Exploring the MiSTer & DE-10 Nano FPGA - Is this the future of Retro?

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    Is FPGA the future of emulation? Today I review the DE-10 Nano and MiSTer bundle, which combined promises an accurate and accessible way to emulate your favourite retro computers and consoles, from the Sega Mega Drive to the Nintendo SNES, PC Engine to Atari 2600, Amiga to ZX Spectrum this thing promises the lot, but can it deliver? Lets test it out.
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Комментарии • 689

  • @DrLilo
    @DrLilo 5 лет назад +339

    As a MiSTer user, I just want to say, this is by far the single best video on the project I've seen anywhere on RUclips. Extremely well informed and with the production values to match.

    • @soloM81
      @soloM81 5 лет назад +8

      I have to agree with you its how it should be done not like the others who didn't take the time to do the research

    • @RMCRetro
      @RMCRetro  5 лет назад +24

      Hey thank you! There's so much you *could* talk about with this or so many cores you could demonstrate it's hard to know when to stop! But I really enjoyed getting to know it better and it's permanently setup now in The Cave for whenever I need my fix

    • @SteveJones172pilot
      @SteveJones172pilot 4 года назад +1

      I agree.. a great overview.. I have the same setup he has, and haven't had a chance to really get deeply into it.. this has given me some inspiration to do so!!

    • @arcadesunday4592
      @arcadesunday4592 4 года назад

      Check out "Smoke monster" on RUclips. This is probably the best MiSTer RUclips resource.

    • @DrNoBrazil
      @DrNoBrazil 4 года назад

      Watch any recent video from SmokeMonster. You are welcome.

  • @danielberrett2179
    @danielberrett2179 5 лет назад +310

    "Intel is wrong, this is for gaming" favorite line.

    • @glenndoiron9317
      @glenndoiron9317 5 лет назад +6

      The irony meter exploded. Altera (manufacturer of the FPGA on the DE10) is a division of intel.

    • @MrDuncl
      @MrDuncl 5 лет назад +3

      FPGAs are for anything where development costs need to be low and unit cost can be high. Jeri Elsworth, the designer of the C64 DTV, realised that in about 2002 but had to transfer the design to an ASIC in order to be able to sell it at toy store prices. It wouldn't be surprising if the component cost of Neil's setup is higher than an Xbox 1 or PS4. Much more versatile though.

    • @mUbase
      @mUbase 4 года назад

      NO! I bought my board and learned VHDL because I wanted to build a controller for my fridge. Not games!! (Brilliant video, thanks Neil. :) ) . I have a Papilio one board.Xilinx I know but FPGA is fascinating to say the least....

    • @soylentgreenb
      @soylentgreenb 4 года назад +2

      @@glenndoiron9317 Of course. The joke wouldn't work if Altera wasn't a division of Intel.

    • @thebutcherjb
      @thebutcherjb 3 года назад +1

      My favorite is "Tell me I'm a wizard Hagrid!"

  • @rekvin
    @rekvin 4 года назад +143

    Nice to see my old amiga demo "SOTA" runing so smothly. Copper plasma it is hard to emulate. We used a lot of self modifing code too.

    • @Retrojuju
      @Retrojuju 4 года назад +2

      Major A-hole himself?

    • @doctorcrankyflaps1724
      @doctorcrankyflaps1724 4 года назад +2

      @@Retrojuju ??

    • @mnemo70
      @mnemo70 3 года назад +2

      @@doctorcrankyflaps1724 Look at the credits of "State of the Art".

    • @Steeps1969
      @Steeps1969 3 года назад +2

      One of my favourite demo's, that one!

    • @3k3k3
      @3k3k3 3 года назад +2

      I still got the original disks with this demo..

  • @UltraHealthyVideoGameNerd
    @UltraHealthyVideoGameNerd 5 лет назад +27

    I can't imagine how many hours it would take testing all these cores and games out to make an informed video on a product like this. Thanks for doing the work for all of us

    • @RMCRetro
      @RMCRetro  5 лет назад +5

      Hey you're welcome! Thanks for taking the time to watch

  • @shadowtheimpure
    @shadowtheimpure 5 лет назад +85

    "Because I lost several hours of my life to Civilization" Don't feel bad mate, happens to all of us.

    • @sega_kid4288
      @sega_kid4288 5 лет назад +2

      Civ5 on a MS Surface 1 in touch mode. Procrastination bliss during my time at university!!! Let's see, write 2000 words on Heidenger or play CIv, lol.

    • @MostlyPennyCat
      @MostlyPennyCat 5 лет назад +3

      Can I just put a quick recommendation for freeciv in here? It was originally a civ2 clone and is now very polished. It's like if they kept the isometric graphics, polished it forever and added geeky things like custom rule engines.

    • @MostlyPennyCat
      @MostlyPennyCat 5 лет назад +1

      Also, if you like Settlers 2, Widelands is the freeciv equivalent of Settlers 2. Including a campaign mode! Build those farms, breed those donkeys, oh yeah!

    • @BlueBird-wb6kb
      @BlueBird-wb6kb 4 года назад

      Paradox games are better

    • @LemonRush7777
      @LemonRush7777 4 года назад

      I wasted my childhood away on Civ3, MoO 2, Homm3 and X-com Ufo Defense. I have no regrets.

  • @samuelschwager
    @samuelschwager 5 лет назад +53

    Do I NEED this? No. Do I WANT it? Definitely!

    • @khhnator
      @khhnator 4 года назад +2

      no you need this

    • @PooperScooperTrooper
      @PooperScooperTrooper 3 года назад

      @@khhnator I need this...but I don't _actually need_ it.

  • @RMCRetro
    @RMCRetro  5 лет назад +6

    That's my take on the MiSTer and FPGA....what are your thoughts? Have you tried it, are you sitting on the fence or are you going to rush out and buy one? Here are some useful links!
    MiSTer XL Razer bundle
    facebook.com/retroshoppontopt/
    The DE10-Nano
    www.digikey.co.uk/en/product-highlight/t/terasic-tech/de10-nano
    MiSTer MIDI with SoftMPU - ruclips.net/video/TlRKV6cUvf4/видео.html
    The MiSTer wiki: github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki
    Neil - RMC

    • @bazza5699
      @bazza5699 5 лет назад

      misteraddons.com/ defo worth checking out porkchop express's page, he has some incredible cases. twitter.com/MisterAddons
      ebay usually has sellers advertising the I/O boards, memory and USB boards.. worth doing a search on there if you're interested also

  • @wraithcadmus
    @wraithcadmus 4 года назад +10

    "Tell me I'm a wizard, Hagrid" - I lost it

  • @SmokeMonster
    @SmokeMonster 5 лет назад +54

    Great video. Always happy to see MiSTer in a master's hands :D

    • @aminekostone1411
      @aminekostone1411 5 лет назад +10

      The community owes a lot to you sir, for stirring up the interest!

    • @RMCRetro
      @RMCRetro  5 лет назад +15

      Thank you! And I urge anyone who enjoyed this video to check smokemonsters channel for some excellent coverage and work!

  • @SuperDerek
    @SuperDerek 5 лет назад +43

    Awesome IT Crowd reference there, quite subtle but much appreciated. And otherwise a great video altogether. The MiSTer has been on my radar for a while. :)

    • @wich1
      @wich1 5 лет назад

      Indeed, loved that reference. Just watched that episode again the other day

    • @HadleyCanine
      @HadleyCanine 4 года назад +1

      For a moment it wasn't flashing, and I wasn't sure if I should tell someone, but instead I just looked away.

  • @willyarma_uk
    @willyarma_uk 5 лет назад +3

    I've just ordered one :) I'd heard of it before but had no idea how large the scene was and what it was all about until I saw this, so many thanks for an awesome video!

  • @bombjack1984
    @bombjack1984 5 лет назад +6

    +1 for Bomb Jack footage!
    Fascinating stuff, this FPGA thing is such an interesting way of processing things differently.

  • @ruadeil_zabelin
    @ruadeil_zabelin 4 года назад

    Thanks for the video! I've ordered both. The people from retroshop were very nice in helping me find what i needed exactly

  • @DanielLopez-up6os
    @DanielLopez-up6os 3 года назад +2

    Can't wait for FPGA to become so mainstream we can get them cheaper due to bulk demand.

  • @adamsfusion
    @adamsfusion 5 лет назад +2

    I have one of these, and seeing RMC build one himself and lay out the charms of it makes me feel good feels.

  • @berighteous
    @berighteous 5 лет назад +3

    Great video, thanks! I've been a MiSTer user for over a year now. You almost are able to describe just how awesome the MiSTer is.

  • @zxrenew5642
    @zxrenew5642 5 лет назад +2

    I've been looking forward to this video Neil and it didn't disappoint. Well done Sir!

  • @arcadesunday4592
    @arcadesunday4592 3 года назад

    Very good coverage of the MiSTer project DE10 Nano! Very informative and entertaining. Cheers for now!

  • @Raveler1
    @Raveler1 5 лет назад +1

    I just heard about FPGA yesterday - and here you are with a wonderful video detailing exactly what I was seeking. Thanks so much!

    • @MostlyPennyCat
      @MostlyPennyCat 5 лет назад

      The long and short of it is thus:
      They gave a computer an FPGA, a genetic algorithm and an impossible problem to solve.
      Which it then promptly solved.
      And nobody knew how.

  • @Beaps73
    @Beaps73 5 лет назад +7

    What a great great video. I've had my MiSTer setup over a year now and trying to convince people its BETTER than a Pi has been a tough one. I was hoping to catch up with you as the last meet to talk to you about MiSTer but it seems you got it covered. Great vid man.

    • @NaeMuckle
      @NaeMuckle 5 лет назад +1

      I had no idea you could get this for the price. I own 5 pis and was costing the price of the pi 4. When you include the case and cables id need its still cheaper than this but not by much. This seems way more interesting to play with though.

    • @cleverkitsune4302
      @cleverkitsune4302 5 лет назад +1

      Who cares the pi is still easier to setup and has a much larger following that can show you how to do damn near anything with it

  • @retrorelicsandrepairs8572
    @retrorelicsandrepairs8572 5 лет назад +1

    Once again, a fantastic and informative video. Top marks to you, and yes I understand what you mean by “feeling” one day when I can afford one, I WILL get one. Thank you so much 😊

  • @Colin_Ames
    @Colin_Ames 5 лет назад +2

    The best MISTer video I have seen so far. Thanks!!

  • @VaterOrlaag
    @VaterOrlaag 5 лет назад +6

    Even after you mentioned soviet homemade computers, I was still surprised to see Sharp MZ on the list. :-) I'm glad that this beautiful yet obscure machine is getting some love.

  • @ruggie.74
    @ruggie.74 4 года назад +2

    Your knowledge aside (which is obviously extensive), I love your professional presentation and production. I'm almost 30 and I find watching 99% of RUclips content unbearable when creators act like hyperactive children for no reason. Thank you for taking your job seriously.

    • @RMCRetro
      @RMCRetro  4 года назад +1

      Thank you Brandon!

  • @zxkim8136
    @zxkim8136 5 лет назад +9

    Brilliant review neil. This is a capable machine with some great features and like you said it handles everything you throw at it. FPGAs will only get better, let's see what the next generation of coders can do with them😀😀😀 Kim 😁😁😁

  • @srotkiske
    @srotkiske 4 года назад +1

    Great video. Thanks! I bought the parts a few weeks ago now I need to sit down and put it all together.

    • @airgreek
      @airgreek 4 года назад

      Do you have links of where you bought them and which ones?

  • @amigoamiga9254
    @amigoamiga9254 5 лет назад +1

    This looks amazing, I like how it's modular, this is something I would definitely like to play with in the future.

  • @fredvaneijk1092
    @fredvaneijk1092 5 лет назад

    Thanks for this great review, as one of the developers of the Altair 8800 core is was happy to see you gave it a try.

  • @connoredling8864
    @connoredling8864 4 года назад +3

    I have this board! We used it in school as a dev tool. I'm absolutely going to order stuff to try this out. I think it would be a great engineering project

  • @beatchef
    @beatchef 5 лет назад +7

    I'm happy about the Acorn Archimedes love in this video :D The BBC Micro put me off computing when I was a tiny child because we had to play Granny's Garden and it scared me to death. But when I was a little older they got an Archimedes and ARCventure: The Romans and I was interested again! Then during lunchtimes and after school an enterprising kid put games on there like Mad Professor Moriarty and a Space Invaders clone with ketchup bottles and fried eggs. Then Lemmings got put on there and I begged my parents for months for something that could play Lemmings. Then at Christmas they got me an A500+ with the cartoon pack...

    • @MostlyPennyCat
      @MostlyPennyCat 5 лет назад +1

      Nur nur NUR Nur Nur Na Nur Na Nur Na NUR NUR.... etc
      _looks in the cupboard_
      Ah, granny's garden...

    • @jamesfmackenzie
      @jamesfmackenzie 5 лет назад

      James Neave I’m also traumatised - that witch gives me the shivers

    • @MostlyPennyCat
      @MostlyPennyCat 5 лет назад

      @@jamesfmackenzie that's because we were raised in proper schools!
      Fear!
      Discipline!
      Always!

  • @gnattress
    @gnattress 4 года назад +1

    Ok, it's taken a few months since watching this video before I went down the Mister DE-10 nano route - but I'm happy I did. The experience is fantastic! Thanks

  • @BAZFANSHOTHITSClassicTunes
    @BAZFANSHOTHITSClassicTunes 4 года назад +6

    The ST and Amiga days were glorious.

  • @Elradon
    @Elradon 5 лет назад

    Great video! Thank you for the great information. Can’t wait to get one myself!

  • @411pete
    @411pete 5 лет назад

    This is so, so tempting, thanks for introducing this to me!

  • @JorfDB
    @JorfDB 5 лет назад +2

    Great video. I'm excited for FPGA and the accuracy it can bring

  • @KittenNippl3s
    @KittenNippl3s 4 года назад

    Just the video I was looking for. I think I am ready to dive into all this!

  • @sawf6962
    @sawf6962 5 лет назад +4

    Fantastic to see MISTer getting some love this side of the pond. Development really kicked off when Smokemonster did his video last year and since then there has been many more features added. The neogeo core doesn't seem too far away, and PlayStation 1 will be a great addition when it happens. Price wise I think when you consider the price of arcade pcbs such as 1943 the MISTer is worth it for that alone, truly a great game. I think you should link the Atari forum page as well as that is where people can find info on everything MISTer, and sellers of the add on boards themselves. There are a lot of sellers around the world so I'm sure your viewers would like to avoid high postage costs and import taxes. I've been selling boards myself for nearly a year and am based in the UK.

  • @DubiousEngineering
    @DubiousEngineering 5 лет назад +4

    Admittedly I’m listening to this in the car while driving rather than watching the video... I bet the performance of the FPGA cores hardware emulate far better than the PI software emulating... I’m keen to watch the video when home... (I typed this on my drive)

    • @RMCRetro
      @RMCRetro  5 лет назад +2

      Stop typing while driving Howie!!!

    • @DubiousEngineering
      @DubiousEngineering 5 лет назад

      RetroManCave you have cameras everywhere!! :-)

  • @RoyHess666
    @RoyHess666 5 лет назад +32

    23:49 "What a gem this is"

    • @RMCRetro
      @RMCRetro  5 лет назад +7

      10 points to you 😁

    • @batlin
      @batlin 4 года назад +2

      That brought a smile to my face too.

    • @lmlmd2714
      @lmlmd2714 4 года назад +1

      Definitely an emerald gem.... green as green can be!

  • @grimvisionz91
    @grimvisionz91 11 месяцев назад

    I've been watching through your video collection recently and I have to say that you're becoming one of my favorite retro gaming channels.

    • @RMCRetro
      @RMCRetro  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you that’s very kind

  • @MEGAMIGA
    @MEGAMIGA 4 года назад

    Great video!
    Long time Amiga here.
    Because of a faulty PSU, I blew up my Apollo 060. When I have money, I will buy a Vampire 1200. FPGA is indeed a small revolution for us old school computer users ;)
    Love your channel

  • @bitroast
    @bitroast 4 года назад +3

    enjoyed the discussion on "feel". got my FPGA MiSTer setup up and running good number of months ago, and this is point is spot on. it feels accurate in a way that previous emulation never really has. it makes emulation feel all the more like an approximation, like looking at the software through a window. playing software on the FPGA MiSTer, the brain quickly forgets that it's not original hardware. it's lovely stuff :-)

    • @matthewjohnson1891
      @matthewjohnson1891 4 года назад +1

      Totally. I was playing genesis and actually wenrmt to pause and my right thumb reached up passed the b button. I wasnt using a sega 3 button so there was nothing there. Way different experiance then software

  • @stevechinz
    @stevechinz 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the info, I'll have to check this out!

  • @cheaterman49
    @cheaterman49 5 лет назад +2

    23:13 YES! A Frontier demo! You thought of me! Thanks :-)

  • @tanithrosenbaum
    @tanithrosenbaum 5 лет назад +38

    When you say "intel is wrong, this is for gaming" (laughed like crazy about that btw), you should probably explain why you're mentioning Intel there and that Altera is a division of Intel now, since that's probably not obvious to people outside the FPGA world. Great vid all arond!

    • @anjishnu8643
      @anjishnu8643 5 лет назад +1

      You, my friend are the hero our world needs.

  • @bazza5699
    @bazza5699 5 лет назад +11

    yay nice one neil.. finally getting round to doing the MISTer review... :) they are brilliant :)
    i totally agree with you neil.. there is an unidentifiable 'feel' you get on MISTer.. i've played rasp pi amiga emulators.. but when i booted up the MISTer minimig.. it just felt like the real thing.. same with the spectrum core and also the bombjack core which i played to death in arcades as a kid. great video.. nicely explained.. i hope more people get into the system and develop more cores.

  • @aminekostone1411
    @aminekostone1411 5 лет назад

    Great video. I've had the set-up since Christmas, and it has, a little sadly, replaced my MiST setup. It is absolutely amazing. I'm more of a fanatic of the old computers personally, so seeing the likes of the Coco3 and ZX Spectrum (by the way, how you couldn't show the Amstrad and Speccy in the video was criminal!!) makes it very good. Very recently we've had additions such as the Acorn Electron and the Oric Atmos - although no disk/tape support just yet. All in all most amazing.

  • @GazMarshall
    @GazMarshall 5 лет назад +1

    As always Neil, you've outdone yourself! Very entertaining video 😍👍

  • @armisg5664
    @armisg5664 5 лет назад +4

    Ooh, that 486 core is very intriguing!

  • @taw6528
    @taw6528 4 года назад

    This video at the time alerted me to this little marvel and I am still loving it.

  • @Brewskii2117
    @Brewskii2117 5 лет назад +1

    I've been having allot of fun exploring the different computers offered, had no idea about the Acorn Archimedes and Risc OS, what a great system.

  • @electronash
    @electronash 5 лет назад +7

    Great job on this, mate.
    I think you explained it all perfectly.
    It is difficult to get across the "feel" of playing the games with near-zero lag until you've spent a bit of time using the platform.
    The low-latency is a far more important factor than I realised, too. When I first started using MiSTer with a CRT TV, it was quite a revelation. And I don't think it's just placebo, as it's been shown now that lower lag can improve gameplay and the overall experience, at least for a lot of retro games. It even managed to improve my terrible gaming skills slightly. lol
    (modern games are generally somewhat less dependant on having super-low latency, as many of them are written with modern displays in mind. That is starting to change as well though, as more TVs and monitors have low-lag modes.)
    It may not be for everyone, as you say, as many people will be more than content with software emulation etc., and that's fine. And now we're even starting to see things like the Run-ahead mode on some emulators, which can help mitigate some of the overall latency.
    Emulation has come a very long way, since the early days of ZSNES and UltraHLE. ;)
    But, the FPGA cores really are en entirely different approach, even if the cores do suffer the same challenges as software emulation. Namely, the lack of in-depth chip-level info for some systems.
    (It has taken many talented devs many years to get more systems running well under MAME, for example.)
    And a lot of that has to do with the fact that chip-level netlists simply aren't handed out by the manufacturers, so a lot of "black box" analysis has to be done on the custom chips and CPUs, to figure out exactly what happens on each clock cycle, given different input stimuli.
    One of the only times I've known of chip-level netlists being released to the public was for the Atari Jaguar. That core should be super accurate already, and has been working for several years now. It just needs a bit more work done to get it running on MiSTer.
    The author of the core has been taking a look at that in his spare time, so we may see it running on the new platform soon.
    The same talented dev also wrote the Genesis / MD, and PC Engine / tg16 cores. He's a true wizard. hehe...
    github.com/Torlus
    Otherwise, writing super-accurate re-implementations of the more complex systems often requires techniques like decapping the chips themselves, and analysing the silicon, just like Furrtek has been doing for the past few years for NeoGeo.
    The same techniques are now being used for some software emulators, including drivers in MAME, and that all helps to filter down to the FPGA cores eventually.
    There aren't many people actively working on new cores, though, only a tiny fraction compared to people writing software emulators. Hopefully that's now starting to change with exposure from vids like yours, and people starting to understand the benefits. ;)
    And yep, for me it's also very much about the preservation of the original machines. The original hardware sadly won't last forever, although restorers like yourself are doing great work to prolong the life of these old systems.
    Using FPGAs is pretty much the ONLY way we have atm (as consumers / hobbyists), to truly preserve the logic of these systems.
    Not all cores can claim to be 100% bug-free, nor cycle-accurate as yet, but they are gradually getting there. Many of the 8-bit cores likely are very accurate already, though.
    Now that most of the popular cores are up to a good standard, we can start working on the tools and techniques for confirming accuracy against the OG hardware.
    For the slightly more subjective measurements, like audio, people have now written tools to do Fourier analysis on various consoles like the Mega Drive, so the audio can be compared directly between console revisions, and to the FPGA version.
    Anyway, yeah, it is an exciting time atm for this stuff, and whether people are into software emulation or FPGA re-implementations, it's always good to have more choices. ;)

    • @SianaGearz
      @SianaGearz 5 лет назад +2

      As to the low-latency argument, well you can pretty damn close in software emulation. You can chase the beam and overwrite a single buffer just ahead of the scanout, it is a massive current emulator research direction. And various hurry-up and latency negation schemes, like, what if your gamepad had 8 or so possible button transition states, with any given button being pressed or release, you can simply fork the emulation and emulate all these states, and then you basically already have the emulation result of what would have happened a frame or two later when the game finally reacts to your inputs. I mean a game might be reading the input at the beginning of the frame, updating the simulation during the frame (moving sprites and projectiles and whatnot in a back buffer), updating the video registers in the blanking period to copy the simulation state to the visible state, and then the scanout happens - but you already have the input and the result that would have happened in the future, so you can negate game's inherent input latency.
      But that's all still relying on common emulation shortcuts for the sake of performance. For systems that are well researched, FPGA truly allows to avoid those and the inherent compromise. It is exciting indeed!
      Emulation latency might also be inherently easy to eliminate (and in good implementations nonexistent) for purely framebuffer-based targets such as Playstation original and such, as the fundamental mechanism and sequence of operation matches between the console and the PC. The more complex, abstract and high-level from software standpoint the machines got, more modern-PC-like in a way, like Gamecube is a great example, the less cycle-based emulation accuracy has been achievable or sensible, and software may very well genuinely be the better approach.
      On the other hand, with Dreamcast i can still see value in this because the GPU has no modern equivalent in its operations and is remarkably difficult to emulate - so if you could make a hybrid, if you can just fit the GPU into the FPGA and emulate the CPU in software, you could achieve something decent.
      Of course the other argument is that something maybe should be done even if for little practical purpose, just because it appears borderline possible, and if it becomes reality, it's just such a fulfilling achievement. If it crosses a particular quality threshold at least - nobody likes those emulators that only crawl along at a few frames per second with no sound.

  • @unclerubo
    @unclerubo 5 лет назад +3

    I got the Richmond reference. It put a smile on my face.

  • @1luarluar1
    @1luarluar1 5 лет назад +9

    very well explained. It would be interesting to do a comparison between software emulation and fpga of a bunch of games and show the difference in detail. cheers!

  • @lazyhominid
    @lazyhominid 4 года назад

    A very good summary. Thanks for making this!

  • @SirDimpls
    @SirDimpls 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for this video, this just blew my mind as I didn't know a community replicating gaming hardware in FPGAs existed. Me and a few friends were about to begin a preservation project for arabic-localized computers and this seems to be the perfect way to do it!

  • @little_fluffy_clouds
    @little_fluffy_clouds 2 года назад

    Loved and used the MiSTer since its early days and it has come such a long way. The experimental PSX core blew me away and there's even a SPARCstation core which is able to boot SunOS, Solaris and NEXTSTEP, so not only can I relive the games of my youth, I can also relive the work apps and workstations of my youth. Brilliant.

  • @ricardobornman1698
    @ricardobornman1698 5 лет назад +2

    This is fantastic. Love it.

  • @rachelwindsor850
    @rachelwindsor850 5 лет назад +2

    I love that little Noctua fan on there.
    I'd love to get my hands on one of these at some point. I'm going to keep an eye on it and see if the price drops a bit.

  • @queenbeeautumn
    @queenbeeautumn 4 года назад +2

    I remember being entranced by that Frontier demo when I was a kid, unfortunately I never did actually play the game, may have to pick up one of these to scratch that old forgotten itch :)

  • @SidebandSamurai
    @SidebandSamurai 5 лет назад

    Very cool video, the hardware is simply fantastic. Now I gotta go out and buy one.

  • @TheRetroByte
    @TheRetroByte 4 года назад +1

    Excellent bit of kit. Would love to see this in the Checkmate 1500 👍

  • @mh-jw6gr
    @mh-jw6gr 2 года назад

    New viewer to your channel, and I do like your content! Spaceballs demo, it blew my mind when it was released, and it still does now! :)

  • @EHProjects
    @EHProjects 5 лет назад +4

    I enjoyed the "IT Crowd" reference with the Altair. =)

  • @corgibuttz2550
    @corgibuttz2550 3 года назад

    I about died when you said "wait for it. Double Flash."

  • @MustangFastback
    @MustangFastback 4 года назад +1

    Fantastic video!

  • @RetroRecollections
    @RetroRecollections 5 лет назад +5

    Brilliant overview and review. Devices like this are most certainly the future of emulation. Great value in comparison to devices made by Analogue as you mentioned. Hopefully in the future someone will create add-on boards (for example a cartridge slot) that allow people to use their original games with the MiSTer or it's successor.

    • @KyussTheWalkingWorm
      @KyussTheWalkingWorm 4 года назад

      The obvious difference is that the boards from Analogue come in a nice case that takes real cartridges and controllers, with no setup required. A MiSTer is more powerful and flexible for the price, but it's not quite the same for putting in your living room, for example. Both devices serve slightly different needs.

  • @michelvanbriemen3459
    @michelvanbriemen3459 3 года назад +1

    The moment I was gonna type "I wish FPGAs will have full fat 486 PCs some day" I see Doom and Civilisation.
    FPGA's truly are going places quick.

  • @Asterra2
    @Asterra2 4 года назад +1

    You did a fantastic job of enunciating the tangible appeal of this development. I think the message will really hit home once those 100% certifications start landing and people commence assembling charts to compare latency between the various options: Traditional emulators in their ideal state, official recreations (Nintendo minis), the original hardware, and FPGA. I think people who have relied on standard emulators will be shocked indeed to learn that they've been settling for multi-frame latency for decades. That's going to be the factor that drives the popularity of this approach.

  • @NetrunnerZA
    @NetrunnerZA 4 года назад +3

    This was epic, now send me that flashback game behind you :)

  • @NipkowDisk
    @NipkowDisk 5 лет назад +1

    Noctua fan on the MISTer... that speaks quality right there.

  • @doktor6495
    @doktor6495 4 года назад +5

    A new age of emulators! Great stuff! Greetings, Doktor64!

  • @TheSulross
    @TheSulross 5 лет назад +14

    There was an April Fool's gag about a new Raspberry Pi model with an on-board FPGA - well now, here's the real deal!

    • @bionicgeekgrrl
      @bionicgeekgrrl 4 года назад

      It will need to come down in price by a fair amount for a pi to be viable. They are really keen to keep as close to £35 for the base model as possible and £50 at most.

    • @TheSulross
      @TheSulross 4 года назад +1

      @@bionicgeekgrrl , was listening to some retro podcast past week and recall someone mentioned they were playing around with an FPGA that was much simpler than some ~$200 plus FPGA dev board and was finding it much easy to get started with and learn on...am thinking they were saying was down in the sub $40 range.
      Well, the true magic happens when an ARM SOC and FPGA are mated together on the same board. But even if a Raspberry Pi board with an on-board FPGA cost $60 to $80, there'd be a crazy market for it - especially if it was done in a way for making a much simpler entry into FPGA development (that's where the real revolution needs to happen). Just universities and colleges using them for first year EE students would be big market, but like always it would quickly filter down to high schools and Makers. Would be a new second wave Raspberry Pi revolution - doing for EE digital chip design what the Pi has done for entry into comp sci. and cyber control systems (Maker projects).

  • @aitchpea6011
    @aitchpea6011 5 лет назад +9

    Bypassing Elite's copy protection system - just type INCOMING as the key word every time. It'll work within a half-dozen tries as it doesn't have a very big dictionary

  • @vix_in_japan
    @vix_in_japan 5 лет назад +6

    Loved that sneaky IT Crowd reference :)

  • @RetroChiZ
    @RetroChiZ 5 лет назад +6

    I think what sets this apart from any emulation system is the lag-free experience. It truly is like playing the real thing.

    • @SianaGearz
      @SianaGearz 5 лет назад +1

      Latency is currently finding interesting experimental solutions in software-based emulation - which are theoretically sustainable, so it's not exactly futile. Retroarch supports run-ahead negative latency on some lighter weight cores. Some emulators are experimenting with beam-racing techniques which reduce scanout latency from 1 whole frame to a handful of lines.

  • @petethedrummer
    @petethedrummer 5 лет назад +1

    First time seeing your channel. What a really great video.

    • @RMCRetro
      @RMCRetro  5 лет назад

      Hey thank you for dropping by!

  • @asic_
    @asic_ 5 лет назад +2

    Loved the IT crowd reference!

  • @AdamChristensen
    @AdamChristensen 5 лет назад +27

    Hardware emulation in hardware. It's a fine idea! At the very least, it makes hard to find systems much more accessible.

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 5 лет назад +9

      more importantly, it KEEPS them accessible as the original hardware starts to fail.

    • @MostlyPennyCat
      @MostlyPennyCat 5 лет назад +7

      I wouldn't call it hardware emulation, it's more hardware equivalence, or bootleg.
      If they're copying closed designs it's unlikely they're a gate-for-gate copy, but it is _real_ gate-level hardware.

    • @6581punk
      @6581punk 5 лет назад +4

      Emulation suggests software simulation. But it really does create a hardware equivalent. As much as people can do without having access to the original chip designs.

    • @spikester
      @spikester 4 года назад +2

      @@6581punk People are writing FPGA cores out of die level shots and photos of mask roms... original chip design not always required.

    • @DecibelAlex
      @DecibelAlex 4 года назад +1

      @@spikester
      there's not a whole lot of information you can use from just looking at photos.. you can't see inside a rom, unless you have x-ray vision. did you mean schematics? even if you have all the schematics you still need to read I/O signals. that goes for anything you want to backwards engineer, no matter if you do it in physical form or virtual

  • @custardo
    @custardo 5 лет назад

    FPGA is indeed the way forward (with some caveats), Great video!

  • @PluckyD
    @PluckyD 5 лет назад +1

    Excellent video! Here's to more FPGA solutions for consoles being released. Software emulation was a nice holdover, but I believe this evolution of game preservation is the right direction to go. Hopefully we'll see more powerful SoC's and lower cost in the future.

    • @PluckyD
      @PluckyD 4 года назад

      @TehPsychedelic Not exactly sure what point you are trying to make to whom here lol. "Was" as in we don't HAVE to use them for many 8-bit consoles and (thanks to Kevtris) the two biggest 16-bit consoles as well. Nobody was asserting to throw out your 8th gen consoles because FPGA's are taking over next year...I'm fairly certain everyone else knew I was talking about classic consoles.

    • @PluckyD
      @PluckyD 4 года назад

      @TehPsychedelic No worries, but I'm still hoping an advanced race of aliens visits Earth and gives us the schematics for an accurate N64 FPGA core...guy can dream, right? ;-)

  • @0xc0ffea
    @0xc0ffea 4 года назад

    Just took the plunge in large part down to how you expressed the feel of it. You're right, it feels night and day different from an emulator, emulation had me starting to wonder if I just wasn't any good at the games I played growing up. The feel of cycle exact hardware simulation with no controller lag is quite amazing.

  • @deeiks12
    @deeiks12 5 лет назад +3

    It seems to be worth for just the Amiga emulation only. I've been looking for a 1200 for a while now, but they are getting pretty rare and expensive. this might do the trick. It would be great to have a possibility to use a real amiga keyboard from an amiga with a faulty system board for example. awesome.

  • @ZaPpaul
    @ZaPpaul 4 года назад

    This video swayed me into purchasing the DE-10 Nano and I have now had it for just over 3 months and can only sing its praises. The only thing that bothers is that at the end of the video there was what looked to be the R-Type arcade core, but I have never been able to find it. Other than that, wow! It's an awesome piece of kit and well worth the investment and that's coming from someone that was a Retropie die-hard. Thanks for this video it has changed me and for the better.

    • @Zachiroth04
      @Zachiroth04 4 года назад +1

      Its the TurboGrafx-16 port.

  • @AnimalFacts
    @AnimalFacts 5 лет назад +2

    I know what I'm asking Santa for Christmas.

  • @TheRokkis
    @TheRokkis 4 года назад +3

    I should play Under A Killing Moon through again. Amazing game, amazing acting.

  • @mrreee4685
    @mrreee4685 4 года назад +1

    Cant wait for the Vampire Standalone system to come out, will be a great Amiga FPGA system

  • @eidrag
    @eidrag 4 года назад

    Looking to play old Japanese game on various hardware up until windows 98, when I saw this video, now I'm subscribing, it's exciting to see the future of retro gaming

  • @stestewart1119
    @stestewart1119 3 года назад

    This is the video I needed to see ♥ 👌

  • @hgfhghghgfhfghgfhghg538
    @hgfhghghgfhfghgfhghg538 4 года назад

    This guy is such a gentleman love the channel

  • @gusdelmoba3185
    @gusdelmoba3185 5 лет назад +1

    I have a robotron cabinet. My dad build it in the 80s and i still have it. Need to fix it but that game is fun.

  • @DeputatKaktus
    @DeputatKaktus 5 лет назад +2

    „Intel is wrong - this is for gaming!“
    Made my day. Thank you! ❤️

  • @kbhasi
    @kbhasi 5 лет назад +2

    3 minutes in and I realised why they're using the SoC version of the Cyclone V instead of the regular version, and that could be in order to be able to pull up a configuration OSD from the ARM side!

  • @Stormbolter
    @Stormbolter 4 года назад +4

    "What a GEM this is"

  • @derekfellowes4480
    @derekfellowes4480 5 лет назад +1

    Looks like I’ll be buying one of them 👍

  • @haziqsembilanlima
    @haziqsembilanlima 5 лет назад +1

    I had the chance to use Cyclone II based FPGA board in a limited time. To see a quite affordable (FPGA usually cost more) DE10 board is interesting.

  • @michaelmonstar4276
    @michaelmonstar4276 Год назад

    13:11 - It sounds like when you have a buffer set too low in the audio-processing and you start hearing stutters or crackles. But it's indeed more the effects than the music.

  • @PadPoet
    @PadPoet 5 лет назад +4

    In one word: Yes.

  • @siskavard
    @siskavard 4 года назад

    "Look, I'm proddin' it"
    instant Like & Subscribe

  •  3 года назад

    conversation between a graphics designer and a friend of mine owning an arm archimedes in the early nineties: 'the preview responsiveness is stunning... how long does it take to render what you just did there' 'what's a preview and what do you mean by render?'