to drive. Just enough power from a responsive 7400 rpm NA engine paired with a lightweight, balanced chassis and RWD/LSD. As a former track instructor, it's the kind of chassis I'd recommend to students to grow and develop skills on - it offers the tools to teach you everything you need to know about driving fast and finding the limits. Gas is premium only. My average gas mileage is poor (high teens), but my driving is probably not representative. I've seen other owners baby their BRZ/GR86's and get 26-28 mpg. I do my own maintenance so I don't know dealer costs, but all the basic maintenance is easy other than spark plugs (also not hard, just more involved than on typical I4 engines due to flat-4 design). Oil is normal synthetic 0w20. Would recommend 5w30 for any serious driving (0.5q overfill if you track). If you have a good mechanic who works on Japanese cars, maintenance should be pretty cheap. Overall it's one of my favorite cars. Of cars I've owned and/or tracked, I'd put the 2nd gen BRZ in my top 5 (along with the s2000, e46m3, 987.2 Boxster S and 986 Boxster S).
@@szn1580cheap to own. I’m getting 26mpg mixed right now. Oil change costs $40 if you do it yourself. Filters on rock auto are cheap. If you keep the car stock they’re inexpensive to own.
Ha, "carnival barker style!" I grew up watching Motorweek on PBS every week as a kid. It was one of my favorite shows. What I've come to realize, especially in comparison to the new crop of "CarTubers" is that MW is no longer must-see TV for me.
Man I owned the first gen scion frs back when it first came out, and loved it! Man it was a fun car to enjoy driving. It wasn’t fast! But that didn’t matter to me, it was still quick enough for me, and handled like it was on rails! Boy I really miss the car now! The reason I got rid of it! Was at the time I was living in Chicago, and on the winter months I couldn’t drive it, it was to dangerous to travel to work and back home. The car didn’t have no weight, so every time I would shift a gear, I would end up sliding sideways and around in a circle! I almost killed my self in one of the occasions! And working one hour away was difficult for me to miss days from work! So I ended up trading it for a Jeep Wrangler after 2 years of ownership. And now that I’m retired and living it Arizona, I wish I have it here! So I love what Toyota and Subaru are doing with both of this car’s. Keeping it fun and somewhat affordable to buy!
Love that John Davis is still at it. I remember watching his reviews of the new 92 Viper, the Typhoon, the 93 Cobra R, etc… Saturday morning eating breakfast while watching some Motorweek (and Scooby Doo) is still the best 😂
Really glad these cars exist and am looking forward to seeing where the manufacturer and aftermarket go from here. I currently drive an ap2 s2000 but will be looking to buy the final edition of this car a couple years from now.
I ordered on in the Spring and am still waiting for it. It should not be long now. I have been told that I should have it next month (September). I can hardly wait!
Subaru Knocked it out of the park in the performance upgrades. Further dialing in a drivers car is a win! Should have come with a cool rear wing though and gold or silver wheels.
The best one of these to buy is a manual, base, with a limited slip differential.. That's it.. Then after market everything you want to make it what you want on the track..
Looking at that engine bay, the engine sits back nice and far as a RWD car should. Meaning that the 2.0 turbo (tuned for say 300 horsepower) from a Lexus IS300 would fit in here quite nicely. Or grab an older one a throw in say a turbocharged Honda K20 perhaps. 😁
Subaru is really tugging at the STi owners heartstrings with those gold brembos. Have to give them credit especially with the blue interior accents as well.
I enjoyed it, it was certainly fun to drive ....but in the end, I spent a bit more money and went for the 2024 WRX instead. The feel and responsiveness of all that low and mid end torque, the acceleration, modern interior and tech and the ability to get some hockey bags in the trunk and rear seat in the end moved my money to a 2024 WRX top-spec Sport-Tec 6speed.
I’m curious if I’d notice the difference between this and my 23 limited on the road? I’ve never felt the regular BRZ was lacking in any department, and I’m glad my 23 doesn’t have that eye sight stuff. Those brakes do look awesome though…🤔
Yeah, I think the brakes and suspension package alone make this a worthwhile upgrade. I don't think you could do those things on your own for the premium they are charging.
@@ragweedmakesmesneezesupposedly there will be a conversion package available at dealers for the brakes, but can’t imagine it will be cheap if it does happen.
@@ragweedmakesmesneezewouldn’t make any difference to me. I’ve driven this thing all over the country, including on the tail of the dragon, Cherohala Skyway, Iron mountain road and the mountain roads around Yellowstone, not once did could I unsettle the car no matter how hard I pushed it. Now if I were to track the car, I’m sure it would be a whole different ball game.
And they’re crap. Hyundai had monobloc Brembos on the Genesis coupe 15 years ago. I had an STi at the time and I was floored at how much better brake feel in my buddy’s Genesis was. I’d rather get a lightly used BRZ and put some real track-worthy Stoptechs and adjustable Ohlins on it.
I agree with every word of this video except the title. The best BRZ is the one in the driveway. For some the automatic is the perfect car (not me). For me, the 2023 Limited Manual is the best BRZ. I don’t need the extra track stuff from the TS and prefer the lack of eyesight that was added in 2024.
On the streets, people that i run into seem to want more power as they routinely try to run me in my cammed 4th gen. Had this car come with a turbo, they might be able to have some fun on the street. The roads in the city are mainly straight, so all that cornering isnt impressive when taking the exit ramp and track days are super expensive.
I am firmly in the camp that feels a big turbo'd engine would ruin the fun factor of this car... you can't push it with an engine like that unless you want a speeding ticket every other day
So basically parts bin brakes and shocks? That seems like a lot of nothing and things that anyone who is willing to modify their car would do with better aftermarket components.
Very much true actually. By the base model, AP racing brakes, quality coilovers, lighter wheels and some Bride or Recaro seats. That setup would gap the TS by huge margins around a circuit.
@@RedC63AMG I'm personally partial to OMP seats, pedal covers and steering wheels. They have been proven in rallying and other motorsports for decades.
Again as said before when both Subaru and Toyota released this car over a decade ago. Subaru needs a turbo version, and Toyota needs a Supercharged version. Just my 2 cents.
4:25 - Stop lying to yourselves and viewers. Literally everyone who reviews the BRZ says something along the lines of 'it would be great if this car had more power, but it doesn't really need it.' If everyone says they want more power in the car, then the car needs more power. This car is a 250cc motorcycle for car enthusiasts. If all you want is the style, you buy this thing. But if you actually want to learn how to get everything out of a car, you'll drive this thing for about six months then you'll be hunting for more power.
this car has always needed more power.. tS stands for too slow. saying go aftermarket for mods is copium. doesn't need stupid power I get it, but its too slow.
@@allentoyokawa9068 not really no specially with an engine that cant take right turns unless u just buy it to pose and rice it out this cars have been the biggest disappointment with us actual track goers i almost Bought one luckily went the miata route
That's a lot of letters for the same boxer motor that nobody likes or wants. They have an opportunity to partner with Toyota and release a reliable, lightweight, and powerful 4 cylinder, but they continue to keep going with the same motor it's always had. And that's why I'll continue to stay far away from this car.
It’s 2024 and my ‘13 Accord V6 sedan commuter is still faster than this sport coupe. Subaru’s reluctance to add power is baffling. It is a good car that would sell better if given a chance.
@@MegaEdge777 its not about racing, its about Subaru’s refusal to add power to the BRZ. The BRZ is better driver’s car by a long shot so if Honda could drop an existing high horsepower motor in a family sedan , why won’t Subaru do the same for its coupe where it would be way more useful and appreciated?
@@2011joserNot every car has to be optimized for stoplight drag races on big four lane roads in hick towns that go past the Walmart and the Applebee's.
This car is a joint venture with Toyota, if the BRZ gets more power the same engine goes in the GT86 which would take sales away from the Celica. That's business, if you want more power you pay more and get the next car up.
Have you driven one? If not I agree there are a lot of better options if you only look at spec sheets. Honda and Acura don’t sell a lightweight low center of gravity sports coupe.
Hilarious considering the Civic Si & Type R are both turbocharged. And front wheel drive. And the Type R is $10k more than the BRZ. EDIT: Oops the Integra and TLX are turbo too. Which non-turbo did you have in mind?
In this day and age cars like this Subaru BRZ tS, the Toyota GR 86 and the Mazda Miata are gifts to the sports car enthusiast. The fact that these sports cars have smaller, light weight engines that produce as much power as V8s in the past is not lost on me. In a world dominated by SUVs and car companies being pressured to electrify everything, these light weight, 6 speed manual pocket rockets are a breath of fresh air and I hope to own one one day. Again, great work MotorWeek.
To be frank, I would rather see these cars live and commuter ones get replaced by EVs.
You misspelled “Hair stylist”.
My 2014 Fiesta ST with a stage two Cobb Tune and sticky Michelin Pilot Sport tires, I can hang with all the cars you just mentioned. The Fiesta Flash
@@Chewygsxr and your point is?
@@ruturaj47 he bought the wrong car.
John Davis the GOAT of MotorWeek! Always tune in for a car review like no other!
A true Legend!
I must be the only person that prefers Subaru/Toyota don't chase horsepower numbers. Keep it NA, simple, light-ish and relatively cheap, in the same spirit as classic sports cars or the Miata. Momentum cars are more fun than stomp the gas pedal to make up for poor cornering skills type cars.
I agree. There is aftermarket if you want more power.
both toyota and subaru have advanced 4wd turbocharged machines, lets keep the brz/86 simple, NA and RWD.
Anthony, You are not alone. Most people who have driven a BRZ appreciate the advantage of lightweight for handling. Adding a turbo would change the nature of the car. Adding more power would likely require a taller engine which would mess up the center of gravity. A more powerful and heavier car would be far less fun to drive on real roads. It might win more stop light drag races and be better for top speed at a track but it would be less fun.
@@Andrew-zs5tc yup, 6.1 0-60 is plenty quick for having a good time on backroads, and you don't even have to commit felonies to access the cars limits.
@@anthonydietmeier65246.1 is fast for a 4 cylinder that's impressive! V8s use to do 0-60 in 6 seconds come on people 😂
I've got a 2nd gen BRZ and it's such a great car to drive at the limit. Throwback to legendary JDM machines like the S2000 and FD RX7.
How fun is it to drive? How’s gas? Premium only? How slowly or fast does it burn. What’s the costs like for repairs and oil? It’s my dream car
@@szn1580If you live near fun roads (or do track or auto-x), it is amazing to drive. Just enough power from a responsive 7400 rpm NA engine paired with a lightweight, balanced chassis and RWD/LSD. As a former track instructor, it's the kind of chassis I'd recommend to students to grow and develop skills on - it offers the tools to teach you everything you need to know about driving fast and finding the limits. Gas is premium only. My average gas mileage is poor (high teens), but my driving is probably not representative. I've seen other owners baby their BRZ/GR86's and get 26-28 mpg. I do my own maintenance so I don't know dealer costs, but all the basic maintenance is easy other than spark plugs (also not hard, just more involved than on typical I4 engines due to flat-4 design). Oil is normal synthetic 0w20. Would recommend 5w30 for any serious driving (0.5q overfill if you track). If you have a good mechanic who works on Japanese cars, maintenance should be pretty cheap. Overall it's one of my favorite cars. Of cars I've owned and/or tracked, I'd put the 2nd gen BRZ in my top 5 (along with the s2000, e46m3, 987.2 Boxster S and 986 Boxster S).
@@szn1580cheap to own. I’m getting 26mpg mixed right now. Oil change costs $40 if you do it yourself. Filters on rock auto are cheap. If you keep the car stock they’re inexpensive to own.
@@dillon_r_hansenhow fun are they
@@szn1580 that’s just a silly question haha. RWD, LSD, lightweight, manual gearbox is fun everytime.
Short, sweet and to the point. Not every car needs a 15-30 minute review.
lol, love the good old fashioned carnival barker style car reviews, keep it going!
Ha, "carnival barker style!" I grew up watching Motorweek on PBS every week as a kid. It was one of my favorite shows. What I've come to realize, especially in comparison to the new crop of "CarTubers" is that MW is no longer must-see TV for me.
Man I owned the first gen scion frs back when it first came out, and loved it! Man it was a fun car to enjoy driving. It wasn’t fast! But that didn’t matter to me, it was still quick enough for me, and handled like it was on rails! Boy I really miss the car now! The reason I got rid of it! Was at the time I was living in Chicago, and on the winter months I couldn’t drive it, it was to dangerous to travel to work and back home. The car didn’t have no weight, so every time I would shift a gear, I would end up sliding sideways and around in a circle! I almost killed my self in one of the occasions! And working one hour away was difficult for me to miss days from work! So I ended up trading it for a Jeep Wrangler after 2 years of ownership. And now that I’m retired and living it Arizona, I wish I have it here! So I love what Toyota and Subaru are doing with both of this car’s. Keeping it fun and somewhat affordable to buy!
Just took delivery of my 2024 BRZ to. It will sit in the garage beside my Miata and BMW.
Love that John Davis is still at it. I remember watching his reviews of the new 92 Viper, the Typhoon, the 93 Cobra R, etc… Saturday morning eating breakfast while watching some Motorweek (and Scooby Doo) is still the best 😂
Subaru had Hitachi wave their magic wand over the suspension calibrations...
Testers keep complaining about the earth moving while driving the new tS.
Those are impressive numbers for a NA 4 cylinder. What a great sports car.
Last of the Japanese drift machines.
Excellent episode this morning! Cudos! Overdrive was the best. Keep em comin crew!
Subaru should put that engine and transmission in the new Crosstrek Wilderness. Are you listening Subaru?
Is the 2.5L in the Crosstrek Wilderness not the same? Or like a relative to that engine?
They have an FB25 I believe. And this motor needs to make it's way in the impreza rs. With a 6 speed @@wsgut123
Really glad these cars exist and am looking forward to seeing where the manufacturer and aftermarket go from here. I currently drive an ap2 s2000 but will be looking to buy the final edition of this car a couple years from now.
Glad they've improved the acceleration from the first gen
I ordered on in the Spring and am still waiting for it. It should not be long now. I have been told that I should have it next month (September). I can hardly wait!
It’s very simple. Keep the standard BRZ in the lineup as it is. Then offer the STi variant with the turbo four. Problem solved. Everyone is happy.
Have they fixed the oil starvation issues that arose on previous years while being used on the track?
Second this.
Nope. The solution is to K-swap it. 😂
900brz seems to have fixed it on his car.
Nope they absolutely haven’t
900BRZ released the video of solution, and it's bigger oil pan.
Maybe the perfect car? Naturally aspirated and a manual transmission equipped coupe.
Subaru Knocked it out of the park in the performance upgrades. Further dialing in a drivers car is a win! Should have come with a cool rear wing though and gold or silver wheels.
Put down the pipe.
? You’re not into drivers cars?
The best one of these to buy is a manual, base, with a limited slip differential.. That's it.. Then after market everything you want to make it what you want on the track..
Looking at that engine bay, the engine sits back nice and far as a RWD car should. Meaning that the 2.0 turbo (tuned for say 300 horsepower) from a Lexus IS300 would fit in here quite nicely. Or grab an older one a throw in say a turbocharged Honda K20 perhaps. 😁
The old gt86 had Coyote V8 swaps. If someone really wants to they can probably fit a V8 in a GR86
If you switch to Toyota - 2.5L is the choice
If it had a turbo,then the Wrx,Sti platform would see a loss of sales. Same reason the Crosstrek will never get one.
There is no STI anymore, meaning there’s no STI sales…which shows you have no idea what you’re even talking about.
Theyll add an entire roll cage and take the back seats out before adding 10 more horsepower.
Subaru is really tugging at the STi owners heartstrings with those gold brembos. Have to give them credit especially with the blue interior accents as well.
Much easier to get into and out of compared to previous model.
My dream car
It looks better in blue, WR blue in particular, than in any other color.
I enjoyed it, it was certainly fun to drive ....but in the end, I spent a bit more money and went for the 2024 WRX instead. The feel and responsiveness of all that low and mid end torque, the acceleration, modern interior and tech and the ability to get some hockey bags in the trunk and rear seat in the end moved my money to a 2024 WRX top-spec Sport-Tec 6speed.
I’m curious if I’d notice the difference between this and my 23 limited on the road?
I’ve never felt the regular BRZ was lacking in any department, and I’m glad my 23 doesn’t have that eye sight stuff. Those brakes do look awesome though…🤔
Yeah, I think the brakes and suspension package alone make this a worthwhile upgrade. I don't think you could do those things on your own for the premium they are charging.
@@ragweedmakesmesneezesupposedly there will be a conversion package available at dealers for the brakes, but can’t imagine it will be cheap if it does happen.
@@ragweedmakesmesneezewouldn’t make any difference to me. I’ve driven this thing all over the country, including on the tail of the dragon, Cherohala Skyway, Iron mountain road and the mountain roads around Yellowstone, not once did could I unsettle the car no matter how hard I pushed it. Now if I were to track the car, I’m sure it would be a whole different ball game.
Parts bin GD STi (I) brake calipers.
And they’re crap.
Hyundai had monobloc Brembos on the Genesis coupe 15 years ago. I had an STi at the time and I was floored at how much better brake feel in my buddy’s Genesis was. I’d rather get a lightly used BRZ and put some real track-worthy Stoptechs and adjustable Ohlins on it.
@@EUC-lid Genesis is junk
@@allentoyokawa9068 Yet, better brakes than anything Subaru has ever released. Weird.
You say Zee while I say ZED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Carry on Mr. Davis.🥶
It's Z. 😉
I'd love to see a 300+HP Toyota i4 in these things. Then there'd be REAL fun.
BRZ Taylor Swift
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any think about ZL1 please
Love John Davis.
I agree with every word of this video except the title. The best BRZ is the one in the driveway. For some the automatic is the perfect car (not me). For me, the 2023 Limited Manual is the best BRZ. I don’t need the extra track stuff from the TS and prefer the lack of eyesight that was added in 2024.
Lost me at no engine upgrades.
If it made more power it would explode, this is subaru we are talking about lmao
Which RWD sports car adds a higher performance version and it's only a $2600 difference??? 😂 these new RUclips carguys aren't very bright
@@ftr911drvrso make it $4k more. Those broke RUclips guys aren’t very bright.
None of you have ever been on a track. No auto x racing or road racing. It’s easy to see.
It really would be a winner with a turbo Toyota 4 pot. I don't want that boxer 🗑️
Nicer with each new iteration, but also more expensive. I don't see this one nor the Toyota version very much anymore.
They only ship about one per county in the US per year and they are sold before they show up at the dealership.
If I’m going to install wide body, turbo, and air ride which 2024 BRZ should I get
Love it! Want it. 😆 yes more HP
Did they put a new oil pan since the stock one would cause the engine to knock after a few hard turns?
3:30 Nice!
36k for this or a used c6 z06....the choice is yours
What do you think about swapping out the original exhaust of a BRZ ts for an Invidia Q300 Cat Back exhaust?
Imagine this 2.4 LT engine turbocharged 😮😮😮
Hopefully they addressed the excess RTV issue and oil starvation on the track.
Why no turbo?
Better check the replacement price on those shocks if you plan to buy and not lease this car. You might be unpleasantly surprised.
I would buy factory parts for suspension, if it blows then it gets ohlins.
On the streets, people that i run into seem to want more power as they routinely try to run me in my cammed 4th gen. Had this car come with a turbo, they might be able to have some fun on the street. The roads in the city are mainly straight, so all that cornering isnt impressive when taking the exit ramp and track days are super expensive.
I am firmly in the camp that feels a big turbo'd engine would ruin the fun factor of this car... you can't push it with an engine like that unless you want a speeding ticket every other day
I looked at one of these, but no convertible and no sunroof made it an easy decision to buy a Miata.
No boot and or storage space and a very cramped interior ruled the MX5 out for me.
This car would be so sick with a GR Corolla turbo 3cyl making 300hp.👌🏽🔥🔥
im not gonna hold i think you may see one soon
And how much are they charging for this $25k car? 🤔
I've asked the same question to just about every automaker on the planet. Still waiting for answers.
Factor in the inflation, then it's cheaper.
Needed at least 270 HP
And fix those oil consumption issues as well.
No Buy.
Subaru/Toyota, quit screwing around and give us the 3 cylinder turbo
Guys, just buy a Supra if you want more power.
“Just buy a more expensive car bro “ lmao I love the supras tho. You own one?
Just get both. And an additional Z4/Miata combo for top down motoring.
Grip And Rip
nice
John Davis 2024!
So basically parts bin brakes and shocks? That seems like a lot of nothing and things that anyone who is willing to modify their car would do with better aftermarket components.
wrong
Very much true actually. By the base model, AP racing brakes, quality coilovers, lighter wheels and some Bride or Recaro seats. That setup would gap the TS by huge margins around a circuit.
@@RedC63AMG I'm personally partial to OMP seats, pedal covers and steering wheels. They have been proven in rallying and other motorsports for decades.
Awesome
Again as said before when both Subaru and Toyota released this car over a decade ago. Subaru needs a turbo version, and Toyota needs a Supercharged version. Just my 2 cents.
Needs at least 600 horsepower V8 with AWD also make it an SUV
oil pressure dropping....lol
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Sadly, this car still has the wrong engine. It REALLY needs the new Toyota 3 cylinder from the Yaris/Corolla GR.
4:25 - Stop lying to yourselves and viewers. Literally everyone who reviews the BRZ says something along the lines of 'it would be great if this car had more power, but it doesn't really need it.' If everyone says they want more power in the car, then the car needs more power. This car is a 250cc motorcycle for car enthusiasts. If all you want is the style, you buy this thing. But if you actually want to learn how to get everything out of a car, you'll drive this thing for about six months then you'll be hunting for more power.
this car has always needed more power.. tS stands for too slow. saying go aftermarket for mods is copium. doesn't need stupid power I get it, but its too slow.
But can you turn right??? Lol
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Pathetic they didn’t add 40-70hp to this car
36k lol
and? That is cheap and worth every penny
@@allentoyokawa9068 troll
@@allentoyokawa9068 not really no specially with an engine that cant take right turns unless u just buy it to pose and rice it out this cars have been the biggest disappointment with us actual track goers i almost
Bought one luckily went the miata route
It lost it's unique styling.
That's a lot of letters for the same boxer motor that nobody likes or wants. They have an opportunity to partner with Toyota and release a reliable, lightweight, and powerful 4 cylinder, but they continue to keep going with the same motor it's always had. And that's why I'll continue to stay far away from this car.
Disappointing again
tS is a gimmick. Brake upgrades dont make it an STI wannabe
Don't care.
Toyota's 86 looks much better Imo
Just give us a turbo version now, then call it an STI.
Still slow af
It’s 2024 and my ‘13 Accord V6 sedan commuter is still faster than this sport coupe. Subaru’s reluctance to add power is baffling. It is a good car that would sell better if given a chance.
So if you raced this car, you would be doing over 99mph in the 1/4, or go as fast around any turns, or be as balanced and fun to drive?
@@MegaEdge777 its not about racing, its about Subaru’s refusal to add power to the BRZ. The BRZ is better driver’s car by a long shot so if Honda could drop an existing high horsepower motor in a family sedan , why won’t Subaru do the same for its coupe where it would be way more useful and appreciated?
@@2011joser - the horsepower in the BRZ is fine as-is.
@@2011joserNot every car has to be optimized for stoplight drag races on big four lane roads in hick towns that go past the Walmart and the Applebee's.
This car is a joint venture with Toyota, if the BRZ gets more power the same engine goes in the GT86 which would take sales away from the Celica. That's business, if you want more power you pay more and get the next car up.
Give this car more power Jesus
The official car of 28 year old manlets.
Ouch
Old fossil John Davis is definitely not throwing anything like this into corners, he's probably driving around in a 1999 Lincoln Towncar
still plain and underpowered.
It's always been missing an attractive drivetrain for me. If I want non-turbo, I'm buying a Honda/Acura, not a boxer 4 from Subaru.
Have you driven one? If not I agree there are a lot of better options if you only look at spec sheets. Honda and Acura don’t sell a lightweight low center of gravity sports coupe.
Hilarious considering the Civic Si & Type R are both turbocharged. And front wheel drive. And the Type R is $10k more than the BRZ.
EDIT: Oops the Integra and TLX are turbo too. Which non-turbo did you have in mind?
Where can you buy a brand new Honda na 4 lol
I need an AWD version, so I can keep driving it in snow.
Get winter tires and you will be fine until you don’t have enough ground clearance.
Buy WRX. Its turbocharged too for that extra power.
I 2nd the snow tires comment. I live in central Iowa and had no issues driving it in the winter. Ws90s FTW!
Will sell like hotcakes no doubt
you're such a homer
228 hp.....yep screams, I need more power....
This car is the Apple of cars. All hype with features the competition had for the last 5 years. Pass.
The BRZ needs a supercharger that has at least 500 hp plus! Otherwise, it a no buy!😮 The current BRZ’s 0-60 is in the 6s!😂
This is a sports car, not a straight line performance car.