Some political marriages were comsumated. Theodora Kantakouzene was a Byzantine princess, the daughter of Emperor John VI Kantakouzenos and the fifth wife of the Ottoman Sultan Orhan Gazi. They had son Halil. The marriage between Bayezid I and Olivera also. She was his favorite wife. They probably had two or three daughters. So there were exceptions.
Hi there. I totally forgot about Theodora and Orhan!! Yes, you are right.This is actually to only proven case when royal marriage was consumated. I agree with you that Olivera was Bayezid's favorite but there is still no valid proof that the daughters were hers. Ofc we don't know what they really did behind the closed doors. But it would be risky for the reasons I wrote. Pozdrav!
Regarding consummation of marriage, I think that Bayezid I was not a person who was afraid of the risk .😊 It is certain, and approaches from the historical sources of the Byzantine historian Doukas, that she accompanied him on a military campaigns and that she waited for him in military camps. About their relationship and daughters there are souces : 1.Hadîdî (1991). Tevârih-i Al-i Osman (1299-1523). 2) Hoca Sadeddin Efendi (1974). Tâcü’t Tevârih I. Haz. 3) Felix Tauer, “Continuation du Ẓafarnāma de Niẓāmuddin Šāmī par Ḥāfiẓ-i Abrū. Editée d’après les manuscrits de Stamboul,” 4) Mileva Olivera Lazarevic- Mustafa Çağhan Keskin. 5) Sakaoğlu N. Bu mülkün kadın sultanları. - İstanbul: Oğlak Yayıncılık, 2015. I would also like to add that of the 16 Bayazid children, only three of his sons are reliably known, that they were sons of his first wife Devlet.
@@realwomenoftheottomanempireyou missed sultan Abdulmejid i of Ottoman Empire in this list who was married Perestu valide sultan and Bezmiara kadin legally🇹🇷!
Sultan Ahmed I also married a woman from a pasha that never entered The Harem but she died very early. But her daughter survived and was taken care by Kosem.
@@realwomenoftheottomanempire it was not a legal marriage. She was known as Fatma Haseki/Fatma Sultan or Fatma Hatun. She had a daughter with Sultan Ahmed I , her name was Abide Sultan (1618 - 1648) not much is known about her,Abide got married in 1642. She was born after Sultan Ahmed I death.
Some say she was a gift from Kuyucu Murad Pasha and gifted Fatma to Sultan Ahmed I , or maybe she was Murad Pasha's biological or adopted daughter. Fatma Hatun was either his first wife or last one. But many people deny her and many say that she existed. Because Sultan Ahmed I had many children in such short time. In 14 years he had 23 kids and more,its not possible to have all those kids only by Mahfiruze Hatun or Kosem Sultan. There must of been this Fatma Hatun and some other unkown concubine or maybe some kids were not royal blood (meaning they were adopted) or maybe were mistaken for cousines or sister/half-sisters and brothers/half-brothers of Sultan Ahmed I.
Also another cases of disputed marriages,such as Murad III and Safiye and Ahmed I and Kosem: Osman II who may have been legally married to Meylishah(Meleksima) Hatun and anonymous granddaughter of Pertev Pasa, and Mustafa III to Aynulhayat Kadin. And I think there are also other disputed marriages in the early period of the empire,and in the late period of the empire.
And what about sultan Abdulmejid i of Ottoman Empire, Rahime perestu valide sultan, and Bezmiara kadin,they were also legally married after Ottoman sultan Ibrahim-Humasah sultan and sultan Mustafa III of Ottoman Empire-Aynulhayat kadin, right 🇹🇷🤔?
I am rewatching your videos again so expect comments, haha! Question: Do you personally believe that Safiye and Kosem were married to their spouses? I know you mentioned contradictory sources, but given that Murad and Ahmed did not want their women to have too much influence on them, would it be more likely that they did not marry them because that would have given them more power+
I am happy that you are rewatching!Thank you!! It means a lot to me❤️ Murad didn't have problem to let Safiye have power. After the exile he let her have the power. In october 1585 the venetian baylo recived a message from Safiye's kira (Esther) that Ayse Sultan (Safiye's daughter) will be married off and that the sultan himself will marry Safiye. The baylo send then chairs as a wedding gift and Safiye thanked him in a letter. This is kinda the only proof that historians found. Later in 1586 an venetian senator sended congratulations and Safiye thanked him. About Kösem.. idk.. The only proof is an letter where she refer to herself as the "wife" of the late sultan. Actually, the problem is that the word she used, hasn't been 100% transleted. Maybe it means wife, maybe consort... Idk what the word was. I think Safiye married but Kösem.. I'm not sure what to thinks
On the records I think there are 6 woman who actually got married to the Sultan (Hurrem, Nurbanu, Kosem, Ayse, Humasah) and I've also seen several sources claiming Gulnus Sultan was also legally married to Mehmed and I also know Safiye was never married to Murad. But, in order to make this clear, actual records about legal marriages only refer to Hurrem, Nurbanu, Ayse and Humasah right? I mean, we are 100% sure only for these 4...
Hürrem, Nurbanu, Hümasah married Do you mean Ayse, Haseki of Murad IV? They didn't got married Kösem eventually got married, the only proof is a letter where she called herself the wife of the late sultan. Also the word she used wasn't "wife" for sure, it hasn't been clearly transleted. Safiye, tbh I think that they got married in the end, there are letters where she thanked for the gifts and the wishes. But it's not necessery a proof. Gülnüs wasn't married, she was the Haseki who had the pewer of the "original" Hasekies
Some political marriages were comsumated. Theodora Kantakouzene was a Byzantine princess, the daughter of Emperor John VI Kantakouzenos and the fifth wife of the Ottoman Sultan Orhan Gazi. They had son Halil. The marriage between Bayezid I and Olivera also. She was his favorite wife. They probably had two or three daughters. So there were exceptions.
Hi there. I totally forgot about Theodora and Orhan!! Yes, you are right.This is actually to only proven case when royal marriage was consumated. I agree with you that Olivera was Bayezid's favorite but there is still no valid proof that the daughters were hers. Ofc we don't know what they really did behind the closed doors. But it would be risky for the reasons I wrote. Pozdrav!
@@realwomenoftheottomanempire Thanks for reply. Pozdrav i vama 🥰
Regarding consummation of marriage, I think that Bayezid I was not a person who was afraid of the risk .😊 It is certain, and approaches from the historical sources of the Byzantine historian Doukas, that she accompanied him on a military campaigns and that she waited for him in military camps. About their relationship and daughters there are souces : 1.Hadîdî (1991). Tevârih-i Al-i Osman (1299-1523).
2) Hoca Sadeddin Efendi (1974). Tâcü’t Tevârih I. Haz. 3) Felix Tauer, “Continuation du Ẓafarnāma de Niẓāmuddin Šāmī par Ḥāfiẓ-i Abrū. Editée d’après les manuscrits de Stamboul,”
4) Mileva Olivera Lazarevic- Mustafa Çağhan Keskin.
5) Sakaoğlu N. Bu mülkün kadın sultanları. - İstanbul: Oğlak Yayıncılık, 2015.
I would also like to add that of the 16 Bayazid children, only three of his sons are reliably known, that they were sons of his first wife Devlet.
@@realwomenoftheottomanempireyou missed sultan Abdulmejid i of Ottoman Empire in this list who was married Perestu valide sultan and Bezmiara kadin legally🇹🇷!
@@kishorek2272 Not really forgot. But their marriages did not took place because of a needed alliance, neither were they slaves
Sultan Ahmed I also married a woman from a pasha that never entered The Harem but she died very early. But her daughter survived and was taken care by Kosem.
Ahmed I did not marry any other woman. I have never read such a thing. Which Pasha? What was the name and I keed sources
@@realwomenoftheottomanempire it was not a legal marriage. She was known as Fatma Haseki/Fatma Sultan or Fatma Hatun. She had a daughter with Sultan Ahmed I , her name was Abide Sultan (1618 - 1648) not much is known about her,Abide got married in 1642. She was born after Sultan Ahmed I death.
Some say she was a gift from Kuyucu Murad Pasha and gifted Fatma to Sultan Ahmed I , or maybe she was Murad Pasha's biological or adopted daughter. Fatma Hatun was either his first wife or last one. But many people deny her and many say that she existed. Because Sultan Ahmed I had many children in such short time. In 14 years he had 23 kids and more,its not possible to have all those kids only by Mahfiruze Hatun or Kosem Sultan. There must of been this Fatma Hatun and some other unkown concubine or maybe some kids were not royal blood (meaning they were adopted) or maybe were mistaken for cousines or sister/half-sisters and brothers/half-brothers of Sultan Ahmed I.
Also another cases of disputed marriages,such as Murad III and Safiye and Ahmed I and Kosem:
Osman II who may have been legally married to Meylishah(Meleksima) Hatun and anonymous granddaughter of Pertev Pasa, and Mustafa III to Aynulhayat Kadin.
And I think there are also other disputed marriages in the early period of the empire,and in the late period of the empire.
And what about sultan Abdulmejid i of Ottoman Empire, Rahime perestu valide sultan, and Bezmiara kadin,they were also legally married after Ottoman sultan Ibrahim-Humasah sultan and sultan Mustafa III of Ottoman Empire-Aynulhayat kadin, right 🇹🇷🤔?
3:02 Ibrahim I (Ibrahim The First)* .
Not Ibrahim II (Ibrahim The Second).
I know it's an typo
I am rewatching your videos again so expect comments, haha!
Question: Do you personally believe that Safiye and Kosem were married to their spouses? I know you mentioned contradictory sources, but given that Murad and Ahmed did not want their women to have too much influence on them, would it be more likely that they did not marry them because that would have given them more power+
I am happy that you are rewatching!Thank you!! It means a lot to me❤️ Murad didn't have problem to let Safiye have power. After the exile he let her have the power. In october 1585 the venetian baylo recived a message from Safiye's kira (Esther) that Ayse Sultan (Safiye's daughter) will be married off and that the sultan himself will marry Safiye. The baylo send then chairs as a wedding gift and Safiye thanked him in a letter. This is kinda the only proof that historians found. Later in 1586 an venetian senator sended congratulations and Safiye thanked him.
About Kösem.. idk.. The only proof is an letter where she refer to herself as the "wife" of the late sultan. Actually, the problem is that the word she used, hasn't been 100% transleted. Maybe it means wife, maybe consort... Idk what the word was. I think Safiye married but Kösem.. I'm not sure what to thinks
I just wanna know the background
what do you mean with backround? Music or the reasons for the marriage?
@@realwomenoftheottomanempire I would like to know the name of this beautyful song, please
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On the records I think there are 6 woman who actually got married to the Sultan (Hurrem, Nurbanu, Kosem, Ayse, Humasah) and I've also seen several sources claiming Gulnus Sultan was also legally married to Mehmed and I also know Safiye was never married to Murad. But, in order to make this clear, actual records about legal marriages only refer to Hurrem, Nurbanu, Ayse and Humasah right? I mean, we are 100% sure only for these 4...
Hürrem, Nurbanu, Hümasah married
Do you mean Ayse, Haseki of Murad IV? They didn't got married
Kösem eventually got married, the only proof is a letter where she called herself the wife of the late sultan. Also the word she used wasn't "wife" for sure, it hasn't been clearly transleted.
Safiye, tbh I think that they got married in the end, there are letters where she thanked for the gifts and the wishes. But it's not necessery a proof.
Gülnüs wasn't married, she was the Haseki who had the pewer of the "original" Hasekies