Half Derivative Definition

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  • Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
  • In this video, I give an actual definition of the half derivative and use it to calculate the half-derivative of x. Thankfully we get the same result.
    In the next video, I use that definition to calculate the half-derivative of ln(x)

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  • @drpeyam
    @drpeyam  6 лет назад +101

    Some applications of fractional derivatives:
    There are surprisingly many applications of this, because it turns out that some differential equations in physics are written in terms of fractional derivatives, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_calculus#Applications
    There are three other ones I can think of:
    1) In functional analysis, it's an important problem to find a square root of an operator (I don't really know why, maybe to decompose that operator?), and what we really did is to find a square root of the derivative operator, because if you apply D1/2 twice, you get D, so (D1/2)^2 = D, so D1/2 = sqrt(D) in some sense.
    2) There is the nice formula in Fourier analysis that says that the Fourier transform of f' is integral of x e^(i something), and we have a similar formula for the fractional derivative, (I think, don't quote me on that) that the Fourier transform of D^(1/2) f is integral of x^(1/2) e^(i something).
    3) Fractional derivatives allow us to define nice spaces of functions (for example, those whose fractional derivatives exist and are square integrable), and sometimes in differential equations you have a solution that is not defined in the classical sense (i.e. continuously differentiable), but might belong to this nice space, which allows us to study those equations.

    • @PackSciences
      @PackSciences 6 лет назад

      Thank you

    • @albertodelaraza4475
      @albertodelaraza4475 6 лет назад +4

      This helps! Thanks Dr. P!
      ADDENDUM:
      I now know that Fractional Quantum Mechanics is a thing!
      Holy smokes!

    • @wankar0388
      @wankar0388 6 лет назад +1

      Ultra Nice Dr. Tigre Peyam!!!

    • @timurpryadilin8830
      @timurpryadilin8830 5 лет назад +2

      What about fraction integrals ? They can be defined as a linear transformation T(f) , such that T(T(f)) = Integral(f) +c (in case of half integral)

    • @Gelo2000origami
      @Gelo2000origami 5 лет назад

      @@timurpryadilin8830 for the fractional integral I think you can integrate the function, and then perform a fractional derivative.

  • @ffggddss
    @ffggddss 6 лет назад +87

    An intriguing idea. Before watching, I've tried to make sense of this. Here's what I got.
    The plan is to first define half-derivative of a constant power of x, by using the general form of k'th derivative of xⁿ, and plugging k=½ into that.
    Then it can be applied to any analytic function (defined as any fn that is equal to its Taylor Series), by applying it termwise to the fn's TS.
    D(xⁿ) = nxⁿ⁻⁻¹
    D²(xⁿ) = n(n-1)xⁿ⁻⁻²
    :
    Dᵏ(xⁿ) = [n!/(n-k)!] xⁿ⁻⁻ᵏ
    For k=½, that becomes
    D[½](xⁿ) = [n!/(n-½)!] x^(n-½)
    And for n=1,
    D[½](x) = [1/(½)!] √x = [2/√π]√x = 2√(x/π)
    As a check, we can apply the same formula to this, where n=½, and get
    D[½](√x) = ½√π
    and putting the two together,
    D[½](D[½](x)) = ½√π [2/√π] = 1 = D(x)
    And more generally,
    D[½](xⁿ) = [n!/(n-½)!] x^(n-½)
    D[½] x^(n-½) = [(n-½)!/(n-1)!]xⁿ⁻⁻¹
    so that:
    D[½](D[½](xⁿ)) = [n!/(n-½)!] [(n-½)!/(n-1)!]xⁿ⁻⁻¹ = [n!/(n-1)!]xⁿ⁻⁻¹ = nxⁿ⁻⁻¹ = D(xⁿ)
    showing that what we've developed is consistent with integer-order derivatives.
    The second step of the plan, applying D[½] f(x) by first expanding f(x) in a Taylor Series, and then taking D[½] termwise, is clearly possible, but pretty complicated, and I leave that to later, or to Dr. Peyam, to see whether that's what he will do.
    Watched.
    That's neater in at least one aspect, because it eliminates the need for TS expansion when applying ½-derivative to a general f(x).
    I'm pleased that our formulas agree, at least for α (= k) = ½. And I think that the way you've defined D[α] f(x) for α >1, insures that we will agree for general α.
    And that this means that you could define fractional derivatives either way, using whichever form is more convenient to the problem at hand.
    Separate question/issue: Do either/both of these break down for non-analytic functions? I'd kind of expect that both of them would...
    What say you, Dr. Peyam?
    PS, I haven't watched your earlier vid about ½-derivatives; I must remedy that!
    Fred

    • @awawpogi3036
      @awawpogi3036 5 лет назад +8

      im shocked that you did that half derivative of x lot more simpler. my mind=blown

    • @jahedasultana134
      @jahedasultana134 4 года назад

      Such a beautiful explanation. Thank you

    • @VSP4591
      @VSP4591 4 года назад

      @Cosmic Dissonance In my youth I had learned that a derivative is a limit: (F(x)-F(x0))/((x-x0) when x is going towards x0.

    • @VSP4591
      @VSP4591 4 года назад

      Well done, congratulation.

    • @MichaelMaths_
      @MichaelMaths_ 4 месяца назад

      @@VSP4591The limit definition can also be extended to the Grunwald-Letnikov fractional derivative from nesting limits n times (MVT and other stuff making it permissible) and then plugging in fractions

  • @JBaker452
    @JBaker452 6 лет назад +40

    It would be fun to show that the limit as alpha approaches 1 D^alpha f(x) = f'(x)

    • @smiley_1000
      @smiley_1000 6 лет назад +2

      John Baker you mean by using the definition of limits? Because if we just do it, we can just plug it in.

  • @debrajbanerjee9276
    @debrajbanerjee9276 6 лет назад +107

    Definition of (-1)th derivative is how we call integration

    • @mireksoja9063
      @mireksoja9063 4 года назад +5

      You are right. The the negative one (-1) derivative suggests inversion to the derivative - it is integration. More interesting question would be about definition of the derivative for -0.5 (-1/2). In other words, the definition for the negative fraction derivative.

    • @whatelseison8970
      @whatelseison8970 4 года назад +4

      @@mireksoja9063 It is the fractional integral. It works both ways. Here you can see Dr Peyam using the notation D^a(f(x)), which is equivalent to d^a(f(x))/dt^a whereas for the indefinite integral (antiderivative) we can give it its own operator J^a(f(x))=D^(-a).

    • @aaravgulati2
      @aaravgulati2 3 года назад

      @@jerryflamholz8565 indefinite

  • @MiguelGonzalez-hy4sd
    @MiguelGonzalez-hy4sd 6 лет назад +7

    That identity is to be fair one of the greatest formulas I've ever seen. Who came up with this??

  • @Metros23
    @Metros23 6 лет назад +19

    Whoa, never knew this stuff existed... Cool!

  • @XavierFabregat
    @XavierFabregat 4 года назад +6

    You know its gonna be a hell of a formula when you start writing a parsec away from the equal line.

  • @RalphDratman
    @RalphDratman 6 лет назад +2

    These talks are ridiculously fun to watch. What a blast. I feel good about liking mathematics here.

  • @dolevgo8535
    @dolevgo8535 6 лет назад +12

    i liked the other version more, but its always great to see other ways! thank you for the video! :D

    • @dolevgo8535
      @dolevgo8535 6 лет назад

      by the way, is the half-derivative of ln(x) just the negative-half derivative of 1/x? then we could use the formula you've shown the other video

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  6 лет назад +2

      There will be a video on that :)

    • @GinoGiotto
      @GinoGiotto 6 лет назад +1

      I think that the answer is no, because if you try to verify this doing two times the half derivative of ln(x) you should get 1/x and your answer doesn't respect this condition

  • @erazorheader
    @erazorheader 4 года назад +1

    Well, fractional derivatives only make sense within corresponding Hilbert or functional space. In that spaces you consider the eigenfunctions of D, so it becomes possible to introduce D^a. For example, if we consider functional space that is spanned by e^{i p x} for real p, then
    D^a f(x) = \int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{i p x} (i p)^a f(p) dp/(2 pi)
    Notice that (i p)^a is defined as a principle branch in case of non-integer a.
    Non-locality of D^a can be the easiest seen at the differentiation of x^b at real positive x
    because the answer will depend on how you extend x^b onto the negative values.
    For example, for (x + i0)^b, (x - i0)^b and H(x) x^b, H(x) is the Heaviside step function,
    the action of D^a is different at real positive x, even though all these three functions coincide at real positive x.

  • @earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542
    @earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542 6 лет назад +15

    Is it possible to do a "Half Fourier Transformer?" When looking for patterns I think it would be useful.

    • @restitutororbis964
      @restitutororbis964 6 лет назад +1

      Earthbjorn Nahkaimurrao He commented this above. Read his pinned comment.

  • @FractalMannequin
    @FractalMannequin 5 лет назад +13

    And somebody dares to call category theory "abstract nonsense".

  • @mireksoja9063
    @mireksoja9063 4 года назад +1

    Wow! Thank you! I was not aware for such interesting construction as the fractional derivative. It's opening new concepts for differential equation of such type of derivative construction! Further, if we replace alpha with another functions of another variables such as g(x,y,z,t)... Interesting. Thank you again.

  • @tariklahcen9928
    @tariklahcen9928 Год назад

    I wanted to take a moment to thank you for the excellent video on fractional derivatives. Your explanations were clear and concise, and I found the examples you provided to be very helpful in understanding this complex topic.
    Your dedication to your students and your passion for teaching is evident in your teaching style and the effort you put into creating these valuable resources. Your video has helped me immensely in my studies, and I am grateful for the time and effort you have put into creating it.
    Thank you again for your wonderful work and your commitment to teaching.
    Sincerely,

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  Год назад

      Thank you so so much!!!

  • @radiotv624
    @radiotv624 6 лет назад +4

    Ah I thought fractional derivatives were going to be harder, but this isn’t so bad!

  • @kaursingh637
    @kaursingh637 3 года назад

    sir excellent --please teach parabolic co ordinates -- u r topic r unique on internet

  • @binaryblade2
    @binaryblade2 5 лет назад +4

    This seems like a hilbert transform or some such? does this come from the fact that the derivative in fourier space is a multiplication by (jw)^(n) where n is the degree of derivative.

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  5 лет назад +3

      Indeed!!! It is very closely related to the Fourier transform, and there will be a video on that next month or so!

  • @yuvalpaz3752
    @yuvalpaz3752 6 лет назад

    Nice! I couldn't watch the videos for some time because of illness but I am happy to see interesting things here

  • @pedrocusinato02
    @pedrocusinato02 6 лет назад +1

    That is a really interesting topic, make more videos about it!

  • @JacobGoodman
    @JacobGoodman 5 лет назад

    Successive integration by parts will give you a series expansion for the fractional derivative too. It's an even easier method to get the half derivative of x than direct integration, in my opinion

  • @VSP4591
    @VSP4591 4 года назад +1

    Dear dr. Peyam, we all know that the first derivative is the tangent to the curve. What is the geometrical interpretation of half derivative???

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  4 года назад

      Check out the video half derivative as a limit

  • @James-zn4jl
    @James-zn4jl 5 лет назад

    I cannot tell you how much this helped me. I am so thankful for this. Subscribed and big like

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  5 лет назад

      Glad it helped!

  • @AndDiracisHisProphet
    @AndDiracisHisProphet 6 лет назад +10

    3:02 is this commutative?

    • @MF-lg8mt
      @MF-lg8mt 6 лет назад

      AndDiracisHisProphet incorrect. That property of semi-group is valid only under some conditions. For fractional integrals, there is no problem, however, for derivatives the situation is differente.

    • @AndDiracisHisProphet
      @AndDiracisHisProphet 6 лет назад +13

      What do you mean, by "incorrect"? I asked IF it is commutative, and you can either answer "yes" or "no", but not "incorrect". That has zero semantic value.
      But thanks anyway, I extracted the information I wanted out of your "answer".

    • @Tomaplen
      @Tomaplen 5 лет назад +1

      @@MF-lg8mt I think he meant if it is the same if you first take de 1/2 derivative and after that the normal derivative

  • @mustafaunal1834
    @mustafaunal1834 4 года назад

    Very good. Thanks a lot! You are coolest guy Dr Peyam!

  • @gregorio8827
    @gregorio8827 4 года назад

    I think you explained it, but why Leibniz rule can’t be use to evaluate the derivative of the integral?

  • @pokoknyaakuimut001
    @pokoknyaakuimut001 4 года назад +1

    Thank you

  • @dominikstepien2000
    @dominikstepien2000 6 лет назад +2

    Does this and the other definition that you showed quite a while ago always give the same results?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  6 лет назад +6

      Interestingly, it does for powers of x, and it doesn’t for 1 (there will be a video about that), and apparently it gives slightly different answers for sin and cos

  • @Byt3me21
    @Byt3me21 4 года назад

    Thanks, your videos are great and remind me of school

  • @PackSciences
    @PackSciences 6 лет назад +3

    Does the half-derivative have an application in physics or is it just some abstract continuous extension of the usual derivative?

    • @MarZandvliet
      @MarZandvliet 6 лет назад +1

      I'm not an expert, but I seem to recall that Feynman enjoyed a bit of fractional calculus. I also know of some books and talks which focus on applying the ideas to physics, like this one: www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/8072. How much mileage it gets in practice, I don't know. Doesn't seem too popular yet.

    • @PackSciences
      @PackSciences 6 лет назад

      Thanks for the info.

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  6 лет назад

      See the pinned comment

  • @markgross9582
    @markgross9582 4 года назад +1

    What if you use the Cauchy integral formula instead? I assume that would work as well.

  • @tedshoemaker923
    @tedshoemaker923 3 года назад

    This video defines D(n)f when n is a suitable real number.
    Which leads me to wonder about generalizing....
    * Suppose we let n vary on some (not necessarily real) interval I. Or path P.
    Under what conditions is D(P)f continuous? That is,
    If a --> b, then D(a)f --> D(b)f
    Is there some resource on this ?
    Just curious.
    Thank you.

  • @bennetjanssen4037
    @bennetjanssen4037 4 года назад +1

    I didn’t understand what a fractional derivative actually is. If a normal derivative of a function is a linear projection at a particular point, what is a half derivative then?

  • @wizard1370
    @wizard1370 4 года назад

    Very nice.

  • @LakshmiRupaMPHD
    @LakshmiRupaMPHD 3 года назад

    from which text book you have taken this definition sir it would be helpful for me

  • @federicocarlosmartinpolo7746
    @federicocarlosmartinpolo7746 4 года назад

    Once we have defined a fractional derivative operator, could you define a new operator for the derivative of the derivative; using the same limit expression used in the conventional derivative definition?

  • @gausiano3121
    @gausiano3121 4 года назад +1

    Hi!!! Welcome to Fractional Calculus!

  • @ashwinvishwakarma2531
    @ashwinvishwakarma2531 6 лет назад

    At 3:13 shouldnt we first take the half derivative, then the first derivative? Because if we first differentiate then take the half derivative our result will have some extra term from the lower bound of the integral. Like how integral of e^y dy from x to b is e^x-e^b, where instead of C we have e^b. If we first differentiate and then take the half derivative this constant disappears.

  • @calyodelphi124
    @calyodelphi124 6 лет назад

    I know I've asked about this before, but do such things as a product rule and composition rule exist for fractional derivatives? I.e., is D^a[f(t)g(t)] = f(t)g^(a)(t) + f^(a)(t)g(t), 0

  • @Fatih-hy7jj
    @Fatih-hy7jj 4 года назад

    How is it generated? Could you please share with me some understandable sources?

  • @journey_with_shivina
    @journey_with_shivina 4 года назад

    so very helpful!!! thank you so much :)

  • @gabrieloteromartinez8931
    @gabrieloteromartinez8931 4 года назад

    It's amazing :D, I really like your channel (I'm engineer) but, can you record your videos with higher volume? Please... Greetings from Colombia

  • @quantumfunction9150
    @quantumfunction9150 2 года назад

    Why do the limits of 0 to x always work? Is there a general proof that these singularities you mentioned balance out? I can't find one anywhere for the life of me 🤣

  • @szymon5830
    @szymon5830 6 лет назад +2

    How about if i want alpha to be some imaginery number?

    • @restitutororbis964
      @restitutororbis964 6 лет назад

      Szymon Misiewicz Dont think it could work since there is no order to complex numbers, thus the interval of 0

    • @szymon5830
      @szymon5830 6 лет назад

      OneInfiniti MathBoi So i am asking how to find a derivative where we can use complex number as a alpha. Is there a formula for this?

    • @awawpogi3036
      @awawpogi3036 5 лет назад

      @@restitutororbis964 he is asking the ith derivative and is not fractional, so he is asking if it is possible to have formula for the ith derivative

  • @ishratali2001
    @ishratali2001 4 года назад

    why we use integration in this formula please give me information

  • @eliavrad2845
    @eliavrad2845 6 лет назад

    Well, i tried to use the half-derivative again but got stuck on a bunch of annoying integral (integrals with those sin-1 tan-1 log answers), but i was able to get the x out and be left with a pure annoying integral (2/pi * integral sqrt(u)/(u+1)^2) from 0 to inf- which had to overall equal one since D(0.5)^2 x=1
    can you use the half derivative (and other fractional derivative) to find formulas for these type of integrals by using half derivative twice, using substitutions to extract x out of the integral and comparing with normal derivation?

  • @ANDROIDPOSTMORTEM
    @ANDROIDPOSTMORTEM 5 лет назад

    Hey Dr. Peyam..... I've a question..... For 1/2 integration how many constant should be there in solution 🤔

    • @sensei9767
      @sensei9767 5 лет назад +1

      Taking the half integral means integrating once and differentiating 1/2 times afterwards, so there will be 1 constant.

  • @BrainsOverGains
    @BrainsOverGains 6 лет назад

    Hey Dr Peyam I recently tried to find the Taylor series of the inverse function of x^x but I failed. Could you do a video on that?

  • @Cloud88Skywalker
    @Cloud88Skywalker 6 лет назад

    Because you take the (regular) derivative in the definition, it looks like to take the "half derivative" you take the derivative of the "half integral" isn't it?

  • @geovannycamargo1282
    @geovannycamargo1282 Год назад

    is there something like half gradient of a function?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  Год назад

      This but in higher dimensions

  • @joaopalrinhas5242
    @joaopalrinhas5242 4 года назад

    How would you apply the definition of limit to find the half derivative?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  4 года назад +1

      You can, I’ve done a video on that, it’s on my playlist

    • @joaopalrinhas5242
      @joaopalrinhas5242 4 года назад

      @@drpeyam Ok thanks. Let's see if I can find it. ^^

    • @joaopalrinhas5242
      @joaopalrinhas5242 4 года назад

      I'm having difficulty to find the video. Can you link it to me please?
      Thank you.

  • @manstuckinabox3679
    @manstuckinabox3679 Год назад

    "Partial differential equations are hard for you? ha! don't make me laugh, my boy here be solving them partial fractional differential equations, and let me tell you, linear is the last word you'd want to describe them as..."

  • @andresxj1
    @andresxj1 6 лет назад

    So, that was kind of a "removable" singularity?

  • @antonioperecia6689
    @antonioperecia6689 5 лет назад

    Could you explain the motivation for this definition (if there exists) ?

  • @_DD_15
    @_DD_15 5 лет назад

    What is the meaning of this derivative? Does It have geometrical meaning?

  • @Erik-yk9zf
    @Erik-yk9zf 5 лет назад

    Does it only work for fractions? Is there a sqrt(2) derivative or a pi derivative? Or even an i-derivative?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  5 лет назад

      Works for any real and even complex number! Check out my fractional derivatives playlist

  • @gregorymorse8423
    @gregorymorse8423 4 года назад

    Is there an intuitive meaning of the half derivative result e.g. in terms of ideas like slope of the line or area under the curve?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  4 года назад

      Yes, check out my playlist (I think it’s called half derivative as a limit or something)

  • @danielduranloosli
    @danielduranloosli 5 лет назад

    is it me, or should the integration limits have been substituted too since u=x-t?

  • @benjaminbrat3922
    @benjaminbrat3922 6 лет назад

    I am looking forward to the half derivative of ln, I got it but it's a mess.
    Apparently the full derivative and partial derivative do not commute, but is there a rationale for taking first the full derivatives and then only the partial derivative?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  6 лет назад +1

      There will be a video on that :)

  • @Arup497
    @Arup497 5 лет назад

    Dr. I wanna know "Is there any half integral?"I think the integration of 1/2 order derivative will give us the 1/2 order integral.But,l am trying to relate it with area formed by the curve.Is it possible?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  5 лет назад

      It’s the -1/2 th derivative

  • @donaastor
    @donaastor 5 лет назад

    Is it possible to define half-derivative for holomorphic functions? What properties do they have in complex plane? What happens on poles and with cauchy integrals?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  5 лет назад

      Great insight! I’m pretty sure the definition stays the same, except you do a contour integral instead. And not sure what happens to poles there, it would be interesting to explore this further

    • @donaastor
      @donaastor 5 лет назад

      @@drpeyam It is! I am asking that because if I prove that some peoperties remain in half derivatives than I have a way to prove for example that there is about x/sqrt(lnx) numbers that are sum of two squares and less than x.

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  5 лет назад

      Wow, that would be so cool! But I really don’t know what the answer is, since it’s mainly used for real functions

  • @carlosvargas2907
    @carlosvargas2907 6 лет назад

    En qué contexto surgió esto?
    Realmente no me hago idea de sus aplicaciones pero sí me recuerda el método de operadores para resolver ED's.

  • @_DD_15
    @_DD_15 5 лет назад

    Could you please prove that formula? I have never seen it. Also, does it have geometrical meaning? Thanks

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  5 лет назад

      It’s a definition, it can’t be proven. And yeah, there’s another video on the geometric meaning

  • @OBGynKenobi
    @OBGynKenobi 5 лет назад

    But how does that look on a graph?

  • @raffaeleoliva4014
    @raffaeleoliva4014 6 лет назад

    Beyond of maths for fun, does half derivative has an actual meaning or use in applications?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  6 лет назад

      See the pinned comment

  • @dgrandlapinblanc
    @dgrandlapinblanc 6 лет назад

    Not in hollidays ? Thanks !

  • @Diaming787
    @Diaming787 3 года назад

    What about complex derivative? D^i f?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  3 года назад +1

      There’s a video on that, I think it’s called imaginary derivative

    • @Diaming787
      @Diaming787 3 года назад

      @@drpeyam Oh thanks!

  • @alejrandom6592
    @alejrandom6592 3 года назад

    I call the gamma function the hangman function

  • @shiina_mahiru_9067
    @shiina_mahiru_9067 6 лет назад

    Just a bunch of thought now: how about fractional integral? alpha=a complex number? maybe fractional differentiable function? fractional integrable function? fractional partial differential equation? maybe FTC can apply for the half derivative of a half integral? maybe our knowledge can be extended to "fractional-dimention" world? people can talk about things in 2.5-dimention perhaps? or more fansy, functional derivative and integral?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  6 лет назад

      The alpha fractional integral is the -alpha derivative.
      Alpha being a complex number is completely ok, and there’s a related video somewhere.
      Fractional PDE absolutely exist, in fact that’s what motivates fractional derivatives.
      And there are fractional dimensions, google Hausdorff dimension :)

  • @Gam1n4eva
    @Gam1n4eva 4 года назад

    never knew Arnold Schwarzenegger was a mathematician

  • @destroctiveblade843
    @destroctiveblade843 6 лет назад

    why extend the definition of the derivitive in this way ? as far as I see there isn't much of a connection between this and the actual derivative

    • @nathanisbored
      @nathanisbored 6 лет назад

      it satisfies the properties that:
      1) it is linear
      2) and D^(1/2) of D^(1/2) of f(x) = D of f(x)

    • @destroctiveblade843
      @destroctiveblade843 6 лет назад

      interesting , and has it been proven that it is the only application that satisfies this property ?

  • @tomasnavarrofebre5876
    @tomasnavarrofebre5876 4 года назад

    Hi! I want to ask about the geometric interpretation of the fractional dervatives

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  4 года назад +1

      There’s a video on that, check out my playlist!

  • @yaochian_
    @yaochian_ 2 года назад

    clearly (D^0.5(X))(D^0.5(X)) is not equal to D(x),in this case, how could you say D^3/2F(X) is equal to DF(X)*D^0.5F(X)

  • @razielkeren6480
    @razielkeren6480 6 лет назад +2

    can you make a proof video?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  6 лет назад

      ?

    • @razielkeren6480
      @razielkeren6480 6 лет назад

      Dr. Peyam's Show
      what I meant to say is that it will be ‏beautiful to learn the proof of this interesting formula...

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  6 лет назад

      There is no proof, it’s a definition!

    • @razielkeren6480
      @razielkeren6480 6 лет назад

      Dr. Peyam's Show yes but how can I show that apply this operation a times(if alpha is 1/a) will give me the first derivative?

    • @dwaraganathanrengasamy6169
      @dwaraganathanrengasamy6169 5 лет назад

      Then could u explain us how the formula means....?

  • @jameroth7661
    @jameroth7661 5 лет назад

    7:22 2×sqrt(u)=2x^(3/2) ? What did i miss?

    • @isaacaguilar5642
      @isaacaguilar5642 5 лет назад

      Its would be 2Xsqrt(X) which is 2X^(3/2). It was an X not a multiplication symbol.

  • @pedrocusinato02
    @pedrocusinato02 6 лет назад

    If u do half derivative of 2 u get half derivative of x too... Why?

  • @alberteinstein7571
    @alberteinstein7571 6 лет назад

    Wo hast du eigentlich studiert? :D

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  6 лет назад

      In Berkeley, tolle Uni :)

  • @jensundlars1137
    @jensundlars1137 6 лет назад

    It also Works for alpha=0

  • @jortverbeek3407
    @jortverbeek3407 5 лет назад

    And if alpha is some imaginary number?

  • @gulzira7642
    @gulzira7642 5 лет назад

    f (x+h)

  • @user-yr3di7ut2r
    @user-yr3di7ut2r 4 года назад

    Hi ,professor how are you

  • @pladselsker8340
    @pladselsker8340 4 года назад

    ahhh god damn it this does not make any geometric sense to my head!! It never stops. The funny thing is that I legit thought about that in my calculous class the other day... Like, I thought "hey, we now know what's a derivative and an integral... but does something like half an integral exists or is properly defined? " or so. I did not ask my teacher because I thought it would upset my class about it (I always ask out-of-my-knowledge-set kind of questions, and so I often get big stares, like I should just shut up lol).
    What about D(i) ( i, the complex number, th derivative). What about D(i/2)? Although I guess you can simply apply D(i) before or after D(1/2) to do the operation.
    Each time I encountet a concept in math that seem to utilize natural numbers only, there is always somebody somewhere who destroys my comfort zone and show me that no, in fact, it can be used with real numbers and sometimes even complex numbers!! Ah!
    Like factorials.
    Does half integration exists? Is there a formula for this?
    Also, has anybody heard of continuous operations? Like something between an addition and a multiplication (operation 3/2)? or like between a multiplication and an exponentiation (operation 5/2)? Or... a complex operation? Like operation i lol
    Is there some concept that seem to only work with integers in math that cannot be "realyfied"?

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  4 года назад

      Check out my playlist

  • @Olydis
    @Olydis 4 года назад

    Check out medium.com/@olydis/fractional-derivative-playground-74e61c28721f if you want to play with fractional derivatives interactively :)

  • @Ivan_1791
    @Ivan_1791 5 лет назад

    That's cool that's cool. How about imaginary derivates? :)

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  5 лет назад

      There’s a video on that! Check out the fractional derivative playlist

  • @juniknytt2848
    @juniknytt2848 4 года назад +6

    A derivative is a derivative, you can't say it's half.

    • @ElectroNeutrino
      @ElectroNeutrino 4 года назад +2

      Someone here doesn't understand mathematics, and it's not Dr Peyam.
      Edit: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_calculus

  • @AirAdventurer194
    @AirAdventurer194 3 года назад

    In the spirit of this video ruclips.net/video/VI6ZlnkuxuA/видео.html , couldn't one take the Maclaurin series for $x^{\alpha} and plug in $\mathbf{D}$, then have that linear operator act on f(x)?

  • @fernandocharles2377
    @fernandocharles2377 4 года назад

    Dr Peyam=Dr Banner

  • @mathevethugo9544
    @mathevethugo9544 6 лет назад

    Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to show an equivalence between this integral formula and to decompose the function in a Taylor series (for a nice fonction) and diferanciate each monome using the extension of the derivative of such monome ?
    Also if it is possible just to go in Fourier's world, dericate the exponential easy peasy and go back.
    Thanks

  • @danielsugihantoro4152
    @danielsugihantoro4152 4 года назад

    At least the exponential part were 1-1/2

  • @gulzira7642
    @gulzira7642 5 лет назад

    How are you,

  • @112BALAGE112
    @112BALAGE112 6 лет назад +2

    Not a cynical question: When is this ever useful?

    • @Czeckie
      @Czeckie 6 лет назад +1

      search for the broader term 'fractional calculus'

    • @ashwinvishwakarma2531
      @ashwinvishwakarma2531 6 лет назад +4

      crowd modelling, since most humans dont follow smooth differentiable paths

    • @ashwinvishwakarma2531
      @ashwinvishwakarma2531 6 лет назад +5

      also sometimes physics, like statisitical mechanics, is done in 3-epsilon dimensions with lim[epsilon -> 0], so you work with fractional differential equations

    • @alberto3071
      @alberto3071 6 лет назад +1

      112BALAGE112 that question is forbidden!!!!!

    • @112BALAGE112
      @112BALAGE112 6 лет назад

      Czeckie Where is fractional calculus used?

  • @ManojSahu-mi9cm
    @ManojSahu-mi9cm 4 года назад

    Cartoon dekhna jada sahi rahega

  • @Rafi-be2ij
    @Rafi-be2ij 6 лет назад

    great video but i still don't understand how this is useful

    • @drpeyam
      @drpeyam  6 лет назад

      See the pinned comment

  • @mikevaldez7684
    @mikevaldez7684 4 года назад

    Big deal--you haven't proven the formula; you just plugged & chugged---develop the rich history of it's development going back to Leibniz & L'Hospital !

  • @debrajbanerjee9276
    @debrajbanerjee9276 6 лет назад

    Is the half derivative of ln(x) just 2/√(x) ?

    • @GinoGiotto
      @GinoGiotto 6 лет назад

      No, if you try to verify this doing two times the half derivative of ln(x) you should get 1/x and your answer doesn't respect this condition

    • @philipphoehn3883
      @philipphoehn3883 6 лет назад

      Gino Giotto it depends on what the half derivative of 2/√x=

    • @debrajbanerjee9276
      @debrajbanerjee9276 6 лет назад

      You lol the half derivative of 2/sqrt(x) is exact ln(x)
      Hears the explanation......
      D^(1/2)(2/(x)^(1/2)) is similar to differentiate 2/x^0.5 wrt x^0.5 so asuming x^0.5=y d/dy of 2/y is 2ln(y)
      =2ln(x^0.5)=2×0.5ln(x)=ln(x)

    • @GinoGiotto
      @GinoGiotto 6 лет назад

      Philipp Hoehn If you use the first definition you get that the half derivative of 2/sqrt(x) is equal to (-1/2)!/((-1)!*x) but (-1)! (which is Gamma(0)) doesn't exist so this formula doesn't work
      And if you use the definition in this video you get an answer that has no sense, because if you solve this integral at some point you have to divide by zero (and also using the limit doesn't work)
      So since the answer doesn't work in both cases, it is clearly incorrect

    • @GinoGiotto
      @GinoGiotto 6 лет назад

      Debraj Banerjee Your calculations have no sense, we are talking about if 2/√x is or not the fractional derivative of ln(x) and you try to demonstrate that the half derivative of 2/√x is ln(x)

  • @mendezluisfernando8551
    @mendezluisfernando8551 3 года назад

    :O