Yonko can solo anyone in their crews but somehow Kaido’s first mate who pushed Zoro to his absolute limit can beat Big Mom who fought Kaido equally for 3 days (a lot of people get on her ass because she didn’t scar him for 3 days, he didn’t leave a scar on her body either). What the fuck are Zoro fans smoking.
@@Trafalgar-D-Water-Law23it's that fact that queen can see Marco moving that same Marco that was blocking kizura attacks and couldn't see sanji at all in a enclosed space
personally, I can see both sides of Zoro being stronger or not , but Ima start with how he may not be stronger cuz he fought a weaker opponent such as king, but king does have some stats over big mom like dura, but I feel if big mom plays it smart and use is advanced conq like she should have against law and kid but didn't like a dumbass she can win depending on how long can Zoro king of hell last or if Ashura is like that(when it comes to Ashura I feel like it's a big buff but I can't scale it but the best I can do is equal to gear 4 buff or less than gear 5 buff and its conq coded) either way personally on this side mid-high diff. now on the side Zoro is stronger than Big Mom which I personally believe for a lot of reason is that Zoro has crazy stuff to just flat out scar or kill big mom and he is faster a great example is 2 Zoro blitz Kaido in hybrid form with 20-30 broken bones with Ashura which hybrid Kaido thinks base big mom is pathetic and is stronger than her and the other reason Zoro blitz her 3 times in the rooftop while she was saying her attacks or using them to kill Luffy or smth else. now the number 1 thing that I feel that can get Zoro to win against big mom is how strong is a 100% health Ashura Zoro because a Zoro 20-30 broken bones scared, clashed, and blitz hybrid Kaido which is a crazy feat if you think about it is crazy but then the question is how strong that would be (not finish with comment but i had to go but hope you respond
Something else to mention about Sanji vs Vergo; Sanji’s body was already damaged earlier in the arc so he wasn’t in prime condition (Nami was damaged by Caesar while she was in Sanji’s body), meaning that Vergo was only dead even with a weakened Sanji. If it was prime Sanji (or Zoro), he wins.
Could Vergo’s Haki have done that if Sanji’s body wasn’t already damaged? It’s not like it was a minor inconvenience either, Nami was knocked out from an explosion by Caesar despite having Sanji’s body/durability, and the damage was lasting enough that Sanji was visibly affected by it once he got his body back (and punched by Nami).
@@wolfy8838 Bro Sanji literally immediately felt his body aching as soon as he got his body back because Nami doesn't know how to use haki, so when she was in Sanji's body she couldn't do shit to defend against Caesar's attack so Sanji's body received the full damage from it.
@@negacatn254even if he played smart idt king has anything in his kit to actually damage sanji at all Christ sanjis exo skeleton and haki are strong enough to handle blue flames Blue flames being hotter then fucking magma So kings strongest attacks [extra large udon dragon] wouldnt even harm sanji that much if at all
@@thechadyboi6691 where was it said that blue flames were hotter than magma because if that was the case queen would end up as a donut. Zoro said that kings flame dragons are like magma and theres no one so far in the anime that doesnt get damaged by magma (even white beard got his face blown up by magma)
Zoro being stronger than big mom by default would imply that zoro is stronger than both awakened kid and awakened law together (and they couldn't beat big mom) Which, based on one piece power scaling makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Zoro is not there yet.
one thing i wanna add is that sanji is just did not blitz queen he moved so fast that he disappared, he pulled of stealth black without the suit and that felt like a wrong comparision
It's blitzing queen not to the point he can't react like the pitch was too fast for you to hit in time. VS he literally can't even see the ball it's so fast like a bullet VS a baseball level faster.
he did that after the effects from the raid suit started building in his body. Not to mention he was fired up after hearing a girl scream that was gonnna get killed by queen.
@@wolfy8838Bro what Two Piece are you watching, Sanji literally beta Page One and later beat X Drake without the suit and was fighting Queen in base later on, base Sabji without Raid Suit or Gemra Genes scales way beyond Tobi Roppo, you're the one who's high.
the downplay on queen is CRAZY… so Marco was blitzing both King and Queen in a 2v1 while queen was able to perceive marco’s attacks but he couldn’t with sanji + sanji was already fighting king and queen at THE SAME TIME pre germa genes awakening. Sanji is definitely faster than King post awakening its not even close
Sanji is NOT faster. Blitzing an obese dino does not compare with a race who is specifically known for their durability and speed. Isnt Queen the same guy who was getting handled by a tired Marco and a tired Chopper? Lmao Sanji and Queen are NOT close to King
@@wolfy8838 Queen size has nothing to do with his speed lol, kaido is big as fuck but he’s faaast and again queen was able to perceive marco’s attacks even tho marco was blitzing king and queen in a 2v1 same queen who couldn’t perceive sanji’s attack.
@@elijahbaley211 underestimating a PRIME marco? Lmao even without acoc he was able to handle 2 prime commanders, while 1 of them had invincible like durability and one of the best speed feats
@@elijahbaley211 Kaido is fucking buff he is easily conscious of his weight. Queen is the same mf who couldnt react to a Zoro ranged attack while even looking at him from a far distance. Get serious Again you're trying to put PRIME marco on Sanji level or smth lmao. Remember Sanji with the raid suit who is supposed to enhance the germa durability got blitzed by a full transformed King? Not even base which he is faster in or hybrid which is his strongest form
oda literally said in SBS 103 that sanji moves so fast that he becomes invisible to others.ALSO sanji did that in base form, diable jambe is said to increase his speed and attack power and ifrit is said to increase it more. so clearly kings speed is nowhere near sanji's
Did Oda say anything about King's speed? or is there any instance where people saw king while moving in top speed? Bruh, you're funny. Using your logic, Sanji is also stronger than Shanks🤡🤡🤡
@@rowlanddavid1576 top speed?😂 king went all out against Zoro,with flames off. Oda specifically mentioned about sanji's speed. Ur logic is so bad,u want everything to be said word by word. By ur logic, king can be the strongest in the world since oda never said what king's strength is😂. U just can't accept sanji's powerups 😂.
@@ayushramnettar9830 nigga's trying to use his logic against me 🤡🤡🤡 Yes, he went all out against Zoro. That's ZORO. He was at least, good enough to anticipate his attacks and react to them even though King is obviously faster. Not to say King isn't obviously faster than Sanji, but even if he wasn't, Zoro beat King who was faster, so, even if your dumb theory is considered. Sanji still has ways to go.
I think someone forgot that marco was blitzing both King and Queen at the same time, while Queen was able to perceive his attacks and not Sanji's. Also someone might've forgotten that he WAS fighting King and Queen at the same time, just like Marco except without getting the germa amp. Regenerarion doesn't mean he heals his stamina, he was way more damaged than Queen was without it being a competition. If Sanji were to fight Queen now it'd be a no diff fight. Also if Sanji gets a single clean hit against flames off King he's not getting back up, this version of Sanji kicked Queen so hard that he got sent flying ABOVE onigashima. Are we overlooking this or something? Not only did he blast away a Queen who was trying his best to take the hit, he sent him flying multiple walls away(which should help to stop the momentum but literally didn't), made him fly over onigashima which has mountains on top of it. Also just how thick do you think the main skull of onigashima is? Combine that with Queen's weight, probably way more than 2000 lb. The only thing that King has over Sanji is ranged attacks and better durability in his flames on mode. But like that form ain't damaging Sanji lmao
Sanji seems to just flat out turn invisible from moving so fast. Not even like perception blitzing a certain opponent, I’m genuinely convinced oda might actually think sanji is just so fast he’s legit invisible because I’m pretty sure the sound effects used for sanji turning invisible with speed in the manga are the same ones used for characters like Shiryu and soba mask turning invisible rather than the usual sound effect used for perception blitzing people normally. Then again if it is just regular perception blitzing, it’s still base sanji blitzing hybrid Queen, when base Queen was still able to at least perceive hybrid Marco’s speed. We never actually see sanji’s best strength feats either. In grit jambe he low diffs Queen without using his most powerful attacks like concasser. So with what he showed he defeated Queen with substantial overkill while also not showing his strongest attacks with ifrit jambe. We see him bullying S-Shark later by casually smacking him around. Granted S-shark kept getting back up, but he was still stunning him. The seraphim were compared to kaido in durability by luffy, and luffy and zoro did about as well at hurting the seraphim as sanji did. Luffy and zoro can both hurt kaido. Granted none of the monster trio are going all out here, but I definitely think that if sanji was in zoro’s place, despite not being able to perform as well in the same ways as zoro did, he could perform equally well but in different ways. He can’t hurt kaido near the way asura zoro did or block attacks from kaido the way zoro did, but he could probably stun kaido (even killer stunned at least zoan kaido) and he may not be able to block the same way zoro could be he could dodge to avoid getting hit all together. Zoro may have better stamina, but at this point sanji has better durability, endurance, and hax. When zoro had all his bones broken he passed out completely, while when sanji had all his bones broken he said it doesn’t hurt that bad and says he could keep fighting like that, before not needing to because he just regenerates completely. His durability somehow also ignores durability negation as attacks from S-shark directly don’t do any damage whatsoever. I honestly think sanji would beat kid in a fight, but that’s just my perspective, so if kid was helpful during the rooftop fight, I definitely think sanji would be too. I could see him performing as well as zoro, just differently. If not barely worse, but he’d probably ultimately get beat up just like zoro. Imma be honest, I see him beating king too. He was bullying and stunning someone with his same lunarian durability, and he’s way faster than king. Even if zoro did hurt king with his flames, that would’ve only been later in their fight, and it took him until around then to also figure out how kings powers work. Sanji being smarter and having much perceptive abilities than zoro would just be able to recognize kings weakness way earlier and would just curb stomp him the second he turns his flames off. Also P.S. zoro zoro would definitely still lose to doflamingo if he took sanji’s place, and I’m honestly also a little skeptical of him blitzing oven the way sanji did. Sanji did do it in base though, so I mean maybe. Super interesting discussion though
I think there might be a bit of a problem with equating characters strength with their speed, someone being really strong doesnt inheritantly mean they are faster
sanji perception blitzed queen who could percieve a buffed marco from marineford who could tag and dodge kizaru no problem insisting sanji moves many times faster than light for a character who can percieve light not being able too see him. queen. sanjis a fast boy.
Mr 1 vs Sanji is an easy clap for sanji solely because if Bararie luffy can break steel then Arabasta sanji should slam. The only reason why Zoro was struggling was because he was too focused on cutting him
@@KirbyLinkACW it’ll surprise you how many zoro fans are gonna choose to die on the hill that zoro has more durability than sanji despite what we’ve seen so far
Is he really though? The only times that has happened are Arabasta and Wano. But there have been times when Sanji comes out more damaged than Zoro like in Skypeia and Thriller Bark (before Zoro took Luffy's pain).
Also for Zoro vs. Vergo it was stated that he specializes in armament whil Sanji does in observation, so first the fight probably wouldn't happen since Zoro can't sense Vergo comming which only Sanji could but if it did ur right Zoro would do better cause blades + better armament.
Zoro did sense vergo, at some point usopp asked where sanji went and zoro said "i sensed an unfamiliar presence back there let him do his thing" referring to sanji
Queen was able to perceive marco’s movements but had no clue where Sanji was so sanji’s speed is in the same tier as Marco at the very least Also Sanji was able to damage S-shark who is a lunarian so Sanji can definitely hurt King.
“Also Sanji was able to damage S-shark who is a lunarian so Sanji can definitely hurt King” Assuming that King and S Shark are equal in durability just because they’re the same race, where did Sanji actually hurt S Shark? He pushed him back from Nami, but I don’t recall him leaving lasting damage.
@@michaeldorsey9231 sanji was the one last seen fighting s-shark and the next time we see him in chapter 1090 you can see s-shark is damaged in the bubble. im not assuming they have the exact same level of durability but s-shark is lunarian nonetheless. The fact that gear 4 luffy, zoro, lucci and Kaku couldn't damage the seraphim at first shows their durability is legit.
“we see him in chapter 1090 you can see s-shark is damaged in the bubble” He’s very lightly scuffed, which I wouldn’t say is comparable to being “damaged”, but more importantly his flame was off inside the bubble. For all we know Sanji could have only done any real damage in his flame-off state.
"Sanji got beat by Doflamingo 'who gets one shot by any Admiral'..." Did I miss something? If anything, Doflamingo tanked an attack that basically one-shot Jozu, Sanjuan and several other of BB's captains. He isn't getting one-shot by an Admiral via feats. Denjiro having the "greatest swordsmanship" among the scabbards does not scale him above Sulong Neko and Inu. If anything, it just scales him above the scabbards in skill. Doflamingo is in no way depicted below the likes of Killer and Denjiro. He withstood an attack from Kuzan and was confident enough to try and kill Smoker despite having his back turned towards him--but had no desire to enter a fight that would not benefit him (especially since he'd lose, if we're being real). He has feats against multiple of Fujitora's meteorites. Obviously Doflamingo is below the Admirals and this isn't even a debate, but he has feats that put him above the Commanders at the very least in durability and destructive power. He wounded Kin'emon with a kick (who is consistently depicted and suggested to be one of the stronger Scabbards), would've decapitated Kyros with a regular kick, and defeated Law 3 separate times (2 not including when Fujitora was there). Luffy implied that Doflamingo was too tough to take down with his regular Gear 4th techniques, so he amp'd himself further in order to land the finishing blow. He did no such thing against Cracker or Katakuri (albeit in the latter case, he leveled up his Haki before continuing the fight) Doflamingo crushes Zoro in Dressrosa. Zoro may have the AP to do damage, but he lacks the mobility to even reach Doffy half of the time, and if he gets caught by threads, he's dead. Zoro vs Luffy is basically still their Dressrosa versions. Luffy wins. Gear 4th is too much for Zoro to handle. Zoro being stronger than Big Mom is the biggest joke i've heard in this video... What?
“Zoro is more powerful powerful than Big Mom” yeah massive titanic cap. Zoro is not fighting Kaido base to base for 3 days straight. Zoro had a high difficulty battle with King who was easily dispatched of along with Queen by Greenbull. He’s not strong enough to be 1/4 of the power balance that the WG needs admirals and 7 warlords to equal. You were not cooking with that. I’m not saying Zoro isn’t impressive and can’t step up to a Yonko…but BEATING a Yonko on his own? Fuck no
Sanji might beat mr. 1 Zoro was trying to cut swords. Which luffy in previous arcs has been shown to damage/destroy steel. Mr. 1 was a test in swordsmanship to Zoro
In the beginning, zage talks about how zoro would lose to pearl and gin due to the mihawk slash however if Sanji switched zoro wouldn’t have the scar meaning zoro would win
After their respective fights Zoro was on deaths door step while Sanji was still alive and moving and helping as usual, i feel like this is Odas way of showing that Sanji is stronger than Queen and she didn’t push him to his absolute limit like King did with Zoro. We got to see Zoro become the absolute strongest he’s ever been because he had to but with Sanji the fight was not even difficult enough to injure him significantly like how Zoro was almost dead. Because of this I feel like Sanji is even stronger than we saw and it’s not fair to claim he is barely stronger than Queen tier when he easily out classed him.
The medicine was about to run out, if it weren't for rooftop the fight would've been a mid diff cuz Zoro wouldn't have had to use the medicine. King would've pushed Zoro enough to get ACoC but that's it, after that is King being a cutting bag for Zoro.
@@editimpact66 lol BOY your just saying what you want to happen none of that is confirmed in the slightest saying he mid diffs fully healthy but it’s just enough to bring out aCoC like WHAT. That’s you just putting every bias you have into the situation bro you definitely going with green hair this Halloween Ik you a Zoro meat rider
@@editimpact66 Sanji was damaged Af too by king, Black Maria, and running around, obviously not damaged as bad as Zoro with Kaido but the point still stands. I’m not saying Zoro is a bitch and Sanji is stronger but I am saying that Zoros opponent pushed him further than sanjis and that’s a fact, if Luffys end battle was Apoo 😂 he would not be hurt or have gotten as strong as he did when fighting kaido and that’s what I’m saying about Sanji. We just haven’t seen his max yet.
Most of these fights, we have to take into consideration that Sanji mid-diffs most of his opponents when it’s a fair fight (no gimmicks holding him back or prior injuries) while Zoro usually high diffs. This to me says that since Sanji mid diffs slightly weaker enemies, he’s on par with Zoro for most of the series
Let’s bfr every ark zoro is either still damaged from last ark/fight or is so badly injured at the end of the ark- wci was his only break I can remember.
You not wrong. People keep saying Zoro was injured from previous things ect. Him fighting Mr. 1 he was fine. Him fighting Kaku he was fine. Those are the two main high diff fights he had. I think the gap wasn’t much pre time skip but because Zoro did actually train and his only main focus is strength while Sanji spends time cooking I would give Zoro the edge. But it’s impressive that Sanji is kind of just naturally that strong pretimeskip
ok yall were cooking all the way until Zoro vs Doflamingo section. I only really had minor disagreements until that point like going up or down a tier on the difficulties, nothing really too important. Yall were making a super well researched video with nuanced opinions and then just randomly out of nowhere started throwing out all the wank possible in favor or Zoro and randomly downplaying Sanji, yall let your agenda slip through. Implying multiple times Zoro is even close to Luffy and even on the same level as him. Saying Zoro can also bypass Oven without exposing himself is also ridiculous. Saying Zoro is over Big Mom. Downplaying Sanji's speed feat Vs Queen saying there's nothing to compare it to when we do have something to compare it to aka Marco and by proxy Kizaru, yall were just playing dumb. Saying King doesn't have negative BIQ to change the battle outcome ignoring his other severe negative BIQ feats. Ignoring how Fuji was purposefully not trying in dressrosa to give the straw hats the credit. Ignoring Sanji's hax that allows him to damage flames On King. Horrendously downplaying Queen. Overinflating feats when its convenient and downplaying them when it suits your agenda. And im still leaving out multiple points because i typed enough. Like literally everything past 11:35 was just filled with Zorotard talk. 0:00 to 11:35 yall cooked a 3 Michelin star meal, extremely enjoyable and well put together video with well researched scalings. 10/10 11:35 to 24:01 yall got inflicted with the Zorotard curse and made a meal with rotten and expired ingredients. 1/10
This isn't a callout or me trying to downplay your review, but I'm curious what makes you think Sanji can damage King with flames on. While I agree with some of your points, I haven't heard a decent argument on how sanjis kicks are damaging the lunarian with flame defense and dino zoan durability before.
@@dunkienugg8792 Sanji has dura neg within his kicks due to his flames and it's heat. We saw with Queen who has pretty thick skin have his insides burned so badly from one of Sanji's kicks that it fully showed on the other side. That was in Diable Jambe. Imagine Ifrit Jambes dura neg. Is what I would've said If I didn't just remember something. I just had a severe case of brain lag. Reason why is because I think lunarians might be immune or at least resistant to fire meaning Sanji's dura neg wouldn't work as it's based off heat. Nevermind, I take back that point. Sanji can't damage flames on King. I forgot about the resistance/immunity to fire.
Video in general is very well made but I do have a problem with the king queen section. Pre powerup zoro would lose to queen outright. Zoro isn’t the type of fighter that can zip around and dodge all those laser beams and machine guns blasting at him all at once like sanji can. Even if zoro has the ap to damage queen he would inevitably just get bombarded by lasers. POST powerup zoro would win tho. Post power up sanji would decimate king, if zoro beat king with his flames off we give sanji the same condition, sanji is faster, stronger, and has hotter flames than king, when he speed blitzed queen it wasn’t just a normal speed blitz it’s textbook invisibility meaning anyone wouldn’t see him(unless they have the top tier ability to sense invis with advanced haki)
I would disagree with Ryuma being mid diff for Zoro since Brook states they are equal in strength and the fight wont last long since a single blow could end it which is proofen to be factual since Zoro did win with only a single attack so if the reverse is also true and Zoro could have lost in a single blow I'd argue the fight was high to extreme diff. Going from there I think its unlikely for Sanji to beat him.
Brook is an unreliable narator for the fight he gets mopped by ryuma consistently and zoro is leagues above him. there is no reason to assume he has a accurate gauge on the fight. zoro doesn't even put on his bandana no shot the fight was one blow away from losing.
@@lisorerox Could be true. I would argue though that first there is no evidence that in OP u need to be on a combatants level to judege their strength and then are some points in 467 that imo support my claims. When Zoro and Ryuma first clash Franky couldn't see that Zoro countered, Brook explains to him that he did at the exact time Ryuma attacked indicating that he is able to precieve their battle. Then he tells us that this fight will be over in an instant which is also true since this fight was very short and ended once the first hit was landed. Also u can see Zoro being impressed and concerned through out the fight even saying that this legendary samurais strength and soul are real. So at the end u could be right I just think there is more evidence to support that it was at least high diff.
Saying Zoro would be able to Speedblitz Oven the way Sanji did was straight up bullshit LMAO Sanji is LEAGUES ABOVE Zoro in terms of Speed and its not even close.
@@I_love_to_insult ya who couldn't douge a simple attack from nusjuro " speed ≠ reflexes " Zoro is a swordsman. Swordsmen who has better reflexes than any other u dumb dude.
@@I_love_to_insult ya who couldn't douge a simple attack from nusjuro " speed ≠ reflexes " Zoro is a swordsman. Swordsman who has better reflexes than any other u dumb dude.
@@I_love_to_insult ya who couldn't douge a simple attack from nusjuro " speed ≠ reflexes " Zoro is a swordsman. Swordsman who has better reflexes than any other u dumb dude.
@@bigbreins8569 because they somehow believe Sanji could do that to anybody, when it happened to queen, the guy that was being humiliated by a big mom so nerfed that it was her only being able to use her raw strength, no memory of haki, or her devil fruit, no homies, just her raw strength, and queen was humiliated until he played dead to catch her off guard.
@@animeedits8120 you mean when Zoro’s in the middle of a fight, unaware of Sanji, okay and. That’s like saying Nami blitzed a off guard Luffy, and Zoro.
Main one I disagree with here his Sanji losing to Denjiro. Sanji was testing the raid suit on page one and never used diable Jambe or hells memories. Even then he still pushed page one away and according to Ulti later he pretty much beat up page one and left. I’d say pre germa awakening Sanji is close to Jack in power and idk if denjiro could handle Jack in a serious fight. I do not think denjiro is stronger than either of the dukes in sulong. Sanji should be stronger than denjiro tho it would be a pretty decent fight.
Saying Sanji doesn't have the will for nothing happened because he was sad pudding betrayed him is like saying Khabib doesn't have the will to win a tough mma fight because his girlfriend dumped him. There's just no correlation.
im pretty sure Oda gave all the strawhats a ranking in terms of speed in the sbs and he placed Sanji on number two only losing out to brook bcuz he's extremely light
This video was going well until the Rooftop section. The amount of Sanji Exo-Skeleton and Ifrit Jambe disresepct was just...nah, it's crazy. And the amount of Zoro glazing to put him above Law and Kidd on Rooftop and even to TRY and say he's going toe to toe with Kaido is actual insanity. Kaido wasn't even taking Zoro seriously, and he wasn't taking Luffy seriously either until Luffy got ACoC. Zoro also still got one shot by Kaido. Sanji most definitely could damage Kaido with exo-skeleton, let alone IFJ, as he was able to damage a Seraphim on Egghead later WITHOUT EVEN ACTIVATING HIS EXO-SKELETON!!! This means Sanji can not only hurt a Lunarian, but he can do it in base without exo-skeleton. And Sanji is no stronger in Egghead than he is after his fight with Queen. The King wank and the Big Mom and Queen downplay is also absolutely mentally deranged here. Thinking Zoro can take on Big Mom solo and win is just delusional. This video is just 2 Zoro fanboys glazing Zoro to ridiculous levels whilst downplaying Sanji in Wano to a ridiculous degree.
Neither of them could logically take as much dmg as they did. It is actually impossible for Zoro to have taken all that damage and live, no BS willpower explation would change the fact that he would be having his organs penetrated like a scrawny dude in a prison shower
@@jaoofy yes. Actually Oda stated that he died but he lost his way to the other world and that's why he is still alive and that's why Sanji wouldn't survive
When they got to the swapped fight involving judge, I couldnt stop my headcannon from imagining how zoro would whoop judges ass in a brutal fashion. He actually cares for sanji even though they fight all the time
King and queen have the same obv as it’s shown they can’t even see raid suit sanji honestly I kinda hate this debate and it’s a shit take in my opinion
How about a gauntlet to see how far each Wano straw hat would make it against Luffy’s opponents. Some like Zoro and Sanji might be shorter than others.
story wise most of these fight would turn out the same(execpt for fights against women) because Oda 99 percent of the time portrays them as equals in terms of power
maybe its because zoro's been my favorite character since his introduction but I always thought that zoro has always been stronger than sanji, even if the margin is close like you said during enies lobby the gap between kaku and jabra is literally the same as 2 run of the mil background marines
9:40, homie. You think having an unbreakable will has anything to do with sadness or having a breakdown? Big mom had a full on mental breakdown, and she still had an overpowering will
IFJ Sanji mid-high diffs King. A lot of old faulty debunked arguments here along with wank and lowball. Queen reacted to Marco who could react to BM and Kizaru meanwhile Sanji was invisible to Queen in his base form. Not even with his faster states like DJ and IFJ So yes….Sanji is ALOT faster than King. Also no….Zoro can’t harm Flames on King lmao. More ridiculous wank that was debunked by Zoro conceding not once but TWICE that he can’t hurt Flames On Lunarians. On Egghead Zoro, even after his cheeky implication to King, flat out admits there is no point attacking Flames On Lunarians. King is slower than Sanji so he’ll have to turn his flames off to even keep up with him and once that happens Sanji will mid-diff him with an IFJ combo. Sanji’s IFJ AP curbstomped Hybrid Queen who could tank King’s energy slashes. Same slashes that matched Zoro’s 3 swords and ragdolled him so hard Franky had to catch him. Also no Sanji didn’t take damage from Queen. “Crazy damage” LMAO. Queen swung and slammed him. That’s it. As soon as Sanji released his mental block, he kicked his arm off with a casual no-named attack and bullied him low-diff. On Egghead Sanji legit NO-SELLS a Lunarian using Fishman Karate. Physically, King isn’t doing shit to Sanji and his sword was already blocked by Pre-Germa Sanji’s DJ leg. IFJ Sanji blitz combos Flames Off King into a coma and Beof Bursts him to a different island. There’s a reason the majority have Current Sanji>>King. Suggesting King can do anything to Current Sanji who bullies Lunarians, is pure Zoro wank as King isn’t even Zoro lvl. Yes at the moment, KOH Zoro>IFJ Sanji but it’s extreme diff.
Ok, I could argue that KOH Zoro is overall more powerful than Ashura, who reacts to hybrid Kaido who is over Kizaru at Marinford, and then King blitzes that same Zoro, but that would take too long. So for now lets just assume King, flames off, is slower than Sanji. The fact is that Sanji still cant hurt him. On Egghead, Zoro and Luffy never use their dura-neg attacks. The only fighter who does is Nami who was actually able to damage S-Shark with Zeus. Meanwhile, Sanji is still taking damage from Queen even after awakening. Right after Queen uses his Winch Queen attack Sanji is on the floor breathing heavily and bleeding. Also there is no implication of S-Sharks attack power being insane with fishman Karate. Not only are the Seraphim actual children, but implying that S-Shark should be hitting as hard as Jinbe is like saying S-Hawk is Mihawk level. And yes there is a reason why most of the community has Sanji over King, character bias.
@@GLOCKTOBER You realize this only helps Sanji’s argument. Pre-Germa Sanji was able blitz at the exact same speed as drugged up Post-Rooftop Zoro. Base Awakened Sanji is leagues faster than that. Without DJ or IFJ speed amps. Zoro can’t hurt King either and conceded to not being able to twice. Zoro knew his and Luffy’s entire arsenal but conceded there’d be know point in doing it at all. The fact that Zoro told Luffy, who is massively more powerful than him, his attacks would be futile puts a nail in the coffin on his AP being able to hurt Flames on Lunarians. Nami didn’t damage anything. Zeus confirmed it did nothing. He’s literally fine in the next panel and no, Lunarians don’t have regeneration. If King didn’t turn his flames off, Zoro would’ve gotten his ass kicked. That much is clear. Sanji was breathing heavy due to the damage he took from Maria(When he lowered his COA), fighting King+Queen non-stop(Something that made Marco pass out). Those wounds didn’t just disappear lol. Awakened Sanji was fatigued and had previous damage for the entire fight. I never said the Seraphims were equal to their counterparts but they’re far more durable/physically superior. Jinbei is fodder to both Sanji/Zoro so idk why you thought I was using him for a case. I brought up Fishman karate because it’s also dura-neg Sanji no-sold. The point is, King’s speed is laughably below Base Sanji let alone IFJ Sanji which is stated to be an entirely different lvl of speed. King will have no choice but to turn off his flames to keep up(He still won’t). Sanji will then perception blitz him and pack him up with an IFJ combo. Even if Sanji were to fight him without using his vastly superior speed, King would still take the L as Lunarian physicals are borderline fodder to Sanji’s durability. The same punches that ragdolled Zoro would make a full stop on Sanji’s head. King’s only hope is his sword which can be blocked by Sanji’s COA/IFJ coated legs and his flames which aren’t even as hot as IFJ. King has no win condition. Whether Sanji doesn’t use his speed or does, it makes no difference, Sanji is superior in every aspect outside of Flames On Durability. That’s the reason the community has Sanji mid-high diffing King. Also…the OP community loves Zoro way more than Sanji so character bias sounds like cope imo.
@@sonofthechosenone4335 Alright so, if S-Shark isnt damaged then idk why he gets halted, coughs up smoke and then falls in the water. I guess you could say he was taking Nami by surprise but if that was the case why didnt he just Keep going after her instead. Even in Zoro vs King, why does King continue to turn his flames off and block Zoro’s attacks while in flames on. There is no reason to especially since before KOH we see King let Zoro hit him, so that he can counter. But after KOH, King dodges and blocks Zoro’s attack. Why did the author even imply that Zoro can hurt King if that wasnt the case. During the their entire Seraphim interaction neither Luffy nor Zoro are using their dura-nega attacks. Also its really convenient that right after Queen attacked Sanji, he then starts getting fatigued and bleeds out from his previous fights. Whereas before Queen attacked him he was perfectly fine. Very convenient that just then he started taking damage from other fights at that random time. Also again S-Shark is a literal child with fodder ap.
@@GLOCKTOBER S-Shark was stunned by the shock. Lightning tenses your muscles and stuns you for a bit. Even if the lightning is fodder in terms of AP. That has nothing to do with its damage output which was confirmed by Zeus to have been nonexistent on S-Shark. King had never fought someone with ACOC before. The only person he witnessed demonstrate this in combat was his superior, Kaido who he essentially worships as a god(Joyboy etc) and believes no one could defeat. To see someone else demonstrate this same power is psychologically intimidating, hence why he turned it off etc. Luffy/Zoro using their FP on-screen is irrelevant as Zoro with knowledge on both Luffy/his own arsenal of power conceded it would be futile to attack the Seraphims while flame on. There would be no reason for Oda to make such a definitive concession if there was some secret KOH Yonko+ AP attack hiding up Zoro’s sleeve. It isn’t convenient at all as Sanji being hit by his brother’s moves placed another mental nerf on him that hindered him mid-battle. Also getting ragdolled can agitate the wounds that were already present. Sanji having mental flashbacks mid-dodge in addition to his fatigue and damage he took from the other fights culminated into him showing weakness. However once his mind is straight he stomps Queen even while he’s fatigued/damaged from the other fights. Queen is fodder to Fresh Awakened Sanji. It isn’t close. The Lunarians hospitalized Kaku….they have powerful AP. I mean it isn’t like King has phenomenal AP anyways lol. Him being a child is irrelevant af. They aren’t actual babies. They are androids that were genetically modified for combat. That’s why despite having stubby bodies, they were big as hell. Yes they’ll get stronger with age but their present lvls have no correlation to a hypothetical prepubescent Lunarians. (Who even if we did see, would have no proof they’re weaker). Not every fictional race evolves like Kryptonians. My point is, IFJ Sanji has better physicals, AP, speed, and haki. All King has is Flames on Durability. He’s getting packed up.
Well sanji is just a cook and to be that close to zoro is mad crazy because in zoros time skip he trains with mihawk but sanji he just in an island escaping women! so imagine if sanji trains with luffy in the timeskip
Talking about zoro and perubi( the fishman guy) zoro would probably lose, since perubi threw himself in the water in the middle of the fight, zoro cant fight well on water(at that point atleast)
Thank you! Many people just assume king is a dumbass who turns his flames off for no reason. When in actuality, zoro was pressing him in both states which led to king turning his flames off and on again.
I think the biggest argument that people are saying is that King doesn’t have any feats while his flames are on that would hurt sanji once he gets germa durability, but that would develop during the fight just like Sanji learning the lunarian weakness which would probably require a good beating to learn. I get that Sanji specializes in observation and could be capable of finding the weakness faster than Zoro and is generally probably smarter in terms of intelligence but I don’t know for sure if that is the same as battle instincts or IQ in this case. Post Wano/S-Shark feats don’t matter because he was told the weakness by Zoro who wouldn’t have already known. I think that King overall has a higher attack power than Sanji at that point overall because there is nothing that really suggests right now in universe that blue flames are more powerful than magma. To me it still becomes a battle of attrition that i think natural genes and honed attack power would win over just awakening a new form but that goes against plot armor logic. Its kind of a similar question to asking who would do more damage on the rooftop as a replacement for Zoro, Sanji or King? and I still think its King.
People need to stop overplaying Zoro's fight vs Kadio. Zoro can break through Kadio's skin...but that's it...all he did was draw blood. Zoro did no significant damage to Kadio. He DID NOT go "toe to toe" with him. Come on.
Sanji>king high to extreme diff like before him and king clash when he saved momo king or queen couldn’t sense him that’s implys there observation is ass in fact sanji without germs genes is perception blitzing king king would try to turn flames of to see if it help keep up with sanji and it won’t because he literally blitzed zoro in egghead if king uses imperial guardian fire dragon attack sanji would just dodge his attacks with skywalk and deliver with some combos then finish him off with boeuf burst kings gonna get turned into burnt chicken 🐓 💀
21:30 how fast is Sanji: To appear invisible to the average human eye, an object would need to move so quickly that the eye cannot register it. Human visual perception typically has a "temporal resolution" of around 13-15 milliseconds, which corresponds to detecting images at around 60-75 frames per second. After some quick maths (thanks chat gpt) an object would need to move at around 66.67 m/s or 218.77 ft/s to appear effectively invisible to the human eye under typical conditions. But since Queen is not the average human eye the speed most likely is faster Anime logic for the win.
Zoro takes in this entire video is basically if sanji could beat him the zoro could because he’s stronger. Kinda lazy and biased and I don’t even have a dog in the conversation I like them both
I think Sanji may have unlocked Diable Jambe sooner if he fought Mr. 1 I think Sanji messing with Page One because he was just testing out the Germa suit
He was basically trying to convince me that Queen is so weak just to undermine the fact that Sanji fucked him up with no diff .. Then suddenly Zoro became stronger than big mom 😂😂😂
sanji's weakness is no more sharp metal than it is guns. sanji can fight swordsmen the thing he has trouble with is kicking hard surfaces in order to do damage though. deflecting and dodging swords is something he does every day.
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kind of but sanji beats king you never mentioned observation haki which means king isn't touching sanji.
Now you clean
@@jeffyboi8192 observation doesnt mean guaranteed dodge, it just improves your reactions, but you cant dodge shit without speed
@@opel_84and sanji got the speed bruh
Zoro stronger than big mom is a crazy take
I swear ppl have no brain😭
It’s not even a take, it’s a delusion😂
They doing flips and tricks on his dick 😭😭
Siri not even beating law who gets mid diffed by no advanced conquerors big mom💀. Big mom no diffs zoro
@@Meliodas-uv1tp this dude basically saying king and big mom around the same level ☠️
I thought you were pretty neutral at first until you said zoro could beat big mom. 😂
Caught me off gaurd as a Zoro fan😭 but hey if Luffy can take a yonko who to say Zoro can’t 🤣
That and him saying blitzing a yonko commander isn't impressive. Off guarded me tbh
Yonko can solo anyone in their crews but somehow Kaido’s first mate who pushed Zoro to his absolute limit can beat Big Mom who fought Kaido equally for 3 days (a lot of people get on her ass because she didn’t scar him for 3 days, he didn’t leave a scar on her body either). What the fuck are Zoro fans smoking.
@@NotHimKoja I agree blitzing Queen who was getting thrown around by chopper, isn’t all that impressive. Queens speed is nothing to rave about
@@Trafalgar-D-Water-Law23it's that fact that queen can see Marco moving that same Marco that was blocking kizura attacks and couldn't see sanji at all in a enclosed space
You lost me when you said Zoro is more powerful than Big Mom
He also said Zoro would lose to that guy fought against sanji in barati arc
@@menharawatson ya but only because Zoro was heavily injured at that time
personally, I can see both sides of Zoro being stronger or not
, but Ima start with how he may not be stronger cuz he fought a weaker opponent such as king, but king does have some stats over big mom like dura, but I feel if big mom plays it smart and use is advanced conq like she should have against law and kid but didn't like a dumbass she can win depending on how long can Zoro king of hell last or if Ashura is like that(when it comes to Ashura I feel like it's a big buff but I can't scale it but the best I can do is equal to gear 4 buff or less than gear 5 buff and its conq coded) either way personally on this side mid-high diff.
now on the side Zoro is stronger than Big Mom which I personally believe for a lot of reason is that Zoro has crazy stuff to just flat out scar or kill big mom and he is faster a great example is 2 Zoro blitz Kaido in hybrid form with 20-30 broken bones with Ashura which hybrid Kaido thinks base big mom is pathetic and is stronger than her and the other reason Zoro blitz her 3 times in the rooftop while she was saying her attacks or using them to kill Luffy or smth else.
now the number 1 thing that I feel that can get Zoro to win against big mom is how strong is a 100% health Ashura Zoro because a Zoro 20-30 broken bones scared, clashed, and blitz hybrid Kaido which is a crazy feat if you think about it is crazy but then the question is how strong that would be (not finish with comment but i had to go but hope you respond
Something else to mention about Sanji vs Vergo; Sanji’s body was already damaged earlier in the arc so he wasn’t in prime condition (Nami was damaged by Caesar while she was in Sanji’s body), meaning that Vergo was only dead even with a weakened Sanji. If it was prime Sanji (or Zoro), he wins.
yeah but they counted some fights losses for zoro like at baratie because he got murked by mihawk
Vergo's haki broke Sanji to the bone, Caesar doesnt deal that kind of damage
Could Vergo’s Haki have done that if Sanji’s body wasn’t already damaged? It’s not like it was a minor inconvenience either, Nami was knocked out from an explosion by Caesar despite having Sanji’s body/durability, and the damage was lasting enough that Sanji was visibly affected by it once he got his body back (and punched by Nami).
@@wolfy8838 Bro Sanji literally immediately felt his body aching as soon as he got his body back because Nami doesn't know how to use haki, so when she was in Sanji's body she couldn't do shit to defend against Caesar's attack so Sanji's body received the full damage from it.
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Did he just say Zoro is stronger than big mom? 😂
lost me heavy. and sanji beats king
@@gallatinwrestling6422imo sanji loses if king plays smart (I mean he would have won if he played smart on zoro too)
@@negacatn254he didn't play smart tho 😉
@@negacatn254even if he played smart idt king has anything in his kit to actually damage sanji at all
Christ sanjis exo skeleton and haki are strong enough to handle blue flames
Blue flames being hotter then fucking magma
So kings strongest attacks [extra large udon dragon] wouldnt even harm sanji that much if at all
@@thechadyboi6691 where was it said that blue flames were hotter than magma because if that was the case queen would end up as a donut. Zoro said that kings flame dragons are like magma and theres no one so far in the anime that doesnt get damaged by magma (even white beard got his face blown up by magma)
Zoro being stronger than big mom by default would imply that zoro is stronger than both awakened kid and awakened law together (and they couldn't beat big mom) Which, based on one piece power scaling makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Zoro is not there yet.
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Bro this dude is a zoro tard
Fully agreed
@@GLOCKTOBERain't reading allat
@@GLOCKTOBERstill its a 2v1
What stops Kidd from just taking his swords with his df
Nah, saying Zoro beat big mom is crazy. Thats like saying Zoro would beat both Awakened Kidd and Awakened Law at the same time which is ridiculous.
he would
@@GLOCKTOBERyou need to see doctor lol
@@GLOCKTOBERI’m a Zoro fan, and ur insane
First half was neutral but then he sold the second half
Yeah
one thing i wanna add is that sanji is just did not blitz queen he moved so fast that he disappared, he pulled of stealth black without the suit and that felt like a wrong comparision
It's blitzing queen not to the point he can't react like the pitch was too fast for you to hit in time. VS he literally can't even see the ball it's so fast like a bullet VS a baseball level faster.
he did that after the effects from the raid suit started building in his body. Not to mention he was fired up after hearing a girl scream that was gonnna get killed by queen.
Stealth black with a suit couldnt beat a Tobi Roppo, you're high
@@wolfy8838Bro what Two Piece are you watching, Sanji literally beta Page One and later beat X Drake without the suit and was fighting Queen in base later on, base Sabji without Raid Suit or Gemra Genes scales way beyond Tobi Roppo, you're the one who's high.
It’s a perception blitz. He couldn’t see him; even though he was there.
zoro stans thinking he would have beat doffy 😂😂🗿🗿🗿
True
Zoro no diffs doflamingo
Zoro gets low diffed by Doffy
@@Tapedat_stk he would get bodied at that point. It took Luffy and law.
@@rodneymcstah2973law was weak. Luffy bullied him when he went g4. Doffy couldn't do shit to luffy
the downplay on queen is CRAZY…
so Marco was blitzing both King and Queen in a 2v1 while queen was able to perceive marco’s attacks but he couldn’t with sanji + sanji was already fighting king and queen at THE SAME TIME pre germa genes awakening. Sanji is definitely faster than King post awakening its not even close
Sanji is NOT faster.
Blitzing an obese dino does not compare with a race who is specifically known for their durability and speed.
Isnt Queen the same guy who was getting handled by a tired Marco and a tired Chopper? Lmao
Sanji and Queen are NOT close to King
@@wolfy8838 Queen size has nothing to do with his speed lol, kaido is big as fuck but he’s faaast and again queen was able to perceive marco’s attacks even tho marco was blitzing king and queen in a 2v1 same queen who couldn’t perceive sanji’s attack.
@@wolfy8838 well king was getting handled too by a tired marco IN A 2V1 be serious
@@elijahbaley211 underestimating a PRIME marco? Lmao even without acoc he was able to handle 2 prime commanders, while 1 of them had invincible like durability and one of the best speed feats
@@elijahbaley211 Kaido is fucking buff he is easily conscious of his weight. Queen is the same mf who couldnt react to a Zoro ranged attack while even looking at him from a far distance. Get serious
Again you're trying to put PRIME marco on Sanji level or smth lmao.
Remember Sanji with the raid suit who is supposed to enhance the germa durability got blitzed by a full transformed King? Not even base which he is faster in or hybrid which is his strongest form
oda literally said in SBS 103 that sanji moves so fast that he becomes invisible to others.ALSO sanji did that in base form, diable jambe is said to increase his speed and attack power and ifrit is said to increase it more. so clearly kings speed is nowhere near sanji's
no he did on his raid suit form
@@fleux2881did you even bother watching one piece you clown?
Did Oda say anything about King's speed? or is there any instance where people saw king while moving in top speed? Bruh, you're funny. Using your logic, Sanji is also stronger than Shanks🤡🤡🤡
@@rowlanddavid1576 top speed?😂 king went all out against Zoro,with flames off. Oda specifically mentioned about sanji's speed. Ur logic is so bad,u want everything to be said word by word. By ur logic, king can be the strongest in the world since oda never said what king's strength is😂. U just can't accept sanji's powerups 😂.
@@ayushramnettar9830 nigga's trying to use his logic against me 🤡🤡🤡
Yes, he went all out against Zoro. That's ZORO. He was at least, good enough to anticipate his attacks and react to them even though King is obviously faster.
Not to say King isn't obviously faster than Sanji, but even if he wasn't, Zoro beat King who was faster, so, even if your dumb theory is considered. Sanji still has ways to go.
I think someone forgot that marco was blitzing both King and Queen at the same time, while Queen was able to perceive his attacks and not Sanji's. Also someone might've forgotten that he WAS fighting King and Queen at the same time, just like Marco except without getting the germa amp. Regenerarion doesn't mean he heals his stamina, he was way more damaged than Queen was without it being a competition. If Sanji were to fight Queen now it'd be a no diff fight. Also if Sanji gets a single clean hit against flames off King he's not getting back up, this version of Sanji kicked Queen so hard that he got sent flying ABOVE onigashima. Are we overlooking this or something? Not only did he blast away a Queen who was trying his best to take the hit, he sent him flying multiple walls away(which should help to stop the momentum but literally didn't), made him fly over onigashima which has mountains on top of it. Also just how thick do you think the main skull of onigashima is? Combine that with Queen's weight, probably way more than 2000 lb. The only thing that King has over Sanji is ranged attacks and better durability in his flames on mode. But like that form ain't damaging Sanji lmao
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Chill bruh you using logic against zoro fans they don’t like that
@@mugiwara1431lmao
Sanji seems to just flat out turn invisible from moving so fast. Not even like perception blitzing a certain opponent, I’m genuinely convinced oda might actually think sanji is just so fast he’s legit invisible because I’m pretty sure the sound effects used for sanji turning invisible with speed in the manga are the same ones used for characters like Shiryu and soba mask turning invisible rather than the usual sound effect used for perception blitzing people normally. Then again if it is just regular perception blitzing, it’s still base sanji blitzing hybrid Queen, when base Queen was still able to at least perceive hybrid Marco’s speed.
We never actually see sanji’s best strength feats either. In grit jambe he low diffs Queen without using his most powerful attacks like concasser. So with what he showed he defeated Queen with substantial overkill while also not showing his strongest attacks with ifrit jambe. We see him bullying S-Shark later by casually smacking him around. Granted S-shark kept getting back up, but he was still stunning him. The seraphim were compared to kaido in durability by luffy, and luffy and zoro did about as well at hurting the seraphim as sanji did. Luffy and zoro can both hurt kaido. Granted none of the monster trio are going all out here, but I definitely think that if sanji was in zoro’s place, despite not being able to perform as well in the same ways as zoro did, he could perform equally well but in different ways. He can’t hurt kaido near the way asura zoro did or block attacks from kaido the way zoro did, but he could probably stun kaido (even killer stunned at least zoan kaido) and he may not be able to block the same way zoro could be he could dodge to avoid getting hit all together. Zoro may have better stamina, but at this point sanji has better durability, endurance, and hax. When zoro had all his bones broken he passed out completely, while when sanji had all his bones broken he said it doesn’t hurt that bad and says he could keep fighting like that, before not needing to because he just regenerates completely. His durability somehow also ignores durability negation as attacks from S-shark directly don’t do any damage whatsoever. I honestly think sanji would beat kid in a fight, but that’s just my perspective, so if kid was helpful during the rooftop fight, I definitely think sanji would be too. I could see him performing as well as zoro, just differently. If not barely worse, but he’d probably ultimately get beat up just like zoro.
Imma be honest, I see him beating king too. He was bullying and stunning someone with his same lunarian durability, and he’s way faster than king. Even if zoro did hurt king with his flames, that would’ve only been later in their fight, and it took him until around then to also figure out how kings powers work. Sanji being smarter and having much perceptive abilities than zoro would just be able to recognize kings weakness way earlier and would just curb stomp him the second he turns his flames off.
Also P.S. zoro zoro would definitely still lose to doflamingo if he took sanji’s place, and I’m honestly also a little skeptical of him blitzing oven the way sanji did. Sanji did do it in base though, so I mean maybe. Super interesting discussion though
Even if he couldn’t beat king Whit his powers, he probably would have accepted to lose his humanity to beat king if you see what i mean
and i have qustion, didn't sanji just no diff a lunarian jimbe @@ibluebee2832
no offence but make a video if your gonna talk at length on something
@@nonameuser5243 this amount of information would be way to minimal for a video
@@monke1419 even still you could a career out of your hobby and im sure you will find even more to talk about
You’re slurping a bit too hard on Zoro with the big mom thing
Knew the vid would be bias at that point
I think there might be a bit of a problem with equating characters strength with their speed, someone being really strong doesnt inheritantly mean they are faster
sanji perception blitzed queen who could percieve a buffed marco from marineford who could tag and dodge kizaru no problem insisting sanji moves many times faster than light for a character who can percieve light not being able too see him. queen. sanjis a fast boy.
We both know kizaru was toying with marco
Mr 1 vs Sanji is an easy clap for sanji solely because if Bararie luffy can break steel then Arabasta sanji should slam. The only reason why Zoro was struggling was because he was too focused on cutting him
I've been trying to explain this to do many people. But Zoro fans are a whole other breed of ' I can't hear what you say '.
That’s assuming that Krieg’s armor is as durable as Daz Bones.
@@michaeldorsey9231 it was lined with bits of fucking gold! I'd be more surprised if Mr. 1 is stronger than fucking gold!
gold is really soft, and even slightly malleable. not that strong a material.
@@LargeMetalCubeyou foolish little sausage, don d. krieg can use gold haki in his armor
one thing I noticed though is that zoro is always a lot more damaged that sanji after their fights. i think that's important to keep in cosideration.
Someone else pointed out that Zoro has higher endurance while Sanji has higher durability.
@@KirbyLinkACW it’ll surprise you how many zoro fans are gonna choose to die on the hill that zoro has more durability than sanji despite what we’ve seen so far
Is he really though? The only times that has happened are Arabasta and Wano. But there have been times when Sanji comes out more damaged than Zoro like in Skypeia and Thriller Bark (before Zoro took Luffy's pain).
Also for Zoro vs. Vergo it was stated that he specializes in armament whil Sanji does in observation, so first the fight probably wouldn't happen since Zoro can't sense Vergo comming which only Sanji could but if it did ur right Zoro would do better cause blades + better armament.
Zoro did sense vergo, at some point usopp asked where sanji went and zoro said "i sensed an unfamiliar presence back there let him do his thing" referring to sanji
@@twisty4075 Can u give me the chapter number?
@@matthiasrauert8397 yeah, it's chapter 680 page 15
@@twisty4075 Thanks man rly cool of u.
Ur right i stand corrected. Good catch.
Why do you think zoro does'nt have observation good enough? He showed it multiple times.
Queen was able to perceive marco’s movements but had no clue where Sanji was so sanji’s speed is in the same tier as Marco at the very least
Also Sanji was able to damage S-shark who is a lunarian so Sanji can definitely hurt King.
Base sanji speed> hybrid Marco speed
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“Also Sanji was able to damage S-shark who is a lunarian so Sanji can definitely hurt King”
Assuming that King and S Shark are equal in durability just because they’re the same race, where did Sanji actually hurt S Shark? He pushed him back from Nami, but I don’t recall him leaving lasting damage.
@@michaeldorsey9231 sanji was the one last seen fighting s-shark and the next time we see him in chapter 1090 you can see s-shark is damaged in the bubble.
im not assuming they have the exact same level of durability but s-shark is lunarian nonetheless. The fact that gear 4 luffy, zoro, lucci and Kaku couldn't damage the seraphim at first shows their durability is legit.
@@vegetacultminorityhunter post Germa awakening sanji >= hybrid marco in terms of speed.
“we see him in chapter 1090 you can see s-shark is damaged in the bubble”
He’s very lightly scuffed, which I wouldn’t say is comparable to being “damaged”, but more importantly his flame was off inside the bubble. For all we know Sanji could have only done any real damage in his flame-off state.
"Sanji got beat by Doflamingo 'who gets one shot by any Admiral'..." Did I miss something? If anything, Doflamingo tanked an attack that basically one-shot Jozu, Sanjuan and several other of BB's captains. He isn't getting one-shot by an Admiral via feats.
Denjiro having the "greatest swordsmanship" among the scabbards does not scale him above Sulong Neko and Inu. If anything, it just scales him above the scabbards in skill.
Doflamingo is in no way depicted below the likes of Killer and Denjiro. He withstood an attack from Kuzan and was confident enough to try and kill Smoker despite having his back turned towards him--but had no desire to enter a fight that would not benefit him (especially since he'd lose, if we're being real). He has feats against multiple of Fujitora's meteorites. Obviously Doflamingo is below the Admirals and this isn't even a debate, but he has feats that put him above the Commanders at the very least in durability and destructive power. He wounded Kin'emon with a kick (who is consistently depicted and suggested to be one of the stronger Scabbards), would've decapitated Kyros with a regular kick, and defeated Law 3 separate times (2 not including when Fujitora was there).
Luffy implied that Doflamingo was too tough to take down with his regular Gear 4th techniques, so he amp'd himself further in order to land the finishing blow. He did no such thing against Cracker or Katakuri (albeit in the latter case, he leveled up his Haki before continuing the fight)
Doflamingo crushes Zoro in Dressrosa. Zoro may have the AP to do damage, but he lacks the mobility to even reach Doffy half of the time, and if he gets caught by threads, he's dead.
Zoro vs Luffy is basically still their Dressrosa versions. Luffy wins. Gear 4th is too much for Zoro to handle.
Zoro being stronger than Big Mom is the biggest joke i've heard in this video... What?
“Zoro is more powerful powerful than Big Mom” yeah massive titanic cap. Zoro is not fighting Kaido base to base for 3 days straight. Zoro had a high difficulty battle with King who was easily dispatched of along with Queen by Greenbull. He’s not strong enough to be 1/4 of the power balance that the WG needs admirals and 7 warlords to equal. You were not cooking with that. I’m not saying Zoro isn’t impressive and can’t step up to a Yonko…but BEATING a Yonko on his own? Fuck no
Some of the straw hats won their fights due to their match ups at the time ( Luffy vs enel, zoro vs Mr 1).
Zoro had the disadvantage against Mr.1 tho, it's WAY harder to cut metal than to bend it.
@@editimpact66at least zoro could still defend against him.
All sanji could really do is dodge his attacks.
@@stickthelanding4785 luffy and sanji wouldn't have to tho, Zoro couldn't damage mr 1 cuz cutting metal is just hard.
Sanji might beat mr. 1
Zoro was trying to cut swords. Which luffy in previous arcs has been shown to damage/destroy steel.
Mr. 1 was a test in swordsmanship to Zoro
In the beginning, zage talks about how zoro would lose to pearl and gin due to the mihawk slash however if Sanji switched zoro wouldn’t have the scar meaning zoro would win
full summary of this video, "we love riding zoro so much, that we down play sanji a lot 😋" is most of what i understood with this otherwise cool video
bro you said a lot of wild things like they were just facts!!
After their respective fights Zoro was on deaths door step while Sanji was still alive and moving and helping as usual, i feel like this is Odas way of showing that Sanji is stronger than Queen and she didn’t push him to his absolute limit like King did with Zoro. We got to see Zoro become the absolute strongest he’s ever been because he had to but with Sanji the fight was not even difficult enough to injure him significantly like how Zoro was almost dead. Because of this I feel like Sanji is even stronger than we saw and it’s not fair to claim he is barely stronger than Queen tier when he easily out classed him.
To be fair Zoro death door started rooftop. Chopper and doc said after drug wear off he will be back on death door basically.
Zoro nearly dieing is the pain return from the goat docs medicine
The medicine was about to run out, if it weren't for rooftop the fight would've been a mid diff cuz Zoro wouldn't have had to use the medicine. King would've pushed Zoro enough to get ACoC but that's it, after that is King being a cutting bag for Zoro.
@@editimpact66 lol BOY your just saying what you want to happen none of that is confirmed in the slightest saying he mid diffs fully healthy but it’s just enough to bring out aCoC like WHAT. That’s you just putting every bias you have into the situation bro you definitely going with green hair this Halloween Ik you a Zoro meat rider
@@editimpact66 Sanji was damaged Af too by king, Black Maria, and running around, obviously not damaged as bad as Zoro with Kaido but the point still stands. I’m not saying Zoro is a bitch and Sanji is stronger but I am saying that Zoros opponent pushed him further than sanjis and that’s a fact, if Luffys end battle was Apoo 😂 he would not be hurt or have gotten as strong as he did when fighting kaido and that’s what I’m saying about Sanji. We just haven’t seen his max yet.
Most of these fights, we have to take into consideration that Sanji mid-diffs most of his opponents when it’s a fair fight (no gimmicks holding him back or prior injuries) while Zoro usually high diffs. This to me says that since Sanji mid diffs slightly weaker enemies, he’s on par with Zoro for most of the series
Bro Zoro is hurt like the entire east blue
Bro u sanji fans need to chill. Pretty much all pre timeskip zoro is nerfed and post timeskip we didn't see his max power till wano
Let’s bfr every ark zoro is either still damaged from last ark/fight or is so badly injured at the end of the ark- wci was his only break I can remember.
You not wrong. People keep saying Zoro was injured from previous things ect. Him fighting Mr. 1 he was fine. Him fighting Kaku he was fine. Those are the two main high diff fights he had. I think the gap wasn’t much pre time skip but because Zoro did actually train and his only main focus is strength while Sanji spends time cooking I would give Zoro the edge. But it’s impressive that Sanji is kind of just naturally that strong pretimeskip
@@LilyFields-l4hlitteraly only arlonng park and sabaody
ok yall were cooking all the way until Zoro vs Doflamingo section. I only really had minor disagreements until that point like going up or down a tier on the difficulties, nothing really too important. Yall were making a super well researched video with nuanced opinions and then just randomly out of nowhere started throwing out all the wank possible in favor or Zoro and randomly downplaying Sanji, yall let your agenda slip through. Implying multiple times Zoro is even close to Luffy and even on the same level as him. Saying Zoro can also bypass Oven without exposing himself is also ridiculous. Saying Zoro is over Big Mom. Downplaying Sanji's speed feat Vs Queen saying there's nothing to compare it to when we do have something to compare it to aka Marco and by proxy Kizaru, yall were just playing dumb. Saying King doesn't have negative BIQ to change the battle outcome ignoring his other severe negative BIQ feats. Ignoring how Fuji was purposefully not trying in dressrosa to give the straw hats the credit. Ignoring Sanji's hax that allows him to damage flames On King. Horrendously downplaying Queen. Overinflating feats when its convenient and downplaying them when it suits your agenda. And im still leaving out multiple points because i typed enough. Like literally everything past 11:35 was just filled with Zorotard talk.
0:00 to 11:35 yall cooked a 3 Michelin star meal, extremely enjoyable and well put together video with well researched scalings. 10/10
11:35 to 24:01 yall got inflicted with the Zorotard curse and made a meal with rotten and expired ingredients. 1/10
This isn't a callout or me trying to downplay your review, but I'm curious what makes you think Sanji can damage King with flames on. While I agree with some of your points, I haven't heard a decent argument on how sanjis kicks are damaging the lunarian with flame defense and dino zoan durability before.
@@dunkienugg8792 Sanji has dura neg within his kicks due to his flames and it's heat. We saw with Queen who has pretty thick skin have his insides burned so badly from one of Sanji's kicks that it fully showed on the other side. That was in Diable Jambe. Imagine Ifrit Jambes dura neg.
Is what I would've said If I didn't just remember something. I just had a severe case of brain lag. Reason why is because I think lunarians might be immune or at least resistant to fire meaning Sanji's dura neg wouldn't work as it's based off heat. Nevermind, I take back that point. Sanji can't damage flames on King. I forgot about the resistance/immunity to fire.
damn tha5s crazy
23:10 Restlessgambler is fuming right now...
If zoro and sanji swap fights then it’s not reasonable to count zero’s injuries from his fight with mihawk against him.
why is sanji even fighting arlong anyways didnt they both attack arlong together
Video in general is very well made but I do have a problem with the king queen section. Pre powerup zoro would lose to queen outright. Zoro isn’t the type of fighter that can zip around and dodge all those laser beams and machine guns blasting at him all at once like sanji can. Even if zoro has the ap to damage queen he would inevitably just get bombarded by lasers. POST powerup zoro would win tho. Post power up sanji would decimate king, if zoro beat king with his flames off we give sanji the same condition, sanji is faster, stronger, and has hotter flames than king, when he speed blitzed queen it wasn’t just a normal speed blitz it’s textbook invisibility meaning anyone wouldn’t see him(unless they have the top tier ability to sense invis with advanced haki)
Queen is fodder cracker beat him
i love these so much dead ass keep em coming
The édit at the start WAS FIRE 🔥🔥🔥
if zoro and sanjis fights are switched why does zoro still have damage from the mihawk fight? 2:50
couldnt zeff leave a foot print of steel ...couldnt sanji unlock that for mr 1
I would disagree with Ryuma being mid diff for Zoro since Brook states they are equal in strength and the fight wont last long since a single blow could end it which is proofen to be factual since Zoro did win with only a single attack so if the reverse is also true and Zoro could have lost in a single blow I'd argue the fight was high to extreme diff. Going from there I think its unlikely for Sanji to beat him.
Brook is an unreliable narator for the fight he gets mopped by ryuma consistently and zoro is leagues above him. there is no reason to assume he has a accurate gauge on the fight. zoro doesn't even put on his bandana no shot the fight was one blow away from losing.
@@lisorerox Could be true.
I would argue though that first there is no evidence that in OP u need to be on a combatants level to judege their strength and then are some points in 467 that imo support my claims.
When Zoro and Ryuma first clash Franky couldn't see that Zoro countered, Brook explains to him that he did at the exact time Ryuma attacked indicating that he is able to precieve their battle. Then he tells us that this fight will be over in an instant which is also true since this fight was very short and ended once the first hit was landed.
Also u can see Zoro being impressed and concerned through out the fight even saying
that this legendary samurais strength and soul are real.
So at the end u could be right I just think there is more evidence to support that it was at least high diff.
Saying Zoro would be able to Speedblitz Oven the way Sanji did was straight up bullshit LMAO Sanji is LEAGUES ABOVE Zoro in terms of Speed and its not even close.
but zors reflexes >>>>> sanji it will counter sanjis speed
@@adarshav4609 Sanji has way better reflexes.
@@I_love_to_insult ya who couldn't douge a simple attack from nusjuro " speed ≠ reflexes "
Zoro is a swordsman. Swordsmen who has better reflexes than any other u dumb dude.
@@I_love_to_insult ya who couldn't douge a simple attack from nusjuro " speed ≠ reflexes "
Zoro is a swordsman. Swordsman who has better reflexes than any other u dumb dude.
@@I_love_to_insult ya who couldn't douge a simple attack from nusjuro " speed ≠ reflexes "
Zoro is a swordsman. Swordsman who has better reflexes than any other u dumb dude.
sanji didn't just go invisible because it was queen Oda said him self that sanji can move so fast that he can go invisible
I’m happy you mentioned how Sanji speed blitzing queen is not as impressive as the fans think.
Why tho? isn't speed a aspect in a battle?
@@bigbreins8569 because they somehow believe Sanji could do that to anybody, when it happened to queen, the guy that was being humiliated by a big mom so nerfed that it was her only being able to use her raw strength, no memory of haki, or her devil fruit, no homies, just her raw strength, and queen was humiliated until he played dead to catch her off guard.
In egghead sanji sort of blitz zoro
@@animeedits8120 you mean when Zoro’s in the middle of a fight, unaware of Sanji, okay and. That’s like saying Nami blitzed a off guard Luffy, and Zoro.
@@ginnungagapabyss5639that was a joke
Main one I disagree with here his Sanji losing to Denjiro. Sanji was testing the raid suit on page one and never used diable Jambe or hells memories. Even then he still pushed page one away and according to Ulti later he pretty much beat up page one and left. I’d say pre germa awakening Sanji is close to Jack in power and idk if denjiro could handle Jack in a serious fight. I do not think denjiro is stronger than either of the dukes in sulong. Sanji should be stronger than denjiro tho it would be a pretty decent fight.
NAHH I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING TTHIS NOOO
Naw bro we gotta collab next I hoed the shit outta u
fs bro just lmk and dont worry bout it lol@@GLOCKTOBER
Saying Sanji doesn't have the will for nothing happened because he was sad pudding betrayed him is like saying Khabib doesn't have the will to win a tough mma fight because his girlfriend dumped him. There's just no correlation.
im pretty sure Oda gave all the strawhats a ranking in terms of speed in the sbs and he placed Sanji on number two only losing out to brook bcuz he's extremely light
This video was going well until the Rooftop section. The amount of Sanji Exo-Skeleton and Ifrit Jambe disresepct was just...nah, it's crazy.
And the amount of Zoro glazing to put him above Law and Kidd on Rooftop and even to TRY and say he's going toe to toe with Kaido is actual insanity. Kaido wasn't even taking Zoro seriously, and he wasn't taking Luffy seriously either until Luffy got ACoC. Zoro also still got one shot by Kaido.
Sanji most definitely could damage Kaido with exo-skeleton, let alone IFJ, as he was able to damage a Seraphim on Egghead later WITHOUT EVEN ACTIVATING HIS EXO-SKELETON!!! This means Sanji can not only hurt a Lunarian, but he can do it in base without exo-skeleton. And Sanji is no stronger in Egghead than he is after his fight with Queen.
The King wank and the Big Mom and Queen downplay is also absolutely mentally deranged here. Thinking Zoro can take on Big Mom solo and win is just delusional.
This video is just 2 Zoro fanboys glazing Zoro to ridiculous levels whilst downplaying Sanji in Wano to a ridiculous degree.
I'm sure Sanji couldn't take as much pain as Zoro in thriller bark
Well I agree but I think mostly because at that point Sanji already took more damage and Zoro saw that Sanji was heavily injured.
Neither of them could logically take as much dmg as they did. It is actually impossible for Zoro to have taken all that damage and live, no BS willpower explation would change the fact that he would be having his organs penetrated like a scrawny dude in a prison shower
@@jaoofy yes. Actually Oda stated that he died but he lost his way to the other world and that's why he is still alive and that's why Sanji wouldn't survive
DAWG NO WAYY IM SO EARLY W VIDEO
When they got to the swapped fight involving judge, I couldnt stop my headcannon from imagining how zoro would whoop judges ass in a brutal fashion. He actually cares for sanji even though they fight all the time
King and queen have the same obv as it’s shown they can’t even see raid suit sanji honestly I kinda hate this debate and it’s a shit take in my opinion
The start with that hit was fire
How about a gauntlet to see how far each Wano straw hat would make it against Luffy’s opponents. Some like Zoro and Sanji might be shorter than others.
Sanji is regarded as fast because he blitzed someone who perceived Marco who kept up with Kizaru.
story wise most of these fight would turn out the same(execpt for fights against women) because Oda 99 percent of the time portrays them as equals in terms of power
the zoro glaze is unreal holy moly
Even though Sanji is clearly weaker we have to remember that his role on this ship is as the ship's cook💀
Bro you're so underrated
I know my boys @RestlessGambler and @SuperiorIQ are fuming right now 😂🤣
You forgot
Zoro vs cricket
Zoro vs Jerry and probably some more I forgot about
Zoro fanatics really have no bounds 😂😂😂 can beat big mom and of course the sanji downplay 😂
That intro was fire
maybe its because zoro's been my favorite character since his introduction but I always thought that zoro has always been stronger than sanji, even if the margin is close like you said during enies lobby the gap between kaku and jabra is literally the same as 2 run of the mil background marines
Nah your right it's been clear zoro was stronger he was actually stronger then luffy for a bit then they were equal
@@ltsMotion When was he stronger than luffy?
@@NylonEpoxywhen they first met zoro definitely taking luffy. All luffy had was the lil ass pistol punch😭
@@NylonEpoxy plenty of times like when they first meant, on thrillerbark beating mr 1 and more
@@allstarquez5699Luffy had gum gum Gatling, ballon , whip , battle axe , and stamp in east blue.
PS: he was also holding back.
lol okay y’all lost when y’all said king and /or zoro were faster than sanji
Big mom slams zoro. Its not even remotely close either
9:40, homie. You think having an unbreakable will has anything to do with sadness or having a breakdown? Big mom had a full on mental breakdown, and she still had an overpowering will
IFJ Sanji mid-high diffs King. A lot of old faulty debunked arguments here along with wank and lowball. Queen reacted to Marco who could react to BM and Kizaru meanwhile Sanji was invisible to Queen in his base form. Not even with his faster states like DJ and IFJ So yes….Sanji is ALOT faster than King. Also no….Zoro can’t harm Flames on King lmao. More ridiculous wank that was debunked by Zoro conceding not once but TWICE that he can’t hurt Flames On Lunarians. On Egghead Zoro, even after his cheeky implication to King, flat out admits there is no point attacking Flames On Lunarians. King is slower than Sanji so he’ll have to turn his flames off to even keep up with him and once that happens Sanji will mid-diff him with an IFJ combo. Sanji’s IFJ AP curbstomped Hybrid Queen who could tank King’s energy slashes. Same slashes that matched Zoro’s 3 swords and ragdolled him so hard Franky had to catch him. Also no Sanji didn’t take damage from Queen. “Crazy damage” LMAO. Queen swung and slammed him. That’s it. As soon as Sanji released his mental block, he kicked his arm off with a casual no-named attack and bullied him low-diff. On Egghead Sanji legit NO-SELLS a Lunarian using Fishman Karate. Physically, King isn’t doing shit to Sanji and his sword was already blocked by Pre-Germa Sanji’s DJ leg. IFJ Sanji blitz combos Flames Off King into a coma and Beof Bursts him to a different island. There’s a reason the majority have Current Sanji>>King. Suggesting King can do anything to Current Sanji who bullies Lunarians, is pure Zoro wank as King isn’t even Zoro lvl. Yes at the moment, KOH Zoro>IFJ Sanji but it’s extreme diff.
Ok, I could argue that KOH Zoro is overall more powerful than Ashura, who reacts to hybrid Kaido who is over Kizaru at Marinford, and then King blitzes that same Zoro, but that would take too long. So for now lets just assume King, flames off, is slower than Sanji.
The fact is that Sanji still cant hurt him.
On Egghead, Zoro and Luffy never use their dura-neg attacks. The only fighter who does is Nami who was actually able to damage S-Shark with Zeus. Meanwhile, Sanji is still taking damage from Queen even after awakening. Right after Queen uses his Winch Queen attack Sanji is on the floor breathing heavily and bleeding. Also there is no implication of S-Sharks attack power being insane with fishman Karate. Not only are the Seraphim actual children, but implying that S-Shark should be hitting as hard as Jinbe is like saying S-Hawk is Mihawk level. And yes there is a reason why most of the community has Sanji over King, character bias.
@@GLOCKTOBER You realize this only helps Sanji’s argument. Pre-Germa Sanji was able blitz at the exact same speed as drugged up Post-Rooftop Zoro. Base Awakened Sanji is leagues faster than that. Without DJ or IFJ speed amps.
Zoro can’t hurt King either and conceded to not being able to twice. Zoro knew his and Luffy’s entire arsenal but conceded there’d be know point in doing it at all. The fact that Zoro told Luffy, who is massively more powerful than him, his attacks would be futile puts a nail in the coffin on his AP being able to hurt Flames on Lunarians. Nami didn’t damage anything. Zeus confirmed it did nothing. He’s literally fine in the next panel and no, Lunarians don’t have regeneration. If King didn’t turn his flames off, Zoro would’ve gotten his ass kicked. That much is clear.
Sanji was breathing heavy due to the damage he took from Maria(When he lowered his COA), fighting King+Queen non-stop(Something that made Marco pass out). Those wounds didn’t just disappear lol. Awakened Sanji was fatigued and had previous damage for the entire fight. I never said the Seraphims were equal to their counterparts but they’re far more durable/physically superior. Jinbei is fodder to both Sanji/Zoro so idk why you thought I was using him for a case. I brought up Fishman karate because it’s also dura-neg Sanji no-sold. The point is, King’s speed is laughably below Base Sanji let alone IFJ Sanji which is stated to be an entirely different lvl of speed. King will have no choice but to turn off his flames to keep up(He still won’t). Sanji will then perception blitz him and pack him up with an IFJ combo. Even if Sanji were to fight him without using his vastly superior speed, King would still take the L as Lunarian physicals are borderline fodder to Sanji’s durability. The same punches that ragdolled Zoro would make a full stop on Sanji’s head. King’s only hope is his sword which can be blocked by Sanji’s COA/IFJ coated legs and his flames which aren’t even as hot as IFJ. King has no win condition. Whether Sanji doesn’t use his speed or does, it makes no difference, Sanji is superior in every aspect outside of Flames On Durability. That’s the reason the community has Sanji mid-high diffing King. Also…the OP community loves Zoro way more than Sanji so character bias sounds like cope imo.
@@sonofthechosenone4335 Alright so, if S-Shark isnt damaged then idk why he gets halted, coughs up smoke and then falls in the water. I guess you could say he was taking Nami by surprise but if that was the case why didnt he just Keep going after her instead. Even in Zoro vs King, why does King continue to turn his flames off and block Zoro’s attacks while in flames on. There is no reason to especially since before KOH we see King let Zoro hit him, so that he can counter. But after KOH, King dodges and blocks Zoro’s attack. Why did the author even imply that Zoro can hurt King if that wasnt the case. During the their entire Seraphim interaction neither Luffy nor Zoro are using their dura-nega attacks.
Also its really convenient that right after Queen attacked Sanji, he then starts getting fatigued and bleeds out from his previous fights. Whereas before Queen attacked him he was perfectly fine. Very convenient that just then he started taking damage from other fights at that random time. Also again S-Shark is a literal child with fodder ap.
@@GLOCKTOBER S-Shark was stunned by the shock. Lightning tenses your muscles and stuns you for a bit. Even if the lightning is fodder in terms of AP. That has nothing to do with its damage output which was confirmed by Zeus to have been nonexistent on S-Shark. King had never fought someone with ACOC before. The only person he witnessed demonstrate this in combat was his superior, Kaido who he essentially worships as a god(Joyboy etc) and believes no one could defeat. To see someone else demonstrate this same power is psychologically intimidating, hence why he turned it off etc. Luffy/Zoro using their FP on-screen is irrelevant as Zoro with knowledge on both Luffy/his own arsenal of power conceded it would be futile to attack the Seraphims while flame on. There would be no reason for Oda to make such a definitive concession if there was some secret KOH Yonko+ AP attack hiding up Zoro’s sleeve.
It isn’t convenient at all as Sanji being hit by his brother’s moves placed another mental nerf on him that hindered him mid-battle. Also getting ragdolled can agitate the wounds that were already present. Sanji having mental flashbacks mid-dodge in addition to his fatigue and damage he took from the other fights culminated into him showing weakness. However once his mind is straight he stomps Queen even while he’s fatigued/damaged from the other fights. Queen is fodder to Fresh Awakened Sanji. It isn’t close. The Lunarians hospitalized Kaku….they have powerful AP. I mean it isn’t like King has phenomenal AP anyways lol. Him being a child is irrelevant af. They aren’t actual babies. They are androids that were genetically modified for combat. That’s why despite having stubby bodies, they were big as hell. Yes they’ll get stronger with age but their present lvls have no correlation to a hypothetical prepubescent Lunarians. (Who even if we did see, would have no proof they’re weaker). Not every fictional race evolves like Kryptonians.
My point is, IFJ Sanji has better physicals, AP, speed, and haki. All King has is Flames on Durability. He’s getting packed up.
@@sonofthechosenone4335cook🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️
Well sanji is just a cook and to be that close to zoro is mad crazy because in zoros time skip he trains with mihawk but sanji he just in an island escaping women! so imagine if sanji trains with luffy in the timeskip
Talking about zoro and perubi( the fishman guy) zoro would probably lose, since perubi threw himself in the water in the middle of the fight, zoro cant fight well on water(at that point atleast)
If Perubi throws himself into the water, that's just him retreating from the fight; which is basically just a loss.
the sonic cd special stage trap remix was goddamn FIRE
Sanji and Zoro are still portrayed as equals and both have as impressive feats.
zoro vice captain sanji rankless
W video collap w zage too WW
Who thinks sanji can beat king
Because I do
Also this guy has some REALLY goofy takes 😂
King is lunarian, how can Sanji even damage him?
Great vid. But english is my second language, and whenever Zage was talking I could barely understand what was he saying lol
I'm of the belief that Sanji's true power is unknown. Who do you think stops luffy from eating everything on the Sunny?
Damn thats a good point
Thank you! Many people just assume king is a dumbass who turns his flames off for no reason. When in actuality, zoro was pressing him in both states which led to king turning his flames off and on again.
I expected this cause y'all seemed like zoro fans
So yu want them to ride sanji
I think the biggest argument that people are saying is that King doesn’t have any feats while his flames are on that would hurt sanji once he gets germa durability, but that would develop during the fight just like Sanji learning the lunarian weakness which would probably require a good beating to learn. I get that Sanji specializes in observation and could be capable of finding the weakness faster than Zoro and is generally probably smarter in terms of intelligence but I don’t know for sure if that is the same as battle instincts or IQ in this case. Post Wano/S-Shark feats don’t matter because he was told the weakness by Zoro who wouldn’t have already known. I think that King overall has a higher attack power than Sanji at that point overall because there is nothing that really suggests right now in universe that blue flames are more powerful than magma. To me it still becomes a battle of attrition that i think natural genes and honed attack power would win over just awakening a new form but that goes against plot armor logic. Its kind of a similar question to asking who would do more damage on the rooftop as a replacement for Zoro, Sanji or King? and I still think its King.
People need to stop overplaying Zoro's fight vs Kadio. Zoro can break through Kadio's skin...but that's it...all he did was draw blood. Zoro did no significant damage to Kadio. He DID NOT go "toe to toe" with him. Come on.
This is cope
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My statement or there's?
Because I'm only arguing that they are overplaying current Zoro really hard here.
@@placeholder_384what zoro did was a papercut🗿
@@theguywhoasked2597 tbe paper cut tgat left a permanent scar
i have never seen two guys glazing on zoros meat so hard
Sanji>king high to extreme diff like before him and king clash when he saved momo king or queen couldn’t sense him that’s implys there observation is ass in fact sanji without germs genes is perception blitzing king king would try to turn flames of to see if it help keep up with sanji and it won’t because he literally blitzed zoro in egghead if king uses imperial guardian fire dragon attack sanji would just dodge his attacks with skywalk and deliver with some combos then finish him off with boeuf burst kings gonna get turned into burnt chicken 🐓 💀
18:18 He Say Sanji WOULDA DIED Up There 😂😂😂
If he tried to block it than yes
"Zoro vs Sanji is.... *Not even close"
WE GOT TO THE POINT, OH WE DON'T BE MAKING MISTAKES YEAH 💯💯 🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️
had me in the first half ngl
w vid fr fr but you forgot 4 egghead fights which are sanji vs s shark twice,zoro vs kaku rematch, and Zoro vs s hawk
21:30 how fast is Sanji: To appear invisible to the average human eye, an object would need to move so quickly that the eye cannot register it. Human visual perception typically has a "temporal resolution" of around 13-15 milliseconds, which corresponds to detecting images at around 60-75 frames per second. After some quick maths (thanks chat gpt) an object would need to move at around 66.67 m/s or 218.77 ft/s to appear effectively invisible to the human eye under typical conditions. But since Queen is not the average human eye the speed most likely is faster Anime logic for the win.
What is the music at 23:15
The beat in the beginning was 🔥
Zoro takes in this entire video is basically if sanji could beat him the zoro could because he’s stronger. Kinda lazy and biased and I don’t even have a dog in the conversation I like them both
I think Sanji may have unlocked Diable Jambe sooner if he fought Mr. 1
I think Sanji messing with Page One because he was just testing out the Germa suit
beat at the end beginning fire icl
Heat vid I like this collab
Feels like these guys only watch the anime
They show you multiple panels and whats wrong with the anime it gets almosr nothing wtong
Go to 1:58 to see the fighting
Not saying sanji is stronger than zoro.. But the brachio grip that awakened Germa genes. Zoro would die with that.
king of hell zoro would one shot that sanji
Zoro fans you got your vid here.
w vid as always
He was basically trying to convince me that Queen is so weak just to undermine the fact that Sanji fucked him up with no diff ..
Then suddenly Zoro became stronger than big mom 😂😂😂
sanji's weakness is no more sharp metal than it is guns. sanji can fight swordsmen the thing he has trouble with is kicking hard surfaces in order to do damage though. deflecting and dodging swords is something he does every day.
Bro is such a troll😭
🗣 :- Why he can't do this ?
Shadx :- because he can't do this😂
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