I remember years ago a good friend of mine who happens to be a pro, said play off the Reds. You see the course differently and you don’t always fall into ‘oh I know what club it is from here!’ He never said it was easier either! Good video. Thanks.
I did not mange myself very well. Why I took driver off the 3rd I have no idea. I read an article years ago and it said the water is still wet, the bunkers are still in the way and the hole didn't get any bigger if you played forward. Cheers
I've been playing from the short tees for over a year now. It has given me the opportunity to enjoy my golf much more. I only hit 200 yards with my driver. In my 70's. Age not score. 😅
Very much like my friend for distance off the tee. Got to have a decent short game as you use it so much. I remember 25 years ago playing with guys in their 70's who gave me an education round the greens. I could watch them all day. A friend of my Dad's was a member of a short 4750 par 67 course and he beat his age one time. I wonder if I will get the chance to copy him. It's not an easy course despite being short. I've done 2 videos on this channel about the course. Best of luck and keep playing. Cheers
Great episode Simon, just shows shorter does not necessarily mean easier. Would be great to see more reds graded to keep more senior players enjoy the game.
Especially when you don't use your brain like I did on a few holes. The assessments are coming, just not enough staff to do them all. I had no idea we had so many courses. No wonder it's taking time. Cheers Lee
The key word is ENJOYMENT. I am over 80 years old & my average drive ,total distance is about 150 yards. Playing off the red tees saves struggling to score less than 100. Handicap 26.
@@alangoudie2299 Just what I observe on holiday. The old guys go forward, get a reasonable score and enjoy the day. Plus a quicker round. Once I get past about 3 hours 30 I start to stiffen up a bit. Playing short is ideal. Over 80. Not sure I will get that far. A quick question. Have you changed your driver over the years? I mean, going from 10.5 to a 12.5 driver. If so, has that helped?
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Interesting as always Simon! As I've probably told you before, this year, my worst competition round was from our red tees as I was completely done-in by teeing off closer to the green! So I hit driver when I should have hit 3-wood and 3-wood when I should have hit hybrid. I then found it hard to correctly club the next shot as I was "out of position", resulting in a pigs ear of "too short or too long"! Never again! Scarred for life!!!!
I messed up a couple of times. Although on 2 I thought I had hit a gem and it just scooted across the fairway. I should of known better and used my brain a bit better. Hard to be positive though when the ball is jumping all over the greens. Job has to be done though, can't complain. I might do it again somewhere else if the course is assessed. Simon
Tried playing off the reds at a fun comp yesterday (71 years old and only a few weeks after a hip replacement and officially rated as disabled) two of the people playing said if I was playing off the reds then they weren’t bothering. I kindly volunteered to drop out,,,, Did I hell ! I proudly stepped up on the reds and wished the two of them a fond farewell 😂
Brillaint Paul, hope your recovery goes well. I really don't listen to people about what tees I play. Eveywhere I go I play the middle tees, mostly because the back tees are competition only - no casual rounds. But even if I could why would I ruin my day out with an awful score? I'm not Scottie so I don't need to play his tees. You did the right thing and they missed out. Silly.
Hey, Simon; greetings from sunny Tucson, AZ! Here in the States, the ladies don't really get much of a break in that the red tees are rarely more than 5-10 yards forward of the mens' tees, so GIRs are a rare occurrence for them. Hardly seems fair.
Hello Sean, I've played a lot of mixed golf over the years with Ladies older than myself. They can't even reach some fairways. We had a big argument with the club one time and eventually they agreed to cut 2 fairways back closer to the tee. But that's extra time. They didn't like it. The Ladies do get forgotton about. You might only have 50 (or less) in a membership of 750 so they get ignored in favour of the 3 guys who can hit it 300 yards. That's why I like Thailand, hardly any clubs are members clubs. They are run for holiday makers and ex-pats the vast majority of which are old.
In our golf society here in Spain, golfers of a certain age and ability can play off the red tees. Also with the slope system before you tee off you can tell the handicap secretary which tee you want to play from. For example if you play off 11 and you want to play from the reds you will lose 6 shots but it doesn’t always workout to your advantage. It’s a bit of fun to keep golf enjoyable but most of the time it’s Ladies off reds and guy’s off yellows.
Hi Nicted, that is exactly how the WHS should work. Over here we are a little bit behind with getting all the tees assessed. It is fun doing for social games, I don't know what I would do in a competition if I had the choice. Maybe one day I'll find out. Thanks
It's work that has to be done. Can't be avoided. I created my own problems there by not thinking very well. If anyone can tell me why I hit driver on the 3rd I'd be happy. Stupid choice!
Bryson Dechambeau had a coach when he was much younger who insisted that he play the reds and only the reds until he could consistently score in the 60's. Then he was allowed to move up to the longer tees. So he learned how to score, and then he added distance. I've always thought that was a solid game plan.
Got to agree. If you were teaching a complete beginner you would start with a 3 foot putt and get them holing 100 of those. Then move out getting longer and longer. Bryson is certainly a rather special golfer. I'm glad he has reined in the driving, I think that was only going to lead to injuries he would regret getting. Golf is a life long marathon not a 2 year sprint.
I think playing the reds makes the course different especially for your drives so you know where to land them for the next shot!! Still would like to see you do this challenge again when the greens are not punched/aerated and when you are feeling better!! The 400 yard holes usually would be par 5's or not weird that they are still par 4's there? Nice drive and birdie on the 10th!!
It was different and I did not manage myself well. Our Golf body base par on distance only and not difficulty. If it's 390 it's a par 5 for Ladies and a par 4 for men. That is set in stone.
Good video Simon ,red tees for seniors I often play the red tees when I play golf with my wife especially when we play unfamiliar courses around Chaing mai ,Thailand have seniors tees for men and not all of them are from the red tees maybe 50 percent cheers Nads
Plus of course, Nads, in Thailand much of the year your drive goes splat. I always go forward as you don't get roll. I do like the choice you get. I've never played back, perhaps I should do one time for a laugh? Cheers
Good video Simon. Our red tees dont seem to be any easier than our back tees despite being 1500 yards shorter yet I lose 3 shots. Most players lose their shots in and around the greens rather than being 30 yards further back off the tees. Hence we never play off the forward tees.
Hi David, I simply didn't think very well on some holes. Plus the greens being a bit bumpy. You do lose some shots or lose some par 5's but it was enjoyable just the same.
Î live in Austria. Here (also in Germany) pretty much all courses have four tees: 2 men's and 2 ladies'. The Austrians (and Germans) think it is a set-in-stone rule of golf that all men must play from the men's tees. Consequently, you often see old gents who hit their driver about 110 yards playing from the men's tees and always having 3 to 4 shots to the green on the even the shortest par 4's. On top of this, the Austrians seem to think that the mark of a quality course is that it is hard, even for low handicappers. Every hole is either very long or beset with water, bunkers, hedges close to the fareway and 2-tier greens, and sometimes all of the above. I am 73 and have lost some distance and play from the second "ladies tees" and usually have to explain why I do this.
We have the same sort of strict rules here too. Plus if you play forward you will get ribbed about it by your friends. For weeks probably. I know some courses that want to make the course as hard as possible for the 3 men in the club that can hit it 300 yards. All it does is make the course hard for everyone. It's a stupid ego thing. I played a wonderful course about 10 years ago. All the trouble was out of reach for ordinary golfers, it was only the very best who had to worry about it. Great design. I feel that Europe is infected by American golf design, water everywhere you don't need it. I will be playing forward more often now. Cheers
@@thehairygolfer Sorry, but I have to take issue with "infected by American course design. " I am from Chicago, where there are over 200 public courses in the greater metro area. The majority of these courses are owned by a city or a county and are designed with the average weekend golfer in mind.
@@michaelswisher8630 Thankyou. There does seem to be desire though to have that picture postcard golf course with lakes everywhere. I guess it's what you see on tv. Look at our Ryder Cup course at Celtic Manor in Wales. Covered in lakes. I'll amend it to the type of professional golf courses they build. I hope that is better. Cheers
THE REASON YOU PLAY OFF THE SHORTER TEES IS YOU HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE & WANT TO PLAY A ROUND TO SUIT YOUR AGE & ABILITY. 10 YEAR OLD CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL ON SMALLER PITCHES & HAVE SMALLER GOALS TO CATER FOR THEIR SIZE. SENIOR GOLFERS IN ENGLAND WITH LIMITED ABILITY WOULD GET A LOWER SCORE BY PLAYING HOLES WHICH ARE SHORTER.
@@michaelswisher8630 Just tell them that golf is hard, it costs money and you want to play the course as per your ability. And add, if you like, insult of choice. Mine is, you know what I'm doing, minding my own business. 😁
So the forward tees put you in places you've not played before. Then you're putting unusual lines in the green. So it's like playing a new course, which makes life just a little bit more interesting. Sorry it's going to take so long to get the course assessed. Luckily in France we have been playing to WHS a lot longer, so now I think all our courses have been assessed for all tees for all categories. I'm sure you'll find the forward tees to be an interesting challenge - just need to adjust the strategy. Then when the forward tees have been assessed for all categories you can see how different strategies can affect your results and even adjust your index. Very happy you put out this video - it should calm some of the gratuitous comments one gets from some players who dare not play the forward tees.
Hello Ian, seems most of Europe is ahead of us and you have so much choice. Best thing to come out of the WHS. I didn't think very well in that round. Not bothered about the score when the greens are being done. I will do some more reds when I get the chance. I keep forgetting I'm not 16 anymore and bits and pieces are broken and don't work very well. I don't mind what people say if I play forward, I've never been long enough to keep up with the big boys but we beat them with our short game.
It not being assessed is unfortunate indeed. Mr Bryson DeChambeau does take forward tees in the scramble match ups. But that's just shortening it all and playing from scratch. I've done this one time and it really helped to get better scores. The length challenges were way less. Pretty cool and will do again. It seemed to be alright-ish for you too. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
If the greens had been good I would of done far better. Bryson is right. Go forward and enjoy it. Water is still wet, the bunkers are still there, the hole is still the same size. Plus you get to drive it a bit straighter by using less club.
In the States, people call the red tees ladies tees, but it's just forward. Often, red and gold markers are the same, so obviously, it makes no difference if you are male or female. There is still slope and handicap.
Some of the courses on TV seem to have 5 tees. Maybe UK clubs don’t want the extra work and expense of additional mowing? Maybe they are reluctant because there isn’t the perceived need?
There is of course the expense. I'm certain some clubs simply don't want to change. There are a couple of clubs round here who built some proper winter tees. Basically little raised mounds of sand and turfed them. Good drainage base. Bet it wasn't cheap.
I wouldn't say I take pleasure in your 3 putting but it makes me feel better doing the same after our greens have also been hollow tined. Most holes played off the reds seem to me to play differently, not easier.
It happens Stuart, quite a lot really. I did not think very well in that round. Although on the 2nd that was just a guess on the tee shot, couldn't believe it had shot all the way across the fairway. We have had a lot of rain so could be easier now.
At my local course age 70+ can play from reds but use men's scoring. It takes some getting used to for club selection. PS, I'm a double diget handicap.
Good that they allow you to maove forward Charles. I didn't think very well in this video. Maybe 3 holes I could of chosen better off the tee. We live and learn. Cheers
Bryson says play the reds to feel what it’s like to make birdies. So I try to either reach or lay up at a good yardage. I’ve shot a 64 - bonkers cos I ain’t that good lol and definitely not as good as you!!
I bet you enjoyed that 64. The water was still wet, the bunkers didn't move out of the way and the hole didn't get any bigger. But you could hit less than driver off the tee if you wanted, stayed out of trouble and made a score to remember. Bryson is right. That is where the fun lies. I do it on holiday.
A bit bumpy, but the job has to be done. If it doesn't get done then the greens get very soggy in winter. My golf is not happening. I got a very nasty knee infection. It's on the mend now. Had an IV drip in the arm and now 2 weeks of tablets. Anti biotics. It is al ot better, doesn't look like a bright red football anymore. Cheers
@@Berry-fr5wj I've got the hard job now of sitting with my feet up. Just think if fate had given me an injury, torn muscle or tendon instead. I'd be out until Spring. Cheers
I've recently had a reminder I'm no longer 16. It's 55 for seniors round here. Is it 50 in America? I'm not a senior as I've never played with them. I will be forever young!
I have a friend, from a different location, who has practically quit golf because it's "too hard". He and his macho friends play blues. Whites are apparently unmanly. They get few pars.
I've seen groups play 7000+ tees as you lose face if you play forward. Enjoy that 135 in 6 hours just get the hell out of the way. I really don't understand it. They probably walk the white line down the middle of the roads for kicks!
@@thehairygolfer -- I would ask them how they keep from losing face when they can't reach par 4's in 2. Our senior friends don't have active hcps so will hybridize a course. Par 4's at 400 max is fun. Hell, they'll play ALL forward tees for a shot at low 80s. Not club players so they don't have 'face'. It's another world to many golfers.
@@danferguson2724 On Friday I'm hoping to play a traffic light round. A proper hybrid course. I've just got to pick which tees a will use on each hole. I never used to worry about long par 3's but they are becoming a bit of a bore now.
There are some long holes there for the shorter hitter. Neville came up and played the yellows with me and with his 190 yard drive it was a bit of an ask. I've got to do shot tracer on that round and get it edited. We shall see his problems. Or not. Made some remarkable pars.
@@scottthescrew £40 weekday. £45 weekend. £30 with me as a guest. It's about an hour and 10 minutes cross country depending on time of day. I'm hoping to go on sunday and tee off just after an early lunch. The course will be empty then. I've just booked 12:12
Interesting that red tees aren't assessed for men, though presumably the average senior golfer would be expected to hit about the same as non-senior women. As a low handicap you're way better than the average!
Coming next year. So many clubs in a queue waiting to be done. I guess we will catch up eventually and anyone can play from anywhere. I'm certainly not quite in the average senior golfer range just yet. Give me another 10 years.....Cheers
Hello Andrew, certainly seems that different countries do different things. And colours. If you told me you were playing golds I would think is that 7000 yards? I found it's only easy playing forward if you use your brain, which I failed to do on some holes. Note to self next time I do something similar.
@thehairygolfer it goes blue, white, gold and red here in Chicago. Gold is for seniors and is roughly 5500yds or so. I guess 7000yds would be blue. I usually play from the white but I may not for long. Lol
@@andrewquinn6634 I'm trying to think about Thailand. Reds, Yellows, Whites then you may get 2 back tees. Blue and Black, or Blue and Gold. I guess it doesn't matter the colour. Only Golf Sidekick and a group of 25 handicap South Koreans play back there. Or maybe I'll have a go on holiday for a laugh. I usually play forward as your drive goes splat.
We do seem to be stuck in the 1800's at times. Very frustrating. Some clubs wont let you play the back tees, got to keep those for competitions. Yes, but I want to practice form the back tees for the competition. What can you do? Cheers
The magic word worked last time, I hope it works again. Early doors look promising. I do think it is ridiculous that the red tees aren't rated for men. Likewise yellow and whites should be rated for women. It's only a calculation, by the time they've done the measurements which they have to do, it should be simple.
The WHS tee and slope rating system to standardize courses around the world is a good step forward. However, it still makes no sense to rate (the same set of) tees for women and men separately. The golf ball does not know what gender is smiting it. So, more specifically, the red and other tees should be rated 'scratch' for a specific range of swing or ball speeds.
Hi Gary, it seems there is a magic word. I must be careful with it. The clubs are slowly catching up. Gloucester got reassessed and they had maybe 5 members of staff and they took all day to do 3 tees. Then you wait for the result and buy new boards for the 1st tee. It's just taking time to get round them all. Plus some clubs don't want it at all. Stick in the mud sort of clubs I guess. Cheers
@@zazhou I'm not sure what the answer is for Men and Women below 80mph driver. I know Ladies who still enjoy the game with only 110 yards off the tee. I don't have an answer and i'm not sure those in charge have an answer either. They can only try to make as many people as possible happy. Cheers
@@thehairygolfer hi, yes there is probably not one system that will please all golfers. My driver speed is slightly less than 80 mph and out of ten rounds of golf I play five games off forward tees (15 handicap), four off club tees (18 handicap) and one off red tees (11 handicap) for variety of challenges and difference of hole strategy. Have a good one!
Paint the red tees green and cut the b/s, I see eighty year olds playing the longer tee's because they identify the RED tees with women, just change the color.
@@thehairygolfer Damn, I just finished explaining RED Tee,'s are associated with WOMEN, of course hit matters to men. Have you ever heard the phase,( you didn't even make it Pass the lady Tee). anyway good luck.
@@barbt.9211 It's going to be very hard to change habits of a lifetime. I'm not worried about playing forward, I don't care what people might say. I've heard the phrase - fortunately not had to take the penalty! Cheers. Actually, I now understand why you said change the colour, the penny finally dropped. Take the stigma away.
@@thehairygolfer Hi, Yes it's hard to change the way people think, I am a five handicapper, it pain me to watch golfer's take 4 or 5 shots to get to the green 400 hundred yards away, I one say he have a 9, net 7 for the hole, sometimes they take six hours to play.
@@Pavlovshouse-ud5ek Cheers. Hopefully next year I will be a member of a club close to home. That will make my life a lot easier with regard to getting cards in. See how I can really play. Cheers
@@thehairygolfer season still has some time left here (I’m in Canada) I’m 61 and have been losing club speed and distance for a while now. Technology helps but it will only take it so far. I did step up and play 9 from the reds earlier this year. My wife sure didn’t like it, she played it as a par 37 with 3 par 5’s , I played it as 36 with 2. It didn’t improve my score nearly as much as I thought it would, which made my wife happy It’s a great game, I enjoy your channel
@@Pavlovshouse-ud5ek Oh yes, Canada not far off from shutting down. It might be miserable here but at least most of the time we can keep playing weekends. Technology can help a bit but it will never cover getting older. I can still get it out there a useful distance but it's getting shorter. I feel I will need to move forward just to stand still. Thanks
I remember years ago a good friend of mine who happens to be a pro, said play off the Reds. You see the course differently and you don’t always fall into ‘oh I know what club it is from here!’ He never said it was easier either! Good video. Thanks.
I did not mange myself very well. Why I took driver off the 3rd I have no idea. I read an article years ago and it said the water is still wet, the bunkers are still in the way and the hole didn't get any bigger if you played forward. Cheers
Great vlog Simon, thank you, really enjoyed it👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻🏌🏼⛳️
It was fun despite the mistakes i made mentally. A few poor choices out there. Cheers
I've been playing from the short tees for over a year now. It has given me the opportunity to enjoy my golf much more. I only hit 200 yards with my driver. In my 70's. Age not score. 😅
Very much like my friend for distance off the tee. Got to have a decent short game as you use it so much. I remember 25 years ago playing with guys in their 70's who gave me an education round the greens. I could watch them all day. A friend of my Dad's was a member of a short 4750 par 67 course and he beat his age one time. I wonder if I will get the chance to copy him. It's not an easy course despite being short. I've done 2 videos on this channel about the course.
Best of luck and keep playing. Cheers
Great episode Simon, just shows shorter does not necessarily mean easier. Would be great to see more reds graded to keep more senior players enjoy the game.
Especially when you don't use your brain like I did on a few holes. The assessments are coming, just not enough staff to do them all. I had no idea we had so many courses. No wonder it's taking time. Cheers Lee
The key word is ENJOYMENT.
I am over 80 years old & my average drive ,total distance is about 150 yards.
Playing off the red tees saves struggling to score less than 100.
Handicap 26.
@@alangoudie2299 Just what I observe on holiday. The old guys go forward, get a reasonable score and enjoy the day. Plus a quicker round. Once I get past about 3 hours 30 I start to stiffen up a bit. Playing short is ideal.
Over 80. Not sure I will get that far. A quick question. Have you changed your driver over the years? I mean, going from 10.5 to a 12.5 driver. If so, has that helped?
Looks like my suggestion of adding the Keyword " senior" to your video, description and in the first few minutes of your video worked 👏 Looking at the stats on your last video which got 10k+ already. Well done
It's gone a little silly Carl. All those years trying to figure out what to do and you get there by accident. It's now using it wisely. Thanks
@@thehairygolfer I’ve found with my community. If you start right and have an SEO plan then it’s easier.
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Interesting as always Simon! As I've probably told you before, this year, my worst competition round was from our red tees as I was completely done-in by teeing off closer to the green! So I hit driver when I should have hit 3-wood and 3-wood when I should have hit hybrid. I then found it hard to correctly club the next shot as I was "out of position", resulting in a pigs ear of "too short or too long"! Never again! Scarred for life!!!!
I messed up a couple of times. Although on 2 I thought I had hit a gem and it just scooted across the fairway. I should of known better and used my brain a bit better. Hard to be positive though when the ball is jumping all over the greens. Job has to be done though, can't complain. I might do it again somewhere else if the course is assessed. Simon
Tried playing off the reds at a fun comp yesterday (71 years old and only a few weeks after a hip replacement and officially rated as disabled) two of the people playing said if I was playing off the reds then they weren’t bothering. I kindly volunteered to drop out,,,, Did I hell ! I proudly stepped up on the reds and wished the two of them a fond farewell 😂
Brillaint Paul, hope your recovery goes well. I really don't listen to people about what tees I play. Eveywhere I go I play the middle tees, mostly because the back tees are competition only - no casual rounds. But even if I could why would I ruin my day out with an awful score? I'm not Scottie so I don't need to play his tees. You did the right thing and they missed out. Silly.
Hey, Simon; greetings from sunny Tucson, AZ! Here in the States, the ladies don't really get much of a break in that the red tees are rarely more than 5-10 yards forward of the mens' tees, so GIRs are a rare occurrence for them. Hardly seems fair.
Hello Sean, I've played a lot of mixed golf over the years with Ladies older than myself. They can't even reach some fairways. We had a big argument with the club one time and eventually they agreed to cut 2 fairways back closer to the tee. But that's extra time. They didn't like it. The Ladies do get forgotton about. You might only have 50 (or less) in a membership of 750 so they get ignored in favour of the 3 guys who can hit it 300 yards.
That's why I like Thailand, hardly any clubs are members clubs. They are run for holiday makers and ex-pats the vast majority of which are old.
Poor course design. The courses I play in Alabama have the ladies teeing off 800 yards shorter than seniors and 1,300 yards shorter than the men's.
@@tmo4330 We're a bit backwards over here when it comes to tee choices. Maybe one day we will catch up. Thanks
In our golf society here in Spain, golfers of a certain age and ability can play off the red tees. Also with the slope system before you tee off you can tell the handicap secretary which tee you want to play from. For example if you play off 11 and you want to play from the reds you will lose 6 shots but it doesn’t always workout to your advantage. It’s a bit of fun to keep golf enjoyable but most of the time it’s Ladies off reds and guy’s off yellows.
Hi Nicted, that is exactly how the WHS should work. Over here we are a little bit behind with getting all the tees assessed. It is fun doing for social games, I don't know what I would do in a competition if I had the choice. Maybe one day I'll find out. Thanks
Thank you Simon, I think the green keeper had it in for you.
Seems that moving the tees forwards can create a host of other problems 😁😁😁
It's work that has to be done. Can't be avoided. I created my own problems there by not thinking very well. If anyone can tell me why I hit driver on the 3rd I'd be happy. Stupid choice!
I been wanting to try the Reds just to see what I would shoot.
Great video Simon! 🤙🏾
Go for it. I'll bet you and your friends could tear it up in a scramble. I see a video in your future. Cheers
@@thehairygolfer Oh yeah, great video idea 🤙🏾
@@BAD_GolfHawaii Do it.
Bryson Dechambeau had a coach when he was much younger who insisted that he play the reds and only the reds until he could consistently score in the 60's. Then he was allowed to move up to the longer tees. So he learned how to score, and then he added distance. I've always thought that was a solid game plan.
Got to agree. If you were teaching a complete beginner you would start with a 3 foot putt and get them holing 100 of those. Then move out getting longer and longer. Bryson is certainly a rather special golfer. I'm glad he has reined in the driving, I think that was only going to lead to injuries he would regret getting. Golf is a life long marathon not a 2 year sprint.
I think playing the reds makes the course different especially for your drives so you know where to land them for the next shot!! Still would like to see you do this challenge again when the greens are not punched/aerated and when you are feeling better!! The 400 yard holes usually would be par 5's or not weird that they are still par 4's there? Nice drive and birdie on the 10th!!
It was different and I did not manage myself well. Our Golf body base par on distance only and not difficulty. If it's 390 it's a par 5 for Ladies and a par 4 for men. That is set in stone.
@@thehairygolfer When Bryson plays these challenges he uses the par for those tees. I think that is what you need to do next time?
Good video Simon ,red tees for seniors I often play the red tees when I play golf with my wife especially when we play unfamiliar courses around Chaing mai ,Thailand have seniors tees for men and not all of them are from the red tees maybe 50 percent cheers Nads
Plus of course, Nads, in Thailand much of the year your drive goes splat. I always go forward as you don't get roll. I do like the choice you get. I've never played back, perhaps I should do one time for a laugh? Cheers
I definitely need to try the reds
It was a bit of fun. Certainly opened my eyes to what I will be doing in 10 years. Thanks for all the comments.
Good video Simon. Our red tees dont seem to be any easier than our back tees despite being 1500 yards shorter yet I lose 3 shots. Most players lose their shots in and around the greens rather than being 30 yards further back off the tees. Hence we never play off the forward tees.
Hi David, I simply didn't think very well on some holes. Plus the greens being a bit bumpy. You do lose some shots or lose some par 5's but it was enjoyable just the same.
Î live in Austria. Here (also in Germany) pretty much all courses have four tees: 2 men's and 2 ladies'. The Austrians (and Germans) think it is a set-in-stone rule of golf that all men must play from the men's tees. Consequently, you often see old gents who hit their driver about 110 yards playing from the men's tees and always having 3 to 4 shots to the green on the even the shortest par 4's. On top of this, the Austrians seem to think that the mark of a quality course is that it is hard, even for low handicappers. Every hole is either very long or beset with water, bunkers, hedges close to the fareway and 2-tier greens, and sometimes all of the above. I am 73 and have lost some distance and play from the second "ladies tees" and usually have to explain why I do this.
We have the same sort of strict rules here too. Plus if you play forward you will get ribbed about it by your friends. For weeks probably. I know some courses that want to make the course as hard as possible for the 3 men in the club that can hit it 300 yards. All it does is make the course hard for everyone. It's a stupid ego thing. I played a wonderful course about 10 years ago. All the trouble was out of reach for ordinary golfers, it was only the very best who had to worry about it. Great design. I feel that Europe is infected by American golf design, water everywhere you don't need it. I will be playing forward more often now. Cheers
@@thehairygolfer Sorry, but I have to take issue with "infected by American course design. " I am from Chicago, where there are over 200 public courses in the greater metro area. The majority of these courses are owned by a city or a county and are designed with the average weekend golfer in mind.
@@michaelswisher8630 Thankyou. There does seem to be desire though to have that picture postcard golf course with lakes everywhere. I guess it's what you see on tv. Look at our Ryder Cup course at Celtic Manor in Wales. Covered in lakes. I'll amend it to the type of professional golf courses they build. I hope that is better. Cheers
THE REASON YOU PLAY OFF THE SHORTER TEES IS YOU HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE & WANT TO PLAY A ROUND TO SUIT YOUR AGE & ABILITY.
10 YEAR OLD CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL ON SMALLER PITCHES & HAVE SMALLER GOALS TO CATER FOR THEIR SIZE.
SENIOR GOLFERS IN ENGLAND WITH LIMITED ABILITY WOULD GET A LOWER SCORE BY PLAYING HOLES WHICH ARE SHORTER.
@@michaelswisher8630 Just tell them that golf is hard, it costs money and you want to play the course as per your ability. And add, if you like, insult of choice. Mine is, you know what I'm doing, minding my own business. 😁
So the forward tees put you in places you've not played before. Then you're putting unusual lines in the green. So it's like playing a new course, which makes life just a little bit more interesting. Sorry it's going to take so long to get the course assessed. Luckily in France we have been playing to WHS a lot longer, so now I think all our courses have been assessed for all tees for all categories. I'm sure you'll find the forward tees to be an interesting challenge - just need to adjust the strategy. Then when the forward tees have been assessed for all categories you can see how different strategies can affect your results and even adjust your index.
Very happy you put out this video - it should calm some of the gratuitous comments one gets from some players who dare not play the forward tees.
Hello Ian, seems most of Europe is ahead of us and you have so much choice. Best thing to come out of the WHS. I didn't think very well in that round. Not bothered about the score when the greens are being done.
I will do some more reds when I get the chance. I keep forgetting I'm not 16 anymore and bits and pieces are broken and don't work very well. I don't mind what people say if I play forward, I've never been long enough to keep up with the big boys but we beat them with our short game.
It not being assessed is unfortunate indeed. Mr Bryson DeChambeau does take forward tees in the scramble match ups. But that's just shortening it all and playing from scratch. I've done this one time and it really helped to get better scores. The length challenges were way less. Pretty cool and will do again. It seemed to be alright-ish for you too. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
If the greens had been good I would of done far better. Bryson is right. Go forward and enjoy it. Water is still wet, the bunkers are still there, the hole is still the same size. Plus you get to drive it a bit straighter by using less club.
In the States, people call the red tees ladies tees, but it's just forward. Often, red and gold markers are the same, so obviously, it makes no difference if you are male or female. There is still slope and handicap.
We haven't caught up with the rest of the world yet. Some clubs don't want to. Cheers
Some of the courses on TV seem to have 5 tees. Maybe UK clubs don’t want the extra work and expense of additional mowing? Maybe they are reluctant because there isn’t the perceived need?
There is of course the expense. I'm certain some clubs simply don't want to change. There are a couple of clubs round here who built some proper winter tees. Basically little raised mounds of sand and turfed them. Good drainage base. Bet it wasn't cheap.
I wouldn't say I take pleasure in your 3 putting but it makes me feel better doing the same after our greens have also been hollow tined.
Most holes played off the reds seem to me to play differently, not easier.
It happens Stuart, quite a lot really. I did not think very well in that round. Although on the 2nd that was just a guess on the tee shot, couldn't believe it had shot all the way across the fairway. We have had a lot of rain so could be easier now.
At my local course age 70+ can play from reds but use men's scoring. It takes some getting used to for club selection. PS, I'm a double diget handicap.
Good that they allow you to maove forward Charles. I didn't think very well in this video. Maybe 3 holes I could of chosen better off the tee. We live and learn. Cheers
Bryson says play the reds to feel what it’s like to make birdies. So I try to either reach or lay up at a good yardage. I’ve shot a 64 - bonkers cos I ain’t that good lol and definitely not as good as you!!
I bet you enjoyed that 64. The water was still wet, the bunkers didn't move out of the way and the hole didn't get any bigger. But you could hit less than driver off the tee if you wanted, stayed out of trouble and made a score to remember. Bryson is right. That is where the fun lies. I do it on holiday.
What happened on the back nine? 😀
@@ianburton9223 We have a heckle! 😂😂😂😂
@@thehairygolfer I am just showing my jealous envy. I've only once got near 70 and that was on a par 68. I'm really happy for @sandon212.
@@ianburton9223exactly lol I usually shoot around 76-80 so it was a lot of fun - the eagles are the difference as the fives are really fours
Tricky old greens and the grass around the Green wasn’t helpful nice couple of birdies , how is the golf game at present ?
A bit bumpy, but the job has to be done. If it doesn't get done then the greens get very soggy in winter.
My golf is not happening. I got a very nasty knee infection. It's on the mend now. Had an IV drip in the arm and now 2 weeks of tablets. Anti biotics. It is al ot better, doesn't look like a bright red football anymore. Cheers
@@thehairygolfer Crikey ! Hope it all mends well . This year has been tough for you
@@Berry-fr5wj I've got the hard job now of sitting with my feet up. Just think if fate had given me an injury, torn muscle or tendon instead. I'd be out until Spring. Cheers
Hey! We are not seniors yet mate we're only 59 😂
I've recently had a reminder I'm no longer 16. It's 55 for seniors round here. Is it 50 in America? I'm not a senior as I've never played with them. I will be forever young!
Isn’t it over 50 for seniors? I’m 57 but still play the greys.
@@scottthescrew Depends on the country. Some are 50 and some are 55. I still play 6500 yards without problems. Yet........
I have a friend, from a different location, who has practically quit golf because it's "too hard". He and his macho friends play blues. Whites are apparently unmanly. They get few pars.
I've seen groups play 7000+ tees as you lose face if you play forward. Enjoy that 135 in 6 hours just get the hell out of the way. I really don't understand it. They probably walk the white line down the middle of the roads for kicks!
@@thehairygolfer -- I would ask them how they keep from losing face when they can't reach par 4's in 2. Our senior friends don't have active hcps so will hybridize a course. Par 4's at 400 max is fun. Hell, they'll play ALL forward tees for a shot at low 80s. Not club players so they don't have 'face'. It's another world to many golfers.
@@danferguson2724 On Friday I'm hoping to play a traffic light round. A proper hybrid course. I've just got to pick which tees a will use on each hole. I never used to worry about long par 3's but they are becoming a bit of a bore now.
That is very long course for women and seniors even from the reds.
There are some long holes there for the shorter hitter. Neville came up and played the yellows with me and with his 190 yard drive it was a bit of an ask. I've got to do shot tracer on that round and get it edited. We shall see his problems. Or not. Made some remarkable pars.
Which course is this Simon ?
It's The Herefordshire. A bit out of the way but worth the drive.
@@thehairygolfer is it expensive to play? I’ve just upgraded my membership to the Spa course at Brickhampton.
@@scottthescrew £40 weekday. £45 weekend. £30 with me as a guest. It's about an hour and 10 minutes cross country depending on time of day. I'm hoping to go on sunday and tee off just after an early lunch. The course will be empty then. I've just booked 12:12
Interesting that red tees aren't assessed for men, though presumably the average senior golfer would be expected to hit about the same as non-senior women. As a low handicap you're way better than the average!
Coming next year. So many clubs in a queue waiting to be done. I guess we will catch up eventually and anyone can play from anywhere. I'm certainly not quite in the average senior golfer range just yet. Give me another 10 years.....Cheers
To my knowledge, here in the states none of the red tees are rated for men. The gold tees seem to be a club back from the reds.
Hello Andrew, certainly seems that different countries do different things. And colours. If you told me you were playing golds I would think is that 7000 yards? I found it's only easy playing forward if you use your brain, which I failed to do on some holes. Note to self next time I do something similar.
@thehairygolfer it goes blue, white, gold and red here in Chicago. Gold is for seniors and is roughly 5500yds or so. I guess 7000yds would be blue. I usually play from the white but I may not for long. Lol
@@andrewquinn6634 I'm trying to think about Thailand. Reds, Yellows, Whites then you may get 2 back tees. Blue and Black, or Blue and Gold. I guess it doesn't matter the colour. Only Golf Sidekick and a group of 25 handicap South Koreans play back there. Or maybe I'll have a go on holiday for a laugh. I usually play forward as your drive goes splat.
@@thehairygolfer 200yd drive is about all I can get these days.
@@andrewquinn6634 Can't hit it far enough to lose it. I think my Dad said something like that.
Most golfers do not see a "reduced score" of any significance when going up a tee. Fact.
Well you have to think better which I failed to do on a few tees. Had the greens been normal I would of reduced my normal score this year.
What an odd place you play in. I play whatever tees get me around 5500 - 6000 yards.
We do seem to be stuck in the 1800's at times. Very frustrating. Some clubs wont let you play the back tees, got to keep those for competitions. Yes, but I want to practice form the back tees for the competition. What can you do? Cheers
The magic word worked last time, I hope it works again. Early doors look promising.
I do think it is ridiculous that the red tees aren't rated for men.
Likewise yellow and whites should be rated for women. It's only a calculation, by the time they've done the measurements which they have to do, it should be simple.
Exactly
The WHS tee and slope rating system to standardize courses around the world is a good step forward. However, it still makes no sense to rate (the same set of) tees for women and men separately. The golf ball does not know what gender is smiting it. So, more specifically, the red and other tees should be rated 'scratch' for a specific range of swing or ball speeds.
Hi Gary, it seems there is a magic word. I must be careful with it. The clubs are slowly catching up. Gloucester got reassessed and they had maybe 5 members of staff and they took all day to do 3 tees. Then you wait for the result and buy new boards for the 1st tee. It's just taking time to get round them all. Plus some clubs don't want it at all. Stick in the mud sort of clubs I guess. Cheers
@@zazhou I'm not sure what the answer is for Men and Women below 80mph driver. I know Ladies who still enjoy the game with only 110 yards off the tee. I don't have an answer and i'm not sure those in charge have an answer either. They can only try to make as many people as possible happy. Cheers
@@thehairygolfer hi, yes there is probably not one system that will please all golfers. My driver speed is slightly less than 80 mph and out of ten rounds of golf I play five games off forward tees (15 handicap), four off club tees (18 handicap) and one off red tees (11 handicap) for variety of challenges and difference of hole strategy. Have a good one!
Paint the red tees green and cut the b/s, I see eighty year olds playing the longer tee's because they identify the RED tees with women, just change the color.
Does the colour matter?
@@thehairygolfer Damn, I just finished explaining RED Tee,'s are associated with WOMEN, of course hit matters to men.
Have you ever heard the phase,( you didn't even make it
Pass the lady Tee). anyway good luck.
@@barbt.9211 It's going to be very hard to change habits of a lifetime. I'm not worried about playing forward, I don't care what people might say. I've heard the phrase - fortunately not had to take the penalty! Cheers. Actually, I now understand why you said change the colour, the penny finally dropped. Take the stigma away.
@@thehairygolfer Hi, Yes it's hard to change the way people think,
I am a five handicapper, it pain me to watch golfer's take 4 or 5 shots to get to the green 400 hundred yards away, I one say he have a 9, net 7 for the hole, sometimes they take six hours to play.
@@barbt.9211 Where is the joy in that? But hey, they got to see ALL of the course.
Who cares, if they are rated or not. go out and shoot the best score you can, if you can’t figure out the par of a hole, maybe just give up the game.
If they are not rated you can't put a card in. Just a thought. But they will be when the EGU catch up. Then I can.
@@thehairygolfer fair enough, enjoy your game.
@@Pavlovshouse-ud5ek Cheers. Hopefully next year I will be a member of a club close to home. That will make my life a lot easier with regard to getting cards in. See how I can really play. Cheers
@@thehairygolfer season still has some time left here (I’m in Canada) I’m 61 and have been losing club speed and distance for a while now. Technology helps but it will only take it so far. I did step up and play 9 from the reds earlier this year. My wife sure didn’t like it, she played it as a par 37 with 3 par 5’s , I played it as 36 with 2. It didn’t improve my score nearly as much as I thought it would, which made my wife happy
It’s a great game, I enjoy your channel
@@Pavlovshouse-ud5ek Oh yes, Canada not far off from shutting down. It might be miserable here but at least most of the time we can keep playing weekends. Technology can help a bit but it will never cover getting older. I can still get it out there a useful distance but it's getting shorter. I feel I will need to move forward just to stand still. Thanks