By popular demand, we've made the orion top half available as STL on our patreon. So all patreon members get him for free: www.patreon.com/squidmarminiatures
Seriously.... you fixed the one thing that kept me from byuing the model and now you even make it available to your Patreons? Awesome, there's another 100 bucks out of my pocket :D You are amazing, thanks!
Is there a time limit on when we have to join to receive this benefit? I’m overwhelmed by how awesome your tweak is to this model. I absolutely love Orion and was pretty bummed to see that the new model wasn’t specifically him reborn when the leaked silhouette was so clearly perfect for him. Amazing project! Hopefully I can get this STL so I can make my own King in the Woods!!!
I remember high elves and wood elves being very popular back in the days. Before hating elves for no reason became a popular sport between fantasy aficionados.
Fun facts, a lot of the well known RUclipsrs painters are Wood Elves fans (Miniac, Squidmar, just to put two names).Should I had that it was my army also back in the days? ^^
Squidmar inspired me to try mini painting. I'm now waiting for my stuff to be delivered, and I'm so excited! I hope that's a hobby that can also help me integrate here in Europe. I'm looking forward to making new friends, hopefully
Both miniature painting and gaming are great ways to make friends. Be aware that most groups are quite different from each other, so don't judge the whole hobby from experiences with one particular group.
Incredible sculpt, build & paint! This is prime miniature art and thank you for bringing this into life! I think AoS is a prime ground for artists to go wild like this.
Yeah I’m with you, that’s a fantastic model, but it feels like such a cop-out to just stick another tree guy on top. Could have at least given him a more unique head or Orion’s goat legs and antlers or something!
The model is stolen from Rackham Confrontation's art, just like most of the new aos stuff is ripped off other companies. The minds behind that game are 3rd rate at best.
We live in the golden age of wargaming, where you can fully replace half a model with a custom sculpt that you prefer over the stock one. Incredible stuff!
Wonderful conversion! I love that Belthanos and Alarielle are the only fully-fleshed elves in your army. It really makes the revenants feel more ethereal and ghostly by comparison.
Omg the entire beginning feels like we were the same kid ahah. I love that you should all this ! I still have the army book. Orion was like a dream. Also I was disappointed in the same way. I'm not a huge fan of the AOS versions, they look too much alike each others and unspired, to "warcraft" in the sculpt. You did well with fixing it!
Amazing! I love the 3d print, it feels modern and fits in with the current Sylvaneth range's beauty and etherealness while still feeling like Orion! Of course, the paint job is amazing as always, I'm especially blown away by how shiny and reflective, iridescent almost, it looks!
Absolutely love this! My Orion is one of my favourite models, and I was so sad when this model was announced and felt like a disappointing follow up/ reboot of him, so it's great to see him fixed!
Hey Squidmar I have a challenge/experiment for you guys, you being very talented miniature painters this should be easy. My challenge : pick up a classic kind of Airfix or Revell military model of either 1/72 or 1/48 scale and make something that instead of being a nice artistic interpretation of a thing to make it as photo realistic as humanly possible. It seems to me that many a hobbyists are under the notion that photo realism is unattainable yet the classic modelists have been doing it for decades as what drew me personally into Warhammer 40k for example was my humble classic kind of modeling hobby, and while everything is fine and dandy with being super artsy and solving everything in almost van gogh-ish surreal contrasts overlorded by the color wheel and non metallic metal techniques
I feel you, I was in tthe EXACT same boat. I think that the reason is The Old World, they don't want too many overlaping minis and I'm now convinced we'll see Orion in the old world.
Oh man, you really saved the model! I felt the same thing you did when I saw the official pictures.... So seeing your version brings a smile to my face 🙂
the way you do sponsors are actually genious. continue with the video on the right while doing the ad on the left. if youre not interested in the ad you can just continue watching on the left. that way people dont skip the ad portion. :)
That’s incredibly cohesive fits into the model absolutely perfectly he easily could have made that I doubt people would even think it’s a conversion if they didn’t know
Yea that's what I was thinking it looks a bit too feminine for my tastes I get Elves are a bit feminine but he was more Demigod/Fawn than Elf in the original sculpt.
The only thing good about AoS is the sculpts as they are extremely dynamic, detailed, flowing, brilliant for a shelf or diorama. But utterly unplayable on the table as game pieces as they are to fragile to transport outside a padded tank and scale creep has made them to large to fit on a mortal kitchen table.
I’ve mentioned this on h@s page, but I’ll mention it here too I purchased the evolution in black from you guys, and I am super excited for it to come in about two years ago. I found this channel while trying to get into miniature painting you got me into it you taught me a bunch of techniques which I would’ve never learned on my own, and most importantly you first convinced me to buy an airbrush with your original airbrush videos. After purchasing that airbrush I missed out on the first evolution but you’re damn right I caught the second one.
Well, Orion may return via The Old World. That would explain why this model was created with almost the same lore: To avoid using the same model for two different games.
I have the reposed one and he is still one of my miniatures I keep on display. I gave him an extra showpiece base you can remove him from with a mirror lake and all... I was really sad when he wasn't playeable any more. I like the 3D print but to me the shape of his face still isn't quite Orion. I remember Orion with quite a broad cheekline and more square jawline. Like a really big guy. A bulldozer😂
I found the complaint rather childish and inconsistent. Ok, it's not the fantasy fan's model, but this isn't Warhammer fantasy, it's Sigmar and the model is gorgeous.
For the glaaaade! As a Wood Elves Ever Fan, and Sylvaneth collector I share your same disappointment for Belthanos, and I wanted to convert it myself! Subscribed to Patreon to get the amazing STL, thanks for the generous gift!
Fantastic job. Wood elf spirits in the Sylvaneth range aren't my cup of tea( I do like Druanti, but much prefer the Kurnoths and Dryads ) but I would have gone with a full body replacement with Fawn legs. Orion looks more like a creature of the forest than a tree itself, and would have gone even better with the Wild Hunt characters. The giant insect is impressive, but I would rather convert a normal Kurnoth Hunter so that it's positioned on top of forest terrain. Not sure if Belthanos is the same size though...
I agree 100% here. One thing that has kept me from diving into Sylvaneth is that I think it misses the wood elf existence. I understand making it more high fantasy / nature-themed, but I definitely preferred the elf version. There is still hope for Orion. If I recall correctly, one of the newest harbinger books has Alairelle talking with Kroak about giving up the search and Kroak tells her to not give up hope
If those are the ones I'm thinking of, it was definitely a crime to replace them. They did something similar with the Necron Flayed Ones - original models were great and the resculpts that replaced them were horrendous. They came back and made up for the mistake with even better sculpts later, but the 2nd string of Flayed Ones should have never happened. Let's hope they bring the Daemonettes back to sexy.
I literally just got Belthanos a week ago and was about to build him before watching this video! Where can I get the STL so I can convert him to Orion as well?
Absolutely Awesome! And also if you don't mind me asking a question, what is the easiest way to strip paint from ugly old minis? T-röd? I'm asking since we've recently bought some tabletop game with minis for my kids and I got a tiny bit excited and wanted to try painting some with them, and you spoke about you repainting models numerous times, so before we ruin my kids minis I thought we'd (at least me) testrun a bit on my old uggos I started out with a looong time ago (haven't painted any in at least 20+ years).
This is one of the best videos I have ever seen in my life, you just make me love more this hobby we all share and get a lot of motivation to keep pushing my projects, thank you
I liked the original model, but only because I wasn't going to use him for Sylvaneth. I added skulls and painted it in blood and bone colors to use it as a daemon.
People make such fuss about spray priming in the cold, but there Squidmar goes straight out into the snow, so I guess it’s really not that big of a deal 😂
Hi there! Fellow Swede here! Love your videos! But now I got some questions... If I want to get into miniature painting and want to focus on making pieces to help "materialise" my low budget home games of Dnd...what should I focus my money on. Is it paint, brushes or is it the quality of the miniatures that should be prioritised? Or should I rather focus on terrain? Is there anywhere (in Sweden!?) I can buy single miniatures after 'my specs'? Say that I would like a young human spellcaster male? Or a beefy knight lady? Or do I have to buy sets of miniatures and then go from there and do my own remodeling? How should I go about this? All help/ guidance would be welcome here!
I do not agree whatsoever, tree people rule, if all the Death armies weren't so damn perfect I'd paint and play Sylvaneth for sure, and I used to paint wood elves and lizardmen back in the day!
I think this a great one for those who were in love with the Wood Elves. I never got to play Fantasy so I have no attachment to the wood elves other than what got transferred over to AoS. Im definitely in the camp that prefers the tree on bug haha. The tree/bug aesthetic was the appeal to me when started Sylvaneth a couple years ago. Im not too much into elves unless we are talking Tolkien. I like it has the satyr design with a tree lower half. I actually would reallly like that in the Sylvaneth aesthetic since their warcry warband has Satyrs. Going further with it, I think it would be interesting to see the Sylvaneth evolve more with the the beastial side of the faction even so much as creating hybrids of tree and satyr/centaur units
Belthanos is beautiful…(as someone who is currently putting one together lol) and it’s honestly the best model I’ve ever built and will paint. (Have a killer back log to get through first tho lol)
i loved bro , but about the lore i think i saw somewhere ,orion metamorphosis happend due a preparation for war and he was unleashed sadly i do not remember were
What does immortal mean? Isn't ToV a low historical fantasy with great realism? There cannot be gods and immortals there, otherwise the lives of ordinary peasants are not important?
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By popular demand, we've made the orion top half available as STL on our patreon. So all patreon members get him for free: www.patreon.com/squidmarminiatures
Seriously.... you fixed the one thing that kept me from byuing the model and now you even make it available to your Patreons? Awesome, there's another 100 bucks out of my pocket :D You are amazing, thanks!
Is there a time limit on when we have to join to receive this benefit?
I’m overwhelmed by how awesome your tweak is to this model. I absolutely love Orion and was pretty bummed to see that the new model wasn’t specifically him reborn when the leaked silhouette was so clearly perfect for him.
Amazing project! Hopefully I can get this STL so I can make my own King in the Woods!!!
@@PaulyC1989 it will be online the for an unforeseeable future
NICE! you definitely did fix it.
So few people started as wood elves so it is rare that I get to relive so much nostalgia. Great video.
I remember high elves and wood elves being very popular back in the days. Before hating elves for no reason became a popular sport between fantasy aficionados.
Fun facts, a lot of the well known RUclipsrs painters are Wood Elves fans (Miniac, Squidmar, just to put two names).Should I had that it was my army also back in the days? ^^
I agree. I still have the forest dragon, it's my most prized nostalgic mini.
@@PomaiKajiyama Nostalgia is especially strong among 12 year old Total War consumers.🖕
Love this Emil, great work! Also for anyone wondering the song at 8:30 is Arc de Soleil (great choice editor!)
You’re a legend
Squidmar inspired me to try mini painting. I'm now waiting for my stuff to be delivered, and I'm so excited! I hope that's a hobby that can also help me integrate here in Europe. I'm looking forward to making new friends, hopefully
Both miniature painting and gaming are great ways to make friends. Be aware that most groups are quite different from each other, so don't judge the whole hobby from experiences with one particular group.
Good luck and be patient, I'm sure you'll make some great friends and develop some great skills!
...don't be too hard on yourself if things don't look like you want! Welcome and enjoy the journey
thiiiiiiiiiiiin your paints
@@MaybeLater82 thanks! I'm trying my best to enjoy the ride. I'll leave excellence to Squidmar
Don't often comment but truly, that is a labor of love! It's magnificent.
Incredible sculpt, build & paint! This is prime miniature art and thank you for bringing this into life! I think AoS is a prime ground for artists to go wild like this.
Yeah I’m with you, that’s a fantastic model, but it feels like such a cop-out to just stick another tree guy on top. Could have at least given him a more unique head or Orion’s goat legs and antlers or something!
The model is stolen from Rackham Confrontation's art, just like most of the new aos stuff is ripped off other companies. The minds behind that game are 3rd rate at best.
We live in the golden age of wargaming, where you can fully replace half a model with a custom sculpt that you prefer over the stock one. Incredible stuff!
Amazing results. Love how you honored the original but upgraded it with modern flair.
I had a big Wood Elf army back in the day. I love this call-back to the classic Orion miniature. 👏
I was dumb enough to sell it... I was young, not into Warhammer Battle anymore, wanted some cash... Stupid mistake
Wonderful conversion! I love that Belthanos and Alarielle are the only fully-fleshed elves in your army. It really makes the revenants feel more ethereal and ghostly by comparison.
OMG THIS IS PERFECT!! I just pre-ordered that box and I was trying to figure out how to kitbash it to improve it!
Hopefully they will post that 'Orion' up for sale in the store :)
Omg the entire beginning feels like we were the same kid ahah. I love that you should all this ! I still have the army book. Orion was like a dream. Also I was disappointed in the same way. I'm not a huge fan of the AOS versions, they look too much alike each others and unspired, to "warcraft" in the sculpt. You did well with fixing it!
The sculpt and your paintjob elevates this model so much! It looks way better than the tree-revenant in my opinion. Great work!!
I love this channel. You guys put out solid content.
Wow much MUCH better! Amazing!
Great narrative, concept, collaboration and paint job :)
Beautiful work! I LOVE the glowing orange eyes
Fantastic! what an amazing sculpt! great paint job as always. keep up the work, this is the best inspiration. Tack
Amazing! I love the 3d print, it feels modern and fits in with the current Sylvaneth range's beauty and etherealness while still feeling like Orion! Of course, the paint job is amazing as always, I'm especially blown away by how shiny and reflective, iridescent almost, it looks!
As always the paint job is stunning, I love the sculpt and now you've made me want to buy one!!
me too, i would also buy the sculpt and try to convert it as well. any chance we can get our hands on this????
Absolutely love this! My Orion is one of my favourite models, and I was so sad when this model was announced and felt like a disappointing follow up/ reboot of him, so it's great to see him fixed!
Hey Squidmar I have a challenge/experiment for you guys, you being very talented miniature painters this should be easy. My challenge : pick up a classic kind of Airfix or Revell military model of either 1/72 or 1/48 scale and make something that instead of being a nice artistic interpretation of a thing to make it as photo realistic as humanly possible. It seems to me that many a hobbyists are under the notion that photo realism is unattainable yet the classic modelists have been doing it for decades as what drew me personally into Warhammer 40k for example was my humble classic kind of modeling hobby, and while everything is fine and dandy with being super artsy and solving everything in almost van gogh-ish surreal contrasts overlorded by the color wheel and non metallic metal techniques
I feel you, I was in tthe EXACT same boat. I think that the reason is The Old World, they don't want too many overlaping minis and I'm now convinced we'll see Orion in the old world.
Oh man, you really saved the model! I felt the same thing you did when I saw the official pictures.... So seeing your version brings a smile to my face 🙂
Great rescue. I´m 100% in agreement on the model. I loved the old Woodelves and thought their new model was weird.
the way you do sponsors are actually genious. continue with the video on the right while doing the ad on the left. if youre not interested in the ad you can just continue watching on the left. that way people dont skip the ad portion. :)
SUCH A GREAT CHANGE !!! NOW he looks correct. LOVE IT !!!
That’s incredibly cohesive fits into the model absolutely perfectly he easily could have made that I doubt people would even think it’s a conversion if they didn’t know
Absolutely awesome mini. Keep up the good work.
that feels like straight from your heart.
5:25 Swedish saying translated directly to English. Nice
Awesome !
I was also especting the king of athel loren return and you just did it !
Nice job! Definetely better looking than the official model. That's why this hobby is great- You can remake the fails into gems.
it looks absolutely incredible!! wow. amazing job!
Always love your skin tones. The best!
Nooo, I liked the muscled Orion! He looked like a unit who can actually take on demons.
Yea that's what I was thinking it looks a bit too feminine for my tastes I get Elves are a bit feminine but he was more Demigod/Fawn than Elf in the original sculpt.
It’s the non binary Orion that no one has been craving…
Very very Great Model convertion
I'm impressed and the colour scheme is so beautiful
Orion demands tribute from the squidmar store before you can enter his forest
That is Good customer service❤
The miniature is just FANTASTIC
Wow that's an in-depth dive into the lore !
I really fancied tree-people but your love for fleshy wood elves is contagious.
Lovely !
That army is so beautiful! Love it!
That’s amazing. You’ve done something I was trying to figure out how to do man❤. Well done to the sculptor and I best get on the Patreon
Wow, that is truly inspired! Can tell that was from the heart
The only thing good about AoS is the sculpts as they are extremely dynamic, detailed, flowing, brilliant for a shelf or diorama.
But utterly unplayable on the table as game pieces as they are to fragile to transport outside a padded tank and scale creep has made them to large to fit on a mortal kitchen table.
Thats a really great model. Pairs so nicely with the existing range and the old ones.
Hey that's my Orion at 0:54! 😍❤️🥰
I am praying for a real new Orion in The Old World!
I’ve mentioned this on h@s page, but I’ll mention it here too I purchased the evolution in black from you guys, and I am super excited for it to come in about two years ago. I found this channel while trying to get into miniature painting you got me into it you taught me a bunch of techniques which I would’ve never learned on my own, and most importantly you first convinced me to buy an airbrush with your original airbrush videos. After purchasing that airbrush I missed out on the first evolution but you’re damn right I caught the second one.
Well, Orion may return via The Old World. That would explain why this model was created with almost the same lore: To avoid using the same model for two different games.
He looks so much better than the original. What a great homage! Great work sculptor and Squidmar!
Thx, 🥰
I have the reposed one and he is still one of my miniatures I keep on display. I gave him an extra showpiece base you can remove him from with a mirror lake and all... I was really sad when he wasn't playeable any more.
I like the 3D print but to me the shape of his face still isn't quite Orion. I remember Orion with quite a broad cheekline and more square jawline. Like a really big guy. A bulldozer😂
I found the complaint rather childish and inconsistent. Ok, it's not the fantasy fan's model, but this isn't Warhammer fantasy, it's Sigmar and the model is gorgeous.
For the glaaaade! As a Wood Elves Ever Fan, and Sylvaneth collector I share your same disappointment for Belthanos, and I wanted to convert it myself! Subscribed to Patreon to get the amazing STL, thanks for the generous gift!
Fantastic job.
Wood elf spirits in the Sylvaneth range aren't my cup of tea( I do like Druanti, but much prefer the Kurnoths and Dryads ) but I would have gone with a full body replacement with Fawn legs. Orion looks more like a creature of the forest than a tree itself, and would have gone even better with the Wild Hunt characters.
The giant insect is impressive, but I would rather convert a normal Kurnoth Hunter so that it's positioned on top of forest terrain. Not sure if Belthanos is the same size though...
I agree 100% here. One thing that has kept me from diving into Sylvaneth is that I think it misses the wood elf existence. I understand making it more high fantasy / nature-themed, but I definitely preferred the elf version. There is still hope for Orion. If I recall correctly, one of the newest harbinger books has Alairelle talking with Kroak about giving up the search and Kroak tells her to not give up hope
Wood elves are so generic though, I just don't understand it. They were boring.
@@odeegrotsniffer4166you misspelled sylvaneth.
Nice work! I too miss proper Wood Elves...
Join the growing oldhammer communities.
@@presarioman It's an oxymoron: 0ldhammer fans never welcome new people. Otherwise, their hobby ceases to be elite.
@@Vasily_Kotickovitch funny joke.
lovely! Really takes me back to the oldhammer days.
I definitely prefer your version! Nice job!
Looks so darn good! Would love to have seen a video on goddess on top beetle, looks incredible!
Yesss I love AOS! Thank you for sharing this :) ❤
The biggest mistake was stopping the 3 edition daemonettes.
If those are the ones I'm thinking of, it was definitely a crime to replace them.
They did something similar with the Necron Flayed Ones - original models were great and the resculpts that replaced them were horrendous. They came back and made up for the mistake with even better sculpts later, but the 2nd string of Flayed Ones should have never happened.
Let's hope they bring the Daemonettes back to sexy.
@@Vesdus I totally agree with you. If it ain't broken, you ain't fix it.
I literally just got Belthanos a week ago and was about to build him before watching this video! Where can I get the STL so I can convert him to Orion as well?
Well make it available later, I think we might make him free to all Patreons
the whole setup looks so good all together !
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you.
GW's biggest mistake? Ready for a video where one squidmar brings back Mordheim into production. Oh, I guess a great project video is ok too :)
Absolutely Awesome!
And also if you don't mind me asking a question, what is the easiest way to strip paint from ugly old minis?
T-röd?
I'm asking since we've recently bought some tabletop game with minis for my kids and I got a tiny bit excited and wanted to try painting some with them, and you spoke about you repainting models numerous times, so before we ruin my kids minis I thought we'd (at least me) testrun a bit on my old uggos I started out with a looong time ago (haven't painted any in at least 20+ years).
Some could argue that the end time was game workshop biggest mistake, nice video
I love my wood elves, and as soon as I saw this, I managed to finish assembling my Orion models lol.
This is one of the best videos I have ever seen in my life, you just make me love more this hobby we all share and get a lot of motivation to keep pushing my projects, thank you
Thank you for saying what paint you're using!!
4:35 Dafuqqqqq GW
10:00 You did well In Honoring the Spirit of the Woodelves!
Definitely an upgrade, damn good call.
I liked the original model, but only because I wasn't going to use him for Sylvaneth.
I added skulls and painted it in blood and bone colors to use it as a daemon.
People make such fuss about spray priming in the cold, but there Squidmar goes straight out into the snow, so I guess it’s really not that big of a deal 😂
Hi there! Fellow Swede here! Love your videos! But now I got some questions...
If I want to get into miniature painting and want to focus on making pieces to help "materialise" my low budget home games of Dnd...what should I focus my money on. Is it paint, brushes or is it the quality of the miniatures that should be prioritised? Or should I rather focus on terrain?
Is there anywhere (in Sweden!?) I can buy single miniatures after 'my specs'? Say that I would like a young human spellcaster male? Or a beefy knight lady? Or do I have to buy sets of miniatures and then go from there and do my own remodeling?
How should I go about this? All help/ guidance would be welcome here!
Seeing as oldworld is coming back he’ll probably come back with that
do you have more footage of this army? Looks really cool
A much better miniature mate. Amazing!!
Hot take: Wood Elves > Tree people. They were just perfect!
Not really a hot take haha
Strong disagree
people with pointy ears vs living trees? Kind of a whack take.
I do not agree whatsoever, tree people rule, if all the Death armies weren't so damn perfect I'd paint and play Sylvaneth for sure, and I used to paint wood elves and lizardmen back in the day!
@@antoniogonzalez4252 nah they are cool but there is no variety. Remember you used to have Sylvaneth AND Wood elves. Now it is just half of the pie!
Your friends sculpt and your paint job look so much better than the original
I think this a great one for those who were in love with the Wood Elves. I never got to play Fantasy so I have no attachment to the wood elves other than what got transferred over to AoS. Im definitely in the camp that prefers the tree on bug haha. The tree/bug aesthetic was the appeal to me when started Sylvaneth a couple years ago. Im not too much into elves unless we are talking Tolkien. I like it has the satyr design with a tree lower half. I actually would reallly like that in the Sylvaneth aesthetic since their warcry warband has Satyrs. Going further with it, I think it would be interesting to see the Sylvaneth evolve more with the the beastial side of the faction even so much as creating hybrids of tree and satyr/centaur units
what brushes do you use sir?
We've got our own brushes that we make together with davinci, we have them on our website
@@SquidmarMiniatures thanks pal I will check them out :) hope you ship to the UK :)
@@Seekeroftruth191 absolutely:)
Belthanos is beautiful…(as someone who is currently putting one together lol) and it’s honestly the best model I’ve ever built and will paint. (Have a killer back log to get through first tho lol)
Fantastic video! More like this please!
Love the great content keep it up guys ❤❤
Excellent as always. Who chooses your music?
Great video! What putty did you use for the gap? Thanks!
War dancers were always the most iconic WE minis, right back to 3rd.
It looks amazing! ❤
When we see the final result it become SO obvious it should have been this way. Congrats
Tbh, based on underworlds band, I could imagine Orion's independent faction. Something between beastmans and kurnoths
Touché! Got me diving deep into nostalgia. Orion was THE guy! Your conversion looks s o g o o d
Honestly I prefer the change.
Thank you for your honesty
Very enjoyable ❤
Emil why have you not do the legs like the old version ??
Belthanos sounds like they "Keyser Söze"d the name.
WOAH, AWESOME ORION. THIS IS THE WAY
i loved bro , but about the lore i think i saw somewhere ,orion metamorphosis happend due a preparation for war and he was unleashed sadly i do not remember were
Belthanos or Bust my dudes
we going to get Orion in The Old World anyway being quasi immortal
What does immortal mean? Isn't ToV a low historical fantasy with great realism? There cannot be gods and immortals there, otherwise the lives of ordinary peasants are not important?