I think you missed a key detail, the Yellow Rabbit recognizes William and/or Henry in their photo, tying the Yellow Rabbit to William more than the mci kids imo
I really like the idea that Oswald, in one way or another, is possessing Foxy and is forgetting who he is. After all, the dead do forget, and the "Who Am I?" ending leaves us with a character who has no idea who they are and stops in front of Pirate's Cove before showing the blue "possessed eyes". Foxy isn't ever shown besides his mask and a mention of his absence from a child and despite exploring tons of terrifying places, Oswald refuses to look behind the curtain of Pirate's Cove. I'm sure there's tons more evidence, but I think there's something there
also it recontextualizes the beginning with oswald talking about how "alot of things in this town are dead" personally i don't believe the foxy theory, but it's interesting regardless.
@@Sucatafnaf Fritz is the kid possessing Foxy in the main timeline. All the other missing kids are different here, so I don't see why Foxy being one too would be a problem.
We have seen 2 ghost kids when running away to SpringBonnie in night 2(on matpat vid). I'm just wondering who they were possessing and where's the other ghost kid
I also like that in that ending, the order in which the other animatronics are lined up is the way you save the kids/find them in the story. But then again we do see ghost kids. Or maybe theyre alive. 🤔
Animals have always had a better time knowing when something isn't right with the owner. It's literally a trope/cliche in bodysnatch movies that people's pets suddenly don't like their "owners" anymore. Also the rabbit isn't ethereal, in everyone else's eyes Oswald's dad is just stomping around the house like a maniac.
you know what's really odd? that Oswald draws Fazbear characters at the very beginning of the prologue despite the fact he admittedly never met them - he even didn't know who and what Fazbear's is.
@@phoneguy4637I think if it was a plot hole, the devs wouldn’t have had Oswald call it out yk? he says “these look like the characters I draw” and I don’t think he would call that out if it was an accident
Another hallucination I don't see people mentioning is that his house slowly starts decaying. You'd assume that if it was real, Oswald's mom would mention it
I think the ball pit is definitely time traveling in the game, and I think one of the kids you play games with and save, is your dad. The constant mentions of "Back to the Future" and your dad being replaced while he is still in the past. Oswald is living in a limbo of if he will or won't exist, cause if he cant save his dad in the past he risks non existence. Just like in Back to the Future.
If there was a single bone I wish scott would throw the community. . . it would be for him to number his universes and stating which universe each entry (book, game, movie, video) takes place in. Where the universe number is part of the marketing and item description. "Set in the Silver Universe" would be written on the back cover of the silvereyes trilogy. It would be sooo much more fun to theorize. . . if each universe had seporate secrets to uncover. Cause as it stands now, we are only trying to solve the "main game" universe where everything else only exists as supporting evidence rather than their own thing. I'm not stating that's how things actually are, rather just that this is how we are treating them. Fixing the branding would go a long way to fix that. Number your universes scott and tell us which takes place in what universe. Please. I begging.
@@sydney2942 Nah, we don't need that. I think that much is a cop-out to cover his tracks for whenever old lore doesn't stack up. It's an excuse of "unreliable narrator" with every game entry in case scott messes up with the lore. I just want scott to handle universe indexing the same way marvel indexes it's multiverses.
I do find your interpretation very interesting, there is one thing I want to point out which is that both the game and the short story show us the yellow rabbit is a real suit, in the original story, after Oswald "kills" the Yellow rabbit, it suddenly decays becoming old and rotten and just going lip, almost like the agony hallucinations or memories are showing how the rabbit used to look like and when Oswald "kills him" the hallucination disappears and it shows the suit as it really is. The game is similar in that Jeff finds the suit still sitting there even after Oswald and his dad leave, although admittedly the suit isn't rotting like it is in the original story
If Into The Pit was the starting point for the Mega Cat set of games which will be adaptations of the Fazbear Frights series then we could be in for the best sub series in the whole franchise
@@Yassine-W Perhaps once their Fazbear Frights series is over Mega Cat will release like a collection of all their Fazbear Frights games in one package alongside maybe a peak at all the cut content from their games plus maybe some scrapped ideas
Things I think. 1. If into the pit becomes canon to the mainline games then it’s possible that the other books will also become canon but they might tinker tweak and few things for them to make better sense in order to be connected to the mainline games. 2. Maybe the into the pit game is a in universe game made by fazbear entertainment along with the other fazbear frights stories, since the game is 2d pixel art it would make sense. 3. The into the pit game might be set in a 2nd fnaf game universe where the books are canon.
so i discovered two things in the game that might add to the story that i haven't seen anyone talk about yet. The first is when you repair each arcade cabinet and boot it up for the first time you get the same message at the end in Binary. which translates to "Always Watching". I'm not sure who is watching, if maybe its the stitch wraith and that's why he is in the game watching you? the second being if you call jeffs pizza enough times you will get his voice mail and at the end it sounds as if he gets unalived by the yellow rabit, also this works to make noise in the game if you are playing on a difficulty that doesn't have noise makers available and calls the rabbit to you.
On the idea of William researching immortality because he's scared of death: YES. This idea has been my headcanon for a while. The way I was thinking it was that his fear for death was developed after the death of the crying child or Elizabeth. After that, he feels powerless and scared, so he kills charlie to kind of take control over his life again. I also like to believe that the main reason William stays alive is how strong his fear of death is, like the idea that UCN is partly caused because William fears hell so much that in trying to avoid it he created his own
I think Oswald's likely severe lack of sleep, and the stress of the situation, caused him to see shit in day time. Source: had lack of sleep hallucinations ad paranoia as a teen
In 100,000 point ending it does say that you "tear off the moe headset" now it only says you do that once so there is a possibility that the character is stuck inside the moe, but combined with the description of feeling the moe headset after entering the moe simulation; i think it's nore simply the extra work good ending of the story
I saw a really interesting short theory on RUclips that suggested that Oswald's dad is Sammy, Charlie's brother from the book trilogy. You get the photo of William and Henry after collecting all of the Dad items so that suggests a connection. And the only possible character who is related to either William or Henry and would be both alive and not ancient would be Sammy. Especially since Oswald's grandma is mentioned, but grandpa is never shown. If Henry took the fall for William in the MCI and went to jail, it would make sense that his one surviving child would want nothing to do with him. But of course, that's a lot of assumptions. Who knows if this game is even gonna be canon for the main timeline anyway. Either way, it's an idea I really like and one I'm gonna stick with, at least until we learn more. The theory was by Alena Woodlands if anyone wants to check it out! She explains it much better than me
22:40 I LOVE this theory. It makes it make sense; the kids we "rescue" are already dead, as the corpses aren't there after the first night, and the Yellow rabbit is their agony creating a monster how they saw him (or honestly it could be William's agony, too, since we can hear his labored breathing). But agony is a ghostly virus, and it infects Oswald's dad and threatens to drown Oswald in the pit. The agony explanation also gives reason for why Oswald is drawing FNAF characters; he's in the pizaria too much and they're giving him memories. He also sees the animatronics as horrible instantly, not fun, which would make sense if the kids were stuffed into them and giving Oswald their memories.
I like the idea of the physical spring Bonnie suit being possessed by the agony. I also attributed Oz's hallucinations to him not sleeping well like he states multiple of the nights. Like, he's obviously afraid of the yellow rabbit and worried about his dad, on top of that keeps having nightmares and not sleeping well, mixing with anxiety and fear causes the hallucinations to appear. But agony induced hallucinations are also totally valid. I personally really want the game to be actual time travel cause that would be sick! And I really wanted it to be part of the game's timeline, but I'm also not sure if it really is.
It does say Devon takes off the helmet, only in the ending where you are required to put on TWO helmets. So this can be interpreted as him taking off the real helmet, and the story as follows is real - or that he only takes off the virtual second helmet, and he never removes the real one because inside of the 1st MOE he is convinced he’s already out. Its so creepy and there’s really no way to prove one way or the other.
theres no way to prove it either way but i do think its far more likely and logical that he takes off the real helmet. he explicitly notes that he can feel the helmet on his head a bit after he puts it on, and, well its a real helmet, if he takes of a fake helmet he'd probably take off the real one by accident just because they share the same space
To me it’s way easier to see Into The Pit being an in-universe game than in-continuity. If I were Fazbear corp, I’d much rather portray these “rumors” of kids being killed as “6 kids were randomly killed at the same time by a monstrous creature pretending to be one of our mascots” than “one of our founders killed multiple kids over the course of a long period of time with no action taken”. Of course it has it’s problems and things that have to be ignored, but I feel like all options have problems and things that have to be ignored lmao
Yes! I was just about to type this. All this time I thought the MCI happened gradually over days / weeks, so I was getting so confused when people were referring to this single incident in the game as the MCI. But if the game is made by Fazbear corp, the misdirection makes a lot more sense, and so do all the eater eggs such as GGY on the machines.
Edit: I love the idea that youre re living the missing children's incident and helping them. It's also worth noting when he flashes in school and it says Oswald in blood, that the letters in the alphabet D E I all are altered (die) and I THINK the clock turns into a sun/moon clock?? What if we're looking at it backwards, and all of his friends and town are REALLY animatronics, and the guise starts slipping more and more as he uncovers truths. Like you said the rabbit breaks the doors down, and then suddenly in the "real world" the door is also gone. Because only so much can be masked in the illusion. The woman also said she could hear the rats. Its entirely possible you caught one of THOSE rats. I like the idea that either its an intentional illusion/agony memories, or hes coping with trauma that his father did something horrible, by playing these "time travel mind games" with himself. Or even further from him being just a kid, if hes ALREADY dead/possessing Foxy/a diff animatronic like its hinted at in the ending. First time hearing the loop theory like that, but a few thing did lean towards it. The dead possum callout for sure. But I love hearing it!
The Q&A section went crazy. Imagine if William played with fire in the Fall Fest barn (Help Wanted 1&2) and caused a massive wildfire that killed everyone there. Maybe the bear from Fredbear's singin' show was actually one of the first animatronics and William saw that it survived the fire, causing them to give him comfort in their company. Could add another layer of irony behind how William gets burned over and over and returning, adding to the irony of a fire also being what really finishes off scraptrap in the end. Basically no evidence, but a narrative I thought of while listening to RyeToast cook while I was driving.
i think the whole thing is most likely a dittophobia type of situation. oswald has memories of freddys and the animatronics despite not knowing anything about them. we see his mental state slowly decay as the nights go on. the kids at school start turning into animatronics, his house becomes more and more run down. his mom eventually stops showing up and completely disappears. he see illusions of animatronics jump scaring him more and more. the binary when you turn on each arcade machine tells you that you are being watched.
TBH,,Scott saying it got bigger than they expected could mean that Into the pit and other FF based games are supposed to be the "elaborate cover ups" tape girl talked about. Kinda like how SB got held up this could be thesame thing.
i have a tiny little theory about the "Past", i think the MCI kind of cursed the Pizzaria, the city and its heart is the ball pit, that would explain why the pizzaria is broken, but in the happy ending Jeff was able to fix it and kind of thrive, also explain the doors in the present, now this curse is the acumulation of Agony that the place has aquired and the ball pit creates the Pittrap (yeah i call him that i don't like that Willian's suit is "another Bonnie" when golden freddy was another character altogether as Fredbear, anyway that is not important), and creates the past as a memory of what the kids felt during the MCI, the MCI was not as open as the game suggest if it was William WOULD be arrested, the curse would explain the city basically in decay on the present, also, yeah Oz was not the first victim of the pit, the robot ending hard implies what happened to the other kids that entered the pit and not got out. By defeating the manifestation of Agony that is Pittrap (who is a physical being) he releases the agony on the pit and maybe relases the curse it places on the city (if happy ending). the ending where Jeff dies implies Pittrap was not defeated by that confrontation.
First of all I love the name Pittrap and also this is exactly what I was thinking! It would explain why, over the course of the game, the town and Oswald’s house decays and goes into ruin to some extent. It would also explain the even longer decay of everyone moving away, services shutting down (if you call 911 they say it isn’t even available in town anymore which is crazy) and even probably why Oswald “knows” the faces of the animatronics despite not seeing them before.
26:33 Frights Fiction is a theory that some people do believe. There is some evidence for it, but I'm not fully sold. Frights in this theory acts like Goosebumps produced by the Pizza Plex. Frights Fiction could make this game also be a in universe game, which would explain the GGY easter egg at the very least. Or alternatively, this game is in continuity and the books are mockerys of the real event similar to Help Wanted.
The big selling point for Frights Fiction to my knowledge. Was that we had a new corporate entity with no real background. They filled it in with FNAF 3's Fazbear Frights attractions owner having founded the company and continuing the selling of stories while collecting the former companies' property. Using them as a way to make quick money and distance the tragedy to make room from the former brand to make a reboot. We now know Fazbear LLC was the parent company much earlier on. So the Frights owner is not needed to reboot the franchise. Now, assuming FNAF actually did happen how phone dude did not go to jail for stealing property is another question entirely. An answer could be that he got permission or was working with Fazbear, LLC.
This is something I noticed while watching playthroughs When Oswald finds out he's back in time/when he sees the calendar it says june. And in fnaf 1 on the newspaper it says the missing children incident happened on june 26th And I mean Oswald does go back to the day of the incident. It was something cool that I noticed that I wanted to bring up somewhere.
@phoneguy4637 that's what I meant, that at the end of the game it hanging in the net is where they find it; I think it's really inconsistent with the damage on springtrap and the minigames, but it's an extremely funny thought to me
Regarding the whole Frights Fiction theory... I'm big on that. If Fazbear/Afton Robotics made games to make light of their former bad reputation, why not also make books, especially if the games were a big enough hit? I've always taken that idea for granted.
@@truegamer7760 Except it doesn't, because it has the same value as having the Scott games being indie games. Frights Fiction and Stitchline can both be true, theoretically. There's already so much handwaving and so much CYA attitude I can see them doing all of it.
I honestly hope mega cat studios or another company make more fnaf books into game adaptations. Stories that I think would make great game adaptations. Fazbear Frights. 1. To Be Beautiful 2. Count the Way 3. Fetch 4. Lonely Freddy 5. Out of Stock 6. 1:35 AM 7. Room for one more 8. The New Kid 9. Step Closer 10. Dance with me 11. Coming home 12. The man in room 1280 13. Blackbird 14. The real Jake 15. The breaking wheel 16. What we found 17. Together forever 18. Prankster 19. Your the band 10. Stitchwraith stingers epilogue Tales from the pizzaplex. 1. Frailty 2. Under Construction 3. Help Wanted 4. Happs 5. B-7 6. Somniphobia 7. Pressure 8. Cleithrophobia 9. Submechanophobia 10. Animatronic apocalypse 11. The bobbiedots 12. Ggy 13. The storyteller 14. The Bobbiedots conclusion 15. Nexie 16. Drowning 17. The mimic 18. Tiger rock 19. The Monty within 20. B7-2 21. Alone together 22. Dittophobia
around 42 minutes you talk about the MOE. You do take the headset off - but only once. Assuming you're in two layers of MOE, you do not exit it. Assuming this means you really do EXIT the MOE, you definitely escape. We know he takes it off the first time because he says the world around him starts to deteriorate and he takes the MOE off, then finds his brother Ike, so on and so forth.
I think another piece of evidence for the 'oswald is hallucinating at least partially' theory, is that during the endings where Oswald is bitten by the Yellow Rabbit in the ball pit while saving his dad, his arm seems to bleed in the moment, but there is no wound on his sprite or in the cinematic afterwards, and his father doesn't mention any wounds.
So a theory that I have been brewing between the story and the game is that it is real time travel. But not in the sense of Marty McFly going back in time. I think that as Oswald travels back and forth he is changing things in the pizza place, because the pizza place, Jeffs/Freddys, exists in a sort of time bubble due to the sheer amount of agony that is being kept in the ballpit. The theory is still rising and is not quite baked yet.
Just re-read the 'True' ending where Devon unplugs VIP and it is directly stated that after doing so the virtual Pizzaplex starts to deriotate and then Devon takes off the MOE and sees the chaos that he caused by unplugging everything. Then he goes to the security guard that you can meet in Rockstar Row and he tells you to forget about VIP and let Fazbear Entertainment deal with it.
you can't really say that the dad was the rabbit and we hallucinated him as when we get the dad out he's confused and we say that he hit hi head when oswald first went into the ballpit and he doesn't question it even though that happened 4 days ago, so that theory while interesting doesn't work as how can he believe us when he's been living with us for four days and kills us when we try and leave the house at night (really bad dad if this was the case). the hallucinations could be more easily explained to be the remnants of agony from the ballpit or oswald experiencing the memories of the kids as we see their ghosts haunting the pit.
okay so im going to posit that the bunny is a representation of the agony both oz and his dad have thats made stronger. i listened to gibi discuss ITP the story and he basically took it to a lore separate perspective where the Yellow Guy is a metaphor for alcoholism. Of course, this was just kicking around ideas but considering how agony is a lesser talked about concept...he may be onto something Oz is facing childhood depression thanks to losing his friends, losing a connection to his dad, and even losing disposable income thanks to the town dying slowly. Hes still a kid but the joys of being a kid are being taken away from him. We've all felt that sadness as adults but he gets it as a kid. The past restaurant was everything a kid could dream of...until the missing kids lost their childhood literally and figureatively. agony of children is heartbreaking and carried over even to Jeff's. His father is a lot like us. He references old things he loved as a kid, dwelling on his past and how much fun he had growing up. Now, he's married, has a son, and probably hoped to do all kinds of fun things with Oz even though...those things are gone. On top of that, Oz is carrying a lot of burdens that his dad understands but probably cant truly connect with him over because of the age difference. Plus, they're working on one income now. He's got time to spend finally but not the money. A father agonizing over being unable to truly make his son happy. And maybe the rabbit is the combination of their shared pain over childhood, a pain that is universally unique. And to everyone else, the depression doesn't look different. sometimes we're all just miserable and we can't take blinders off. Oz notices the change because the little things they used to do doesn't happen as much. This is shown in game with the mementos that you MUST pick up if you want the best ending. Oz knows how much he means to his dad and vice versa. He didn't wish to lose his dad, he just wished for an exciting summer break.
Think about it like this, if we say that FNAF 4 is an agony dream that is of Michael Afton's real past life when infected with ennard, with altered details surrounding the illusion disks torture (or whatever other thing you believe fnaf 4 to be depicting), it makes remnant/agony something then when applied to humans causes distortion type memories/dreams/hallucinations, both giving us a reason for this and a reason for that
Into The Pit would be really silly as a canonical entry in the timeline, there's just too much stuff that would have to be ignored. But if it was canon not much would change about the timeline since it's super self contained lol
Hear me out, Pit Bonnie is the Mimic, The trailer of "The Secret of the Mimic" shows a robotic clown coming out of a box similarly to how Pit Bonnie comes out of the Ball Pit. I dont believe Pit Bonnie is a real organic creature but perhaps a rogue program mimicking Aftons latest murder. also it's interesting that Into the Pit and Secret of the Mimic are announced closed together.
I really like the idea of Oswald saving the MCI kids in their purgatories. But my main issue is that (correct me if I'm wrong) there are 6 bodies in the party room and we save 5 kids. Do we not save the 6th? Are we the 6th kid? Is our dad the 6th and we do save him?
What if the fallfest was caused by William and it ended up killing a family member like one of his parents if fredbears singing show from the 40's was a family owned business that was a circus act or more likely he some how killed his wife on accident or on purpose over an argument about a kid not being his like in the vampire soap opera show from sister location
I see your Oswald becomes Foxy in one of the endings theory, and I raise you: Oswald becomes Balloon Boy. Consider this: they have the same color scheme and similar design elements (blue, yellow, red, stripes). What is balloon boy’s only purpose in fnaf 2? Crawl through the vents and steal your batteries. And what are main gameplay mechanics in Into the Pit? Crawling through vents and stealing batteries. Finally, consider the theory that Balloon boy could have been made as a lure. His voice lines are used as a noise that springtrap follows around the location in fnaf 3. And what is another main gameplay mechanic in into the pit? Creating loud noises to lure the Yellow Rabbit around. Coincidence? Almost certainly! But it is pretty funny to think about.
There is one instance that proves time travel to me, when you are being beckoned by the yellow rabbit into the backroom in the past you can place a paper plate person on the wall, which then shows up in the future world
This is the first fnaf game that I have went through and done everything, i love how decent scary it is it isn't like too horror so that the younger fans cant play it but its perfectly creepy with enough innuendo to see how horrible the premise is with the dead kids in the back and william's springlocking audio, its amazing i hope we get more from this studio
Who is Ozwald? Is he just a random kid that appeared in into the pit or is he a more special character? And where does he get the hallucinations from and why do these hallucinations start after he entered the ballpit? Also before entering he was already familiar with the animatronics..
I think its an arcade cabinet in the pizza plex, modern arcade games are longer and more story based, this could work because only the indie games were said to be in universe stories, while this could be a scary in mall arcade game based on the murders, would explain a lot
the yellow rabbit is just an identity less william afton. we know william afton to be the yellow rabbit. the children dont tie the two together. so to them the yellow rabbit it just a murderous monster. this is probably why it looks and acts so animalistic. they only see the monster and never the person in the suit.
This would make a lot of sense if not for the fact that the Yellow Rabbit reacts to the photo of William and Henry that you can find during Night 5, this creature may not be Afton but there is some semblance of him there.
24:47 wait but the golden Freddy suit always appears as a suit throughout other games, so it makes sense that it would be there. The Golden Bonnie suit on the other hand is, of course, worn. How would it be stuck at the bottom of the pit if it’s full of murder man? (genuine question all answers welcome)
It’s ABSOLUTELY directly mentioned. Devon *takes off the helmet* and looks around to see the Pizzaplex being in chaos. The problem with that though is to reach this ending, you *have* to enter MOE twice. So it’s still very much unclear whether the helmet he took off was real or just within the first layer.
I think he is foxy and just stuck in a loop. One of the endings explain that perfectly and I remember watching Marks play through and I believe that you do see several kids ghosts right next to the ball pit on one of the nights. I might be wrong but I thought one was Oz. But that’s just a theory. A GAME THEORY.
The yellow Rabbit is a good name for the all encompassing William based enemies. I am a fan of calling the enemy Pit Trap but since he replaces your dad we could also call him Trap Daddy Kappa
The only reason why I would be okay with it being a “in universe game” is if it lets 1-6 off the hook and those games are allowed to be canon since the fazbear frights games/books are what the “rogue indie developer” cooked up. Maybe that’s because I just find that twist in VR to be asinine since it invalidates the core of the series.
43:00 It actually does directly state that Devon takes out the helmet. Like it very specifically says he removes the Freddy head as the virtual pizzaplex is dissappearing around him.
The funniest thing about into the pit to me is that everyone describing it as a "time traveling ballpit" despite it technically having nothing to do with time travel. For those who didn't read the books, you aren't traveling to the past. It's agony memory. Meaning you are traveling into a memory recreation of past events. To that extent, it's closer to larping (acting in the present pretending to be in midevil times) than it is to time travel. You are in the present. . . and are jumping into a "dream*". . . that happens to be about the past. You and the dream are still in the present.
Hmm, William as Livia (classics nerds know). I can see this. He can't beg a successor to make him a deity to keep from consequences, so he has to do it himself. Neither of them cared whom they stepped on to reach their goals, but at the end, fear the "find out" part.
I doubt it's in-continuity since that would imply that there are two instances of the following: A blond character with a troubled paternal relationship enters a representation of the Fazbear hayday ending in tragedy, playing in-game games showing the past, and getting lured to a backroom by a glitchy, fleshy rabbit entity who then takes on the identity of said character's father in their mind. These instances being Into The Pit and Help Wanted (1)
I mostly have reservations about Into the Pit being canon because of what Scott said in the interview but I'm also unsure about the possible time frame. Now, this does hinge on the Stitchwraith Easter Egg being more then just a homage but out of all of them it does feel the most likely to be real so here goes. While I don't think the present is ever given a specific year the overall look and especially the technology (I don't think Oswald ever mentions their stuff being out of date due to their financial issues) it seems to be set sometime in the 2000s, very early 2010s at most. The Stitchwraith cannot be around until after FFPS if Stitchline is true but that game at the absolute earliest is set in 2015 (30 years after the MCI) assuming it happens immediately after FNAF 3. tl;dr: I think the Stitchwraith appearing in the game cannot happen because it seems to be set before the Stitchwraith could exist in the main continuity.
1.Rye - the blood from the pit is from the victims. Me - no, they did tests on 30 balls, it came back that the DNA was all 1 person at different ages of their life. So it could have been the yellow rabbit in game, but Ellanore says that she did most of the events of FF... 2.Rye - The rest of the game, the mci kids aren't in that room. Me - the rest of the game that room is not accessible, like a boarded up saferoom. So they could be there, or more likely, they are stuffed in the band animatronics... so Foxy is already taken.
I went back to count the spamming in FuhNaff's playthrough to maybe help out. Gumball Secret - FuhNaff's Into the Pit Finale (2nd video) ~ He does it twice, but the full spaming starts @3:46:33. @3:37:09 / @3:46:51 9 - Candy Candy Candy @3:37:43 / @3:47:10 21 - What else could you want? @3:38:16 Whispers are in the background? @3:38:27 / @3:48:07 47 / 48 - Can you hear them? @3:48:39 68 - Yummy! @3:50:07 80 - No biting! ~ Music begins warping... @3:50:13 84 - What did I say! @3:50:31 96 - Can you see them? ~ Minigame activates Also, Oswald has a hell of a right hook. 😳😂😂
Oswald's Dad is Not Possessed, It's The Same Identity Theft thing that Elanour Did in Her Story, PIT Trap is using That illusion Disk Tech, To appear as The Kid's Dad. (Like MegaMind's Watch!) PIT trap is Not a Hallucination Otherwise how did Not only Choke to Unconsciousness But also attack and Kill Jeff I think Ozwald's Hallucinations, are Side Effects of Being Exposed to The illusion Tech. For Too Long. And in one of The Endings, Oswald's Glowing Eyes is him Unknowingly Using illusion Tech, To Keep the The Appearance of a Normal Child. (Like How Novel Charlie found out she was a Robot.)
agony is an inaccurate term for what it is, it is dark remnant. it is just that agony is the strongest and best way to generate dark remnant because agony is the strongest human emotion. i might even go so far as to say there is no difference between "agony" and remnant. remnant+intelligence+object causes hauntings, human emotion creates remnant. agony is strongest human emotion so by gathering objects with history shrouded by agony you should have enough remnant to create a stitchwraith.
Odd stray thought, looking at VIP and Into the Pit. Oswald goes into the ballpit and plays hide and seek with Chip and Mike. He hides in a Freddy costume. In VIP a Freddy head is the MOE device. Could Oswald just be in a VR or AR mask
I've noticed that every adult reference in the game is connected to the aftons in some way. So by that, to me, his theory on Casey's dad males a lotta sense.
Something as well is that Oswald calls all of the animatronics by their animal name like the bear for freddy or the bird for chica, so oswald calling the bunny animatonic a rabbit doesnt prove it isnt springbonnie/springtrap EDIT: I dont think its actually him ofc, i just dont think that evidence can support it not being him lol
Hot take here thats not relevant but I think that Golden freddy is not relevant, in fact I dont think that Golden freddy was even supposed to be revolved around I think it was just an easter egg that the fans turned into a big thing, So I dont believe that Cassidy posseses Golden Freddy I think she posseses Balloon boy I mean Balloon boy is the demon between gateways from Earth and Hell so the phrase “the one you should not have killed” makes sense. Idk if this is a big hot take and Im stuck on the fence on what to believe but im leading towards this. Hopefully this will be added into the next podcast comment. Also sorry if this comment was long it was fin writing it so thanks if u read it.
2 questions about the William afton theory so when you go to Jeff in the security room you see a man sitting in the dining area and when spring Bonnie comes he’s gone and left the pizza and then what about the blood coming from the suit in the good ending where he gets tangled up
Hey rhye on the bb minigame with the purple guy sprite, stans on the floor and sc tge screen and mess with the lighting WILLIAM AFTONS FACE IS IN THE BACKROUND HIDING, in binary before the arcade game starts it says always watching..
I don't think there's any ACTUAL time travel. I think this is the first FNAF game to go back to being full on fantasy rather than tiptoeing into science fiction. I think that the ENTIRE pizza place is being effected by a haunting, not just the ball pit, but the pit has the blood of the victims in/on it so it's the nexus of the haunting. That's why things happening in the "past" affect the normal pizzeria. He's traveling into a "spiritual" version of the current day pizzeria. That's why even though he hadn't even SEEN the ball pit and didn't know about Fazbears he was subconsciously drawing the animatronics. He was being affected by the haunting. The rat was probably already in the building (rats in the rundown Jeff's makes way more sense the than pristine Freddy's), the haunted version of the place just let Oz capture it. Pit Bonnie is definitely not William Afton but I think there's got to be SOMETHING of Afton in that monster. specifically because of his voice lines. They're distorted but you can make out what he's saying. All of his other lines can be dismissed as things the kids heard during the murders but two lines stand out: "Even if I don't get you now, I ALWAYS come back" and "I will make you suffer just like I did." If this IS the location of the murders then this is also the location that William Afton was springlocked years later so HIS agony could have contributed to the creation of the monster.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. If you are rescuing the kids of the MCI as you explain in this, then there is no way this is in-continuity, because two of the kids we save are Chip and Mike, and they are NOT in the games MCI. I would say it just isn't in continuity, but if they are going to make more Mega Cat games based on Fazbear Frights stories, then it kinda is it's own continuity, because with all the references to other Frights stories, the other pixel/Mega Cat games will most likely also be in the same continuity as this.
Dont know if someones already said this but thought its worth mentioning, your last point doesnt rly make sense because if he had unplugged the power strip or whatever it was and everything shut down, he'd be back in the moe area, with the now useless freddy head on, that doesn't happen so it must've all been virtual
What if William's wife died at Fall Fest 1979 and that's why we never see anything about her and that's what sets him off to start in general, then he just keeps getting his family killed one by one
We are getting a cart racer now we need a proper fighting game either 2d pixel OR fnaf world or even the more modeled security breach quality but a fighting game in general
when i first wached the playthrough i thought oswald ended up in golden freddy and also that the creature is the mimic and oswald see it as it is bc of something like the illusion disc
I think you missed a key detail, the Yellow Rabbit recognizes William and/or Henry in their photo, tying the Yellow Rabbit to William more than the mci kids imo
I really like the idea that Oswald, in one way or another, is possessing Foxy and is forgetting who he is. After all, the dead do forget, and the "Who Am I?" ending leaves us with a character who has no idea who they are and stops in front of Pirate's Cove before showing the blue "possessed eyes". Foxy isn't ever shown besides his mask and a mention of his absence from a child and despite exploring tons of terrifying places, Oswald refuses to look behind the curtain of Pirate's Cove. I'm sure there's tons more evidence, but I think there's something there
also it recontextualizes the beginning with oswald talking about how "alot of things in this town are dead" personally i don't believe the foxy theory, but it's interesting regardless.
So wtf is Fritz?
@@Sucatafnaf Fritz is the kid possessing Foxy in the main timeline. All the other missing kids are different here, so I don't see why Foxy being one too would be a problem.
We have seen 2 ghost kids when running away to SpringBonnie in night 2(on matpat vid). I'm just wondering who they were possessing and where's the other ghost kid
I also like that in that ending, the order in which the other animatronics are lined up is the way you save the kids/find them in the story. But then again we do see ghost kids. Or maybe theyre alive. 🤔
My only issue with the "Oswald is halucinating the yellow rabbit" is that if I remember correctly, the cat also reacts to him in the house
The cat knows something
Animals have always had a better time knowing when something isn't right with the owner. It's literally a trope/cliche in bodysnatch movies that people's pets suddenly don't like their "owners" anymore. Also the rabbit isn't ethereal, in everyone else's eyes Oswald's dad is just stomping around the house like a maniac.
And his dad sees the yellow rabbit to in a ending and is like “what is that thing”
the cat, the dad, the other kids, MAYBE the moms and dads that take their kids… idk
and the ending
If its the dad this whole yime yhe ending doesn't make sense
you know what's really odd? that Oswald draws Fazbear characters at the very beginning of the prologue despite the fact he admittedly never met them - he even didn't know who and what Fazbear's is.
Yep, weird thing noticed when the book came out. It’s like he has some psychic connection. Or maybe a ghost connection.
@@EpicRandomness555 no offense, of course, but I, personally, think it's just a small but nasty plot hole.
This is a weird thing, yeah. Similar things happen in the movie with Abby
@@phoneguy4637I think if it was a plot hole, the devs wouldn’t have had Oswald call it out yk? he says “these look like the characters I draw” and I don’t think he would call that out if it was an accident
@@phoneguy4637 in the book story, he also draws characters similar to Fazbear's ones before entering the pit, so it's likely not a plot hole
Another hallucination I don't see people mentioning is that his house slowly starts decaying. You'd assume that if it was real, Oswald's mom would mention it
I did not pick up on that!! Also the random jumpscares that flash very quickly near the ending of the game, needs to be explained to me 😅
That could also make it more symbolic with Oswald’s deteriorating mental state
When the game series has prominent usage of sound illusion disc's, you can never be quite sure what is a hallucination, illusion, or real
@memkakes1514 when the series has multiple methods to discredit what you saw as real there are fundemental problems.
I think the ball pit is definitely time traveling in the game, and I think one of the kids you play games with and save, is your dad.
The constant mentions of "Back to the Future" and your dad being replaced while he is still in the past. Oswald is living in a limbo of if he will or won't exist, cause if he cant save his dad in the past he risks non existence. Just like in Back to the Future.
If there was a single bone I wish scott would throw the community. . . it would be for him to number his universes and stating which universe each entry (book, game, movie, video) takes place in. Where the universe number is part of the marketing and item description. "Set in the Silver Universe" would be written on the back cover of the silvereyes trilogy.
It would be sooo much more fun to theorize. . . if each universe had seporate secrets to uncover. Cause as it stands now, we are only trying to solve the "main game" universe where everything else only exists as supporting evidence rather than their own thing. I'm not stating that's how things actually are, rather just that this is how we are treating them. Fixing the branding would go a long way to fix that.
Number your universes scott and tell us which takes place in what universe. Please. I begging.
This and also which games did the “rogue indie dev” make? Are they the games we actually play? Scott please just help us out here!
@@sydney2942 Nah, we don't need that. I think that much is a cop-out to cover his tracks for whenever old lore doesn't stack up. It's an excuse of "unreliable narrator" with every game entry in case scott messes up with the lore.
I just want scott to handle universe indexing the same way marvel indexes it's multiverses.
I do find your interpretation very interesting, there is one thing I want to point out which is that both the game and the short story show us the yellow rabbit is a real suit, in the original story, after Oswald "kills" the Yellow rabbit, it suddenly decays becoming old and rotten and just going lip, almost like the agony hallucinations or memories are showing how the rabbit used to look like and when Oswald "kills him" the hallucination disappears and it shows the suit as it really is. The game is similar in that Jeff finds the suit still sitting there even after Oswald and his dad leave, although admittedly the suit isn't rotting like it is in the original story
If Into The Pit was the starting point for the Mega Cat set of games which will be adaptations of the Fazbear Frights series then we could be in for the best sub series in the whole franchise
imagine they make an adaptation video game for every story; that would be crazy
@@Yassine-W Perhaps once their Fazbear Frights series is over Mega Cat will release like a collection of all their Fazbear Frights games in one package alongside maybe a peak at all the cut content from their games plus maybe some scrapped ideas
Things I think.
1. If into the pit becomes canon to the mainline games then it’s possible that the other books will also become canon but they might tinker tweak and few things for them to make better sense in order to be connected to the mainline games.
2. Maybe the into the pit game is a in universe game made by fazbear entertainment along with the other fazbear frights stories, since the game is 2d pixel art it would make sense.
3. The into the pit game might be set in a 2nd fnaf game universe where the books are canon.
so i discovered two things in the game that might add to the story that i haven't seen anyone talk about yet. The first is when you repair each arcade cabinet and boot it up for the first time you get the same message at the end in Binary. which translates to "Always Watching". I'm not sure who is watching, if maybe its the stitch wraith and that's why he is in the game watching you? the second being if you call jeffs pizza enough times you will get his voice mail and at the end it sounds as if he gets unalived by the yellow rabit, also this works to make noise in the game if you are playing on a difficulty that doesn't have noise makers available and calls the rabbit to you.
On the idea of William researching immortality because he's scared of death: YES. This idea has been my headcanon for a while.
The way I was thinking it was that his fear for death was developed after the death of the crying child or Elizabeth. After that, he feels powerless and scared, so he kills charlie to kind of take control over his life again. I also like to believe that the main reason William stays alive is how strong his fear of death is, like the idea that UCN is partly caused because William fears hell so much that in trying to avoid it he created his own
Kind of explains his state in the man in room 1280, he may be "alive" but is body is to broken to do anything.
I think Oswald's likely severe lack of sleep, and the stress of the situation, caused him to see shit in day time.
Source: had lack of sleep hallucinations ad paranoia as a teen
He also didn’t eat anymore after the first day
@@julias8116 oh yea, that too! I also barely ate at the time of my severe imsonia, definitely did not help
In 100,000 point ending it does say that you "tear off the moe headset"
now it only says you do that once so there is a possibility that the character is stuck inside the moe, but combined with the description of feeling the moe headset after entering the moe simulation; i think it's nore simply the extra work good ending of the story
I saw a really interesting short theory on RUclips that suggested that Oswald's dad is Sammy, Charlie's brother from the book trilogy. You get the photo of William and Henry after collecting all of the Dad items so that suggests a connection. And the only possible character who is related to either William or Henry and would be both alive and not ancient would be Sammy. Especially since Oswald's grandma is mentioned, but grandpa is never shown. If Henry took the fall for William in the MCI and went to jail, it would make sense that his one surviving child would want nothing to do with him.
But of course, that's a lot of assumptions. Who knows if this game is even gonna be canon for the main timeline anyway. Either way, it's an idea I really like and one I'm gonna stick with, at least until we learn more.
The theory was by Alena Woodlands if anyone wants to check it out! She explains it much better than me
22:40 I LOVE this theory. It makes it make sense; the kids we "rescue" are already dead, as the corpses aren't there after the first night, and the Yellow rabbit is their agony creating a monster how they saw him (or honestly it could be William's agony, too, since we can hear his labored breathing). But agony is a ghostly virus, and it infects Oswald's dad and threatens to drown Oswald in the pit. The agony explanation also gives reason for why Oswald is drawing FNAF characters; he's in the pizaria too much and they're giving him memories. He also sees the animatronics as horrible instantly, not fun, which would make sense if the kids were stuffed into them and giving Oswald their memories.
I like the idea of the physical spring Bonnie suit being possessed by the agony. I also attributed Oz's hallucinations to him not sleeping well like he states multiple of the nights. Like, he's obviously afraid of the yellow rabbit and worried about his dad, on top of that keeps having nightmares and not sleeping well, mixing with anxiety and fear causes the hallucinations to appear. But agony induced hallucinations are also totally valid. I personally really want the game to be actual time travel cause that would be sick! And I really wanted it to be part of the game's timeline, but I'm also not sure if it really is.
So.......what you're saying , is that Oswald.....is trippin balls?
It does say Devon takes off the helmet, only in the ending where you are required to put on TWO helmets. So this can be interpreted as him taking off the real helmet, and the story as follows is real - or that he only takes off the virtual second helmet, and he never removes the real one because inside of the 1st MOE he is convinced he’s already out. Its so creepy and there’s really no way to prove one way or the other.
theres no way to prove it either way but i do think its far more likely and logical that he takes off the real helmet. he explicitly notes that he can feel the helmet on his head a bit after he puts it on, and, well its a real helmet, if he takes of a fake helmet he'd probably take off the real one by accident just because they share the same space
To me it’s way easier to see Into The Pit being an in-universe game than in-continuity. If I were Fazbear corp, I’d much rather portray these “rumors” of kids being killed as “6 kids were randomly killed at the same time by a monstrous creature pretending to be one of our mascots” than “one of our founders killed multiple kids over the course of a long period of time with no action taken”. Of course it has it’s problems and things that have to be ignored, but I feel like all options have problems and things that have to be ignored lmao
Yes! I was just about to type this. All this time I thought the MCI happened gradually over days / weeks, so I was getting so confused when people were referring to this single incident in the game as the MCI. But if the game is made by Fazbear corp, the misdirection makes a lot more sense, and so do all the eater eggs such as GGY on the machines.
Edit: I love the idea that youre re living the missing children's incident and helping them.
It's also worth noting when he flashes in school and it says Oswald in blood, that the letters in the alphabet D E I all are altered (die) and I THINK the clock turns into a sun/moon clock??
What if we're looking at it backwards, and all of his friends and town are REALLY animatronics, and the guise starts slipping more and more as he uncovers truths. Like you said the rabbit breaks the doors down, and then suddenly in the "real world" the door is also gone. Because only so much can be masked in the illusion. The woman also said she could hear the rats. Its entirely possible you caught one of THOSE rats. I like the idea that either its an intentional illusion/agony memories, or hes coping with trauma that his father did something horrible, by playing these "time travel mind games" with himself.
Or even further from him being just a kid, if hes ALREADY dead/possessing Foxy/a diff animatronic like its hinted at in the ending.
First time hearing the loop theory like that, but a few thing did lean towards it. The dead possum callout for sure. But I love hearing it!
The Q&A section went crazy. Imagine if William played with fire in the Fall Fest barn (Help Wanted 1&2) and caused a massive wildfire that killed everyone there. Maybe the bear from Fredbear's singin' show was actually one of the first animatronics and William saw that it survived the fire, causing them to give him comfort in their company. Could add another layer of irony behind how William gets burned over and over and returning, adding to the irony of a fire also being what really finishes off scraptrap in the end. Basically no evidence, but a narrative I thought of while listening to RyeToast cook while I was driving.
i think the whole thing is most likely a dittophobia type of situation. oswald has memories of freddys and the animatronics despite not knowing anything about them. we see his mental state slowly decay as the nights go on. the kids at school start turning into animatronics, his house becomes more and more run down. his mom eventually stops showing up and completely disappears. he see illusions of animatronics jump scaring him more and more. the binary when you turn on each arcade machine tells you that you are being watched.
TBH,,Scott saying it got bigger than they expected could mean that Into the pit and other FF based games are supposed to be the "elaborate cover ups" tape girl talked about. Kinda like how SB got held up this could be thesame thing.
i have a tiny little theory about the "Past", i think the MCI kind of cursed the Pizzaria, the city and its heart is the ball pit, that would explain why the pizzaria is broken, but in the happy ending Jeff was able to fix it and kind of thrive, also explain the doors in the present, now this curse is the acumulation of Agony that the place has aquired and the ball pit creates the Pittrap (yeah i call him that i don't like that Willian's suit is "another Bonnie" when golden freddy was another character altogether as Fredbear, anyway that is not important), and creates the past as a memory of what the kids felt during the MCI, the MCI was not as open as the game suggest if it was William WOULD be arrested, the curse would explain the city basically in decay on the present, also, yeah Oz was not the first victim of the pit, the robot ending hard implies what happened to the other kids that entered the pit and not got out. By defeating the manifestation of Agony that is Pittrap (who is a physical being) he releases the agony on the pit and maybe relases the curse it places on the city (if happy ending). the ending where Jeff dies implies Pittrap was not defeated by that confrontation.
First of all I love the name Pittrap and also this is exactly what I was thinking! It would explain why, over the course of the game, the town and Oswald’s house decays and goes into ruin to some extent. It would also explain the even longer decay of everyone moving away, services shutting down (if you call 911 they say it isn’t even available in town anymore which is crazy) and even probably why Oswald “knows” the faces of the animatronics despite not seeing them before.
26:33 Frights Fiction is a theory that some people do believe. There is some evidence for it, but I'm not fully sold. Frights in this theory acts like Goosebumps produced by the Pizza Plex. Frights Fiction could make this game also be a in universe game, which would explain the GGY easter egg at the very least. Or alternatively, this game is in continuity and the books are mockerys of the real event similar to Help Wanted.
The big selling point for Frights Fiction to my knowledge. Was that we had a new corporate entity with no real background. They filled it in with FNAF 3's Fazbear Frights attractions owner having founded the company and continuing the selling of stories while collecting the former companies' property. Using them as a way to make quick money and distance the tragedy to make room from the former brand to make a reboot.
We now know Fazbear LLC was the parent company much earlier on. So the Frights owner is not needed to reboot the franchise. Now, assuming FNAF actually did happen how phone dude did not go to jail for stealing property is another question entirely. An answer could be that he got permission or was working with Fazbear, LLC.
This is something I noticed while watching playthroughs
When Oswald finds out he's back in time/when he sees the calendar it says june.
And in fnaf 1 on the newspaper it says the missing children incident happened on june 26th
And I mean Oswald does go back to the day of the incident. It was something cool that I noticed that I wanted to bring up somewhere.
Can't wait to get this game on Switch when it comes to the American E-Shop. It looks so fun.
I dont believe this, but the funniest lore you can draw from into the pit is the time traveling ball-pit is how they found springtrap
or they simply found it hanging in the ball pit safety net...
@phoneguy4637 that's what I meant, that at the end of the game it hanging in the net is where they find it; I think it's really inconsistent with the damage on springtrap and the minigames, but it's an extremely funny thought to me
Regarding the whole Frights Fiction theory... I'm big on that. If Fazbear/Afton Robotics made games to make light of their former bad reputation, why not also make books, especially if the games were a big enough hit? I've always taken that idea for granted.
I hate frights fiction, it makes characters such as the stichwraith worthless.
@@truegamer7760 Except it doesn't, because it has the same value as having the Scott games being indie games. Frights Fiction and Stitchline can both be true, theoretically. There's already so much handwaving and so much CYA attitude I can see them doing all of it.
@@sutarikun huh, I guess that can work. I honestly hope we get more information on jake considering how odd he is.
@@Cross_Corp64 Then what about the stitchwraith.
@@Cross_Corp64 Then why did they put so much importance on the stitchwraith, leaving the ending extremely vague.
I honestly hope mega cat studios or another company make more fnaf books into game adaptations.
Stories that I think would make great game adaptations.
Fazbear Frights.
1. To Be Beautiful
2. Count the Way
3. Fetch
4. Lonely Freddy
5. Out of Stock
6. 1:35 AM
7. Room for one more
8. The New Kid
9. Step Closer
10. Dance with me
11. Coming home
12. The man in room 1280
13. Blackbird
14. The real Jake
15. The breaking wheel
16. What we found
17. Together forever
18. Prankster
19. Your the band
10. Stitchwraith stingers epilogue
Tales from the pizzaplex.
1. Frailty
2. Under Construction
3. Help Wanted
4. Happs
5. B-7
6. Somniphobia
7. Pressure
8. Cleithrophobia
9. Submechanophobia
10. Animatronic apocalypse
11. The bobbiedots
12. Ggy
13. The storyteller
14. The Bobbiedots conclusion
15. Nexie
16. Drowning
17. The mimic
18. Tiger rock
19. The Monty within
20. B7-2
21. Alone together
22. Dittophobia
it may be just me, but Oswald's dresscode reminds me of that of Freddy Krueger.
around 42 minutes you talk about the MOE. You do take the headset off - but only once. Assuming you're in two layers of MOE, you do not exit it. Assuming this means you really do EXIT the MOE, you definitely escape.
We know he takes it off the first time because he says the world around him starts to deteriorate and he takes the MOE off, then finds his brother Ike, so on and so forth.
I think another piece of evidence for the 'oswald is hallucinating at least partially' theory, is that during the endings where Oswald is bitten by the Yellow Rabbit in the ball pit while saving his dad, his arm seems to bleed in the moment, but there is no wound on his sprite or in the cinematic afterwards, and his father doesn't mention any wounds.
So a theory that I have been brewing between the story and the game is that it is real time travel. But not in the sense of Marty McFly going back in time. I think that as Oswald travels back and forth he is changing things in the pizza place, because the pizza place, Jeffs/Freddys, exists in a sort of time bubble due to the sheer amount of agony that is being kept in the ballpit. The theory is still rising and is not quite baked yet.
1:00 I can confirm my cats do the same exact thing
My cat does it too
Ditto.
Same.
Just re-read the 'True' ending where Devon unplugs VIP and it is directly stated that after doing so the virtual Pizzaplex starts to deriotate and then Devon takes off the MOE and sees the chaos that he caused by unplugging everything. Then he goes to the security guard that you can meet in Rockstar Row and he tells you to forget about VIP and let Fazbear Entertainment deal with it.
The idea of wanting to become immortal to avoid hell is honestly so good, I hope that ends up being the motive for William Spingspeared.
you can't really say that the dad was the rabbit and we hallucinated him as when we get the dad out he's confused and we say that he hit hi head when oswald first went into the ballpit and he doesn't question it even though that happened 4 days ago, so that theory while interesting doesn't work as how can he believe us when he's been living with us for four days and kills us when we try and leave the house at night (really bad dad if this was the case). the hallucinations could be more easily explained to be the remnants of agony from the ballpit or oswald experiencing the memories of the kids as we see their ghosts haunting the pit.
You're right
okay so im going to posit that the bunny is a representation of the agony both oz and his dad have thats made stronger. i listened to gibi discuss ITP the story and he basically took it to a lore separate perspective where the Yellow Guy is a metaphor for alcoholism. Of course, this was just kicking around ideas but considering how agony is a lesser talked about concept...he may be onto something
Oz is facing childhood depression thanks to losing his friends, losing a connection to his dad, and even losing disposable income thanks to the town dying slowly. Hes still a kid but the joys of being a kid are being taken away from him. We've all felt that sadness as adults but he gets it as a kid. The past restaurant was everything a kid could dream of...until the missing kids lost their childhood literally and figureatively. agony of children is heartbreaking and carried over even to Jeff's.
His father is a lot like us. He references old things he loved as a kid, dwelling on his past and how much fun he had growing up. Now, he's married, has a son, and probably hoped to do all kinds of fun things with Oz even though...those things are gone. On top of that, Oz is carrying a lot of burdens that his dad understands but probably cant truly connect with him over because of the age difference. Plus, they're working on one income now. He's got time to spend finally but not the money. A father agonizing over being unable to truly make his son happy.
And maybe the rabbit is the combination of their shared pain over childhood, a pain that is universally unique. And to everyone else, the depression doesn't look different. sometimes we're all just miserable and we can't take blinders off. Oz notices the change because the little things they used to do doesn't happen as much. This is shown in game with the mementos that you MUST pick up if you want the best ending. Oz knows how much he means to his dad and vice versa. He didn't wish to lose his dad, he just wished for an exciting summer break.
Think about it like this, if we say that FNAF 4 is an agony dream that is of Michael Afton's real past life when infected with ennard, with altered details surrounding the illusion disks torture (or whatever other thing you believe fnaf 4 to be depicting), it makes remnant/agony something then when applied to humans causes distortion type memories/dreams/hallucinations, both giving us a reason for this and a reason for that
When you say that Michael is “infected” with ennard, do you mean before or after ennard leaves his body and hides in the sewer in the minigame?
@@gerilyn I mean currently, I’m thinking it occurred while ennard was using him as a skin suit
@@qh8079 ah makes sense thanks
Into The Pit would be really silly as a canonical entry in the timeline, there's just too much stuff that would have to be ignored. But if it was canon not much would change about the timeline since it's super self contained lol
I haven't played the game, but into the Pit could be explained as being an in-universe game produced by Fazbear Entertainment.
Immortality seeker W Afton is my favorite theory that has no proof of existence.
my cat Toast does the SAME THING. Then when she does settle I can't move a muscle or else she gets mad at me.
Hear me out, Pit Bonnie is the Mimic, The trailer of "The Secret of the Mimic" shows a robotic clown coming out of a box similarly to how Pit Bonnie comes out of the Ball Pit. I dont believe Pit Bonnie is a real organic creature but perhaps a rogue program mimicking Aftons latest murder. also it's interesting that Into the Pit and Secret of the Mimic are announced closed together.
Did you even read the books.
I really like the idea of Oswald saving the MCI kids in their purgatories. But my main issue is that (correct me if I'm wrong) there are 6 bodies in the party room and we save 5 kids. Do we not save the 6th? Are we the 6th kid? Is our dad the 6th and we do save him?
What if the fallfest was caused by William and it ended up killing a family member like one of his parents if fredbears singing show from the 40's was a family owned business that was a circus act or more likely he some how killed his wife on accident or on purpose over an argument about a kid not being his like in the vampire soap opera show from sister location
I see your Oswald becomes Foxy in one of the endings theory, and I raise you: Oswald becomes Balloon Boy.
Consider this: they have the same color scheme and similar design elements (blue, yellow, red, stripes).
What is balloon boy’s only purpose in fnaf 2? Crawl through the vents and steal your batteries. And what are main gameplay mechanics in Into the Pit? Crawling through vents and stealing batteries.
Finally, consider the theory that Balloon boy could have been made as a lure. His voice lines are used as a noise that springtrap follows around the location in fnaf 3. And what is another main gameplay mechanic in into the pit? Creating loud noises to lure the Yellow Rabbit around.
Coincidence? Almost certainly! But it is pretty funny to think about.
There is one instance that proves time travel to me, when you are being beckoned by the yellow rabbit into the backroom in the past you can place a paper plate person on the wall, which then shows up in the future world
This is the first fnaf game that I have went through and done everything, i love how decent scary it is it isn't like too horror so that the younger fans cant play it but its perfectly creepy with enough innuendo to see how horrible the premise is with the dead kids in the back and william's springlocking audio, its amazing i hope we get more from this studio
You can see the pit bunny also has orange eyes at times, this may also be a reference to the orange eyes of the mimic. Well idk lol but I think so
Who is Ozwald? Is he just a random kid that appeared in into the pit or is he a more special character?
And where does he get the hallucinations from and why do these hallucinations start after he entered the ballpit? Also before entering he was already familiar with the animatronics..
I think its an arcade cabinet in the pizza plex, modern arcade games are longer and more story based, this could work because only the indie games were said to be in universe stories, while this could be a scary in mall arcade game based on the murders, would explain a lot
the yellow rabbit is just an identity less william afton. we know william afton to be the yellow rabbit. the children dont tie the two together. so to them the yellow rabbit it just a murderous monster. this is probably why it looks and acts so animalistic. they only see the monster and never the person in the suit.
This would make a lot of sense if not for the fact that the Yellow Rabbit reacts to the photo of William and Henry that you can find during Night 5, this creature may not be Afton but there is some semblance of him there.
24:47 wait but the golden Freddy suit always appears as a suit throughout other games, so it makes sense that it would be there. The Golden Bonnie suit on the other hand is, of course, worn. How would it be stuck at the bottom of the pit if it’s full of murder man? (genuine question all answers welcome)
It’s ABSOLUTELY directly mentioned.
Devon *takes off the helmet* and looks around to see the Pizzaplex being in chaos.
The problem with that though is to reach this ending, you *have* to enter MOE twice. So it’s still very much unclear whether the helmet he took off was real or just within the first layer.
I think he is foxy and just stuck in a loop. One of the endings explain that perfectly and I remember watching Marks play through and I believe that you do see several kids ghosts right next to the ball pit on one of the nights. I might be wrong but I thought one was Oz. But that’s just a theory. A GAME THEORY.
honestly it's best FNAF game because it has narrative and story in it not just senseless jumpsares and "spooky secrets"
Was recommended this channel from the name, im already loving the video, have a great morning RyeToast
20:40 “I thought there was a more logical explanation…” Bro, there’s Sea Bonnies and Fazgoo. What logic where? 😂
The yellow Rabbit is a good name for the all encompassing William based enemies. I am a fan of calling the enemy Pit Trap but since he replaces your dad we could also call him Trap Daddy Kappa
get well soon, Rye! I got a cold, too. I feel like being face-plugged... 😔
Game was fantastic and I cannot wait for Fetch. Ive enjoyed the conversation out there about who Ozwald's Dad is. The FNAF Community is the best 🔥
OH HECK YEAH! I love your long form content! It`s such a joy to listen and draw to you ! ^^
The only reason why I would be okay with it being a “in universe game” is if it lets 1-6 off the hook and those games are allowed to be canon since the fazbear frights games/books are what the “rogue indie developer” cooked up. Maybe that’s because I just find that twist in VR to be asinine since it invalidates the core of the series.
Agreed, atleast the books gave us a new antagonist to take aftons place.
43:00 It actually does directly state that Devon takes out the helmet. Like it very specifically says he removes the Freddy head as the virtual pizzaplex is dissappearing around him.
The funniest thing about into the pit to me is that everyone describing it as a "time traveling ballpit" despite it technically having nothing to do with time travel.
For those who didn't read the books, you aren't traveling to the past. It's agony memory. Meaning you are traveling into a memory recreation of past events. To that extent, it's closer to larping (acting in the present pretending to be in midevil times) than it is to time travel. You are in the present. . . and are jumping into a "dream*". . . that happens to be about the past. You and the dream are still in the present.
Hmm, William as Livia (classics nerds know). I can see this. He can't beg a successor to make him a deity to keep from consequences, so he has to do it himself. Neither of them cared whom they stepped on to reach their goals, but at the end, fear the "find out" part.
I doubt it's in-continuity since that would imply that there are two instances of the following:
A blond character with a troubled paternal relationship enters a representation of the Fazbear hayday ending in tragedy, playing in-game games showing the past, and getting lured to a backroom by a glitchy, fleshy rabbit entity who then takes on the identity of said character's father in their mind.
These instances being Into The Pit and Help Wanted (1)
I mostly have reservations about Into the Pit being canon because of what Scott said in the interview but I'm also unsure about the possible time frame.
Now, this does hinge on the Stitchwraith Easter Egg being more then just a homage but out of all of them it does feel the most likely to be real so here goes.
While I don't think the present is ever given a specific year the overall look and especially the technology (I don't think Oswald ever mentions their stuff being out of date due to their financial issues) it seems to be set sometime in the 2000s, very early 2010s at most. The Stitchwraith cannot be around until after FFPS if Stitchline is true but that game at the absolute earliest is set in 2015 (30 years after the MCI) assuming it happens immediately after FNAF 3.
tl;dr: I think the Stitchwraith appearing in the game cannot happen because it seems to be set before the Stitchwraith could exist in the main continuity.
1.Rye - the blood from the pit is from the victims.
Me - no, they did tests on 30 balls, it came back that the DNA was all 1 person at different ages of their life. So it could have been the yellow rabbit in game, but Ellanore says that she did most of the events of FF...
2.Rye - The rest of the game, the mci kids aren't in that room.
Me - the rest of the game that room is not accessible, like a boarded up saferoom. So they could be there, or more likely, they are stuffed in the band animatronics... so Foxy is already taken.
21:18 If I had a penny for each time dream theory comes up, I'd be rich (Probably)!
I went back to count the spamming in FuhNaff's playthrough to maybe help out.
Gumball Secret - FuhNaff's Into the Pit Finale (2nd video)
~ He does it twice, but the full spaming starts @3:46:33.
@3:37:09 / @3:46:51
9 - Candy Candy Candy
@3:37:43 / @3:47:10
21 - What else could you want?
@3:38:16
Whispers are in the background?
@3:38:27 / @3:48:07
47 / 48 - Can you hear them?
@3:48:39
68 - Yummy!
@3:50:07
80 - No biting!
~ Music begins warping...
@3:50:13
84 - What did I say!
@3:50:31
96 - Can you see them?
~ Minigame activates
Also, Oswald has a hell of a right hook. 😳😂😂
Oswald's Dad is Not Possessed,
It's The Same Identity Theft thing that Elanour Did in Her Story,
PIT Trap is using That illusion Disk Tech,
To appear as The Kid's Dad.
(Like MegaMind's Watch!)
PIT trap is Not a Hallucination
Otherwise how did Not only Choke to Unconsciousness
But also attack and Kill Jeff
I think Ozwald's Hallucinations, are Side Effects of Being Exposed to The illusion Tech.
For Too Long.
And in one of The Endings,
Oswald's Glowing Eyes is him Unknowingly Using illusion Tech,
To Keep the The Appearance of a Normal Child.
(Like How Novel Charlie found out she was a Robot.)
agony is an inaccurate term for what it is, it is dark remnant. it is just that agony is the strongest and best way to generate dark remnant because agony is the strongest human emotion. i might even go so far as to say there is no difference between "agony" and remnant. remnant+intelligence+object causes hauntings, human emotion creates remnant. agony is strongest human emotion so by gathering objects with history shrouded by agony you should have enough remnant to create a stitchwraith.
Haven't played the games yet or read the books yet, but I think that INto the Pit is an in-universe game produced by Fazbear Entertainment.
William 🤝 Sisyphus
What if I cheat death
Until he met Eleanor.
Odd stray thought, looking at VIP and Into the Pit. Oswald goes into the ballpit and plays hide and seek with Chip and Mike. He hides in a Freddy costume. In VIP a Freddy head is the MOE device. Could Oswald just be in a VR or AR mask
I've noticed that every adult reference in the game is connected to the aftons in some way. So by that, to me, his theory on Casey's dad males a lotta sense.
Something as well is that Oswald calls all of the animatronics by their animal name like the bear for freddy or the bird for chica, so oswald calling the bunny animatonic a rabbit doesnt prove it isnt springbonnie/springtrap
EDIT: I dont think its actually him ofc, i just dont think that evidence can support it not being him lol
Hot take here thats not relevant but I think that Golden freddy is not relevant, in fact I dont think that Golden freddy was even supposed to be revolved around I think it was just an easter egg that the fans turned into a big thing, So I dont believe that Cassidy posseses Golden Freddy I think she posseses Balloon boy I mean Balloon boy is the demon between gateways from Earth and Hell so the phrase “the one you should not have killed” makes sense. Idk if this is a big hot take and Im stuck on the fence on what to believe but im leading towards this.
Hopefully this will be added into the next podcast comment. Also sorry if this comment was long it was fin writing it so thanks if u read it.
I don't think the story books are themselves canon, but the video game adaptations of them might be imo
2 questions about the William afton theory so when you go to Jeff in the security room you see a man sitting in the dining area and when spring Bonnie comes he’s gone and left the pizza and then what about the blood coming from the suit in the good ending where he gets tangled up
Hey rhye on the bb minigame with the purple guy sprite, stans on the floor and sc tge screen and mess with the lighting WILLIAM AFTONS FACE IS IN THE BACKROUND HIDING, in binary before the arcade game starts it says always watching..
I feel like because all the mini-games are the books, so it's almost like it's a game of the book continuity.
Hell yeah more toast! 🎉
I don't think there's any ACTUAL time travel. I think this is the first FNAF game to go back to being full on fantasy rather than tiptoeing into science fiction. I think that the ENTIRE pizza place is being effected by a haunting, not just the ball pit, but the pit has the blood of the victims in/on it so it's the nexus of the haunting. That's why things happening in the "past" affect the normal pizzeria. He's traveling into a "spiritual" version of the current day pizzeria. That's why even though he hadn't even SEEN the ball pit and didn't know about Fazbears he was subconsciously drawing the animatronics. He was being affected by the haunting. The rat was probably already in the building (rats in the rundown Jeff's makes way more sense the than pristine Freddy's), the haunted version of the place just let Oz capture it.
Pit Bonnie is definitely not William Afton but I think there's got to be SOMETHING of Afton in that monster. specifically because of his voice lines. They're distorted but you can make out what he's saying. All of his other lines can be dismissed as things the kids heard during the murders but two lines stand out: "Even if I don't get you now, I ALWAYS come back" and "I will make you suffer just like I did." If this IS the location of the murders then this is also the location that William Afton was springlocked years later so HIS agony could have contributed to the creation of the monster.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. If you are rescuing the kids of the MCI as you explain in this, then there is no way this is in-continuity, because two of the kids we save are Chip and Mike, and they are NOT in the games MCI.
I would say it just isn't in continuity, but if they are going to make more Mega Cat games based on Fazbear Frights stories, then it kinda is it's own continuity, because with all the references to other Frights stories, the other pixel/Mega Cat games will most likely also be in the same continuity as this.
I love you videos dude Hope you have a good time
Dont know if someones already said this but thought its worth mentioning, your last point doesnt rly make sense because if he had unplugged the power strip or whatever it was and everything shut down, he'd be back in the moe area, with the now useless freddy head on, that doesn't happen so it must've all been virtual
What if William's wife died at Fall Fest 1979 and that's why we never see anything about her and that's what sets him off to start in general, then he just keeps getting his family killed one by one
Everyone says its scary but I cant see how its scary. Good video though. Keep up the good work.
what if Fazbear Frights are tales that were supposed to be told to the visitors in the Fazbear Frights attraction that we play in FNAF 3?
Was just watching markipliers latest. He called Jeff present day on night 4 or 5 and it came back as Freddy’s..
Found that interesting.
Always love seeing kitties. Tell Mark i said hi and give extra scritches for me
AWESOME cold open today lmaoo
Imo Oswald is already dead because "the dead forget" and the whole game is him remembering and finally Foxy possessing him
If thats the case then the good ending is thanks to the stitchwraith.
We are getting a cart racer now we need a proper fighting game either 2d pixel OR fnaf world or even the more modeled security breach quality but a fighting game in general
when i first wached the playthrough i thought oswald ended up in golden freddy
and also that the creature is the mimic and oswald see it as it is bc of something like the illusion disc
I honestly Believe that Ball pit is another Manifestation of 1985, like the Upside down in Stranger things
Correct, the books show that its really a empty void that can shape itself based of memories. Its used by Eleanor to store the souls of her victims.