Jay, I have used Ubuntu Mate quite a bit, almost all of the display issues/glitches I encountered are due to the Window Manager Compositor and animations being enabled (I'm not a fan of animations). To solve these video glitches in "Mate Tweak" under Windows I turned off animations and changed my Windows Manager to Marco (built-in: Xpresent) and it solved the video glitches. Now I do not have a 4K monitor, just a couple of dual 1080P 24 inch monitors. If you having video glitches I would recommend taking a look at these settings as they "may" work out for you as they did for me in particular the Windows managers as from my experience. "Animations" when enabled in Mate are almost guaranteed to glitch any display from my experience, its not a question of "will it", more like a matter of when, and almost 100% guaranteed if you undock/dock unless you turn off animations.
I've been running MATE (currently version 1.24.1) in Debian (currently version 11) for the last 13 years on a server running continuously. Extremely stable. I've had maybe three crashes over the course of those 13 years.
Hello Jay, from another migraine sufferer. Many people who don't get them just don't seem to appreciate that they are not 'just' a headache! I enjoyed your video and, while I have not tried out Ubuntu Mate, I had a slew of problems with the Kubuntu 22.04. With an AMD processor and GPU, I was not expecting many issues, but things weren't working right from get-go, with error messages and crashes mere minutes after installation. I thought it was a real shame, as I really hoped that Ubuntu would provide the solid KDE experience I required. My daily driver needs to work out the box with the minimum of fuss, so I had to quickly move on. I look forward to the day when you revisit one of the Ubuntu flavours and report that the distro is back to being reliable.
I am also a fan of KDE and was looking for a solid distro with an Ubuntu (or non-Ubuntu Debian) base and i too had some issues with Kubuntu (I'm also running an AMD CPU/GPU). I'm currently running KDE Neon and it's very rare i have any issues whatsoever. It's built on an Ubuntu LTS base by the KDE developers and updates with the latest KDE software which is really nice. It's turned out to be one of the most stable distros i've run on this current hardware. If you're still looking for a Ubuntu based distro and like KDE i would definitely recommend checking out KDE Neon. It's at this point my favorite Ubuntu based distro.
People say not to install the first iteration of a new release. Wait for the .1 update. That's what I'll be doing, waiting for 22.04.1 before upgrading from 20.04.5. I'm glad the quirks didn't make you write the whole distribution off. I've enjoyed Ubuntu MATE for years. I thought about migrating to some other distribution but this one works for me. It is responsive and stable.
This. I connected an external Samsung 4k monitor to my laptop and the screen turned blue. Went to check the settings and one of the sliders for the color was set at something like - 1e14. And it was better to leave it alone once fixed to prevent further (different) issues.
I love Mate', but as you pointed out at the start of the video, it has some annoying little glitches, making it hard to daily drive. If those quirks were fixed, it would be an excellent daily driver. For now, I have switched to Mint's Cinnamon Desktop.
I'm a fan of MATE and have been using that DE on my daily driver. I'm so glad I haven't upgraded to this LTS while I was using Ubuntu. I still use MATE, but have been using Fedora 36 and it's been flawless.
Ubuntu Mate is one of my favorite distros for my Raspberry Pi 400 due to the memory constraints of the Pi400. The only add-on to customize it is the wallpaper. There are tons of awesome wallpapers made by the Ubuntu Mate community. I do a lot of research and writing, so on my 1440P monitor, I have Firefox open along with LibreOffice Writer. I have a 64Gb USB thumb drive. My other Raspberry Pi is an 8Gb that runs Pop OS on an Argon Case with a 240 Gb M.2. I use both as my primary desktop PCs.
I tried Mate 20.04 as my daily. During 4 weeks I had to re-install it 6 times because it decided to not boot. My last install lasted a day and then I ditched it. Also the mate bar liked to disappear and needes a terminal command to restart it. Still a pity they haven't fixed all the issues, it looks nice.
I just upgraded to 22.04, and really disliked gnome 42. I remembered mate, and that's far better for me. I love all the little panel applets! There were many useful ones. It's so easy to configure, I showed family how to configure to the heart's pleasure. The interface is so familiar, it's a dream. There are bugs, but gnome 42 for me was death by a thousand cuts. The upgrade left me unable to get the panel to be configurable. The upgrade also caused me ssh issues, which were solved by creating new credentials. I decided that when the LTS runs out, I'm thinking about hopping to manjaro. Which I put on a virtual machine, and love!
We have to consider that Mate is a quite smaller desktop compared to KDE or Gnome, for how well it runs i can't complain! Gnome is always more buggy for me.
i use ubuntu mate on my alienware laptop which i bought about 2 years ago, it runs very well for me. of course it is a little quirky but worth putting up with. after all, its not like i have to pay a fortune to use it. now that nvidia has open sourced their drivers, those display issues might change. for everyone else not using nvidia graphics, it will work well with linux friendly hardware
It's sad to see these issues with MATE on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS. I really enjoyed MATE years ago on LMDE and Linux Mint, LMDE was usually my top choice but both worked well. Thanks for showing us this. It's interesting to see even though i love KDE Neon these days and rarely have any issues with anything.
I got a headache just listening to the issues that you had to deal with. You made a solid point in how risky it would be to deploy this in a corporate environment.
Since 2020, my go-to distro was Ubuntu Mate. It was a good blend of low-impact UI, with a lot of configuration possibilities. I used the Redmond setting. U.Mate 20.04 performed well on powerful and older computers alike, I sometimes installed for friends. When I tested Ubuntu Mate 22.04 LTS, I was disappointed. These 3 flaws struck me: 1. In the Redmond setting, the Advanced Mate Menu was replaced by the Brisk Menu. But that didn't offer the same possibilities as the AMM. E.g. I noticed that there is no easy way, using the Brisk menu, to add shortcuts to programs to the Redmond layout panel. Why replace something with an less-capable component? 2. Did you know you can't add new users to an existing install of U.Mate 22.04? The module to add users is just missing. I'm curious about the reasoning behind that. 3. No login control. The login screen of Ubuntu Mate 22.04 is now fixed and un-changeable. You can't change the background any more, you can't let people in without password, and you can't hide specific users. All this you could do with the 20.04 old 'Login Window'. The above 3 examples have become breaking points for me. I realise that this may seem petty. 1 & 2 are relatively easy to fix, but why? So despite that I worked U.Mate 20.04 with pleasure, I won't work on 22.04 LTS anymore. My daily driver will become Ubuntu, for low-end machines I'll use Xubuntu. I hope that distro-makers realise that there are more and more people that just want to use the distribution they offer, nothing more. Changes/flaws like these could put people off, chase them away towards another distro, or make them return to Windows/Mac where they came from.
Hay Jay... Love the dig at Linus it was so funny... He is never going to live that down... LOL The thing that got me was you kept a straight face during the whole thing. Although I think I seen some smiling going on in your eyes... :-) I never could get into Mate and I have ran it a few times I just did not get good feelings using it. I'm a single monitor guy because every time I try 2 I have all kind of issues no matter the Distro, so I just gave up and use one! Thanks Jay! LLAP 🖖
I’m not sure why you had this issue? I’m using Lenovo T470s with dock station connected to 32” dual monitors Everything works perfectly . I did use Ubuntu mint and always after updates had issues . I personally would recommend Ubuntu mate Specially for hardware which not very new Since I installed it have not had any issues compared to Ubuntu mint . Maybe the resolution issues that you had are related to the latest hardware drivers.
One thing that bugs me more than it should is language inconsistencies. For example, I pick US English in the installer (and confirm after install) and still have "Favourites" in the menu instead of "Favorites." Maybe it's a small thing, but also something that shouldn't be hard to get right. Edit: I looked at MATE desktop elsewhere as well, and it seems this is a MATE thing, not specific to Ubuntu MATE. Favorites is "Favourites" and Center is "Centre" just to name two.
You didn't say much about your hardware, other than you used multiple displays and one of them was 4k. What GPU were you using - Intel, AMD, Nvidia? If Nvidia, did you use the proprietary drivers or the open source nouveau drivers? I've been using 22.04 Mate with either a AMD Rx580 or a low end Nvidia GT710 (with nouveau driver) and haven't experienced any major display glitches yet, but then I haven't done much yet with multiple monitors and mine are only 2k. I have experienced the occasional marco crash - annoying but fairly rare.
I have been testing out the new Ubuntu Unity version and find it to be better than the Mate version I tried out originally. Like you I had display problems with Mate but the Unity version is working nicely on my old HP laptop.
Love the Mister Rogers sticker on the laptop. He was a deeply religious Christian evangelist and the show was a practical implementation of that moral framework.
My only gripe?...is the coloring...I mean...I get they want to "represent" the green-ness of Mate?...but I would prefer this desktop?..with the "original" Ubuntu colors...so...instead of green highlights?..give me the same highlights the normal "Yaru" colors have...to me?..THAT would be a great reason to install lthis. And yea..I know you can customize the theme?..but if it came out of the box with those colors?..more people I show this to would want to adopt it.
I never understand why people complain about the default theming. It's literally a handful of clicks to switch to the standard Yaru theme and change the wallpaper. Not installing a distro solely because of theming is ridiculous.
I have issues with my setup on basically all distrobutions and desktop environments. I am using an nvidia card and trying to use 2 monitors with different refresh rates, which just doesn't work right with any kind of compositing enabled. The only way I have found to really work around it is either used KDE plasma and tweak a bunch of stuff, or using picom with i3. Its one of the main reasons I haven't been able to use linux as a daily driver on this pc.
Have you tried Debian and enable contrib and non-free repositories? If not, you'll probably have some luck. You might have to try testing or unstable, but you should be pretty good with stable. And probably go with Wayland over xorg.
@@justanotherpxrson lol I do mostly command line stuff, so no bleeding-edge gaming or anything like that. That's what my Xbox is for. You've definitely seen where Linus Torvalds gave NVIDIA the middle finger I'm guessing? Because of problems like yours. Although from what I understand, it's improved quite a bit.
I used Xfce for the past two months.I switched back. Mate feels like home. I have been using Debian Mate for 18 years. Debian Mate does not get the errors that Ubuntu gets. Every Ubuntu i have tried give me errors like in the beginning of the video. Ubuntu is built on Debian. Debian Mate is much faster you just have to install the basics you want.
Ubuntu MATE is my favorite distro. And it's not because I'm Argentine and I like mate... ,The only problem I have is that the keyboard configuration does not remain stable. Every time I boot the system I have to reconfigure it
Just to recap something which I am not that famiar with. What is the difference between Ubuntu Mate and Linux Mint Mater? Except for the theme-ing, it is just an Ubuntu with Mate DE. What about the support? Linux Mint Mate is supported for 5 years, but Ubuntu Mate receives only 3 years?
The MATE desktop project was begun by Clement Lefebvre, the same person who began Linux Mint. Running MATE Desktop on Linux Mint is running it packaged by those who know it best. While Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu, there are 'minty' changes Clem and those contributing to Linux Mint perform that make it a bit different (in my experience more stable) than just plain Ubuntu. Running MATE Desktop on Ubuntu is sort of a weird reverse community thing that's now happened because MATE (generally) works well and people may like it as an option on different distros. Personally i'd probably stick with Linux Mint's MATE experience if i were looking for an Ubuntu based MATE DE. (*LMDE is also great, while it's Debian, it's not based on Ubuntu - Also created / maintained by Clem and the linux mint team).
Ubuntu Mate 22.04 is quite nice. Since I prefer Cinnamon, I use Xubuntu 22.04 with Cinnamon added. (Ubuntu doesn't offer a Cinnamon option. With any distro that doesn't, Cinnamon works just fine over XFCE. It doesn't work to try to install it over standard Ubuntu Gnome.) Enjoyed the video.
It could be a hardware or command line thing, but I installed Cinnamon on my Ubuntu Gnome and had no problems with it, the only problem I encountered was that the option for "TV Adjustments" in the resolution tab wasn't appearing so I had to fix that manually but no problems aside from that
How the heck did you even get Welcome to even launch and work? Ever since the get go it wouldn't even start up at all since it's now a snap ever since this version.
I have Mate in one of my older laptops ( Dell e1505 ) and it works fine, it started out with the 16.04 LTS and I've just did the os upgrade through the years without reinstalling. It's just a nice distro that keeps working for me so I keep it and keep it updated. My main distro is MX Linux for the last 5 years or so. Good review, thank you.
How this distro could be any different? I tried live cd of PopOS latest, and the welcome screen/installer crashed on me every time I boot it. I tried Fedora last year and it broke after 2 days. I have used Mint years ago and had issues too. You are just lucky to not have issues with your other reviews. Just on your pc config you don't have or you will have more or less issues on some distro.
I just installed this on my Raspberry pi literally 6 hours ago, only down side I had was Kodi won't run unlike in the PI os where Kodi takes advantage of some software adapter built into the Pi. Only problem for me with the Pi OS... some software is out of date and Debian hasn't updated them yet. I OC the cpu slightly to help with YT and Vivaldi Browser. This is running very well so far.
Does anyone know how to solve Lutris/Wine crashes in Ubuntu-MATE ? I've tried different win32 games and different versions (wine stable, wine staging, wineGE) 😢
Linux Mint review maybe ? By the way I am on Fedora, tried Pop and Ubuntu and I think for my Laptop on Ubuntu 22.10 will be better fit, or Pop based on 22.10.. So will wating for those although Mint is the least favorite to me in terms of desktop and fealing, but it seams very fast and super responsive, so I don't know, may be i'll try it.. But I will certanly appreceate your opinion. Excuse my bad English and bad typing as well....Your reviews are always honest, and objective and insightfull and this one is not the exception..
@@paddymurphy-oconnor8255 I did watch it and I have no display issues with MATE whatsoever. Thats why I said that Ubuntu and MATE are great. Nothing to doubt here for me, Paddy 💪
It really does run fast . is there any other Ubuntu derivative you can recommend that's just as fast . I know lately mint feels like its running a little slower.
I have used and loved Ubuntu Mate in the past, but the last two times I've tried to install and try it out again, it works only great from love media. Once it is installed, I reboot and get " no operation system found". I tried multiple times to make sure it wasn't a setting in the BIOS or just a glitch on the install but no joy. I have installed multiple other distros and never saw that again. I had to move on. I hope they get it all worked out because it was great to use for so long.
I'm not sure if this is the same problem you had.. but I had a laptop that was already running Ubuntu problem free.. When I installed 22.04 LTS it wouldn't boot after what seemed to be a successful install. I had to change BIOS boot from BIOS to UEFI, then re-install.. worked fine after that. See if that works for you.
@@pfitz4881 I believe I tried that because I had seen that happen before. I may give it a go again at some point though. I really did like the way Ubuntu Mate looked and worked. Thanks for pointing that out. It may eventually help someone else as well.
I did updates on my 2 PC's that have ubuntu 22.4....it took 1.5 HOURS for a simple update. other glitches are stopping in the middle of update, I have linux mint and linux lite on 2 other machines and they have worked flawlessly, Im about done with ubuntu whick I have used for 3-4 years.
I tried Ubuntu mate but ill be damned if i could not find the desktop sharing settings ANYWHERE to allow remote desktop connections. I eventually had to install the gnome desktop so that the option could be found and it still crashed with a "oops..something went wrong!" Error when remote-ing into it.
How can ubuntu mate be 1 major release behind on mate desktop when there no newer releases? Except from 1.26.1 on some parts on mate but that is a minor release and not a major. And it is a favoured desktop by you but you are running pop os? it’s like if i would say i really love pizza but i don’t eat it at all :)
Does anyone know if many of these graphical bugs have been fixed for this LTS? I'm an average/slightly above average computer user and troubleshooting these bugs takes me soooooo long that it usually drives another nail in the coffin for my enthusiasm to use Linux. I don't have the skill to become a master troubleshooter. I can sometimes figure out how to fix these but it takes a lot of out of me and I'll usually revert back to Windows or Mac for my main work while I recover for months from the pain of the Linux error I fixed. I'd like to get Ubuntu Mate 22.04 on a new budget PC I built, but I'm super nervous about these bugs. I kind of equate my computing work with how I like to drive-I don't want a car I need to work on, I just want a Honda that runs well and runs well for hundreds of thousands of miles. Are we there with Ubuntu Mate 22.04, is it a Honda or is it a Volvo? Any insight appreciated.
IMO, the best thing to do is choose a distro you want to work with and test it out / customize it through a virtual machine. When you have it the way you'd like you can export the backup to a live install. Using a VM will sandbox your Linux work from your host OS. Ubuntu's forums and IRC rooms are good places to ask questions.
@@sifatullah3882 "By Mate he ment the DE." Quote by the original commenter (which is factually incorrect): "Mate is one of the best distros out there" My quote in reply (which _is_ factually correct): "Mate is not a distro." "Please stop nitpicking." Please take your own advice because that's what you came here to do in this thread. You're here nitpicking about comments from 5 months ago then asking others (who had already forgot this thread existed) to stop nitpicking.
Thank You for the video. Running a Linux desktop was always a nightmare due to keyboard settings. I never found the right keyboard to match my physical keyboard.
I use this specifically because it runs great on a 1024x768 CRT monitor. Regular Ubuntu is less than ideal. I wouldn't on a newer screen. But it's not for nobody.
This news about Ubuntu 22.04 MATE bugs is really disappointing. I was looking forward to getting this running but it sounds like these issues still aren't fixed. I'm pretty sure all of Ubuntu's "flavor dev" teams are volunteer / unpaid so it's hard to know when these things will ever be resolved. Too bad because with a concerted push, Ubuntu MATE could easily outshine the parent distro IMHO.
it lacks activities overview, accessability options like mouse cursor resizing, large text, window animation is not impressive, for some reason the installation seems to create a mirror image of the whole drive which ends up taking up double space. I notied this when checking the mate system monitor. Looked further into it by opening storage space analyzer and find that its something names like a firefox cache which does not make any sense. Bright slider is hidden under power which means more clicks to that. One other big thing is it looks like it does not support gnome extensionsfor further customization. Software botique lacks many software and inbuilt screen capture does not have option to crop. So fari noticed these things, but i guess ill live with that. it does look nice and runs chrome and most of the time im in chrome so.
i use mate on mint21 with no display prblems, its no need for ubuntu mate better linuxmint with mate and the mintinstall software center is much better with hundreds off apps also old apps that i use since zeven os5 based on ubuntu 12.04
@@ArniesTech Ubuntu is run by Cannonical. Ubuntu Mate (and all the other ubuntu alts like xubuntu, lubuntu etc) is not but instead uses volunteers instead with some rules (the alts have to use snaps) but use ubuntu as the base, as do many other ubuntu based distros like Zorin and Mint.
I have no special love for LTT yet the Linus slam wasn't necessary dude. I was surprised you did that...........especially giving that we all know what happened.
Yeah that he can't read, use a website or even copy and paste content off a browser page. By his own admission he doesn't like to RTFM, which led to his servers crashing several times.
Oh, the joy of being unable to deliver singletons under Linux, when even Windows 3.1 learned that trick... Try to open the network setting several times, it's going to be fun..🤣
Ubuntu Mate just looks unfinished. Linux Mint does a way better implementation of Mate. I wish Ubuntu Mate learns from Mint. The Software Boutique is just totally garbage it has no function at all.
Have you actually watched your own actual videos to actually hear how many actual times you use the actually worthless word “actually”? I actually think you actually set an actual record this (actual) time.
I wouldn't quite say that but it's not a popular distro anymore, and Mate is by far the least used Linux Mint version. People either go with Cinnamon or XFCE as Mate seems to get lost in the middle.
Jay,
I have used Ubuntu Mate quite a bit, almost all of the display issues/glitches I encountered are due to the Window Manager Compositor and animations being enabled (I'm not a fan of animations).
To solve these video glitches in "Mate Tweak" under Windows I turned off animations and changed my Windows Manager to Marco (built-in: Xpresent) and it solved the video glitches. Now I do not have a 4K monitor, just a couple of dual 1080P 24 inch monitors.
If you having video glitches I would recommend taking a look at these settings as they "may" work out for you as they did for me in particular the Windows managers as from my experience. "Animations" when enabled in Mate are almost guaranteed to glitch any display from my experience, its not a question of "will it", more like a matter of when, and almost 100% guaranteed if you undock/dock unless you turn off animations.
Thanks a lot for that i am going to try it out on i3 6500 with these configurations. Thanks a lot for them!
I've been running MATE (currently version 1.24.1) in Debian (currently version 11) for the last 13 years on a server running continuously. Extremely stable. I've had maybe three crashes over the course of those 13 years.
its extremely rare and i feel very good to find indians using linux, wearent only the one
Hello Jay, from another migraine sufferer. Many people who don't get them just don't seem to appreciate that they are not 'just' a headache! I enjoyed your video and, while I have not tried out Ubuntu Mate, I had a slew of problems with the Kubuntu 22.04. With an AMD processor and GPU, I was not expecting many issues, but things weren't working right from get-go, with error messages and crashes mere minutes after installation. I thought it was a real shame, as I really hoped that Ubuntu would provide the solid KDE experience I required. My daily driver needs to work out the box with the minimum of fuss, so I had to quickly move on. I look forward to the day when you revisit one of the Ubuntu flavours and report that the distro is back to being reliable.
I am also a fan of KDE and was looking for a solid distro with an Ubuntu (or non-Ubuntu Debian) base and i too had some issues with Kubuntu (I'm also running an AMD CPU/GPU). I'm currently running KDE Neon and it's very rare i have any issues whatsoever. It's built on an Ubuntu LTS base by the KDE developers and updates with the latest KDE software which is really nice. It's turned out to be one of the most stable distros i've run on this current hardware. If you're still looking for a Ubuntu based distro and like KDE i would definitely recommend checking out KDE Neon. It's at this point my favorite Ubuntu based distro.
What is migraine? Does it come from the fact we spend whole time on our PC?
People say not to install the first iteration of a new release. Wait for the .1 update. That's what I'll be doing, waiting for 22.04.1 before upgrading from 20.04.5. I'm glad the quirks didn't make you write the whole distribution off. I've enjoyed Ubuntu MATE for years. I thought about migrating to some other distribution but this one works for me. It is responsive and stable.
Did you have a chance to test out the Ubuntu Mate 22.04.1 ?
It saddens me that mate, lxqt, and even xfce kinda fall apart once a second monitor is applied.
Hopefully the transition to wayland fixes this.
Yeah man 😔
lxqt and xfce work fine for me
This. I connected an external Samsung 4k monitor to my laptop and the screen turned blue. Went to check the settings and one of the sliders for the color was set at something like - 1e14.
And it was better to leave it alone once fixed to prevent further (different) issues.
I love Mate', but as you pointed out at the start of the video, it has some annoying little glitches, making it hard to daily drive. If those quirks were fixed, it would be an excellent daily driver. For now, I have switched to Mint's Cinnamon Desktop.
Same here. But I'm not sure if I should upgrade to 21 vinessa yet .
@@sifatullah7568 I will wait until I get an actual upgrade notice, that usually happens after they shake out the bugs that made it to release.
@@javabeanz8549 Ok I'll fo the same then. Btw is there any performance improvements in 21 or just looks and features?
@@sifatullah7568 The BlueTooth stack has been replaced, supposed to be a big improvement there, otherwise, I would check reviews.
I'm a fan of MATE and have been using that DE on my daily driver. I'm so glad I haven't upgraded to this LTS while I was using Ubuntu. I still use MATE, but have been using Fedora 36 and it's been flawless.
I have been using Ubuntu mate 22.04 on a Raspberry Pi 4 8G. Like it very well so far.
Finally i hear someone pronounce Ubuntu correctly, 99% of people pronounce it wrong
Ubuntu Mate is one of my favorite distros for my Raspberry Pi 400 due to the memory constraints of the Pi400. The only add-on to customize it is the wallpaper. There are tons of awesome wallpapers made by the Ubuntu Mate community. I do a lot of research and writing, so on my 1440P monitor, I have Firefox open along with LibreOffice Writer. I have a 64Gb USB thumb drive. My other Raspberry Pi is an 8Gb that runs Pop OS on an Argon Case with a 240 Gb M.2. I use both as my primary desktop PCs.
I've been running Ubuntu Mate on older hardware for a few years now without any major issues. It's fast and lightweight and performs very well for me.
Exactly my experience. Ubuntu Mate worked well for my hardware 💪🙏
I tried Mate 20.04 as my daily. During 4 weeks I had to re-install it 6 times because it decided to not boot. My last install lasted a day and then I ditched it.
Also the mate bar liked to disappear and needes a terminal command to restart it.
Still a pity they haven't fixed all the issues, it looks nice.
I just upgraded to 22.04, and really disliked gnome 42. I remembered mate, and that's far better for me.
I love all the little panel applets! There were many useful ones. It's so easy to configure, I showed family how to configure to the heart's pleasure. The interface is so familiar, it's a dream.
There are bugs, but gnome 42 for me was death by a thousand cuts. The upgrade left me unable to get the panel to be configurable.
The upgrade also caused me ssh issues, which were solved by creating new credentials.
I decided that when the LTS runs out, I'm thinking about hopping to manjaro. Which I put on a virtual machine, and love!
We have to consider that Mate is a quite smaller desktop compared to KDE or Gnome, for how well it runs i can't complain!
Gnome is always more buggy for me.
Modern GNOME is the worst DE.
i use ubuntu mate on my alienware laptop which i bought about 2 years ago, it runs very well for me. of course it is a little quirky but worth putting up with. after all, its not like i have to pay a fortune to use it. now that nvidia has open sourced their drivers, those display issues might change. for everyone else not using nvidia graphics, it will work well with linux friendly hardware
It's sad to see these issues with MATE on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS. I really enjoyed MATE years ago on LMDE and Linux Mint, LMDE was usually my top choice but both worked well. Thanks for showing us this. It's interesting to see even though i love KDE Neon these days and rarely have any issues with anything.
Great presentation. Thank you for the time and effort you took to make this video and share it with us. Greetings from Croatia.
I got a headache just listening to the issues that you had to deal with. You made a solid point in how risky it would be to deploy this in a corporate environment.
Because he didn't wait for the first point release that addressed his issues.
Since 2020, my go-to distro was Ubuntu Mate. It was a good blend of low-impact UI, with a lot of configuration possibilities. I used the Redmond setting. U.Mate 20.04 performed well on powerful and older computers alike, I sometimes installed for friends.
When I tested Ubuntu Mate 22.04 LTS, I was disappointed. These 3 flaws struck me:
1. In the Redmond setting, the Advanced Mate Menu was replaced by the Brisk Menu. But that didn't offer the same possibilities as the AMM. E.g. I noticed that there is no easy way, using the Brisk menu, to add shortcuts to programs to the Redmond layout panel. Why replace something with an less-capable component?
2. Did you know you can't add new users to an existing install of U.Mate 22.04? The module to add users is just missing. I'm curious about the reasoning behind that.
3. No login control. The login screen of Ubuntu Mate 22.04 is now fixed and un-changeable. You can't change the background any more, you can't let people in without password, and you can't hide specific users. All this you could do with the 20.04 old 'Login Window'.
The above 3 examples have become breaking points for me. I realise that this may seem petty. 1 & 2 are relatively easy to fix, but why?
So despite that I worked U.Mate 20.04 with pleasure, I won't work on 22.04 LTS anymore. My daily driver will become Ubuntu, for low-end machines I'll use Xubuntu.
I hope that distro-makers realise that there are more and more people that just want to use the distribution they offer, nothing more. Changes/flaws like these could put people off, chase them away towards another distro, or make them return to Windows/Mac where they came from.
Hay Jay... Love the dig at Linus it was so funny... He is never going to live that down... LOL
The thing that got me was you kept a straight face during the whole thing. Although I think I seen some smiling going on in your eyes... :-)
I never could get into Mate and I have ran it a few times I just did not get good feelings using it.
I'm a single monitor guy because every time I try 2 I have all kind of issues no matter the Distro, so I just gave up and use one!
Thanks Jay!
LLAP 🖖
I’m not sure why you had this issue?
I’m using Lenovo T470s with dock station connected to 32” dual monitors
Everything works perfectly .
I did use Ubuntu mint and always after updates had issues .
I personally would recommend Ubuntu mate
Specially for hardware which not very new
Since I installed it have not had any issues compared to Ubuntu mint .
Maybe the resolution issues that you had are related to the latest hardware drivers.
Love the dig at Linus :)
One thing that bugs me more than it should is language inconsistencies. For example, I pick US English in the installer (and confirm after install) and still have "Favourites" in the menu instead of "Favorites." Maybe it's a small thing, but also something that shouldn't be hard to get right.
Edit: I looked at MATE desktop elsewhere as well, and it seems this is a MATE thing, not specific to Ubuntu MATE. Favorites is "Favourites" and Center is "Centre" just to name two.
You didn't say much about your hardware, other than you used multiple displays and one of them was 4k. What GPU were you using - Intel, AMD, Nvidia? If Nvidia, did you use the proprietary drivers or the open source nouveau drivers? I've been using 22.04 Mate with either a AMD Rx580 or a low end Nvidia GT710 (with nouveau driver) and haven't experienced any major display glitches yet, but then I haven't done much yet with multiple monitors and mine are only 2k. I have experienced the occasional marco crash - annoying but fairly rare.
For Wimpy and team's good work, always the distro, if I need to introduce new users.
I have been testing out the new Ubuntu Unity version and find it to be better than the Mate version I tried out originally. Like you I had display problems with Mate but the Unity version is working nicely on my old HP laptop.
Love the Mister Rogers sticker on the laptop. He was a deeply religious Christian evangelist and the show was a practical implementation of that moral framework.
My only gripe?...is the coloring...I mean...I get they want to "represent" the green-ness of Mate?...but I would prefer this desktop?..with the "original" Ubuntu colors...so...instead of green highlights?..give me the same highlights the normal "Yaru" colors have...to me?..THAT would be a great reason to install lthis. And yea..I know you can customize the theme?..but if it came out of the box with those colors?..more people I show this to would want to adopt it.
I never understand why people complain about the default theming. It's literally a handful of clicks to switch to the standard Yaru theme and change the wallpaper. Not installing a distro solely because of theming is ridiculous.
I have issues with my setup on basically all distrobutions and desktop environments. I am using an nvidia card and trying to use 2 monitors with different refresh rates, which just doesn't work right with any kind of compositing enabled. The only way I have found to really work around it is either used KDE plasma and tweak a bunch of stuff, or using picom with i3. Its one of the main reasons I haven't been able to use linux as a daily driver on this pc.
Have you tried Debian and enable contrib and non-free repositories? If not, you'll probably have some luck. You might have to try testing or unstable, but you should be pretty good with stable. And probably go with Wayland over xorg.
@@liquidmobius you cant use wayland with an nvidia gpu in terms of gaming.
@@justanotherpxrson I wasn't aware of that. I don't use NVIDIA, so admittedly I don't know much about the tweaks for Linux.
@@liquidmobius its okay. be very glad you don't use nvidia for linux...
@@justanotherpxrson lol I do mostly command line stuff, so no bleeding-edge gaming or anything like that. That's what my Xbox is for. You've definitely seen where Linus Torvalds gave NVIDIA the middle finger I'm guessing? Because of problems like yours. Although from what I understand, it's improved quite a bit.
Thanks for the information in this video Jay. Have you noticed that some of these issues were resolved in 22.10?
I used Xfce for the past two months.I switched back. Mate feels like home. I have been using Debian Mate for 18 years. Debian Mate does not get the errors that Ubuntu gets. Every Ubuntu i have tried give me errors like in the beginning of the video. Ubuntu is built on Debian. Debian Mate is much faster you just have to install the basics you want.
Ubuntu MATE is my favorite distro. And it's not because I'm Argentine and I like mate... ,The only problem I have is that the keyboard configuration does not remain stable. Every time I boot the system I have to reconfigure it
Just to recap something which I am not that famiar with. What is the difference between Ubuntu Mate and Linux Mint Mater? Except for the theme-ing, it is just an Ubuntu with Mate DE. What about the support? Linux Mint Mate is supported for 5 years, but Ubuntu Mate receives only 3 years?
out of the box Windows like Design
The MATE desktop project was begun by Clement Lefebvre, the same person who began Linux Mint. Running MATE Desktop on Linux Mint is running it packaged by those who know it best. While Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu, there are 'minty' changes Clem and those contributing to Linux Mint perform that make it a bit different (in my experience more stable) than just plain Ubuntu.
Running MATE Desktop on Ubuntu is sort of a weird reverse community thing that's now happened because MATE (generally) works well and people may like it as an option on different distros. Personally i'd probably stick with Linux Mint's MATE experience if i were looking for an Ubuntu based MATE DE. (*LMDE is also great, while it's Debian, it's not based on Ubuntu - Also created / maintained by Clem and the linux mint team).
Ubuntu Mate 22.04 is quite nice. Since I prefer Cinnamon, I use Xubuntu 22.04 with Cinnamon added. (Ubuntu doesn't offer a Cinnamon option. With any distro that doesn't, Cinnamon works just fine over XFCE. It doesn't work to try to install it over standard Ubuntu Gnome.) Enjoyed the video.
It could be a hardware or command line thing, but I installed Cinnamon on my Ubuntu Gnome and had no problems with it, the only problem I encountered was that the option for "TV Adjustments" in the resolution tab wasn't appearing so I had to fix that manually but no problems aside from that
Why not just use linux mint
You can install Cinnamon on top of MATE, Ubuntu Cinnamon flavor is a few years away due to Canonical rules.
Thanks for the top notch Linux content!
How the heck did you even get Welcome to even launch and work? Ever since the get go it wouldn't even start up at all since it's now a snap ever since this version.
I have Mate in one of my older laptops ( Dell e1505 ) and it works fine, it started out with the 16.04 LTS and I've just did the os upgrade through the years without reinstalling. It's just a nice distro that keeps working for me so I keep it and keep it updated. My main distro is MX Linux for the last 5 years or so. Good review, thank you.
How this distro could be any different? I tried live cd of PopOS latest, and the welcome screen/installer crashed on me every time I boot it. I tried Fedora last year and it broke after 2 days. I have used Mint years ago and had issues too. You are just lucky to not have issues with your other reviews. Just on your pc config you don't have or you will have more or less issues on some distro.
I just installed this on my Raspberry pi literally 6 hours ago, only down side I had was Kodi won't run unlike in the PI os where Kodi takes advantage of some software adapter built into the Pi.
Only problem for me with the Pi OS... some software is out of date and Debian hasn't updated them yet.
I OC the cpu slightly to help with YT and Vivaldi Browser.
This is running very well so far.
Very informative, enjoyed watching ...
ubuntu mate is great but i agree its bugy. i have problems with the brisk menu and panels crashing.
I love clear looks themes for this gtk. I remember those days of Debian Squeezy...
To me it sounds like schedule and launch date was more important than quality, when will they learn.
what is ur daily driver flavor?
Does anyone know how to solve Lutris/Wine crashes in Ubuntu-MATE ? I've tried different win32 games and different versions (wine stable, wine staging, wineGE) 😢
at first i tought oh man how was i missing out on this beauty but then i realised this is the same hodge podge as noobara is
Linux Mint review maybe ? By the way I am on Fedora, tried Pop and Ubuntu and I think for my Laptop on Ubuntu 22.10 will be better fit, or Pop based on 22.10.. So will wating for those although Mint is the least favorite to me in terms of desktop and fealing, but it seams very fast and super responsive, so I don't know, may be i'll try it.. But I will certanly appreceate your opinion. Excuse my bad English and bad typing as well....Your reviews are always honest, and objective and insightfull and this one is not the exception..
Amazing idea. Ubuntu 22.04 is amazing, MATE is amazing. 💪😎
@@paddymurphy-oconnor8255 I did watch it and I have no display issues with MATE whatsoever. Thats why I said that Ubuntu and MATE are great. Nothing to doubt here for me, Paddy 💪
This iteration of Ubuntu has been my daily Linux driver OS of choice since 16.10 :) I really feel for you re the issues.
It really does run fast . is there any other Ubuntu derivative you can recommend that's just as fast . I know lately mint feels like its running a little slower.
I have used and loved Ubuntu Mate in the past, but the last two times I've tried to install and try it out again, it works only great from love media. Once it is installed, I reboot and get " no operation system found". I tried multiple times to make sure it wasn't a setting in the BIOS or just a glitch on the install but no joy. I have installed multiple other distros and never saw that again.
I had to move on. I hope they get it all worked out because it was great to use for so long.
I'm not sure if this is the same problem you had.. but I had a laptop that was already running Ubuntu problem free.. When I installed 22.04 LTS it wouldn't boot after what seemed to be a successful install. I had to change BIOS boot from BIOS to UEFI, then re-install.. worked fine after that. See if that works for you.
@@pfitz4881 I believe I tried that because I had seen that happen before. I may give it a go again at some point though. I really did like the way Ubuntu Mate looked and worked. Thanks for pointing that out. It may eventually help someone else as well.
I did updates on my 2 PC's that have ubuntu 22.4....it took 1.5 HOURS for a simple update. other glitches are stopping in the middle of update, I have linux mint and linux lite on 2 other machines and they have worked flawlessly, Im about done with ubuntu whick I have used for 3-4 years.
Tried it and liked it but the investment in time to cure that putrid green splash and login screen saw it immediately replaced with Solus Mate...
You know, I've been installing Alma Linux server with GUI and that GUI is Gnome. I love Gnome, but I wish Mate was an option. I mean, it's Gnome 2!
My Mate ran great still love it.
The wallpaper is awesome 🤣
it would be great if it has the classic gnome 2 menu... application places and system
I tried Ubuntu mate but ill be damned if i could not find the desktop sharing settings ANYWHERE to allow remote desktop connections. I eventually had to install the gnome desktop so that the option could be found and it still crashed with a "oops..something went wrong!" Error when remote-ing into it.
Now I'll just SSH into it using Putty instead, to run updates.
You got a good chuckle out of me with the LTT comment, ROFL!
How can ubuntu mate be 1 major release behind on mate desktop when there no newer releases? Except from 1.26.1 on some parts on mate but that is a minor release and not a major. And it is a favoured desktop by you but you are running pop os? it’s like if i would say i really love pizza but i don’t eat it at all :)
Does anyone know if many of these graphical bugs have been fixed for this LTS? I'm an average/slightly above average computer user and troubleshooting these bugs takes me soooooo long that it usually drives another nail in the coffin for my enthusiasm to use Linux. I don't have the skill to become a master troubleshooter. I can sometimes figure out how to fix these but it takes a lot of out of me and I'll usually revert back to Windows or Mac for my main work while I recover for months from the pain of the Linux error I fixed. I'd like to get Ubuntu Mate 22.04 on a new budget PC I built, but I'm super nervous about these bugs. I kind of equate my computing work with how I like to drive-I don't want a car I need to work on, I just want a Honda that runs well and runs well for hundreds of thousands of miles. Are we there with Ubuntu Mate 22.04, is it a Honda or is it a Volvo? Any insight appreciated.
IMO, the best thing to do is choose a distro you want to work with and test it out / customize it through a virtual machine. When you have it the way you'd like you can export the backup to a live install. Using a VM will sandbox your Linux work from your host OS. Ubuntu's forums and IRC rooms are good places to ask questions.
Mate is one of the best distros out there, the Mate DE is easy and powerful to use :D
Mate is not a distro.
@@folksurvival By Mate he ment the DE. He knows what MATE is because he already said "the Mate DE is easy....". Please stop nitpicking.
@@sifatullah3882
"By Mate he ment the DE."
Quote by the original commenter (which is factually incorrect): "Mate is one of the best distros out there"
My quote in reply (which _is_ factually correct):
"Mate is not a distro."
"Please stop nitpicking."
Please take your own advice because that's what you came here to do in this thread. You're here nitpicking about comments from 5 months ago then asking others (who had already forgot this thread existed) to stop nitpicking.
@@folksurvival 👏🏼👏🏼
I would love to see Mint with Vanilla Gnome
You can install vanilla raw GNOME on Mint easily 🙏
Thank You for the video. Running a Linux desktop was always a nightmare due to keyboard settings. I never found the right keyboard to match my physical keyboard.
First Point Release launched on the 11th so you should give it another go.
I use this specifically because it runs great on a 1024x768 CRT monitor. Regular Ubuntu is less than ideal. I wouldn't on a newer screen. But it's not for nobody.
This news about Ubuntu 22.04 MATE bugs is really disappointing. I was looking forward to getting this running but it sounds like these issues still aren't fixed. I'm pretty sure all of Ubuntu's "flavor dev" teams are volunteer / unpaid so it's hard to know when these things will ever be resolved. Too bad because with a concerted push, Ubuntu MATE could easily outshine the parent distro IMHO.
Thank you very much!
As mate drink so fresh,great distro..
it lacks activities overview, accessability options like mouse cursor resizing, large text, window animation is not impressive, for some reason the installation seems to create a mirror image of the whole drive which ends up taking up double space. I notied this when checking the mate system monitor. Looked further into it by opening storage space analyzer and find that its something names like a firefox cache which does not make any sense. Bright slider is hidden under power which means more clicks to that. One other big thing is it looks like it does not support gnome extensionsfor further customization. Software botique lacks many software and inbuilt screen capture does not have option to crop. So fari noticed these things, but i guess ill live with that. it does look nice and runs chrome and most of the time im in chrome so.
Thank you linex tv
It seems like the MATE DE struggles with HiDPI support. Because I had a seamless experience with it and I don't use HiDPI
never seen any of those bugs
No problems with Mint Mate
I have already thrown Windows into history, retired. I am already using the very good linux ubuntu mate 22.04.
It works like a rocket.
i use mate on mint21 with no display prblems, its no need for ubuntu mate better linuxmint with mate and the mintinstall software center is much better with hundreds off apps also old apps that i use since zeven os5 based on ubuntu 12.04
mate support wayland 🤔
Ma Ta hmm I read it as Mate like friend or two lovers mate. seems more simple to say verses Ma Ta
I love Mate BUT the screen scaling ruined my experience.. i struggle alot to make it 120% or 150% and with some tweak the screen and fonts look odd.
8:40 😂😂😂
Downsides is the longest part of this video. That is enough for anyone.
I agree that i have been educated here.
Ubuntu LTS releases used to be very high quality (of any flavour). Now it seems they are rushed out to hit the release date at time :-(
Do not confuse Ubuntu Mate 22.04LTS with Ubuntu 22.04LTS. Completely different dev teams. 🙏
@@ArniesTech Ubuntu is run by Cannonical. Ubuntu Mate (and all the other ubuntu alts like xubuntu, lubuntu etc) is not but instead uses volunteers instead with some rules (the alts have to use snaps) but use ubuntu as the base, as do many other ubuntu based distros like Zorin and Mint.
I have no special love for LTT yet the Linus slam wasn't necessary dude. I was surprised you did that...........especially giving that we all know what happened.
Yeah that he can't read, use a website or even copy and paste content off a browser page. By his own admission he doesn't like to RTFM, which led to his servers crashing several times.
Ubuntu gives you the features of a bleeding edge Linux distribution including all of the bugs.
i love kubuntu over it
LMAOOOOO 8:41
Linux Mint gang stand up!
Oh, the joy of being unable to deliver singletons under Linux, when even Windows 3.1 learned that trick...
Try to open the network setting several times, it's going to be fun..🤣
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Ubuntu Mate just looks unfinished. Linux Mint does a way better implementation of Mate. I wish Ubuntu Mate learns from Mint. The Software Boutique is just totally garbage it has no function at all.
... Mate 22.04 Look is very ugly, icons ???Not to mention the missing Advanced Mate Menu ... I have always used Ubuntu Mate ... I use Mint Mate ...
Have you actually watched your own actual videos to actually hear how many actual times you use the actually worthless word “actually”? I actually think you actually set an actual record this (actual) time.
Who's the first here?
Who gives a s*** ???
@@Biker999s Typically people write "First". So I just asked. Why were you offended?
The creator of this video.
Mate is a distro that needs to be retired
I wouldn't quite say that but it's not a popular distro anymore, and Mate is by far the least used Linux Mint version. People either go with Cinnamon or XFCE as Mate seems to get lost in the middle.