Nice video and thorough explanation of the techniques. I've sparred with conditioned muay thai fighters and they can mix things up quickly. I've been fortunate to train with resisting partners for many years, so joint locks, throws and BJJ comes naturally. What I've seen in your videos is about the best demonstrations of ninjitsu out there. I'm here in Sacramento, CA. and I wish there were instructors that teach ninjitsu with the kind of training you give to your students. Nice job.
I've watched a few videos from this instructor. He is very good. He is incorporating wrestling into his Ninjitsu techniques. Not pure. But intended to be effective. More instructors should follow his lead. We all have a great deal to learn from one another. I commend him.
My teacher's teacher is Doron Navon Shihan. Before 1988 everybody in Bujinkan sparred. Hatsumi's book about Togakure ryu has many images of his students then sparring with boxing gloves etc.
OSSU! Great Technique Sheriff! People commenting negatively should take more time to reflect. Much respect to Akban, however as a ninjutsu black belt and MMA competitor, I feel that these particular techniques displayed are particularly good for certain circumstances within a street situation or any situation involving a jacket. Sweaty arms and wild Muay Thai full plume control pulling and pushing with knees coming at you from under and over to the crown of your head, should be taken into consideration. The gi gives more options and traction to grip. If there are no jackets worn in this situation, I feel the best defense is the simplest. Simply turn your waist with your shoulder pressing into your opponents elbow or forearm while raising your arm parallel to opponents shoulder or neck (Attack is suggested right away) will make the assailant's wrist lose grip. Quickly in one motion apply your desired follow up attack (crossed arm corid artery strike, chi no kata fudoken uppercut, upward chin push, ura gyaku, hon gyaku, musha dori, ganseki nagi, teep kick, overlapping elbow strike, counter muay thai clinch, sutemi waza, etc) take your pick, henka is limitless at that point. This is both a Thai and Ninpo technique fused by turning, arm raising and attacking at the same time.
This would work really well against an opponent standing still and not striking back. All martial arts have effective and ineffective techniques. But there is a massive difference to light sparring in a dojo and a full contact fight. Everything changes when stress, fatigue and pain is introduced to the body.
Agree 100%. These are the kind of comments that come from people who have competed...The rest of the people just believe whatever is presented to them in a youtube video and say "it is not the art, it is the artist", "this is too dangerous for competiton" and the usual excuses.
I meant that I agree 100% with Ashley Smith....indeed sparring and competition against someone who does not know you neither cares about you, are worlds apart. True Wing Chun, you said that "the masterclass level combat fighters get past so called impossible spots". Who is a masterclass level fighter if not the very same people that fight professionaly for a living? I mean, if a technique is effective, it will present it self in some form of competition.
Video or did not happen.What is the name of the supposed experienced fighter and where is his online record? If you are so deadly why you are not in the ufc getting payed the millions of McGregor? By the way, kicking knee caps DO NOT RESULT in broken knees. professional ufc fighters had used knee cap kicks against their opponents and unlike what many people see in the movies, no knees were broken and actually were less effective than the usual muay thai low kicks. Unless of course, they did not know the "deadly" version of kicking kness because they are just "tv fighers" (irony)...Claims like your's are contantly done on youtube...However, there is never a real fight video or even a light sparring match to prove such astoninshing abilities. And the comment "Ufc is basic full contact sparring" shows you have never competed. If you did , you would know that NOTHING is like competing against a complete stranger that is trained and has every motive to kick your ass in front of an audience.
Well let's be fair guys as a MMA practitioner myself, I believe all techniques have a place in the arsenal, granted being specific movement, spacing, timing, and advantageous circumstances there's an unlimited number of variations and possibilities any technique could happen, and the most obvious would be 2guys really fighting for that dominant clinch position, you'd have to deal with breaking their foundation before considering anything else, but I believe every technique is just another option, and if practiced well any one can do it, also everyone will do it slightly altered to their own style as well. So it's really user based just an option
great explanation. I have been training for seven years in martial arts and I deeply respect every fighter and their choice of style. I have always believed that there is no superior style only superior technique. if you train for two days while another trains for five that person will be better prepared for a fight. my respect to you.
+xXxsightsxXx Nice, till that head flip does not work and he just grabs on and now he has your back.... the guy forgot to mention when clinched you are taking elbows and especially head butts! You would be happy to get a knee because most people fail at it and the guy is on one leg and you will probably fall over together! I think these multi sequence moves depend on the guy holding still....you better stun him real good first if you want to use that and those body shots are not doing much from there.
I practice Goshin Jitsu, and we share techniques with a Ninjitsu black belt from another school. I like alot of your techniques. I will show your clinch technique to my Sensei next course. Thank you for your well explained video. With respect, I wish you a nice day.
Respectfully, this is a Muai Thai move. It has been done countless time in MT against MT fighters. The Ninjutsu addition here are the throws, which are illegal in MT.
All people here talking about that this grappling moves agains MT clinch would be like a suicide, but Buakaw Por Pramuk uses a lot of grappling hooks in his fights. Could anyone tell that his fights aren't for real? Of course not. You just need to train harder to get into the technique. Just that. I can see a lot of useful counters in Ninjutsu against another martial arts, even in Karate, a martial art that I practice now. I'm interested in Ninjutsu teachings to provide best defense and offense to my Karate skills and to learn about weapons handling. Greetings from Brasil.
Ray White Many guys who comment, have not been thought this simple opening, so they think it's Ninjutsu against Muai Thai, Of course it's not. Since many of us are experienced MT practitioners too, it's more a matter of learning and cross pollination. Uppercut, front hook and a knee - Ernesto Hoost in Akban
Akban, love the video, love the techniques demonstrated and even more so how you linked them together as "if this one fails go to this one, and so on...", but I would love to see a video done, showing how you would deal with the knee strikes that would no doubt start coming in, if you didn't get to the half clinch quick enough.
very nice knowlegde, i did grow up with muay thai. and we got similiar ways to free from full clinch but there are to many steps.. Primitive + functional should be the way and should explain what i mean.
Hello, I am the moderator of the AKBAN academy on RUclips. My teacher, Yossi Sheriff, the one who speaks at the video has been an avid Muai Thai student for many years. He always says that Muai Thai is the best MA he knows for striking. I re-watched the video again now, I found no derogatory remarks against Muai Thai - on the contrary, the opening technique that precedes every move has been a favorit Fairtex Muai Thai move from one of their camps.
I myself am a ninjitsu practitioner at Falcon Martial Arts academy of Florida. I honestly can say these methods do work. Though, we mix bujinkan ninjitsu with kali escrima and jeet kune do. My teacher has sparred with people from plenty of different backgrounds, even a very skilled U.S. marine in our class and has never lost a fight. The thing is these techniques do work, except the techniques you see in most video are the beginner techniques. The ones we use in a fight you literally cannot see
I was a student of Wing Chun Kung Fu for over 8 years. I understand the mentality of ferocity overcoming technique, but I have yet to find a martial art that compensates for the scramble that occurs in real fights more than BJJ. The students that are helping demonstrate these techniques are just not scrambling for position, making these moves look far better than they would be in actual combat.
+Jeremiah Beene which is kind of the point of a technique demonstration. I have never seen the other guy fighting back when a bjj/grappling technique was demonstrated. And know what: it always looks much better than in a real grappling situation. Surprising, isn´t it?
the third one is probably the most important one, the positioning of the hands, it should be pointing fingers upwards cupping the skull, that way you don't overexert your energy by using your biceps. you can control the opponent with just the movement of the wrist, while he overstresses his neckmuscles. please note that this is just a friendly tip and no disrespect to you or your art is intended
It's so funny how so many people are hating. He is doing a demonstration, the same way BJJ instructors demonstrate techniques. Look at Gracie Academy and see they ALSO demonstrate in slow motion to emphasize the subtle movements that make transitions most effective.
You are right. If you look at MT fights, you'll see the correct posture, you described, deteriorating in no time into something with more space. It is taking advantage of this space that is described here
Out of respect I won't post it here, but Chris Thornton from SBG in Portland did a lecture at PSU that sums up the difference between traditional martial arts and fighting arts. It's a great lecture, and he's quite respectful of traditional arts. It's available on youtube.
I am confident Yossi Sheriff's technique was to reach out to his kyodai and others that were wondering how to escape this dread Muay Thai full plume clinch. Purist may disagree with me. That's fine! Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but application and is all that matters. Any given technique can and will work if given the right opportunity executed at the right moment. We must research everything we can in order to train effectively. But that's my philosophy. Anyway to all the neigh-sayers, these techniques displayed above work! Everything boils down to seconds in a real situation, what you do within the scheme of totality determines your survival. To all of you Sawadee kop and Gambatte!
At last, a nak muay that understands that the clinch opening is standard. As for the rest of the techniques, we think they work ok in our sparring, many of us are MT partitioners. But of course, many of the technique we allow ourselves in sparring are not legal in an arena. Respect
I completely agree with Erhan. Also, These Ninjitsu techniques work best along with elements of surprise and trickery, very CQC oriented and I wouldn't mind at all having these techniques mastered in case I ever had the opportunity to execute them. Very unlikely to see this work in the ring though. After fighters have squared off at least 90% of surprise is gone and Muay Thai is king of the ring.
These guys never practiced any of these techniques against anyone who uses these techniques in full contact fighting or who have at least 1 year wrestling training. This will not work against a trained Muay Thai fighter, MMA fighter, grappler, wrestler, etc. I don't think they guys even spar. But, perhaps against a novice, this technique may work simply as an unexpected move
***** here's a link The roundhouse kick (mawashi) - Ernesto Hoost in Akban in it is Ernesto Hoost, Mr. perfect, teaching a seminar in AKBAN. maybe this can serve as a clue that we are know our MT. Respectfully
AKBAN Nice video, as a Muay Thai instructor and competitor it is refreshing to see positions analysed by other perspectives. Your entry and clinch loosening is similar to some Thai techniques, and your applications of throws and upper body manipulations are worth exploring. Thanks for sharing! (for those who doubt another arts effectiveness, nobody thought Judo was good vs wrestling, MT or MMA until Rhonda Rousey came along.)
Ray White Thanks. You are one of the only guys commenting who actually show some sense. Many of us are experienced MT practitioners too and we check our techniques with the top instructors in the world The roundhouse kick (mawashi) - Ernesto Hoost in Akban
Sydney Cut the knee (like cutting a kick) or sink down and scoop it if you can. If not, take the one knee on the muscles of your abs by turning then pick the ankle as the leg is retracting
Some interesting ideas. I love the combination of judo with MuayThai. Judo offers some options outside the rules of Muay Thai that people typically may not expect so it makes the clinch game much deeper and complete.I will explore some of these with my students.
Everyone in this thread should go back and watch the Anderson Silvia Rich Franklin fight .Train against those moves Silvia is using and then you will have a better clinch defense using this move! People who know the clinch will move like this!
Yep, thanks. Why not actually. My instructor spent years doing MT and the solutions he learned influenced his Ninjutsu. The beginning technique of opening the clinch from below is borrowed, with full credits, from Muai Thai
Ninjutsu is technically more of an umbrella term used for different styles favoured by Japanese assassins (who were often trained in ways similar to the samurai). Ninjutsu involves weapons, striking attacks and elements of jiu-jitsu. You'll also see similarities to karate and other Japanese martial arts styles.
For the record, I saw a video where Anderson Silva gave part of a seminar and brought up a grappling counter to the clinch similar to the ones shown in this vid. He said something like, "And this one for my friends who are great grapplers."
+Richard Harrow Everyone in this thread should go back and watch the Anderson Silvia Rich Franklin fight .Train against those moves or the move simply will not work!
its the fighters, and not the system. Ninjitsu is very good martial arts and is amazing, I myself train in karate, kickboxing, muay thai, freestyle, bjj, grappling, etc etc and Ive taken a ninjitsu seminar and I know it's freaking awesome. Again, its the fighter and not the system.
What I'm saying is you'd either have to be exceptionally aware of your opponents bodily positions or to have practiced in the dojo for decades to be able to pull this off. There are more brutal and barbaric ways to end a clinch in a truly dangerous situation which would be more ideal for those who aren't 'masters'.
***** I never claimed either. Was clearly discussing more ideal choices for those who aren't as experienced as those people you suggested. Without the experience you're far less likely to be able to use these techniques in a combat situation, so I was suggesting it might be better to do something with more chance of causing quick, brutal damage. Unless you train in these movements constantly they won't come naturally and will be a conscious choice, which will distract you from the key objective; doing whatever you can to defeat your opponent and get to safety. "you'd either have to be exceptionally aware of your opponents bodily positions or to have practiced in the dojo for decades to be able to pull this off", "which would be more ideal for those who aren't 'masters'". Don't be so defensive over apparent attacks to your ego or style(?) Nobody can cause you more harm than your own unguarded thoughts. I hope you know that the majority of martial masters do not think as you have just spoken.
Since we all have been and still do train in Muai Thai, you can be sure we are aware of the devastating techniques MT has inside the clinch. Search youtube for "Hoost in AKBAN" ...
I've found that MT fighters win primarily based on their physical conditioning and training regimen. You take 100 muay thai fighters and line them up with 100 TKD/Karate/judo guys and you will see a massive difference in muscularity, fat percentages, cardio, ability to withstand punishment, etc. In sparring they are relentless adversaries and are extremely difficult to throw since they allow throws in their fighting style. Once on the ground however...
Moderator here. All of AKBAN veterans are Muai Thai practitioners too. This is not a fight, this is a tutorial. Try these techniques before showing disrespect
I agree that a better way to counter the clinch would be to learn and use the thai clinch counters of thai boxing itself. They have been designed to work (hopefully, as being in the clinch is not good and getting out can be tough) with constantly resisting skilled fighters. Applying street tactics when possible and effective as well.
I've fought leitai. I used the clinch to stop strikes and do my own damage on the leitai many times. I won an entire round only using a "clinch and throw" strategy. You know where I got my clinch game from? Hung Gar. The pressure to the neck; the elbows to the face; the destroying of posture; the stealing steps; the knees; the throws... yeah... it's all there. Most important thing about clinching is to keep your opponent off balance. If you don't do that, they can counter. Feel their counter.
great video,I have the following question tho:in judo I am not allowed to to uppercut the side of the body from the half clinch,would you be so kind to suggest another effective way to get out of the "his-elbow-on-my-chest-is-preventing-me-from-doing-techniques" situation?besides maybe poking my opponent with a thumb:o Thank you in advance
Well, that's like saying to someone playing soccer "run after your ball while i go buy ten in the store". Not everything needs to be the best practical sollution, but one can still enjoy the training. In a self-defense situation, even a MMA world champ would be limited if whoever attacks him/her pulls a knife, a bat, a gun, or whatever..
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Just my opinion......The best thing here is to push forward the clinch to reduce the space even more and break the balance point of the muay thai fighter. By staying there and do a technique with more than 1 movement, for sure you will receive a knee to the body or the face.
With respect, this collection of throws starts by opening the clinch with the oposite hand from below. This full clinch release is a Muai Thai technique that my instructor uses as a prologue for all the other throws, he always emphasizes the superiority of MT in striking. So, maybe this technique will not work, the opponent will do many things, you are right, but the technique at it's core is a Muai Thai technique so I believe these MT fighters know what they are doing, my friend.
I think it's important for viewers to understand that the instructor is going over one of many possibilities. He never claimed this will work perfectly in all scenarios. If he tried to cover everything that could possibly happen, the video would be at least a month long. This kata, like any training in ninjutsu, is a fight scenario that's meant to be tried out and played with. It's a starting point, not an end all.
Again, all depends on where the elbow is. If it's in collar position, that will be somewhat difficult unless you somehow break or release the clinch. Still, whatever you can get in is what I say.
1. This is not against Muay Thai, this is a technique against MT clinch 2. He did MT for many years 3. This is a tutorial of a MT release, the only thing my instructor added are the throws at the end.
Hmmm, Sir, two things: 1. You can search RUclips for "AKBAN gun seminar" to see that we live in a wider, very combat oriented perspective. 2. The "anti clinch" technique is actually borrowed from Muai Thai. It works in certain situations and in others it does not work. If the opponent knows the technique you are aiming too it will most certainly will make it very hard to execute the techniques. As is the case with many martial arts techniques.
This is not a MT clinch. You do not 'grab the neck' as you said. You grab high a top of the opponents head and yank down (when done by someone who knows what there doing its extremely uncomfortable and cause a lot of strain on the neck), and the forearms will be squeezed together tightly you wont be able to slip your hands threw (as in the video the forearms were wide apart leaving a gap to easily slip into).
also, we found that sparring leads to elevating only the best athletes, unrealistically high skills, unrealistically high risk of getting hit repeatedly w/ the safety of gloves, padding, restricting the outlawed techniques that would seriously injure the opp, which is our objective
It doesnt make the vid of the techniques bad, but indeed, the clinch shown is not a proper muaythai clinch. I think the most important point not mentioned by combuzzll, is that the fingertips should touch the top of the head, creating leverage thus making it almost impossible to keep posture. Makes countering it more realistic. :)
Hi, I am the AKBAN RUclips channel moderator, My name is David. As you can guess I am from Israel and like most AKBAN guys I have been doing mainly Ninjutsu, but also MT and Judo
these techinques are brilllant but a lot wont work against a thai clinch. When i go into a clinch, number 1 would be getting my forearms in his arm to control him so i dont get elbowed. @ 3:43 is a textbook example of what thai fighters look for in a clinch. trust me, i learnt it the hard way
These guys never practiced any of these techniques against anyone who uses these techniques in full contact fighting or who have at least 1 year wrestling training. This will not work against a trained Muay Thai fighter, MMA fighter, grappler, wrestler, etc. I don't think they guys even spar. But, perhaps against a novice, this technique may work simply as an unexpected move.
MartialArtsFan72 stupidity and lack of research Muai Thai timing techniques for Ninjutsu - Ernesto Hoost in Akban since we have been to Thailand and learned from the best MT teachers on this planet, we find your disrespect problematic. BTW, the opening move of releasing the clinch is standard high level MT.
that wasn't a Thai clinch that looks like a day 1 learning to clinch. That's not even a beginner clinch escape. First you have to get your hips in close an stand as straight up as possible arms blocking knees until your hips are, while your doing this you straighten your neck while trapping the arms, clap grip on forearm in crux of the elbows to prevent elbows. After that you have lots of options "swim" I'm for your own clinch, outside elbow push, throw an elbow coming over then down at a 45 degree. Please remake this video with a MT fighter so we can see it done properly. I'm not saying it isn't a good tech but in this video you can't tell.
Dude... Please don't introduce logic, common sense or real experience in this comment section. The fuck is wrong with you? People are trying to live out their fantasies, not to learn how to defend themselves. What do you mean "this is what thai fighters look for in a clinch"? Everybody knows that when you get in a clinch you just stand there and lightly hold your opponent so he doesn't fall down. It's not like I'm gonna look for an opening to connect my elbow with your jaw line, or try to knee the fuck out of your rib cage or chin... or legs... or liver... or knock your air out... Please, leave real life knowledge out of this. Thank you.
Where did you study Muay Thai? I'm trained through Ajarn Chai and we do not clinch like this at all. We always grab them by the back of the neck, pull them in, clench, and then our heads are essentially side by side with our head resting against the clinch. The only way to escape is with a throw, clinch reversal, or popping the elbows. The head is completely trapped at the neck. This also allows us to easily sway them back and forth.
They practice these movements when sparring as well and if you practice a certain grab long enough you will be able to do it quicker until you can finally pull it off against non suspecting people on the street. These videos are very interesting to watch. I like the skirt xD
Do not forget that when in a clinch with a Muay Thai pro you will receive knees to the liver and head. So I would like to see your same approuch against studendts of Sidyodtong or Lucien Carbin. (the clinch master). These guys train the clinch every day. I would say the best defense against a MT clinch is a MT clinch takeover.
Thai clinches tend to be slightly closer to the head than the base of the neck, and tend to pull down and in with the wrestlers elbow effect(which you mentioned) besides the grabbing point of the clinch, very good video. Interesting technique. :)
Nice video and thorough explanation of the techniques. I've sparred with conditioned muay thai fighters and they can mix things up quickly. I've been fortunate to train with resisting partners for many years, so joint locks, throws and BJJ comes naturally. What I've seen in your videos is about the best demonstrations of ninjitsu out there. I'm here in Sacramento, CA. and I wish there were instructors that teach ninjitsu with the kind of training you give to your students. Nice job.
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I've watched a few videos from this instructor. He is very good. He is incorporating wrestling into his Ninjitsu techniques. Not pure. But intended to be effective. More instructors should follow his lead. We all have a great deal to learn from one another. I commend him.
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My teacher's teacher is Doron Navon Shihan.
Before 1988 everybody in Bujinkan sparred.
Hatsumi's book about Togakure ryu has many images of his students then sparring with boxing gloves etc.
OSSU! Great Technique Sheriff! People commenting negatively should take more time to reflect. Much respect to Akban, however as a ninjutsu black belt and MMA competitor, I feel that these particular techniques displayed are particularly good for certain circumstances within a street situation or any situation involving a jacket. Sweaty arms and wild Muay Thai full plume control pulling and pushing with knees coming at you from under and over to the crown of your head, should be taken into consideration. The gi gives more options and traction to grip. If there are no jackets worn in this situation, I feel the best defense is the simplest. Simply turn your waist with your shoulder pressing into your opponents elbow or forearm while raising your arm parallel to opponents shoulder or neck (Attack is suggested right away) will make the assailant's wrist lose grip. Quickly in one motion apply your desired follow up attack (crossed arm corid artery strike, chi no kata fudoken uppercut, upward chin push, ura gyaku, hon gyaku, musha dori, ganseki nagi, teep kick, overlapping elbow strike, counter muay thai clinch, sutemi waza, etc) take your pick, henka is limitless at that point. This is both a Thai and Ninpo technique fused by turning, arm raising and attacking at the same time.
Must try with Real Muay Thai Fighter.
With respect.
Thank God for people of reasoning. you sir are part of the small amount of people who are realist when it comes to fighting.
This would work really well against an opponent standing still and not striking back. All martial arts have effective and ineffective techniques. But there is a massive difference to light sparring in a dojo and a full contact fight. Everything changes when stress, fatigue and pain is introduced to the body.
Agree 100%. These are the kind of comments that come from people who have competed...The rest of the people just believe whatever is presented to them in a youtube video and say "it is not the art, it is the artist", "this is too dangerous for competiton" and the usual excuses.
I meant that I agree 100% with Ashley Smith....indeed sparring and competition against someone who does not know you neither cares about you, are worlds apart. True Wing Chun, you said that "the masterclass level combat fighters get past so called impossible spots". Who is a masterclass level fighter if not the very same people that fight professionaly for a living? I mean, if a technique is effective, it will present it self in some form of competition.
Video or did not happen.What is the name of the supposed experienced fighter and where is his online record?
If you are so deadly why you are not in the ufc getting payed the millions of McGregor? By the way, kicking knee caps DO NOT RESULT in broken knees. professional ufc fighters had used knee cap kicks against their opponents and unlike what many people see in the movies, no knees were broken and actually were less effective than the usual muay thai low kicks. Unless of course, they did not know the "deadly" version of kicking kness because they are just "tv fighers" (irony)...Claims like your's are contantly done on youtube...However, there is never a real fight video or even a light sparring match to prove such astoninshing abilities. And the comment "Ufc is basic full contact sparring" shows you have never competed. If you did , you would know that NOTHING is like competing against a complete stranger that is trained and has every motive to kick your ass in front of an audience.
Well let's be fair guys as a MMA practitioner myself,
I believe all techniques have a place in the arsenal, granted being specific movement, spacing, timing, and advantageous circumstances there's an unlimited number of variations and possibilities any technique could happen, and the most obvious would be 2guys really fighting for that dominant clinch position, you'd have to deal with breaking their foundation before considering anything else, but I believe every technique is just another option, and if practiced well any one can do it, also everyone will do it slightly altered to their own style as well. So it's really user based just an option
xXxsightsxXx Good explanation my friend! Ous!
great explanation. I have been training for seven years in martial arts and I deeply respect every fighter and their choice of style. I have always believed that there is no superior style only superior technique. if you train for two days while another trains for five that person will be better prepared for a fight. my respect to you.
+xXxsightsxXx Nice, till that head flip does not work and he just grabs on and now he has your back.... the guy forgot to mention when clinched you are taking elbows and especially head butts! You would be happy to get a knee because most people fail at it and the guy is on one leg and you will probably fall over together! I think these multi sequence moves depend on the guy holding still....you better stun him real good first if you want to use that and those body shots are not doing much from there.
Great teaching; I really enjoy the explanation and application of each move. Well appreciated.
We are glad that these videos are useful. Thanks!
I loved his Ganseki nage attack! Awesome application!
I practice Goshin Jitsu, and we share techniques with a Ninjitsu black belt from another school. I like alot of your techniques. I will show your clinch technique to my Sensei next course. Thank you for your well explained video. With respect, I wish you a nice day.
Great art of discipline. Nice video.
Respectfully, this is a Muai Thai move.
It has been done countless time in MT against MT fighters.
The Ninjutsu addition here are the throws, which are illegal in MT.
Seems to work well on compliant training partners who don't know how to do the muay thai technique properly O_o
All people here talking about that this grappling moves agains MT clinch would be like a suicide, but Buakaw Por Pramuk uses a lot of grappling hooks in his fights. Could anyone tell that his fights aren't for real? Of course not. You just need to train harder to get into the technique. Just that. I can see a lot of useful counters in Ninjutsu against another martial arts, even in Karate, a martial art that I practice now. I'm interested in Ninjutsu teachings to provide best defense and offense to my Karate skills and to learn about weapons handling. Greetings from Brasil.
Yep I agree. The basic technique here, the opening of the clinch, is a MT technique originaly.
AKBAN Why yes it is. It is one of the opening I teach as well.
Ray White Many guys who comment, have not been thought this simple opening, so they think it's Ninjutsu against Muai Thai,
Of course it's not. Since many of us are experienced MT practitioners too, it's more a matter of learning and cross pollination.
Uppercut, front hook and a knee - Ernesto Hoost in Akban
Straight up man! I wish more bujinkan dojos had the same courage to investigate techniques like this.
Akban, love the video, love the techniques demonstrated and even more so how you linked them together as "if this one fails go to this one, and so on...", but I would love to see a video done, showing how you would deal with the knee strikes that would no doubt start coming in, if you didn't get to the half clinch quick enough.
very nice knowlegde, i did grow up with muay thai. and we got similiar ways to free from full clinch but there are to many steps.. Primitive + functional should be the way and should explain what i mean.
Good stuff, great application of these throws from this position.
Hello, I am the moderator of the AKBAN academy on RUclips. My teacher, Yossi Sheriff, the one who speaks at the video has been an avid Muai Thai student for many years.
He always says that Muai Thai is the best MA he knows for striking. I re-watched the video again now, I found no derogatory remarks against Muai Thai - on the contrary, the opening technique that precedes every move has been a favorit Fairtex Muai Thai move from one of their camps.
I never saw a proper thai clinch lock here. Try it on someone who really knows Muay Thai!
Yup the Muay Thai fighter clinches he has his kneez in his gut.
Muaythai probably fight like this but don’t forget about knee .it very dangerous if you let it . Anyway I very love you channel . Thankyou
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I myself am a ninjitsu practitioner at Falcon Martial Arts academy of Florida. I honestly can say these methods do work. Though, we mix bujinkan ninjitsu with kali escrima and jeet kune do. My teacher has sparred with people from plenty of different backgrounds, even a very skilled U.S. marine in our class and has never lost a fight. The thing is these techniques do work, except the techniques you see in most video are the beginner techniques. The ones we use in a fight you literally cannot see
any technique will work if your uke just stands there. make it dynamic and resistance. true resistance and try this.
+Chris Piggott that's true. But without gloves it is easier to move.
I was a student of Wing Chun Kung Fu for over 8 years. I understand the mentality of ferocity overcoming technique, but I have yet to find a martial art that compensates for the scramble that occurs in real fights more than BJJ. The students that are helping demonstrate these techniques are just not scrambling for position, making these moves look far better than they would be in actual combat.
+Jeremiah Beene which is kind of the point of a technique demonstration. I have never seen the other guy fighting back when a bjj/grappling technique was demonstrated. And know what: it always looks much better than in a real grappling situation. Surprising, isn´t it?
We respect your opinion, we differ in perspective.
The opening up of the clinch is a MT technique, so of course it will work
the third one is probably the most important one, the positioning of the hands, it should be pointing fingers upwards cupping the skull, that way you don't overexert your energy by using your biceps.
you can control the opponent with just the movement of the wrist, while he overstresses his neckmuscles.
please note that this is just a friendly tip and no disrespect to you or your art is intended
It's so funny how so many people are hating. He is doing a demonstration, the same way BJJ instructors demonstrate techniques. Look at Gracie Academy and see they ALSO demonstrate in slow motion to emphasize the subtle movements that make transitions most effective.
You are right. If you look at MT fights, you'll see the correct posture, you described, deteriorating in no time into something with more space.
It is taking advantage of this space that is described here
Out of respect I won't post it here, but Chris Thornton from SBG in Portland did a lecture at PSU that sums up the difference between traditional martial arts and fighting arts. It's a great lecture, and he's quite respectful of traditional arts. It's available on youtube.
I am confident Yossi Sheriff's technique was to reach out to his kyodai and others that were wondering how to escape this dread Muay Thai full plume clinch. Purist may disagree with me. That's fine! Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but application and is all that matters. Any given technique can and will work if given the right opportunity executed at the right moment. We must research everything we can in order to train effectively. But that's my philosophy. Anyway to all the neigh-sayers, these techniques displayed above work! Everything boils down to seconds in a real situation, what you do within the scheme of totality determines your survival. To all of you Sawadee kop and Gambatte!
At last, a nak muay that understands that the clinch opening is standard.
As for the rest of the techniques, we think they work ok in our sparring, many of us are MT partitioners.
But of course, many of the technique we allow ourselves in sparring are not legal in an arena.
Respect
I completely agree with Erhan. Also, These Ninjitsu techniques work best along with elements of surprise and trickery, very CQC oriented and I wouldn't mind at all having these techniques mastered in case I ever had the opportunity to execute them. Very unlikely to see this work in the ring though. After fighters have squared off at least 90% of surprise is gone and Muay Thai is king of the ring.
These guys never practiced any of these techniques against anyone who uses these techniques in full contact fighting or who have at least 1 year wrestling training. This will not work against a trained Muay Thai fighter, MMA fighter, grappler, wrestler, etc. I don't think they guys even spar. But, perhaps against a novice, this technique may work simply as an unexpected move
So many wrong presumptions about our practice
***** here's a link
The roundhouse kick (mawashi) - Ernesto Hoost in Akban
in it is Ernesto Hoost, Mr. perfect, teaching a seminar in AKBAN. maybe this can serve as a clue that we are know our MT.
Respectfully
I know a few trained Muay thai fighters. They always get me in this clinch. Will be good to try something rather than just getting thrown. Respect.
AKBAN Nice video, as a Muay Thai instructor and competitor it is refreshing to see positions analysed by other perspectives. Your entry and clinch loosening is similar to some Thai techniques, and your applications of throws and upper body manipulations are worth exploring. Thanks for sharing! (for those who doubt another arts effectiveness, nobody thought Judo was good vs wrestling, MT or MMA until Rhonda Rousey came along.)
Ray White Thanks. You are one of the only guys commenting who actually show some sense.
Many of us are experienced MT practitioners too and we check our techniques with the top instructors in the world The roundhouse kick (mawashi) - Ernesto Hoost in Akban
How would you deal with the incoming barrage of knees though, because I seem to remember thats the immediate follow up of a clinch in MT
I think it depends on who is clinching you. At least you have some options with this technique. I gonna try this at my BJJ class tonight.
Sydney
Cut the knee (like cutting a kick) or sink down and scoop it if you can. If not, take the one knee on the muscles of your abs by turning then pick the ankle as the leg is retracting
Position (escape the clinch) before submission (hit, throw or break)
Some interesting ideas. I love the combination of judo with MuayThai. Judo offers some options outside the rules of Muay Thai that people typically may not expect so it makes the clinch game much deeper and complete.I will explore some of these with my students.
Practice safely and keep on training
You hit it on the mark!
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Everyone in this thread should go back and watch the Anderson Silvia Rich Franklin fight .Train against those moves Silvia is using and then you will have a better clinch defense using this move! People who know the clinch will move like this!
Inventive concept and design of clinch, excellent technically application. Great Sensei!
Thanks Joe
Yep, thanks. Why not actually.
My instructor spent years doing MT and the solutions he learned influenced his Ninjutsu. The beginning technique of opening the clinch from below is borrowed, with full credits, from Muai Thai
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Ninjutsu is technically more of an umbrella term used for different styles favoured by Japanese assassins (who were often trained in ways similar to the samurai). Ninjutsu involves weapons, striking attacks and elements of jiu-jitsu. You'll also see similarities to karate and other Japanese martial arts styles.
For the record, I saw a video where Anderson Silva gave part of a seminar and brought up a grappling counter to the clinch similar to the ones shown in this vid. He said something like, "And this one for my friends who are great grapplers."
Yep, The beginning release is from MT. A lot of guys get fired up for nothing here.
+Richard Harrow Everyone in this thread should go back and watch the Anderson Silvia Rich Franklin fight .Train against those moves or the move simply will not work!
As the moderator of the AKBAN RUclips channel, I can say at least one thing, I read you
I love this ❤️ style practical and application for real life.
Exactly. Thanks!
its the fighters, and not the system. Ninjitsu is very good martial arts and is amazing, I myself train in karate, kickboxing, muay thai, freestyle, bjj, grappling, etc etc and Ive taken a ninjitsu seminar and I know it's freaking awesome. Again, its the fighter and not the system.
The technique to open the clinch is Muai Thai. The reason the clinch is loose is so that you can pick inside
Yossi! This is great work!! Well communicated, excellent video quality. Thank you!
I like this in concept, but it depends on a lot of "ifs" or assumptions on what the opponent will do for it to work.
What I'm saying is you'd either have to be exceptionally aware of your opponents bodily positions or to have practiced in the dojo for decades to be able to pull this off. There are more brutal and barbaric ways to end a clinch in a truly dangerous situation which would be more ideal for those who aren't 'masters'.
***** I never claimed either. Was clearly discussing more ideal choices for those who aren't as experienced as those people you suggested. Without the experience you're far less likely to be able to use these techniques in a combat situation, so I was suggesting it might be better to do something with more chance of causing quick, brutal damage. Unless you train in these movements constantly they won't come naturally and will be a conscious choice, which will distract you from the key objective; doing whatever you can to defeat your opponent and get to safety.
"you'd either have to be exceptionally aware of your opponents bodily positions or to have practiced in the dojo for decades to be able to pull this off", "which would be more ideal for those who aren't 'masters'".
Don't be so defensive over apparent attacks to your ego or style(?) Nobody can cause you more harm than your own unguarded thoughts. I hope you know that the majority of martial masters do not think as you have just spoken.
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My instructor, Yossi, always says he learned his English from Arnold Schwarzenegger :)
That's pretty speculative given that Ninjitsu is simply a composite of fighting techniques; which could include Thai boxing.
I will never diss a martial art as long it is practical. Again nice vid.
Since we all have been and still do train in Muai Thai, you can be sure we are aware of the devastating techniques MT has inside the clinch.
Search youtube for "Hoost in AKBAN" ...
I beg to differ, Sir, and this short conversation between us is the proof.
Keep training, my friend
I've found that MT fighters win primarily based on their physical conditioning and training regimen. You take 100 muay thai fighters and line them up with 100 TKD/Karate/judo guys and you will see a massive difference in muscularity, fat percentages, cardio, ability to withstand punishment, etc.
In sparring they are relentless adversaries and are extremely difficult to throw since they allow throws in their fighting style. Once on the ground however...
Looks simple and effective
Moderator here. All of AKBAN veterans are Muai Thai practitioners too. This is not a fight, this is a tutorial.
Try these techniques before showing disrespect
I agree that a better way to counter the clinch would be to learn and use the thai clinch counters of thai boxing itself. They have been designed to work (hopefully, as being in the clinch is not good and getting out can be tough) with constantly resisting skilled fighters. Applying street tactics when possible and effective as well.
All depends on the two fighters involved, as always. As a fun fact, not everyone advertises their style in a fight.
I allways get amazed by your videos...fantastic job..much Respect
Thanks Ernest!
Channel moderator here. We all do Muai Thai.
With respect
Sir, we, at AKBAN, reserve the right to not answer anyone whose respect and manners are below those of a child in our dojo.
Use the moves when they can be these are few of the thousands of possibilities of fighting movements
Sure thing, Thanks for the kind words. I'll tell my instructor.
Keep training my friend.
BTW the clinch hold is on the back of the head, not the back of the neck.
I've fought leitai. I used the clinch to stop strikes and do my own damage on the leitai many times. I won an entire round only using a "clinch and throw" strategy. You know where I got my clinch game from? Hung Gar. The pressure to the neck; the elbows to the face; the destroying of posture; the stealing steps; the knees; the throws... yeah... it's all there. Most important thing about clinching is to keep your opponent off balance. If you don't do that, they can counter. Feel their counter.
Beautiful and informative demonstration. Thank you.
Just wondering if I see technichal absorbtion from Krav Maga, Systema, and Silat in what you're doing? Thanks, great video's.
Thanks for the good words. I did not learn any of these martial arts, but still there might be some similarities or Convergent evolution.
great video,I have the following question tho:in judo I am not allowed to to uppercut the side of the body from the half clinch,would you be so kind to suggest another effective way to get out of the "his-elbow-on-my-chest-is-preventing-me-from-doing-techniques" situation?besides maybe poking my opponent with a thumb:o
Thank you in advance
Well, that's like saying to someone playing soccer "run after your ball while i go buy ten in the store". Not everything needs to be the best practical sollution, but one can still enjoy the training. In a self-defense situation, even a MMA world champ would be limited if whoever attacks him/her pulls a knife, a bat, a gun, or whatever..
Thanks for your perspective here,
Tony,
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You're 100% right, but I was specificly talking about MMA because he was.
Just my opinion......The best thing here is to push forward the clinch to reduce the space even more and break the balance point of the muay thai fighter. By staying there and do a technique with more than 1 movement, for sure you will receive a knee to the body or the face.
Thank you my friend,
I'll tell this to my instructor. If you can, please share this also online.
Keep training.
With respect, this collection of throws starts by opening the clinch with the oposite hand from below.
This full clinch release is a Muai Thai technique that my instructor uses as a prologue for all the other throws, he always emphasizes the superiority of MT in striking.
So, maybe this technique will not work, the opponent will do many things, you are right, but the technique at it's core is a Muai Thai technique so I believe these MT fighters know what they are doing, my friend.
There's so much more to the Muay Thai clinch game than the standard plum..and knees. And it happens fast once control has been established.
I think it's important for viewers to understand that the instructor is going over one of many possibilities. He never claimed this will work perfectly in all scenarios. If he tried to cover everything that could possibly happen, the video would be at least a month long. This kata, like any training in ninjutsu, is a fight scenario that's meant to be tried out and played with. It's a starting point, not an end all.
Again, all depends on where the elbow is. If it's in collar position, that will be somewhat difficult unless you somehow break or release the clinch.
Still, whatever you can get in is what I say.
1. This is not against Muay Thai, this is a technique against MT clinch
2. He did MT for many years
3. This is a tutorial of a MT release, the only thing my instructor added are the throws at the end.
Hmmm, Sir, two things:
1. You can search RUclips for "AKBAN gun seminar" to see that we live in a wider, very combat oriented perspective.
2. The "anti clinch" technique is actually borrowed from Muai Thai. It works in certain situations and in others it does not work. If the opponent knows the technique you are aiming too it will most certainly will make it very hard to execute the techniques.
As is the case with many martial arts techniques.
This is not a MT clinch. You do not 'grab the neck' as you said. You grab high a top of the opponents head and yank down (when done by someone who knows what there doing its extremely uncomfortable and cause a lot of strain on the neck), and the forearms will be squeezed together tightly you wont be able to slip your hands threw (as in the video the forearms were wide apart leaving a gap to easily slip into).
awesome well that shows us all the standards that are reflected in the qualification process of this style.
also, we found that sparring leads to elevating only the best athletes, unrealistically high skills, unrealistically high risk of getting hit repeatedly w/ the safety of gloves, padding, restricting the outlawed techniques that would seriously injure the opp, which is our objective
Depends. If the clinch is tight and the elbow is in your chest, you might not be able to.
It doesnt make the vid of the techniques bad, but indeed, the clinch shown is not a proper muaythai clinch. I think the most important point not mentioned by combuzzll, is that the fingertips should touch the top of the head, creating leverage thus making it almost impossible to keep posture. Makes countering it more realistic. :)
Hi, I am the AKBAN RUclips channel moderator, My name is David.
As you can guess I am from Israel and like most AKBAN guys I have been doing mainly Ninjutsu, but also MT and Judo
these techinques are brilllant but a lot wont work against a thai clinch. When i go into a clinch, number 1 would be getting my forearms in his arm to control him so i dont get elbowed.
@ 3:43 is a textbook example of what thai fighters look for in a clinch. trust me, i learnt it the hard way
These guys never practiced any of these techniques against anyone who uses these techniques in full contact fighting or who have at least 1 year wrestling training. This will not work against a trained Muay Thai fighter, MMA fighter, grappler, wrestler, etc. I don't think they guys even spar. But, perhaps against a novice, this technique may work simply as an unexpected move.
MartialArtsFan72 stupidity and lack of research Muai Thai timing techniques for Ninjutsu - Ernesto Hoost in Akban since we have been to Thailand and learned from the best MT teachers on this planet, we find your disrespect problematic.
BTW, the opening move of releasing the clinch is standard high level MT.
that wasn't a Thai clinch that looks like a day 1 learning to clinch. That's not even a beginner clinch escape. First you have to get your hips in close an stand as straight up as possible arms blocking knees until your hips are, while your doing this you straighten your neck while trapping the arms, clap grip on forearm in crux of the elbows to prevent elbows. After that you have lots of options "swim" I'm for your own clinch, outside elbow push, throw an elbow coming over then down at a 45 degree. Please remake this video with a MT fighter so we can see it done properly. I'm not saying it isn't a good tech but in this video you can't tell.
Dude... Please don't introduce logic, common sense or real experience in this comment section. The fuck is wrong with you? People are trying to live out their fantasies, not to learn how to defend themselves.
What do you mean "this is what thai fighters look for in a clinch"? Everybody knows that when you get in a clinch you just stand there and lightly hold your opponent so he doesn't fall down. It's not like I'm gonna look for an opening to connect my elbow with your jaw line, or try to knee the fuck out of your rib cage or chin... or legs... or liver... or knock your air out...
Please, leave real life knowledge out of this. Thank you.
i respectfully doubt the validity of the shown techniques as well. but i have to admit this might be one of the best answers i ever read on youtube.
I did not explain myself correctly, sorry. The clinch here is loose so you can see inside for the tutorial.
You are right, the clinch should be tight
Great instructional video! Thank you!
nice demonstration, do you have a video demonstration against low kicks as well?
Where did you study Muay Thai? I'm trained through Ajarn Chai and we do not clinch like this at all. We always grab them by the back of the neck, pull them in, clench, and then our heads are essentially side by side with our head resting against the clinch. The only way to escape is with a throw, clinch reversal, or popping the elbows. The head is completely trapped at the neck. This also allows us to easily sway them back and forth.
Not gonna lie im a grappler, BJJ, and I like his tai toshi setup its pretty sweet I might have to try that
I lol'd hard at that 1:09 . "For doing things or techniques".
They practice these movements when sparring as well and if you practice a certain grab long enough you will be able to do it quicker until you can finally pull it off against non suspecting people on the street.
These videos are very interesting to watch.
I like the skirt xD
Do not forget that when in a clinch with a Muay Thai pro you will receive knees to the liver and head. So I would like to see your same approuch against studendts of Sidyodtong or Lucien Carbin. (the clinch master). These guys train the clinch every day. I would say the best defense against a MT clinch is a MT clinch takeover.
gotta watch out for the in clinch elbows too, thats what makes punching someone with a full clinch dangerous
Thai clinches tend to be slightly closer to the head than the base of the neck, and tend to pull down and in with the wrestlers elbow effect(which you mentioned) besides the grabbing point of the clinch, very good video. Interesting technique. :)
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