The Epistemology of Trees
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- If the mind can be something different from a brain, can a tree have a mind? Can trees think--or at least know? Are they like us in important ways that might reveal wisdom to us? Honestly, I just like exploring this. Sorry if it doesn't cohere as a "thesis." But it's a fun hypothesis and I think you can spend half a day in far worse ways than contemplating the shape of trees. The interesting thing is, you have to look at them literally, as non-symbolic shapes... and then, later, also, "interpret" them as meaningful entities that might even mirror our own concerns.
I spent the weekend with some other friends of the Godward Podcast. A few weeks ago when we were together walking through the woods, we talked about how trees perceive the world and what their morality is like, great minds think alike! We touched on many of the same themes you brought up.
I've been thinking about the permaculture idea of a "guild," it doesn't seem to have much to do with any other definition of guild beyond mutual aid but instead refers to a group of edible/useful plants that grow harmoniously together, often a fruit tree in the middle, surrounded by thorny shrub (like blackberries) which will protect the young tree from deer eating the bark while it establishes itself, then the shrubs are surrounded by a mix of nitrogen fixers, rhizome barriers, deep rooted nutrient harvesters, etc. Each of these plants produces some kind of crop and also plays a role in the miniature ecology to help the other plants in the guild.
We see here that someone who plants such a guild and cares for it acts in the role of a daemon/pagan god who wants the best for his plants which will offer up their fruits as sacrifice. The gardener/daemon can get his food elsewhere if need be but will love his guild all the more for producing fruit. And everyone playing their part in the chain leading up to the God. And we can see the diabolic ecology of factory food for factory raised people...
Awesome!!
“the Huon Pine is also a clonal life form - the above-ground stems share a common root stock. If that common root stock is considered to be the base of multi-trunked tree, then that tree could be as old as 11,000 years.
But if you accept a clonal life form as a tree, even that ancient Huon age pales into insignificance against the 43,000-year-old king’s holly (Lomatia tasmanica), also found in Tasmania”
start of the video reminds me of Spengler's digression on dasein/wochsein
Did Spengler write about dasein before Heidegger? Tbh I don’t remember this. Been years since I read DotW
@@GodwardPodcast Spengler makes it a point to prioritize the sleeping unconscious intelligence of blood and passion over the the waking consciousness of speech and culture. A bit of anti-intellectualism that Heidegger actually makes fun of in his notes on Spengler, noting the hypocrisy.
@@GodwardPodcast also hegel made dasein an important thing in German philosophy before that, kinda his fault really.
maybe you could make this a series of outdoor phenomenology
beautiful!
Trees can give way to younger saplings to give them light, depending on which part of the forrest they're in. Also root system and mother trees guide saplings to grow as well. They share nutrients but against question is: is a clone an individual or just an offshoots of the same plant which makes it all one thing.
"Give way" by falling over, or dropping a branch? Interesting. Hadn't heard that one. Yeah, the recent books on trees have been really fascinating, and it seems like the science is just beginning to understand the intricacies of the root system, mycology, etc. And yes to that question of "individual" -- thanks for watching.
Amazing story at the end 😆
Analogies cannot describe a totality of human behaviour, only particular. Because we already had many analogies which correspond with nature world, have nature as its subject, but describe two diffrent ways to ideal in every field of philosophical interest. Some ways of enquiry are useful for one and not the other
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