Google search dropped me here and I was thoroughly impressed and pleased with the content! I'm researching product solutions for setting up a PtP bridge from my house to my workshop/remote office about 400 feet line-of-sight away. Your video was very helpful in getting me up to speed on the NanoStations. Thanks!
Chris I love your channel, but there are a few things you goofed up in this video. I counted three times that you missed notices that there are firmware upgrades. 8.5.4 was released on 23 May and your units are using 8.4.2. With the max speed, you are only going to see the max speeds in one direction. You were testing duplex on the internal speed test. On my NanoBeam AC Gen2 I just tested transmit and receive separately. I had 450 Mbps and 500 Mbps averages and peaked at 556.96 Mbps. My duplex wasn't much better than yours at 285/186 Mbps average. As others have mentioned, try running parallel streams in iperf. Try something like -P 4 and see if you get better speed. I know this makes a difference with Unifi APs, I haven't personally tried on AirMax devices. Also, when you were doing the speed tests, were you still only getting 100 FDX on one of the cables. That is the connections speed that was showing in UNMS, and you never mentioned anything else. I've learned a lot from your videos. Hopefully me comments help with clearing some issue up in this video.
I have installed both sides of a bridge using Loco to Loco in the attics of two buildings with a very loud signal and 250mbps throughput. I even have a subdivision of 40 homes and a 45' fiber fed tower with prism ac isos and half of the homes have litebeams in the attics with great signal, balanced chains, and plenty of throughput. Funny how some with a good line of sight can still have problems communicating while purposely putting one in the attic can work fine!
I want to express my deepest gratitude to you, for these excellent academies, you are a born teacher, thanks to your lessons and tutorials we have been able to put into operation several networks of cameras outside the main buildings.
Just a thank you! Set up a bridge with these this morning. It went smoothly because of this video. A follow on video on tuning and power settings would be a great sequel.
The varying and low throughput speed indoors could be due to the signals being reflected by the walls and furniture and causing more disturbing signals than useful ones. The same distance outdoors could deliver more reliable results. And Chris, I like your videos! I learned a lot from you. Great Job.
Thanks Chris for this video.. It was around July when I installed a set of these for a friend Now doing the same for a church.. Thanks for this video. Mainly a video guy who does IT on the side.. Your help is well welcomed..
These are half-duplex devices, but you’re running a full-duplex iperf. Half-duplex radios can only transmit or receive at any given time. They can never both simultaneously To do that you need two parallel radios operating on different frequencies, which is how the AirFiber24 works. So you are in fact getting more than 300 Mbps throughput. UBNT, and most other outdoor wireless providers, advertise the highest throughout you can get with send and receive combined. This is how they could advertise 150 Mbps on the original Nanostation M5 despite it having only 100BaseT interfaces (75 Mbps in each direction).
Btw I was checking that too and ipert is NOT doing full duplex test. In iperf2 there was option -d for duplex test, but that is not possible with iperf3. You need run 2 clients, one with -r (reverse) to do that. You can confirm that bcs for duplex test 2 ports on each side need to be used. I believe reason for low speed on iperf is that Ubiquiti is doing firmware optimized rather for slower but stable multiple data streams than for single fast stream (as opposed to Linksys, Netgear etc). To confirm that do iperf with -w 1M -P 4
You're right, you have to manually test in the other direction using the -R, run in reverse mode (server sends, client receives). So I'm not sure why he's getting such poor performance on a half-duplex test. Multiple streams shouldn't matter, because the radio is a layer 2, hence stateless, pipe. It could be a limitation of his test computer, or a port/speed duplex negotiation issue.
Actually, Ubiquiti's advertised specs for the M5 say "150+ Mbps", which is about 75 Mbps in both directions. 300 Mbps would be impossible with 10/100 Ethernet ports, regardless of MIMO. The NanoStation AC5 has an advertised throughput of 450+ Mbps, but to get that you would have to configure 80 Mbps channel width 2x2 MIMO (which is the way this testing was done). I suspect that the slow speeds in this test are due to either limitations of the test computers, or port/speed duplex mismatch on one side or the other. Speed/duplex mismatch is a very common problem we see in field deployments, which is why I usually hardcode GigE on both the switch and radio at each end.
I think the idea is 300 Mbps is best possible, never reachable on distance, that's why duplex 100 LAN port is enough (which give you 200 Mbps in both ways together). However I got 170 Mbps on M5s with built-in speedtest, in single direction, on 40 MHz channel.
For people losing the connection at 11:22 and not getting access anymore. You need to set your ip4 settings so you can access the device still. There is video by VIP vision that explains that well.
The reason for the really bad performance when testing in the room is all the reflections you're getting. You can't test this way without using an RF chamber. Also, you're likely over saturating the RF detectors due to high dB settings. I see that in your test you were showing -47 dBm in the dashboard, which is very hot. This is definitely not desirable in the real world. We like to adjust P2P power settings to settle out at -60 dBm, which is much less intense. At the 100' distance you're running, you should be running at the lowest possible power setting. Even that may not be low enough, given that you have high gain antennas at both ends. So if your signal is still hotter than -60dBm, then you're just too close. Unlike an omni antenna, the gain antenna is concentrating all the power in a single direction. It's quite possible that the shortest efficient distance for these radios might be 500' or more.
my ac loco PtP can sustain around 280Mbps. i did it when they were 5 meters apart today. tomorrow i am gonna try around 50 meters apart. testing method is copying a 400MB iso from a windows share folder. stable speed was around 33.5 MB/s.
To get a long range the antenna lobe must be like a spike. So when you are close to it you are not in the field of the lobe. Two solutions: If you are using it in close distance, then their antenna must point exactly at each other, mayby in mm-range. Else make a bigger distance between them to get a bigger spread of RF
I'd have to agree with David Rickett because the receive power is too high. I set a couple of Nanos up for a client last week and using the speed test got symmetrical 254Mbps which was a bit higher that expected because the promised 450Mbps is aggregate throughput i.e. the sum of tx and rx. The best way to set power levels with the new FW is to use the Automatic Power control in wireless settings. Set this to the desired receive level and both radios will adjust power automatically. In the case of your Nano link it would lower it to -4dBm minimum and still be in the -40dBm RX RSSI range. The other thing to watch is the delta dBm next to the signal indication (difference between V and H polarity). If delta dBm is green the link is well aligned and providing you are not overpowered you should get max throughput no problem. BTW enjoy your channel, you're one of the best on YT.
I just installed 2 x NanoStation AC's @ approx 45 feet apart, 15 feet in the air, using auto-power. This turned the TX power down to -4 dBm right away. With no way to turn the power down more I ended up with a signal of -48 and a noise floor of -86 dBm, resulting in a speed test of 250Mbps receive and 175Mbps send (for both AP and Station sides). I guess the throughput is lower when they are closer (and the power can't be turned down more). Chris, I wonder if your throughput would increase if you raised your Nano's?
hi when i bought the old nano 5 ghz , i was informed that they should not be closer than 500 m. because of the output and the db of the antenna. they have worked fine for 1 year . but i never tested the speed, because of the is hooked up to a cisco lte router with around 80 mbit speed.
Is this still the best equipment to get thru the woods? I have 2 gates id like to be able out open while off site. There are alot of trees expecially at the front gate. I've been told there is NO way.... to get thru trees. By the county it guy. But you did it... 😮
I think if Radios are made and configure for PTP for a pretty good distance and you keep them next to each other, they won't perform at their best level and that might be the reason you don't get as much speed when they are in the same room for testing. In the old days when we tested Radios in the Lab, we would put specific loads on the out put of our radio to test.
Hey Chris. In your other Nanostation videos you have the access point used to transmit the signal. If by chance (out in the field) the units were switched up (the receiver on the transmit side) would the connection still work effectively?
How to create ground for ubiquiti ethernet surge protector?? How much size ground rod should I use to protect nanostation m2 from surges ... ? Plz reply ..
Hello. Yes can power a 802.3af camera from the secondary output provided your Nanostation is powered from a POE switch and not the supplied 24 volt passive injector. We just got done doing an installation this way.
@@D9412G Heyas, I realize this is 1 year after but here goes :) ..can you link Ubiquiti's g4 cameras this way? I need to get a camera to over 100 meters away and thought if this is possible via 2 nanostations this way?
The point to point sounds interesting, might have to go this route. Working with a Metal Garage approximately 250 feet away from the eero routers located in the house. Trying to find something that would mount on the outside of the metal building (weather proof) and still pull in the signal from the eero unit. Is there any recommendation besides a PtP unit that could work.
21:20 I'm not really sure...but is it maybe because wireless is all half duplex and it's sending and receiving at the same time, cutting the effective throughput in half? Just a guess. I ultimately don't have a clue other than that. :\
You asked for comments if anybody got the throughput above 300 so I thought I would respond. When I got mine working I was getting 298 - 302 using the internal speed test. This was with antenna "A" pointing straight at antenna "B" and "B" at about 45 degrees off axis from antenna "A". If I had them aligned more precisely I might improve the throughput at least a little. I left the misalignment because antenna "B" was mounted to the side of a building and it would have required some additional work to change the aiming. Having said that about the alignment, the RF signal strength was in the higher range ( I forget how they labeled it - very good or excellent) so with high signal strength on the RF side there may not be any improvement to be had. (I guess I should have tested it but I was on a ladder, it was getting dark, it was getting cold, I was hungry, and ready to be fininshed...). I'm extending an internet connection so clients can stream RUclips videos and the cable modem has nowhere near 300 meg so I'm an order of magnitude higher than I need to be. That fact caused me to accept the misalignment without correcting it. And by the way...thanks for your instructions on this. I have not set up this system before and was somewhat confused on what I needed to do and in what order I needed to do it. You definitely helped me on this. Another thought, depending on your distance between units, perhaps the RF transmitter of one unit was overloading the front end of the other receiver and this was negatively impacting the performance of the system. I know with wireless microphones, cable TV, and other electronic signals in the RF band, input overload can create results that are unexpected. If you were experiencing front end overload then both units would have been experiencing the same thing and that would compound the problem. Frequently the natural response to a system that's not working is to turn up the power and that's the problem to start with! Thanks again for a detailed but not too detailed instruction set!
I haven't been able to find a clean enough section 80MHz wide, even in rural Wyoming to achieve maximum speeds. Best option is to let the radios sit for a while and then use the Air Magic page to find the optimal freq and width.
I have two same devices, 500ft apart. Using 40MHz channel width, I can get around 150mbps total, in duplex mode. But, when testing in single mode, I can get around 260mbps from 295 reported in device. That is not bad at all. Also, I'm testing this using Mikrotik, real TCP traffic with 50 connections.
Hi Chris thanks for the awesome reviews! I have one question: Is it possible to add the nanostation to the Unifi Controller? Ive tried mca-cli but it returns -sh: mca-cli: not found
these are AirMAX CPE devices (not actual Wifi spec even though they use 802 spec), so they talk to each other only. Some wifi devices will see them (or show them as "Hidden Network"), but any attempt to connect will fail even with the correct passwords. Furthermore, the AirMAX AC line no longer works as a "receiver" for standard Wireless-N or even AC, at least on my attempts, so you can't have one of these to try and improve your receiving end as you could (I think) with a Nanostation M2 or M5. They do broadcast standard Wifi for their management radios, so the first 15 minutes or so they're on, you can connect with, say a phone or a laptop. But these radios have to be turned off in order to use AirMagic and some other nifty, but non-essential features of the router, yet I don't think there's an option to keep them on forever besides that 15min threshold. I do believe they MAY provide internet access to devices connected, if the AirMAX device itself already has cable uplink or even with a remote wireless connection to an AP that does the same.
I Believe It’s the solid area behind the antennas, the radio has to jump back before it goes straight to the front. When you have solid walls on the back of the antennas they mess with the quality of the connection.
Hi Chris, is there a way to do this, i.e. Create a wireless bridge from the main wired network to a remote wired network using Unifi kit, I'd really like to achieve a true throughput of about a gigabit, but want to manage all devices, local and remote in unifi. Great videos by the way.
Jamie Scott Lewis you can try the air fibre product lines. You can draw your site on airlink link.ubnt.com/ and see what throughput you can get. You can play around with channel widths and devices but it all boils down to clear line of site.
Your signal strength is too high, in the outdoor test the nanostations are reporting above -50dBm and in the indoor test they're reporting above -30dBm. They're shouting too loudly the other is having to cover its ears.
Optimal strength is between -60 and -45 dBm on 5GHz frequencies. On web/phone it's showing warning on weak/strong signal, just don't remember what boundaries they're using.
David Rickett if I recall the G2 NanoBeams do -2dbm and I know I can do -4dbm with the Rocket Prism AC G2. So I'm really interested in what the actual is. Looking at these over NanoBeams in a close (150 minimum to 1500ft maximum) deployment and the gain on these are less than the NanoBeams, but with a choice in antenna on the Rockets I could get closer to the the NanoStation in gain and I know I could do minus -4dbm. But if I can do minus -4dbm on the NanoStations that'll be significantly cheaper.
Welcome to Shrubbery Solutions, my name is Chris and today I'm very excited, because I'm gonna chop down this huge mess of blackberries and salmonberries.
27:15 this is entirely situational though. If you're wanting to share files, it becomes a massive bottleneck as even mechanical hard drives are capable of read/write speeds of around 1 to 1.5 Gbps. And if you have a file server with SSD cache drives, it becomes an even bigger bottleneck. I've a situation where I had to get two 10 Gigabit network cards (one for my PC and one for my file server) because the cache drives were significantly faster than what a 1 Gigabit network was capable of delivering. That's great and all but now I am needing to move my PC to the house across the street and I'd rather not lug the file server and my massive UPS along with me, but if I don't, even the advertised throughput speeds won't be fast enough for my situation. And Airfiber is WAY too expensive. :(
Does the physical design on this vs a litebeam-ac-gen2 have must effect on distance or performance ? Looking at the litebeam-ac-gen2 you would think it might be much better at point to point but perhaps that's deceptive. I'm thinking about linking Mum & Dad's farm houses only about 800 meters line of sight appart
I am actually curious as to what was the cause to your low speed tests here. If you have or if you ever find the solution to the issues you were running into, please leave a pinned comment here! My best guess was that you had your power settings too high. I've seen study cases where the tails (Null and Side Lobes) of the RF area reflects and refracts with the environment and screws with the outer Fresnel zones, but this only impacts the relatively close area of the emitter (relative to the power setting, antennae size, and max range).
Chris, maybe you should mention that the airOS 8.x web gui is responsive, so you can fully enjoy it on mobile device, maybe even more than the UNMS app, as the app doesn't have all that settings available.
How do these ptp stations fair when there is some obstruction between them? with the 5ghz signal could it penetrate through a shed for example without losing too much bandwidth? would love to see you test that if you ever revisit this.
Great video! I'm trying to set up a remote POE cctv camera, rather like the set up shown in the video. At 10:18 the presenter refers to using the 'secondary ethernet port' to power up the POE camera. I understand the basics of POE, but why did he specifically use the secondary ethernet port? The smaller model he introduced early in the vid also has a ethernet port, but only one, so could this unit do the same job?
The first lan port on every CPE is used to inject power (via POE) and turn on the antenna. So if you want to remotely connect a security camera, you should not buy the loco version wich has only one lan
Question in regards to setting theses up. Do you have to set these up before putting them up ? or can you set them up after ?. Since i am putting them on a roof a house i dont want to be up and down setting them up.
I'm looking at using a loco to get internet out to my shop about 250 ft behind my house. Direct line of sight no trees or anything in the way. I'm not super picky on speed with my internet but I do have a security camera system that I would like to alert me on my phone if it detects motion. Would the loco m2 or m5 work okay or which one do you suggest? I like the fact they're both less than $50. I plan on hooking up the DVR receiver to my security cameras directly to the nanostation and then just using the Wi-Fi on my desktop.
Hi! Could it possible to make connection between usg-> switch-> ap ac lite and nano station 5acl? After that I would like to get internet from nano station via utp and wireless too. Thanks
@Crosstalk Solutions So I have the Nanostation AC and trying to set it up as an Access point for cell phones and what not. I did found one of your older videos and you was setting up the Nanostation M5 and you mention it should work with all Nanos stations. Since the gui is way different looking Im not sure what im doing wrong. Im at bridge mode not router mode. Set to Access Point. Channel set to 20 mhz so the cell phones can see it well at least try to see it. Still cant see any wifi available. Any guidenece will help! Thanks!
I’ve just connected the AC loco and I’m following along with the video but every time I get to the save configuration on the UNMS app, it refuses to save and comes with “Incorrect password or login”. Pls help
I've got an outbuilding about 40-50 ft. from my house...is the larger one overkill for that distance or would the loco be better for that short of a distance?
Like a great man once said, "That sucks". LOL Thanks for yet another informative video Chris! I hope you post a follow up once you get to the bottom of the throughput issue.🍻
Looks like a great device but i need to try in distance more large some like 7 to 10 km is there some test whit this devices in this distances ?? greetings
If going just about 100 ft would I be able to leave one in my attic and one outside so it would be transmitting through a sheet of plywood and a couple ceramic roof tiles? (Theoretically?)
could I connect a NS-5AC to a regular UAP-AC-PRO using PTMP mixed in in order to do multiple outbuildings? Or is there an advantage to the PTP connection only?
Hey right now I use a NanoStation Loco M2 2.45GHz and I have the Aircube but I have the NanoStation set as a router so I can pick up internet from my other house but the problem is I only can get 2.4GHZ which is slow but I also need it for a decent range and is the new NanoStation M5 Directional or no please help me out make a video about this it would really help thanks
Hey Chris, would love to see a video on how you would do taking a wifi hotpspot and rebroadcasting it for your local devices. I.e. what many travellers, RV and boat owners have to do. There was a big following of people using Nanostation M2's and their own router, but I'm sure you have some clever ideas!
Hi again ! have you tried the included speedtest of the radios ? it tests the speed from wifi to wifi interface not the lan...you can test for example a transmission to see the bandwidth and then after on duplex... it can help to understand things more... @+++
Crosstalk Solutions aaahhh iii saaawww !!! but you did it duplex...try it please in one direction only : rx or tx....you will have more than 300mbps...and what we'll learn is that the 450mbps is not duplex...
Crosstalk Solutions and then another question...okay but we do iperf in one direction...so we should have all the 300mbps minimum from one computer to another.... the only way i can explain it is not the case is the ACK mecanism in tcp protocol OR the ratio in rx/tx of the link between the radios (ap and station) 50/50 ??
Did you try iperf -c --192.168.200.235-- -P 10 (or more) -- wireless does at times prefer multiple streams, so running an iperf in parallel can improve/use more bandwidth. Good videos, though I'm still not sure if it's worth going with the NS, the NB, or just doing a Mesh for an outdoor connection. My biggest complaint about Ubiquiti is their lack of support for the 802.3af passthrough; they offer plenty of 24v, 48V for themselves, but 99% of PoE is 802.3af based, not 24V/48V.
We camp often and I work mobile. I was looking for an alternative to WifiRanger Elite Package (749.99!). Could I use this to connect to the campground networks then have the nano connect to my local network? Hope that makes sense. Thank you in advance
Chris, thanks for all of your videos - I've learned a ton from them. Question - could the bridge be set up in reverse where the remote NanoStation AC is connected to and powers a PoE WISP radio via the second ethernet port? Then the 'receiving' unit would be at the house and connected into the network.
A question about the pass through POE. I want to put a non-ubiquiti 802.3at device on the secondary port. If I put 802.3at in, will I get the same voltage out? I ask because ubiquitis website says 24v pass through but I’m not sure how that works if you forego the included injector for more standard POE.
If I have two NanoBeam 5AC (Gen2) at my remote buildings connected to a main site NanoStation AC, what speeds can I get at both remote sites? If they are about 50 degree apart, will this work?
Is there a minimum distance for these nanostations? I’m looking at bridging a gap of 100-150ft so these feel a bit overkill. Is these a better Ubiquiti product for shorter ranges? Can the NSAC communicate with a NSACloco? E.g. NSACLoco would be on house and NSAC would be on garage where I want to connect a POE CCTV Camera. Do these need line of sight between each device? Your video shows bushes could be an issue? I currently use 4 UniFi AC AP Pro access points, a USG and a cloud key.
Hi Chris, Trying to set up a wireless bridge with 2 NanoStation loco AC, but having a difficult time. Won’t let me save passwords, I am not able to get into the config on my computer using the IP address, won’t allow me to reboot device. I’m stuck!
Hey Chris, struggling to find the answer here, hoping you can help? If powering the device with 24V passive is the secondary Ethernet port then only 24Passive? and same when powering the device with 802.3af, is the secondary ether port then only providing 802.3af PoE ?or - does it not matter at all? Cheers and I love your vids man. !
Loved your Unifi comparison video. Thinking about getting the AC Pro, but how does it compare against the new nanoHD? Can you do a video on that, perhaps compare it to the Pro?
Joe W the nanobeam has an antenna dish that increases the gain by increasing the directivity of the signal. I use the big 120 degree station and 2 nanobeams in a PtMP setup on my site. The nanostation is a bit more forgiving of alignment issues in my opinion.
Bandwidth Testing Question: Could it be that iperf is just not using large enough files/packets to really test up to a gigabit connection??? If the files iperf is sending/receiving are small, could it be that it is transferring the files so fast that iperf has the bottle neck of having to negotiate the next file to send/receive???
hmm... Interesting... I'm like you, there has to be some small logical reason in the setup that is keeping it from really getting a good strong result of the bandwidth test.
BTW... I really like your channel. I usually watch your new videos as soon notification pops up and put youtube up over on my second monitor and I continue to watch while continuing to work away.
Everything wireless on these frequencies needs good LoS, but Nanostations have much wider angles. They're almost "sector"-type antennae. The NanoBeams, as their name suggests, are more of a pinpoint, 1-degree-may-fail-you types of devices. And never forget this highly depends on distance - longer distances you want more directionality (more "concentrated" output both ways, or less "open" angles). Linus Tech Tips (no shit) has a video where they go through the troubles of setting 2 airfiber devices (big boy version of these) over 12km with LoS. They could probably have done it with nanobeans or even nanostations for that distance with similar results, but they goofed it out and all they got was bad use of expensive kit, which is what happens when the Ubiquiti tech wasn't available the day after when they actually had decent conditions to set it up...
Great video, thank you so much for sharing all this great UniFi information. I'm setting up 2 nanostations now and the basic wireless settings have changed. Now there is just "Access Point" On/Off and "PTP Mode" On/Off. So how would you set those options for the same setup as yo cover in your video here?
That's easy. If you'd do a simple google search, a couple of forum threads should pop up there in which Ubiquiti employees stated that they've made the AP mixed mode the default mode to make it a bit less confusing. PointToPoint mode should switch between PointTo(one)Point (on) mode or PointToMultiPoint (off) mode. Still can't use these to make regular 802.11ac APs unfortunately. They use a standard Atheros WiFi chip with a custom firmware for their AirMax technology. OpenWrt uses a normal firmware which gets rid of AirMax, but makes it work perfectly with 802.11ac WiFi.
On those you always say there are better solutions for those distances but you never really say what you would recommend for that kind of distance so what would you recommend
Can you pass all subnets through the NanoStation AC? I have multiple VLANS (management, guest, IoT, etc..). Also, what IP should I use for the NanoStation, the management VLAN (0)?
Question: I have the loco version. Can I place one radio in building 1 point thru a window toward the second radio located inside building 2 also pointed thru a window? The windows are closed not open. Can I get a connection with both radios from inside the buildings?
Computer NIC is 1Gbps - and the laptop I used in iPerf testing was the same one I used for the MikroTik Wireless Wire video where we achieved 800+ Mbps.
Thanks for another nice video. If you run the builtin speedtest in one direction (not duplex) then you most likely will get better numbers (it works on the older models at least).
Problem with low real bandwith had old Nanostations M5 too. I am not able to push over 50 mbits/s through it in the room. They said that it has 150 mbit/s capacity, but i think it is only marketing ideal ;) And it is not because of cables. If they are bad, your link will be disconnected or you will have 10/100 profile on ethernet connection. Not something between. Test the old ones, it will be the same ;)
Actually they advertise M5 as 300 Mbps radio. Just tested, 180 Mbps in single direction speedtest on 40 Mhz channe, 80 Mbps on 20 Mhz channell, anyway signal was -62 dBm what can be better. Remember good signal is between -60 and -45 dBm on 5 Ghz frequency (with 2.4 Ghz optimal numbers are going a bit down, as not that strong signal is needed). Also these radios have only 100 Mbps LAN ports, so the only way to measure speed is the built in speedtest.
ok it was advertised as 150+ (plus), I was referring that on 40 MHz channel you see (theoretical) link speed 300/300 Mbps and I did got the speedtest result 180 Mbps on built-in speedtest, not in duplex mode.
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if I undrstand....I cant use this as only expand wifi to 15km+? and I must have two of them?
@@briangrangeThis is because the units are capable of broadcasting on 2.4g and 5g at the same time. The throughput combined give you 650 mbps. Its a strange figure to use as devices can only connect to one or the other, but in the case of having several devices or more, it's relevant (but not optimal)
@@briangrange You are correct. I looked back into it and I confused the device with another of ubiquiti's. There does exist a 2g radio on the NS and Loco but its for management only. As for the inaccuracy of throughput capacity, there seems to be a bug where the displayed capacity would display that of a different device. I am not sure what the current status of that bug is.
There is a more newer firmware 8.5.4 I think it is, had to speak with support as all of the firmware they had on the site didn’t Work and wasn’t until they sent me another firmware file that did work.
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Google search dropped me here and I was thoroughly impressed and pleased with the content! I'm researching product solutions for setting up a PtP bridge from my house to my workshop/remote office about 400 feet line-of-sight away. Your video was very helpful in getting me up to speed on the NanoStations. Thanks!
Chris I love your channel, but there are a few things you goofed up in this video. I counted three times that you missed notices that there are firmware upgrades. 8.5.4 was released on 23 May and your units are using 8.4.2.
With the max speed, you are only going to see the max speeds in one direction. You were testing duplex on the internal speed test. On my NanoBeam AC Gen2 I just tested transmit and receive separately. I had 450 Mbps and 500 Mbps averages and peaked at 556.96 Mbps. My duplex wasn't much better than yours at 285/186 Mbps average.
As others have mentioned, try running parallel streams in iperf. Try something like -P 4 and see if you get better speed. I know this makes a difference with Unifi APs, I haven't personally tried on AirMax devices. Also, when you were doing the speed tests, were you still only getting 100 FDX on one of the cables. That is the connections speed that was showing in UNMS, and you never mentioned anything else.
I've learned a lot from your videos. Hopefully me comments help with clearing some issue up in this video.
How about much greater distance between the stations? Maybe their yelling is too loud?
I have installed both sides of a bridge using Loco to Loco in the attics of two buildings with a very loud signal and 250mbps throughput. I even have a subdivision of 40 homes and a 45' fiber fed tower with prism ac isos and half of the homes have litebeams in the attics with great signal, balanced chains, and plenty of throughput. Funny how some with a good line of sight can still have problems communicating while purposely putting one in the attic can work fine!
I want to express my deepest gratitude to you, for these excellent academies, you are a born teacher, thanks to your lessons and tutorials we have been able to put into operation several networks of cameras outside the main buildings.
Love the trouble shooting part of the video. That is the common problems in real world wifi setup
You have to run iperf3 with the parallel stream option! Just choose 4 to 8 streams in the command line option. Try -P 4.
Just a thank you! Set up a bridge with these this morning. It went smoothly because of this video. A follow on video on tuning and power settings would be a great sequel.
Awesome!
The varying and low throughput speed indoors could be due to the signals being reflected by the walls and furniture and causing more disturbing signals than useful ones. The same distance outdoors could deliver more reliable results.
And Chris, I like your videos! I learned a lot from you. Great Job.
I bet your wife was like “how good is my husband, cleaning out the yard instead of playing with his IT equipment”
Thanks Chris for this video.. It was around July when I installed a set of these for a friend Now doing the same for a church.. Thanks for this video. Mainly a video guy who does IT on the side.. Your help is well welcomed..
These are half-duplex devices, but you’re running a full-duplex iperf. Half-duplex radios can only transmit or receive at any given time. They can never both simultaneously To do that you need two parallel radios operating on different frequencies, which is how the AirFiber24 works. So you are in fact getting more than 300 Mbps throughput. UBNT, and most other outdoor wireless providers, advertise the highest throughout you can get with send and receive combined. This is how they could advertise 150 Mbps on the original Nanostation M5 despite it having only 100BaseT interfaces (75 Mbps in each direction).
As I wrote in other post, actually M5 shows theoretical speed 300 Mbps on 40 MHz channel as it's 2x2 device (horizontal and vertical polarity).
Btw I was checking that too and ipert is NOT doing full duplex test. In iperf2 there was option -d for duplex test, but that is not possible with iperf3. You need run 2 clients, one with -r (reverse) to do that. You can confirm that bcs for duplex test 2 ports on each side need to be used. I believe reason for low speed on iperf is that Ubiquiti is doing firmware optimized rather for slower but stable multiple data streams than for single fast stream (as opposed to Linksys, Netgear etc). To confirm that do iperf with -w 1M -P 4
You're right, you have to manually test in the other direction using the -R, run in reverse mode (server sends, client receives). So I'm not sure why he's getting such poor performance on a half-duplex test. Multiple streams shouldn't matter, because the radio is a layer 2, hence stateless, pipe. It could be a limitation of his test computer, or a port/speed duplex negotiation issue.
Actually, Ubiquiti's advertised specs for the M5 say "150+ Mbps", which is about 75 Mbps in both directions. 300 Mbps would be impossible with 10/100 Ethernet ports, regardless of MIMO. The NanoStation AC5 has an advertised throughput of 450+ Mbps, but to get that you would have to configure 80 Mbps channel width 2x2 MIMO (which is the way this testing was done). I suspect that the slow speeds in this test are due to either limitations of the test computers, or port/speed duplex mismatch on one side or the other. Speed/duplex mismatch is a very common problem we see in field deployments, which is why I usually hardcode GigE on both the switch and radio at each end.
I think the idea is 300 Mbps is best possible, never reachable on distance, that's why duplex 100 LAN port is enough (which give you 200 Mbps in both ways together). However I got 170 Mbps on M5s with built-in speedtest, in single direction, on 40 MHz channel.
For people losing the connection at 11:22 and not getting access anymore. You need to set your ip4 settings so you can access the device still. There is video by VIP vision that explains that well.
The reason for the really bad performance when testing in the room is all the reflections you're getting. You can't test this way without using an RF chamber. Also, you're likely over saturating the RF detectors due to high dB settings. I see that in your test you were showing -47 dBm in the dashboard, which is very hot. This is definitely not desirable in the real world.
We like to adjust P2P power settings to settle out at -60 dBm, which is much less intense. At the 100' distance you're running, you should be running at the lowest possible power setting. Even that may not be low enough, given that you have high gain antennas at both ends. So if your signal is still hotter than -60dBm, then you're just too close. Unlike an omni antenna, the gain antenna is concentrating all the power in a single direction. It's quite possible that the shortest efficient distance for these radios might be 500' or more.
i love watching your programs they have really sharpened me into this ne field i just started this year
my ac loco PtP can sustain around 280Mbps. i did it when they were 5 meters apart today. tomorrow i am gonna try around 50 meters apart. testing method is copying a 400MB iso from a windows share folder. stable speed was around 33.5 MB/s.
To get a long range the antenna lobe must be like a spike. So when you are close to it you are not in the field of the lobe. Two solutions:
If you are using it in close distance, then their antenna must point exactly at each other, mayby in mm-range. Else make a bigger distance between them to get a bigger spread of RF
I'd have to agree with David Rickett because the receive power is too high. I set a couple of Nanos up for a client last week and using the speed test got symmetrical 254Mbps which was a bit higher that expected because the promised 450Mbps is aggregate throughput i.e. the sum of tx and rx. The best way to set power levels with the new FW is to use the Automatic Power control in wireless settings. Set this to the desired receive level and both radios will adjust power automatically. In the case of your Nano link it would lower it to -4dBm minimum and still be in the -40dBm RX RSSI range. The other thing to watch is the delta dBm next to the signal indication (difference between V and H polarity). If delta dBm is green the link is well aligned and providing you are not overpowered you should get max throughput no problem. BTW enjoy your channel, you're one of the best on YT.
Great comment - thanks for the feedback!
I just installed 2 x NanoStation AC's @ approx 45 feet apart, 15 feet in the air, using auto-power. This turned the TX power down to -4 dBm right away. With no way to turn the power down more I ended up with a signal of -48 and a noise floor of -86 dBm, resulting in a speed test of 250Mbps receive and 175Mbps send (for both AP and Station sides). I guess the throughput is lower when they are closer (and the power can't be turned down more). Chris, I wonder if your throughput would increase if you raised your Nano's?
Yeah you Right, I was about to comment about the receive power... is too much.
hi
when i bought the old nano 5 ghz , i was informed that they should not be closer than 500 m. because of the output and the db of the antenna.
they have worked fine for 1 year . but i never tested the speed, because of the is hooked up to a cisco lte router with around 80 mbit speed.
Have you tried changing iperf to UDP or having two clients initiating in both directions?
Is this still the best equipment to get thru the woods? I have 2 gates id like to be able out open while off site. There are alot of trees expecially at the front gate. I've been told there is NO way.... to get thru trees. By the county it guy. But you did it... 😮
I think if Radios are made and configure for PTP for a pretty good distance and you keep them next to each other, they won't perform at their best level and that might be the reason you don't get as much speed when they are in the same room for testing. In the old days when we tested Radios in the Lab, we would put specific loads on the out put of our radio to test.
Hey Chris. In your other Nanostation videos you have the access point used to transmit the signal. If by chance (out in the field) the units were switched up (the receiver on the transmit side) would the connection still work effectively?
what did you open at 10:27, a program?
that is the login page once you setup you region and new password.
How to create ground for ubiquiti ethernet surge protector?? How much size ground rod should I use to protect nanostation m2 from surges ... ? Plz reply ..
Is it possible to power 802.3af camera from secondary output ? In the power adapter should be 802.3at 48V, not 24 V? Thanks
Hello. Yes can power a 802.3af camera from the secondary output provided your Nanostation is powered from a POE switch and not the supplied 24 volt passive injector.
We just got done doing an installation this way.
@@D9412G Heyas, I realize this is 1 year after but here goes :) ..can you link Ubiquiti's g4 cameras this way? I need to get a camera to over 100 meters away and thought if this is possible via 2 nanostations this way?
The point to point sounds interesting, might have to go this route. Working with a Metal Garage approximately 250 feet away from the eero routers located in the house. Trying to find something that would mount on the outside of the metal building (weather proof) and still pull in the signal from the eero unit. Is there any recommendation besides a PtP unit that could work.
21:20 I'm not really sure...but is it maybe because wireless is all half duplex and it's sending and receiving at the same time, cutting the effective throughput in half? Just a guess. I ultimately don't have a clue other than that. :\
You asked for comments if anybody got the throughput above 300 so I thought I would respond. When I got mine working I was getting 298 - 302 using the internal speed test. This was with antenna "A" pointing straight at antenna "B" and "B" at about 45 degrees off axis from antenna "A". If I had them aligned more precisely I might improve the throughput at least a little. I left the misalignment because antenna "B" was mounted to the side of a building and it would have required some additional work to change the aiming. Having said that about the alignment, the RF signal strength was in the higher range ( I forget how they labeled it - very good or excellent) so with high signal strength on the RF side there may not be any improvement to be had. (I guess I should have tested it but I was on a ladder, it was getting dark, it was getting cold, I was hungry, and ready to be fininshed...). I'm extending an internet connection so clients can stream RUclips videos and the cable modem has nowhere near 300 meg so I'm an order of magnitude higher than I need to be. That fact caused me to accept the misalignment without correcting it.
And by the way...thanks for your instructions on this. I have not set up this system before and was somewhat confused on what I needed to do and in what order I needed to do it. You definitely helped me on this.
Another thought, depending on your distance between units, perhaps the RF transmitter of one unit was overloading the front end of the other receiver and this was negatively impacting the performance of the system. I know with wireless microphones, cable TV, and other electronic signals in the RF band, input overload can create results that are unexpected. If you were experiencing front end overload then both units would have been experiencing the same thing and that would compound the problem. Frequently the natural response to a system that's not working is to turn up the power and that's the problem to start with!
Thanks again for a detailed but not too detailed instruction set!
great vid ! I had to watch other 5 vids until I found yours to understand exactly the purpose of these nano stations.
I haven't been able to find a clean enough section 80MHz wide, even in rural Wyoming to achieve maximum speeds. Best option is to let the radios sit for a while and then use the Air Magic page to find the optimal freq and width.
I have two same devices, 500ft apart. Using 40MHz channel width, I can get around 150mbps total, in duplex mode. But, when testing in single mode, I can get around 260mbps from 295 reported in device. That is not bad at all. Also, I'm testing this using Mikrotik, real TCP traffic with 50 connections.
Hi Chris thanks for the awesome reviews! I have one question: Is it possible to add the nanostation to the Unifi Controller? Ive tried mca-cli but it returns -sh: mca-cli: not found
do these fucntion as a wireless AP at the remote location as well? or do you have to attach an AP?
these are AirMAX CPE devices (not actual Wifi spec even though they use 802 spec), so they talk to each other only. Some wifi devices will see them (or show them as "Hidden Network"), but any attempt to connect will fail even with the correct passwords. Furthermore, the AirMAX AC line no longer works as a "receiver" for standard Wireless-N or even AC, at least on my attempts, so you can't have one of these to try and improve your receiving end as you could (I think) with a Nanostation M2 or M5.
They do broadcast standard Wifi for their management radios, so the first 15 minutes or so they're on, you can connect with, say a phone or a laptop. But these radios have to be turned off in order to use AirMagic and some other nifty, but non-essential features of the router, yet I don't think there's an option to keep them on forever besides that 15min threshold. I do believe they MAY provide internet access to devices connected, if the AirMAX device itself already has cable uplink or even with a remote wireless connection to an AP that does the same.
I Believe It’s the solid area behind the antennas, the radio has to jump back before it goes straight to the front. When you have solid walls on the back of the antennas they mess with the quality of the connection.
Hi Chris, is there a way to do this, i.e. Create a wireless bridge from the main wired network to a remote wired network using Unifi kit, I'd really like to achieve a true throughput of about a gigabit, but want to manage all devices, local and remote in unifi. Great videos by the way.
Jamie Scott Lewis you can try the air fibre product lines. You can draw your site on airlink link.ubnt.com/ and see what throughput you can get. You can play around with channel widths and devices but it all boils down to clear line of site.
Your signal strength is too high, in the outdoor test the nanostations are reporting above -50dBm and in the indoor test they're reporting above -30dBm. They're shouting too loudly the other is having to cover its ears.
I did see that - I cranked the output gain on both units down as far as they would go - perhaps they were still just too close together.
Optimal strength is between -60 and -45 dBm on 5GHz frequencies. On web/phone it's showing warning on weak/strong signal, just don't remember what boundaries they're using.
What is the lowest power output for the NS-5ACL?
-4dBm is the lowest power setting based on the original Nanostations.
David Rickett if I recall the G2 NanoBeams do -2dbm and I know I can do -4dbm with the Rocket Prism AC G2. So I'm really interested in what the actual is. Looking at these over NanoBeams in a close (150 minimum to 1500ft maximum) deployment and the gain on these are less than the NanoBeams, but with a choice in antenna on the Rockets I could get closer to the the NanoStation in gain and I know I could do minus -4dbm. But if I can do minus -4dbm on the NanoStations that'll be significantly cheaper.
Can we use this equipment for an speed dome camera and nvr ?
Just checking... If we would like to use the device as an access point for end devices like laptops do I just need to disable air Max
Very Monty Python. The shrubbery was removed and yet no improvement.
Welcome to Shrubbery Solutions, my name is Chris and today I'm very excited, because I'm gonna chop down this huge mess of blackberries and salmonberries.
I’m thinking they were Elderberries ;-)
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db to high for the distance
Thank you for posting the video. Are you able to transfer data with multiple cameras?
Closer -> wors.... maybe too much noise? Maybe changes in power transmit?
hi Chris is that 5 ac support working access point to non air max users like phones and laptop's need answer pleaseee❤️
Can you do the same thing with a AC LITE running WiFi normally then just one of these set as point to point.
27:15 this is entirely situational though. If you're wanting to share files, it becomes a massive bottleneck as even mechanical hard drives are capable of read/write speeds of around 1 to 1.5 Gbps. And if you have a file server with SSD cache drives, it becomes an even bigger bottleneck. I've a situation where I had to get two 10 Gigabit network cards (one for my PC and one for my file server) because the cache drives were significantly faster than what a 1 Gigabit network was capable of delivering. That's great and all but now I am needing to move my PC to the house across the street and I'd rather not lug the file server and my massive UPS along with me, but if I don't, even the advertised throughput speeds won't be fast enough for my situation. And Airfiber is WAY too expensive. :(
Does the physical design on this vs a litebeam-ac-gen2 have must effect on distance or performance ? Looking at the litebeam-ac-gen2 you would think it might be much better at point to point but perhaps that's deceptive.
I'm thinking about linking Mum & Dad's farm houses only about 800 meters line of sight appart
I am actually curious as to what was the cause to your low speed tests here. If you have or if you ever find the solution to the issues you were running into, please leave a pinned comment here!
My best guess was that you had your power settings too high. I've seen study cases where the tails (Null and Side Lobes) of the RF area reflects and refracts with the environment and screws with the outer Fresnel zones, but this only impacts the relatively close area of the emitter (relative to the power setting, antennae size, and max range).
See my latest comment for this
Hi, Can I use the Nano station to establish a PTMP connection?
Chris, maybe you should mention that the airOS 8.x web gui is responsive, so you can fully enjoy it on mobile device, maybe even more than the UNMS app, as the app doesn't have all that settings available.
How do these ptp stations fair when there is some obstruction between them? with the 5ghz signal could it penetrate through a shed for example without losing too much bandwidth? would love to see you test that if you ever revisit this.
5GHz is very susceptible to interference. You need as clear a line of sight as you can get.
Can the Nanostation AC Loco be used to set up a PTMP?
What would be the best Ubiquiti to use for a short throw distance of only about 50 yards? Which would have the max throughput?
Great video! I'm trying to set up a remote POE cctv camera, rather like the set up shown in the video. At 10:18 the presenter refers to using the 'secondary ethernet port' to power up the POE camera. I understand the basics of POE, but why did he specifically use the secondary ethernet port? The smaller model he introduced early in the vid also has a ethernet port, but only one, so could this unit do the same job?
The first lan port on every CPE is used to inject power (via POE) and turn on the antenna. So if you want to remotely connect a security camera, you should not buy the loco version wich has only one lan
@@dexterweb Thanks Flavio, I completely understand now.
Didn't you turn down the transmit strength at first setup. Could that be the problem?
Question in regards to setting theses up. Do you have to set these up before putting them up ? or can you set them up after ?. Since i am putting them on a roof a house i dont want to be up and down setting them up.
Golden rule in wifi setup is: test it on your desk first, then move it outside ;)
I'm looking at using a loco to get internet out to my shop about 250 ft behind my house. Direct line of sight no trees or anything in the way. I'm not super picky on speed with my internet but I do have a security camera system that I would like to alert me on my phone if it detects motion. Would the loco m2 or m5 work okay or which one do you suggest? I like the fact they're both less than $50. I plan on hooking up the DVR receiver to my security cameras directly to the nanostation and then just using the Wi-Fi on my desktop.
Hi! Could it possible to make connection between usg-> switch-> ap ac lite and nano station 5acl? After that I would like to get internet from nano station via utp and wireless too. Thanks
@Crosstalk Solutions So I have the Nanostation AC and trying to set it up as an Access point for cell phones and what not. I did found one of your older videos and you was setting up the Nanostation M5 and you mention it should work with all Nanos stations. Since the gui is way different looking Im not sure what im doing wrong. Im at bridge mode not router mode. Set to Access Point. Channel set to 20 mhz so the cell phones can see it well at least try to see it. Still cant see any wifi available. Any guidenece will help! Thanks!
I’ve just connected the AC loco and I’m following along with the video but every time I get to the save configuration on the UNMS app, it refuses to save and comes with “Incorrect password or login”. Pls help
good day chris ,how to creat a vlog like this the computer and the person show in 1viewing? thank you..
can you make a review of the Unifi nanohd Ap?
I've got an outbuilding about 40-50 ft. from my house...is the larger one overkill for that distance or would the loco be better for that short of a distance?
Loco NO PROB
ASSUMING LINE OF SIGHT (sorry caps lock)
Thanks, there's a clear LOS to the building from the house.
Use Nanostation AC Loco and set power output to minimum value, if I remember it's -4 dBm.
Where do I get one of those UBNT shirts?
I don't think that shirt is available anymore. I bought it from the UBNT store a couple of years ago.
Like a great man once said, "That sucks". LOL
Thanks for yet another informative video Chris! I hope you post a follow up once you get to the bottom of the throughput issue.🍻
Looks like a great device but i need to try in distance more large some like 7 to 10 km is there some test whit this devices in this distances ??
greetings
That's too far for these. Look at the Airmax AC dish units instead.
If going just about 100 ft would I be able to leave one in my attic and one outside so it would be transmitting through a sheet of plywood and a couple ceramic roof tiles? (Theoretically?)
Probably not with AC equipment. You may be able to pull that off with 2.4GHz, but 900MHz will work for sure.
could I connect a NS-5AC to a regular UAP-AC-PRO using PTMP mixed in in order to do multiple outbuildings? Or is there an advantage to the PTP connection only?
Hey right now I use a NanoStation Loco M2 2.45GHz and I have the Aircube but I have the NanoStation set as a router so I can pick up internet from my other house but the problem is I only can get 2.4GHZ which is slow but I also need it for a decent range and is the new NanoStation M5 Directional or no please help me out make a video about this it would really help thanks
Hey Chris, would love to see a video on how you would do taking a wifi hotpspot and rebroadcasting it for your local devices. I.e. what many travellers, RV and boat owners have to do. There was a big following of people using Nanostation M2's and their own router, but I'm sure you have some clever ideas!
I used to have a video like that but it was removed by RUclips.
Hi again !
have you tried the included speedtest of the radios ? it tests the speed from wifi to wifi interface not the lan...you can test for example a transmission to see the bandwidth and then after on duplex...
it can help to understand things more...
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Yes - I showed that in the video. Same results.
Crosstalk Solutions aaahhh iii saaawww !!! but you did it duplex...try it please in one direction only : rx or tx....you will have more than 300mbps...and what we'll learn is that the 450mbps is not duplex...
Crosstalk Solutions and then another question...okay but we do iperf in one direction...so we should have all the 300mbps minimum from one computer to another....
the only way i can explain it is not the case is the ACK mecanism in tcp protocol OR the ratio in rx/tx of the link between the radios (ap and station) 50/50 ??
Is it okay to use this as a basestation? How many i can connect to this?
Thankyou :)
-1st timer-
Do you have a video about installing UNMS on a droplet?
Yes.
Thanks for the video, I just set up a pair 2m apart and I show the same performance numbers
Closer isn’t always better! In some cases that will have a negative impact
were they too close together?
Did you try iperf -c --192.168.200.235-- -P 10 (or more) -- wireless does at times prefer multiple streams, so running an iperf in parallel can improve/use more bandwidth.
Good videos, though I'm still not sure if it's worth going with the NS, the NB, or just doing a Mesh for an outdoor connection. My biggest complaint about Ubiquiti is their lack of support for the 802.3af passthrough; they offer plenty of 24v, 48V for themselves, but 99% of PoE is 802.3af based, not 24V/48V.
We camp often and I work mobile. I was looking for an alternative to WifiRanger Elite Package (749.99!). Could I use this to connect to the campground networks then have the nano connect to my local network? Hope that makes sense. Thank you in advance
Chris, thanks for all of your videos - I've learned a ton from them. Question - could the bridge be set up in reverse where the remote NanoStation AC is connected to and powers a PoE WISP radio via the second ethernet port? Then the 'receiving' unit would be at the house and connected into the network.
I don't think PoE pass-through is tied to the AP mode.
Chris, please replace network cables and try a CAT 6 Ethernet cable
A question about the pass through POE. I want to put a non-ubiquiti 802.3at device on the secondary port. If I put 802.3at in, will I get the same voltage out? I ask because ubiquitis website says 24v pass through but I’m not sure how that works if you forego the included injector for more standard POE.
If I have two NanoBeam 5AC (Gen2) at my remote buildings connected to a main site NanoStation AC, what speeds can I get at both remote sites? If they are about 50 degree apart, will this work?
Is there a minimum distance for these nanostations? I’m looking at bridging a gap of 100-150ft so these feel a bit overkill. Is these a better Ubiquiti product for shorter ranges?
Can the NSAC communicate with a NSACloco? E.g. NSACLoco would be on house and NSAC would be on garage where I want to connect a POE CCTV Camera.
Do these need line of sight between each device? Your video shows bushes could be an issue?
I currently use 4 UniFi AC AP Pro access points, a USG and a cloud key.
Hi Chris,
Trying to set up a wireless bridge with 2 NanoStation loco AC, but having a difficult time. Won’t let me save passwords, I am not able to get into the config on my computer using the IP address, won’t allow me to reboot device. I’m stuck!
Hey Chris, struggling to find the answer here, hoping you can help? If powering the device with 24V passive is the secondary Ethernet port then only 24Passive? and same when powering the device with 802.3af, is the secondary ether port then only providing 802.3af PoE ?or - does it not matter at all? Cheers and I love your vids man. !
Hey did you se the new Ubiquiti EtherMagic? it's that good? i mean, it's an interesting concept...
Loved your Unifi comparison video. Thinking about getting the AC Pro, but how does it compare against the new nanoHD? Can you do a video on that, perhaps compare it to the Pro?
What's the difference between the NanoStation and the NanoBeam, is it just the distance rating?
Joe W the nanobeam has an antenna dish that increases the gain by increasing the directivity of the signal. I use the big 120 degree station and 2 nanobeams in a PtMP setup on my site. The nanostation is a bit more forgiving of alignment issues in my opinion.
Bandwidth Testing Question: Could it be that iperf is just not using large enough files/packets to really test up to a gigabit connection??? If the files iperf is sending/receiving are small, could it be that it is transferring the files so fast that iperf has the bottle neck of having to negotiate the next file to send/receive???
I used the same setup to test the MikroTik Wireless Wire at 800+ Mbps.
hmm... Interesting... I'm like you, there has to be some small logical reason in the setup that is keeping it from really getting a good strong result of the bandwidth test.
BTW... I really like your channel. I usually watch your new videos as soon notification pops up and put youtube up over on my second monitor and I continue to watch while continuing to work away.
Do you need line of sight or aiming.. I can't seem to find that info,, ie nanobeam needs aiming.
Everything wireless on these frequencies needs good LoS, but Nanostations have much wider angles. They're almost "sector"-type antennae. The NanoBeams, as their name suggests, are more of a pinpoint, 1-degree-may-fail-you types of devices. And never forget this highly depends on distance - longer distances you want more directionality (more "concentrated" output both ways, or less "open" angles).
Linus Tech Tips (no shit) has a video where they go through the troubles of setting 2 airfiber devices (big boy version of these) over 12km with LoS. They could probably have done it with nanobeans or even nanostations for that distance with similar results, but they goofed it out and all they got was bad use of expensive kit, which is what happens when the Ubiquiti tech wasn't available the day after when they actually had decent conditions to set it up...
Great video, thank you so much for sharing all this great UniFi information. I'm setting up 2 nanostations now and the basic wireless settings have changed. Now there is just "Access Point" On/Off and "PTP Mode" On/Off. So how would you set those options for the same setup as yo cover in your video here?
That's easy. If you'd do a simple google search, a couple of forum threads should pop up there in which Ubiquiti employees stated that they've made the AP mixed mode the default mode to make it a bit less confusing.
PointToPoint mode should switch between PointTo(one)Point (on) mode or PointToMultiPoint (off) mode.
Still can't use these to make regular 802.11ac APs unfortunately. They use a standard Atheros WiFi chip with a custom firmware for their AirMax technology. OpenWrt uses a normal firmware which gets rid of AirMax, but makes it work perfectly with 802.11ac WiFi.
On those you always say there are better solutions for those distances but you never really say what you would recommend for that kind of distance so what would you recommend
Can you pass all subnets through the NanoStation AC? I have multiple VLANS (management, guest, IoT, etc..). Also, what IP should I use for the NanoStation, the management VLAN (0)?
Yes - you can pass all VLANS through (I have a video on that in my channel somewhere). The IP is up to you.
Crosstalk Solutions Thank you Chris.... Keep the channel going.
Question: I have the loco version.
Can I place one radio in building 1 point thru a window toward the second radio located inside building 2 also pointed thru a window?
The windows are closed not open.
Can I get a connection with both radios from inside the buildings?
Should work just fine.. line of sight? distance?
I have AC Loco for a month now, it is pretty good. Throughput capacity is showing around 650+ mbps on a 100 meter distance.
Mine was showing 650+ Mbps capacity as well - but I was only able to get about 170Mbps in testing - have you done testing on yours?
Tomorrow I will install it on it's final place and I will post the results.
What was the speed of your computer NIC? is it capable of run 5 GHz or only 2.4 GHz?
Computer NIC is 1Gbps - and the laptop I used in iPerf testing was the same one I used for the MikroTik Wireless Wire video where we achieved 800+ Mbps.
Crosstalk Solutions what if you put both antennas in same room, are you able to get higher speed?
I think it is 450Mbit combined throughput. Both RX and TX so theoretically 250Mbit max
Thanks for another nice video. If you run the builtin speedtest in one direction (not duplex) then you most likely will get better numbers (it works on the older models at least).
Good tip - I'll have to try that.
Problem with low real bandwith had old Nanostations M5 too. I am not able to push over 50 mbits/s through it in the room. They said that it has 150 mbit/s capacity, but i think it is only marketing ideal ;)
And it is not because of cables. If they are bad, your link will be disconnected or you will have 10/100 profile on ethernet connection. Not something between.
Test the old ones, it will be the same ;)
Actually they advertise M5 as 300 Mbps radio. Just tested, 180 Mbps in single direction speedtest on 40 Mhz channe, 80 Mbps on 20 Mhz channell, anyway signal was -62 dBm what can be better. Remember good signal is between -60 and -45 dBm on 5 Ghz frequency (with 2.4 Ghz optimal numbers are going a bit down, as not that strong signal is needed). Also these radios have only 100 Mbps LAN ports, so the only way to measure speed is the built in speedtest.
ok it was advertised as 150+ (plus), I was referring that on 40 MHz channel you see (theoretical) link speed 300/300 Mbps and I did got the speedtest result 180 Mbps on built-in speedtest, not in duplex mode.
if I undrstand....I cant use this as only expand wifi to 15km+? and I must have two of them?
How can you have a 650Mpbs Capacity Throughput on your web AirOS Page ... when the units are rated 450Mpbs?
i have same, 655mbps capacity, but only get same speeds as chris reports here... it makes no sense............
@@briangrangeThis is because the units are capable of broadcasting on 2.4g and 5g at the same time. The throughput combined give you 650 mbps. Its a strange figure to use as devices can only connect to one or the other, but in the case of having several devices or more, it's relevant (but not optimal)
@@Shaostie I know what u mean but this doesnt apply to the loco ac as it's a 5.8ghz only device AFAIK
@@briangrange You are correct. I looked back into it and I confused the device with another of ubiquiti's. There does exist a 2g radio on the NS and Loco but its for management only.
As for the inaccuracy of throughput capacity, there seems to be a bug where the displayed capacity would display that of a different device. I am not sure what the current status of that bug is.
There is a more newer firmware 8.5.4 I think it is, had to speak with support as all of the firmware they had on the site didn’t
Work and wasn’t until they sent me another firmware file that did work.
Sr what is the name of the small dog in the video, that is the main protagonist of this movie? I love the dogs
hi Chris,
can i powered the nanostation loco 5 AC by poe from Unifi Switch 16 50W ?