Tony Parsons' Talk and Q&A at SAND13 Doorn, The Netherlands
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A unified reality in which there are "not two" or there is "nothing apart" surely confirms the illusory nature of separation. If separation is illusory, then any attempt to not be separate is rooted in a dualistic perspective. So the basic principle of any guidance which attempts to transform an illusory state of being separate into a state of at-oneness is based on the belief in a divided reality and cannot therefore claim to be non-dual.
However, as long as oneness appears as a seeker with personal needs there will also arise a personal response and guidance from others together with a description of their approach to satisfying those needs. Teachings apparently happen together with recommendations and processes to help the seeker change or be more open to a better experience. This personal guidance assumes the existence of free will, choice and the ability and need to pursue a progressive path leading to personal fulfillment.
The open secret perception is that what is ultimately longed for cannot be taught, given, attained or known.
The view here is that the sense of seeming separate is an illusory state which drives the apparent seeker to search for another illusory state called enlightenment. Any activity which supports this construct is apparently only reinforcing and perpetuating the same dualistic illusion and attempting to create personal experiences that can make the sense of separation more acceptable... for a while.
It is all only oneness playing a game of hide and seek. The open secret exposes what it sees as the myth of separation and personal enlightenment. It will also attempt to describe the nature of what is and isn't and point to the paradox of no thing simultaneously appearing to be everything. www.theopensecr...
My suicidal depression is history thanks to Tony and I haven't even met him. The downloads of talks from his website was the best spent money in my entire life. How will you comment that?
How's it going
@@markman950 suicidal thoughts still arise,but thoughts have no awareness of what they
Yes ..Tony is giving us a beautiful Truth ❤
Nothing and no one is truly real Iand definitely not separate
The laughter in the audience is wonderful... true liberation and great release! They realise how silly seeking is. Seekers are soooooo heavy! (including me when I seek!)
I would choose a heavy seeker at my table everyday than a pseudo advaitin hypnotised to absolutize everything compulsatory.
The me can do nothing BUT seek. Incessant thought proliferation fuelled by the me energy. Seeking doesnt just mean seeking for the sense of me to fall away ( enlightenment), its ALL the incessant thinking which happens all on its own. Usually based around fear, desire, guilt, blame, shame. And perhaps more subtley as ' I am doing really well with Presence practise'
@@M-i-k-a-e-l who are pseudo Advaitian??
Do explain it with examples
@@ANANDSINDHU10
No, I do not have the energy to write meaningfully about it here. Lots of articles on the net, though.
Tony has spoken of this joy many times. He calls it childlike wonder, unconditional love, etc. You both got lost in translation, but that's what happens when you try to express it in words. You speak of the same thing. It's only the words that make it seem like you're opposing each other.
It's easy when life goes a certain way, but when it becomes catastrophic, and there is fight, etc, then we're is the 6. It is easy to follow when the situation is like falling in love. Acceptance in the middle of chaos is another story I m style gratefull for the message though. ☺️
18:06 Listen good to this man.
The self is never finished. It is all a process, a never ending story of life. There is no final goal, doesn't matter for no one or anyone. "I" or "not I", who cares? Self is unlimted, boundless, it has no ending and no beginning. Every ending is doubtful in itself.
Great courage from him, thank you for speaking up. Sadly some people are so closed up in their concept.
He says there is no self.
@@mozis88 It can be confused what no self means, it also doesn't mean attachment to nothingness. Self in this sense I wrote, I mean that what you are beyond words. It's unfindable, undefinedable and has no form, but you can never loose it also. Of course there is no self in it as in a sense of "I", but that self (call it what ever you want), is never finsihed, because it is everything. I refer to it as self, because it's already YOU and that is a neverending process. So be doubtful of who ever claims to have reached a final goal, doesn't matter if no one is talking about it or somebody. Consciousness, if you prefer as word, is a never ending process. That is the truth in the Yin Yang symbol. The truth is beyond existence and non-existence and even beyond. You can not loose your story, because you were never in it in the first place. And still, the story goes on. Of course the story of "no one here anymore" is part of that on going too, if you want so. What I find missleading is, that Tony not enough explains that this is a story too. Instead it seems he claims there would be no one be there anymore with a story and this leads to a apparent illusion of differences. "He loosed something and you can too". No, you can't, but in the end that would be doing too. Again: There has to be done NOTHING. It is already all complete as it is. As I said: "I" or "not I"? Who cares? Who is still there and cares about that crap? I don't know for sure.
@@quantessenz I still agree with you, still not with Parsons, but according to your answer, you see it that way too. Thanks
@@mozis88 Thank you
I often picture myself in an outerspace. Just being there. Not the body, just the mind. Dark,empty,black,silence.
Thanks for uploading this Maurizio. Lovely stuff Tony. Of course it's not about him or his approach. Boundlessness doesn't care whether you sit meditating or picking your nose. 'This' is freedom from those limiting concepts. Love to see the unedited version! Boris x
Wonderfully succinct and poignant! Thank you for uploading. HIGHLIGHTS: 18:10 to 23:37 there is a heated exchange, worth watching multiple times. Lots of laughter and fun, such a joy to watch. 😇
"We are the mirage thinking that its real because it has a story."
Jim Newman
It's hard not to like Tony Parsons, try as I might. :)
I find it easy
One of the very few voices of clarity in an apparent world of dreaming and misunderstanding.
Clarity is an illusion...
@AWAKE ENLIGHTEN ☺
Finally great sound...not like the other videos...
Most commenters here have a very idealistic idea of liberation. A teacher can't get mad, a teacher can't get irritated. RUclips is the source of a lot of the information they aquire. Over the years, to note a few examples, there was a great woman sufi teacher, with lovely youtube videos. There was a story about her, in which she totally got extremely angry at a disciple and an audience member was judgemental of her anger. Mooji also recalls, the first time he gave a talk, it was rehearsed around an idea, he finished it quickly and said felt awkward and embarrassed and from since then decided to not plan the talks. Ramana Maharshi, in one of his books, there was a recalling of him feeling a great sense of embarrassment because he was served more than someone he was sitting with during dinner. And another story in which the followers of a guru were not told about a heart attack he had as that would disrupt their image of him as a perfect divine being. And this is besides gurus falling out with followers, audience members etc.
If anyone researches any great guru in depth, they will see examples of emotion and mistreatment from time to time. I don't mean to judge, just to hope that if someone reads this, it will help them realise enlightenment isn't a 2 dimensional state in which you can never be irritated or angry.
No one is ever truly fully enlightened. If they were they would not be appearing.
Yes, it seems like everyone is constantly looking for proof that the speaker is a fraud, and the slightest indelicate behavior is just enough to prove it to them.
Having to chuckle about the comments. He's already said that he's using language (language is mentation) to describe 'what cannot be described', so then people are saying that; 'oh he said that here, then he contradicted himself there' blah blah..
Language is relationship!!!
Exactly, people try to become like third-rate lawyers, nickeling and diming every word and contradiction.
What a beautiful message!
It's true, egos love accusing other egos of being egos. Thank you for that reminder.
No body is a doer. Everything happens and after the action there is an illusion that it is done by me.
That understanding is liberation leads to unlimited joy.
Because the guy never actually got round to asking a question. He simply loves the sound of his own voice.
Exactly, he just loves to hear himself speak. My first thought about the guy. Tony's message helped me a lot, I can't bear to hear any gurus any more, I am done with seeking, life sucks slightly less:))))
I recognised the voice of that guy - it was Igor Kufayev! He has a bit of a bee in his bonnet about the more radical non-dualists.
There is no he
tony parsons I love listening to you x you're EPIC
ZZZZZZZZZ
Love watching this video , a true vedantic.
I am baffled by the idea that this is without joy. I see total joy and delight in Tony. I also find the idea funny that this message is easy, for the masses. It's clearly not easy or for everyone, as based on the comments. To truly get it is profound, permanent relief. It is the most pure message I've ever encountered.
sadly the message is a lie
The most likely positive "experience" one gets from a Parson's talk is a muted "aha!" and once you've the talk(or shortly thereafter), you're just back to square 1 with all your conditioned ego driven habits intact
+kwixotic meant to say once you've heard the talk (forgot the word "heard").
joy is a concept, and the fact that you think it needs to be there or that it is relevant that joy is there means you are distracted by surface effects. To what is always here, there can be joy, hope, love, hate, fury, or anything else. It has no preference for joy. As soon as you say 'this is a state that has total joy' you are setting up a condition for a time when joy will be absent, and then there will be a 'someone' who has lost the 'joy' who is trying to find it again.
It's like calling the sky blue. Yes the sky is blue, but get close enough to it's blueness and it will not be blue. At a certain point it will turn black, into the pure emptiness of space. The sky is only blue from a certain point of view. There is joy from a certain point of view. But the absolute is not inherently joyful. It may display joy, but it is not joy at all.
it's ALL a concept, even your idea of my distraction is a concept. i was responding to comments that the physical being of TP didn't look joyful, i saw great joy and always do in him. not requiring it judging it or setting up any conditions for it, those are all your concepts.
i see alot of people comment who are in denial about his message.He is very honest on where hes speaking from.Hes speeking the truth.No bs.
Tony is brilliant and funny !!Words are at best only pointers, concepts, they can never convey What is.....Freedom is what is.....
Its all belief.... like all spiritual disciplines...
Not to add fire to the dialogue but to clarify... Tony has been given a specific, quite short, time for his presentation and people asking questions are asked to be brief and not to try stealing the spotlight... As organizers we support short question getting to the point... again, this is only a technical remark to help understand the context in which the conversation has been presented with no intention to get involved in this dialogue... :-)
This IS THE MIRACLE!!!
Tony is great. He doesn't say any unnecessary crap and is straight to the point. What an 'enemy ' to a person's ego centre!
Mind wants entertainment, so does ego idea although we are not the mind and e billions believe they are their mind. What a blessing is Non - Duality teaching! What a relief to know that we are already That but it got covered by concepts of separation, individuality, when our parents called us by our name. Enlightenment is a concept also as it has to be achieved in the future. Past, future or time don't exist so can enlightenment that happens to someone in the future exist?
Again, nothing wrong with people who love their spiritual Path. As long as 'journey to enlightenment' is enjoyable it is still OK.
Advaita is great for people who are desperately looking for help, suffer psychologically and where psychologists cannot help. They can patch it up a little but it is not a permanent solution. One only has to recognize their True nature and reduce depression and anxiety attacks - the illnesses of the modern world. Advaita is a shortcut to it. There is no way but it has to be expressed by using concept called words - yet every word is incorrect as soon as we say something. We breathe the air, our cells are getting replaced, we don't know our next thought - how can we be a decision maker?!
Everything is just happening - hearing, seeing, touching, smelling. No - one does it. Exactly same as in the nature where there is no resistance. People resist as they have capacity of reasoning same as birds having capacity of flying or dog has a great capacity of smelling or hearing. But the sun doesn't call itself 'sun' or it doesn't claim that it is 'shining'.
+Sabine H (Non Duality Down Under)
+Daramantus lol
we ARE the mind.
everything doesnt happen if nothing makes it happen.
touch happens yes. when you touch something tgen it will obviously will happen. hearing happens yes to you.
and so on
"cells are being replaced" yes in your body.
thinking doesnt happen. you think . you make the thinking.
now unconscious thouvhts are different.they happen to happen because you are giving attention to them. they'rr just your memories..unvinscious memories.
77 Sounds This is all real cause if I call 911 somebody comes.
It's not hopeless if you are a seeker, I don't think there's "nothing you can do". The mistake is we find ourselves looking for answers in the future or in special experiences. Then we realize there is something much more profound and interesting that is present prior to all that. This marks a profound shift of attitude, a movement away from time and becoming to a consideration of something ever-present and beyond doubt, utterly untouched by time and thought.
John Wheeler
Interesting that Igor Kuvayev felt the need to speak out to Tony during his limited time of Q&A. It seemed as if Igor simply wanted make a public point that Tony is not as enlightened as he is and is "doing it wrong". How's that for enlightened folks....:-)
Tony was exactly right in pointing out, "what's your problem w/everything having to be experienced as joy" (paraphrasing).
The whole thing was weird but kinda cool to see at the same time.
I guess hecklers happen as well...;-)
Urayis wish l I do as well and don’t buy what he’s selling either
who is igor kuyav??
@@soofitnsexy ruclips.net/video/5Z6XMkUdZ_I/видео.html
@@megashira1 thanks Ill check him out although he sounded like an ass here
He spoke in perfect eloquence the authority in his voice is not arrogance at all.
Tony is great if you want an intellectual understanding of 'there is no one'. With this you can be superior to seekers, superior to Ramana, Nisaragdatta and all previous teachers. With this non-dual sword you can cut off every argument with 'who is saying that?'. With this understanding you can continue to be selfish and self obsessed because you know that really there is no one. If you were a psychopath before the energetic shift you can be one after too because there is no psychopath.
You sound like a fundamentalist Christian. After the shift, as you put it, all the destructive driving forces of thought that arise from the experience of being a separate individual (fear) drop away as well.
Superior to Sri Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj ??!! Are you kidding - Check out the Ultimatum Ointers from Nisargadatta - Ramana and Nisargadatta are unparalleled!!!!
@@rogeredwards4871you sound like you just made an attack.
Tony Parsons is a rare real deal. Much respect to this beautiful Nobody!
It is not short of astonishment that Tony Parsons was able to compress so elegantly in modern tongue the entire Sutra of unadulterated Buddhism.
Even though Great Britain as an empire has many a criminal repertoire in her shameful history, when he says there is nothing to teach, I knew immediately he was a genuine Buddha from England.
I have been to a few meeting and it cost £10.00 which is hardly going to make tony Parsons rich !! Everyone is so blooming serious about this but. It is really simple and the result is laughter.. stop taking yourself so seriously... Just enjoy...
I'd prefer Benny Hill or Mr. Bean to him.
BEING has always been the only identity. There never has been a separate identity. Therefore there is no need for anything to change at all including having to drop the self and having an energy shift. THIS IS IT! AS IT IS! (not how it will be when the self drops away)
NucklearFusion Oh there is separation because if I don't put a condom on my boyfriends penis, his sperm will find my egg and split millions of times into a new us. That growth will emerge from me and all of us taxpayers will raise it.
@@XOXO-mb2vh , thanks for that beautiful image. My illusiory I enjoyed that little clip very much! Beautiful addition to the dream. Thanks again! 😘
wow, it's the grand High Priest of FUTILITY himself, tony parsons ! if there's nothing to do, nothing to get and nobody to know it, why does he bother to open is mouth at all ? what's the sensible response to hearing his message? never to give him even one more second of your attention? after hearing it once, why do people STILL waste their time chasing his wonderful message of Futilty?
It’s just is what it is. It’s futility is it’s strong point.
I truly love this comment, even though I don't agree with it at all. 😁"High Priest of Futility", so well stated, perfect choice of words.
No, what's amazing to see is how amazingly threatened New Age egos can feel when confronted by someone who doesn't seem to be saying what they all want to hear. If you don't want to listen to what is being expressed here, you are more than welcomed to try a different New Age doctrine and see how that works for you. Then come back and tell us of your amazing discovery. I'm sure we would all want to be enlightened by someone who "really" knows what they are talking about.
That's a nasty comment.
His copy of his book Open Secret came to my possession in such a mysterious manner. Introduced me to non duality.
happened to me as well with that book. the way I saw the book by accident. greatings Tony from holland
Free flowing unbounded energy is quite a description for something which can't be described.
Love Tony, get a kick the way his message seems to agitate all the enlightened ego's. lol
Yes it's hillarious.... and they do think they are so above it...the idea that any next person gets it is uncomprehendable to the pure ones:)))) vegeterian music as Tony would say:)
Tony obviously tickle yours. 😊
The message is simple.
It isn’t about you ! It isn’t about me/us!
Life , the world and everything in it isn’t about you or for you . But yet we try our best to make it about us. We go to the ends of the world to try and make it about us. I didn’t see this at first until now today. It took 3 days to get this message. The first day I caught a glimpse of it. The second day, I started to get angry and annoyed at the speaker because I felt he was just rambling nonsense, double-talk and gibberish. The 3rd day, I pull this up , listen for a few minutes and finally it hit me ! The words “ it isn’t about you/me!” hit me like a ton of bricks . Let that thing (the me) die! It’s glorious! Totally liberating even though there’s no one being liberated!! (It’s sounds like double talk doesn’t it? LOL )
That was quite entertaining. This guy is great. Either he is on to the absolute truth of our existence or he is just a huge troll conning people out of their money. I can't tell which. But he seems to be have a blast either way and I did too watching.
A huge troll is still a finite concept.
Actually, a huge troll has no reality, not even to the fictional person. It lives under a bridge which cannot be said to exist, and when it eats the 3 Billy goats gruff it is only eating the labels "Billy", "goats" and "gruff". (editted)
Well that's obvious
Life's purpose is inherently in it's own arising, here and NOW. We see life through the filter of our conditioning and try to make sense of something that cannot be understood in time. You live in time, you'll need a purpose for everything. This and ONLY THIS is it!!
love is all,
all is love.
thx...
To be fair to Tony he has always made it quite clear that his motivation for holding the meetings is money, He also is quite forthright in making it clear that he is not motivated by compassion or care.
Hi there, I did not have that impression at all. I think that you misunderstood his joke. 😀
He is very compassionate and loving actually. He won’t entertain your illusions. You can’t get more compassionate than that.
I would like the uncut version of Tony Parsons talk at Sand. Why was the talk edited??? If we are seeking freedom to be what is , why take out the controversy conversations and confrontations where he was challenged by other teachers??? It's all part of what is, please allow for a full version to be viewed in an uncut version for those of us that want the boundless truth , Thank you. JaCi
Thank you for your clarification, and I understand your intention not to get involved in the dialogue. Suffice it to say that imho there is no excuse for reacting rudely to unwanted questions, and we should all at least aim towards a basic common human decency. Non-duality is not an excuse for treating people badly because there is no one.
The guy asking the question is full of crap and high on an idea of some "cosmic joy". There is no such thing in reality, but the mind wants it to be and therefore invents and defends it. It was difficult for me to listen through the guy's new-age mumbo jumbo, so I perfectly understand Tony's reactions. Tony didn't do anything other that point out how absurd the guy's reasoning was. The guy is absolutely high on "joy" idea, which helps to nurture his sense of self.
Just freedom. Complete freedom
So very clear, thanks 🙏🏻
And yet Tony would say that even being freed from one's depression is not much of an upgrade, apart for the apparant self. Though it is true that after listening to Tony and really sinking your teeth in what he's saying you just can't take life too seriously anymore. But most of humanity, of course, takes life way too seriously.
Consciousness creates duality for a purpose. The relative is not the ultimate, but it has a purpose and value. Be in no hurry to "transcend" it just because it is more than it appears to be.
The man speaking at 18:09 sounded silly and cheesy. His cup is full of spiritual nonsense and was trying to teach Tony Parsons a lesson in higher spirituality HAHAHAHA
waiataaroha have to agree...Tony would hear little of Igor’s baloney....good job Tony!
I think the man spoke very respectfully, and it was not baloney. What he says is as much a part of creation as what Tony says.
Even if ”THIS” cannot be known, it must still be a knowing that ”This” cannot be known….
There is no knowing, (there is no one TO know.) “This” is beyond knowing and knower. There is not even a knower to know there is no knowing.
There is only “happening”
@@moonsloop5464, what knows that there is "happening"?
that's loopin'
you are the best and the most adorable no one. Gracias
Thank you for keeping destroying everything that the mind can get hold of.
You can't destroy something that is not real...
Every thought I've ever had is a lie.
Dear Richard... I am delighted to hear SAND is making a lot of money with this... maybe one day we'll get some to pay our debts created by organizing this events and making films on Nisargadatta Maharaj as our only income... :-) Can you share with us where did you get such non-judgmentally enlightened point of view?
Thank you for releasing this and financing the production, I've watched it several times and love it.
@NuclearFusion: The time you spend trying to overthrow what Tony is saying is the time your little self is trying to build itself up and avoid seeing the possibility that it itself is not as important as it has always believed itself to be. Lighten up, mate!
I just can't help myself :-). I love to niggle the neo's who so love to cling to the idea that they have the 'real' ultimate understanding because they intellectually can get that there is no separate self. They reduce the amazing infinite reality into a very strict dogmatic understanding and then feel superior and think they know more than others who have dedicated their lives to true humility and love for others.
NucklearFusion I have absolutely no problem with your reply, mate! Keep quibbling away!
***** Cheers mate!. I think your finally getting it: There is no one to quibble, it just happens for no one with no choice or purpose. It is divine quibbling. I quibble therefore I am (no one).
Basically the strategy of the path is in itself a mockery to the destination
It seems that the spiritual materialism is his reason to live this life that is not real...
The problem with this kind of teachings is that people by pass their own feelings saying: "everything is an illusion, I am not attached to anything".
At the end they are attached to "no attachement".
This guy loves monologues, mabe because there is no one else in the room...😂
23:03 it seems that the enlightened Master's ego has been touch...
Most who find this message, understand all the spiritual principles. Spiritual bypass is a great story for a person.
@@FirstPersonHood just as spiritual principles are a great story too...☺
@@geeme4549 Wonderful
Omg 1 guy was so annoying in that crowd lol tony handled that guy like a champ
Richard I just got back from SAND and it was wayyyyyy better than McDonalds… I hope I see you there next year!
this man, or lack thereof, is amazing
all the years of spiritual seeking / non-dual philosphising leads to this. Not even this particular talk, but the inescapable reality that there's only "What Is". Tony, the body-mind still seems to have many patterns of residual senses of seperation that inform his answers and mannerisms, but the freedom is quite palpable nonetheless
that's your me story
Excellent video, thanks for posting, much appreciated. New sub : )
actually, tony is not dissmissive. the questioner never gets to the point, and you can hear a woman that interrupts him and tells him to give up the microphone cos it's taking too much time.
Does he need to get the point? What a bastard
Well! people get trapped by Tony's message. They believe him when he says there is nothing they can do and so they give up everything except going to see Tony- which apparently isn't seeking because that just happens. Nothing changes for them, no energetic shift, or dropping of the self and they just wait, also believing what Tony says about his message being the only real radical message out there. But at the end of the day you are right- you pays Tony your money and you takes your chances.
Yeah, 10 pounds is a rip off, don't fall for that arse hole:)))
too simple to be concerned.
Freedom ❤
The guy is telling the truth , there is no why there is just it is . The urge for an answer is a clinging which is fine , but anywhere one thinks it will take them is imagination . People love to try and wrap the dialectic around him. And the dialectic is also a clinging for concepts , which is fine just understand their limitations and scope of influence . He is not telling you life is depressive just it is not what you question, think, emote, or desire it to be.
Tony had an experience of his self dropping away when he was 20 and later on discovered that he could sell this idea to others. He can charge whatever he wants as far as I am concerned his motivation however remains the same..Without seekers Tony has no audience. Out of interest can anyone tell me by what means, method or magic does Tony use to take the seeker from seeking to liberation?
Well, he would say he doesn't "take the seeker" anywhere because there ISN'T any seeker - there's just what's happening. He's got a good game going collecting money from all of those apparent separate people who believe that they are real and can go somewhere if they listen to him. Oh, the irony.
@@keithpopko7068 Well he's not the only one to say they are standing next to the river selling water.
It's the whole thing Keith.
The perfect lover
This man is very smug. He's clearly getting off on spreading a slightly new and subtle idea that is tickling a lot of people's ego. And what does it achieve? (yes, of course he'd say "nothing", but lets put that game aside). What real expansion follows? Those who love his message are kidding themselves if they don't think it's not just another belief / idea. I care about things that actually transform people's lives. Like a former drug addicts or criminals that took some path / made some effort / some decision and totally turned their life around for the better. Now that is amazing in our time-space reality. Would anyone really transform their life for the better after hearing Tony speak, no.
no such thing as ego, everyone is different.
tony is evil.
that's why there is good and bad
he spreads nihilism and doesnt understand life.
The guy in the audience talking to Tony at 22:00 does seem to be getting on Tony's nerves - as seen on Tony's facial expressions. That tells me someone is actually there who does feel a bit agitated by the guy talking to him.
Those are just emotions.
More like reactions.
"Jjust"
The questioner continued for a very long time and was going in circles at one point, it was quite confusing, I imagine most people have the same reaction when someone begins a short speech with no seeming end. I was listening and I also didn't understand what he was trying to say or ask
@@dougs390 You think when the subject object collapses there is only a stone Buddha left?
Spiritually and enlightenment has nothing to do with the fulfilment of the ego as Tony says, but with the dissolution of the ego.
There is no ego...😂 because there is nothing.
@@geeme4549 So, you are a body-ego nothing. Una humanidad hypnotised by the ego, think and talk as an ego and say the ego is nothing.
And all great masters like Jesus Christ, Krishna, Babaji, Ramana, erroneously, told us disolver the Ego by intense sincere practice, since according the egohumanoides the ego is nothing.
@@atmannityananda-autognosia
I was beeing ironic because I saw other video of this guy and people call him frustrated asking for aswers and the olnly thing he responses is " everything is an illusion".
What is the reason to be a teacher if you dont say nothing?
Once I had an expierence of unity and I am open to this...
But he is not teaching or inviting people to be open to the posibility of unity because they cant even speak because "he is no real".
Regards
@@geeme4549 I was 2008 in Berlin in one of his meetings in order to have a direct conversation with him and show to the audience the fallacies he says about spituality and practice.
I asked him and I told him some ideas about spirituality and he was embarrassed and annoyed as well. And finally when I told him that spirituality is to live the peace eternal. And obviously annoyed he told me: 'peace is so boring'. After hearing his no sense opinion I left the room.
🌺🌞🙏
@@atmannityananda-autognosia You just simply failed to resonate with TP description of life.
It's amusing how joy is devalued here. Tony used to talk fondly about Joy without cause. Now I guess that would mean that there is someone and so it has to go. Pity as if this was tony's perspective then the love and care would spill out into his teachings rather than the blankness and devaluation of everything other than the there is no one doctrine.
Is Igor Kufayev asking a question around 18:00?
Yes
"Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God."
ACIM
What this man says is true, but it is nothing that any good zen master doesn't know forwards, backwards, upside down, and sideways. I sympathize with any guru who cautions against gurus, but you do have to see the humor in the contradiction.
Two understand to realize these two form of Oneness is a unique composition of living reality.
Igor Kufayev tries to complicate things as normal, so sweet :)
How can he meet this "person" half way when his whole point is that there is no such "person" in the first place? You missed the whole point of his talk because you're listening with your ego. It's so curious how people are finding themselves feeling angry and defensive listening to this benign old guy talking about literally nothing. Clearly, his teaching is very effective on a certain level. Go Tony!
Persons vs Parsons = brain cells thinking "I do not understand, let's produce some words with a question mark" vs brain cells thinking "apparently no apparent understanding happening over there, let's produce some so called words with an apparent exclamation mark". Same difference. Cheers.
This is a very interesting video I hope someone subtitles it into Spanish. There are many people in spanish speaking countries that will appereciate that.
Seeing through the "I' has had a wonderful result for you which cannot be denied. Do you notice that you now have more compassion and love for your fellow beings? Do you understand why others are caught up in mind imposed stories of suffering? Do you want to help them?
spittin facts in that intro
1 Beyond etc. -beyond the relative world which is a mixture of existence and non-existence. The world is said to be existent as it is perceived in ordinary consciousness, but to be non-existent as it is lost in super-consciousness. Knowing the nature of the world, the man of Knowledge is quite unconcerned with it. ASTAVAKRA SAMHITA
He is always rude to some person or other; (23:11-23:29) I just really struggle to get over his treatment of people. Also he speaks very disparagingly of other 'spiritual' teachers like Spira. Surely, at his level of 'enlightenment' there is no need to disparage anyone - and to set his 'teaching' apart from others' is just another demonstration of the dualism he evidently so detests? Why would someone who's NOT a someone, who is nowhere, in no time, have need to cut anyone short? Or get irritated?
Look through the persona.
@@FirstPersonHood behind every apparent persona is the one
@@whatisthis-y8w WOW!
I think he handled it well. The guy was basically speaking in circles to say that he thinks there is a purpose to seek bubbling joy, which Tony thanked him for the message, also "apparently" felt annoyance, didn't try to hide it. It doesn't matter what Tony's personality is like to the message being conveyed here. It is the acceptance of everything, including the apparent annoyance. He simply sensed what was appearing, and I felt the same as the watcher.
@@perplexedmothhe thanked him to shut him down. Yes nothing unreal exists however, this reality is very real, it was created by the separated mind. One of the lessons is to learn to be kind. There are many wrungs to the ladder you can't jump over some. Not all are on the same wrung.
Joy can and will elevate one to another wrung. It's not nothing.
I don't think there's anyone in "that state". The highest "achievement" you could have as a human'd be to simply see life through the eyes of, e.g. a dog or a plant. Until dogs or fish start having satsangs and start discussing things such as "consciousness-bliss" I'll hold that these things were invented by the human mind alone, and that they don't exist anywhere outside it. Move just an inch out of the mind and the whole thing becomes invalid. Nature doesn't care about our many theories.
Yes I think he was tring to suggest that Tony had not yet reached enlightenment
and he had because he had a sense of joy of course Tony has'nt reached enlightenment because there is no such thing
I rarely comment on videos, but the reason why I will never go to SAND is at 16:11. In the middle of a discussion about ego-less-ness. everyone claps when he says “seeking is just spiritual materialism.” Ok, if you clapped, please show yourself out to door for being all ego.
Oddly enough, when I was watching this for the second time, I actually found myself wanting to clap, even before I heard the audience response.
everyone is all ego to an ego
He doesn't tell the "I" a solution, because there is no one there, but he also tells you there would be a problem.
“Wisdom tells me I am nothing. Love tells me I am everything. And between the two my life flows.”
― Nisargadatta Maharaj
Speaking of I Am is still referring to ego.
@@binathere2574 Every language is referring to ego.
Agreed.
in total agreement
The questioner @18:40 is Igor kufayev, now a spiritual teacher himself!
I hope he has learnt how to get to the point more quickly since his awakening.
@@cianosuilleabhain1685
I've checked his videos and no.
At 23:30 for someone who is not even there, his dismissal reaction to that guy was quite personal....
He didn't take it personally, he was simply being respectful of the fact that a hundred odd people came to a 30 minute Q & A and one audience member took the mic and spent almost 10 minutes rambling and never really getting to a question, so eventually Parson's firmly moved things on. He was beyond patient with the guy. They didn't pay to hear 1 audience member spend a third of the allotted time trying to formulate a question and never actually articulating it. It's not fair to the rest of the attendees.
Yes I have noticed all this too with Tony especially in person at his meetings. Tony offers personal enlightenment, the 'me; is seen through and the intellect concludes that this is full enlightenment. The give away is the narrow stingy view where nothing and no one matters and there is nothing wrong with society and the world (because I am safe in my enlightenment) and so no wisdom or compassion are needed. In fact compassion and caring is laughed at and seen as being primitive. It is a bit sad
What I see is defensive body posture, interrupting questioners for whom English is a 2nd language as they are attempting to conclude a thought, pedantic dismissiveness and even sneering facial responses and a charismatic church-preacher stance as he bullies the audience. A total snake oil salesman who reveals his lack of peace in every gesture…. Turn the sound off and compare to R. Spira, E. Tolle, Adyashanti when they respectfully listen to others. BTW- recognizing no self has brought this Being the most peace/joy ever, so dropping the little “I” is a real thing; it’s just that I can feel this guy’s manipulative, controlling vibe and it is anything other than “the peace that passes understanding “. Namaste y’all and be wary of those who don’t walk their talk. 🙏
I a agree. Just to add, no one or no thing is fully enlightened. If they were, they would not be appearing.
Sure, there might be a handful of those attending who manage to "get it" but unless one sustains a regular meditative practice, any insights gained are soon out the window. He merely talks a good talk.
This is the first video I’ve seen him clearly exhibit traits I’d have thought were exclusive to the seperate self. Impatience, frustration, anger. Anyone care to explain this?
Well - impatience, frustration, and anger do apparently happen. And a body’s brain does apparently function, but not always as one might apparently think it should. The Tony Parsons body can behave in any number of apparent ways. There is a message, and apparently no more.
In plain words, old energy reactions and patterns can still arise and pass, the old system still has it's imprinting/character, probably to a decreasing degree , but there is no feeling of a person being attached to this imprinting.
In plain words, we haven't made it yet.
It’s just what is happening. For no one.
I don't think it's especially unreasonable that Parsons was aware that there were other people there who wanted a chance to ask questions too. Rather than watch 1 audience member spend a third of the alotted time trying to articulate a question. It's not fair to the others. It's a matter of basic consideration for others. Despite whether he or they exist or not. 😊
I love the way that Tony's adherents have taken on the nihilism to such an amusing extreme. Joy is now seen as being crap and anything good that pertains to people totally poo-pooed. Compassion is for sissies. Love is foolish. So why bother? Because Tony tells us that by negating the self the non self can then be disassociated from all the nasties in life. And even better we can still be selfish and feel intellectually superior to those on a genuine path.
Well said.
Everything is aliveness for no one .
wow 'this' is very radical. 'He' has declared total war on the ego!!! 'I' feel blissfully irrelevant. It's very funny for some reason.
Poppy Currie I guess you had a moment
I guess only egos declare wars...
dam straight......he's a threat! :)
I've noticed in some videos Tony presents on his channel (that we are not allowed to comment on ,what are you afraid of Mr Parsons?) Tony dismisses God and also what he calls the modern word for God---Consciousness-- BUT he often refers to BEING........as I understand it, BEING (Absolute Being or the Absolute intelligence etc) is another word for God ......he seems confused..... he is referring to a BEING , isn't that dualistic? now i'm confused.
---Confucius him say ,engage brain before opening mouth,when talking about Advaita Vedanta. --Non duality-- which Tony also dismisses....... by the way he says "this is all there is" many times.......does that include BEING? or is BEING ALL there is?......and things are, but they are not......
I like Tony Parsons but I'm not so sure about his teaching ,which he says is not a teaching ,now I'm really confused,what's he doing then, trying to give us all the screaming abdabs ?
Oh there's someone there. There was someone there, hurt and impatient, when challenged about his lack of joy.
+Bill Callahan you seem fanatic and brainwashed
The guy who talked about joy was Igor Kufayev, you can also find his interview on Budhha At The Gus Pump channel. For me what Tony is referring to, is much more joyfu and freeing than
what Igor is talking about.
That Brown Shieeet whoever he is he was triggered . fact. Tony we triggered. fact. guess the point is why care.
That Brown Shieeet That's cause you wanna die. Naturally humans do what humans do. This mentality isn't natural. He and others that killed their identity are toxic to the truly alive. If this guy believed what he's selling, he wouldn't be alive. So he's getting something out of this to hurt others. He knows it. A predator of thought.
I hear that. Thanks for the reminder :)