Yeh, planing the range in your shots is really something to do. But their speed can give you almost Italian YoLo vibes as they get to the target before they can delete you.
I'm in the top 10 in every metric (except average plane shot down...) for this ship on the EU server, and have the highest damage replay on WoWs Replays, and I can 100% vouch for this ship: it's super fun and very good, without being broken. It is indeed "just a torp boat", and because you need to be able to use the F3s to be effective (otherwise you'd be almost straight inferior to Yuugumo), it has a skill floor a bit higher than most. But once you have reached that skill floor, it shines so well. It is indeed so comfortable, and the F3s are very satisfying to land. Do not sleep on the guns! The DPM is low, but they hit super hard! Use your advantages, mostly your concealment (veeeery slightly better than Jäger). Outspot your opponent, land a salvo or two, go back to stealth before he can shoot you back (with island cover or smoke). I have won quite a few duels against hybrid DDs and gunboats this way. (The exact same as with most Japanese torpedo DD...) I had good success in ranked this season, too. EDIT: After the usual PM, LS, SE and CE, I run (in no order) Grease the Gears, Swift Fish, Fill the Tubes, Superintendent and extra-heavy ammo. I hate subs with a passion, which is why I pick extra-heavy ammo (as it boosts the already strong Japanese depth charges). As for superintendent, I often find myself runing out of consumables, sometimes even with the skill equipped. It is indeed a sub-par build, but I really hate submarines, and I don't feel like managing the number of consumables I have in stock. Thinking about all the things that can screw over a torpedo DD is already enough for me.
This only points that a torpedo-boat is not only about it's concealment. It's also about the player. I struggle a lot but it's a skill issue. Congratulations 😊
I love the jp torp boats, and will definitely get this one. What is your opinion on Radio Location and Swift in Silence? I've never liked the reload penalty of SiS, so never tried it outside of PTS, but I have used Radio for a long time, even though Swift Fish is tempting
@@fideljok I have never used these two. For radio location, after a long while (more than 10k battles), I can estimate the rough position of most undetected ship on a flank. It's far less reliable, as I get outplayed regularly, but it's free and the opponent doesn't know I know where he is. Also, I don't like the indicator on my screen, I find it distracting, but that's just me. Mostly that, in fact XD. For SiS, I admit I never tried it only because I didn't want to risk retraining a commander only to realize it's worse, and having to waste more ressources to re-retrain it. I should probably test it on PTS! But I can see that 8% come very in handy to get out of a tight situation while still in stealth. The 5% slower reload speed doesn't matter much when you use your guns like I described. In short, they both seem very good picks, but I don't have the experience to answer you with certainty and accuracy.
He kinda fucked up himself as well by insisting on using the short range torps. If it happens once, fair enough, if it keeps happening, you have to get closer or use the slower torps. So the throw was a joint effort. 😄
@@ManuR-l4m He was just too far away thats all. 15km torps are just for area denial, you cant just aim with them for close targets cos they are too slow to catch them and have worse detection radius.
Really enjoy the Minegumo, for anyone that enjoys torp boats this is a fantastically comfortable ship. Edit: Well worth mentioning you absolutely must make use of the free switch between torps, (4 sec delay if fully loaded) and the amazing reload which can get down to around 60 to 70 seconds
I consider to get it , I have 21k steel , so I could pawn Ragnar , and buy out to get her ... oh tho that is steel ship and I have allready pawned F.Sherman (Karl) & Salem (Brandenburg) , buy out Salem , and I miss 128k to buy back Sherman , and with steel ship + Franch bustard for RP + Wisconsin that I will buy out when last stage of gold ranked = anniversary I should have 90 T10 90 SC and from those I won last year 3 ships , and I have Benham + Jäger and Hayate so I have mix feeling about that ship , i would like to have in my collection , but I wont play it as Benhm & Jäger are better options :/
I would highly recommend the RPF/Radio Location skill in the +fourth line for this and all other IJN torp boats. It makes it really easy to have full control over any possible engagement with enemy gun boat DDs. For me its a must.
Thanks for this PQ! I traded in a Neustrashimi that I hated playing and had not played in months. I laughed out loud playing Minegumo having so much fun. I play her like Jager at start of the game and later switch to the short range torps. I took out a half health Wisconsin in Random on my last battle, such fun!
yeah, even though i ranted about the wows scam with the ships last video, i eventually traded my marceau for the minegumo and your right: minegumo is hilariously good. the 6.5 km torps are the bread and butter. i didn't have much luck with the 15km torps (1-2 occasionally torp hits) but the 6.5km torps are insane XD so many dev strikes. either while not being spotted or by yoloing unfortunate behemoths, sitting still in the water. but don't sleep on the guns! my first kill was a shot down yamagiri while he was shooting someone else, so use the guns if an opportunity arises!
Good video. I was on the fence about this and went ahead and traded in my very frustrating GK for the Minegumo. I have plenty of coal so I can easily get the GK back once my masochistic tendencies return. Thanks PQ.
The ship is in the Asashio Class so the Minegumo is her sister. In game they have the same surface detection and seem to have been in game torpedo test beds. The Asashio tested the deep water torpedoes and the Minegumo is testing the speed vs range switch. (the Yamagiri was first at switching but the mechanic was very bad.) Thanks for the review. I had seen your first impressions video which informed my choice. Hopefully the speed/range swapping will find it's way on other WG torpedo armed ships as it is historical. (now if WG will also add the torpedo heading change after launch the Rodney has to the DDs that historically had that as well.) (Yes I dream and really know better by now) I traded my Carnot for the Minegumo. I did not care for the Carnot and as a IJN DD main I have been waiting for a higher tier (Good) Premium trainer. The Yuduchi manages to be quite lackluster for me. I have the Harekaze as well but it works better with an IFHE captain with the 100mm guns. And the Minegumo will be less challenging to play for fun than the Asashio. My IJN DDs almost always get the extra cost (coal) speed boost. Does the extra 5% speed on the torpedoes really make much difference? It seems the main defense for IJN torp boats is, don't get shot at. The other thing about the trade in, you do not have pay to demount the modules on the trade in ship, WG automatically does that when you trad it in.
It's like in chess after the first 10-15 moves you have a game state that is 1 of 1, never played before. The mid-late game will always be much more fascinating than your team or theirs blundering their ships and hanging the match in 5 minutes.
Most important point for me: only 5.4 KM detection range (best in game). Minegumo is an absolute insane good spotter. In lategame I often focus on spotting to make the team win. You can get easily to 150-200k spotting as a pretty bad player like me. I need to use the short range torps more I guess, rarely use them at all.
When I get a double strike in my gearing I go down to 5.3km conceal. Is pretty cool when it happens. Would be like 5km if I had legendary but I don't have that yet and not sure I want to lose reload anyways
I only recently started playing DD's seriously (I'm almost a casual player and not a good one. And a BB main). I remember having terrible time when I played at lower tiers (and I also ever bought 2 premiums, because they were Polish - but I can't play them well). Thankfully SeaRaptor made a tutorial (you don't want to mess the commander - I mainly used it for that as well as some general advice on playstyle) on Japanese Torpedo Destroyers. I always had a lot of problems with Torpedo DD's when I play my BB's, so I thought I learn the enemy. Tier 5 was a bit fun, but with my abilities..... mostly co-op honestly. It's also first/last Tier when I either automatically go for survivability expert or don't - depending on the ship. But I struggled and struggled and bought Tier 6 as soon as possible. And after couple lousy matches (I hate being the reason my team dies), I spent my entire Free XP to upgrade commander to level 10. And with concealment expert suddenly the game went from "basically unplayable" to almost 60% Win Rate. Of course the rest of the team mattered more than my own efforts, but being able to go so close to ship, torp it and escape undetected was such a big change. It's not that with some destroyers it isn't possible without Concealment Expert, but when you have margin of error of 0.1-0.3km it is really easy to screw up. And again - I'm not a good player and I was trying to seriously play DD's for the first time. It's sad that co-op gives so little XP and has such oddly working bots, because it sadly fails as both educational mode and a recreational mode, where you don't bring down your team with your newbie mistakes. Maybe I misremember, but when I started playing in April of 2020 co-op was at least more rewarding. Plus on good days you could get a lot of players and only few bots, which usually meant that you could do some damage, but also train against human players. Oh - and funny story. Last night I was playing with my Amagi (my highest tier ship) in Random Battle. And I waited in queue for a long time. When game finally loaded, it was 3v3 (all humans). I saw some small matches, but having 3 ships on each team was a new record low. 1 sub on each team was against cap A, acompanied by a BB. And then other BB (me and my counterpart) against cap B. If I didn't know for certain that the match would end before time, I probably would have sprinted towards C cap to get any cap. But fight was short, sweet, actually kind of good (nothing stellar, but not a lot of embarrassing mistakes) and we all had a good laugh. I promised I wouldn't upload any WoWS replays on my channel anymore, before my actual PC is working, but maybe I will train editing commentary on it and publish it. Surreal situation.
I had some spare coal, I traded a ship for the karl johan, bought the traded ship back again with coal, traded it again for the minegumo. Overall I got 2 rare and cool T9 premiums for the price of a T5 premium :D
The only ship I didn't have is the Minegumo ! I go t 650 ships! I traded Minegumo for Salem, and I bought Salem back for coal... I got too much coal and I don't know what to do with it ! Minegumo for coal is a great deal!! I play several games and I had a great time!!!! Great video !! GG
Great game. I think the buy back is a great deal if you have a lot of coal. I lucked out and got the Minegumo out of a single crate during the original event, though I don't think I'm played a single game in it. I did pick up Karl and Dalian by trading in my Sherman, twice, then bought my Sherman back. So 2 T9 premiums for like 10 bucks, seem like a good deal.
I have it and I am rather unsure. 1st, the short range torps are #4 and the long range are #3. This seems backwards, and I have to keep it in mind at all times. Asashio guns are surprisingly hard hitting and late game against damaged DDs are pretty effective. Minegumo guns are supposed to be exactly identical except 1 sec faster reload...... and yet they do not seem as good. I have heard this from others, as well. The long range torps, with all the helps, are still just so-so. I love a good torp boat, and I only like this one.
I traded my old dusty Asashio i havent touched her for more than 2 years, amd i got Minegumo and i must say, no regrets had so much fun all tho 1 tier higher than Asashio, but still unique playstyle especially with that great concealement. Totaly recomending getting the Minegumo.
it is quite possible to use your guns, but you have to know when and when not to. Since you usually have a concealment advantage, you can usually decide whether to fight or not. don't take a fair fight against a high HP gunboat, spot that guy in the hope that allies will take him down only shoot if you can destroy the enemy ship with one or two volleys and can disappear again
I traded in my Asashio for Minegumo and only had to pay the ~1700 doubloons difference. Not bad for a T8 trade-in on a T9 I thought. Figured I could always buy Asashio B for cheap next Black Friday event if I want it back but I find I don't play it anyway.
Immlemann for the Minegumo and Odin for the Karl - Two supercontainer ships for two I know I would enjoy - Couldn't be a better time. PQ validation the wind to my sails
I got this thing for free during the java sea event, lost my mind when I got it, thought it was going to be great, kinda garbage tbh, still think it needs a torp rework or different selection of torps
Im gonna trade in a coal ship to get this since I don't like it and never use it and I can always buy it back, great content and the graphics are amazing!
Eight torps without reload booster just seems too little. For this kind of playstyle the AL Yukikaze is just better because it get's proper F3's and it's T8 with a more favorable matchup spread.
Yukikaze is a Kagero clone, Minegumo has way better gunpower and the possibility to switch torps is amazing, I would never trade my Minegumo for Yukikaze
@@grillmeisterflash „for this kind of playstyle“ referring to the displayed short-range torpedo boat use. Obviously the Minegumo is the more universal ship. But then again, the tech-tree Yugumo is probably the stronger ship anyway.
Or if you want to be REALLY risky...get rid of Last Stand - do it! Take Last Stand and Consumables buff for swift in silence. If you're getting in and out of engagements fast, strictly only use that repair to repair your engine if it goes out.
I tried running her in Ranked for a change of pace with ships. I found her to just be OK, there are a lot of better choices even in the tech tree (British DD"s for instance) but she will perform if you are careful. Fast reload is nice but she doesn't have many guns. Long range torps are nice too, but slow reload. Super heal and smoke can be deadly in the right fights in ranked though, but you won't carry alone. If you are new and this is your only premium DD to run ranked she isn't the worst choice to make money and try to win some rounds, but you will be out performed by a Haida or T-61, or even the British tech tree ships.
@@Swarm509 I got it awhile ago and have only played it a few times, it doesn't seem like a bad ship though. Not a huge DD player but dabbling in the PE ships
Very lame. Stord 43 is a series of compromises that ultimately culminate in a mediocre destroyer to be honest. Everybody talks about the smoke and superheal: The superheals are nice, but you have THE worst base HP of any T6 DD. And Stord 43 is Tier 7. Even if you pop both heals at max potential, you wouldn't be able to touch the base HP of some other T7 DDs. The smoke is giga garbage. Its worse than the German smoke which is already the worst smoke in the game by a mile. It lasts for 61s and has 2 charges base. Maass, the equivalent German T7, has 3 smokes lasting 71s each. Your smokes will run out even before you've warmed your barrels. Its not a farming smoke, its a knifefighting smoke, like British short smokes but with none of the advantages.
@@ReDiR20 For ranked I disagree and that is my only experience with Stord 43, but I could see it being better in random battles due to more flexibility and ability to farm compared to Haida, and most German DD's. Haida in ranked has a much better conceal, hydro, and crawling smoke that last a long time. She will rush and ruin a Stord 43 and most other DD's in her tier in ranked. She is a pain to play in other modes or against battleships and cruisers late game in ranked though due to low fire chance and low number of torps though. Stord 43 is better then tech tree German DD's, but the German premium T-61 is overpowered to the point where I use it to fight DD's up to two tiers higher easily.
I'm not sure if you really had the opportunity with the Colbert this close but if you had managed to claim the Harugumo, you would have had Yamamoto's heal and reload buff that could have changed the game. Or if you had insisted on torping the Colbert maybe. Would have been an absolutely epic play
I can alternativly recommend the Kleber with leg mod. ist also really enjoyable fast torp boat. And the best: no one expect this. this fact shold not be underrated
i did for the salem, will get that fun guy back in 2-3 months with coal, no issue. The fun part is those who spent....$$$$$$ i dunno how much for this dd when it was released a few months back must be questioning their choices. Anyway hindsight is 2020 i guess
Unfortunately, tonnes of videos on RUclips about ships that are worth owning, but not a single video about the ships that are not good and could be given away for it. For example, what about the Anchorage tier 8, it could be used to get a tier 9. It is unique, but in my understanding this ship isn't that good.
Not sure what type of gameplay you enjoy. It's a decent smoke farmer but that's about all it does. It's also not that different from the tech tree pan asian cruisers minus the lack of deep water torpedoes.
No, absolutely not. The guns aren't good (mediocre DPM and 22mm HE pen at T9), survivability is terrible (almost British cruiser bad, but it only gets a standard heal), it has smoke but no spotting (no radar, no hydro, not even a plane). It has decent torps and maneuverability, good concealment for a cruiser (8.9km). It can do ok fighting DDs if they are spotted by somebody else (although even in a stright gun battle, some high-tier gunboats might actually win) and farming from behind an island or smoke - as long as somebody else spots for you. It's not very fun, high risk low reward (enemy radar cruisers annihilate it), has little battle impact and no carry ability.
@@grillmeisterflash the long range torps are ridiculously slow and have bad detect so you're reliant on primarily using the F3s. Yuugumo only has 4s worse reload on F3s. Yuugumo can also mount TRB. You don't pay over 19k doubloons to just have a shitty premium Yuugumo.
I traded for Minegumo and love it. I traded a coal ship I don't play much, since I can always buy it back later. Being able to change torp types in game is super flexible. The 6.5 km torps are a bit challenging to use, but hit like a truck. Takes ballz and skillz. The low detect and smoke are very handy. I have used the guns when it's safe. They're lower DPM than a Shima, but have some alpha. And you're right, positioning is everything, same as most other ships. I took swift in silence instead of survivability and grease the gears. I use the same commander on Asashio.
I've played this twice so far, done well both times, and been reported both times. CV's and Subs are fair game, but reporting DD's for doing well *sigh
Hayate is arguably a better ship tier for tier anyways no? TRB meant ur already a superior torpedo boat over minegumo other than concealment, which is still usable anyways. Combine with the fact that you have 10th highest HE dpm meant that while you're not going to outgun people, you can easily defend urself better than any other IJN DD. Also tier 9 MM is worse nowadays thx to supership, but since u can meet tier 7 I guess its still somewhat arguable. I see no reason why Hayate is not a superior ship if you want a premium IJN DD.
Hayate not premium ship. It's special ship (Tier 10 premium is special ship). special ship don't have money boost like premium ship. Mostly buy these ship cuz those big money number not the best performance.
@@mayshiratoshi6390 While true, it is also pointless to choose a ship that would perform worse or have less opportunities due to their respective lower versatilities, as that would impact the performance which is a greater factor in credit earnings. As tier 10 special ship with lower repair cost, meant it also can earn a sizable amount of credits even on a loss assuming one can perform well. Not to mention there are a number of coal premiums that superior in terms of performance than Minegumo, like Kearsarge, Iwami, etc.
@@leemarcus6123 Trust me most of the time 1500 exp T9 premium ship paid you much more than 2000 exp special ship. And on average people 1500-2000 exp considered hard for them (at 45-50% winrate cuz that average people.) Even my Missouri on easy 1500-2000exp game get me more money than hard carry Wisconsin 2000-2500 exp game. That the point of buying tier 9 premium while price of T9 and T10 is nearly the same.
I wouldn't personally. There is not much this thing does that the yugumo cannot already do. I was disappointed that the Russian tier 9 secondary battleship was not available despite it having the gamble release event almost 4 months before minigumo's event.
WG salesman potato quality made the last 3 videos to promote trade in event,dunno why people still watch this particular channel,maybe blindness is on the rise,why cant he be true to others and call the event what it is smh really,greedy people i guess
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those torps despawning within spitting distance of their targets gave me physical pain
Unless you are on the other side of the torps, then it is the best feeling in the world.
@@Swarm509 With the Asashio it is always fun to think of the heart attack you are giving cruiser captains as the torps go under them.
Yeh, planing the range in your shots is really something to do. But their speed can give you almost Italian YoLo vibes as they get to the target before they can delete you.
I don't normally yell at my screen. When those torps ran out though....
He kept getting stuck on using the faster shorter range torpedoes. Talk about tunnel vision
I'm in the top 10 in every metric (except average plane shot down...) for this ship on the EU server, and have the highest damage replay on WoWs Replays, and I can 100% vouch for this ship: it's super fun and very good, without being broken.
It is indeed "just a torp boat", and because you need to be able to use the F3s to be effective (otherwise you'd be almost straight inferior to Yuugumo), it has a skill floor a bit higher than most.
But once you have reached that skill floor, it shines so well. It is indeed so comfortable, and the F3s are very satisfying to land.
Do not sleep on the guns! The DPM is low, but they hit super hard! Use your advantages, mostly your concealment (veeeery slightly better than Jäger). Outspot your opponent, land a salvo or two, go back to stealth before he can shoot you back (with island cover or smoke). I have won quite a few duels against hybrid DDs and gunboats this way.
(The exact same as with most Japanese torpedo DD...)
I had good success in ranked this season, too.
EDIT: After the usual PM, LS, SE and CE, I run (in no order) Grease the Gears, Swift Fish, Fill the Tubes, Superintendent and extra-heavy ammo.
I hate subs with a passion, which is why I pick extra-heavy ammo (as it boosts the already strong Japanese depth charges).
As for superintendent, I often find myself runing out of consumables, sometimes even with the skill equipped.
It is indeed a sub-par build, but I really hate submarines, and I don't feel like managing the number of consumables I have in stock. Thinking about all the things that can screw over a torpedo DD is already enough for me.
This only points that a torpedo-boat is not only about it's concealment. It's also about the player.
I struggle a lot but it's a skill issue.
Congratulations 😊
I love the jp torp boats, and will definitely get this one.
What is your opinion on Radio Location and Swift in Silence?
I've never liked the reload penalty of SiS, so never tried it outside of PTS, but I have used Radio for a long time, even though Swift Fish is tempting
Is it better than Benham?
@@fideljok I have never used these two.
For radio location, after a long while (more than 10k battles), I can estimate the rough position of most undetected ship on a flank. It's far less reliable, as I get outplayed regularly, but it's free and the opponent doesn't know I know where he is.
Also, I don't like the indicator on my screen, I find it distracting, but that's just me. Mostly that, in fact XD.
For SiS, I admit I never tried it only because I didn't want to risk retraining a commander only to realize it's worse, and having to waste more ressources to re-retrain it. I should probably test it on PTS!
But I can see that 8% come very in handy to get out of a tight situation while still in stealth. The 5% slower reload speed doesn't matter much when you use your guns like I described.
In short, they both seem very good picks, but I don't have the experience to answer you with certainty and accuracy.
@@EvoraGT430 Never played Benham, but considering how much more trouble it gives me over Minegumo, I'd say "no contest". Benham seems way stronger.
The friendly DDs throwing at the end hurts
He kinda fucked up himself as well by insisting on using the short range torps. If it happens once, fair enough, if it keeps happening, you have to get closer or use the slower torps. So the throw was a joint effort. 😄
@@AllAhabNoMoby Was thinking the same. Insisting on the short range torps at the end was a misplay.
@@ManuR-l4m He was just too far away thats all. 15km torps are just for area denial, you cant just aim with them for close targets cos they are too slow to catch them and have worse detection radius.
@@vitezslavlorenc3479 60 knots is not that slow.
They were screwed outside of a lucky torp hit in most any case against a Colbert
Really enjoy the Minegumo, for anyone that enjoys torp boats this is a fantastically comfortable ship.
Edit: Well worth mentioning you absolutely must make use of the free switch between torps, (4 sec delay if fully loaded) and the amazing reload which can get down to around 60 to 70 seconds
I consider to get it , I have 21k steel , so I could pawn Ragnar , and buy out to get her ... oh tho that is steel ship and I have allready pawned F.Sherman (Karl) & Salem (Brandenburg) , buy out Salem , and I miss 128k to buy back Sherman , and with steel ship + Franch bustard for RP + Wisconsin that I will buy out when last stage of gold ranked = anniversary I should have 90 T10 90 SC and from those I won last year 3 ships , and I have Benham + Jäger and Hayate so I have mix feeling about that ship , i would like to have in my collection , but I wont play it as Benhm & Jäger are better options :/
I got Minegumo from a container, haven’t played it much until I’ve watched some reviews here in RUclips. It’s a fun torp boat. 😅
Every surface ship has an ability to dive below the water - at least once
Russian navy is a good example.
I would highly recommend the RPF/Radio Location skill in the +fourth line for this and all other IJN torp boats. It makes it really easy to have full control over any possible engagement with enemy gun boat DDs. For me its a must.
Well PQ is well known for stupid builds so yeah :D RPF for sure is must have skill on torp dds.
When you are spotted at 6:41, Shiki reacts by slowing down, eating the torps she could partially avoid. So who knows was that a bad or a good thing :)
Thanks for this PQ! I traded in a Neustrashimi that I hated playing and had not played in months. I laughed out loud playing Minegumo having so much fun. I play her like Jager at start of the game and later switch to the short range torps. I took out a half health Wisconsin in Random on my last battle, such fun!
yeah, even though i ranted about the wows scam with the ships last video, i eventually traded my marceau for the minegumo and your right: minegumo is hilariously good. the 6.5 km torps are the bread and butter. i didn't have much luck with the 15km torps (1-2 occasionally torp hits) but the 6.5km torps are insane XD so many dev strikes. either while not being spotted or by yoloing unfortunate behemoths, sitting still in the water.
but don't sleep on the guns! my first kill was a shot down yamagiri while he was shooting someone else, so use the guns if an opportunity arises!
Good video. I was on the fence about this and went ahead and traded in my very frustrating GK for the Minegumo. I have plenty of coal so I can easily get the GK back once my masochistic tendencies return. Thanks PQ.
The ship is in the Asashio Class so the Minegumo is her sister. In game they have the same surface detection and seem to have been in game torpedo test beds. The Asashio tested the deep water torpedoes and the Minegumo is testing the speed vs range switch. (the Yamagiri was first at switching but the mechanic was very bad.)
Thanks for the review. I had seen your first impressions video which informed my choice.
Hopefully the speed/range swapping will find it's way on other WG torpedo armed ships as it is historical. (now if WG will also add the torpedo heading change after launch the Rodney has to the DDs that historically had that as well.) (Yes I dream and really know better by now)
I traded my Carnot for the Minegumo. I did not care for the Carnot and as a IJN DD main I have been waiting for a higher tier (Good) Premium trainer. The Yuduchi manages to be quite lackluster for me. I have the Harekaze as well but it works better with an IFHE captain with the 100mm guns. And the Minegumo will be less challenging to play for fun than the Asashio. My IJN DDs almost always get the extra cost (coal) speed boost.
Does the extra 5% speed on the torpedoes really make much difference? It seems the main defense for IJN torp boats is, don't get shot at.
The other thing about the trade in, you do not have pay to demount the modules on the trade in ship, WG automatically does that when you trad it in.
PQ has such an obvious smile in his voice when he enjoys a ship, it really says a lot
It's like in chess after the first 10-15 moves you have a game state that is 1 of 1, never played before. The mid-late game will always be much more fascinating than your team or theirs blundering their ships and hanging the match in 5 minutes.
Most important point for me: only 5.4 KM detection range (best in game). Minegumo is an absolute insane good spotter. In lategame I often focus on spotting to make the team win. You can get easily to 150-200k spotting as a pretty bad player like me. I need to use the short range torps more I guess, rarely use them at all.
When I get a double strike in my gearing I go down to 5.3km conceal. Is pretty cool when it happens. Would be like 5km if I had legendary but I don't have that yet and not sure I want to lose reload anyways
Jäger have 5.4km det range .
I only recently started playing DD's seriously (I'm almost a casual player and not a good one. And a BB main). I remember having terrible time when I played at lower tiers (and I also ever bought 2 premiums, because they were Polish - but I can't play them well). Thankfully SeaRaptor made a tutorial (you don't want to mess the commander - I mainly used it for that as well as some general advice on playstyle) on Japanese Torpedo Destroyers. I always had a lot of problems with Torpedo DD's when I play my BB's, so I thought I learn the enemy. Tier 5 was a bit fun, but with my abilities..... mostly co-op honestly. It's also first/last Tier when I either automatically go for survivability expert or don't - depending on the ship. But I struggled and struggled and bought Tier 6 as soon as possible. And after couple lousy matches (I hate being the reason my team dies), I spent my entire Free XP to upgrade commander to level 10. And with concealment expert suddenly the game went from "basically unplayable" to almost 60% Win Rate. Of course the rest of the team mattered more than my own efforts, but being able to go so close to ship, torp it and escape undetected was such a big change. It's not that with some destroyers it isn't possible without Concealment Expert, but when you have margin of error of 0.1-0.3km it is really easy to screw up.
And again - I'm not a good player and I was trying to seriously play DD's for the first time. It's sad that co-op gives so little XP and has such oddly working bots, because it sadly fails as both educational mode and a recreational mode, where you don't bring down your team with your newbie mistakes. Maybe I misremember, but when I started playing in April of 2020 co-op was at least more rewarding. Plus on good days you could get a lot of players and only few bots, which usually meant that you could do some damage, but also train against human players.
Oh - and funny story. Last night I was playing with my Amagi (my highest tier ship) in Random Battle. And I waited in queue for a long time. When game finally loaded, it was 3v3 (all humans). I saw some small matches, but having 3 ships on each team was a new record low. 1 sub on each team was against cap A, acompanied by a BB. And then other BB (me and my counterpart) against cap B. If I didn't know for certain that the match would end before time, I probably would have sprinted towards C cap to get any cap. But fight was short, sweet, actually kind of good (nothing stellar, but not a lot of embarrassing mistakes) and we all had a good laugh. I promised I wouldn't upload any WoWS replays on my channel anymore, before my actual PC is working, but maybe I will train editing commentary on it and publish it. Surreal situation.
Have a good day PQ
That petro knew you were coming and didnt aim at you, he shot somewhere else
trade in coal ships you can just save coal and get again. i traded the GK for the Karl and looking now to see what to trade for this ship.
As a dedicated F3 shima player I know that “a little bit short” feeling!
Welcome to the dev strike printing club!!
I had some spare coal, I traded a ship for the karl johan, bought the traded ship back again with coal, traded it again for the minegumo. Overall I got 2 rare and cool T9 premiums for the price of a T5 premium :D
My torp DD's I always go stock HP and skip the AR so I can have swift & silent, and Radio Location.
The only ship I didn't have is the Minegumo ! I go t 650 ships! I traded Minegumo for Salem, and I bought Salem back for coal... I got too much coal and I don't know what to do with it ! Minegumo for coal is a great deal!! I play several games and I had a great time!!!! Great video !! GG
My second favorite DD after F. Sherman, got this from a container, I had a lot of fun playing this DD, the 5.4km concealment is such a gangsta. 😂
I have been waiting for this video thx PQ. Now, I am 120% sure that I will get her. Thx always.
That Petro yolo was great. Actually, there's a ship dedicated to yoloing, it's called Paolo Emilio, you really should try make it work.
Great game. I think the buy back is a great deal if you have a lot of coal. I lucked out and got the Minegumo out of a single crate during the original event, though I don't think I'm played a single game in it. I did pick up Karl and Dalian by trading in my Sherman, twice, then bought my Sherman back. So 2 T9 premiums for like 10 bucks, seem like a good deal.
I have it and I am rather unsure. 1st, the short range torps are #4 and the long range are #3. This seems backwards, and I have to keep it in mind at all times. Asashio guns are surprisingly hard hitting and late game against damaged DDs are pretty effective. Minegumo guns are supposed to be exactly identical except 1 sec faster reload...... and yet they do not seem as good. I have heard this from others, as well. The long range torps, with all the helps, are still just so-so. I love a good torp boat, and I only like this one.
I bought this with my Sherman, and I like it so far. Actually scored my highest ever damage in her just a few days back (242K damage).
It seems like you really enjoyed playing this ship! Maybe you should try 8km Shima maybe, considering it's somewhat similar :)
It’s kinda weird that IJN DD premiums don’t have names carved on their ship. Like how they usually were IRL. But hey, Mods does exist.
the rage levels of seeing your torps die an inch from the target...oh man how did u not launch your computer into space
KArl is fun as hell, I pretend I am a Halland with armor! Just go around torping the hell out of people
Any point getting this if you have Yukikaze? Are the 15km really worth it?
I traded my old dusty Asashio i havent touched her for more than 2 years, amd i got Minegumo and i must say, no regrets had so much fun all tho 1 tier higher than Asashio, but still unique playstyle especially with that great concealement. Totaly recomending getting the Minegumo.
it is quite possible to use your guns, but you have to know when and when not to.
Since you usually have a concealment advantage, you can usually decide whether to fight or not.
don't take a fair fight against a high HP gunboat, spot that guy in the hope that allies will take him down
only shoot if you can destroy the enemy ship with one or two volleys and can disappear again
I traded in my Asashio for Minegumo and only had to pay the ~1700 doubloons difference. Not bad for a T8 trade-in on a T9 I thought. Figured I could always buy Asashio B for cheap next Black Friday event if I want it back but I find I don't play it anyway.
This is my new favorite dd! Just do it! Start with the 15km then to the 6km.
Do you have a Gremyashchy video?
Immlemann for the Minegumo and Odin for the Karl - Two supercontainer ships for two I know I would enjoy - Couldn't be a better time. PQ validation the wind to my sails
already traded in my khabah and it is very much worth it the ship is really fun to play and strong to
I got this thing for free during the java sea event, lost my mind when I got it, thought it was going to be great, kinda garbage tbh, still think it needs a torp rework or different selection of torps
Im gonna trade in a coal ship to get this since I don't like it and never use it and I can always buy it back, great content and the graphics are amazing!
Eight torps without reload booster just seems too little. For this kind of playstyle the AL Yukikaze is just better because it get's proper F3's and it's T8 with a more favorable matchup spread.
Yukikaze is a Kagero clone, Minegumo has way better gunpower and the possibility to switch torps is amazing, I would never trade my Minegumo for Yukikaze
@@grillmeisterflash
„for this kind of playstyle“ referring to the displayed short-range torpedo boat use. Obviously the Minegumo is the more universal ship. But then again, the tech-tree Yugumo is probably the stronger ship anyway.
I traded my Max Immelmann in for her and don’t regret it. I’ll just rebuy it for coal later.
Can you buy back sherman if i trede him for johan?
@@lukaplavsic9198 You should be able to buy back any coal or steel ship if you trade it in.
@@lukaplavsic9198any coal ship you use for the trade-in you can buy again for coal
yes
I tried this with my Black and went to rebuy it and it said I already had it? Am I misunderstanding something?
Or if you want to be REALLY risky...get rid of Last Stand - do it! Take Last Stand and Consumables buff for swift in silence. If you're getting in and out of engagements fast, strictly only use that repair to repair your engine if it goes out.
What are your thoughts on trading gato for a minegumo/karl johan?
i traded in for the Mini minegumo (yudachi) and absolutely love it
Can you do the Stord 43 on ship request? Nobody ever talks about it due to being part of the Scharnhorst 43 battlepass
I tried running her in Ranked for a change of pace with ships. I found her to just be OK, there are a lot of better choices even in the tech tree (British DD"s for instance) but she will perform if you are careful. Fast reload is nice but she doesn't have many guns. Long range torps are nice too, but slow reload. Super heal and smoke can be deadly in the right fights in ranked though, but you won't carry alone.
If you are new and this is your only premium DD to run ranked she isn't the worst choice to make money and try to win some rounds, but you will be out performed by a Haida or T-61, or even the British tech tree ships.
@@Swarm509 I got it awhile ago and have only played it a few times, it doesn't seem like a bad ship though. Not a huge DD player but dabbling in the PE ships
@@Swarm509its better than Haida or T -any german. None of others have smoke + heal and good overall stats to compete with Stord 43
Very lame. Stord 43 is a series of compromises that ultimately culminate in a mediocre destroyer to be honest. Everybody talks about the smoke and superheal:
The superheals are nice, but you have THE worst base HP of any T6 DD. And Stord 43 is Tier 7. Even if you pop both heals at max potential, you wouldn't be able to touch the base HP of some other T7 DDs.
The smoke is giga garbage. Its worse than the German smoke which is already the worst smoke in the game by a mile. It lasts for 61s and has 2 charges base. Maass, the equivalent German T7, has 3 smokes lasting 71s each. Your smokes will run out even before you've warmed your barrels. Its not a farming smoke, its a knifefighting smoke, like British short smokes but with none of the advantages.
@@ReDiR20 For ranked I disagree and that is my only experience with Stord 43, but I could see it being better in random battles due to more flexibility and ability to farm compared to Haida, and most German DD's.
Haida in ranked has a much better conceal, hydro, and crawling smoke that last a long time. She will rush and ruin a Stord 43 and most other DD's in her tier in ranked. She is a pain to play in other modes or against battleships and cruisers late game in ranked though due to low fire chance and low number of torps though.
Stord 43 is better then tech tree German DD's, but the German premium T-61 is overpowered to the point where I use it to fight DD's up to two tiers higher easily.
I'm not sure if you really had the opportunity with the Colbert this close but if you had managed to claim the Harugumo, you would have had Yamamoto's heal and reload buff that could have changed the game. Or if you had insisted on torping the Colbert maybe. Would have been an absolutely epic play
I can alternativly recommend the Kleber with leg mod. ist also really enjoyable fast torp boat. And the best: no one expect this. this fact shold not be underrated
I think I will wait for a Santa crate. If we could fully trade for it though I would.
Does anyone how many coal ships it takes to get it? I have around 330k coal but have not bought any ships yet.
I somehow ended up with Yoshino and the B version, traded in one of those, dont need 2 of the same.
Too late; I already traded for a Minegumo based on your last excellent video on her. Worth it!
C_W_Poi.... why does that name sound so familar. Player might have featured on a Jingles video.
I traded Anchorage and some pocket change for Minegumo
Thanks PQ, I traded my Hayate for Minegumo, worth the trade
Its a good torp boat with excellent conceal.
Very weak to CVs (they can just hover above you forever) and to smart DD killer boats.
I traded a coal ship and got it, but it is not letting me rebuy the coal ship I traded in! It says I already own it.
Log out completely and close the game. Then log back in. It should let you buy it then.
Traded my gato for this ship.
I think I ll enjoy it a lot.
Plus people won't hate you as much 🙂
@@EvoraGT430 not sure, as a main DD player, I will be far more dangerous with it.
i did for the salem, will get that fun guy back in 2-3 months with coal, no issue. The fun part is those who spent....$$$$$$ i dunno how much for this dd when it was released a few months back must be questioning their choices. Anyway hindsight is 2020 i guess
I might trade in the Salem, Des Moines does the job better, and i have other american premiums now
Minegumo is not an OP torpedo boats by any means. She is just infrequently available.
I swapped my anhalt (supercontainer gift) for this and it... IS ... AWESOME!!!!!!
How about A henri 4 video pq?
Long time I've seen one..and not many people play that these days..
It's been nerfed to hell, sadly.
Very worthit im enjoy
You could argue switching torpedo's lost you that game.
Unfortunately, tonnes of videos on RUclips about ships that are worth owning, but not a single video about the ships that are not good and could be given away for it. For example, what about the Anchorage tier 8, it could be used to get a tier 9. It is unique, but in my understanding this ship isn't that good.
anchorage x minegumo 👀
Creating the problem, and selling you the solution
I traded the freisland for the karl johan IX
Is Dalian worth trading for?
Not sure what type of gameplay you enjoy. It's a decent smoke farmer but that's about all it does. It's also not that different from the tech tree pan asian cruisers minus the lack of deep water torpedoes.
It's kinda bad, and it does not offer unique gameplay.
So i'd say it's not
No, absolutely not.
The guns aren't good (mediocre DPM and 22mm HE pen at T9), survivability is terrible (almost British cruiser bad, but it only gets a standard heal), it has smoke but no spotting (no radar, no hydro, not even a plane). It has decent torps and maneuverability, good concealment for a cruiser (8.9km).
It can do ok fighting DDs if they are spotted by somebody else (although even in a stright gun battle, some high-tier gunboats might actually win) and farming from behind an island or smoke - as long as somebody else spots for you.
It's not very fun, high risk low reward (enemy radar cruisers annihilate it), has little battle impact and no carry ability.
How is this ship in anyway better than Yuugumo? All the things you did in this video could have easily been done even better in Yuugumo with F3s
Can yugumo switch torp types during the game?
The torp reload is a lot worse on Yugumo, isn't it?
Way longer torp reload and unable to switch torp type in the game, let's not forget that Minegumo prints money and captain xp
@@EvoraGT430 F3s on Yuugumo have only 4 seconds longer base reload than Minegumo
@@grillmeisterflash the long range torps are ridiculously slow and have bad detect so you're reliant on primarily using the F3s. Yuugumo only has 4s worse reload on F3s. Yuugumo can also mount TRB. You don't pay over 19k doubloons to just have a shitty premium Yuugumo.
i love this DD.. if all DDs hade the same Trop change mic. wound make the life of DD better.
Ok, stopped the video and got it. Traded my Ragnar for it. It is a 10 on the fun scale. Never really connected with the Ragnar.
Devstriked a Maine with 2 fishes Minegumo goes KEK 😂
traded my FDR for this im not a big cv player and prefer dd's been happy with it so far
i dont get why people hate subs and cv's id rather 2 of each than one of these broken tumours.
No ship is worth trading for except you have too many coal ships and tons of coal and dubs banked.
i love Minegumo
Better than T10 DDs. Good torps and strong guns.
I traded for Minegumo and love it. I traded a coal ship I don't play much, since I can always buy it back later.
Being able to change torp types in game is super flexible. The 6.5 km torps are a bit challenging to use, but hit like a truck. Takes ballz and skillz.
The low detect and smoke are very handy.
I have used the guns when it's safe. They're lower DPM than a Shima, but have some alpha.
And you're right, positioning is everything, same as most other ships.
I took swift in silence instead of survivability and grease the gears. I use the same commander on Asashio.
I've played this twice so far, done well both times, and been reported both times. CV's and Subs are fair game, but reporting DD's for doing well *sigh
I traded Moskva for Minegumo
torpido F3 for tier IX yugumo is better
Day 10 of asking PQ to play the finest Russian BB admiral ushakov with meme lord kuznetsov
AA build!
Hayate is arguably a better ship tier for tier anyways no? TRB meant ur already a superior torpedo boat over minegumo other than concealment, which is still usable anyways. Combine with the fact that you have 10th highest HE dpm meant that while you're not going to outgun people, you can easily defend urself better than any other IJN DD. Also tier 9 MM is worse nowadays thx to supership, but since u can meet tier 7 I guess its still somewhat arguable.
I see no reason why Hayate is not a superior ship if you want a premium IJN DD.
Hayete is the best T10 dd after the buffs. Naturally its better tier for tier
Hayate not premium ship. It's special ship (Tier 10 premium is special ship). special ship don't have money boost like premium ship. Mostly buy these ship cuz those big money number not the best performance.
@@mayshiratoshi6390 While true, it is also pointless to choose a ship that would perform worse or have less opportunities due to their respective lower versatilities, as that would impact the performance which is a greater factor in credit earnings. As tier 10 special ship with lower repair cost, meant it also can earn a sizable amount of credits even on a loss assuming one can perform well.
Not to mention there are a number of coal premiums that superior in terms of performance than Minegumo, like Kearsarge, Iwami, etc.
@@leemarcus6123yeah tier X won't match IX for credits. Thats not a secret.
@@leemarcus6123 Trust me most of the time 1500 exp T9 premium ship paid you much more than 2000 exp special ship.
And on average people 1500-2000 exp considered hard for them (at 45-50% winrate cuz that average people.)
Even my Missouri on easy 1500-2000exp game get me more money than hard carry Wisconsin 2000-2500 exp game. That the point of buying tier 9 premium while price of T9 and T10 is nearly the same.
traded F SSherman for Karl XIV
Can you buy again sherman for coal ? Is it still available?
Yup, I did the same. Then I'll buy Sherman with coal again using the coupon.
Enjoy!
@lukaplavsic9198 yes sherman is available for coal
Play the Sherman again!!!!
1k ;)
I got minegumo for freee dude in the christmas event
I wouldn't personally. There is not much this thing does that the yugumo cannot already do. I was disappointed that the Russian tier 9 secondary battleship was not available despite it having the gamble release event almost 4 months before minigumo's event.
Day 39 of asking PQ to play on Helena
Also not worth for the exchange, nice for a couple of rounds perhaps. But it will end up collecting dust in your harbor.
Maybe, but tbh GK collects more dust in my harbour, only ever play it during anniversary events because it's so damn clumsy
Wow I'm first
complains about torps running out, doesnt switch to the longer range torps.... typical PQ
The long range torps are slow, hit probability is much lower.
Minegumo is piece of crap. Against CV is impossible to play. I regret to buy it.
WG salesman potato quality made the last 3 videos to promote trade in event,dunno why people still watch this particular channel,maybe blindness is on the rise,why cant he be true to others and call the event what it is smh really,greedy people i guess
you have a obligation to inform your viewers that your sponcored by WG FTC regulations