It is funny how you people are comparing old and undesirable products in society with something newly researched and made which is also high in demand. You are the problem here. If you would look at anything cars related in aftermarket, they go in thousands of euros. A simple maintenance bill for a car is half a grand. So what you people are about?
Most basic things are like 20% more expensive than 5 years ago. Even the things that weren't unobtainable for like 2 years. Expecting things to be the same price as they were a decade ago is delusional.
@@kaminekoch.7465Yeah, well salaries didn't go up at all or just a bit so companies can't expect people to be prepared to pay more. Its one of the reasons why AMDs sales have dropped badly.
Kinda smart ngl. Their highest end card is like $800 less and only 21% slower at 4k but can't reach the 4090, like ever. So if they make all their lower end cards just like that, same same performance as nvidia but like 20 - 50% cheaper? Could be better for us all.
They don't have the same margins on the low end cards, so they're going to need to do some innovation on that front first. Maybe if they can pull off an actual chiplet design that splits up the graphics die.
@@AAjax Pretty sure they're already on a design that is cheaper to manufacture than Nvidia's design, which means that if they keep the current offset to Nvidia they'll have better returns. Nvidia already had to backpedal 4070 and 4080 prices hard due to AMD. I think AMD abandoned their flagship because it would be very expensive to make but wouldn't sell well (like the 7900XTX). They'd rather take as much marketshare of the low/mid range, press their efficiency advantage and catch up in raytracing. If they succeed they can potentially match or even overshoot Nvidia's flagship in a generation or two and then slash Nvidia's prices. At which point Nvidia might choose to go all-in on AI instead, if that keeps being where the money is.
They did the same with RDNA1 (5700) and Polaris/GCN5 (480/580). It makes business sense when they can't come within shooting distance of the priciest NVIDIA chips.
@@Ranguvar13 The biggest problem with that is that even though there are a lot of tech RUclipsrs and you can find statistics and information everywhere, people still base their mid-range purchase off of how well the enthousiast side of a company does. The amount of times I've seen people discussing AMD vs Nvidia using the flagship models when they all had midrange cards themselves... To then defend their purchase based on that discussion...
AMD ceased to "fight" Nvidia on the price at the low and mid range since the RTX 30X0 era, they increased their price to be lower than Nvidia but not completly undercuting them so they get a better margin. I wouldn't hope they will try to fight the price again they just seem focused on keeping their margin high and sell at the range they want.
@@vigilantbruiser1119 I'm sure nobody is forcing you to use a better monitor. The vast majority of people will have a better experience and most likely no issues with eyesight when using a higher resolution and/or higher refresh rate monitor, so I don't really see why we should collectively stick to 1080p@60Hz. But we're probably gonna be stuck with that for quite some time anyway, since monitors with a high resolution and high refresh rate combined are unfortunately still incredibly expensive.
Built my niece a PC for Christmas, Built 2 more, upgraded my desktop, about to do so again, upgraded my gaming rig. So far 3 Intel Arc GPU's, A380, A580, A750. 2 AMD, RX7600, RX7600XT. The XT is now in my Gaming Rig does RT just fine over the RX6600 then the RX7600, the 7600 is in my desktop. So just in the last year I have grabbed 2 RX580's, 1 RX5500XT, the 7600 and 7600XT and 3 Intel GPU's so a little over 1300 bucks total 8 GPU's. Still less than 1 4090. All my PC builds plus my old Board in a test rig frame are AMD CPU's.
Prices are ridiculously high, most people wont buy Graphics Cards at the current price. Which is a bit of a issue because they increase the prices because they don't get enough sales, but the higher the price increases the less people buy them. I for one only buy AMD, Nvidia in my country is about 30-40% more expensive.
Nvidia cards are only around 5-9 FPS faster in their top cards and does not justify a 2000-dollar price point when AMD is only asking 900 dollars for their top card which can play pretty much all games in 4k@60 fps. Nvidia uses major over hyped advertising because they target kids that have no experience to know any better that there paying an extreme premium for 8fps and they also use their latest Gimmick called Ray tracing like they did in the past with Hairworks so to be honest there Gimmicks work because Nvidia targets kids and persons that are not informed so therefore they get tricked into buying an overpriced GPU and with Nvidia paying youtubers to hype up there GPUs were likely to see Nvidia stocks continue to rise until people start to see through there Gimmicks
I rejected the current generation lol, I just built a PC with a 5800X3D and a 6650XT. Less than $1,500, plays everything @ 1440p minus RT. Good enough for me!
Did you go to Business School or something? Your Titles and Thumbnails are on another level man..... I dont think I have ever seen you make a title or thumbnail that is nearly impossible to not click for someone interested in the PC space. I am actually being serious because you are very talented at what you do & would like to get better at it myself.
AMD being AMD... You can't charge 90% of what Nvidia charges when your product is clearly inferior... Nvidia has better upscaling, better Ray Tracing, better frame generation and they have convinced a lot of people that that stuff matters... AMD could fight back with more V-Ram and better prices, but they refuse to... Their low-end cards have the same pathetic 8GB V-Ram that Nvidia's cards have, and they cost about the same... but Nvidia has a better up-scaler and better ray tracing, does it matter on this class of card, well, no not really, but if the cost is the same why wouldn't I. This has always been AMD's problem. They have never been the first to implement a new feature, they are always copying Nvidia... and the copy is never as good as Nvidia, and they don't offer a big enough discount for customers to accept an inferior copy of whatever Nvidia's doing. AMD isn't as good as Nvidia If they want to compete they need to: 1. Offer more V-Ram than Nvidia AT EVERY PRICE TIER. 2. Stop with the fucking clamshell design and actually offer the wider memory bus that Nvidia refuses to offer to up memory bandwidth. 3. TAKE THE FUCKING RAYTRACING SHIT OFF THE LOW-END CARDS THAT ARE NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO EVEN TURN IT ON. 4. Accept a smaller margin on their products so they can LOWER THE FUCKING PRICES, cuz no one is going to buy AMD for 90% of Nvidia's price, they have to make it more like 75%... See, the 4060 is a clamshell 8 Mb V-Ram card on a 128-bit bus and it costs about $300 USD. The 7600 is a clamshell 8 Mb V-Ram card on a 128-bit bus and it costs about $270 USD, that's a 10% discount. NO ONE IS GOING TO BUY AMD FOR A 10% DISCOUNT. Now imagine that the 7600 has 12GB of V-ram NOT ON A FUCKING CLAMSHELL DESIGN, with a real 196-bit memory bus, and the price is $225 now would you be interested. OK, so the up-scaler still isn't as good, and the Ray Tracing still sux, but the memory is much better and so is the memory bandwidth and the price... but AMD couldn't do that and make a profit on the card. YES THEY COULD YOU GODDAMN MORONS. They wouldn't make nearly as much profit as they would like to make, the margin would be much smaller, but they would absolutely still make a profit, and they would take over the market segment that the majority of people buy in. Most people cannot afford a 4090, If you look at the steam survey the market is dominated by the more affordable cards. The card Nvidia offers in this segment is a joke, the 4060 is crap, problem is the AMD offering, the 7600 is just as crap and not any cheaper so why wouldn't I buy a 4060 and 90% of people do... AMD is stupid, Nvidia isn't even trying in the budget GPU segment, the 4060 is a joke... All AMD had to do was make the 7600 not dogshit... and they couldn't do it... so Nvidia wins again without even trying, cuz AMD is Stupid.
AMD is always the worst option. Has been since they started as ATI and will always be. AMD has invented and put in features at times (Tensilica DSP, TrueAudio Next) but those are always useless and nobody wants it. AMD does that always same like with their Ryzen CPU. Absolute junk and Intel always has the far superior options.
Their problem is marketing and not keeping everything closed source and being a unethical company like Nvidia. Most of AMDs techniques are open source. Vulkan was started using Mantle which cost AMD millions in R&D yet they gave it to Khronos for free, who turned it into Vulkan which we now all enjoy. Also, when you turn off RT the value for money on AMDs side is insanely better than Nvidia right now. Which means you can buy and AMD card that, without RT, can actually run games at native resolutions without having to upscale for the same price.
AMD cant catch up to Nvidia. Its like stoping a big wave with only your hands. They need to focus on the things they have and Nvidia dont, Vulkan or Fluid motion Frames. They will never catch up to Nvidia otherwise.
@@stysner4580 The unethical Company lets me play Graphics far faaaaar superior to AMD. AMD does not the Open Source thing because its lead by Jesus, AMD needs to because otherwise none buys one. Their GPUs are nearly the same Price as Nvidia Cards and AMD is also selling them 1000€+ Btw, i got more Features or improvments on Nvidia side as on AMD side and thats why i pay more for Nvidia.
AMD could have grabbed a lot of market share just by not jacking up their prices like Nvidia did. They chose not to, and now they are complaining about not having more market share? This is insane.
i think the issue for the low end is that graphics cards take a long time to break so a last gen high end card competes at the upper range and a 2 gen old high end card like a 2080ti at the mid to lower range.
Just wanna add, Steam survey is just that, a steam survey. I never took part in it, while I own a 2x4090s (diffrent rigs) however steam survey does not equate to market share while yes it still paints a grim picture for amd.
Actually this is quite simple to me. AMD currently have two problems, perception and value. There was a time that AMD cards were equal if not faster than Nividia ones at a lower price and even if they weren't on par performance wise, they were an option for people on a budget. That time is long gone. You point out the steam survey, but here is the thing: forget about 4090s and XTXs and point me to the midrange and entry level gaming cards at cheap prices, since that is where the vast majority of gamers are going to be and the perception going around is that AMD is an inferior product and if that product is not costing much less, well, you get the picture... to be fair, AMD software was quite disappointing for a couple of generations (some issues have never been fixed retroactively) and if you happened to have had an AMD GPU during one of those generations, you'd be less likely to continue with them. I will also mention that AMD are their own worst enemies. They had the tech during the current gen to produce a card that would have beaten the 4090, but chose not to make it. They could have also produced cards with features that gamers want, for less by not feeling forced to use state of the art tech. A 16gb card with slower mem is worth more to the average gamer than an 8gb card with lightning fast mem these days, imo. Moreover, they CAN sell their cards for cheaper but decided to follow Nvidia when they decided to hike prices during after the 1000 series gen. It is disappointing because if they do happen to fall so far back that they feel forced to exit the market I bet you any money that Nvidia will hike prices appreciably. Then there is the thing of going all in on AI (which comes at a cost). Maybe I am speaking only for myself, though I doubt it, but which gamer wants a GPU with specific on die features for AI processing? EDIT: Just want to be clear, I have had full AMD systems since around 2009 so I am not bashing them because I like Nvidia. BTW, back in the day I paid $250 for an HD4970 which at the time was just about the second fastest GPU on the market. Right there, is the problem.
It is okay. AMD doesn't want to compete in GPU segment. We should be grateful that Nvidia still keeps competing with itself and its older cars. Nvidia is such an amazing company, we should be grateful that it even bothers to sell its amazing products for us gamers. Such an insignificant and unimportant market niche.
I upgraded from my 5700xt to the xfx 7900xt. Super happy with the upgrade. Probably keeping this gpu for the next 10 years. I don’t see how AMD or Nvidia can realistically make another series of GPU that can perform drastically better than what we have now without costing way more than todays prices or without insane power consumption like 600W+
This is speculative but with Raja khadori going to Intel I feel like there was a backend deal to let AMD crown CPUs for a while to allow Intel to break in the GPU market with the goal to pressure Nvidia and Intel to hopefully make profit in GPUs because AMD never could stop Nvidia at the high end
AMD really needs to rethink their pricing structure. Just make low and mid range cards. A company doesn't have to sell crazy high price items to make money. Margins are lower at the bottom end but if you can sell a lot because of the value it ends up being the same thing.
goin from 6000 series to 7000 series AMD still made more sense than going from 30 to 40 series gpus in my opinion. some just have too much money. rip AMD
Most of us don't need top of the top cards, we just need good value cards, most of games are not that demanding. I still run vega 64 and i7-4790k because 90% of time it still runs more than good enough, and it's really good value, but it's so old that im only considering upgrade just because to have newer parts (considering my old parts might brake). Also i think it's time to reconsider bringing back sli and crossfire. Gpu manufacturers wants us to believe that multi gpu is not the way to go, but it was when the limit of 1 gpu was reached, and here come multi gpu solutions. I remember having 7750 and next year i just bought another 7750 and it was better bang for the buck than buying brand new gpu with 1.5x performance. System was silent and low power, and performed really well when it performed. And also, the benefit was that if 1 card breaks you still have working system, and also on low demanding titles it was super low power, and also running eyefinity was a thing to.
If AMD successfully makes a 8900 series only cost 500 bucks? That's a huge change for entire market. Definitely going for it. Just hopes Intel battle mage would not be disappointing.
In spite of me being extremely happy with my 7900 xtx, I believe I’ll give nvidia another chance, I’ve had rx 480 (beautiful card), rx 5700xt (tons of crashes), rtx 2080 super (tons of crashes) and a 7900 xtx (user error crashes after a year of use, power connector wasn’t connected right, now it works flawlessly again), I believe that I want the best of the best and that would be nvidia, but in 2 more gens in the future that is
I hope AMD can do the Ryzen effect on their GPUs, because Nvidia pretty much started to drag their feet again after the RTX 10 series. Ramp up number of compute cores and ram, try something new with ram. Explore an untapped or limited avenue that Nvidia is reluctant to even look at, like intel's CPUs being stuck with 4 cores. For example... what if there was a FPGA moment for GPUs - before the AI authorities ban even the ideas of it. More flexible to configure and use 1, but also make it more easily stackable -> better GPU pairing on the motherboard; start something new -> ask AMD CPU motherboards designers to add an additional slot after the basic 16x slot dedicated for AMD GPU cross-communication. FPGA type GPU, sounds initially like a handicap in sales for regular users, but considering the open source movement, games/professional programs could implement a module in their games/applications to support custom processing methods. I both see untapped potential and see it as upcoming necessity. In general motherboard standards, PC case standards are ancient and starting to become major bottlenecks in terms of what CPU and GPUs could be, considering that if PCs will move into AI entirely for homes, then it will need huge changes to accommodate the upcoming ramps in compute power.
Can AMD just sell their gaming business to Intel and focus on AI? I think Intel has the effort and resources to focus on both the hardware and software.
steam hardware survey is actually very wrong just for future reference as the numbers are boosted by chinese internet cafes and places like them where gamers log into their steam on the same pc that usually contains nvidia gpus so amd is definately alot higher on the list and its mixed between the two brands trading blows by actual gamers with their own pcs
I also feel that AMD is trying to take the mid-low range GPUs, the only serious competition they have there is Intel so if AMD can take a hold of it, it might shift more gamers towards AMD seeing as most of us aren't willing to spend close to $1000 for a GPU
AMD doesn't make as much gpus as Nvidia, finding an AMD gpu in my country is like searching for a fucking unicorn, for every RX 7800 XT there's hundreds of RTX 3070s and RTX 4060 Tis there's unfathomably large amounts of Nvidia GPUs, and to top it all off, Nvidia doesn't have any official or Partner presence here, AMD on the other hand is the only company that have an official presence on my country, even XFX have an official stores here, their Ryzen CPUs are the default choice here, they are everywhere, which means AMD make 10% the volume of what Nvidia is making
The top rdna1 was 5700xt which gave about 2070 performance at 2060 price with 8 rather than 6gb ram and apart from undercooked drivers it was a good card. Polaris rx480/580/590 was a good alternative to 1060 again 8gb and priced a tier lower for the same performance. If they do it again but the cards are good I don't mind at all. 👍
6700 to 7700 ray tracing was a good solid 25% jump. If x700 is a 40% jump from that (rumoured possible) that puts it over a 4070. Similar jump on x800 makes it a better card than 4080 in both raster and RT for half the price. As such, I'm waiting for what it, and B980 Battlemage bring. Because Intel's first efforts on both Ray tracing and XeSS were better than AMD who had been in the game for years.
Let them over overclock their cards from factory. Seeing how my 4090 runs at 300W max, the new 5090 I'll only give it allowance for 400 and mostly use it at 250-350W.
i think if they made the fastest NON-ray tracing card they could for around 100 bucks they would hit the hole in the market that put them "on the map " so to speak as I've noticed there are a lot of folk not playing modern games because they cant afford a modern mid to high end frame rate more than because it doesn't have the latest tech some folk still use crt's , led ,tv's & playing in non hd resolutions .it's 1 reason retro gaming is as big as it is now .
AMD needs to focus on their feature set; as others have already said. But one specific area that I personally think needs more of a focus is on the productivity side. NVENC is the gold standard for hardware encoding; it just is. AMD isn't too bad compared to NVIDIA when it comes to their hardware encoders, but they're certainly not as good. If AMD can improve that and other aspects of their GPU's in terms of productivity performance, they might have a fighting chance. But until then, Team Green all the way; and that's coming from someone who owns an AMD GPU.
I think you have AMD pegged wrong as a company. They are not committed to innovation. They are committed to being a "just enough" alternative. They are also still losing in the CPU arena as well even though Intel has largely been lazy for the last 15 years. They will never innovate beyond what they need. They are there to be a "just enough" alternative to other products. As much as I hate what ive just laid out, it has, and will continue to be profitable.
from what i understand, and i seen this a while ago, was that amd'd multichip disign for rdna4 cant handle the power required for a highend card. this was talked about like 6 months to a year ago after the design first started coming outta the oven. and i guess they were right?
They were testing the new cooler that can handle upto 600w. 4090 FE cooler already rated upto 600w if i remember correctly. During 40 series development nvidia actually testing cooler that can handle upto 900w.
I think focussing on their X600, X700 and X800 lines instead of trying to fight Nvidia with the X900 sounds like a winning strat. If your budget is the infinity sign you'll usually buy Nvidia anyway, but if they can beat every single card of Team Green in the 200-600 dollar range that would be neat.
@@detecta I fear even AMD has low key abandoned that class of cards, it usually makes more sense to wait for the x600 or even x650 XT to drop in price.
Those same steam records also show a clear trend of AMD cards including the 7000 series increasing percentage wise month over month while there are many decreases in Nvidia's higher end, except for the top end cards. It shows a clear trend that people are not only buying AMD cards but also changing from Nvidia to AMD in some cases. There are many negative percentage valuses for the 2000 and 3000 series for Nvidia with the only clear win being the 4000 series, with AMD having increases across the board for 5000, 6000 and 7000 series.
But Nvidia is up 56% gaming revenue. Are you saying that that is only because of the 4000 series? If that's the case then the 5000 series will burry team red
Idk why Vex liked it, knowing the copium it is. The earnings calls don't lie, the Steam samples are random, and cards that are over 5 years old are still shown more. It's not "changing from Nvidia", it's "The 4060 is dogshit, so I'll take what I can get.", or "I want one of the best GPUs, but I don't have over $1k."
@@reahs4815 4080S is about 300$ expensive(where I live) for the cheapest model compared to 7900XTX while the 4090 1000$ more. Imo, Either go 7900XTX or jump straight to 4090. 4080 Super does not make much sense even if you're doing productivity, you may as well push to a 4090.
I dont think fsr and other technologies are getting more focus than they already have. Once they killed highend RDNA4 they put people on RDNA5 we will be lucky if they announce it in 2025 but probadly in 2026
Honestly if they can keep upping the rasterizing performance and catch up in RT I'd much rather see that. DLSS is very impressive but it still has ghosting and blur issues, which is a pet-peeve of mine (and a lot of other gamers). I use my 7900XTX to run stuff natively, if that means no RT I'm more than fine with it because I really do not like upscaling artifacts. I tried DLSS3 on someone else's setup and still was annoyed by it.
They are. That's why they abandoned their flagship card. Too expensive to make and if it doesn't beat or at least matches Nvidia's flagship it's just not worth it for them. They tried with the 7900XTX but it was screamingly expensive to make and didn't sell that well. Efficiency and decent performance at very good prices should be AMDs game, I agree.
I wouldn’t be surprised if AMD GPU users are less likely to report their hardware. I feel like AMD users skew more tech savvy and skeptical of tech companies using their data
One of the best GPUs ever made for low budget I'm still trying to tell Nvidia fan boys about it, but they get BUTT HURT when I show them it mops up a 3060ti for less money lol
Thats what they want you to think. GPUs in general are horrible value today. Only true value cards are like $120 or less. You can find 1080s for 100 thats best value out there
@@knusperkeks2748 my 6700xt does just fine. So youre ok with the prices today then? Sounds like youre trying to cope with the fact youre getting fleeced by billion and trillion dollar companies.
@@knusperkeks2748 There was a time when high end never used to cost anything close to what it does today. Hope you enjoy paying 10k in the relatively near future. Also thanks for outing yourself as a boomer.
6800XT here, first AMD card since...the HD 5850..no wait I had a 470 for a couple months in the middle somewhere that I was faffin with repairs on(used to repair GPU's for people) (I have some older AMD cards now, but I got them cheap for old PC's after I got the 6800XT for my main machine) after having Nvidia cards for ages(GTX 770, 1070, . when I was looking for a card it was during the late end of covid lockdowns etc, my choices were the 3000 series cards(with 4k on the horizon) or the 6000 series cards second hand. the 3000 series cards were going for the same price second hand as they were new, and the 3060 Ti was $1000NZD at the time, 3070 was 1400, 3080 was 2100 and the 3090 was 2400, and god knows what a 3090 TI was at the time, I saw one for sale for over 3k nzd. I ended up buying a 3060 TI and was pretty unhappy with it for the price, and that raytracing was annoying(it darkened corners and made stuff I want to see not visible, made reflections I don't look at prettier, but otherwise didn't do all that much to make it look better to me but cost a huge performance hit. a second hand red dragon 6800XT was going for $850 came up the only cards in my price range were the 3060 TI and the 6800XT, after looking at the stock speeds, and working out if I would use raytracing ever with a 3060 TI really, I checked benchmarks and framerates and realized the 6800XT smashes a 3060ti. I then checked overclocking related stuff and realized the 6800XT had massive potential to overclock like a beast, then be modded and overclock some more and the Red Dragon had so much high quality powerful fully populated VRM goodness. so I sold the 3060 TI for the same price I got it for and got the 6800XT. and a water block for it was $100, a second hand D5 pump and rad went for $40. so I had a water cooled 6800XT. then liquid metaled it. Then MPT to mod the power table to let it pull then used an EVC2SE voltage controller on it. now it gets 22k in time spy and found if I don't give a shit about raytracing, it floats between just above a 3090 to just above a 3090 Ti in performance depending on the game. I have no regrets getting the 6800XT. would I get another AMD card? yea, yea I would. still wouldn't fanboy for em tho, if Nvidia comes out with something that competes for the price I'd go them instead. but 8gb vram shitbuckets for stupid money that don't even perform that well? yea no thanks, then right after that cards that cost even more, still have only 8gb vram, and BARELY perform better than the last gen? yea no thanks.
I guess they are planning to go back to RDNA 1 era. The issue is that AMD still struggle with ray tracing RDNA4 is probably a test to see if their new ray tracing engine can rival NVIDIA. Plus, there's a strong bias against AMD regarding their driver. Those biases are very, very hard to get rid of.
That not the only thing not do they only suck at ray tracing but at everything else excluding raster performance that's the only thing their cards are good at anything else from TAA implementation to Features even intel is better than AMD not even better Intel smokes them also their cards have way lower resale value so anybody who build a new pc like every year or so stays away from them and there's nothing AMD can do about it they'd actually be better of if they drop manufacturing GPU at all and ust focus at CPU afterall that's where they get most of their revenue from
Tbh, GPUs are very hard to get right compared to CPUs which doesn't have as much exclusive features. In fact, AMD cpus have avx-512 support and intel doesn't anymore. Quicksync is almost negligible with how good gpus are nowadays. AMD needs a better driver team. Their publicly maintained linux drivers are always outperforming windows and it shows AMD GPUs have the hardware performance to match nvidia..but their software engineers are lagging behind nvidia.
I absolutely love my 7900XT. Overclocks like a beast and can handle cyberpunk at 3840x1620 with 60+ graphical mods and still get 90+fps average. Best purchase ever
@@arcrides6841 cyberpunk is very well made in rasterization if you really want to see a difference in ray tracing then you will have to use path tracing and no card other than 4090 can do that at the highest settings above 1440p at any reasonable frame rate
@@arcrides6841 U love RayTacing?...Good!!...I don't....Love DLSS??..Yeah it is Fake frames..& not Fan of this 16pin fascination...7900XT gives me enough Real frames!! No CPU Overhead problem! Believe me I still have my GTX_1060 6GB & I Love that If your GPU can Run your game pretty good.. U happy at the end of the day...That's enough. Red, Green or Blue, doesn't matter.... though RGB matters.
Videogame crash is happening, because of absolute idiocy of "Game Passes," and Monopolization; due to this, the quality of games is decreasing, so there's literally no need to keep making ever more powerful graphics cards, when you can start focusing on Efficiency, Memory, Power Consumption, etc.
The people who bought 1200w power supplies are no longer looking silly. 600w GPU is crazy, throw in a 300w CPU and that's 900w just from 2 components lol. With overclocking you'd probably crash the PC from running out of wattage, not to mention the components would be on fire regardless of what cooling you use.
What players want: low power consumption native 60fps@1080p $200 What brands and RUclipsrs push: high power consumption dlss fake dps@1440p/4k $2000 This is why.
I have a 7900XTX for 1080p (because I could get it for really cheap). I can run everything natively without any upscaling, and even though DLSS runs circles around FSR for quality right now, nothing beats native. I hate ghosting and the blurry mess you often get with high speed movement when upscaling. Not to mention the card isn't even trying so it's actually running games at ultra settings using less power than my 1070 did (unfair comparison, I know) at medium settings.
Nvidia pushing RT is what's ridiculous. Even today, it drops frame rate by half to get only slightly better lighting than pure rasterization. I picked the 7900 GRE over the 4070 Super just for this reason. Better rasterization performance and more VRAM for less money. Screw RT.
nah, at this point it's time to let 1080p@60fps go (not for 200$ tho), I would rather have 1440p@144fps or higher any day of the week. (i am an outlier though, as higher fps is unnecessary unless you got a 360hz screen like my stupid ass but I stand by that 1440p@60-144fps is what you would want in the current day)
Last time they refused to compete in high-end segment was actually a good move for them. RX400 series were just a great value mid-range cards. Because in mid-range greater amount of VRAM and highter raseter performance is still a great selling point. In high-end you would have more VRAM and raster performancethan you need anyways so only features like RT and upscaling become a decisive factor - and Nvidia wins effortlessly. So I would ultimately see it as a positive change. It's better to just refuse to compete when you can't win rather than loose money on a product that cannot compete and thus will fail to bring profit.
Lol.... Funny that the intel iris xe integrated GPU is one of the popular gpu lmao! Dunno but makes me feel quite proud cuz I own one haha! great video btw 👍👍!
I don't know why so many people still run after Nvidia. The GPUs are far too expensive for what they do. I currently have an RX 7700XT and my god am I happy with it. I have no problems with either the drivers or the GPU The price of the GPU was bad before but now it's a blast. I don't think AMD will stop, they're also getting better and have better prices
brand recognition. like iphone. amd don't have such high brand recognition. even when an amd gpu is better than nvidia at cheaper price, most people will buy the nvidia cause it's nvidia. amd has to find something to innovate like nvidia did with RT and dlss to increase their brand recognition. even though RT is dogshit cause it eats even 50% of performance, people still fall for this shit. people are stupid, so if amd finds something than nvidia doesn't have, people will fall for it.
Well, we're done this new Gen if it's true that the 5080 will be "just" at the same level of the 4090, but costing $1200-1300, that's just insane. Second best GPU from a new gen has always been much better than previous gen flagship. If AMD can hopefully make a mid/high end card for $649 that matches the 7900XTX raw performance with better ray tracing, that would be the way to go
AMD cant compete and people act surprised? Took them until RDNA4 to implement ray tracing hardware that nvidia had back on the 20 series. Then intel came in and beat them in the low end on their first try... with much better upscaling.
@@baronvonslambert Its more about hype, having stuff like "giga omega better graphics" just makes headlines and gives fomo to the users. Atleast on the lower end cards
@@baronvonslambert it's marketing trick cause people are fukin' stupid. people thought that ps5 will do 8k gaming cause Sony said "8K" when releasing ps5 and 8K is on ps5 box. this is how stupid people are.
Amd wants the same amount of Money for around the same performance with significant lesser features. You see what AMD cards sell well: 7800 XT, that's it.
If you want something for vr you have basically no choice. And my previous 1080 gtx made a lasting impression on me, my amd 4890 did not when basically it broke. That is why u bought a 1k bucks 4080
I found a youtube channel of my country that brainwashes people saying amd cards have problems and if you don't want problems buy nvidia and all of people trust him and go yeah bro thanks for telling us and informing us i feel so bad for those people who trust him (Most people in my country are poor and want to buy a cheap card just to play old games like takken 6-7 and gta iv-v)
If AMD wants to steal the market, they gotta start innovating and make something new that's headline and hypeworthy. Instead of following Nvidia they gotta make their own "Rtx" or "Dlss" moment
Or they could ditch the "High end" segment entirely and follow one plus/Chinese phones policy, that is to bring incredible value for money at low-mid level segments. I am talking 4060-4070ti level of performance at half or at least 2/3rd of the price. That would also make headlines.
@@naqibfarhan4356 They sont have to be at the high end and beat Nvidia's top cards, they just gotta do something to make better hype. Basically they gotta advertise better and use stuff like rtx for that advert hype like Nvidia did
I'd say that this generation of GPUs is just largely a skip - I'd even hazard a guess the only reason there are any sales happening with current pricetags is because people can no longer hold out with their GTX 10 series card that was carrying them through The Great Crypto GPU Famine(TM). If I was recommending GPUs for someone building now, depending on a budget it would probably go like this (based on prices here in the UK) based on my own experience (I own the first two and the last two neighboring 4080) and research: used 3060 12GB (price is silly now) -> used 6700XT -> used 6800 -> 7900GRE -> 4070 Super -> 7900XTX -> 4080 Super -> 4090 I'd say anything else in-between is a waste of money, with the sole exception here being 4060 because it's the best price/performance low profile GPU on the market. This obviously changes as pricetags move around. Like, below 4070 Super, the Nvidia features might very well not exist because performance just isn't there so raw raster performance is more important. Arguably, if you don't care about RT, 7900XTX is best bang for buck out there right now along with 7900GRE on a more stringent budet. DLSS is visibly better than FSR but mostly in 1440p and under, and that probably won't be an issue for much longer with XeSS stepping up and being compatible. Frame generation is a joke for the most part (one needs 60fps to begin with for decent experience so it isn't a feature for the peasants, contrary to it's misleading marketing - it's great to hit that extra 40fps to match refresh rate of your monitor, not to make your obsolete e-waste last a little bit longer). 4090 is the obvious pick when money is not an object and you want all bells and whistles so not much to say here, other then it already struggles in 4k with maxed RT so gaming-wise it doesn't seem to be future-proof in any capacity, as there is very little headroom already. Lastly, if you look globally, GPU prices vary WILDLY depending on region. In some regions AMD is much more expensive or there is no availability at all. AMD produces less GPUs, has worse distribution outside of USA and few European countries, and is totally absent in the mobile market as far as dGPU goes. All in all, just about every GPU at every tier in this generation are, quite frankly, grossly overpriced. Realistically, even if AMD released 8000 series with redesigned RT hardware to bring in on par or closer to Nvidia, with 7900XTX raw performance and for $600 they would still not gain any considerable market share...but it would be damn nice card to purchase.
Sorry to hear AMD is slumping with sales, I am happy with my 7800xt. I think it is good AMD is there, cause it will help make graphic card prices lower. If Nvidia is the only company, then they will raise prices for us gamers. There is also Intel, who knows maybe they will pickup in 2 years or so with their new silicon foundry. I like what that guy making his own gpu "Fury". But the bottom line FPGAs have to be more affordable and powerful so you could have decent OpenSource gpus that would drive prices further for gamers. Thanks for reviewing about AMD, Vex.
I have asolution Amd needs to stop his greed. Amd sell products with reasonable profit. 7900xtx should have been named , 7800 This product have been sold for 1000$ , should been 550 $ Everything else go bellow this price and names properly. Here is your solution. Amd would gain extremely well profit by each product. It would also sell waaaaay more units as well. But greed is killing them
Got a great idea! AMD should just focus on cpus so Nvidia can concentrate on pricing GPU's however they like because fanbois will pay $3500 for the shiny new AITX5070 with 12gb vram and they will love it and rejoice that no inferior products are clutrering up their hallowed shelves. Good job Vex ypu won
Then your world is stuck at AMD only. Go out from that AMD cacoon and see the reality of what GPU really is. Then you will understand why nvidia dominate GPU world
@@arenzricodexd4409 you are talking sh1t. I've owned AMD and Nvidia gpu's , for someone who don't wan't to spend a lot of money for midrange gpu AMD is the best in price/performance. I owned a 2070 S ( is in my daughter pc) and now in my pc i have a MSI 6800 non xt paired with and AMD 7700 non x cpu and they work beutiful togheter.
Just goes to show how effective bs marketing is on the average person. DLSS 3.0 is a horrible technology that increases framerate while INCREASING latency. The whole point of high framerates (above something like 90fps) is to get lower latency. Meanwhiley raytracing looks worse than rasterisation in all except for maybe 3 Nvidia-sponsored titles, because devs just use shitty plugins they dont actually understand just like with TAA. But your average dude-bro with no understanding of tech sees the shiny new tech and wants it regardless. A friend of mine bought a 4070 a few weeks ago, and tried rtx once, then immediately turned it off because it halved his fps for a visual downgrade over raster. He at least had the excuse of owning a shield that he uses actively. Nvidia has perfected the Apple strategy of making things look new without doing any actual improvements (rounded vs sharp edges).
They could certainly get Ray Tracing improvements to the moon in one go if they wanted to, same as Intel did. They have the ability to kind reverse engineer what's already been done too, they probably know to a very high degree what they need to do to get up to par.
Marketshare doesn't lie. Nvidia is vastly superior in every way. People pay premium for feature set. This is why Nvidia hold 80% market share. It's not always about how cheap a card is if feature set and software is terrible. FSR is a joke. Also the reality is AMD will never catch Nvidia in software or hardware. They are so far behind it's an impossibility. Even INTEL who is new at this has a superior upscaler than FSR. It's hilarious. AMD doesn't push any new tech ever. When is the last time AMD introduced something that changes the market? Set's a new standard? Never. AMD just reacts to every new tech Nvidia brings forward in the most gimped way possible. It's a joke. In b4 AMD fanboys not willing to accept reality. Cost doesn't mean anything. Market shows this.
14:43 Nvidia has traditionally not been first with new technology. It has always been a back and forth between the two. ATI created Tessellation in 2001, Nvidia was behind for a good while before they marinated an even greater solution. In 2002 ATI created the first DX3D 9 compatible GPU. In 2015 AMD gave us Async compute, paving the way for DX12 and Vulkan. Then that same year gave us the Fury X, the first GPU featuring HBM memory. Most recently in 2021 AMD gave us the worlds first chiplet based GPU, the MI200. Nvidia gave us stream processing units and CUDA in 2007, which were both exceptionally important developments. Most recently Nvidia is pushing Ray accelerators and AI which are both hugely successful.
All of what AMD has pioneering wasn't unachievable by Nvidia, AMD never succeed to replicate the success of CUDA. Wish is why even if somehow Nvidia started to lose the gaming market; steam hardware survey still shows Nvidia with 76% of the market while AMD is not even at 20% but at 16% and intel at a bit less than 8%, it’s hold on the professional and now the new AI market will enable them to overcome AMD when needed. I don’t think AMD could even compete in the AI market with Nvidia given the cost in R&D and the massive gap in size between them. I also forget that DLSS and RT where and still are Nvidia domain where AMD still struggle to replicate what Nvidia achieved first.
@@itachiaurion3198 Something to think about here is Nvidia's current success is largely attributed to the current interest in AI. the 40 series have been selling terribly compared to previous generations and that has everything to do with the fact that Nvidia cards are absurdly overpriced even compared to the 30 series which were notorious for being a terrible value. The 10 series GPUs were a serious high mark for them, they were fast and reasonably priced while offering a substantial increase in performance over the previous generation. The current generation of cards just don't make sense for gamers, I would argue their pricing is more in line with enterprise applications which is coincidentally why Nvidia's stocks have been skyrocketing. This is a short term trend though, Nvidia has the AI market cornered right now, but it's only a matter of time before AMD catches up or, most likely, purpose built cards made for AI become the industry standard. If and when that happens Nvidia will be in serious trouble, what the 40 series has done more than anything is sully their name in the eyes of the public and make them seem downright greedy.
@@Todd_Coward If AMD can't even play catchup with the best Nvidia as to offer for gaming, how can they catch up on a more difficult market? Maybe Intel will try something for the AI but I don't see AMD finally succeeding at overcoming Nvidia. Unlike Intel, Nvidia will not wait 5 to 10 years that AMD will catchup before waking up. They price may be too high but they are still in the lead in regard of the technology and don't seem to let AMD catchup anytime soon. Their success come from the fact that they are the sole leader in the 3D rendering space since at least 2015 and all of their gpu sell like hotcakes, even in the gaming market with the 40X0 as the exception and even that I have doubt. The most recent hardware survey from steam show that the top 15 spots of GPU are all Nvidia with the RTX 3060 in the lead and 10X0, 20X0 and 40X0 and other 30X0 in this top. Then we have AMD and Intel integrated processor in 16th and 17th place. Heck even the 4090 is nearly at 1% of the survey and it's not the better placed 40X0. The first named AMD GPU is the AMD Radeon RX 580 with 0.83%; Nvidia is still at a very comfortable 76% of the market from those steam hardware review. Even if steam is somehow the HQ of all the Nvidia chill AMD can't have more than 30 or 40% of the PC gaming market from those result. Even if the price doesn’t make sense, it seems that players bite the bullet and buy the gpu’s anyway. I really don't see AMD pulling a hail mairy and finally overcoming AMD in the 3D market while they are still behing Intel in the CPU market and far behing for the gpus.
Honestly clickbaiting with thumbnails like that shouldn't be allowed. I'm unsure if it's twitter being a cesspool, or just you crafting a thumbnail on purpose to get clicks. Either way, i'm assuming it was a crafted thumbnail and misleading viewers. There's plenty of reasons to go AMD over Nvidia in terms of y'know, decency and common sense. However lately AMD's been attempting to fight back in a similar fashion so they're just as bad as Nvidia/Intel. Still in the past Nvidia's done some questionable things, as well as Intel, so it's not like AMD has no reason to fight back lol.
Naaaa, if you search a minimum you can found that amd call it for a 9900xt(x) / 9950xt(x) like as twice the power of actual top-end GPU. The thing is: they aren’t ready yet, so (in my opinion / i think) they are going to replicate what happened with Vega to current XT generation. « How ? »: by sending Nvidia in the corner by releasing it something around 6 months later after the 8th gen / during spring 2025 (maybe summer). I call it again : they gonna sacrifice the next gen who is gonna be really short in time, or an intermediate one, and release something that gonna put nvidia in a hell of a day.
Ey bro, I can't wait to be proven wrong
I hope so
I hope so too I have a 6950 and I love it
RDNA 4 will hopefully be the tipping point for at least 20% more of the buyers
what we can say is Nvidia win market
Really wanted you to be wrong but... All the statistics and info you have provide seems to be correct.
I can rebuild a used motorcycle for cheaper than I can buy a video card. That's a problem!
My brand new 150cc motorcycle is cheaper than my GPU 🤣🤣
Man I hope to one day do that too lol. Maybe a zx7r, it's one of those old school bikes I love the look of, especially the purple and green livery.
My 4080 cost more than my car. But my car is 23 years old....
My perfectly running '99 Honda Accord was 1400 bucks
It is funny how you people are comparing old and undesirable products in society with something newly researched and made which is also high in demand. You are the problem here.
If you would look at anything cars related in aftermarket, they go in thousands of euros. A simple maintenance bill for a car is half a grand. So what you people are about?
The 1060 costed less than 300. As long midrange cards are above 400 and low-end above 200. most people ain't buying
Most basic things are like 20% more expensive than 5 years ago. Even the things that weren't unobtainable for like 2 years. Expecting things to be the same price as they were a decade ago is delusional.
@@kaminekoch.7465Yeah, well salaries didn't go up at all or just a bit so companies can't expect people to be prepared to pay more. Its one of the reasons why AMDs sales have dropped badly.
@@kaminekoch.7465 Delusion is expecting people to pay more and get less.
My 2060 was $250. Still very happy.
@@LtCommanderTato Which GPU costs more than 300 and performs worse than GTX1060? Thanks in advance
Kinda smart ngl. Their highest end card is like $800 less and only 21% slower at 4k but can't reach the 4090, like ever. So if they make all their lower end cards just like that, same same performance as nvidia but like 20 - 50% cheaper? Could be better for us all.
They don't have the same margins on the low end cards, so they're going to need to do some innovation on that front first. Maybe if they can pull off an actual chiplet design that splits up the graphics die.
@@AAjax Pretty sure they're already on a design that is cheaper to manufacture than Nvidia's design, which means that if they keep the current offset to Nvidia they'll have better returns. Nvidia already had to backpedal 4070 and 4080 prices hard due to AMD. I think AMD abandoned their flagship because it would be very expensive to make but wouldn't sell well (like the 7900XTX). They'd rather take as much marketshare of the low/mid range, press their efficiency advantage and catch up in raytracing. If they succeed they can potentially match or even overshoot Nvidia's flagship in a generation or two and then slash Nvidia's prices. At which point Nvidia might choose to go all-in on AI instead, if that keeps being where the money is.
They did the same with RDNA1 (5700) and Polaris/GCN5 (480/580). It makes business sense when they can't come within shooting distance of the priciest NVIDIA chips.
@@Ranguvar13 The biggest problem with that is that even though there are a lot of tech RUclipsrs and you can find statistics and information everywhere, people still base their mid-range purchase off of how well the enthousiast side of a company does. The amount of times I've seen people discussing AMD vs Nvidia using the flagship models when they all had midrange cards themselves... To then defend their purchase based on that discussion...
AMD ceased to "fight" Nvidia on the price at the low and mid range since the RTX 30X0 era, they increased their price to be lower than Nvidia but not completly undercuting them so they get a better margin. I wouldn't hope they will try to fight the price again they just seem focused on keeping their margin high and sell at the range they want.
Don't forget that most PC gamers still play on 1080p.
It should probably stay that way tbh, for me and others either too much hz or resolution makes our eyes hurt.
Oh he left, but yeah I didn't get the best eyesight genetics myself I'm not even old. 🥲
@@vigilantbruiser1119i play on 1080p but what you are saying is just retarded nonsense
@@vigilantbruiser1119 I'm sure nobody is forcing you to use a better monitor. The vast majority of people will have a better experience and most likely no issues with eyesight when using a higher resolution and/or higher refresh rate monitor, so I don't really see why we should collectively stick to 1080p@60Hz. But we're probably gonna be stuck with that for quite some time anyway, since monitors with a high resolution and high refresh rate combined are unfortunately still incredibly expensive.
@@ytrism Whatever you say, eyecandy fanatic. lol
Built my niece a PC for Christmas, Built 2 more, upgraded my desktop, about to do so again, upgraded my gaming rig. So far 3 Intel Arc GPU's, A380, A580, A750. 2 AMD, RX7600, RX7600XT. The XT is now in my Gaming Rig does RT just fine over the RX6600 then the RX7600, the 7600 is in my desktop. So just in the last year I have grabbed 2 RX580's, 1 RX5500XT, the 7600 and 7600XT and 3 Intel GPU's so a little over 1300 bucks total 8 GPU's. Still less than 1 4090. All my PC builds plus my old Board in a test rig frame are AMD CPU's.
Prices are ridiculously high, most people wont buy Graphics Cards at the current price.
Which is a bit of a issue because they increase the prices because they don't get enough sales, but the higher the price increases the less people buy them.
I for one only buy AMD, Nvidia in my country is about 30-40% more expensive.
Increasing prices in response to lower sales is exactly the wrong thing to do. Ask any economist. Big companies understand economics.
@@joesterling4299 and yet they still do it.
and yet nvidia gpu's sell and nvidia made $2.9 billion profit in fourth quarter 2023.
They will always make money, but less people are buying gpus regardless of how much money they make.
Nvidia cards are only around 5-9 FPS faster in their top cards and does not justify a 2000-dollar price point when AMD is only asking 900 dollars for their top card which can play pretty much all games in 4k@60 fps. Nvidia uses major over hyped advertising because they target kids that have no experience to know any better that there paying an extreme premium for 8fps and they also use their latest Gimmick called Ray tracing like they did in the past with Hairworks so to be honest there Gimmicks work because Nvidia targets kids and persons that are not informed so therefore they get tricked into buying an overpriced GPU and with Nvidia paying youtubers to hype up there GPUs were likely to see Nvidia stocks continue to rise until people start to see through there Gimmicks
I have an AMD GPU and I'm proud of it, the value for money is miles better than what I would get if I went to the green team.
What you got
"proud of it" Imagine being proud of buying something over the other probably better thing.
@@diamonshade7484 rx 6700
Bought a 7900xt for $80 less than the cheapest 4070ti at the time. Rt wasn’t the big seller for me. Love the card.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat you can be proud of making good decisions and not wasting money
I rejected the current generation lol, I just built a PC with a 5800X3D and a 6650XT. Less than $1,500, plays everything @ 1440p minus RT. Good enough for me!
You can buy a used 1080 Ti for
Did you go to Business School or something? Your Titles and Thumbnails are on another level man..... I dont think I have ever seen you make a title or thumbnail that is nearly impossible to not click for someone interested in the PC space.
I am actually being serious because you are very talented at what you do & would like to get better at it myself.
I have studied business and can tell you as a fact they don't teach you about content creation at all
Dlss and frame gen were reasons I was leaning more towards nvidia for newer graphics cards.
AMD being AMD... You can't charge 90% of what Nvidia charges when your product is clearly inferior... Nvidia has better upscaling, better Ray Tracing, better frame generation and they have convinced a lot of people that that stuff matters... AMD could fight back with more V-Ram and better prices, but they refuse to... Their low-end cards have the same pathetic 8GB V-Ram that Nvidia's cards have, and they cost about the same... but Nvidia has a better up-scaler and better ray tracing, does it matter on this class of card, well, no not really, but if the cost is the same why wouldn't I. This has always been AMD's problem. They have never been the first to implement a new feature, they are always copying Nvidia... and the copy is never as good as Nvidia, and they don't offer a big enough discount for customers to accept an inferior copy of whatever Nvidia's doing.
AMD isn't as good as Nvidia If they want to compete they need to:
1. Offer more V-Ram than Nvidia AT EVERY PRICE TIER.
2. Stop with the fucking clamshell design and actually offer the wider memory bus that Nvidia refuses to offer to up memory bandwidth.
3. TAKE THE FUCKING RAYTRACING SHIT OFF THE LOW-END CARDS THAT ARE NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO EVEN TURN IT ON.
4. Accept a smaller margin on their products so they can LOWER THE FUCKING PRICES, cuz no one is going to buy AMD for 90% of Nvidia's price, they have to make it more like 75%...
See, the 4060 is a clamshell 8 Mb V-Ram card on a 128-bit bus and it costs about $300 USD. The 7600 is a clamshell 8 Mb V-Ram card on a 128-bit bus and it costs about $270 USD, that's a 10% discount. NO ONE IS GOING TO BUY AMD FOR A 10% DISCOUNT. Now imagine that the 7600 has 12GB of V-ram NOT ON A FUCKING CLAMSHELL DESIGN, with a real 196-bit memory bus, and the price is $225 now would you be interested. OK, so the up-scaler still isn't as good, and the Ray Tracing still sux, but the memory is much better and so is the memory bandwidth and the price... but AMD couldn't do that and make a profit on the card. YES THEY COULD YOU GODDAMN MORONS. They wouldn't make nearly as much profit as they would like to make, the margin would be much smaller, but they would absolutely still make a profit, and they would take over the market segment that the majority of people buy in. Most people cannot afford a 4090, If you look at the steam survey the market is dominated by the more affordable cards. The card Nvidia offers in this segment is a joke, the 4060 is crap, problem is the AMD offering, the 7600 is just as crap and not any cheaper so why wouldn't I buy a 4060 and 90% of people do... AMD is stupid, Nvidia isn't even trying in the budget GPU segment, the 4060 is a joke... All AMD had to do was make the 7600 not dogshit... and they couldn't do it... so Nvidia wins again without even trying, cuz AMD is Stupid.
amd needs to hear this
AMD is always the worst option. Has been since they started as ATI and will always be.
AMD has invented and put in features at times (Tensilica DSP, TrueAudio Next) but those are always useless and nobody wants it. AMD does that always same like with their Ryzen CPU. Absolute junk and Intel always has the far superior options.
Their problem is marketing and not keeping everything closed source and being a unethical company like Nvidia. Most of AMDs techniques are open source. Vulkan was started using Mantle which cost AMD millions in R&D yet they gave it to Khronos for free, who turned it into Vulkan which we now all enjoy. Also, when you turn off RT the value for money on AMDs side is insanely better than Nvidia right now. Which means you can buy and AMD card that, without RT, can actually run games at native resolutions without having to upscale for the same price.
AMD cant catch up to Nvidia. Its like stoping a big wave with only your hands.
They need to focus on the things they have and Nvidia dont, Vulkan or Fluid motion Frames.
They will never catch up to Nvidia otherwise.
@@stysner4580 The unethical Company lets me play Graphics far faaaaar superior to AMD.
AMD does not the Open Source thing because its lead by Jesus, AMD needs to because otherwise none buys one.
Their GPUs are nearly the same Price as Nvidia Cards and AMD is also selling them 1000€+
Btw, i got more Features or improvments on Nvidia side as on AMD side and thats why i pay more for Nvidia.
Why people didn't buy AMD GPU?
1. Drivers issue
2. Lag behind rattracing
3. Lag behind in encoder
4. They are barely used by media. Meaning that people only think of NVIDIA
braindead nvidia simp spotted
Waiting for you to talk about ASUS's Scam
stupid ads, lemme watch Vex’s new vid
Get a VPN dude.
@@thepatriot6966Or something much better and for free uBlock origin.
@pffboahkeineahnung Surprised youtube didn’t delete your comment, I named one and the comment got instantly deleted.
AMD could have grabbed a lot of market share just by not jacking up their prices like Nvidia did. They chose not to, and now they are complaining about not having more market share? This is insane.
i think the issue for the low end is that graphics cards take a long time to break so a last gen high end card competes at the upper range and a 2 gen old high end card like a 2080ti at the mid to lower range.
Just wanna add, Steam survey is just that, a steam survey. I never took part in it, while I own a 2x4090s (diffrent rigs) however steam survey does not equate to market share while yes it still paints a grim picture for amd.
Actually this is quite simple to me. AMD currently have two problems, perception and value. There was a time that AMD cards were equal if not faster than Nividia ones at a lower price and even if they weren't on par performance wise, they were an option for people on a budget. That time is long gone. You point out the steam survey, but here is the thing: forget about 4090s and XTXs and point me to the midrange and entry level gaming cards at cheap prices, since that is where the vast majority of gamers are going to be and the perception going around is that AMD is an inferior product and if that product is not costing much less, well, you get the picture... to be fair, AMD software was quite disappointing for a couple of generations (some issues have never been fixed retroactively) and if you happened to have had an AMD GPU during one of those generations, you'd be less likely to continue with them. I will also mention that AMD are their own worst enemies. They had the tech during the current gen to produce a card that would have beaten the 4090, but chose not to make it. They could have also produced cards with features that gamers want, for less by not feeling forced to use state of the art tech. A 16gb card with slower mem is worth more to the average gamer than an 8gb card with lightning fast mem these days, imo. Moreover, they CAN sell their cards for cheaper but decided to follow Nvidia when they decided to hike prices during after the 1000 series gen. It is disappointing because if they do happen to fall so far back that they feel forced to exit the market I bet you any money that Nvidia will hike prices appreciably. Then there is the thing of going all in on AI (which comes at a cost). Maybe I am speaking only for myself, though I doubt it, but which gamer wants a GPU with specific on die features for AI processing? EDIT: Just want to be clear, I have had full AMD systems since around 2009 so I am not bashing them because I like Nvidia. BTW, back in the day I paid $250 for an HD4970 which at the time was just about the second fastest GPU on the market. Right there, is the problem.
It is okay. AMD doesn't want to compete in GPU segment. We should be grateful that Nvidia still keeps competing with itself and its older cars. Nvidia is such an amazing company, we should be grateful that it even bothers to sell its amazing products for us gamers. Such an insignificant and unimportant market niche.
I upgraded from my 5700xt to the xfx 7900xt. Super happy with the upgrade. Probably keeping this gpu for the next 10 years. I don’t see how AMD or Nvidia can realistically make another series of GPU that can perform drastically better than what we have now without costing way more than todays prices or without insane power consumption like 600W+
This is speculative but with Raja khadori going to Intel I feel like there was a backend deal to let AMD crown CPUs for a while to allow Intel to break in the GPU market with the goal to pressure Nvidia and Intel to hopefully make profit in GPUs because AMD never could stop Nvidia at the high end
AMD really needs to rethink their pricing structure. Just make low and mid range cards. A company doesn't have to sell crazy high price items to make money.
Margins are lower at the bottom end but if you can sell a lot because of the value it ends up being the same thing.
goin from 6000 series to 7000 series AMD still made more sense than going from 30 to 40 series gpus in my opinion. some just have too much money. rip AMD
Most of us don't need top of the top cards, we just need good value cards, most of games are not that demanding. I still run vega 64 and i7-4790k because 90% of time it still runs more than good enough, and it's really good value, but it's so old that im only considering upgrade just because to have newer parts (considering my old parts might brake). Also i think it's time to reconsider bringing back sli and crossfire. Gpu manufacturers wants us to believe that multi gpu is not the way to go, but it was when the limit of 1 gpu was reached, and here come multi gpu solutions. I remember having 7750 and next year i just bought another 7750 and it was better bang for the buck than buying brand new gpu with 1.5x performance. System was silent and low power, and performed really well when it performed. And also, the benefit was that if 1 card breaks you still have working system, and also on low demanding titles it was super low power, and also running eyefinity was a thing to.
If AMD successfully makes a 8900 series only cost 500 bucks?
That's a huge change for entire market.
Definitely going for it. Just hopes Intel battle mage would not be disappointing.
In spite of me being extremely happy with my 7900 xtx, I believe I’ll give nvidia another chance, I’ve had rx 480 (beautiful card), rx 5700xt (tons of crashes), rtx 2080 super (tons of crashes) and a 7900 xtx (user error crashes after a year of use, power connector wasn’t connected right, now it works flawlessly again), I believe that I want the best of the best and that would be nvidia, but in 2 more gens in the future that is
I hope AMD can do the Ryzen effect on their GPUs, because Nvidia pretty much started to drag their feet again after the RTX 10 series.
Ramp up number of compute cores and ram, try something new with ram. Explore an untapped or limited avenue that Nvidia is reluctant to even look at, like intel's CPUs being stuck with 4 cores.
For example... what if there was a FPGA moment for GPUs - before the AI authorities ban even the ideas of it. More flexible to configure and use 1, but also make it more easily stackable -> better GPU pairing on the motherboard; start something new -> ask AMD CPU motherboards designers to add an additional slot after the basic 16x slot dedicated for AMD GPU cross-communication.
FPGA type GPU, sounds initially like a handicap in sales for regular users, but considering the open source movement, games/professional programs could implement a module in their games/applications to support custom processing methods. I both see untapped potential and see it as upcoming necessity.
In general motherboard standards, PC case standards are ancient and starting to become major bottlenecks in terms of what CPU and GPUs could be, considering that if PCs will move into AI entirely for homes, then it will need huge changes to accommodate the upcoming ramps in compute power.
Can AMD just sell their gaming business to Intel and focus on AI? I think Intel has the effort and resources to focus on both the hardware and software.
steam hardware survey is actually very wrong just for future reference as the numbers are boosted by chinese internet cafes and places like them where gamers log into their steam on the same pc that usually contains nvidia gpus so amd is definately alot higher on the list and its mixed between the two brands trading blows by actual gamers with their own pcs
One of the biggest problems with AMD is machine learning. ROCm doesn’t work on windows. If you’re doing anything with CUDA you are out of luck
These surveys are nothing. For example literally nobody asked me what GPU I have. And I am using 7900xtx gigabyte aorus.And yes, I am using Steam.
I also feel that AMD is trying to take the mid-low range GPUs, the only serious competition they have there is Intel so if AMD can take a hold of it, it might shift more gamers towards AMD seeing as most of us aren't willing to spend close to $1000 for a GPU
AMD doesn't make as much gpus as Nvidia, finding an AMD gpu in my country is like searching for a fucking unicorn, for every RX 7800 XT there's hundreds of RTX 3070s and RTX 4060 Tis
there's unfathomably large amounts of Nvidia GPUs, and to top it all off, Nvidia doesn't have any official or Partner presence here, AMD on the other hand is the only company that have an official presence on my country, even XFX have an official stores here, their Ryzen CPUs are the default choice here, they are everywhere, which means AMD make 10% the volume of what Nvidia is making
The thing about focusing on entry and mid level gpu is, people gonna look into the used market and get the most of their money there (I did).
The top rdna1 was 5700xt which gave about 2070 performance at 2060 price with 8 rather than 6gb ram and apart from undercooked drivers it was a good card. Polaris rx480/580/590 was a good alternative to 1060 again 8gb and priced a tier lower for the same performance. If they do it again but the cards are good I don't mind at all. 👍
6700 to 7700 ray tracing was a good solid 25% jump. If x700 is a 40% jump from that (rumoured possible) that puts it over a 4070. Similar jump on x800 makes it a better card than 4080 in both raster and RT for half the price.
As such, I'm waiting for what it, and B980 Battlemage bring. Because Intel's first efforts on both Ray tracing and XeSS were better than AMD who had been in the game for years.
I'm shocked the 4080 outsold the XTX by over double when it was one of the worst priced GPUs of the past decade
Let them over overclock their cards from factory. Seeing how my 4090 runs at 300W max, the new 5090 I'll only give it allowance for 400 and mostly use it at 250-350W.
If the new ray tracing in the next gen cards for AMD is competitive, perhaps they can take the crown after that.
The 4090 can easily push 600 watts when you allow it full power draw, 450w is the base power by default
They simply don't care that much about consumer level gpus. They are getting more money with datacenter gpus like the mi300x.
i think if they made the fastest NON-ray tracing card they could for around 100 bucks they would hit the hole in the market that put them "on the map " so to speak as I've noticed there are a lot of folk not playing modern games because they cant afford a modern mid to high end frame rate more than because it doesn't have the latest tech some folk still use crt's , led ,tv's & playing in non hd resolutions .it's 1 reason retro gaming is as big as it is now .
AMD needs to focus on their feature set; as others have already said. But one specific area that I personally think needs more of a focus is on the productivity side. NVENC is the gold standard for hardware encoding; it just is. AMD isn't too bad compared to NVIDIA when it comes to their hardware encoders, but they're certainly not as good. If AMD can improve that and other aspects of their GPU's in terms of productivity performance, they might have a fighting chance. But until then, Team Green all the way; and that's coming from someone who owns an AMD GPU.
The GPU survey is bullshit, not everyone does it and I recently did it (7800 XT) and they still don't show on it, so don't hold you breathe there.
I think you have AMD pegged wrong as a company. They are not committed to innovation. They are committed to being a "just enough" alternative. They are also still losing in the CPU arena as well even though Intel has largely been lazy for the last 15 years. They will never innovate beyond what they need. They are there to be a "just enough" alternative to other products. As much as I hate what ive just laid out, it has, and will continue to be profitable.
from what i understand, and i seen this a while ago, was that amd'd multichip disign for rdna4 cant handle the power required for a highend card. this was talked about like 6 months to a year ago after the design first started coming outta the oven. and i guess they were right?
don't like fake tweet thumbnails at all tbh..
Tbh thumbnails were just a straight negative for RUclips
Yeah he meeds to stop that its kinda gay
@@lemonke5341not kinda but super gay
How else are you going to click on the video? It's blatant clickbait.
You can tell they are fake though. Clickbait aside, it makes it really easy to tell what the topic of the video will be at a glance.
“It’s gonna go to 600w” LOL without connectors melting?
They gonna put 2 300w connectoes on it
@@Shahzad12357 good, twice the 12VHPWR, double the house fires
Right?
Right?
They were testing the new cooler that can handle upto 600w. 4090 FE cooler already rated upto 600w if i remember correctly. During 40 series development nvidia actually testing cooler that can handle upto 900w.
Hopefully they learn and use better connectors this time.
I think focussing on their X600, X700 and X800 lines instead of trying to fight Nvidia with the X900 sounds like a winning strat. If your budget is the infinity sign you'll usually buy Nvidia anyway, but if they can beat every single card of Team Green in the 200-600 dollar range that would be neat.
Bold of you to assume that Team Green has cards for 200$
@@khursaadtRTX 3050, but why would anybody buy that?
im praying to god they push out an actually decent x500 too
@@detecta
I fear even AMD has low key abandoned that class of cards, it usually makes more sense to wait for the x600 or even x650 XT to drop in price.
@@Alias_Anybodyyeah 6500xt was generally shit and 7500xt doesnt even exist
I just picked up a 7900XTX and I couldn’t be happier honestly. Insane improvement over my 1080Ti.
Same, got mine after my 3080 died and even that was a noticeable performance gap. Going from a 1080 Ti is probably nuts.
I got myself a 4080 a little while ago, going from a 1070 since 2018 now that's a crazy gap
why would you buy amd when nvidia is better value at the top end
Going from a GTX970 to an RTX3060 was wild for me lol
Such a shame more people don't buy Radeon imagine the prices NVIDIA can change now.😢
Those same steam records also show a clear trend of AMD cards including the 7000 series increasing percentage wise month over month while there are many decreases in Nvidia's higher end, except for the top end cards. It shows a clear trend that people are not only buying AMD cards but also changing from Nvidia to AMD in some cases. There are many negative percentage valuses for the 2000 and 3000 series for Nvidia with the only clear win being the 4000 series, with AMD having increases across the board for 5000, 6000 and 7000 series.
Switched from the 1080 to the 7900xt.
But Nvidia is up 56% gaming revenue. Are you saying that that is only because of the 4000 series? If that's the case then the 5000 series will burry team red
@@mikelay5360it could be GeForce Now too
Idk why Vex liked it, knowing the copium it is. The earnings calls don't lie, the Steam samples are random, and cards that are over 5 years old are still shown more. It's not "changing from Nvidia", it's "The 4060 is dogshit, so I'll take what I can get.", or "I want one of the best GPUs, but I don't have over $1k."
@Dr_b_ Well, except for sponsored titles, making the rest perform like shit.
With 80% of the 4090's speed at 4K for a grand less, I'm very happy with my 7900XTX.
So a 4080S?
4090 is just a dumb card for rich people with terrible price/performace
@@reahs4815 Ah yes i cant afford it thus it must be dumb
@@reahs4815 4080S is about 300$ expensive(where I live) for the cheapest model compared to 7900XTX while the 4090 1000$ more. Imo, Either go 7900XTX or jump straight to 4090. 4080 Super does not make much sense even if you're doing productivity, you may as well push to a 4090.
@@elderman64 what? I called the card dumb
7900xtx isn't even close to 80% the performance when you enable RT
I'm fine with AMD not releasing new GPU's this year if it means they focus on improving FSR and the existing feature set.
Facts
I dont think fsr and other technologies are getting more focus than they already have. Once they killed highend RDNA4 they put people on RDNA5 we will be lucky if they announce it in 2025 but probadly in 2026
Honestly if they can keep upping the rasterizing performance and catch up in RT I'd much rather see that. DLSS is very impressive but it still has ghosting and blur issues, which is a pet-peeve of mine (and a lot of other gamers). I use my 7900XTX to run stuff natively, if that means no RT I'm more than fine with it because I really do not like upscaling artifacts. I tried DLSS3 on someone else's setup and still was annoyed by it.
It'd also probably mean that Nvidia GPUs are going to go higher in prices
@@stysner4580what xtx do you have?
Happy to be one of the 0.36%. Haven't regretted the purchase at all.
well as somebody who've been in the scene for over a decade, you will not now but in future and I can give you like a 1000 reasons why
@@smokychristian Why
@@smokychristian give me 3
@@smokychristian give us few
@@smokychristian gimme 2
AMD should start to focus on mid end GPUs again, like it was on RX 400 and RX 500 generations, for me these were the best GPUs from AMD.
Yes but these gpus now are almost low end not even mid end
580 is not even in low end category, it's definitely Potato tier.
I see my old 3070 as low end and 6950xt as mid range GPU.
They are. That's why they abandoned their flagship card. Too expensive to make and if it doesn't beat or at least matches Nvidia's flagship it's just not worth it for them. They tried with the 7900XTX but it was screamingly expensive to make and didn't sell that well. Efficiency and decent performance at very good prices should be AMDs game, I agree.
It's NOT potato. It is low end. It can play EVERY single game at 1080p.
@@Kage0No0Tenshi
@@stysner4580 And still Ada managed to be more effiicient across the board, RDNA needs a complete do-over.
Misleading title. Implying that AMD is giving up because they are focusing on the most profitable segment is a bad joke.
That title is a little misleading.
@@slc9800gtx A little? very misleading. I reported it for clickbait
welcome to vex
they might as well, even the new drivers for GoT are trash.
Nvidia also outsells AMD in that bracket
Stop looking at Steam surveys. I have SIX AMD PC's all with Radeons, and not ONCE the past few years have I been invited to submit any survey...
That's weird. I get asked about once a year
I'm surprised steam doesn't just allow the platform to be able to check the current running gpu and pc in general and use that data instead
@@MrVidificationsteam specifically asks your consent to poll your hardware data, and honestly I wouldn't have it any other way
Well obv. surveys don't include everyone. Surveys are done by sampling a reasonable ammount for people and avoiding sampling bias
I wouldn’t be surprised if AMD GPU users are less likely to report their hardware. I feel like AMD users skew more tech savvy and skeptical of tech companies using their data
I returned my 4070 to get a 7800 xt and have not regretted my decision. 5800x3d with a 7800 xt, I´m very happy with my setup.
That is a good combo for gaming X3D + 7800 XT!
My 6850m XT = 6700XT is so amazing 🥺 Thank you AMD 😢
Yooooo mobile gang!
@@kickskii 😎
I have a Corsair laptop with the same chip paired with a Ryzen 7 6800HS
One of the best GPUs ever made for low budget I'm still trying to tell Nvidia fan boys about it, but they get BUTT HURT when I show them it mops up a 3060ti for less money lol
Happy with 7900 GRE. It's a heck of a value.
Thats what they want you to think. GPUs in general are horrible value today. Only true value cards are like $120 or less. You can find 1080s for 100 thats best value out there
@@craciunator99 bruh😑
@@craciunator99 Delusional zoomer on cope trying to make himself feel better for owning a trash PC.
@@knusperkeks2748 my 6700xt does just fine. So youre ok with the prices today then? Sounds like youre trying to cope with the fact youre getting fleeced by billion and trillion dollar companies.
@@knusperkeks2748 There was a time when high end never used to cost anything close to what it does today. Hope you enjoy paying 10k in the relatively near future. Also thanks for outing yourself as a boomer.
6800XT here, first AMD card since...the HD 5850..no wait I had a 470 for a couple months in the middle somewhere that I was faffin with repairs on(used to repair GPU's for people) (I have some older AMD cards now, but I got them cheap for old PC's after I got the 6800XT for my main machine) after having Nvidia cards for ages(GTX 770, 1070, . when I was looking for a card it was during the late end of covid lockdowns etc, my choices were the 3000 series cards(with 4k on the horizon) or the 6000 series cards second hand.
the 3000 series cards were going for the same price second hand as they were new, and the 3060 Ti was $1000NZD at the time, 3070 was 1400, 3080 was 2100 and the 3090 was 2400, and god knows what a 3090 TI was at the time, I saw one for sale for over 3k nzd.
I ended up buying a 3060 TI and was pretty unhappy with it for the price, and that raytracing was annoying(it darkened corners and made stuff I want to see not visible, made reflections I don't look at prettier, but otherwise didn't do all that much to make it look better to me but cost a huge performance hit.
a second hand red dragon 6800XT was going for $850 came up
the only cards in my price range were the 3060 TI and the 6800XT, after looking at the stock speeds, and working out if I would use raytracing ever with a 3060 TI really, I checked benchmarks and framerates and realized the 6800XT smashes a 3060ti. I then checked overclocking related stuff and realized the 6800XT had massive potential to overclock like a beast, then be modded and overclock some more and the Red Dragon had so much high quality powerful fully populated VRM goodness. so I sold the 3060 TI for the same price I got it for and got the 6800XT.
and a water block for it was $100, a second hand D5 pump and rad went for $40. so I had a water cooled 6800XT.
then liquid metaled it.
Then MPT to mod the power table to let it pull
then used an EVC2SE voltage controller on it.
now it gets 22k in time spy
and found if I don't give a shit about raytracing, it floats between just above a 3090 to just above a 3090 Ti in performance depending on the game.
I have no regrets getting the 6800XT.
would I get another AMD card? yea, yea I would.
still wouldn't fanboy for em tho, if Nvidia comes out with something that competes for the price I'd go them instead.
but 8gb vram shitbuckets for stupid money that don't even perform that well? yea no thanks, then right after that cards that cost even more, still have only 8gb vram, and BARELY perform better than the last gen? yea no thanks.
I guess they are planning to go back to RDNA 1 era.
The issue is that AMD still struggle with ray tracing
RDNA4 is probably a test to see if their new ray tracing engine can rival NVIDIA.
Plus, there's a strong bias against AMD regarding their driver.
Those biases are very, very hard to get rid of.
That not the only thing not do they only suck at ray tracing but at everything else excluding raster performance that's the only thing their cards are good at anything else from TAA implementation to Features even intel is better than AMD not even better Intel smokes them also their cards have way lower resale value so anybody who build a new pc like every year or so stays away from them and there's nothing AMD can do about it they'd actually be better of if they drop manufacturing GPU at all and ust focus at CPU afterall that's where they get most of their revenue from
Tbh, GPUs are very hard to get right compared to CPUs which doesn't have as much exclusive features. In fact, AMD cpus have avx-512 support and intel doesn't anymore. Quicksync is almost negligible with how good gpus are nowadays. AMD needs a better driver team. Their publicly maintained linux drivers are always outperforming windows and it shows AMD GPUs have the hardware performance to match nvidia..but their software engineers are lagging behind nvidia.
@@smokychristian fanboy
@@smokychristian And let NVIDIA have the monopoly? Are u insane?
@@smokychristian Nvidia fanboy are ridiculous (so as AMD fanboy)
For me higher consume is not progress, it's just an old thing being forced to it's limit
Pretty much.
I absolutely love my 7900XT. Overclocks like a beast and can handle cyberpunk at 3840x1620 with 60+ graphical mods and still get 90+fps average. Best purchase ever
with ray tracing?
@@arcrides6841 no. But without upscaling. And arguably way better looking.
@@arcrides6841 cyberpunk is very well made in rasterization if you really want to see a difference in ray tracing then you will have to use path tracing and no card other than 4090 can do that at the highest settings above 1440p at any reasonable frame rate
@@НААТwhere do you find these mods. I want to try them out
@@arcrides6841 U love RayTacing?...Good!!...I don't....Love DLSS??..Yeah it is Fake frames..& not Fan of this 16pin fascination...7900XT gives me enough Real frames!! No CPU Overhead problem! Believe me I still have my GTX_1060 6GB & I Love that
If your GPU can Run your game pretty good.. U happy at the end of the day...That's enough. Red, Green or Blue, doesn't matter.... though RGB matters.
Videogame crash is happening, because of absolute idiocy of "Game Passes," and Monopolization; due to this, the quality of games is decreasing, so there's literally no need to keep making ever more powerful graphics cards, when you can start focusing on Efficiency, Memory, Power Consumption, etc.
Gta 6
@@diamonshade7484 I hope you're right.
I will never pay over 500 bucks for any card.
The people who bought 1200w power supplies are no longer looking silly. 600w GPU is crazy, throw in a 300w CPU and that's 900w just from 2 components lol. With overclocking you'd probably crash the PC from running out of wattage, not to mention the components would be on fire regardless of what cooling you use.
My 860W PSU (2011) destined for 3x sli and now run 6950xt/5800X3D below 550W is really good but anything over 850W pointless
@@Kage0No0TenshiI got 7700x and 6950xt with 600w kekw
@@TheZerosd well I overclock and undervolt them thats why I am on low Wattage
Limiting your fps might actually be needed. xD
@@Kage0No0Tenshi 600w power supply I mean mine is running around 350w it doesn't get higher than around 500 never saw it
What players want: low power consumption native 60fps@1080p $200
What brands and RUclipsrs push: high power consumption dlss fake dps@1440p/4k $2000
This is why.
I have a 7900XTX for 1080p (because I could get it for really cheap). I can run everything natively without any upscaling, and even though DLSS runs circles around FSR for quality right now, nothing beats native. I hate ghosting and the blurry mess you often get with high speed movement when upscaling. Not to mention the card isn't even trying so it's actually running games at ultra settings using less power than my 1070 did (unfair comparison, I know) at medium settings.
Nvidia pushing RT is what's ridiculous. Even today, it drops frame rate by half to get only slightly better lighting than pure rasterization.
I picked the 7900 GRE over the 4070 Super just for this reason. Better rasterization performance and more VRAM for less money. Screw RT.
RX 6600 XT for 200 usd
nah, at this point it's time to let 1080p@60fps go (not for 200$ tho), I would rather have 1440p@144fps or higher any day of the week. (i am an outlier though, as higher fps is unnecessary unless you got a 360hz screen like my stupid ass but I stand by that 1440p@60-144fps is what you would want in the current day)
That's completely true.
Last time they refused to compete in high-end segment was actually a good move for them.
RX400 series were just a great value mid-range cards.
Because in mid-range greater amount of VRAM and highter raseter performance is still a great selling point. In high-end you would have more VRAM and raster performancethan you need anyways so only features like RT and upscaling become a decisive factor - and Nvidia wins effortlessly.
So I would ultimately see it as a positive change. It's better to just refuse to compete when you can't win rather than loose money on a product that cannot compete and thus will fail to bring profit.
Lol.... Funny that the intel iris xe integrated GPU is one of the popular gpu lmao! Dunno but makes me feel quite proud cuz I own one haha! great video btw 👍👍!
I don't know why so many people still run after Nvidia. The GPUs are far too expensive for what they do. I currently have an RX 7700XT and my god am I happy with it. I have no problems with either the drivers or the GPU The price of the GPU was bad before but now it's a blast. I don't think AMD will stop, they're also getting better and have better prices
Cuda accelerator and machine learning purposes I guess
brand recognition. like iphone. amd don't have such high brand recognition. even when an amd gpu is better than nvidia at cheaper price, most people will buy the nvidia cause it's nvidia. amd has to find something to innovate like nvidia did with RT and dlss to increase their brand recognition. even though RT is dogshit cause it eats even 50% of performance, people still fall for this shit. people are stupid, so if amd finds something than nvidia doesn't have, people will fall for it.
Control panel settings actually work outside of DX9. Adrenaline doesn't.
Well, we're done this new Gen if it's true that the 5080 will be "just" at the same level of the 4090, but costing $1200-1300, that's just insane. Second best GPU from a new gen has always been much better than previous gen flagship. If AMD can hopefully make a mid/high end card for $649 that matches the 7900XTX raw performance with better ray tracing, that would be the way to go
AMD cant compete and people act surprised? Took them until RDNA4 to implement ray tracing hardware that nvidia had back on the 20 series. Then intel came in and beat them in the low end on their first try... with much better upscaling.
@@baronvonslambert Its more about hype, having stuff like "giga omega better graphics" just makes headlines and gives fomo to the users. Atleast on the lower end cards
@@baronvonslambert it's marketing trick cause people are fukin' stupid. people thought that ps5 will do 8k gaming cause Sony said "8K" when releasing ps5 and 8K is on ps5 box. this is how stupid people are.
Amd wants the same amount of Money for around the same performance with significant lesser features. You see what AMD cards sell well: 7800 XT, that's it.
I was really shocked to see AMD's own GPU sales figures, down 48% on this time last year.
Sounds like a good time to raise the prices. Because in the end, YOU BUY IT ANYWAY! LOLO!LL!L!L!LL!
Thanks for the leather!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The more you buy the more leather.
If you want something for vr you have basically no choice.
And my previous 1080 gtx made a lasting impression on me, my amd 4890 did not when basically it broke.
That is why u bought a 1k bucks 4080
Your content is generally good and well researched but the level of clickbait in your titles and thumbnails is getting a little out of hand bro
They haven't given up, they simply refuse to return to the successful business model from before the crypto boom.
I found a youtube channel of my country that brainwashes people saying amd cards have problems and if you don't want problems buy nvidia and all of people trust him and go yeah bro thanks for telling us and informing us i feel so bad for those people who trust him
(Most people in my country are poor and want to buy a cheap card just to play old games like takken 6-7 and gta iv-v)
He's right. Google AMD card issues, drivers have been a plague for decades.
he spittin factos tho 🗣️
If you've seen framechasers it's not just your country.
@@nontoxic9960 bruh lol
Nice of that guy to warn people.
Love seeing ur channel growing mate, closing in on 100k
I'd only upgrade my 7900XTX if there's a GPU equal or better in performance with way less power draw at 4k.
If AMD wants to steal the market, they gotta start innovating and make something new that's headline and hypeworthy. Instead of following Nvidia they gotta make their own "Rtx" or "Dlss" moment
They can't they don't have enough money to
@@smokychristian Yeah probably, unlike Nvidia they dont have enough sourcing to spend on R&D and experiment
Nvidia will go full ai then and will just have Intel to compete with. Scary thought.
Or they could ditch the "High end" segment entirely and follow one plus/Chinese phones policy, that is to bring incredible value for money at low-mid level segments. I am talking 4060-4070ti level of performance at half or at least 2/3rd of the price. That would also make headlines.
@@naqibfarhan4356 They sont have to be at the high end and beat Nvidia's top cards, they just gotta do something to make better hype. Basically they gotta advertise better and use stuff like rtx for that advert hype like Nvidia did
I'd say that this generation of GPUs is just largely a skip - I'd even hazard a guess the only reason there are any sales happening with current pricetags is because people can no longer hold out with their GTX 10 series card that was carrying them through The Great Crypto GPU Famine(TM). If I was recommending GPUs for someone building now, depending on a budget it would probably go like this (based on prices here in the UK) based on my own experience (I own the first two and the last two neighboring 4080) and research:
used 3060 12GB (price is silly now) -> used 6700XT -> used 6800 -> 7900GRE -> 4070 Super -> 7900XTX -> 4080 Super -> 4090
I'd say anything else in-between is a waste of money, with the sole exception here being 4060 because it's the best price/performance low profile GPU on the market. This obviously changes as pricetags move around. Like, below 4070 Super, the Nvidia features might very well not exist because performance just isn't there so raw raster performance is more important. Arguably, if you don't care about RT, 7900XTX is best bang for buck out there right now along with 7900GRE on a more stringent budet. DLSS is visibly better than FSR but mostly in 1440p and under, and that probably won't be an issue for much longer with XeSS stepping up and being compatible. Frame generation is a joke for the most part (one needs 60fps to begin with for decent experience so it isn't a feature for the peasants, contrary to it's misleading marketing - it's great to hit that extra 40fps to match refresh rate of your monitor, not to make your obsolete e-waste last a little bit longer). 4090 is the obvious pick when money is not an object and you want all bells and whistles so not much to say here, other then it already struggles in 4k with maxed RT so gaming-wise it doesn't seem to be future-proof in any capacity, as there is very little headroom already.
Lastly, if you look globally, GPU prices vary WILDLY depending on region. In some regions AMD is much more expensive or there is no availability at all. AMD produces less GPUs, has worse distribution outside of USA and few European countries, and is totally absent in the mobile market as far as dGPU goes.
All in all, just about every GPU at every tier in this generation are, quite frankly, grossly overpriced. Realistically, even if AMD released 8000 series with redesigned RT hardware to bring in on par or closer to Nvidia, with 7900XTX raw performance and for $600 they would still not gain any considerable market share...but it would be damn nice card to purchase.
7:05 there's also 7900 GRE now, it has similar performance/price ratio to 7800 XT, but a bit higher in hierarchy
The consumerists. XD
Sorry to hear AMD is slumping with sales, I am happy with my 7800xt. I think it is good AMD is there, cause it will help make graphic card prices lower. If Nvidia is the only company, then they will raise prices for us gamers. There is also Intel, who knows maybe they will pickup in 2 years or so with their new silicon foundry. I like what that guy making his own gpu "Fury". But the bottom line FPGAs have to be more affordable and powerful so you could have decent OpenSource gpus that would drive prices further for gamers. Thanks for reviewing about AMD, Vex.
Does the Steam Hardware survey work?. I wonder
It works, it's probably the biggest sample size for such data you will ever get.
I have asolution
Amd needs to stop his greed. Amd sell products with reasonable profit.
7900xtx should have been named , 7800
This product have been sold for 1000$ , should been 550 $
Everything else go bellow this price and names properly.
Here is your solution.
Amd would gain extremely well profit by each product. It would also sell waaaaay more units as well.
But greed is killing them
Why would you spend hundreds of dollars more so you can see a nicer reflection in a puddle?
Only idiots pay more than 400 for a GPU, 500 absolute MAX.
@@Wobble2007 Yeah that is my limit also.
seeing at the steam reviews looks like people want nicer reflection.
DLSS and wayyyyyyyyyyyy better drivers
Raytracing is way more than nicer puddles, though. It means finally less bugged out shadows, which are a huge part of the image.
Got a great idea! AMD should just focus on cpus so Nvidia can concentrate on pricing GPU's however they like because fanbois will pay $3500 for the shiny new AITX5070 with 12gb vram and they will love it and rejoice that no inferior products are clutrering up their hallowed shelves. Good job Vex ypu won
As a 7900 xtx owner, I really don't get why everyone is buying Nvidia
Then your world is stuck at AMD only. Go out from that AMD cacoon and see the reality of what GPU really is. Then you will understand why nvidia dominate GPU world
4080 is faster than the 7900xtx at literally almost every single workload including 3d rendering apps used by professionals
Because ray tracing
@@arenzricodexd4409 you are talking sh1t. I've owned AMD and Nvidia gpu's , for someone who don't wan't to spend a lot of money for midrange gpu AMD is the best in price/performance. I owned a 2070 S ( is in my daughter pc) and now in my pc i have a MSI 6800 non xt paired with and AMD 7700 non x cpu and they work beutiful togheter.
@@mitsuhh 4080 was on pair with 7900xtx and the 4080s closed that small difference. Nvidia is still the best Value
Just goes to show how effective bs marketing is on the average person. DLSS 3.0 is a horrible technology that increases framerate while INCREASING latency. The whole point of high framerates (above something like 90fps) is to get lower latency. Meanwhiley raytracing looks worse than rasterisation in all except for maybe 3 Nvidia-sponsored titles, because devs just use shitty plugins they dont actually understand just like with TAA.
But your average dude-bro with no understanding of tech sees the shiny new tech and wants it regardless.
A friend of mine bought a 4070 a few weeks ago, and tried rtx once, then immediately turned it off because it halved his fps for a visual downgrade over raster. He at least had the excuse of owning a shield that he uses actively. Nvidia has perfected the Apple strategy of making things look new without doing any actual improvements (rounded vs sharp edges).
They could certainly get Ray Tracing improvements to the moon in one go if they wanted to, same as Intel did. They have the ability to kind reverse engineer what's already been done too, they probably know to a very high degree what they need to do to get up to par.
Better upscaling maybe. Ray tracing is just a silly sales pitch.
Marketshare doesn't lie. Nvidia is vastly superior in every way. People pay premium for feature set. This is why Nvidia hold 80% market share. It's not always about how cheap a card is if feature set and software is terrible. FSR is a joke.
Also the reality is AMD will never catch Nvidia in software or hardware. They are so far behind it's an impossibility. Even INTEL who is new at this has a superior upscaler than FSR. It's hilarious.
AMD doesn't push any new tech ever. When is the last time AMD introduced something that changes the market? Set's a new standard? Never. AMD just reacts to every new tech Nvidia brings forward in the most gimped way possible. It's a joke. In b4 AMD fanboys not willing to accept reality. Cost doesn't mean anything. Market shows this.
14:43 Nvidia has traditionally not been first with new technology. It has always been a back and forth between the two. ATI created Tessellation in 2001, Nvidia was behind for a good while before they marinated an even greater solution. In 2002 ATI created the first DX3D 9 compatible GPU. In 2015 AMD gave us Async compute, paving the way for DX12 and Vulkan. Then that same year gave us the Fury X, the first GPU featuring HBM memory. Most recently in 2021 AMD gave us the worlds first chiplet based GPU, the MI200. Nvidia gave us stream processing units and CUDA in 2007, which were both exceptionally important developments. Most recently Nvidia is pushing Ray accelerators and AI which are both hugely successful.
All of what AMD has pioneering wasn't unachievable by Nvidia, AMD never succeed to replicate the success of CUDA. Wish is why even if somehow Nvidia started to lose the gaming market; steam hardware survey still shows Nvidia with 76% of the market while AMD is not even at 20% but at 16% and intel at a bit less than 8%, it’s hold on the professional and now the new AI market will enable them to overcome AMD when needed. I don’t think AMD could even compete in the AI market with Nvidia given the cost in R&D and the massive gap in size between them.
I also forget that DLSS and RT where and still are Nvidia domain where AMD still struggle to replicate what Nvidia achieved first.
@@itachiaurion3198 Something to think about here is Nvidia's current success is largely attributed to the current interest in AI. the 40 series have been selling terribly compared to previous generations and that has everything to do with the fact that Nvidia cards are absurdly overpriced even compared to the 30 series which were notorious for being a terrible value. The 10 series GPUs were a serious high mark for them, they were fast and reasonably priced while offering a substantial increase in performance over the previous generation. The current generation of cards just don't make sense for gamers, I would argue their pricing is more in line with enterprise applications which is coincidentally why Nvidia's stocks have been skyrocketing. This is a short term trend though, Nvidia has the AI market cornered right now, but it's only a matter of time before AMD catches up or, most likely, purpose built cards made for AI become the industry standard.
If and when that happens Nvidia will be in serious trouble, what the 40 series has done more than anything is sully their name in the eyes of the public and make them seem downright greedy.
@@Todd_Coward If AMD can't even play catchup with the best Nvidia as to offer for gaming, how can they catch up on a more difficult market? Maybe Intel will try something for the AI but I don't see AMD finally succeeding at overcoming Nvidia.
Unlike Intel, Nvidia will not wait 5 to 10 years that AMD will catchup before waking up. They price may be too high but they are still in the lead in regard of the technology and don't seem to let AMD catchup anytime soon.
Their success come from the fact that they are the sole leader in the 3D rendering space since at least 2015 and all of their gpu sell like hotcakes, even in the gaming market with the 40X0 as the exception and even that I have doubt. The most recent hardware survey from steam show that the top 15 spots of GPU are all Nvidia with the RTX 3060 in the lead and 10X0, 20X0 and 40X0 and other 30X0 in this top. Then we have AMD and Intel integrated processor in 16th and 17th place. Heck even the 4090 is nearly at 1% of the survey and it's not the better placed 40X0.
The first named AMD GPU is the AMD Radeon RX 580 with 0.83%; Nvidia is still at a very comfortable 76% of the market from those steam hardware review.
Even if steam is somehow the HQ of all the Nvidia chill AMD can't have more than 30 or 40% of the PC gaming market from those result. Even if the price doesn’t make sense, it seems that players bite the bullet and buy the gpu’s anyway.
I really don't see AMD pulling a hail mairy and finally overcoming AMD in the 3D market while they are still behing Intel in the CPU market and far behing for the gpus.
Honestly clickbaiting with thumbnails like that shouldn't be allowed. I'm unsure if it's twitter being a cesspool, or just you crafting a thumbnail on purpose to get clicks. Either way, i'm assuming it was a crafted thumbnail and misleading viewers. There's plenty of reasons to go AMD over Nvidia in terms of y'know, decency and common sense. However lately AMD's been attempting to fight back in a similar fashion so they're just as bad as Nvidia/Intel. Still in the past Nvidia's done some questionable things, as well as Intel, so it's not like AMD has no reason to fight back lol.
NVIDIA smartness is like Aizen planned level 🤣🤣
Nvidia is madarame baku
so nvidia is the bad guy?
Naaaa, if you search a minimum you can found that amd call it for a 9900xt(x) / 9950xt(x) like as twice the power of actual top-end GPU. The thing is: they aren’t ready yet, so (in my opinion / i think) they are going to replicate what happened with Vega to current XT generation. « How ? »: by sending Nvidia in the corner by releasing it something around 6 months later after the 8th gen / during spring 2025 (maybe summer). I call it again : they gonna sacrifice the next gen who is gonna be really short in time, or an intermediate one, and release something that gonna put nvidia in a hell of a day.