Fascinating. The guy is an absolute master of his craft. Good to hear his cymbal work since it never seems to come through well in the live recordings.Thank-you, John.
That's the thing about drums. If it's a skilled drummer he can provide audible backing beats if you specifically listen for them, but they stay in the background a bit and add to the song when you listen to it as a whole. Kai is great at that. :)
The giant of drums, playing through tempo changes like he's strolling through the park. And can we talk about how easily Floor's vocals cut through even his drums and come through clearly? Not just any vocalist can do that! Man Kai is a legend!
A drumcam reaction of GLS, a RUclips first for you lol :) And ofc Floor's voice is so powerful it is the sole thing that still manages to come through in the audio of this drumcam.
Wow, this made me view this song a little differently. Thanks for doing this. One of the best drum fills in the song is hidden behind the Floorgasm at the end where no one would ever notice it!
Jukka and Kai both clearly have their own style. Jukka has more showmanship with his movements and such while drumming, while Kai is a faster drummer with high technical skills. At least that's how I see them. I miss Jukka's showmanship, but highly respect Kai's drumming skills as well. :)
@@sebulbathx I once saw an interview with Kai where he explained that learning Jukka's songs was pretty difficult for him. Since Jukka's drumming style switching between rhythms a lot, and fast too. Which to me sounds like Jukka drums more on feeling than on technical rhythm. And that definitely gives a more "fun" factor I think.
@@Sanquinity Ah cool. That almost confirms their styles then. Also how their styles comes to the audiences ears. But that describes well how I've seen it recently when I watched two performances of Ghost love score with the two drummers. One was Wacken and the other one was Buenos aires bluray. Both are great but Jukkas style was more fun and engaging whilst Kais was more correct and clean sounding.
yeah in my opinion Kai had difficulties because he doesn't feel it (the music) as much as Jukka did. Some people feel the music more some less (not saying he is not a great drummer and very good tehnique). Jukka's better feeling of the rythm made him sound less liniar, more 'colorful'. However, let's not forget that songs being composed while Jukka was in, what he was drumming there felt natural for him, since probably he came up with lots of the stuff. Here, this guy has to learn to play as someone else, so that's also a difference. True, I liked Jukka's energy more, but I ain't going there since the golden era of NW is long gone so nothing is like with original line-up (well no original but I mean since Marko till end of an era).
@@chillescoo NW's golden age was certainly in Marco/Tarja's era. After Tarja left the band took a nose dive. Still good, just not "omg so great!" as they were. Then Floor joined. And I felt like they would be entering a new golden era. But now Marco left. And honestly I don't know if they can ever recover from that. Marco always felt like one of the two lynchpins of the band for me. His unique "acting" on stage combined with his powerful voice isn't something you can just replace...
Watching Kai makes me unsure about which drummer I want in Nightwish. Kai is such an amazing player, and those little “Kai-isms” he puts in there and in other songs are absolutely amazing. And on the other end, Jukka looked like such a total badass up there playing. I just love both of them.
I miss Jukka and hope to see him return soon, but God damn if Kai isn't a full on gangster on drums up there. I just want Jukka back and a new Wintersun album. Kai's a technical tyrant in Wintersun. Call me selfish :)
Not a technical tyrant in Wintersun. Many other places maybe. Coz in Wintersun all the guitars and the bass are on his level there! And that must be satisfying for Kai.
Why is nobody reacting to Jukka drum cam? He is so entertaining and his style will remain iconic for Nightwish... I could watch a whole hour of just Jukka drumming and not get bored.
Kai Hahto actually was the drum teacher to Jukka Nevalainen (Nightwish's former drummer, whom you already saw in the Ghost Love Score live recording from Wacken 2013). Therefore they have really similar, if not same abilities on amazing the masses.
Look how happy he is :) Seen him play more technically demanding songs, but I like that for him it evidently isn't about that. Might've been more when young - then the hot shots want to show the tech they've got: sometimes on the cost of the music. But youngsters are always so, I remember how it was in the 20's: you want to show all your skills. (It doesn't matter what stuff it is about, it's the in work, sports...). Now it seems Kai just loves when he can play music he likes.
Jukka wore a go-pro on his head for something like this! Worth a look!!!! Wish I had the link :(.... Good to see Kai smile!!!! Makes me want to go play too!
What a great video and angle to one of my favorite NW songs. He is awesome and you see the eyelashes in the dark, that is so Ginger Baker (Cream/Drummer)!!! (LOL). I will say what amazes me is I can still hear Floor on this drum cam, so you can imagine what kind of power that takes!!! This also shows you how much work and skill there is being a drummer and this was just one song, imagine doing this for 90+ minutes at a LIVE concert!!!! I have even more respect for him but also for Nur Amira Syahira the young woman drummer who plays covers for many of the present rock star songs she grew up with. Man I clearly was at the end of the music talent line when that DNA was given out (LOL)!!!!
@@JohnG_YT I would say after 90 minutes that is not a workout but a total body drain. I wonder if they ever measured the calories burned during a performance for the drummer? The angle gave me a greater appreciation for the work that they do and the double kick makes it even more amazing.
It's not just that there's a lot of symbals on the left - I see it like they are symmetrically on both sides: I think that's so he can do with them what he needs, depending which hand is it where the certain symbal hit falls to. He must be very ambidexterous - doesn't matter if he needs his left or right hand: both can do the symbal tricks, and the drum hits.
hi there, first of all im not a drummer, but musician enough to see and hear how good this guy is...im a retired guitar player (retired due to arthritis in both hands) but im addicted to all kind of stage cams and a great nightwish fan... do you know if there are more stage cam vids of nightwish ?? i can recommend stage cams views of the shania twain band, also from their drummer elijah wood .... greetings from nortw. germany .... ronny seffinga
I miss Jukka also, especially for GLS, his drumming sound more bassy which fits the mood of the song perfectly. I've said it maybe before, but I think Jukka's drums just sound better :) Unfortunately Jukka will be staying in the management side. Fortunately Kai is now officially the NW drummer, I don't think they could have gotten a much better drummer to replace Jukka. And based on interviews etc. he seems to be really nice guy (as the rest of the bad too) so I can't be too sad.
It´s really interesting to see the different ways of playing that song when comparing Kai and Jukka, especially the part after the floorgasm ist completely different
Jukka beyond being a master drummer is also a very good person. By the moment that his illness turned into an issue for him to keep playing, he called the best drummer in the market, and his friend to fill his shoe in the band. He didn't leave the band at all, he is now doing management work for Nightwish.
Love Jukka..he attacks the kit like no other. Kai is a beast. Wish he would turn it loose..I really think he is holding back a bunch. Maybe thats by design..I don't know..just watching some of his clips from 2011 he is full of some neat patterns and licks. Set the man free!
Kai is a real drum monster!!! And, i dunno why, but at double base playing i struggle more with slow double base than with fast one. But i am not a "real" drummer :-D Just a Bass Player that enjoy trying different stuff :-D
Hate when peeps compare Kai and juka and say juka is just a simple drummer but not only are Kai and juka friends Kai says himself that alot of jukas drumming is very complicated and took him along time to get them right etc
I think i saw the video you're talking about - It was the Storytime bridge drum part that he mentioned i believe. I was just comparing their drumming from a technical standpoint,definetly didn't mean to belittle Jukka's skills! :)
You should look up matt gartzka from animals as leaders.holy shit.fast and accurate. Also the band playthrough of unleash the archers awakening.that drummer has a unique technique and 2 kick drums.also a sweet mullet
It’s interesting to see the difference between Jukka and Kai. Jukka always seemed to be hunter on the drums while Kai is pretty nonchalant. I’m not reading anything into it, it’s just interesting. Mad hearing Floor in the background, it’s like she’s in another room.
I think the nonchalance comes from Kai having mostly played in extreme metal bands, you can't really have those powerful and exaggerated movements and stage presence that Jukka has if you are trying to conserve energy because you have to blastbeat for 5 minutes straight lol.
With all respect to both Nightwish and Jukka (love them both), Nightwish songs are a piece of cake for Swallow the Sun's beast Kai. He's used to playing more difficult music.
Marco Hietala said in his book that he had to change his own playing style when Kai joined the band. He said Jukka has ”oldschool” style. I think that style brings more emotion...
Kai and Jukka are both on the same level of skills in my opinion, I don't know why but I like the sound of Yukka's drums more then Kai's. Is there anybody out there who has an explanation for this or is there somebody who feels the same , or maybe the other way around. Please let me know, I'm curious.
Kai is clearly more advanced technically (that’s not even close), but that doesn’t mean that Jukka was a poor drummer by any means-because he absolutely is not. Could Jukka play in Wintersun? Probably not... but he’s not in Wintersun, so he doesn’t have to have insane chops like that. Personally, I like his playing a lot. He always had a very good pocket and sense of groove that worked really well in the context of Nightwish. For example, Ringo Starr is amongst the most influential drummers ever, and he was very technically limited. But his parts were often very creative and made those superb songs feel great. He doesn’t need to be able to have played in Yes, Genesis or King Crimson. With regards to the sound of the drums, there’s no way to tell what Jukka or Kai’s actual kits sound like from these kind of videos. Both drummers use top of the line drums and cymbals, that are professionally optimized and tuned before each gig. In a studio, the natural kits probably sound superb. The songs that are all mixed are also using drum samples that are being triggered by the live kits and augmenting the live sound. It makes them much easier to mix from night to night. What you’re hearing from Kai’s kit in this video is likely sound from a video camera microphone that is also picking up band instruments from the venue P.A.. Kai is using in-ear monitors, like most pros do, so you’re not hearing what he is hearing in his head. All you’re hearing is ambient sound with some delay, because all of the band volume is being projected towards the audience. As a result, everything sounds brittle and harsh... cymbals especially. Even in the professionally mixed videos, the mix engineer has an enormous amount of discretion, in addition to whomever is doing the multitracking at the Front of House mixing board. So all of this amounts to... we really can’t tell what the dry drums themselves sound like at all, in this context. 🤷🏼♂️
Okay, so what about this idea? Just look at Emppu's situation and compare it to Jukka. Emppu is a great guitarist, but he is by no means anywhere near the best in the world. But he doesn't have to be because he plays in Nightwish and Nightwish favors crisp, isolated and clear sounds over sloshing together a lot of individual sounds in one mad flurry, so a lot of the things the best of the best are renowned for is simply not needed. It actually comes from the fact that Nightwish is a Symphonic Metal band. Since they layer lots and lots of different instruments on top of one another, the individual instruments need to have a very crisp and clean sound to them since any excessive embellishment would either drown out the rest of the arrangement or get lost in it. Simply put, the ability to do mad rushes and improvs is not needed in Nightwish. At least that's the opinion of someone who hasn't played any music in ten years. If someone with actual experience wants to come in and correct me, go right ahead.
I agree with you 100%. And please remember, I like Jukka’s playing style a lot. I think the other important point, is simply the experience of being in a band. Nightwish is past two decades now. Having a bond, being able to get along with everyone on a tour bus, in addition to playing sympathetically, is all critical to any band’s longevity. Especially once you get into your forties, have spouses and children... as much as you may love your band, you love your kids more. So all these elements have to work together. Whether Emppu can or cannot play what Jeff Loomis can play, for example, doesn’t really matter. His playing works fine in NW and the band all get along well. We also have to remember that Nightwish is not just a band of musicians-it’s also a business that employs many people, and costs significant money to operate on a month to month basis. All the more important that everyone gets along and wants to continue working together.
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The sound of an angel in the background😁😁
called Floor Jansen
those are some amazing fills at the end. Never have seen this video. Awesome seeing Kai's perspective.
I love how Kai is distributing the work between his two feet as much as possible. Really smart about saving energy.
Fascinating. The guy is an absolute master of his craft. Good to hear his cymbal work since it never seems to come through well in the live recordings.Thank-you, John.
See his interview Kai Hahto warm up routine.
Just with a training pad he does things I feel many can't do with the whole set :)
That's the thing about drums. If it's a skilled drummer he can provide audible backing beats if you specifically listen for them, but they stay in the background a bit and add to the song when you listen to it as a whole. Kai is great at that. :)
The giant of drums, playing through tempo changes like he's strolling through the park. And can we talk about how easily Floor's vocals cut through even his drums and come through clearly? Not just any vocalist can do that! Man Kai is a legend!
A drumcam reaction of GLS, a RUclips first for you lol :) And ofc Floor's voice is so powerful it is the sole thing that still manages to come through in the audio of this drumcam.
Wow, this made me view this song a little differently. Thanks for doing this. One of the best drum fills in the song is hidden behind the Floorgasm at the end where no one would ever notice it!
What a unique perspective and awesome to watch. Thanks man!!!
Jukka and Kai both clearly have their own style. Jukka has more showmanship with his movements and such while drumming, while Kai is a faster drummer with high technical skills. At least that's how I see them. I miss Jukka's showmanship, but highly respect Kai's drumming skills as well. :)
Agree. Jukka sounds more fun and Kai more correct if that makes sense. Different but I like Jukka better. Not disliking Kai but prefer Jukkas style.
@@sebulbathx I once saw an interview with Kai where he explained that learning Jukka's songs was pretty difficult for him. Since Jukka's drumming style switching between rhythms a lot, and fast too. Which to me sounds like Jukka drums more on feeling than on technical rhythm. And that definitely gives a more "fun" factor I think.
@@Sanquinity Ah cool. That almost confirms their styles then. Also how their styles comes to the audiences ears.
But that describes well how I've seen it recently when I watched two performances of Ghost love score with the two drummers. One was Wacken and the other one was Buenos aires bluray. Both are great but Jukkas style was more fun and engaging whilst Kais was more correct and clean sounding.
yeah in my opinion Kai had difficulties because he doesn't feel it (the music) as much as Jukka did. Some people feel the music more some less (not saying he is not a great drummer and very good tehnique). Jukka's better feeling of the rythm made him sound less liniar, more 'colorful'. However, let's not forget that songs being composed while Jukka was in, what he was drumming there felt natural for him, since probably he came up with lots of the stuff. Here, this guy has to learn to play as someone else, so that's also a difference. True, I liked Jukka's energy more, but I ain't going there since the golden era of NW is long gone so nothing is like with original line-up (well no original but I mean since Marko till end of an era).
@@chillescoo NW's golden age was certainly in Marco/Tarja's era. After Tarja left the band took a nose dive. Still good, just not "omg so great!" as they were. Then Floor joined. And I felt like they would be entering a new golden era. But now Marco left. And honestly I don't know if they can ever recover from that. Marco always felt like one of the two lynchpins of the band for me. His unique "acting" on stage combined with his powerful voice isn't something you can just replace...
Will be looking forward for the cover of this song! Great video, as always!
Greetings from Chile.
The ending is just freaking awesome. Also the vocals at the end are killer...
finally someone react to the drumcam! please react to more of those.
I would definetly like to do that! :)
Fascinating... learned a whole lot watching him. Thanks.
Watching Kai makes me unsure about which drummer I want in Nightwish. Kai is such an amazing player, and those little “Kai-isms” he puts in there and in other songs are absolutely amazing. And on the other end, Jukka looked like such a total badass up there playing. I just love both of them.
I miss Jukka and hope to see him return soon, but God damn if Kai isn't a full on gangster on drums up there.
I just want Jukka back and a new Wintersun album. Kai's a technical tyrant in Wintersun. Call me selfish :)
Droogie128 seems reasonable 😀
Not a technical tyrant in Wintersun. Many other places maybe. Coz in Wintersun all the guitars and the bass are on his level there! And that must be satisfying for Kai.
@@timomastosalo he's still an amazing technical drunmer, which is all I was saying. His drumming in that band is on a technical level few reach.
@@Droogie128 Yeah and tehnical tyrant is OK for me - maybe we could say: FROM Wintersun :)
Jukka was bad....they should keep kai as drummer
Kaigasm?
Kai is actually left handed, he said so himself in the DrumTalk video.
Boom Baby :) More Hahto cams please :) Gretings from Finland
Very,very soon! :)
Drum cam from Poet And The Pendulum, also from Greatest Show On Earth would be cool too. Kai is amazing.
What a different perspective for this song. And the glow in the dark RNA strands are cool. (Single strand vs double)
you should see the drum cam of Kai in wintersun sons of winter and stars
Interview: Kai, how do you fill-
Kai's sticks: PRr-R!
That was great, and Tuomas writes everything, drums, guitars...everything.
Truly worthy of the "Mastermind" title! :)
Why is nobody reacting to Jukka drum cam? He is so entertaining and his style will remain iconic for Nightwish... I could watch a whole hour of just Jukka drumming and not get bored.
Kai Hahto actually was the drum teacher to Jukka Nevalainen (Nightwish's former drummer, whom you already saw in the Ghost Love Score live recording from Wacken 2013). Therefore they have really similar, if not same abilities on amazing the masses.
Look how happy he is :) Seen him play more technically demanding songs, but I like that for him it evidently isn't about that. Might've been more when young - then the hot shots want to show the tech they've got: sometimes on the cost of the music. But youngsters are always so, I remember how it was in the 20's: you want to show all your skills. (It doesn't matter what stuff it is about, it's the in work, sports...). Now it seems Kai just loves when he can play music he likes.
AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME!!!!!
Man!! I got tired just watching. It is hard work. Amazing!
Jukka wore a go-pro on his head for something like this! Worth a look!!!! Wish I had the link :(.... Good to see Kai smile!!!! Makes me want to go play too!
What a great video and angle to one of my favorite NW songs. He is awesome and you see the eyelashes in the dark, that is so Ginger Baker (Cream/Drummer)!!! (LOL). I will say what amazes me is I can still hear Floor on this drum cam, so you can imagine what kind of power that takes!!! This also shows you how much work and skill there is being a drummer and this was just one song, imagine doing this for 90+ minutes at a LIVE concert!!!! I have even more respect for him but also for Nur Amira Syahira the young woman drummer who plays covers for many of the present rock star songs she grew up with. Man I clearly was at the end of the music talent line when that DNA was given out (LOL)!!!!
I used to play with a band few years back and we did a few live shows...It really is quite the workout! :D
@@JohnG_YT I would say after 90 minutes that is not a workout but a total body drain. I wonder if they ever measured the calories burned during a performance for the drummer? The angle gave me a greater appreciation for the work that they do and the double kick makes it even more amazing.
Dude's a machine. Sheeshhh.
For Kai the drumset wss for sure totally free of charge, even better probably he got money for using pearl drums 😅😂
Thank You!
It's not just that there's a lot of symbals on the left - I see it like they are symmetrically on both sides: I think that's so he can do with them what he needs, depending which hand is it where the certain symbal hit falls to. He must be very ambidexterous - doesn't matter if he needs his left or right hand: both can do the symbal tricks, and the drum hits.
PearlDrumsFinland
you can find a drumcam for "Wintersun: Sons of winter and stars" and it's admirable at physical performance along with drumming .
This is definitely worth watching! Kai is such a beast, and that song is on a whole different level of skill requirement. Added to that it's so long!
hi there, first of all im not a drummer, but musician enough to see and hear how good this guy is...im a retired guitar player (retired due to arthritis in both hands) but im addicted to all kind of stage cams and a great nightwish fan... do you know if there are more stage cam vids of nightwish ?? i can recommend stage cams views of the shania twain band, also from their drummer elijah wood .... greetings from nortw. germany .... ronny seffinga
I know it is a clip about the drummer But that close to the drums and you can still hear her singing over it.
I miss Jukka also, especially for GLS, his drumming sound more bassy which fits the mood of the song perfectly. I've said it maybe before, but I think Jukka's drums just sound better :) Unfortunately Jukka will be staying in the management side. Fortunately Kai is now officially the NW drummer, I don't think they could have gotten a much better drummer to replace Jukka. And based on interviews etc. he seems to be really nice guy (as the rest of the bad too) so I can't be too sad.
It´s really interesting to see the different ways of playing that song when comparing Kai and Jukka, especially the part after the floorgasm ist completely different
Nice
Jukka beyond being a master drummer is also a very good person. By the moment that his illness turned into an issue for him to keep playing, he called the best drummer in the market, and his friend to fill his shoe in the band. He didn't leave the band at all, he is now doing management work for Nightwish.
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KAI HAHTO is endorsed by PEARL, he's using Peal Demon Drive (chain) pedals.
It's so funny to see he went to this after Wintersun madness xD
*Kai starts blast-beating during a NW rehearsal*
Tuomas : "We don't do that here"
@@JohnG_YT Imagine if he can influence Tuomas...
KAI the number one
If you’re after Nightwish/Kai Hahto ultimate drum cam, check out ”stargazers” drum cam. That’s one neverending drum solo for whole song.
Neil Peart...Danny Carey...Kai Hahto- yes, you may join the "Bad Ass Drummer" club~!!!
Tomas Hakke
Man! Watch him playing The Sons of Winter and Stars by Wintersun! You won't regret!
Love Jukka..he attacks the kit like no other. Kai is a beast. Wish he would turn it loose..I really think he is holding back a bunch. Maybe thats by design..I don't know..just watching some of his clips from 2011 he is full of some neat patterns and licks. Set the man free!
Kai held back on the previous record because there was a chance Jukka might be coming back. I thing we're in for a treat on the next album ;)
Great to hear this, as a new fan he's probably the member who I know the least about. Even with this song he proves his pure skill though.
I miss Jukka but Kai is a beast. That was pretty cool. Thanks John!
Nice reaction. I recommend nightwish Elvenpaf/FantasMic From Wishes to Eternity Live DVD. This is the super concert.
the best drummer ever! Kai Hahto!
And now Kai is a permanent member of Nightwish
jukka wrote this part so supporting the music
Kai is a real drum monster!!! And, i dunno why, but at double base playing i struggle more with slow double base than with fast one. But i am not a "real" drummer :-D Just a Bass Player that enjoy trying different stuff :-D
Superb
Hate when peeps compare Kai and juka and say juka is just a simple drummer but not only are Kai and juka friends Kai says himself that alot of jukas drumming is very complicated and took him along time to get them right etc
I think i saw the video you're talking about - It was the Storytime bridge drum part that he mentioned i believe. I was just comparing their drumming from a technical standpoint,definetly didn't mean to belittle Jukka's skills! :)
Not having checked the googles ... The beaters on the pedals looks like Pearl's, with that chrome thing on the top.
You should check Weak Fantasy drum cam. Also can you do Judas Priest - Victim of Changes live at Seminole Hard Rock Arena even if you know the song...
Kai Hahto invented drumming
You should look up matt gartzka from animals as leaders.holy shit.fast and accurate. Also the band playthrough of unleash the archers awakening.that drummer has a unique technique and 2 kick drums.also a sweet mullet
Drumcam of Kai on Weak Fantasy live Tampere doing some solo :p
React to Kai Hahto playing Sons of Winter and Stars 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
It’s interesting to see the difference between Jukka and Kai. Jukka always seemed to be hunter on the drums while Kai is pretty nonchalant. I’m not reading anything into it, it’s just interesting. Mad hearing Floor in the background, it’s like she’s in another room.
I think the nonchalance comes from Kai having mostly played in extreme metal bands, you can't really have those powerful and exaggerated movements and stage presence that Jukka has if you are trying to conserve energy because you have to blastbeat for 5 minutes straight lol.
Dys topia heh, that quite likely explains it!
With all respect to both Nightwish and Jukka (love them both), Nightwish songs are a piece of cake for Swallow the Sun's beast Kai. He's used to playing more difficult music.
After hearing how Kai played in Rotten Sound i gotta agree! :D
I think Kai is a Pearl drum artist, so I think he's using demon drive pedals, or other pearl pedals
Jukka and Kai are the drummer of Nighteish 🤗
"Can't see what pedals he's using". Those are Demon Drives :)
Thank you! :)
Should watch Kai on Wintersun for a reaction
This is a link off a video about the equipment that nightwish use and cool info about the drumkit from kai
ruclips.net/video/6dhSkfbHXJc/видео.html
Please react to buckethead pike 44!!!
Please try WOLFHEART - Breakwater Drum Playthrough. You may like Joonas' drumming too.
You should check out the Weak Fantasy Drumcam.
Even though you don't hear perfectly clear Floor, you still feel the Floorgasm.
Jukka is a bad ass drummer, but Kai is a bad ass drummer to!
Frankly, Jukka's style and technical diligence suited me better. I don't mean that Kai was bad, but Jukka just knew how to put it better.
He could probably do the entire NW set fine with one hand and leg tied behind his back :)
Still have a floorgasm through this drumcam😂
The power of Floorgasm knows no bounds :D
'ghost love score' is easy level for Kai
I appreciate Kai's skill here but somehow I find him more 'mechanical' for want of a better word - I think Jukke just feels it more
Marco Hietala said in his book that he had to change his own playing style when Kai joined the band. He said Jukka has ”oldschool” style. I think that style brings more emotion...
React Assemble the chariots
Song: The expedition
Need a vocalist enter Floor,need a drummer bring on Kai, oh and lets just add Troy also.
Checkout Rolf Pilve playing song destiny or black diamond
PLS whatch sons of winter and stars drum cam by him, holy shit
ruclips.net/video/08_PduSKNWU/видео.html this is the clip i meant. if ur a drummer like me, you'll have some parts where you think wtf just happened
Floor's voice still rings through and gives me chills...
I miss Jukka, but kai is a decent fill in
React fallilv step of terror plzz
Jukka is stil the best🙂
jukka original
I can't do that.
Kai is left handed so the setup is different.
Kai and Jukka are both on the same level of skills in my opinion, I don't know why but I like the sound of Yukka's drums more then Kai's. Is there anybody out there
who has an explanation for this or is there somebody who feels the same , or maybe the other way around.
Please let me know, I'm curious.
Kai is clearly more advanced technically (that’s not even close), but that doesn’t mean that Jukka was a poor drummer by any means-because he absolutely is not. Could Jukka play in Wintersun? Probably not... but he’s not in Wintersun, so he doesn’t have to have insane chops like that. Personally, I like his playing a lot. He always had a very good pocket and sense of groove that worked really well in the context of Nightwish. For example, Ringo Starr is amongst the most influential drummers ever, and he was very technically limited. But his parts were often very creative and made those superb songs feel great. He doesn’t need to be able to have played in Yes, Genesis or King Crimson.
With regards to the sound of the drums, there’s no way to tell what Jukka or Kai’s actual kits sound like from these kind of videos. Both drummers use top of the line drums and cymbals, that are professionally optimized and tuned before each gig. In a studio, the natural kits probably sound superb. The songs that are all mixed are also using drum samples that are being triggered by the live kits and augmenting the live sound. It makes them much easier to mix from night to night. What you’re hearing from Kai’s kit in this video is likely sound from a video camera microphone that is also picking up band instruments from the venue P.A.. Kai is using in-ear monitors, like most pros do, so you’re not hearing what he is hearing in his head. All you’re hearing is ambient sound with some delay, because all of the band volume is being projected towards the audience. As a result, everything sounds brittle and harsh... cymbals especially. Even in the professionally mixed videos, the mix engineer has an enormous amount of discretion, in addition to whomever is doing the multitracking at the Front of House mixing board. So all of this amounts to... we really can’t tell what the dry drums themselves sound like at all, in this context. 🤷🏼♂️
Okay, so what about this idea?
Just look at Emppu's situation and compare it to Jukka. Emppu is a great guitarist, but he is by no means anywhere near the best in the world. But he doesn't have to be because he plays in Nightwish and Nightwish favors crisp, isolated and clear sounds over sloshing together a lot of individual sounds in one mad flurry, so a lot of the things the best of the best are renowned for is simply not needed.
It actually comes from the fact that Nightwish is a Symphonic Metal band. Since they layer lots and lots of different instruments on top of one another, the individual instruments need to have a very crisp and clean sound to them since any excessive embellishment would either drown out the rest of the arrangement or get lost in it. Simply put, the ability to do mad rushes and improvs is not needed in Nightwish.
At least that's the opinion of someone who hasn't played any music in ten years. If someone with actual experience wants to come in and correct me, go right ahead.
I agree with you 100%. And please remember, I like Jukka’s playing style a lot. I think the other important point, is simply the experience of being in a band. Nightwish is past two decades now. Having a bond, being able to get along with everyone on a tour bus, in addition to playing sympathetically, is all critical to any band’s longevity. Especially once you get into your forties, have spouses and children... as much as you may love your band, you love your kids more. So all these elements have to work together. Whether Emppu can or cannot play what Jeff Loomis can play, for example, doesn’t really matter. His playing works fine in NW and the band all get along well. We also have to remember that Nightwish is not just a band of musicians-it’s also a business that employs many people, and costs significant money to operate on a month to month basis. All the more important that everyone gets along and wants to continue working together.
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I think Jukka's version is better at the end . But Kai is awesome also. :D
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You talk to much.....
It's actually pretty mediocre.
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