Russia's Experiment Turned Wild Foxes Into Pet Dogs in 60 Years
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2025
- In 1959, a Soviet scientist did something that would change our understanding of evolution forever.
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So what you're saying is... reducing stress in life leads to a longer life, more play and laughter and fluffier cheeks. We should take note!
Sadly, it doesn't make their piss smell better.
It also seems to lead to a character less able to properly function in a natural habitat. This character is the idiot of another species that has gone through these changes before and is now directing these changes in other animals.
I was genetically bred I am stressed by nothing act like a child and hysterical laugh at everything and my face looks like a bulldog
no. what they are saying is that aliens had come to Earth and taught some monkeys how to draw on cave walls.
well i mean idea not that new, theyt started lookin into it about a century earlier....🔎
A pet Fox = A cat living in a dog's body with a dolphin's voice.
I had a fox as a pet. I always said they had the agility of a cat & brains of a dog
@@tarnishedknight730 👍👍👍👍🤣✅
That is the best description I've ever heard!
the voice cracked me up, lol
@dianecernak7130 that's a crashout
@@youtubehatestruthtellers8065 to bad i'll take the penalty.....
Our rescue cat has mastered a doorbell for coming in the house. She likes to watch westerns with me at night. She has learned to pressure my wife to get her to tell me to feed our cat extra food. One of her best tricks is to wink at us with one eye to get what she wants. My wife is Swedish speaking, and I am English speaking, our cat is able to understand both languages. This cat is a master of manipulation.
I have a rescue cat and he understands so much of what we say! I've had other cats over the years & cats are intelligent in general, but this boy 'takes the cake!" Oh, yes, PuzzCat knows how to 'wrap us around his fluffy paw!"
He also likes to watch tv and Y.T. videos and will ask for the tv or computer to be turned on. 😻 🖥📺 😸
Puzz especially enjoys wildlife docos and videos featuring cats.
I guess we will see 🦊watching 📺& 💻on the video update?! 🤩
BTW, as a child I raised a chick (it grew to be an enormous & fierce black 🐓. Henry would sit on the doorstep & watch Westerns on TV and get so excited about gun fights! 🤣🤠
However, if the movie featured "cops & robbers" instead, he wasn't interested. He was just obsessed with Westerns!
I'm curious how you ended up marrying someone you can't speak with? Lol
@@TheTurpin1234 Their cat is their interpreter ! Lol! 😸🎓
Cats (and chickens) are way smarter than most people realise. As for the training, it is "meh, I'll do it if I want to, otherwise go suck an egg" (cats and chickens equally). One thing I noticed about birds, they pick up language in about two seconds. It takes dogs and cats much more repetition.
Yep just yep!!!😻😺😸😿🙀😽😼😾
I had a house in a fairly remote wooded area and there were animals that came along that liked to show off their newborns. Mostly it was deer, but we saw it in raccoons and squirrels also.
They came to depend on humans being peaceful and offering food and interest in them. That peaceful loving behavior is magnetic to humans and animals.
You may be Veinemöjnen's grate grandson
they know that predators stay away from humans
How do you know they showed them off?
@@alteriusnonsit6124 When they go against their natural or instinctual behavior, like the deer who bring their babies that are still suckling, or a squirrel bringing their babies when there is still snow on the ground. Besides that, totally anecdotal observations on known visitor's behavior. There is usually a stiff step as they walk past while staring at you intently until you remark about what a beauty their child is, I swear I can see the chests puff out.
The idea that it took "thousands of years" to domestic wolves is sheer speculation; perhaps it took far less time than that.
@itzakehrenberg3449
Maybe a couple of generations.
I remember a tv show decades old where this particular individual I think was a wildlife observer where he recorded the packs of dogs turned feral at a rural junkyard. There was a pecking order from alpha to zeta (the most bullied dog) and the zeta were friendly but cautious towards the observer. The alphas and other dogs never approached or allowed the observer to approach them.
Human intreaction pushed a bit for Selective breeding, this experiment is absolute selective breeding and is expected to accelerate the rate of Gene selections and Changes (I do not belive in Evolution but I belive in Selective breeding)
big agree. it's hard to believe most of the mainstream narritives from these groups any more, they've been lying for so long that we should have a high level of skeptisism regarding their claims.
@@AresydatchStill likely didn't take that long, at least for the behavioral changes. Even soft tissue changed like different patterns and colors and floppy ears prolly took only a couple hundred years at the very most to come.
This applies to our entire history. Historians love to expand on events in the past. Meanwhile, in the present, everything happens very quickly.
Imagine in the future, a normal house hold family includes not only Cats and dogs but also domesticated foxes
They would probably just look like dogs. I wonder if they could interbreed with normal (wolf-descended) dogs. Probably not, but it would be interesting to put the two together and see what happens.
I am waiting for domesticated bears 😅
Bro, we've had that already along with a multitude of different animals.
My mom had a possum that was potty trained and walked on a leash
@@bxdanny i allready heard that some dogs have cyyottee and foxes in them but most them are wolfs.
Broke my heart to see the mesh steel cages they are living in
now it looks way better than 10 years ago 💀
I wonder if Sapiens (our species) are a domesticated version of neanderthals or denisovans.
Probably the other way round . Everywhere Neanderthal genes are more peace prevails.
wow i thought the same
What makes you think we are domesticated ?
k@@DanielAdlington
We are FUBAR.
That's not very intelligent.
Who domesticated Neanderthals?
The Africans?
Do you think you were domesticated and bred?
You're own human breeding experiments failed miserably, didn't they?
It's interesting how they lose the longer muzzle which is adapting to the bowl its eating out of. No need for narrow snout to penetrate surfaces.
Domesticated humans have developed shorter snouts too.
A diet of meat reinforces the jaw and develops stronger teeth that do not need to be forced back into position as the jaw fails to develop properly in omnivores and vegetarians.
Foxes are beautiful. I love fennec foxes. Some people have them as pets. They can use the litter box too.
Not a good pet though. You need to provide what a zoo would for it to not live an unfulfilled miserably uncomfortable life.
@@AndyTomT im not sure you are right about that..I knew a canadian who had a pet wolf..He saved a tiny cub after its mum was hit by a car. It grew up like a dog..a really big dog slept on the bed etc live to around 11 or so...just because the fox is a pet doesnt mean its miserable and uncomfortable
Yes, but just like our domestic pets, they will start eating the wrong diet like us and have bad health. Something beautiful about them being wild.
@@AndyTomT My cats can leave at any time - they always return.
@@crissummer4058 the diet depends on what we feed them, We can feed them the species appropriate diet, and avoid a host of issues.
Most interesting video among I've seen in 2025.
This is my favourite silver fox domestication video. This rekindles my faith in humanity. While we are all spiritual beings, we seem to interface with others through genes at this
level of our development. Aarre Peltomaa of Mississauga, Ontario
Genesis 1:26,
"Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.".
Really, because it's wrong
@@peteroleary9447hilarious bahahahaha 😂
@@peteroleary9447seek help
Now just think of what happened to all the baby foxes that were a bit too scared, agressive, etc and didn't make the cut.
Im surprised to see these "domesticated" foxes in such small cages in 2025 😢 @16:40
The small cages you are from the late 50's and 60's
So you haven't seen Fauci's beagle experiments then?
@@bobkelley8291 Did you mean something like, 'The small cages you - see in the video - from the late 50's and 60's'?
I hope that the present scientists house their animals in better cages.
Well, have u even SEEN a pet store?!? They’re the EXACT same! Only a few days ago, I saw an abandoned one! With LOADS of animals in it! Two tiny lil kittens (too cute to pute) came up to me from the glass door with pleading eyes. I rly wanted to take them, but my mum said no. I’m only 11. So instead we talked to the vets right next to them…
So there. There IS a possibility that they could be in cages! But…
Yes, after ALL THAT, I’ve been to Russia to see these foxes and they were not in fact in cages. They had their own little cubes to play around in.
Hoped both this AND that helped!
BTW, the ‘all caps’ is just how I’m saying rn. Not mad or smth! 😅
A lot of the foxes in these videos inside of the mesh cages were being born and bred to be skinned alive for fur trading. Kinda awful.
This was so cool. Thank you for the content.
Those cages are HORRIBLE for their feet!
I know - but they are not heavy and they have 4 feet - hope the pads are tough.
horrible for my feet too
Not so, their feet are well-padded naturally (to sustain sharp rocks in the dirt, spacing between the wire also doesn't require extra dexterity to traverse and they don't get caught in it) and it makes it easier to muck the cages which prevents them from getting seriously ill.
I saw a documentary about this years ago, but I forget until I found this. I believe it was a woman who did this same experiment. It is truly fascinating! You said it was usual for a dog to show off their pups. Not true in my experience. My German Shepherd loved to show off her puppies. If you came to visit, she would insist that you come to admire her babies. Her only rule was that she had to supervise! My immediate family was the exception. We were the only ones who she trusted to be alone with her pups.
It's still unusual, unusual doesn't mean impossible. A few dogs will want to show off their babies, but most dogs will try to shield their puppies with their bodies when they are over a month old.
I had a pair of cats, sisters. They both had kittens around the same time. One of the cats came and stole the kittens from the other cat, who was freaking out about it. I eventually figured out what happened, but I couldn't tell which kittens were which, so I just grabbed a few and brought them to the other cat. Eventually, both cats started to share the kittens, as they likely couldn't tell which were which either. I know this goes against all currently accepted truths about kittens, who are supposed to only have a particular nipple, that they always go back to. It's not true, as each kitten would go to either mom for feeding.
Another interesting kitten feeding story I have is: I would often have previous generations of cats, that had been kittens. One day I came outside and a mom was feeding her current generation of kittens. But also there was a giant male cat, laying beside the other kittens feeding on the mom, who was twice as small as the male cat. He had been a kitten like 2 generations before these current kittens. I laughed so hard. lol
When I was a kid, about four, and our dog had her pups, I was the only one she would let near them. And yet I was the youngest of three kids.
I once had a therianthrope that would only allow my girlfriend to play with it! True story!
Some dogs show different behaviours depending their owners. Showing off puppies is definitely an unusual behaviour for foxes though.
This is fascinating. I hope the study continues.
I hope they get bigger cages...
They're fur foxes, not pets, AFAIK.
@@GizzyDillespee In current state those foxes, are domesticated and intelligent creatures, nobody needs fur anymore, breeding animals for fur is disgusting, and defies everything that real humans aim to be.
I think this shows that it DID NOT take thousands of years to be domesticated
Did not take dogs…..
yes it did. This was someone with the resources to focus on doing just that using the knowledge we already know. In the past they were starting from scratch, and they didn't have endless resources to keep breeding and feeding more and more dogs. By the time people had the resources to breed as a hobby or for science it had been thousands of years.
That's a great thought because when dogs were domesticated a long time sgo, they were not needed as pets but for very specific tasks. Therefore the selective process was different. For instance, dogs were needed as watchdogs. Therefore being vigilant was a required and so on...
To be more accurate you could say "this shows that it did not NEED to take thousands of years". Why might have it anyway? Remember at the start of the experiment they DESTROYED the animals that were not slightly tolerant of humans. So every generation had a huge culling. In the wild with haphazard breeding a random animal could come and hang out but then breed with an animal hostile to humans. So the trait would be lost. This chaotic path would drag the process out.
My wife domesticated me in only six months.
To the kremlin "I want to make better fur!!!"
At home "Ide never hurt you my fuzzy beauty's, who's daddies little man YOU ARE! YES YOU ARE!"
Wolved did not evolve into dogs on their own. They too were selected and guided by humans.
Not initially. Wolves may have followed troops of early humans to take advantage of their kills. Those with a more social temperament may have been more tolerated - especially if they also deterred other predators that might have attempted to follow the troop of humans.
Now, you have selection in favour of both social and guarding traits, and as soon as humans thought to domesticate livestock, wolves/dogs were ready to fill the guardian role.
None of this required conscious guidance/selection by humans.
@@baldieman64 Nobody knows exactly how the relationship between man and wolves started. It's all speculation. But once that relationship had begun, then over time man would have used careful breeding to get spicific traits. Yes, some might have evolved on their own, but nature did not turn a wolf into a chihuahua. Man did that.
Yeah, everyone knows this. Why mentioning it ?
@@otteottema6839 The video creator claimed that wolves did it on their own. But, I guess you didn't know that.
@@paparoysworkshop
Nonsense, domestication is per definition done by people.
Thank you very much for this ! Dmitry Konstantinovich Belyayev (Russian: Дми́трий Константи́нович Беля́ев) was a smart, serious scientist, and a truly brave man. Plus his work resulted in a lot of hard currency for the country, esp. for the Academy of Sciences! Domesticated silver fox is much easier to grow, with much lower death rate, and thus more profit.
Yes, it is amazing how stupid the Soviets were about genetics.
I do have to admit that this is such an insane idea with a remarkably casual approach. Belyev approached this as we would approach a stray cat but with much grandeur plans in mind.
Life in a cage. Sucks.
Especially for birds.
The "ancient" Romans used to keep foxes as pets.
idk, maybe ancient south Americans....
That must be why they hate Italians!
they're lucky they had pet foxes in ancient times
0:33 FYI, Whoever made your map had the Soviet union swallow a huge chunk of the kingdom of Norway, two thirds of the kingdom of Sweden and Finland in its entirety! Plus the Gulf of Bothnia! 😈😼
Map is embarrassingly done.
It's a prediction. 😀
@sbelobaba Of USCIAAIDLGBTQ+ lol
It's almost like certain groups took highly detailed notes of the Russian Silver Fox Experiment, and then applied a similar, modified behavior experiment created for humans on the US Population over the past 20 years.
I find it frightening when I hear of experimenting on humans.
@@owlfethurz8377 The poor die ...
Over the last 5 or so years, I have noticed what appears as an actual
Evolution in the consciousness of almost all animals
... Or perhaps what you are noticing is an evolution in your own consciousness?
I hope you aren’t taking as truth those videos about wild animals “begging” for help - animals like elephant for example, that have been killed in vast numbers either by poaching or culling, leaving a herd without its matriarch (because she’s got to go first in order to scatter the herd) and infants and youngsters without their mothers, utterly traumatised. Why would they approach a species that has been so brutal to them? Hogwash!
Yes, you are right. People are spiritual and social changed, wild animals react immediately at other (more lovely) resonances of humans. 😊
Suns electro magnetic stimulation creates bandwidth as a communication channel in the ionosphere
@@lifelonglearner56 this also. We still medicate people with schizophrenia? Imagine if we discovered that the voices they were hearing was someone else's broadcast and that they are special people with special mutation to allow for telepathic upgrade of the human species?
It's probably not.....but it does make me wonder a lot
I drive in Aspen Colorado. Almost all the foxes I see which is 4-6 a night are golden with ring tails, but last night I saw a fox that was colored like a German Shepherd with brown on its chest and hind and also a saddle pattern.
A thought and a question: It's sad that most of these wonderful creatures are spending their lives in cages, and I'm wondering if these foxes are sold to folks that can afford them.
I bet they sell the fur.
That's correct. Some pet owners buy domesticated fox at fox farms. This a new and popular craze in Russia.
@@sbelobaba It's too bad that Russia is such a closed society these days. These foxes should be sold all over the world.
Thanks for the info!
This is an excellent documentary about the Beleyev research! I had read a bit about it over the years, but I find this video to be one of the most conclusive and thoroughly interesting reports about it.
He didnt just breed the friendly ones, he also went the other way and made monsters that attacked as quick as it saw a human, biting the cage to get to you.
Really!?😮
I for one welcome my future fox overlords.
Future?
@@GoodyallCo Exactly!
That domesticated silver fox at 7:46 is one of the best-looking animals ever. An absolute styler! The perfect mix of cat and dog with style.
Yeah I totally agree madness but lovely at same time lol
I can't help but wonder how much of the socialisation is genetic and how much is environmental.
its not that simple.... for example, causation is not enabling..... dna enables the potential of different behaviors, it does not cause it.....humans have the ability to express many behaviors most humans never express.
So maybe it did not take wolves 15,000 years to become domesticated. Possible less than 200 years?
That would need to be confirmed by the archeological record, would it not?
It could be 200 if people actively tried to domesticate them, but its much more likely that people for the longest time just saw them as competition for food, and only a few accepted the closeness of wolves and even fewer tried to interact with them.
The ancient Egyptians had domesticated dogs and cats. So it was very long ago when it happened. Maybe before writing or civilization. The question is how long did it take once it began. Also maybe not cats. Are they domesticated even now?
Absolutely fascinating ...
The wolves who became dogs didn't do that all by themselves over thousands of years. The people they bonded with and started to work beside also 'guided' their change, their evolution. They just weren't scientists with ample resources, time and understanding of the potential for the process, selective breeding, so it took longer, maybe. The changes in appearance and propensity for job functions and the wide variety of those changes did take thousands of years and definitely involved human intervention.
Those first people domesticating those particular wolves were just curious and opportunistic and happy to realize the benefits of having these other creatures around to help them do things like ward off other wolves and hunt in a more efficient pack. Those particular wolves were also curious and opportunistic and realized the benefits.
Or, It may have all started when the men were out hunting and came across a den of very young ones, and decided they 'were kinda cute right now and harmless', "I'll just take these home to show the kids and let them play with 'em for a while." They were able to feed them well enough to survive. Next thing you know, a few of them were agreeable, even many months later, and the men come home from some hunt and the kids tell about how 'their' wolves sided with them when another pack came around. "And two of them have brought back some rabbits to share and for us to prepare for them like they are used to. Mom said we can keep them."
so there are a lot of claims in this video that are either false or spurious. one at 4:19 the narration says, "some adult foxes played with items....traits rarely seen in wild foxes". that's a false claim; i have endless videos of adult wild foxes playing with toys.
correct.....the study is amazing....the video is not.
0 blind study .. pure assumptive adaptive INTERBREEDING! BIASED DIRECTED CONCLUSIONS!
Has it been assured that the Soviet scientist didn't secretly crossbred the foxes with dogs?
From the description of his activities the scientist was anti-soviet.
it's nice to hear these stories that didn't harm the animals. no i don't like the cages but the later fox seemed so happy
This is *NOT* -evolution- ... This *IS* adaptation!
No, because there were genetic and physiological changes.
@@sunnyboy4553 Genetic and physiological changes, does not a new species make... Still a fox!
@sunnyboy4553
As I just said in my own comment. It is not evolution. Evolution is natural selection leading to or deriving from survival of the fittest. This experiment bred the animals least fit to survive in the natural environment leading to the presentation of multiple defective (recessive) genes, thus changes in shape and colour. A similar process was used in creating dog breeds and as we see many created breeds have inherent physical defects. Like the fox experiment this was done purely for human amusement and is both anti-evolutionary and ungodly.
@@SteepSix If genetic and physiological changes do not make a new species, what does?
Instead of 'natural selection' this project involved 'human' selection. Foxes with the desirable characteristics were selected to breed while foxes with 'undesirable' characteristics did not breed. The generations of selective breeding produced creatures that are descended from foxes, but are behaviorally, physically, and genetically, swiftly becoming something that is not a fox.
This experiment is a concrete example of Evolution in every sense of the word. Human compatibility was the 'survival' trait that (artifically) 'selected' which parents would produce offspring. The original foxes did not 'adapt' to living with humans. It was only their later generations that were born with traits better adapted to living with humans.
@@SteepSix you are correct! and genetic adaptation is are more complex and sophisticated than we currently understand fully.... the smallest tiniest environmental factors can alter our genotype expression from our phenotype and its dynamic throughout our life, its not fixed....we truly are connected to everything around us at all times, there really is no separation as we like to think there is.....this includes non-living variables such as weather and even planetary alignment.....our evolution has it ALL covered!
What did the FOX say?😂
Now do this with raccoons, skunks, and other potential domestic pets
Not skunks. Please no.
And bears.
can't you already own a pet skunk though? raccoons would be a challenge since fucking rabies exist
It didn't take 15.000 years. It took decades. it's what he proved.
I don't know why this surprises anyone. Greyhounds bred by Egyptians 5,000 years ago. Mastiffs during the Roman Empire. and let us not forget our favorite Siberian Husky - 2000 years ago by the Chuchi. All this without paper records mostly.
Interesting experiment. It makes me wonder what might happen if higher primates like chimps might respond in similar ways to long term breeding for 'human friendly' selection and interaction? It opens a lot of questions as it appears not only behavior but intelligence was enhanced by these experiments.
Ethically dubious experiment
Ever see the first Planet of the Apes movie? Might give an idea.
@@joycebrewer4150but if the same scenario repeats itself with foxes. That's different. At least they're cute.....😅
What we did to wolves to turn them to dogs was horrible, but not as horrible as doing the same thing to ourselves. Human beings are being domesticated in the same fashion through social media algorithms.
I want one they're so adorable
Barren cages and cruelty are abhorrent
Well, I mean, it WAS the Soviet Union! It wasn't known for gentle kindness.
It never occurred to them that everything is not as ancient as they thought… there was no billions of years!
melanocytes are neural crest in origin so the change in color does fit that theory
Isn't it contraproductiv and even cruel to keep those domesticated foxes still in cages?
Fantastic upload.
Thank you.
New sub.😊
It has been four decades and I still can't domesticate my wife .
Every individual animal of every type and kind has a personality of its own. I believe that every single animal could be tamed over time. Many studies have shown that interaction with humans increases the intelligence of the animal no matter what species. Everything was created for human beings. We were put here to take care of these creatures.
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I agree whole heartedly! God designated us shepherds of this land. It's amazing how receptive and empathetic animals of all kinds can be. I'd say the greatest evolutionary trait is the ability to cooperate for mutual benefit.
What exactly is "a kind"? And we evolved alongside animals, we are not "created". We have tons of evidence for having evolved, and none at all for being created. Religions have done great harm to human development.. while no one has been able to show solid evidence of any kind of god.
@Goldenhawk583 evolution is a religion. It takes more faith to believe the circular reasoning than it does to believe in creation. I believe in creation. Therefore I believe that man was created on the same day but after the rest of the animals. I do believe there was a flood. There's more evidence for the flood and creation that you can recreate in scientific labs than there is for evolution. Evolution has never been able to be repeated in a lab. But creation has. My beliefs are more evidence-based and less conjecture and best guesses. The fossils are dated by the rock and the rock is stated by the fossils. There is not proof for either one. So they use one to prove the other but there's no actual evidence for either. You would call a kind a species. So to put it in your vernacular, species.
religions are invented concepts with deadly consequences for no reason other than power grab
This just shows that selective breeding can change the characteristics of an animal. Period.
They can be trained/domesticated pretty easily… they are cute/funny/playful …. Stinky .. but really amazing
Flip side of this - creating the insanely aggressive rats created by Dmitry Belyaev, starting in 1972 and continued by Lyudmila Trut after his death. One line became tame and easily handled, the other group became hyperaggressive to the point of being actually dangerous for handlers. Research has pointed to several genes which have strong inflences on tameness/aggression, which could have impacts on domesticated animals and handling safety.
This shows that "environmental conditions" play a bit part in how things(not just foxes) develop. It does not mean that everything "evolved" from nothing and people should not be confused into thinking so.❤
Agree. I think it illustrates how biology adapts to the environment for survival, not as "evolution" or the truism 'survival of the fittest'.
@@iRelevant.47.system.boycott they say that "evolution" occurs by tiny mutations over millions of years. This shows rapid changes, but the fox is still a fox and there is not any new genetic information coming into existence. Things grow differently under different conditions. People seem to grow taller these days because we have access to a variety of food. It is just a natural result, eat healthy means growing big and strong. With foxes, if raised in a way that they do not have to fear for their lives, and go hunt and kill for food then they develop(grow) differently. But their d.n.a. is not "evolving". What is actually happening and why? i think people need to step back and take a look at the big picture.
I wonder how much of the changes were due to changes in their gut biome. Perhaps being raised in a human environment exposed them to human-gut microorganisms, and these microorganisms changed multiple regulatory mechanisms.
One question? Can we tame humans that way? Hmmm!
Good observation - I'm surprised that your comment hasn't been taken down.
And how can u see this occurrence today?
no
Yes. Genes work the same way for everything with genes. They never add traits, they remove and isolate traits.
Ask Kim Jong Un. His Grandpa figured it out a long time ago. It involved prison camps. ☹️
The experiment has come into some difficulty because some of the original foxes were farmed and may have been domesticated anyway. While this may have some affect on the timeline, however the genetic case is proven which is the important part.
I have wild foxes that hang around my property, & I so welcome them being here to feed on field mice, squirrels, wild black berries, & even certain types of bugs as well as bird seed. & even on a few generations they have had kits staying in my covered wood pile during early spring for shelter from the rains. Also it's a joy too see them frolicking out in the open field with one another when they are kits, & every once in awhile when they're 1 or 2 years old they will meet up again to play in the field with each other. This was neat study being able to domesticate foxes, But I still don't like seeing any animal housed in cages. Foxes have always been smart animals, & should be treated that way.
Agreed. These domesticated foxes would be _far_ better off living with humans that love and care for them.
“…cat is a master of manipulation” describes the essence of cats.😹
As a creationist I would say that the original foxes devolved into today's wild foxes.
Good angle. I live close to nature and have noticed that in recent years 'wild' animals are becoming 'tame' ... from deer to birds. Still run away, but their 'security zone' has shrunk radically. You can look them in the eye and they don't run away.
A while back in Northern Illinois my mom ran into a white fox whilst driving to work. 2nd day she saw it again. 3rd day she decided to bring a camera and boom, there it was again. She got out to take a photo and the fox came right up to her 😮. She never saw it again after that day
A tame fox that uses a litter box could be a big improvement on dogs.
Some dogs already do. They usually prefer to go out, but mine pied once in desperation in the drain. Uses a dedicated room/spot in despair.
I've got foxes behind my house. The HOA won't let us keep hens.
Took away stress and they became dogs again period
Again?
Think foxes are a smarter species.
What I don't see in the discussion is the implication of how much "suppressed diversity" there is in the genome. Which makes sense as survival in part depends on adapting to changes in the environment faster than the competition.
here in australia wild foxes are introduced and feral and i have
hunted and killed more than i care to remember... however, as an
avid lover of dogs i have been and still am of the opinion that
foxes are one of the most beautiful animals to have evolved on
this planet. deep down i always wished they were domesticated
and not wild or feral. i would have one as a pet in the blink of an eye.
But dogs are also introduced, including dingos!
Tf justification is that, it's wild and feral so you have right to shoot? I mean nobody made you god but u pricks always try to become god and try to justify your actions lmao, pathetic.
In Australia there are problems with too many rabbits so why do you hunt foxes that have rabbits as prey?
I worked with wild foxes and they are a very stinky, strong scented animal. I wonder if that strong scent, odor went away as they became domesticated.
Ever seen the reaction to your own smell after a year without a hot shower ? :)
Domesticated to make killing easier is really sad and cruel. I prefer animals to people 😮
Fascinating. Makes me wonder, are humans domesticated? If so what are our domesticated traits? Can humans in the right conditions reverse this and activate our ancient genes to go feral? Pigs can do this.
In my opinion impulse control is a domesticated trait, and not all humans have mastered this yet. But in general we are domesticating ourselves.
Imagine what they could do with us humans. We’ve never been domesticated; we’re wild and destructive.
Hmmmm food for thought, eh? If you were left in wilderness with no man made ‘necessities’ to help you survive, how would you fare? Yes in society humans can show recklessness and destructive behaviours towards others and even our natural environment, we have lost the sense of harmony with our surroundings and want to shape and tame everything. But in terms of real nature, do you think perhaps we have domesticated ourselves to the point that most people today couldn’t walk into a natural wilderness solo, and without any man made supplies, and survive?
Uhm ... why do you think we go to school ?
Au contraire.
Civilisation has corrupted humanity.
We are weak and ill-suited to survival.
Just attend any Democrat/Labour/Liberal Party meeting and you will see as much.
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Totalitarian governments?
I wonder if domesticated foxes might one day be made available as companion animals.
Wasn't it a Russian who initially changed Wolves into dogs using the same approach? IDK which is more amazing but I would lean towards the first one.
That makes sense, kinda like Putin’s doing to his people
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it is the same what Ursula does with all EU population.
See what happens when we look after each other, what happens when we live in love, not fear. Something our leaders/rulers seem to fear for some reason
If evolution is taken at face value-can’t help but wonder how wolves ended up resembling pugs🤣🤣🤣🤣
Human selection…. Just like what people did with the foxes.
This video completely ignores the reason for the experiment and that was to make silver foxes easier to raise for the fur.
No mention of the parallel experiment?
For those that don't know they did the exact opposite experiment by selecting the most vicious and breeding them too.
What were the results? Or how can I find info about that?
@TheCorinne87 all I really remember is they got to be super vicious and I think they also changed color. Iirc they looked prettier and intimidating
This is amazing. It's interesting how the domesticated foxes developed physical traits that made them cuter. As well as so many other changes in such a short time.
Sounds like, not evolution, but simply breeding - exposing the effects of genetic material already there, but latent, either due to being recessive, or to manifesting more prominently in concert with other latent genes.
Regarding speciation: when you have animals, such as wolves, dogs, and coyotes, that have the same sets of chromosome pairs, and can readily interbreed and produce fertile offspring over repeated generations, you have a single species at the genetic level, regardless of what labels you apply. As we know from dogs, the variation among breeds in a single species can be quite astonishing, but it's still a single species.
Actually, that is the definition of evolution. Sometimes people think that evolution requires adding new genes or alleles. It does not. Evolution is simply a change in allele frequency in a population.
The fact that there is a population of foxes that are isolated and that show a marked change in allele frequency over multiple generations is by definition evolution.
Breeding IS exploiting evolution laws.
Basically breeding is evolution in practice.
They evolved with an understanding of competition among breeds within a species. They didn't know why but they tried to be the best dogs, better pets
Superimposed map at 0.37 is a massive mess.
In the 50’s a very similar experiment was conducted in Africa
Breeding out aggression only letting the least aggressive ones breed over generations actually threw domestic or cuter features like coloured patches Curley tails and so forth
This explains how many dog breeds were bred
And how particular features are acquired in breeding new dog breeds today
It is a very big misconception that dogs only come from wolf ancestry
And yes our species sapiens would follow similar results if over only fifty years of breeding out aggression
We too would be subject to unexpected yet apparent changes
It’s interesting how through emotion and temperament changes can affect physical changes
It would be so interesting to see what humans could become if we looked after each other, and stopped waging war on each other.
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I like your comment in relation to mine.
It’s late here. But I would like to converse more with you if you are interested
I can imagine a world where people could live without war and love one another rather than hate and kill and be divided in every way
Also in relation to Caucasians and the first appearance of white peoples with blonde hair and blue eyes as man spread across the earth and passed through the valley of the Caucasian mountains where white man first appeared hence the name Caucasian (race) because of some histories pertaining to the events prior to those peoples and their cultures that may have had similar effects like those of foxes in controlled experimentation
Thank you for responding and thank you for inspiring thoughts
Kind regards
Has any such experiment been done on red foxes as well?
Do they in such a case develop in the same way?
A wild red fox takes 3 to 4 generations to be domesticated
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Thanks for yor response.
I have heard that foxes has an unpleasant smell.
Is that true and is that the same for red and silver foxes?
@@andersholmstrom3571 the odor is very unpleasant ! It takes awhile to become acclimated . Lol
No matter how much you isolate their phenotype traits, they will never become a dog or be able to breed with wolves or other dogs. That's because they're genotype is that of a fox. Very similar to a dog, but not.
The Bible would call them a Kind
The rapid changes in just a few generations indicates that the Darwinian theory of evolution has a lot of shortcomings. These are genetic changes occurring, adaptation in a small set of animals. Its not random mutation over hundreds or thousands of generations to adapt to varying conditions.
Much of Darwin's theory and reading is questionable. But the video seems to show that through selective breeding, the biology adjust to the environment. In a similar way to body of humans are likely adjusting to a more technological age, the impact of touch screens on kids are radical. The earlier exposure, the bigger the impact.
You misunderstand the theory of evolution.
The foxes are selected to breed by humans in an artificial situation - creating an accelerated version of evolution. In nature, evolution might take place over much longer periods due to small incremental changes.
There are some instances of evolution where the appearance of animals changes over a very short period of time; the general colour of a variety of moth in England became darker as pollution increased due to increased pollution due to pollution from coal. When other sources of fuel sources dramatically decreased pollution, the moths reverted back to their original colour ratio within a few generations.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
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It strengthens it instead, as we've accelerated the process by taking it out of nature and replicating it in controlled conditions. Further, notice the changes that happened? Floppy ears, curled tails, and patches are all things that humans find appealing in animals. They're even showing signs of neoteny with their shorter snouts and love of play even into adulthood.
Im so glad you brought this up.
I read about this many years ago and have brought it up as an example of rapid evolutionary changes due to evolutionary changes we don’t consider.
Hunter gatherers to agrarian ?
A lot of misinformation here. Domestication causes developmental issues, which is why domesticated dogs don't become aggressive. It's why the ears don't stand up, why the heads retain the more rounded shape of puppies, and even where the spotty patterns come from. That last one is common across a lot of domesticated animals and is basically a developmental failure at the fetal stage. So, the idea that the foxes became more intelligent through domestication is a laughable one. It's the opposite of how domestication actually works. Like this video, domestication makes things dumber. The results are animals which are not as aggressive and thus easier to handle than their wild counterparts. All domesticated animals are handicapped versions of wild animals. Smart and healthy animals typically avoid humans. Please fact check me and inadvertantly do some real research., please.
I have seen results of a study that domestic cats have brains 1/3 smaller than similar size wild cats. I believe you.
The lowered stress hormones probably had positive effects on their immune system.
Stress is a killer and cancer generator.
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Excellent, interesting study. Bravo.
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Now, they need to domesticate Red Pandas. If they can do that, it'll be the coolest pet EVER.
This was really interesting they basically bred out the survival instinct. I used to listen to this doctor that proposed genetic manipulation and breaking the cycles like alcoholism, genetic deficiency, cancer and much more will change genectics passed down through children. You can turn on and off genetic problem passed down through parents.
I think there is a word for selective breeding of humans, and it isn't very popular in most circles.
Debatable. Foxes are smart, those who didn't adapt to the experiment died.
Russian genetic foxes biological study?.. Facinating!!! Russian dude pure genious
"Guided Evolution"
What a sick idea. 😮
and what's abortion?
Why? It's been done with cats and dogs, and all manner of livestock, even with vegetable and grain plants.
No, that's how we roll - and we are not the top level.
All food crops were bred according to this system.
All original plants, whether rice, grains, bananas, cabbage or watermelons, are significantly smaller, taste worse or have a much lower yield than the versions currently in use.
All three points usually apply.
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Subscribed! Excellent Video!