How To Sell EVs To People Who Hate Them
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- Опубликовано: 5 апр 2024
- Electrics have become thoroughly politicized. It's Red versus Blue, conservatives versus liberals, ICE versus EV. Political consultant Mike Murphy wants to break through the politics. He's a conservative Republican who is pro-EV and has some great insight, backed up by polling, on how to sell EVs to people who hate them. Better still, he's hilarious.
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I’m a Republican and I love my EV’s. The main purpose for EV’s is to not burn the fuel in the first place. They don’t work for everyone. They been selling them wrong since the beginning. Stop telling them that they have to buy them or they’ll be walking. They are simply better cars for everyday driving. Smoother and quieter. Next to no maintenance. A little harder on tires.
Harry's garage proves even the most die hard green advocates find evs to be an inconvenience. Harry is a car Enthusiast who is so obsessed with being green that he has his own solar farm his own windmill, generates all of his own power and has fuel that is 100% renewable. He's far more obsessed with this than any of you guys are and get even he still went back to running a plug-in Range Rover rather than an electric vehicle. I'm just tired of people politicizing things that aren't political.
@@Tential1 Anyone on RUclips has to find something that will get views. The EV space is wall to wall. I understand his motivation. An underserved audience. Scotty is another example.
Anything to not hire a bunch of government employees and build out a serious public transit system
And this is where the market comes in and try to make a better tire or affordable marketable tire for EV’s but nobody stepping in
EVs are worse for the environment than the alternative. It's easy to find the sources that have figured this out.
I’m republican leaning, mechanical engineer and grew up around motorsports my whole life. Im on my 2nd Tesla and they are hands down the best vehicles to own for the average person. It’s crazy the false beliefs many people have against EV’s.
Anyone pushing ev is putting the cart before the horse. these people are uninformed fools batteries are not as energy dense as gasoline and america has long stretches of highway and it's harder to hold or put energy back into them vs a gas tank ev's just dont fit this type of long interstate travel environment we have in america.
@@billybobbob3003 yes you are correct, batteries are less energy dense than gasoline. No one is arguing that. You make a strange assumption that just because the US has long roads, that you need a vehicle that can travel far. 99% of commuters don’t drive more than 40 miles a day. This range is easily accessible from my EV. Your thought process could also be said as “our solar system is vast and the nearest planet is very far away, thus gas engines are not suitable for the everyday person who travels to space”. ….the right tool for the right job, ICE cars have their use and are necessary currently for long haul, towing vehicles, but not needed for the everyday city commuter who has a garage with an outlet
@@stevecha3612 electric vehicles are relevant because what do you do when power grid is out? you cant charge man lol and america is not designed for ev its too big this only works in small places.
@@billybobbob3003 I haven’t had a power outage that I can remember in the last 20 years last more than 5 mins. I’ll take my chances
@@stevecha3612 lol ive had many power outtages on east coast hurricanes power out for weeks 3 weeks at times overthe 40 years ive been alive man lol. This ev thing isnt gonna pan out bro.
I was the first person in my neighborhood to buy an electric car. Now there are seven in my neighborhood. Everyone of them I gave test drives to. Once they drive it, they understand it.
Insurance, cost 4xs as much, tires 5xs as much, they wear out 50% faster. Evs catch fire easy. They stall for no reason. U can keep your evs.
@ForzaJersey No, I think the statement is misunderstood. People try an EV, understand what it is and isn't, and aren't interested. So the whole 'people don't buy EVs because they're afraid of change/don't understand them' narrative falls apart.
People don't buy EVs because they don't want them. The fence sitters buy them because they're afraid of NOT changing. These things DON'T sell themselves.
@@maverick-zj3jzEverything you mentioned is wrong about EV's. Why the hate?
Yeah right 😂
@@ForzaJersey Interesting, as I've never heard that from someone. My experience (5 years) is much more in line with the OP.
This guy gets it. Find the points that people focus on and show them how EVs can fit their needs and wants. I am a conservative and car enthusiast and I look forward to buying and EV for many of the reasons the guest points out. Fast, quiet, smooth, lower maintenance, reduced complexity, no gas station and less volatility on gas prices v electricity, more interior room and sleeper status. There is a lot to like.
Anyone pushing ev is putting the cart before the horse. these people are uninformed fools batteries are not as energy dense as gasoline and america has long stretches of highway and it's harder to hold or put energy back into them vs a gas tank ev's just dont fit this type of long interstate travel environment we have in america.
@@billybobbob3003 Except the vast majority of Americans drive under 30 miles on daily commutes and daily driving activities. Many fly for vacations because the country is so large, gas is so expensive and many roads in fair to poor condition and limited vacation time. Batteries do not have the density of gasoline but electric motors and drivetrains have efficiencies in the 90 percentile rather than the ICE in the 50s. Most households have 2 or more vehicles so having an EV for most common use and an ICE for long haul travel needs can make a lot of sense for a lot of Americans.
@@zeitgeist888 ev is out of date 1830 technology it's shortcomings compared to 1860s ice technology are the same today they were almost 200 years ago. when the power is out there is no charging hurricanes winter storms no charging ev's are people putting the buggy/cart before the short these people lack good sense.
Keeping the money in the country is a terrific selling point.
@gregharrison
For Mexican Ford Mach-es or Saudi fuel?
I am conservative leaning. I’m also an ASE certified automotive technician (I no longer work in the field and I’m now electrical automation technician) and I personally believe that my 2018 Tesla Model 3 performance is the best car I’ve ever had.
Can you please elaborate on what your "best" definition encompasses? I'll give you the obvious ones, quiet ride, fast acceleration, can drive past gas stations and not even glance at it. Now depending what class of driver you fall under (not you specifically) which is where I fall, the driving dynamics of a Model 3 which is probably the so-called "sportiest" mass market EV you can get, is nothing I'd call inspiring or sporty and I am leaving straight line acceleration out of this sporty definition since EVs just inherently are fast off the line and to 60.
@@ArthurZakaryan23 I can see that you’ve apparently never been to an auto cross event.
It really is unfortunate when things that shouldn't be political, become so. Because when it comes to politics, FAR too many people just do what the team says & don't think for themselves.
Yeah it's unfortunate that science and facts don't sell, sensationalism and FUD does.
Media spent decades developing the "Coke vs Pepsi" political environment and here we are.
What a problem. There are people that let anyone program them? I am a republican, and I HATE when republicans spread the crap about EVs. EVs are just better. BUT if you drive far every day, dont buy an ev. And thats fine. If you go to work, come back, take your kids to sports come back, go to super market and come back, (you know the drill), EVS are EXCELLENT. Do not let politicians hijack your brain.
Personally I would amend that. The further you drive, the more an EV can make sense. The question is if the long drive in question is conducive to an EV, which it may or may not be.
@@JT_771 The savings are greater for people with long commutes but they also make sense for people with short commutes or minimal driving. Obviously buying a new BEV isn't economical but buying a used BEV like a Bolt, Leaf or old Model 3/S is great for people who don't want to pay the annual smog check, change the oil and gas which degrades with time and worry about 12V batteries dying.
I’ve driven my Tesla coast to coast, several times. No range anxiety.
@@JT_771 Once you hit the major highways you can go MOST anywhere. I say MOST because I have not verified all routes.
Out of Spec just ran all 4 electric pickups ocean to ocean in 2 days. FWIW they add made it within a few minutes of each other. The exception was their F150. Which has a problem when run near 0% charge. The surprising thing is the big battery 200 KWh Silverado with somewhat less than 2X the battery was not a huge advantage.
@@Tokamak3.1415and the inevitable spark plug change, injection port cleanings, transmission servicing, timing belts, water pump, and on, and on.
7:20. Worked for me. Rented a Y from Hertz for a week. Drove San Diego to Austin TX and back. Loved it. Bought one in late February.
I own a plug-in hybrid and a BEV. In both cases tax credits and state rebates played a big role in my decision making. Although I was not primarily motivated by environmental concerns, I support transitioning from fossil fuels to electricity. Having lived through the oil embargoes of the 1970s and the Middle Eastern conflicts of the 2000s, I’m attracted by the idea that we have never gone to war over our electricity.
A lot of people don't get that part. It's very patriotic.
100% That was the point of the grid that many people didn't realize. It's to unify a region/nation/continent! And if they act out? You simply just off civilization with a flick of a switch..
The threat of being instantly relegated back to the stone age is incentive enough to keep peace with your neighbours and share... Funny that everyone in North America knows that except the Lone Star State, Texas! And now they have decided to build inter-connections but only for economic reasons... They have a huge surplus of exportable wind power!
@@stickynorth Texas’ refusal to tie into the national grid is a disgrace. I didn’t realize that they had surplus power to sell so it’s also an economically foolish decision. Speaking personally, I installed solar out of pure necessity. I live in the Desert Southwest with a utility company driven by unbridled greed. Tax credits made the purchase a no-brainer. The system paid for itself after 5 1/2 years. Since I produce more than 100% of my electric use over the course of the year I could make the argument that I’m getting power for free - it’s even better than that since I make a few hundred dollars a year selling surplus production back to the utility. I am not an environmental crusader but if purchases are made attractive to people it will pick up customers like me looking for a good deal.
As an independent fiscal conservative and progressive on social issues, I'm appalled that rank and file Republicans are falling for this anti-ev propaganda? I live in California and I have many neighbors with EVs. They all love them. I have a neighbor with an original Tesla model S from 2012. It is his daily driver and he uses it for trips without issue using the Tesla charging network. He told me his battery life is still at 92 percent! That is 12 years of driving his Tesla and all he has done change tires and maintain fluid levels. What concerns me is the lack of affordable EVs for the rest of us. Sure, wealthy people can certainly afford vehicles over $40K USD. That is not the case for anyone in the lower middle class and below.
23 Bolt EV 2LT $30k - $7500, just missed the $2k Cal rebate because their CVRP website sucks.
I like that you mentioned the economics. It reminds me of the early 1900s when automobiles were for the rich until the Model T. This generation’s Model T is still open for opportunity.
Yea true. Affordability is the market challenge. That said, you can get a new tesla today for 33k. Not only is that less than 40k, it's less than some ice competitors.
We'll see whether the really cheap cars from Europe and China arrive here and at what price, but I also think that will be the watershed moment one way or the other
Being “fiscally conservative” while being “socially progressive” is like saying, “I want to spend money without spending money”
There are no independents. It's just something people who rate themselves too highly say to pretend superiority.
Wait until people get a real chance to drive a Tesla with the, just released, FSD Supervised software. Absolutely mind blowing!! I'm a republican and I find this politicization of EVs ridiculous.
Nice to hear a discussion on politics that is more facts than vitriol. It's undoubtedly going to get worse before it gets better, but at some point everyone will realize that the EV is just a better car all around. It's going to be a long, long time before you can't get an F-350 with a gas engine, but eventually even that niche will get filled.
Im more rep than dem and hate this anti-ev bs from the party. Oil money is too obvious. EVs are great.
I sell EVs to EV haters everyday. They just need to be informed. I’m a car guy.
Nice, hasn't worked for me. I can argue all disinfo, but little success. This is in southern california!
I've mostly given up
@@rp9674 You have to work on your delivery and your talking points. I’ve already sold 4. I also use my car for test drives. I’m an investor so I have a bit more of an incentive though.
No. I need too talk to smarter people, ir better yet, give up. I don't sell cars. I was talking about co-workers & fam
I think if people try am EV for a day or 2 theyld get it.
I’m a Democrat performance guy. Had a Shelby GT500 and Hellcat Challenger. Last week I bought a Tesla Model S Plaid. Just as impressive as the speed and torque is the full self driving and the stereo. I can’t see myself ever going back to a ICE.
APPRECIATE MIKE PUTTING HIS INTELLIGENCE AND PRACTICALITY IN THE DISCUSSION
Good discussion. Thanks for posting.
Stages in the Hype Curve
1. Peak of inflated expectations
2. Trough of disillusionment
3. Slope of enlightenment.
4. Plateau of productivity.
Hybrids are in Stage 3.
Electric cars are in Stage 2.
In August, robotaxies will leap into Stage 1.
Given time, electric cars will get to Stage 4.
I disagree about your assessment of EVs. Mostly the disillusioned people are stock analysts and similar who made projections too high. EV adoption is growing just slower than the disillusioned people expected. ICE car sales have been shrinking since their peak in 2017. Everyone is talking about the rate of EV demand falling but not about actual ICE demand falling for the past 6 or 7 years.
@@danharold3087 EV stocks did a pump and dump.
Great video! Thanks!
"Don't sell the drill - sell the hole it makes!" I love it. I'm Canadian but still appreciated Mike's perspective as its universal in many ways. So, thanks for this John - great episode!
I am a Republican and I love my EV. I hate that politics get assigned to this. I agree with this guy. Focus on the attributes! I love the host of this program. Very intelligent and well informed.
Much smarts with this guy; nice chat, thanks! :)
The vast majority of EV haters have never sat in one. When I hear an EV hater making environmental arguments, it just exposes their ignorance. You don't have to like EVs, but if you actually drive one, you quickly understand the appeal.
Tesla model Y was the Best selling carmodel on planet Earth in year 2023 🥇🏆🏁🎉🎉
No it wasn't. The Toyota RAV4 was. That Tesla selling point is fully bulls--t.
Yea Globally throughout the world the Model Y was the best selling car, absolutely amazing...
@@vancity2349 Nnnnnope.
King Corolla #1 at 1.64 Million! Tesla Model Why 400,000 behind! Adrian lies again!
@@bobbbobb4663 Quite a few global sales counts show the RAV4 at #1, followed by the Corolla or Camry. Tesla is down the count by almost an order of magnitude.
See what I did there, Muskovites?
This was one of the greatest guests you've had on in years. Incisive, fair, intelligent. More of these and less bloated insider windbags, please!
I'm from the most right-wing pro-oil anti-renewable jurisdiction in the America's, Alberta, and even here there's a certain resignation that the end of oil is night hence why the far-right government has decided to make renewables illegal in MOST of the prime spot for political reasons. And why to this day despite having 5 million people there is no provincial EV incentive program of any kind despite there being tons of subsidies through towards oil & gas on every given day. And now even new disincentive taxes on EV's because of "the damage they do to our roads" which is even more rich considering a recent study showed almost every large truck stopped was over its max weight and wearing grooves in the asphalt..
Awesome show !! .... Benefits of an EV : Pick your pump price(Fast charger$$$/ home charging $ ) ...cleaner air less pollution ... lower maintenance ... Electricity comes from the State/Local/Personal grid no long distance issues !
Agree, regardless of politics and the environment, the mass market will embrace EV's when the it's very obvious the total cost of ownership is cheaper than ICE.
The TCO of EVs has been lower than ICE for more than ten years. People need to be better informed, but there's a lot of misinfo being spread all around, mostly by a mix of economical and political interests, as the extreme right is worldwide aligned with autocratic estates that are huge producers of fossil. This is very clear at 3:00
Brilliant interview/overview!!!🎉
The big pivot will be to move away from environmentalism, and instead focus on price.
The thing most people can’t comprehend is that EVs are on track to be less expensive that ICE vehicles in every market, without subsidies.
If these clowns in Detroit don't start pumping them out we won't get economies of scale for many years. But they're busy pushing hybrids to make the dealers' service dept happy.
Yep. Thousands of used low mileage Bolt EVs are on the market for under $20k, before a $4k federal tax credit that comes off at the point of sale. Its literally the cheapest car on the market to own.
Bought a Tesla recently. We’re in CA. Got negative reactions from neighbors and friends because of Elon. We bought because Tesla was the first to drop prices after COVID. And, it’s hard to steal, which is an issue around here.
Mike Murphy is a 100% correct on E.V. use. His story on his vacation home on getting a E.V. Is dead on. Pay for that vacation with getting an E.V. at there 2nd or 3rd home. You also must have to include a Hybrid as a family car. To convert from gas to 100% E.V., option you have to include Hybrid. It is great for transiioning. It serves best for a vehicle for family long distance traveling. If you have an E.V. you must have your own charger at home. Homeowners will overcome the range anxiety and achieve the biggest savings with there own charging system. Dealers must sell level ll E.V. chargers with every electric car purchase to overcome range anxiety. With a vehicle with 300 mile charge the average family without towing will be able to use that E. V. within a 125 - 150 mile radius from there home easily!!!! Savings will be huge per year. $2-$3k will be added discretionary income with just gas car savings in CA. Will be more when you add solar to your home. The new family economy is dependant on we incorporating new fuel car costs. Removing the oil companies residual business they get from us..
I am with you on most of it. Me and my wife both have Teslas and no more gas cars. I have driven from Houston to Orlando and back without issue in my Model 3 rwd. We save thousands of dollars a year in gas and maintenance. We have solar and home batteries as well and have not paid for electricity in 4 years.
Legacy auto makers cannot produce EV's profitably at scale so are pivoting to hybridizing most of their models to meet lower emission requirements and to qualify for Federal EV incentives. Consumers are paying more for the hybrids than they will ever realize in gas savings. Legacy auto has backed off EV's until 'the market develops', leaving the door open for Tesla and the Chinese.
If the PHEV buyers charge at home it will not take long to convince them that a BEV makes even more sense.
@@danharold3087 Not when they have to remember to charge that 40 mile battery every night.
@@jamesvandamme7786 do they forget their phone has to be charged too?
I was given an EV to drive by my dealer for 2 weeks and it was a disaster. I bought it anyway but if you loan someone an EV without home or work level 2 charging, it’s a nightmare. I still got two (polestar 2 and lightning) and love them, but people have to be prepared for the experience. Btw, I’m a middles age, conservative man 😊
This is true but to me, home charging is a key selling point for EV’s.
In 2023 we were looking at Tesla’s and then somehow extreme and crazy Elon is and we bought a Mach E from ford, and it is the best car ever!!!
Agree, I would hate to fund musk, love my EVs
There are about 150K people working for Tesla. People who buy Teslas are funding these people more so than Elon Musk. If you hurting anyone it would be yourself. Ford said it lost an estimated $36,000 on each of the 36,000 EVs it delivered to dealers in the third quarter. Other say 2X that. Your purchase cost Ford money. I don't know how I feel about that. Would that Ford had used it's A Team to design the car they called the mach e. EVs were supposed to be easy and less unimportant. They built a car that would never ramp to profitability. Story is that the project was originally called explorer but Ford did not think they would sell enough so turned it into a sort of Mustang. Then they degraded how many amps the car would flow to prevent the contactors from melting.
I don't mean to be as mean as the facts are. Want Ford to find its way.
@@danharold3087 The school of hard knocks has high tuition. Building EVs is a big change for Detroit and they have to sink a lot of R&D into it. It took years for Tesla to make a profit. But it's that or shrink your business soon.
If you have solar panels, battery storage plus a back up diesel generator you have complete off grid independence. If you want to convince republicans sell independence and build really practical plain white EV trucks and vans. A vehicle that can power your home in a black out and charge tools when working at a remote site and can act as an air-conditioned refuge during a blizzard or heat wave. EVs are already so cheap to run they work out the same or cheaper than an ICE equivalent plus you can sleep in them with the windows up so you don't get eaten alive with bugs. As the man said, forget the environment and zero to sixty and the going to Mars crap. Ford has the right marketing idea with the Lightning they just lack Teslas manufacturing and technical prowess to get the price down, at the moment.
I have a pretty good idea when gas gets up to $8 to $10 a gallon I think then the people that hate electric cars will think about buying them
People said when gas hits $4 a gallon, $5 a gallon, etc. Oddly, consumers seem to have short-term memory or just getting use to the pain so they keep getting squeezed, but do nothing about it.
I'm shocked at how much people like buying gas. When it hits a new high people at the office talk about it, I say I drive an EV, they keep driving gassers
Problem is that fossil fuel is controlling gasoline and electricity prices via natural gas power generation. Win Win but not for the consumer.
@@kevtheobald The price of electricity is now based on natural gas prices which are inflated due to the US now supplying it to Europe because they can't get it from Russia. Oh have we been taken for a ride. Unless you can afford home solar but then it too is overpriced in the US.
Energy prices can be whatever they want. I remember when Mexican border towns charged 10 cents a liter for diesel and the Americans put auxiliary tanks and water filters on their Oldsmobiles and VW rabbits, spent all day between filling up and waiting at the border crossing. Then overnight Pemex raised the price to 40 cents, closer to US pricing. So much for the tank and filter makers!
I have a Model Y but if the government mandates all electric home and transportation, then they can raise the price to $1 kWh. Then what?
Dealerships want hybrids because they maintain the maintenance revenue. They hate BEVs.
Yep, they make more money from the service department than from the sales office.
@@That-Guy_ Yep.......and in Australia there's little profit in the sale - and markups are illegal.
Quicker. More fun. Full every morning. No money for oil companies. Not Chinese (yet). Quieter. Smoother. Safer (because heavier).
I wish people that don't know what they are talking about would STOP saying EV are heavier. When you compare EV and ICE of same size and class they are very close. EVs are only heavier when you compare them to little toyotas and Hondas. A RWD Tesla model 3 weight the same as a BMW 3 series. I have had BMW x5 and X3 and they were heavier than a Tesla Model Y.
It is sad EV has been a political football when it is a logical choice. Manufacturing has been on a 50 year slide, pollution is real, and so many other reasons switching the US to EVs is a benefit for the nation. We need the change, it is not something nice to do, but so much of the future, economic security and national security is helped by having a mostly EV market.
I love cars. muscle cars, classic era cars, exotic cars, etc. There is a certain character, experience, kind of an automotive theater, that can be exciting and fun. For day-to-day living, just need something that gets me from point A to point B. Having something that is quiet, can be "refuled" at home, less maintenance, and cheaper to operate, is a nice thing to have and as a benefit it helps the nation.
The hardcore anit-EV crowd is tiny. It is the mainstream buyers who do not like to be inconvenienced that are the biggest chunk of buyers. While ICE vehicles catch fire, can have under 300 miles of range, there is not a gas station everywhere, and when ICE vehicles were new, they were expensive and had a whole ton of issues at time when horses were what the masses were using, the change happened. Eventually horses became a more expensive and more hassle transport option. This is where we are heading ICE to EV. Five years ago, few EVs had over 200 miles of range, generally prices were very high, and charging stations were rare to find. Now there are many EV options with over 200 miles of range, prices are much very close to ICE before tax credits/rebates. and charging station locations have increased massively.
I hope next year, the Autoline team does a twenty year review of ICE versus EV to show the progress made. The pace of improvement of ICE is very limited, mostly because it is a very mature tech thanks to a century of high R&D funding. EVs on the other hand would get small spurts of R&D funding. The EV1 got great funding for a short period of time and then got shutdown by GM. It is thanks to personal portable electronics that batteries got the kind of R&D funding to push that tech forward that gave new life to EVs. Now we see large EV R&D budgets and because the tech was under developed, we are seeing rapid improvements. Remove the hate glasses and just view EV logically and the pattern is clear. China is going to own the world if we keep letting stupid political games keep us from doing what is logical for the future.
The masses were never using horses. Farmers and commerical businesses were using horses. Most people walked until cities developed street cars. Horses are expensive to feed and shelter.
Never owned a full size pickup. Never owned a Ford. And never owned a BEV. I now own a Ford Lightning and love every minute of the driving experience! Obviously BEVs are not for everyone, but for me it is a great choice. Climate change and Biden admin mandates had zero influence on my buying decision.
Do a show on the current state of Tesla’s charging infrastructure. If you discover underserved area’s check again in 6-12 months, the coverage is expanding quicker than many comprehend.
The physical facilities at Tesla charging stations are also starting to be improved by Tesla. The one at Bravo Farms on Highway 99 in California now has a shade structure/solar panel roof, whereas it was originally just a few chargers sitting in a small parking lot. Tesla sees the charging station as another profit center to not only sell electrons, but also sell the same thing mini-marts/gas stations sell: food, candy, drinks, liquor, toys, clothing, hats, ice cream, etc.
Tesla is also offering franchise type deals with people that have land to put chargers on.
@@BigD4Real. Interesting - I did not know that
Conservative here coming from
V8’s and Mercedes AMG v8’s. I miss the sound of the engine, but not the oil, transmission, spark plugs and everything else, especially the fumes. Tesla drives like a laser guided middle. I’ll never go back but won’t get a regular EV for sure. All the other EV manufacturers have a lot of catching up to do on all levels.
Add the sound inside your car with an App
“Buttiege gets it”…90 point drop in credibility with that comment
Good discussion, but important to keep in mind Mike Murphy is the poster boy for establishment insiders and a Never Trumper. I’d hardly call him a conservative or a friend of the working class.
"does not like sending money to the saudis" America is also a massive oil producer.
We have long memories. Truth is oil companies Saudi or US both want us to burn oil.
US has passed peak oil production.
@@michaeloreilly657 The United States reached its peak oil production in 1970, when it produced around 9 million barrels per day. Then came fracking. Since first surpassing the previous record in August 2023, U.S. crude oil production has increased another 2%, exceeding the pre-pandemic November 2019 peak by 0.3 million b/d.
Where do you see that oil production has peaked.
The US is currently the largest oil producer in the world, no matter what electric car people say.
@@danharold3087 Thank you for updating me. I had not appreciated the effect of fracking on oil production, I thought it was mainly gas. I do note, however, that although the US is the largest oil producer, it still needs to import to satisfy its demand.
One thing about polling is with the loss of universal land lines polling is near worthless.
I've been saying these same things for years. That guy is good.
People need to test ride in an ev, push the fact of home charging and how fast they are. Not that they are green. 🥂
Appreciate the work this man is doing to de-politicize the EV debate. I cringe everytime Trump bashes EVs. And the EV FUD generally spewed by conservatives is so tired and erroneous and ignorant.
The political stuff is all about mandates. Basically, someone out there says 'I know better, this is good for you, you will love it and now you have to buy it'. That will cause the exact opposite of the desired response. It was the same think with the Covid stuff. The technology should stand on its own legs and the benefits of it will become obvious to everyone, eventually. I don't remember reading about mandates for ICE vehicles coming out horse and carriage economy. That being said, I drove Tesla Y and I liked it, but it wasn't better than my Mercedes ML350 (now 12 years old), which I paid half price (when I bought 7 yrs ago) of new Model Y. So, the basic cost is an issue and the other thing, which I don't hear being talked about, is the cost of insurance, It would cost me almost three times as much as what I pay for my ML350. The bottom line say, there's no saving to be had at this point. If all things are equal, I'd prefer driving an EV, but we are not there yet.
U.S. taxpayers spend tens of billions of dollars a year subsidizing new fossil fuel exploration, production, and consumption
I am not sure in what form is that, but I’d be opposed to that, too.
The insurance and repairthing are a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. Especially the insurance companies. They LOVE to total cars. Tesla will teach body men to repair Tesla's in 2 weeks.
I get your point, but if you google what US industries are subsidized by the US government you will find, Farmers, Oil Companies, Utilities, Housing, Healthcare, Fossil Fuel, Agriculture. If you truly believe the tech or industry should stand on its own and not get assistance from the government that means pretty much everything you buy and own would be much more expensive than it is today. Gas would probably average $7 a gallon without subsidies to oil companies for land rights.
It comes down to money in the end, for most people. EVs keep getting cheaper, fueling costs are much cheaper, maintenance costs are cheaper. Once older EVs are shown to still be reliable, and more and more people (neighbors, family etc) are saving thousands of dollars a year, a lot of people will come around. Of course, there will still people who will be proud to spend more on their vehicles just out of spite and dedication to their party.
It would help if you made your side-by-side charts use the same scale. Preferably from 0 to 100% any other range skews the data visually.
Can't wait for a PHEV pickup to replace my old 5.3l Silverado. I drive a G2 Volt and love it, looking at getting one of the Volvo PHEVs in a few years to replace it when the time comes, I don't need to hoard hundreds of km of batteries I won't use in daily driving, enough to get me around town 95% of the time is fine. GM dropped the ball when they ended the Voltec program, a 4wd long bed Voltec Silverado extended cab (not crew) WT that got around 80km of winter range on an Ultium battery pack would have been perfect! I mean the new Toyota Prius Prime is essentially a ten year old G2 Volt, GM would be at least right there with Toyota Primes even if they did nearly zero R&D for a decade.
My “fuel” costs are less than 1/4 of what I paid with my previous car, and I didn’t own a pickup truck, can’t imagine, maintenance and oil change… no more. People don’t want to hear about save the planet, climate change, that’s too abstract, remote. Saving and creating jobs, cutting costs and helping their communities is a stronger message.
Here in Texas I charge my Tesla at night for free with my electric plan. I save thousands of dollars a year.
Great Autoline piece. Very informative pollster. Social change can be hard.
There is excellent information in this video. Thank you both for putting it together.
I've been driving EVs for about a decade. I love the no revving, hard shifting and all the things that shorten the life of an ICE vehicle. I can leave nearly everyone from a light and there is very little drama or guilt, so it happens a lot. I think that's why tires wear out quicker on EVs, but I've never seen a tire maker that gives a shorter mileage warranty for EVs.
Mike is one smart mofoco. Not all Republicans, but for sure MAGA Republicans, want to make >everything< political including EVs. My EV points are: I am tired of being jerked around by the Arabs and big oil companies, saves time and money on fuel and maintenance, and since I change my own oil I will never have to change my oil again.
I love my EV. It saves me thousands of dollars a year in fuel and maintenance. I charge it at home while I sleep.
One thing I always say to the anti-EV crowd is do you think oil is going to last forever? Because it clearly isn’t. If we don’t start transitioning to a green form of energy to run our cars eventually there will be nothing to run them with. That always makes them have a puzzled look.
I am a republican and love our EV (our only vehicle). Made the switch early 2018 (Chevy Bolt, switched to Tesla Model Y early 2021 (so superior to the Bolt)). We will never go back. I don’t understand why republicans are so against EVs.
Agreed. I have a Model 3 rwd and my wife has a Model Y. We save thousands of dollars a year in fuel and maintenance costs.
John, thanks this is amazing content. There are so many people doing great things that you shine the light on.
You sure nailed my position!
Engineers should engineer not politicians
Yes, all that electricity produced by coal is great. Did I mention tons and tons of strip mining?
Not sure here you hail from but in the US electricity from coal fell from 20% in 2022 to 17% in 2023.
No coal in NY.
My EV’s run off the solar panels on my roof.
most the people who say that support coal but hate it when it charges an EV
Batteries mostly never need to be replaced. 100,000 ~ 200000 miles
For NMC batteries it's about 300k miles
For LFP batteries it's about 500k miles
I'm a Republican who LOVES my Tesla more than any car I've ever owned. It is on a whole nother level, people just don't know how good they are.
Can we have this guy on quarterly? You have a lot of smart guests with a lot of knowledge but usually hey don't say much because it's "Unannounced product" or they are trying to fund their battery startup... I'd love to hear how this data morphs over the next few years...
The subsidies for EV, Batteries, Grid stabilization mega batteries, windmills, hook ups through infrastructure in place at closed or closing coal power plans. Increasing U.S. manufacturing.
How 'bout not selling them to people who hate them?
ICE can hardly make 100 000 miles without major repairs.
200 000 miles can be reached from probably only 1% of the ICEs.
EVs are just in the beggining , but are already way better than the century old ICEs.
Tesla hiring a head engineer to improve the cars so as to need less repair!
I hope they won't hire any Audi engineers cause my keeps burning oil , and all I hear " that's normal ":)))
Imposter CyberTrucks can't even make it out of the parking lot before failing! Adrian fails again!
@@bobbbobb4663 liar.
@@BigD4Real. Jalopn*k has a whole page dedicated to the failures! I don’t have to lie…Musk does it for me and I simply report it!
Great episode, I particularly liked the phrase of "coming at them sideways", we are all different people with different things that motivate us,
Harry's garage proves you wrong. Even the most die hard climate activist, he has a wind farm, solar farm, 100% renewable refuel, and he still gave up on electric vehicle, and went to a plug in hybrid. Dude, people being favorable or not doesn't matter if they don't actually want to own the vehicle.
Did you copy this. Harry needs views. He picked a stance that would get him outside the pro EV space.
I am a Republican that owns an EV. It was an informed decision. Based off my driving habits my EV works great. A lot of my conservatives friends including some family members are dead set against EV's. Your right, the issue has become political. I agree with your comment about butts in seats. If you spend time with an EV it will win you over. An electric motor is such an elegant way to power a vehicle. Regarding the upcoming Dodge Ram Hybrid Truck. It's going to be a huge success. I want one but it's way to big for my needs. Cheers!!!
Right about electric motor propulsion. The problem is the half ton battery. I’m happy with my Model Y overall but I want my next EV to be lighter which should make it more efficient.
@@Diap842IV Just get a smaller EV.
It's not just Republicans bashing the EV's. I know many Democrats that don't want them.
This was a really good take. Excellent data and polling with an eye towards solutions instead of polarization. The guest aims to meet detractors wherever they are....imo that is the correct form of outreach for this issue.
Demo Cars - Remember when the Mach-e was early in sales?? Ford took past-validation vehicles, reconditioned and sent to dealers for use as DEMO drives. Made a huge difference to kick-start their sales!!
The performance wins! Until charging stations outnumber gas stations PHEV rule!
hatred wanes - always did
(electric is superior being vehicle )
Wanes
Anyone whose income is ICE dependent (or their friends) will fight EVs. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!” -Upton Sinclair
My friends had *easier* road trips last summer with EVs than gas cars. Why? Every hotel now has overnight chargers. Superchargers are on the interstates. The only issue is national parks now. Towing? Ok, limited to interstates, but isn't that most towing?
I agree, EVs will win market share off drag racing and luxury, not tree hugging.
To not like something because of a “political party issue” is just so stupid.
I drive close to 20,000 miles a year between SoCal and Phoenix and my Model 3 makes me money and the Tesla infrastructure has been excellent. I do take naps when I drive for safety and charging/ napping is a recharge for both me and my EV.
Great video!
Surprisingly i still have yet to buy a new car. Still have my 94 Camano Z28 and a 1999 Honda Civic. I couldn't do that with a EV.
Gosh these discussions sound familiar. Closely paralleling same discussions from 2014.
After he's talked about adoption and built in USA, he's driving a foreign car. Lol
There's no cheap EVs to buy in USA.
Can't stand Murphy, but his points make sense.
Finally some good you-tube.
I agree that climate benefits should not be part of EV advertising, but I haven’t seen much advertising for EVs at all, and I can’t think of any that have an environmental theme. Usually it’s performance or how quiet and smooth they are. On the other hand, I can think of lots of advertising for gas SUVs and trucks that you could say have an environmental theme, in that they show a family or a group of guys “escaping” to some unspoiled location.
Why advertise to sell a car that costs the company $36K a copy more than the MSRP?
Legacy is taking a break while the have the A team design the next round of BEVs. I hope.
Need to bring NACA plugs forward for Ford, GM, etc as EV charging is a key issue. Only in 2025 do Fords and GMs come with NCAC std at present.
We shut down the coal power plants and built natural gas power plants because they are about 1/2 as polluting as coal. But then somebody wrecked the pipelines between Russia and Europe. Then consider
"US is still shipping natural gas to Europe, and in 2023, the US was the largest supplier of liquefied natural gas (LNG) to the EU-27 and the UK, accounting for almost half of total LNG imports."
So now the fossil fuel industry is linked to both the price of gasoline and electricity for charging BEVs. In the meantime the cost of home solar is about 3X the cost in the US as AU.
Who's on first?
Mike Murphy: I worked for Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney. I'm a conservative.
Rational people: 🤣🤣🤣
Great conversation. I had no idea Mike Murphy was now an EV evangelist.
If you are apprehensive about buying a BEV TESLA now has some great deals on leasing Model Y & 3 for right around $400/month, 36 months, 10k miles/Yr, and $3k down.
Hybrids are the better choice. More practical, less expensive, and no range anxiety/relying on charge infrastructure.
You mean plug in hybrids? Normal "hybrids" are just more efficient gas cars. They shouldn't even be called hybrids but here we are.
Hybrids are the best and also the worst of both worlds. Everybody's drive is different, so go with what works for you. But the future will be BEV. If you can plug in at home, it's a no-brainer.
I like BEV, but I won’t buy one because of the insurance and repair costs even in the most minor of accidents. To many unknowns and indicators that costs will be exorbitant to repair.
If you have insurance, then the cost of repair is the deductible. I don't understand "the cost to repair after an accident" argument at all.
@@TeslaDo_d "EVs cost twenty seven times more to insure because just a scratch on the battery writes them off. And that's why rates are going up on every car, because of EVs!"
Yeah, somebody needs to investigate this and find a solution.
@@jamesvandamme7786 No.
@@TeslaDo_d Look at the insurance cost for BEV?
I have a Tesla Model 3 rwd and with Tesla insurance it is cheaper than insurance on the car I was going to get instead. The thousands I save in fuel every year would offset insurance if it was more expensive anyway.
While it is frustrating that we can't get our fellow Americans to care about their own environment, helping save that environment by telling those Americans the other fun/convenient aspects of evs is good enough for me. Whatever gets their butts in those seats.
Dummy. EVs are worse for the environment. Look it up.
Love this guy work.
when I hear the "EVs catch fire" objection, I know I'm wasting my breath... (talking with an individual who prefers to drive around in a machine that has 20+ gallons of EXPOSIVE fuel, but completely disregards the risk of THAT.)
SMH
I am ultra conservative and love my Model 3LR/FSD. Tesla forever. I think Elon is the greatest. He is the Edison of our age. P.S. FSD 12.3.3 is amazing.
More like the Henry Ford.
What about promoting energy independence? How politically divided is that?
I am right leaning and I work for a new car dealership and have been in charge of building the EV infrastructure in our dealership. I have driven EVs. I would ONLY own an EV as a second car. Unless you live on one of the coasts, you will not want to have to drive very far in an EV. He keeps talking about send money to the Saudis. Less than 10% of US oil imports come from any country in the Persian Gulf. Most us oil imports come from Canada. Personally, I am more concerned about how EVs and new cars in general can be hacked into or controlled. I drive a 1992 Diesel pickup that I can repair myself and I will not be buying a new car.