Great video. Would be cool to see these experienced moth sailors performing more advanced boat handling skills, like tacking and gybing while foiling. Do you have any B roll footage to share?
They definitely do tack and jibe. The thing on the front of the bow is called a wand. It senses the hight of the water and then via a flap on the main foil tells the boat how high to fly.
As an ex-Mothie and foil owner, I have to say that I hate the arrogant "future of sailing" slogan. Moths and foilers are fantastic but the idea that there is only one future for the sport is a disgusting slur on other classes. The foiling boat classes are wonderful but they are a tiny niche that is growing very, very slowly if at all. To piss all over every other type with a slogan that implies that there is only one future, and that is foiling, is rude and arrogant and makes me ashamed to have a foil.
Got to love a Moth, and foiling Moth’s are even more awesome. I was part of the rescue squad at Grafham Water in the Uk from 1990 to 2015 and loved seeing the development of these until we got to foiling. I remember being at the wing mark on an open regatta and there were 2 foiling Moths entered-seeing them tearing down to the mark with great speed and virtually no sound was amazing. It particularly appealed since being a competition windsurfer speed was the thing-there was even one guy who was sailing an International Canoe with foils…….
Love foiling in perfect conditions, hate foiling when there is too little wind and/or seaweed. There is no real solution for seaweed as far as my research can tell.
Beautiful cinematography! Shows the elegance of this boats literally floating over the water by some really accomplished sailors who make it look effortless!
does that rod on the front control the pitch of the foil? I've always wondered how the boat "knows" how much lift to generate with a single foil - or anything without a stepped foil or something like that where part of the lift would literally come out of the water and stop generating (meaningful) lift.
Precisely that. The rod is wired into the flanges on the back of the foils, just like an aeroplane's wing flaps. I think there is a bit of spring/mass dampening as well to attentuate the effects of waves, otherwise the foils would oscillate a load!
Definitely NOT the future of sailing. Maybe the future of small boat racing. Where is the place to eat or sleep, where to change into drier clothes and get the much needed sleep before getting up to check the horizon, where to get comfortable and safe while riding out a bad storm? No, definitely NOT the 'future' of sailing.
Can someone explain the purpose of the thing that looks like a rope hanging from the very front of the boat? It seems to drag into the water with something hanging from it… Is this some sort of gauge to measure proper height out of the water?
It's called a "wand" in the moth class, it is what is controlling the flight height through a pushrod and gearing system to a flap on the trailing edge of the main foil (placed on the centerboard).
I believe it controls the pitch of the boat. I think there is a little hydroplane that steers the boat up and down that receives input from that rod with the float on it.
Typically called the wand. It's a rod with a float on the end. It controls the amount of lift generated by the foil. When the wand is parallel to the water, when the hull is sitting in the water, the foil angle is set for maximum lift. As the hull comes out of the water, the angle of the wand/foil change to decrease drag.
@@mrmonkeboy It's a cam and pulley affair. There's lots of adjustability to get the boat to preform optimally for conditions. Like you wouldn't want the flap on the foil to be bouncing up and down 1:1 with the wand bouncing off wave peaks.
The boats are expensive and fragile. For class boat racing, what advantages do they offer? Yes, they are fast but the other boats in the fleet are just about equally fast. So why spend so much money for boats that are less robust than non-foiled boats?
No Luke it does not submerge it has a float on the end so as the boat gets closer to the water it hinges up hence inducing more flap on the foil but like I’ve mentioned the sensitivity can be adjusted
Definitely NOT "the future" of sailing. Only "a" future of sailing. Predicting THE future of almost anything might take genius. Predicting "some" continuation of the past is almost always a correct prediction.
Uh, how about showing ONE completed tack or a jibe. Yes we know moths are fast on foils, but this video deliberately excludes the challenges of changing direction.
No it isn’t, there’s been different classes of boats since forever if speed was the goal of everyone who got a boat to race there would only be tornado classes out there
I want to know that too, one possibility is it adjusts foil incidence in order to keep the boat level - preventing the front foil diving deep or jumping out of the water. So not only to indicate depth but also to auto correct it
What a terrible video. It didn't show one sailor come about. How is that done? What does that look like? And how do you launch from a stop? Nothing but sailors going in a straight line.
So the future of sailing (racing) is to diminish the effect of current on race course choices? No thank you. This is glorified, hyper-priced windsurfing.
Great video. Can someone explain the function of the rod at the front of the boat that seems to be sensing the height above the water? How does it work?
My impression is that is adjusts the angle of attack of the front foil to control the flying height. Keeping the boat relatively level with the fixed foil on the rudder. Maybe someone else can chime in with more detail or a correction of my understanding of its function.
I was wondering too and Googled it. It's called a sensor wand and is directly connected, mechanically, to the first foil to swing it forward to raise or backward to lower the boat. Clever!
Got to be the most developed class in history right back to the 1930s always pushing the innovation boundary These look like a real blast for experience helms
Great video. Would be cool to see these experienced moth sailors performing more advanced boat handling skills, like tacking and gybing while foiling. Do you have any B roll footage to share?
Thank-you. Just what I was thinking.
Rounding the mark. Come on
I wonder how much tacking there would be considering they are going faster than the wind , the apparently wind would aways be a head
Right!!
@@akcarlos obviously, you are not a sailor
Probably no tacking only gybing, like windsurfers do.
But: what's the dingle hanging from the bow?
They definitely do tack and jibe. The thing on the front of the bow is called a wand. It senses the hight of the water and then via a flap on the main foil tells the boat how high to fly.
That’s like an oversized windsurfer
Are those gibe only?
They can tack and jibe
Can they turn?
carefully.
the laziness using slow-motion during the whole video. xD My god...
As an ex-Mothie and foil owner, I have to say that I hate the arrogant "future of sailing" slogan. Moths and foilers are fantastic but the idea that there is only one future for the sport is a disgusting slur on other classes. The foiling boat classes are wonderful but they are a tiny niche that is growing very, very slowly if at all. To piss all over every other type with a slogan that implies that there is only one future, and that is foiling, is rude and arrogant and makes me ashamed to have a foil.
I feel this. Heavy stuff. I am feeling pretty ashamed for picking that title. Thanks for your comment.
The future of all watersports is foiling. No doubt it. The rest is classic. Beautyfull images.
@Xavier Dufay Yes, yes, yes, not sure I understand but I think you nailed it here.
As a person who enjoys relaxed day sailing, I would think that to keep the sport alive requires many different ideas of The Future
Is the future of sailing going in straight lines only?
Got to love a Moth, and foiling Moth’s are even more awesome. I was part of the rescue squad at Grafham Water in the Uk from 1990 to 2015 and loved seeing the development of these until we got to foiling. I remember being at the wing mark on an open regatta and there were 2 foiling Moths entered-seeing them tearing down to the mark with great speed and virtually no sound was amazing. It particularly appealed since being a competition windsurfer speed was the thing-there was even one guy who was sailing an International Canoe with foils…….
Moth is the worst name for it...
Who was the IC with foils? I have sailed both but never knew anyone brave enough to put foils on a Canoe.
@@SolarizeYourLife I think you mean best name.
Love foiling in perfect conditions, hate foiling when there is too little wind and/or seaweed. There is no real solution for seaweed as far as my research can tell.
Beautiful cinematography! Shows the elegance of this boats literally floating over the water by some really accomplished sailors who make it look effortless!
Phooey, first 7 seconds of this video is played backwards (time axis). Boats going backwards. Silly... :-)
Rowing boat 2.0 ;) :)
@@JxH
So what?
Alternating 4x video with slo-mo could go away.
if you have been out on the ocean you know this is not the future of sailing
Where do you set your cooler and beer??
does that rod on the front control the pitch of the foil? I've always wondered how the boat "knows" how much lift to generate with a single foil - or anything without a stepped foil or something like that where part of the lift would literally come out of the water and stop generating (meaningful) lift.
Was thinking the same, every time it hits a wave the front lifts a little.
Kinda makes sense as half your job would be micro-managing the foil.
I was also wondering what that rod was for!
Precisely that. The rod is wired into the flanges on the back of the foils, just like an aeroplane's wing flaps. I think there is a bit of spring/mass dampening as well to attentuate the effects of waves, otherwise the foils would oscillate a load!
probably the most difficult foil machine to master
Definitely NOT the future of sailing. Maybe the future of small boat racing. Where is the place to eat or sleep, where to change into drier clothes and get the much needed sleep before getting up to check the horizon, where to get comfortable and safe while riding out a bad storm? No, definitely NOT the 'future' of sailing.
Looks good in a straight line. No one turns around in the video for some reason ?
Can someone explain the purpose of the thing that looks like a rope hanging from the very front of the boat? It seems to drag into the water with something hanging from it… Is this some sort of gauge to measure proper height out of the water?
sets the angle of the foil to keep boat at the proper height
What is hanging down from the bow ? All new to me ! Thank you for this video
It's called a "wand" in the moth class, it is what is controlling the flight height through a pushrod and gearing system to a flap on the trailing edge of the main foil (placed on the centerboard).
It’s like gauge the help trim the lift tab on the rudder
Thank you for the replies.
@@mads917 Someone must have been near genius level to come up with that. It's like a single " feeler" or antennae on an insect....Moth?
@@FlatlandMando I can only agree. In general the continuous development of the Moth's spawns some truly genious solutions.
I would love to know the purpose of the line hanging down from the bowsprit.
I believe it controls the pitch of the boat. I think there is a little hydroplane that steers the boat up and down that receives input from that rod with the float on it.
Typically called the wand. It's a rod with a float on the end. It controls the amount of lift generated by the foil. When the wand is parallel to the water, when the hull is sitting in the water, the foil angle is set for maximum lift. As the hull comes out of the water, the angle of the wand/foil change to decrease drag.
@@AvenEngineer Nice explanation. Thank you.
@@AvenEngineer is it linked mechanically or is it electronic?
@@mrmonkeboy It's a cam and pulley affair. There's lots of adjustability to get the boat to preform optimally for conditions. Like you wouldn't want the flap on the foil to be bouncing up and down 1:1 with the wand bouncing off wave peaks.
I wish I was 40 years younger. That is amazing!!
Check out Aubrey De Grey on youtube. We are probably not far from being able to reverse biological aging!
Hahaha the opening drone footage has the boats in the jetties going backwards.
No weeds there I guess ?
I imagine these do not handle weeds well.
How you tack without coming off the foils?
quick and consequent
I wonder about the safety of the sailors in a high speed collision ? How fast are these boats ?
I used to race Moth scows and skiffs back in the early 80's. These foil moths look awesome to sail
Thanks Nick! So glad we got your talents to showcase our weekend shenanigans!
Is that you at 2:16?
So sci-fi, also what is the little rod on the front for?
$70,000-$90,000 ea. no thanks.
The boats are expensive and fragile. For class boat racing, what advantages do they offer? Yes, they are fast but the other boats in the fleet are just about equally fast. So why spend so much money for boats that are less robust than non-foiled boats?
Because it is fun....
What's the stick hanging off the bow for? Is it connected to the hydrofoils? Something to do with adjusting foil trim every time the bow pitches down?
You’ve got it in one the wand is connected to the wing on the foil although the sailors can adjust the sensitivity of it
@@stevenmiller5088 wand 👍 Knew there'd be a better word than "stick"!
So, do they adjust it for how far it submerges before it triggers a change?
No Luke it does not submerge it has a float on the end so as the boat gets closer to the water it hinges up hence inducing more flap on the foil but like I’ve mentioned the sensitivity can be adjusted
@@stevenmiller5088 thanks, Steven.
What is the aparatus dangling off the bow sprit?
Go Helena!!!!
Definitely NOT "the future" of sailing. Only "a" future of sailing. Predicting THE future of almost anything might take genius. Predicting "some" continuation of the past is almost always a correct prediction.
What happens when turning around a bouy? Surely the loss of speed has an effect on the lift from the foil?
The foils keep flying as long as speed is maintained. Just like a wing on an airplane.
@@RobertMayfair So just don't slow down and you'll be fine!
Dear Santa …
These are cool, but hard to bring the dog, kids and bbq grill. Future of sailing is a pontoon party boat with enclosed full height head.... to some.
Uh, how about showing ONE completed tack or a jibe. Yes we know moths are fast on foils, but this video deliberately excludes the challenges of changing direction.
Thanks Nick! Such a cool weekend and event to be part of!!!
Rowing boat 2.0 ;) :)
No it isn’t, there’s been different classes of boats since forever if speed was the goal of everyone who got a boat to race there would only be tornado classes out there
Great footage. Wondering what the rod dangling from the bow is for. Is it to indicate the depth of the hydrofoil?
Same here. Adjusting the lateral balance between the hydrofoils?
I want to know that too, one possibility is it adjusts foil incidence in order to keep the boat level - preventing the front foil diving deep or jumping out of the water. So not only to indicate depth but also to auto correct it
@@pisoiorfan that's its purpose.
what's the purpose of the dangly thing in front of the boat? what's it called?
Bollocks. Whats the point of an expensive, complicated machine that only a tiny number of people can have fun with. Screw this and buy a laser.
Love the video. Makes me really want to one day try moth sailing. Was wondering what the music is because I absolutely love it!
Talks about future of sailing..... shows a 40 year old moth. Really?
a knife through the water--amazing
I woul like to know what the possibility of get an accident by having a collision head with this month sail boat?
that is so COOL, that looks like Long Beach or LA Harbor? great accompanying music also
I was dreaming about sailing this way one day..... but not anymore. Now I'm wingfoiling
What a terrible video. It didn't show one sailor come about. How is that done? What does that look like?
And how do you launch from a stop? Nothing but sailors going in a straight line.
How did you train the flying fish to keep you on it's body??!
With or without musak and editing features, straight line sailing has never impressed me
Yes, it looks cool, but it's 35K and made in China. Thanks, but no thanks.
What boat model is this? (This is the WASZP competition model boat)
Butterflies parading on the surface of the water ... Fucking never wake up!
stuff the future bring back the past. I want to sail schooners and square riggers and ships like the cutty sark
Not one single bouy turn, tack, or jibe in this video??? Pointless video.
What's that stick dangling down from the bow?
I want to know how many attempts it took to get up. Foils of any kind are exhausting before you ever get air.
It is really easy to get up. Just bear away.
Not a single tack or jibe? Not even getting started from a dead sto? It makes the video almost worthless.
Not is you can't feel the sea under feet or arse it ain't. This is near surface flying, not sailing.
If that’s the future of sailing, I should’ve gotten into this hobby 30 years ago.
What's that thing they all have dangling from the bowsprit?
Awesome technology and skill. They can travel back to the starting point faster than all the others!
Why manipulate speed in editing when speed is the essence?
When will I be able to buy a 45 foot seven berth yacht that rises out of the water and sails at 40 knots?
Now if you like but it wouldn't be cheap
Fun, no doubt. But the future of ALL of sailing?
whats the dangly bit at the front of the boat ? what is it for ?
Para que sirve el palo de proa que va suelto?
I mean it doesn't look very relaxing
This was the future 15 years ago. It's now the past. This is commonplace.
What is the future now?
Can't wait to see foiling Americas Cup boats leaning into the wind like this.
Was thinking the same thing. I’d like to see it on a bigger boat.
They've been foiling since 2017, great videos one YT
That's NOT sailing, that's hydrofoiling. Some people need to read the definition of sailing, hull needs to be touching the water.
Ahh no it doesn't
So the future of sailing (racing) is to diminish the effect of current on race course choices? No thank you.
This is glorified, hyper-priced windsurfing.
Everything you know about sailing applies just as much to these boats. If you are on the wrong side of the current, you lose.
That’s not sailing, that’s skimming.
I am still completely in aw of this new style of sailing
Squint and it’s windsurfing….
Foil all you want. It's not sailing.
What happens when one of those hits a fish?
How fast is a boat like this?
How long does it take to get 'up' ?
Don't they ever change tack?
Wind Water Warriors They Are.
Looks like a practical comfortable way to get around
I assume sarcasm but in case anyone doesn't know these are very difficult to sail in both terms of technique and physicality.
UNITED STATES NAVY, you can, and you SHOULD weaponize this. It is a superior hullform for manned torpedo boats, and torpedo drones.
This is not sailing, it is foiling.
How fast are they going
For kids, not older folks.
Wen atlantic crossing?
no time to see how they tack!
Is this not just flying?
Hydrofoils are awesome
Future? 20 - 30 years .
Great video. Can someone explain the function of the rod at the front of the boat that seems to be sensing the height above the water? How does it work?
My impression is that is adjusts the angle of attack of the front foil to control the flying height. Keeping the boat relatively level with the fixed foil on the rudder. Maybe someone else can chime in with more detail or a correction of my understanding of its function.
I was wondering too and Googled it.
It's called a sensor wand and is directly connected, mechanically, to the first foil to swing it forward to raise or backward to lower the boat.
Clever!
Gumguards mandatory
I spotted a single woman among the sailors - is this for muscle men only?
No! Anyone can sail a moth!
And once upon a time we used to think water starting a sinker sailboard was cool ! 😎😎😎😎😎😎
Water starting is still cool! 🙂
They finally built a seat onto a sailboard,Genius!
Got to be the most developed class in history right back to the 1930s always pushing the innovation boundary
These look like a real blast for experience helms