AT&T / Lucent 5ESS removal 5000 line switch.
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A work trip that I was involved in removing a decommissioned Switch.
The new owners plan is to reinstall it in the future.
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This was an awesome project. I'm glad I was invited to help remove it.
Dude! Thank you for preserving history!
I work in corporate administration (project management) for a major telecom and this was so interesting to see. I've heard about 5ESS switches for the last half of my life and fun to finally get to see the ins and outs.
keep us up to date on the re-install
This was a really fun project to work on!
Impressive, hope you have the opportunity to recover your cost of removal and most importantly that you find a good home for the 5 ESS.
5E has a home with me here in Orlando. Have it at a friends place in my truck in Ohio right now as I am having some engine issues, after I solve that I am getting some space ready for it.
As far as recovering my cost, The only thing I can thing of is possibly selling some of the spare cards/cards in LTP bays I will never use.
But the cost to move this thing was insane.
Totally worth it though :)
@@tieline1333 I've been told of the great box truck saga. Good luck!
This is an awesome video! I have a 5ESS served POTS line, and I've always wanted to see high quality video of one.
I hope that we can see the 5ess powered up and running again soon. I’ve watched the DMS100 build by Joe, awesome!!! Hope to see that same with this one once it’s at its final spot.
You have a link for that build?
@@2dfx A little late, but ruclips.net/video/-8qjfPgVAAs/видео.html
Thanx for the video. I never worked on ESS central offices as I went on to CPE, Mitel, NEC and Northern Telecom
Brings back memories. I was in the tech support group for the Lucent 5ESS switches in the AT&T network before it was outsourced to Nokia and India. Spent many of days and nights working with the central office techs changing out cards, tracing wires, putting recordings in the 15A(Rec Anc) you showed, and so on. The TDM switches days are coming to a close as soft switches(VOIP) take over.
For many years, these things were absolutely state of the art. (Esp during the Internet boom of the '90s and early '00s.) Thousands of these were installed all across North America. Now they are considered obsolete junk. Think on that!
Yep... Thinking on that... I started in 1970 on a WECO SXS switch that was 40 years old. We cut that to a #1 ESS in 1977 and then to a DMS100 in 1991. That switch still in service at maybe 1% its capacity we concentrated remaining lines and retired the unused equipment. I was hoping to stick around to see POTS gone but sadly retired in 2020. Was a GREAT run!
This was top of the line when it was installed in early 1995. It ran for 25 years before it was turned down in 2020.
It could well be argued that the 5ESS and the DMS250/500 were vital to the start of the public internet. In the days when it was dialup hunt groups (I can't TELL you how many pairs I punched down in our datacenter or how many DB25 cables I chopped into to make fanout cables!), they were the only ones capable of doing it. In the brief run of ISDN and HDSL, wouldn't have happened without them. So, these machines are are worthy of respect, just like the Cisco 7500 core routers and 2500 end user T1 routers.
These are still in service all over the world maybe 3000 in USA.
They were state of the art in the 80s perhaps but beyond that were antiquated and expensive to maintain as the world was moving toward IP/optical networks.
If Dillon is the one who scored this, he's a rich, rich man. Walking away with a gold mine of history. Looking forward to updates of it in it's new home. Loving these videos!
That’s for sure I’m one of his friends, ❤he’s a really good friend! As I’m typing this it’s NEW YEARS 2024 🎉
Wow 😍 I’d have fun spending ten hours a day on projects like this!
Are you ghay?
So if a subscriber served by this central office still has POTS, how are they served once the 5ESS was decommissioned?
This is probably served by a VoIP soft switch with a physical line gateway like a Genband G5, basically a MASSIVE ATA that the subscribers phone lines are cut over to
This small telco converted most of their customer base to Fiber to the Home (FTTH) technology and phone calls are all via VOIP to a softswitch. The one that this telco uses is called Metaswtich. The few remaining copper customers go through a media gateway to convert from copper to VOIP and are switched at the VOIP level (actually SIP).
I had moved from where a 1A was in place, I couldn't get my two line RSVP (AIN I believe) installed at the adjacent wire center, and I did migrate to ISDN there then 1-way cable modem networked to three PCs in the smallest bedroom.
I was the only person on the 1A to get RSVP as it was not actively sold, but as a business office rep, I asked and get.. they had to build it up for me, its like a baby Centrex, it was misconfigured so i could call any of the 6 or so NXXs with 5 digits and a prefix of (bot sure which) * or #.
I had a lot of fun with it.
As my school days caused me to move to a different wire center we first had a 1A there, and I think it was crossbar at the old place, I discovered a fluke using ESX with two callers talking to each other, each person had to have received a ESX tone, it didn't matter if they clicked over, we built a ESC call by having a third party call one of us (note we didn't subscribe to ESC) so when the third person called one of the other two, the line that would end up holding if the call was taken flashed first, then the line that got the extra party flashed, and the other held party flashed one more time and the three way call was activated. Nowadays the replacement switches barely mute while splitting the line to announce ESC..
We couldn't get these features at the former residence nor my grandma who lived off a downtown switch in her town.
I miss the business office job.. not the observing. Eventually my office was closed after I left. VZ land wireline)
I hope to dial into it on cnet in the future!
It may even be put on the PSTN.
Never got to see anything uninstalled. Went from company to company until the last one where we only needed soft switches.
I know of at least one office, that could use parts from this Switch, as it got wet due to roof leaks!
I get the distinct impression Phil is not fond of anything GTE or Automatic Electric.
Having worked at my RBOC for 10 years before, I was curious to know what was becoming of the copper switching network with the sunset of POTS services...
Thats two bad. All the telcos are switching over to voip. :-). My old pots line is now going to my internet hub in the basement and through a fibre cable back to the c/o. Its supposed to be clearer but now I have to have a UPS to keep it working when the power goes out. Grrr. Oh well I guess everyone has cellular telephones now so it doesn't matter
Very very nice. Thank you for the save. All I got is my small collection of partner and ip office systems. :)
Just a little guy. Interesting to see these coming out of the network after all these years.
What customer is this being removed from?
Who do you guys work for? Nokia or Goodman?
Wow!
I always heard when a SXS or crossbar office was turned down it was destroyed by salvage companies is this true?
I used to think this was true too but it was not in all cases, some switches were retired in place and others were sold off whole or taken away for private collections or museums
Most were sold for scrap or were sold for parts. But some were saved for museums or private collections.
I heard that, here in Canada, some of the switches were re-deployed to small northern communities.
NEEDING someone skilled in translations for the Lucent 5ESS which is currently being used. Specifically, need to turn OFF call code type 074 and turn ON call code type 009---can you help?
ISDN it still does nothing .. Was the 5e still in service before it was removed?
Was in service until about 2019 or 2020. Had power ran until a month before we arrived.
So, what's goin' to happen to it?
Plans are to reinstall it someday and put it back on the PSTN.
@@diamonddave45 Awesome that it's gettin' saved rather than junked!
Most likely scrapped. I couldn't give away my Nortel stuff.
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@@teglin What's funny? He's already applied for inter-connection agreements with the ILEC.
was this by any chance in ft. worth TX?
nvm just checked the switch house I thought it was based on the houses around it in the video, but it doesn't match up.
what are you replacing that 5ESS with?
It was replaced by a Metaswitch
@@tieline1333 is that a soft swich, also known as optical swich
Are you able to say what the Telephone Company replaced it with?
No They don't want publicly
If I had to take an educated guess, it’s probably just a rack of servers running “soft switch” software. More capacity with a fraction of the space and power requirements. The majority of POTS lines have been replaced by fiber and are IP switched these days.
I miss read the question it was replaced with a Meta switch. They did nit want there name released.
It's a Metaswitch packet switch/softswitch.
@@jtoddk98 Most of their customer base out of this small telco has been converted to Fiber to the Home.
I guess I gave up my POTS line (formerly 5ESS) El Segundo, CA just in time.... ;)
Though the switch which serves this area located in El Segundo is most likely now a 5E-XC. Nokia who since 2016 is the maintainer of the intellectual property once held by Western Electric.
Where there any CDC 8" HDDs still in this system? I remember seeing those installed in ATT 3B5/3B15 systems at the then ATT Beaudry location (Old Bell Building) in downtown Los Angeles in 1986.
@@DandyDon1 No big CDC HDD's. However this switch is equipped with a reel to reel tape drive & DAT drives.
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why don't you donate that 5ESS to the connections museum in Seattle
Its not mine
O. I see. Do you have any OSPS operatorterminals?@@sxsphil
I bought & moved the 5E seen in the video. (I'm Dylan) I have plans on putting the switch back in active service. It will not be going to a museum.
O. @@tieline1333
@@tieline1333 Was the 3B15/20 computer saved as well or was this a 5ESS remote?
What is a 'meta switch'?
A VoIP based "softswitch" that runs in software on standard PC server hardware, the analog lines are connected to a line gateway which acts like a massive ATA and communication is done internally via SIP, however there is compatibility for digital T1, etc. trunks
It's a brand of softswitch (packet switch). It's one of the largest brands in the industry for carrier-grade packet switching. It's amazing how the Metaswitch and the associated media gateway (for their last remaining copper customers) takes up less than a single rack of equipment. On the other hand, this 5ESS took three rows and 17 cabinets/racks of gear.
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@@Look_What_I_Did what is a dick?
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It’s going back into service here in Orlando…. It’s not going to scrap..
@@tieline1333 Why? I mean that's cool - but normally these things are thrown into a scrap dumpster.
Great to see photos of all the usual suspects.