Is the Sole Survivor a Synth? A Fan Conspiracy Theory
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Sole Survivor: *about to destroy the Institute*
Random Courser: "C5-69 initialize factory reset"
Sole Survivor: *Dies*
Well...I guess I'll just have me one of them chicken wings. 😞
Maybe Father discarded the recall code
Justas Griškevičius, that’s actually funny.
* the death music plays*
C5-*69* you say? Nice.
Something I found that corroborates this is a terminal in the Robotics lab in the Institute that describes the effects of VATS and says they are field testing Synths with it. And if you start a new game you can enter VATS mode without your pipboy....
Why thank you, I find odd that nobody else, specially Ox, didn't mention this.
thanks for sharing, that's wild
Sherlock Ohms finally, someone who noticed this besides myself!
Sherlock Ohms that's possibly a glitch the game has the action and thinks you don't know the button to activate it and the pipboy "activates" it would that be right?
I don't know. I feel with Bethesda's attention to detail on certain parts of the story that they would remember to add a trigger like waiting until the pip-boy to activate VATS. May sound ambiguous, but I feel like with Bethesda's track record that its equally as likely it was an accident as it was intentional and they added that one terminal record to explain it.
Maybe we could chalk up the Survivor's memory loss to being frozen in storage for centuries.
Its intentionally done, so that the definition between man and machine is blurred for the main character. The whole game is about "What makes a human, human?"
The railroad believes all sentient lifeforms are "human" or at least deserving of life.
The brotherhood of steel preaches purity. Despite the fact that they themselves, have genetically altered, and cyberneticly enhanced themselves to the point where an argument could be made that they aren't human. (Making them massive hypocrites lol)
The institute believes that machines, and nonhumans are lesser, (including the slightly mutated wastlanders) nothing but tools despite the fact that they intentionally make synths more and more human, and self aware.
The Minute Men are the only faction that completely side steps this philosophical debate, as essentially they only care for a protected and safe commonwealth for all.
@@shaggyspade2468Brotherhood under maxim is odd. in all honestly if Sara had remained in charge i could see the BoS being better. But they probably purposesly made this iteration of BoS worse so that it wasnt so cut and dry for who was the best good ending.
@@damienmitchell3104 The Brotherhood of steel isn't a single faction, their are multiple splinter factions (chapters) each with varying levels of bigotry, and hypocrisy. (Some are good, but it's few)
The east coast faction (chapter) is pretty bad, but the Mojave faction (chapter) of the Brotherhood is pretty good.
Most players don't realize how splintered they are and each group either hates and only begrudgingly works with each other or is actively at war with the rest.
Oh and 90% of the splintered off factions (chapters) refuse to change their name. And its so bad that its really impossible to point at any one group as the original Brotherhood of Steel.
Because of this a lot of players are blinded by the name and never realize they might be helping the villains. The best way to tell is if someone starts talking about purity or purging they are most certainly the villains... lol, but most weebs wouldn't be able to register that.
@@shaggyspade2468 the west coast faction actually cut off the east coast faction because lyons kept helping people, and wasnt "focusing on the mission." From what ive seen, Elder Maxson's ideals are more in line with other factions of the brotherhood.
@@alexkimmel386 not really. The west coast brotherhood’s goal is to preserve technology. Maxson’s ideals are to wipe out anything that isn’t human. The brotherhood in the early fallout games had to be convinced by the player to fight the Master’s super mutants, whereas Maxson just kills anything and everything.
"If I squint real hard in the mirror, sometimes I look like someone else."
I just got that joke.
I don't get it
I think I get it now. Is it because when you squint in a mirror, it makes you look like a grumpy old man?
Have you ever done that? When you squint your eyes and your eyelashes make it look a little not right and then with just enough light comes from just the right side and you find you're not who you're supposed to be?
idk i thought it was a reference to the beginning of the game when you are customizing your character in the mirror but i guess i just don't get it haha
Marmite Badger LOL me too!
The sole survivor is clearly a dovahkiin
* SKYRIM MUSIC INTENSIFIES *
>get thawed out from cryosleep
>"hey you, you're finally awake"
@@partyparrot8495 you were trying to cross the border right?
Ray P same as us. You walked right into that imperial ambush.
@@anonymoussmartass5347 and that horse thief over there.
I feel like Shaun would of told you, an praised you as his best creation. You've been able to assimilate your old memories, with people, no malfunction that is present. You would essentially be the best synth they have every made...
Well im not sure about them being able to remember all their old memories, the sole survivor can only remember the day the bombs fell and some minor pre-war information. Shaun may have been a baby at the time but he was still present that day, using the same technology as what the memory den uses he could've relived that memory and recreated it in the sole survivors mind
@@nomaidens5734 gameplay and narrative limitations. when is the last time a fictional character had an entire lifetime of memories created?
@@Blox117zio. Kratos. Master Chief. Fable series. Just to name a few instances
@@themop7007 so your entire lifetime can be summed up in 5 minutes. congrats, NPC
@@Blox117 Dude…. Are you comment baiting right now? There’s no way you’re that dense…
The brotherhood runs a scan of the system where they find danse is a synth and would have found you aswell
Plus,regardless of what you say, during the Covenant test you pass and they let you in
although an interesting piece of evidence, there are many possible explanations as to why the sole survivor's data wouldn't be in the institute database that gets ripped off. one possibility is that he/she is not a synth. another possibility is that for some reason (top secret pet project?) the data has been purposefully omitted
@@alanoxford6219 their data
@@alanoxford6219 and they are
they found the"missing synths" file
so no youre wrong about that idea
if you open a terminal in the institute there's a file about a special project...that project can slow the time(vats) and many more info that i forgot but it matches to player
hell...he/she cant even remember about his/her past...the player is indeed a SYNTH
A key detail that makes me think the Sole Survivor is not a synth, is think of how much complaining there was at the Institute for creating child Shaun. Sure, there may have been some reasons, such as that he will always be smaller and weaker than an adult-size synth, but the complaints were more focused around the hubris of creating him. The same could easily be said of making a synth parent of Father. SOMEONE at the Institute should have complained about it, maybe even mentioned it to your face, if you were a synth created simply to "see what would happen".
Also of note, Father is already dying when he finally pushes the button to let you out. He knows that this is likely your only chance at having a life, because whoever takes over after him might choose to just turn off your life support, or raiders may eventually find their way into the vault, or some other disaster could end your life while still in cryostasis. And so, letting you out and observing what you do really ARE some kind of experiment to him, a little reason for his conscience to justify his letting you live. He gets to see what kind of person you are, to see how he could have been raised if the Institute hadn't interfered in his life. And, no matter how it ends, it really has no impact on his life at this point.
Tbh, Father could have had the team that built SS killed to leave no loose ends and so this could be why no one knows about this. Like remember the movie Face Off ? How the team that transferred the faces were killed to leave no loose ends ?
@@Deadsea_1993 Highly unlikely. What is the purpose behind such secrecy that you would need to eliminate people that would otherwise be useful resources to the ongoing goal of populating the world with synths?
He did not kill those who created child Shaun. He likely would have put more observers on you instead, if you were a synth, because there would be more data that the Institute could gather to improve their synth development and control even further just from studying a synth survivor making their way through the wasteland.
@@Deadsea_1993 It's more likely that only a few knew and those were 'sent away', like maybe the leader of the SRB? If a whole team of institute people died suddenly that would have been in the institute's records.
@@BattleSpew The child Shaun was a cover for a new generation of synths. The institute's scientists refer to him being an experiment in emotional stress, but the child displays a quality he shares with the SS that is unique to the two of them. Shaun makes the Wazer Wiffle from a few scrap objects the SS brings back for him, while the SS makes FUSION GENERATORS and INDUSTRIAL WATER PURIFIERS!?! from a little scrapped junk items! Name any character in fallout 4 with that same capability.
@@darrekworkman5595 All of those things the SS can create are purely game mechanics. If the SS was a synth he would be unable to take radiation damage.
Oxhorn is a Synth - Confirmed
Lol
@American Patriot what u talking about synth cuz when i killed u, u had a synth component
What a twist
Panics in Synth*
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I like this theory. I can see it both ways. Thank you for taking the time to delve into this theory. I've been playing Fallout games for a long time. I'm a 70 year old grandmother. I enjoy your videos very much. Have a great day today!
Yooo a gaming grandma, cool.
I hope you are still healthy and doing fine !
70yo grandmother? Sounds like something a synth would say...
@@fernandocontreras1577 she'll be fine as long as she stays away from the chems... RIP Mama Murphy.
Yoooo mama Murphy gaming!
14:03 can we take a moment to realize how STUPID it is that you are "stealing" from the brotherhood as you are murdering them all?
codsworth hated that.. that is not the important thing here...
edit: also nice vid but my guy did you just leave behind maxons unique power armor AND final judgement?? 15:30
He stoopihd
You can go back after everything chill there and the final judgment is just laying on a pile of rubble. But how can you leave a full set of T60f power armor?
I think Bethesda did this on pourpuse, they wanted to hint that the sole survivor could be a synth. They just want to make it feel as if he could be or could not. This actually reminds me of a futuristic tale called "Impostor" that basically goes around this topic. A man is suspect from being an alien robot replacing the real one, but he has no way to know if he is one or not, since he would have the same memories anyways.
I found evidence. On a terminal in the Institute they mention they are working to implement abilities in their gen 3 models that exactly describe VATS.
Here is what it says:
"Overriding directive to not alter our synths' basic functioning notwithstanding, Father has granted clearance for a rather unique project.
In select Gen 3 units, the synthetic brain is indeed capable of accepting specific enhancements to the visual cortex, basal ganglia and right parietal cortex. The result is substantially improved combat effectiveness, due to two factors:
1.) An increased understanding of weapon accuracy, to the extent that the combatant can actually visualize the percentage of effectively hitting targets (or smaller areas on those targets).
2.) An altered sense of perception that mimics the effect of slowing, or even stopping, time.
Recommend we commence surgery and field trials on appropriate operatives in the near future.
"
Don’t all synths come with a shutdown code? The institute would definitely use it on the SS if they were destroying it
Good point
I think when Kellogg referred to "the old man" I believe he was talking about Dr. Zimmer from fallout 3
I JUST WANTED TO CLAP SOME MAGNOLIA CHEEKS
NOT QUESTION MY EXISTENCE
Dem cheeks doh
Wait if all synths are made from shauns DNA does that mean its incest?
@@horribleperson9531 oh no
This is Boston, not Alabama
@@horribleperson9531
No. The Institute needed Shaun's non-mutated genetic code to use as basically a "blueprint" for how to create *artificial* DNA, artificial DNA they could manipulate as they please. This is why there are synths of various ethnicities regardless of what the Sole Survivor him/herself is. Magnolia is no more closely related to the Sole Survivor than any other random wastelander.
Synths aren't clones unless they're specifically designed to be, like with Shaun and Mayor McDougnah.
I got this idea from one of the terminals in the bioscience lab in the institute, clearly mentioning the VATS system. “New synths” with the ability to “slowdown time” and “visually displaying % to hit objects”
Naw Why would Institute even make a synth their leader? I mean they had some dumb plans but they do have common sense right?
Ah, but what if only Father knew that the sole survivor was a synth? No one in the Institute need know!
***** Nice point, yet hasn't he grew up in the institute? That would mean he was thought to think of synths as machines that are supposed to serve them not control them?
I mean maybe people believe it's true but I really want to believe that DiMA just did not give us time to say anything more and started jumping to conclusions. It strokes my my ego. Well if anyone wants to be a synth then they could believe this though.
Sure, but he changed. That's why he describes young synths Shawn as needing a "family". He clearly doesn't think of synths as mere machines by the time he dies.
***** Yeah... but why did Shaun even do this? Not for tests because they already did create a sentient creature, he was... bored? That would be totally wierd if SS was actually a synth. Ok, kellogs mission to the vault was to get Shaun (For his DNA of course). And this theory makes it like they took SS for no apparant reason and replaced him. Look at this, Shaun turned off the cryo sleep for SS got him out they had a touching moment as for "wha-a happend?" and they just kill him? Shaun learned about us after he got to be Father (remind me if wrong) and then he woken us up, so if the innitial replacement happend why would Father kill off his dad? So many wrong things I just can't allow myself to accept. I believe I'm not a synth and that I'm the person from 200 years ago that witnessed the bombs.
That one Girl Well, the Institute wanted to create the perfect machine. The Sole Survivor could be a Gen 4 synth has true free will that cannot be remotely influenced.
I think the only issue with this theory is that the father does nothing to stop him when he destroys the institute, surely it'd be easy for him to just deactivate him, reset him or something with the knowledge they have.......
Unless he didn't have a recall code, because Father wanted this Synth to as human as possible.
Well Father doesn't remember anything from before the war, neither does he know who his parents are, so how does he know what memories to program in the sole survivor.
he does know who his parents are and in the memory den you have the ability to look at the past memories of the deceased provided their brain is intact(which the sole survivors would be but not the spouse) using the sole survivors memories in a machine like those in the memory den is well within the institutes capabilities which explains how they swap people with synths in the first place (brotherhood spoiler being an example)
craig boykin you need living brain matter for that to be successful remember. It only works with kelloggs memories because his brain was cybernetic.
Ben Grainger no go thru the dialogue she says she needs an intact brain which you unfortunately couldnt get.
craig boykin she also says living gray matter.
Yes, but I am sure that the institute looked through Kellogg's memories while implanting him. This would allow Father to figure out that the sole survivor was their parent.
The Institute's director at the time 60 years prior was a female as seen in the director's holotape#108 which refers to an event where a synth went in diamond city and killed some people due to a malfunction. This event happened 60 years ago as per Piper's "The synthetic truth" article.
Δημητρης Μπεκιαρης this
Wrong
Then why would Kellogg refer to her as the old "man". If it's a woman, that would be quite odd
Chap McBigKnob Kellogg was saying he wonders if Shaun let Nate or Nora out of the freezer and helped his parent to kill him because Kellogg wasn't sent back to base via. teleportation and was told to stay where he was, remember the Kellogg that is talking in the memory is the dead one he is walking through his memories with you, it isn't you walking through his old thoughts but rather his last ones. So when he said "old man" he was talking about Shaun
Logan Denton oh yeah. You're right.
Imagine this encounter with Father after learning about Gen 4's.
Father: The Gen 4 synth project the perfect test, the perfect successor to humanity. You.
Sole Survivor: No, no I watched everyone around me die I had everything ripped from me! My home destroyed from the war! My life! Then the one I loved died and my son was snatched by you people, you monsters.
Father: Haven't you wondered about your sudden resilience to radiation or maybe how quickly you heal from combat encounters? You eat the very grime of the earth and your teeth miraculously have not degraded?
Sole Survivor: No! You double speaking sack of shit I, I am real! I feel pain and felt more than any the day you took my family from me! *SS punches Father to the ground.* You've taken everything from me!
Father: Those, *cough,* feelings you have are not real.
Sole Survivor: They are real to me!
SWTFU2?
I did find hard evidence of sole survivor being synth. in one if institute terminals 1C i think, u find a piece of text that explains how synths experience something in combat very similar to VATS.
You're not a synth because radiation can harm you
There's only one flaw in the theory.
Memories.
How does the institute get memories of someone who hasn't been alive for years?
Valentine has memories of someone else cause the original Valentine had his brain preserved for scientific study.
How does the institute take memories from a corpse that hasn't had any neural activity for decades?
If you were in cryo you would be preserved
Yea
I think i have an answer, the dream den, you relive memories, if you think about it, after the sole survivor goes through Kelloggs memories, we all know that the institute would never let us go through the secrets of Kellogg's brain willy nilly, they made it so kellogg's brain only shows some vauge memories, kellogg's child hood, his midlife, meeting the institute, all memory den trips for every character are kept on tape so that for usual customers can get loaded up quick, whats stopping a gen-3 sythn from grabbing that tape? The tapes have all memories of your life copied on them, so if you take the holotape, load it into a holotape player and load it into a gen-3 synth, bada-boom, bada-bang, the lone wanderer.
Still consider that the SS may have died to a failure of life support in the vault, disrepair and it being experimental, and that could render the original SS unusable and then they would have to make fake memories based on whatever information they were able to collect from pre-war archives
@@keithkania3810 Hence why the skybox within the SS's memory of Shawn being taken by Kellog is the exact same as an implanted memory.
I think it is ultimately something Father carries with him to the grave. Whether the Sole Survivor was a nostalgic experiment of Father's or a Synth experiment meant to give Father an eternal legacy, Father is the only one who knows this. Even with SS and Father being 'strangers' to one another, Father does make attempts to become closer to the Sole Survivor. He is not a man comfortable with emotions, so it makes sense that he lacks the confidence to do this and resorts to a Holotape. Even with the trust Father places in SS for taking care of Synth Shaun, I think Father's own true experiment was of this Synth SS: that you are his legacy (in a reverse way)
I have a theory I hope someone reads. Perhaps the old man Kellogg refers to IS Father and he isn't your son, but someone who orchestrated this whole thing. It HASN'T been 60 years noone would ever make it out but you. And you are a Synth made to believe all this has happened to you, but the Father just wants to observe if you can develope the emotion of a parent and to what legths you would go to save what you perceive as your son. It makes sense that we would be introduced to this story by Kellogg, a man who has a similar tragedy that has left him too broken to care or to question anything and who could not provide any other information. He just does what the old man told him to, knowing damn well where this will lead...He simply doesn't care, not much to live for anyway.
That is a good theory. I thought it was odd, when you ask Father for proof, he doesn't just say let's do a DNA test. They understand DNA, better than we do, they can create life from it. The only data pointing against this, is one scientist calls father Shaun.
Eh
I think father was also trying to create the ultimate role model for the institue someone with real experience and loyalty
Timeline broo
Except one thing. The Soul Survivor has memories of prewar. It's pretty much referenced throughout the game. Where would the institute get the memories of him if he was DEAD? The lady in the memory den says that memories are gone as soon as you're dead but since Kellogg had a chip, it was a way to access his memories.
Father was a baby at the time, but it’s also possible that the memories came from him, considering all the ones the player references involve him and what he could’ve seen or heard.
sleeper cell events? I only say this cuz I’m not very prewar fallout lore knowledgeable and it feels like it’s an unknown memory when you mention it in dialogue. Kinda like when I talked to Bruce Issac or whatever in FNV with no prior knowledge of Reno lol
@@nopressure6986 Codsworth was present for the prewar section up to running for the vault.
Maybe Shawn just wanted to know if his parents were "worthy": being a self-centered grown-up, with the idea that his lineage has something unique might have developed into the idea that people taking care of him must be somehow worthy (E.g. Kelloggs). Maybe he just wanted to put to test the 2nd parent's DNA so to prove his own
I love how you went a completely different path than Shodycast, and talked more about lore than talking about how the lone survivor is a “living” war machine that takes on a courser less than a month after being unfrozen for a couple hundred years
Also you can find most of the sanctuary townsfolk near fort hagen as ghouls.
They are actually a random encounter! Depending on your level, they are tougher ghouls. I find the most common place to find them is around Lexington.
Those are just the peeps who didn't get into the vault so this has basically no point in mentioning
The institute would never make a synth their leader, and Saun gives you his position. Therefore, you aren't a synth.
Maybe the synth player was created in secret?? and that father liked the idea of a synth taking power as the very creed of the institute is about moving away from the past to forge a better future. in fathers eye having superior synthetic humans eventually replacing natural humans (the synths being his prodigy also) would make him very happy. I feel I have a comfortable grasp of the institute mind set as I am a scientist and I do fully appreciate there cold logic... though it is often a tad extreme
SKC 123 Well, those guys in Bioscience were unhappy about the sole survivor becoming leader and tried to stop it by locking their door.
It is possible that they knew about it and I have heard people there discussing the ethics of creating human like synths before.
However, if this is the case and they wanted the player demoted their best course of action would be to broadcast the news that the player is a synth. Shaun may be an exception, but the institute as a whole wouldn't allow a synth to lead them.
The institute would absolutely not want a synth as a leader, absolutely agree with you there. It doesn't matter in the end because it is only a matter of time before the synths take over the institute.
Kaleb Bruwer your right
Even the scientists don't know everything that goes on themselves, they even say from time to time they feel as if they aren't getting the whole story, all it would take is a request from father for a synth made to some specifications and then wait a couple of years. He wouldn't have to tell them what he was planning and it wouldn't seem out of the ordinary for him to do just that.
The Theory really centres around two key pieces of evidence:
1. A terminal entry in the Institute robotics lab that tells us about an experiment they want to do with a gen 3 synth that would give the synth the ability slow time and see hit chance percentages which is what the SS has at the start of the game before they get the pip-boy
2.DIMA asks the SS if he/she is a synth and the we can tell him we suspect we are one and then DIMA will ask us about our memories at which point its established that what we see before the being frozen is actual the only memories the SS has, if that's how we want to role play it.
Put this with what father says in his terminal about releasing the SS he says 'was it all for nothing?' all of what? sending a synth into vault 111 hitting a button and leaving before the SS can spot it, and then further in the entry he states that he will have 'learned valuable things about myself my past' but how does he learn anything from the SS wondering the wasteland other than if he/she wants to find their son Sean, also after the battle of bunker hill he tells the SS that releasing them was a 'experiment of sorts' and he 'wanted to see what would happen'
And finally Nicks memories and personality comes from a pre war detective whose brain was scanned and copied, with that copy hundreds of years later after the war being put on to Nicks synth hardware.
So maybe everything before the cryo pod was the real SS but he died in the pod at some point after seeing baby Sean taken then the grown up Sean found out the truth and that both his parents were now dead but preserved in the pod so he hatched a plan to bring back to life his parent in a gen 3 synth, but because he wanted fidelity he needed the synth to believe he's the real parent and that rules out the one who got shot because waking up in the cyro pod after dying from being shot would be a bit of a give away, so by scanning their brain but only being able to get the memories of the day the bombs dropped he created a story that would bridge the gap in time between being frozen, having baby Sean taken and waking up with just enough to get the SS to act on trying to find Sean just like the real parent of Sean would have, only the synth SS has the experimental upgrade that gives him/her the ability to slow time and see hit percentages before they get the pip-boy.
Oh and Synths can get Sick as its motioned on a terminal that gen 3 synths had a blood upgrade that improves clotting and reduces infection risk and there's the institute Doc we can see testing a drug on a gen 3 synth they do seem to need to eat as there is evidence for this on Liam Binet's terminal stating that the like to eat fancy lad snake cakes which it is the institute would let the eat if theirs no reason to also Curie says she needs eat and drink as a synth.
@Ryan Firstly perhaps they got more information from scanning Nate or Nora or both their frozen brains than I theorised explaining most of this, but Vault-tec knew about their jobs as the rep states at the start of the game because of your families service to our country you have preselected to join our local vault, and as the Institute likely got the information about Sean from Vault-tec archives they likely learned about the parents as well.
Also Captain Ironsides knows who Nate and Nora are on first meeting them, so he either carry's the records of everyone in pre-war Boston or even the entire US or hes got some remote access to a data base somewhere, and at the Fraternal Post where Nate was to give a speech there's a terminal mentioning Nate as their honoured speaker and War Hero.
Codsworth also could of been found outside their house and had his memory data downloaded which would of given more information about Nate and Nora
As for things like The Silver Shroud TV show, Kent plays and talks about it on the radio a lot and theres the comic shop, as for Baseball there probably records somewhere that would tell them the actual rules and history of the game.
Gathering this information would be a lot of the effort for the Institute (Farther) and might be what he is referring to when in his notes he asks himself 'was this all for nothing?'
I think it is possible for the SS to be a synth and Bethesda had it on their mind too but wanted to keep it the subtle and wanted to leave it up to players to decide, this wouldnt be the first time they've done this, look at Skyrims Civil War debates some say Ulfric is a thalmor spy as in the Thalmor Dossier he's referred to a asset and other people like myself point out the context of the whole dossier which implies he's been intentionally let loose and not under Thalmor control like how in WW1 Lenin was released by the Germans to cause a political uprising against the Tsar so Russia would be fighting against themselves rather than the Germans.
So I think its still possible you are a Synth but for role purposes Bethesda wanted you to have a choice depending on how you interpret their hints at the possibility or if they are just Easter eggs
@Ryan 1. This is being done by Farther likely without anyone in the Institute knowing
2.The Institutes technology is most likely capable of hacking Codsworth and downloading any Information on Nate and Nora and Sean and then removing any memory of them hacking him
3. Danse remembers being a child growing up in Rivet City selling Junk he scavenge, so the SS could remember the Silver Shroud show, especially if Father sent a Gen 3 or a couple Gen 1s or 2s to the vault with equipment to scan the preserved brain there and then and disposing of the body after and filling in gaps like culturally relevant media of the time which the Institute could easily find information on.
4. Get your facts right, Synths are not immune to radiation that has been debunked also they can get sick as we know the Institute in their words upgraded the synth blood to 'Improve clotting and prevent infection' its all in the terminal in the Institute, and on first time exploring the Institute their doc is testing a drug on the synths
5.Also what Max Loken says when questioned about what makes synths better, he says 'imgaine if you could spend you entire waking life without needing to eat or sleep this is truly a momentous time' this could imply that they haven't actually achieve that yet, and when put with what Liam Binet's terminal says about them having a taste for fancy lad snack cakes which its odd the institute would waste food on them if it served no purpose and Curie mentions needing to eat and sleep in her Gen 3 synth body so it possible they're not there yet
And I also didnt think the SS was a Synth even with the Far Harbour dialogue with DIMA as i saw as just a fan fiction service by Bethesda, but after learning of the Terminal entry and the fact it was in the game at launch just not linked correctly it makes me think Bethesda did actually have the SS being a Synth on their mind when making the game and left these hints in the game.
@Ryan 1. Father strikes me as someone who tells half truths to convince people to side with him never telling the whole story, and he's taking a gamble on you the SS regardless of if he secretly knows you're synth or not because as he puts it 'with old age comes regrets, I find myself asking what if more often' so it not out of the question he would try to pull off something like this purely from himself
2. Just because Institutes laser weaponry is slightly less powerful than normal laser doesn't reduce their technological advancements in Robotics with gen 1s & 2s, teleportation and more, so hacking Codsworth there is no way they couldn't figure out how to do that
3. Now ill admit its a bit hard to says that they got the sole survivors memories, so if he is a synth copy, its seems that they would of gotten pieces of information from and partial scan of the SS brain, the info Vault-tec collected, Codsworth, Fraternal Post 115, and wherever the information Cap Ironsides somehow has that allows him to correctly identify Nate and Nora knowing both their professions so with all those sources of information and possibly more, Father could cobble together a meaningful recreation of his parent with some additional knowledge added of the culture and media of the time from prior the bombs thus giving him a chance at getting to know them and what they would say or do about his actions and a member of the Institute.
4. I assume you've watched Oxhorn's other vids which prove synth are not immune to radiation and as i've use the Gamma gun to kill a Synth in game in know they are not immune to radiation and i dont think its ever mentioned in game that they are immune to radiation
As a Final note im not saying the Sole Survivor has to be a synth but that its a possibility from a role play perspective that Bethesda hints at and maybe didn't fully think through, need I mention the whole Jet lore mistake they made
I know I'm a few months late to the party but Father does explicitly state that the newer versions of synths were produced by his DNA and some bio engineering, therefore the only conceivable notion for this is the fact that there's no fathomable way that you're a synth considering that would cause another memory of you being unfrozen or in the case that you scream memory alteration, consider this. The institute replaces people in settlements as a means to cover up their tracks. With vault 111 there's no need as explained on Diamond city Radio that it's "weird" to see anyone coming out of the vault, giving off the notion that the vault hasn't been entered or left in some time. you're the only person there. now tell me why oh why would the institute make a synth of your character to replace someone that nobody even knew existed, only to have them go gallivanting through the wasteland, possibly ruining their plans, completely unchecked when they take synth retention as seriously as they do. This would cause more problems for the institute than it would appear that they'd be okay with happening.
He explains in the video. Did you not watch the whole thing?
people say the sole survivor doesn't remember anything about their pre war life when they talk about living pre war all the time? explaining the actual rules of baseball, in nuka world when getting the thirst zapper saying they always wanted one and would've been a great gift for shaun, telling someone (i think it was danse) that they had military experience if you play as male/ the mr. gutsy scanning them showing their military experience for male and their lawyer experience for female, like they talk about prewar a LOT so idk where you are getting them not remembering what life was like prewar it confuses me greatly
edit: a couple more reasons I believe the sole survivor is not a synth
1. the brotherhood would not side with you. after asking them to construct the teleporter they get access to the institutes data files and discover paladin danse is a synth. now someone argued they only found the missing synth files which is a good point but they never said they only found the missing synths data files
2. why would the institute willingly let a synth be their leader (director)? after all the institute sees synths as property and nothing more why let your property control what you do y'know what I mean?
3. the SS is capable of free thought. now this all depends on what you think synths actually are (personally I see them as people); however the institute would not let one of their synths be capable of free thought, their entire goal is to control these "machines"
4. the 1 reason I needed to know the SS was not a synth. why would the institute let a synth destroy their entire operation when they could use it's recall code/ any other method they use to exterminate synths?
and finally the conclusion. what reason does bethesda have for making you a synth in game not putting in undeniable proof of it? if you read all of this even 6 years after this video I thank you and hope you have a wonderful day and if you didn't I say the same thing to you. if you don't agree with me thats fine everyone is subject to their own opinion and mindset but feel free to take in consideration what I have stated and offer your argument against mine in the replies. have a wonderful day fellow fallout connoisseurs and I hope to see someone reply to this text wall
I have a point that proves the sole survivor is a synth. In Vault 111 there is a terminal that describes gen 3 having augmented combat vision (Vats) Wich we are capable of doing BEFORE obtaining the pipboy. That alone, is hard truth we are a synth. Also right outside the vault there is a small railroad shack. Meaning they were monitoring something..... or someone.
There is also a cut content random encounter with an old version of yourself, and it even has Nate voice lines. His Id name is game master.
16:10 missed a golden opportunity to say “but that’s just a theory, a game theory”
Clearly, x-rays still exist. I can't see why organizations wouldn't include a head X-ray for all initiates and again later if behaving oddly or missing for a time. Maybe the gen 3 synths would be undetectable in a general sense, but they know where the head implant is. It is made out of non-organic material. It would show clearly on an X-ray. More advanced imaging such as MRIs would also work, but it might kill the synth. Of course, if you don't care, then use that. If they're not a synth, they are good. If they are, then it might be a bit messy.
Why would an MRI kill a synth? They have organic brains, it just has a little plastic synth component attached to it.
Tensai55 because MRI means magnetic resonance imaging and would probably make synth head explode in reverse headshot style? :D
Catastropheshe the synth head component is made of plastic.
Catastropheshe, you do realize that plastic isn't magnetic, right?
tensai55 synth component is electronic it will be destroyed by the high magnetic field google emp and why do you think you have to put away your phone and all your gadgets before taking an mri at the hospital
Of course the soul survivor is synthetic, at least to some degree, kinda like Kellog with his "upgrades" and lone survivor has upgrades and perks that are beyond human lets face it, :)
Again, I've said this on another comment but... Have you not played any other Fallout game? Again, obviously not every main character in the Fallout franchise could have been a synth... That's just stupid. (also, companions have hidden perks in Fallout 4)
Another thing to note there is more evidence beyond this that you didn't touch. The Sole Survivor is also the only playable character that is capable of using VATS before getting their Pip-boy, and the Pre-War memories seem a little off compared to what we've been told before. Even in Fallout 3, you couldn't use VATS until you got your Pip-Boy, and if you do a little searching around the Institute you will find a terminal detailing capabilities of Gen 3 synths which include a targeting system that functions almost identically to VATS; which would explain why you're able to use VATS against the radroaches before you get the Pip-Boy.
Also it explains why your pre war memories are a little scuffed, the last days before the bombs fell society almost fell apart without the bombs. It seems very disjointed that your memories of the pre war include a broadcast of what's happening but no actual experience and any calls to the established lore are gone. I want to assume this is because the memories were slightly damaged when they killed the Sole Survivor, you can't kill someone without causing some neural damage.
There's just too much evidence to back up this theory and I am firmly in camp Synth Survivor. I guess I do need a tinfoil hat to stop the Institute from beaming in mind control waves into my mind.
If the previous director killed the Lone Survivor, by the time Shaun decide to create a Lone Survivor Synth, where would he obtain the pre-war memories of the Lone Survivor? Those were not false memories as confirmed by recognition of the Vault Tec Rep. Unless Shaun went back to the crygo frozen Lone Survivor, transferred the memories to a synth, then killed his own parent, then released the synth.
So if this theory is true, Shaun must be the one that planned everything, including killing his/her own parent, not the previous director.
Certainly, it would explain why a 200 year old vegetable could tear through everything in the Commonwealth including Coursers. Because the Lone Survivor is, at least up to that point, the most advanced Synth created.
knightsljx and also, that would explain why we have skill points and, (lets get a bit crazy here) the sole "super synth" survivor can release a type of psych power, as we know, there are books on the Commonwealth that buff our companhions, and this psych power can alter their genes a bit, everiytime we read one edition of that book.
I think the prewar memories of when you start the game before the bombs drop, is all fabricated. Its part of your program.
about 99 ninjas Unfortunately this is not right. Remember the Vault-Tec guy from the beggining? You can find him again as a Ghoul in Goodneighbor. If the Memories were fabricated, sure the guy wasn't able to exist.
So the question remains: what about the SS memories? If he/she is a synth, from where those memories where taken?
Gabriel Sparks the institute could have easily known about the vault tec guy still existing and included him in the fabrication to add even more depth to the illusion that Father is creating for you. I think you all were killed when Shaun was taken and they werent needed anymore. Father created you as a test to see what his synth could achieve and if it would come looking for shaun.
Sole Survivor *****
One other point to possibly being a synth. That to my memory they dont explain. You can freely teleport in and out of thr institute without a designated machine after you get the code to do so. Something to our knowledge, only synths can do. Unless they gave you an injection i cant remember that allows you to teleport freely. You have to have something to allow that
This is exactly what i considered at one point... Glad to see that my crazy fanfic is not a sole survivor but has twins around the world...
There have been instances where my character is just like this thing that should effect a human and not a synth imma just ignore it
Ive come up with a theory about a synth soul survivor.
The cpg massacre happened somewhere in the 2230s the synth what killed every rep at the talks. And Conrad Kellog entering vault 111 killing the spouse taking shaun in 2227 so that’s 3 years before the cpg massacre. What if the cpg massacre was a test project of the director of the institute at that time since they finally had uncorrupted human dna and had ample time to test and experiment with a prototype gen 3 synth. After killing every rep
Cpg talks the institute called that synth back and the director back then decided to change and reset the responsible synth responsible for the cpg massacre turning it into Nate or Nora dependent on the gender of the soul survivor gender.
And putting it as a backup in the cryopod and eventually Shaun discovered his “parent” was still frozen and decided to release them into the commonwealth.
The cpg massacre was caused by 1 single synth and the soul survivor is able to massacre entire raider gunner supermutant or other hostile holdouts and learns at a tremendous speed developing into a near invincible being.
So the soul survivor = The cpg massacre synth but having those memories removed and stuffed back into vault 111 as a sort of backup prototype synth.
9:14 "Is all for nothing" he is talking about the institute having him as a "back up"
He can use vats before getting a pipboy. There is a terminal that says the new synths can be modified to see percentages of hitting things. Probably closest thing to proof the sole survivor is a synth
Almost explains the lack of traits, like ‘Small Frame’ giving weaker limbs for agility; we don’t get to decide if SS has weaker limbs or other debuffs not related to surviving or damage (I know survival was mentioned, I feel like this sort of branches off of that). Our flesh can technically be exceptional if you want to consider the ghoulish perk, and even these features can be explained by being part synth since we were supposed to be being sought by the institute for having clean, pre-war DNA. A few of the perks that I remember relate to the pip-boy being the source of the perk improvement, so who really knows. Could have recognized our body as exceptional and offered flesh enhancements.
People keep mentioning other synths saying we’re human, but how could they recognize a new-gen synth that was made to be more human-like?
i have a question,
Kellog refers to the one who send him to the vault 111 and kidnap Shaun as "the old man", so he is not speaking about the old Shaun right, i mean he his just kidnapping Shaun, but later when u see Kellongg memories in the memory den, with that Synth Shaun just before X6-86 came in, he say that was one of the favorites projects of...again "The old men"...so i dont get it, makes me think, is Father really Shaun? Kellogg is refering both like "The old man" but they are 2 diferent persons, one the director of the institute who take Shaun and the other the Director Shaun years later?, both olds, is this another plot hole from Bethesda?
I need the true
Here is another thought about the kid synth shaun - the kid only starts calling you his parent - AFTER father dies - and we also know that it is possible to imptint new memories to a synths brain ( memory den)
example -> curie being transfered in to the brain of a vegitative state synth body
so here is my version of events
father knows that hes dying - learns about eh sole survivor dying inside the pod because of the previous director - so he makes a plan
a plan that regardless of what ever happends he will get what he wants - and what he wants is to make up for lost time with that parent
but they are dead
so steps must be taken to achieve this
1) create a synth version of his parent and wipe theyr recall code
2) place them in the chamber to start the "thawing " sequence while also activating that synth with implanted memories
3)create a synth clone of him self and have kelog live in diamond city uncovered to act as bait
for the sole survivor to find out about the institute
4)while the sole survivor does his or her thing uses his spare time to perfect that one synth child - the ONLY child synth inside the institute
5) when the time finaly comes for him to bite the dust , he uses all that monstrusly powerfull tech of the institute to not just imprint his memories in to the child synth - but his whole being
and so by the end if the sole survivor takes with them the child synth
Father - Shaun managed to practicly revert him self to a child - resurect his dead parent - and got back the one thing that was torn away from him
the chance to be raised and adored as a Human being - by another loving human being ( or in this case something extremely close to it )
Plot Twist : Sole survivor is half a synth like kellog or elder maxson
One thing doesn’t add upp when u destroy the sttgns their skin shatters revealing their insides
While when they get shot they still bleed and can’t walk or see clearly
I think that the entire institute as you know it doesn't exist. I think it's just a test, to see if the few people left can figure out why synths appear, and if they did, see if they could find the underground facility.
I think the sole survivors luck was being the backup for after shawn got old because when he was starting to die he realesed his dad so in theory he didnt want hos dad to lnow hes dying till its to late
I know this is really late but, there is or was a terminal in the Institute saying that they basically developed or made their own V.A.T.S and they wanted to install them in synths, and if ya noticed, the Sole Survivor can use V.A.T.S, even before getting a pip-boy, but that could just be a development mess up, or possible proof that the Sole Survivor is a synth that had that technology installed.
The terminal might have been the one removed a month after the games release though, or that might have been another one, so if you use an older version of the game, you can find it
One major flaw with the theory... A synth memory is a blank slate, their memories would start being formed from the time that they awaken. How did they know all of his past life experiences that they would have had to program into him? For example, the lone wanderer remembers the Grognack comic that he sees that very day before he entered the Vault and the You're Special book. Those are too fine a detail for programmers to even think of.
I think people are reading far more into it than they should be and are outsmarting themselves.
DiMA also makes the point that the only thing you can remember from before the war is the one day that the bombs dropped. From the player's perspective, it is obvious why you only remember one day, but from the sole survivor's perspective, it could be evidence that you are a synth with an incomplete backstory.
Wouldn’t they figure out the SS is a synth when they found Danse to be a synth?
No, the Sole Survivor is most definitely not a synth:
1. The vault-tec rep has become a ghoul and lives in Goodneighbor. When you talk to him, he recognizes you immediately, which is hard evidence that the Sole Survivor's pre-war memories are real.
2. When you enter Covenant, you pass the entry test. The entry test was specifically designed to weed out synths. While the test has problems with false positives - it may make humans give answers that make them appear like synths - the opposite is never mentioned as a problem with the test. You may fail the test as a human - a 'false positive', but you cannot pass the test as a synth. Since the Sole Survivor passes the test, it's pretty clear they are NOT a synth.
No, the G.O.A.T test was specifically made to decide what job you would have in vault 101 in fallout 3.
That's not what I'm talking about, though. There are two options for the SS being a synth: 1: it's a synth created in the Wasteland with fake per-war memories, and 2: was a real person with real memories that got replaced by a synth at some point (possibly while in cryo). You are right that being recognized by Vault Tec Rep doesn't eliminate the second option, but it does eliminate the first one.
Uh, no. The entry test in Covenant is not the G.O.A.T. test, it's a modified test called SAFE that is designed to specifically distinguish between synths and humans. During the Covenant quests, they explicitly state multiple times that a synth cannot pass the test. The only error comes from humans accidentally failing the test and giving a 'false positive', but never that a synth can pass it: and the Sole Survivor always passes.
@@writerguy8194 But it's the exact same questions...
+papaside X There are slight modifications, and iirc these modifications are what makes it impossible for a synth to pass. fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Generalized_Occupational_Aptitude_Test
When I first played the game I figured the fact that the sole survivor has the ability to get perks makes him/her a synth
You aren't
You can destroy the Institute or take it over. Neither would be allowed to happen if you were a Synth
I think what triggered Father to release the Sole Survivor is that he was diagnosed with cancer. That made him think about his life and his relationships and family.
Also actually some players tried console trickery to actually check if the player character drops a synth component on death, and no they don't.
If the SS is a synth and they are a special version of the G3 with VATS capability and implanted memories... this all tracks. As for the lack of a recall code, well, Shaun didn't want one put in because he wanted this synth to be as close to his father/mother as humanly possible and did not want any other Institute scientist to ruin the experiment by using one on it. And, as typical of mad scientists, Shaun felt the institute to be untouchable. Besides, his "father" would never turn on his son, would he? Or the more existential question of whether the SS, being a copy of the man that created Shaun would turn on its own creator, who was Shaun (if he is a synth).
Shaun wanted to run an experiment on his DNA to see what his parent/s were capable of. Since one of them died before their brain could be scanned, he could only rely on the memories of the SS. He took the human SS to the institute, implanted the memories into the prototype G3 VATS unit, and then put the prototype back into Vault 111 and began the experiment.
As to why... well, they're scientists and they have synth experiements all over the wasteland; Sturgis, Marigold, McDonough, Roger Warwick, Captain Avery, Paladin Danse, Gabriel (leader of Libertalia), among others. Roger Warwick specifically is a behavior experiment being ran by the institute. It is not too far of a stretch that Shaun, always wondering what his biological parents were like, would create a synth, put his parent's memories into it along with the need to find their child, and then release it into the wasteland to see what it can do. He was anxious to see if the SS/Synth would be able to do it. If the SS dies in the attempt, then so be it... Shaun never knew his parents anyway. However, if the SS lives, then not only does the institute get all the new precious data and proven prototype G3, Shaun also gets a parent and family he has always wanted but never had.
I actually love this theory and it tracks with the undercurrent theme of synths and body replacers.
The Institute believes that synths are the key to the future of humanity. But why would Father knowingly hand the keys of the entire place to a 'machine'? That's my only real issue with this theory, but there is a way around it. Assuming your theory is correct, maybe Father named SS the Director (synth or no) because by this point, you had proven you really *were* the future of humanity in the eyes of Father. In order to gain his trust, you need to do things no one else can possibly do. Maybe, by gaining his trust at this point, he concludes that the SS synth experiment was a great success, and is the best course of action for the future of the Institute. Also, for this to work in general, no one else in the Institute can know that SS is a synth--most would never tolerate one being Director--and it can't be in the records for the BoS to find, either. Given how much power Father has in the Institute, it's very likely he could pull that off, though.
Also, I see a lot of people questioning the memories thing, but I don't think Vault Tec Guy has anything to do with it. Given what we see, I believe memories are recorded by DNA in Fallout, much like in Assassin's Creed. And if that's the case, they'd just need the DNA of the dead SS. Given they can create near-human toasters and power entire cities by fusion, not to mention walk through some dead merc's memories, memory by DNA doesn't seem that far a stretch in Fallout science.
I'm entirely sure about the lore fallout 4, but this makes sense and if I had to say it would seem that father never really did think you as the (Syth) SS would survive. And from what I've seen from other of oxhorn's videos it seems like the institute can't manually shut down syths, only when they are face to face with syths. What done is done, of course he could send a courser after you, but you yourself as a syth would have enhanced combat skills. Basically what I'm saying is that father didn't predict you would make it this far, maybe when you manage to make it to the institute he for the first time didn't you as a machine or but a human idk something like that I guess xD
Survivor: "Oh no I'm not a synth"
**Poops out a whole settlement in an hour labours of Hercules style**
SS: Really I’m not a synth!
* Proceeds to be able to store a seemingly endless amount of info in their head that would send any normal man into a coma * (no level cap)
@@keithkania3810Without a doubt:
>Data banks for weapon & armor mods in the head of a pre-war ATTORNEY the moment you leave the vault.
>You need to calibrate your weapon so you use them more effectively.
>Underwater breathing.
>Solar regeneration.
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All-in-all, I think THIS was father's experiment.
Turn you into a synth with all these starting benefits and see how this would end up.
This 'evolution' of humanity.
It would explain the more seemingly supernatural perks you can get in the game. Such as solar powered goulish and ricochet, for example.
@@muffinman2546 exactly
Did someone call my name?
I have watched this video in it's entirety yesterday and after giving much thought to as if the Sole Survivor in Fallout 4 is a Synth or not and I have to say he or she isn't. The reason why I say this is because if you pay close attention to when you follow Paladin Danse into Arcjet to recover the deep range transmitter, the Synths when they "detect" you they don't identify you as a synth, but they do Paladin Danse. Because they say and I quote " Human and hostile Synth detected".
Now I need to replay thst quest to make sure 😂
There is evidence to suggest the player may be human in mind and spirit but not body. His body may have died from trauma of being thawed out. Eveyone else died from being thawed. Its possible your consciousness was saved. A transhuman. The first gen 4.
@@TheInTemperance one thing makes your entire well laid theory fall to pieces. The Vault Tec Rep. The Institute would have never known about him. And he recognizes you when you run into him inside the Hotel Rexford. They couldn't have programmed that.
@@TheInTemperance The V.A.T.S system is explained to be part of the pip-boy in previous games.
he or she is not because we take RADS
Damn , imagine if the twist was that your original self was the director instead of Shaun and you were a synth hunting yourself down
Dam
Ok but what if you make the SS black?
Resident Evil: The Final Chapter
@@8wholebagsofcorn911 What about it? Shaun is black is the SS's parents are. :/
@@8wholebagsofcorn911 Better question is what if you’re Nora.
At around 9:00 when father says "all of this was for nothing" I think he means making synth Shaun and giving you a trail to follow. That seems like effort that would be wasted if you died.
tl'dr - Agreed.
If you side with the Institute once it becomes clear you are in fact with them all the way and not hiding your allegiances with anyone else Father/Shauns demeanor becomes far less clinical. He admits that in the face of death his usually pragmatic and almost robotic view of the world has been shaken and in the end comments that if you admit that you still love him that it's miraculous and is a vector he is unable to quantify. That is until the end, where he straight up tells you he loves you in return and knows you will commit yourself to creating a better tomorrow. I think we've got a man who's recognized his own mortality after a life of never even considering it and who is starting to feel emotions he never had before and thus releases the SS, he doesn't know if they'll survive but other dialogue trees show that he is incredibly grateful they do as he comes to understand a love he admits he never had.
As for the "all of this was for nothing" I think you're bang on the money. If you explore the terminals throughout the Institute you can learn long before anyone says anything that he's dying and that he has put great effort into the child synth program "while there's still time". It's blatantly clear that his views on Synths are changing, or at the very least he wants the SS to have the chance to raise a child that was stolen from them.
People like to say the Institute is the worst group to side with, personally I disagree but that's a argument for another time. What is clear is that in the face of death Shauns view of the world is changing radically, which as someone whose mother was a hospice nurse I can tell you is a very common thing to happen to terminal patients. They often want to right wrongs, apologize for mistakes, set things in order and many of them regardless of religious history start considering the matter more seriously. I think regardless of the Institutes motives Shaun was very much experiencing these things.
At any rate even if all of what I just wrote is bs there's still the fact that at the end he likely would have deactivated you along with himself before dying if you were a synth, not, you know, make you the DIRECTOR OF THE INSTITUTE.
Not to mention the other directors were likely opposed to the idea of leaving themselves vulnerable and open to potential exposure.
There may not have been much material investment, but the idea of even exploring any of his emotions as well as holding off the other directors from just executing you on the spot.
The question of "How far will my parent go for me?" is a powerful one, even more so to someone who doesn't even have a baseline understanding of what that really means.
@@Goldenkitten1 i like your idea, and agree on a lot, it sounds so awesome would love to read or hear more from you. Its so awesome that you put so much time and effort in to wrighting all this👌🏼
@@mikethegamer_als It's been a while since I played so I may not remember everything clearly but what did you want to talk about?
Oh this will be a fun experiment: casually let's parent into wastland
Go on little one, shoo shoo
That's when I was done with my institute run , I was pissed lmao
8:47 Ohh what’s this vault 111 Cryogenic shut off FOR SCIENCE!!!!!!
Decorated war hero that lost wife and child you mean?
Parent: *Becomes death destroyer of worlds*
I always imagine the reaction when a Raider finally manages to kill me, checks my corpse and finds a hundred synth components.
You're a super synth!
The institute got bored and created me (look at my name)
Sinth Toaster
Lol
"Experimental subject"
"I just learned a terrible truth. I think the sole survivor is a synth lord."
"A synth... Lord?"
When I read the title I thought: is Sole Survivor a simp?
The true meaning
The sole simp
im a simp for piper
Yes
He’s a happily and respectfully married man, so in other words a good for nothing simp
If the Sole Survivor were a Synth then why wouldn't father have just used their reset code instead of Banishing them from the institute if you side with the brotherhood.
What If Shaun didn't make a recall code for the Sole Survivor?
@@april8604 that's like saying I'm going to make a car without brakes.
@@pandapanda4124 there are cars without breaks. Also why would he give his synth a recall code? So the Institute could wipe out his "Father" and have a war against themselves? Watch TheShoddyCast take on it
@@april8604 there are ways to stop a car without brakes. But to build a car without brakes is illegal and dumb.
As an engineer, you would have to have a safety. Saves you from lawsuits ect. But back to the point, he should have a safe way of controlling all of his synths. Thus making the main character not a synth.
@@pandapanda4124 why would Shawn want to deactivate his synth? He made it to lead the Institute to greatness why let some idiot stumble Apon a code and deactivate the leader of the Institute? Shawn was passing anyways so it makes to leave the institute in the hands of his personal creation solely created to make the wasteland better and
Plot twist: the sole survivor is a super mutant
Plot twist: the sole survivor is the master
:0
Plot twist: the war never happened and it’s all just a dream
Plot twist: your mum's a super mutant
New California mod be like
Dima is playing mind games....again.
Articus Ramos *hank hill voice* Damnit Dima!
FUmarc l
Yeah I love those games
ibrahim kuyumcu the diamond city guards arnt synths I killed everyone in diamond city
ibrahim kuyumcu aye, Nick and Codsworth are the characters with the most humanity.
So, if you go with the brotherhood, they find out that danse is a synth because his DNA matched a synth in the institute records obtained with the network scan holotape, if the sole survivor were a synth, wouldn't it stand to reason that the brotherhood would have found out? Also if the sole survivor were a synth, wouldn't the institute use the sole survivors recall code instead of banishing them from the institute?
If the sole survivor was a synth , the Brotherhood would have killed them
It’s possible he was a secret program
@The_Commonwealth_Prepper well the sole survivor also takes radiation damage, gen 3 synths don't
SS just like most people are saying is most likely a gen 4 synth. Unlike other synths and coursers, SS is probably more advanced and more human than gen 3 synths, that's why the brotherhood isn't able to detect if the SS is a synth.
@@JonathanH1253Yet he can breathe underwater Something humans can't do
I hate that when DIMA asks you to give your earliest memory the only options are to not answer or answer with being with family before the bombs drop or waking up from the cryo pod when from other parts of the game we know he has other memories: "Eddie Winter was from my time, a real scumbag.", "I once pledged to serve my country, I don't see this as any different", and when you tell Kent Connoly you listened to the Silver Shroud pre-war, none of which are mentioned the day the bombs dropped so clearly he/she knew these from earlier memories.
that's all pointless tho, simply because you are going to pull a memory that is the largest memory, i mean simply put while he knows of grognak and such. that's not a significant memory. it is simply a memory. his son and wife is a huge memory.
The Main character could have had knowledge of watching silver shroud, grognak, etc but they weren’t actually there. It was just knowledge they had
Also the opening cinematic of nate as a child, being told a story by his mom, that was a memory Nate was having so he knew his childhood
Also he says (albeit sarcastically) his father used to say he would always sit too close to the television when he is being medically examined by the BoS, so he obviously remembers his childhood.
Your right. The Sole Survivor is the Real Deal.
2:04 "Why is everyone else dead, but the Sole Survivor is the only one left alive?"
Because if other people were still alive, he/she wouldn't be the Sole Survivor.
TheLongDark answer correct
THiS is BiG bRAiN TImE
"One of the survivors"
tbh....It would have been way better if the playable character was just a random joe who gets involved with the institute in another way than forcing us to play as the parent of a kid.
wtf happened with role-play. F4 basically made us play as a fixed character.
Hahaha that's like being part of the Lone Wanderer's!
This fits well with the previous protagonists
FO1 Vault Dweller: Because if everyone in the game were Vault Dwellers, he wouldn't be specifically THE Vault Dweller
FO2 Chosen One: Because if other people were the chosen ONES, he wouldn't be the CHOSEN ONE (duh)
FO3 Lone Wanderer: Because if he wasn't an antisocial little shit, he wouldn't end up wandering alone
FNV Courier Six: well... he was the 6th mailboi, that speaks for itself I guess
S9-23Recall code beta nine five tempest ...... THE game ends
ahmd Gamer dang
ahmd Gamer i would have enjoyed the game way more and it’s my favourite game
Paladin Danse is a synth and doesn’t shut down when you say it if he’s your companion atm. I think the codes are for different lines of synths rather than universal. There are more than one recall code in fallout.
I would wager a true substituted synthetic would have either a far more complex recall code, or none at all.
Not possible, BoS would have picked it up on their network scan like with paladin danse
Robbie Coombes They could have deleted the data of the sole survivor
@@SPrime345 But before that the sole survivor was just a knight, and danse was a paladin.
Why would they delete a new knight instead of a trusted paladin?
@@maddiemadeline not the BoS deleted. the institute have deleted.
@@MokokoMokoko So then the institute knew that the sole survivor is coming after them? So why would the institute let the sole survivor stay if they knew he/she was against them
@@maddiemadeline the Institute has no idea. It's Father's secret project. The only way Father's project would work is if it's kept secret from everyone, including the sole survivor. The secret dies with Father.
I don't necessarily think the sole survivor is a synth, what I do think though is Father did more than push a button to let you out. Here is my hypothesis. Codsworth has been hanging around for 200 years and is pretty much the first individual you meet after leaving the vault. Instead of teaming up with you (and yes i know this is in game mechanics to get you used to stuff) he has you walk off on your own, after bemoaning being alone for 210 years to the Red Rocket truck stop where you meet Dogmeat who happens to just be there waiting for you. Mama Murphy knows of him but denies he is her dog and later on its alluded that Nick Valentine also knows Dogmeat prior to your meeting. You are given a set of bread crumbs to follow, all the while being observed by Synth Crows etc. You get another test when meeting Trashcan Carla. We know she is an informant for the institute and is another one you "happen" to meet just outside concord. Another set up at the Drumlin Diner is a short distance from here giving you another test of morals and so on with the Chem dealer Wolfgang, her son and Trudy. It can end in violence or negotiated. All this is again watched and observed by Synth crows surrounding the Diner. This and many other situations on the path to the institute is to observe to see what sort of moral person you are, your drives and if you have the will and means to survive. This is the actual experiment and work that Father is alluding to, a series of tests not on a Synth but his own parent in a way to see what may have been. But hey, that's just a theory, a game theory! And cut..
@@TheInTemperance but synths are programmed to obey the institute, why would it benefit them to test him, unless they are trying to find the fault as to why so many previous gen synths are sort of defective.
@@TheInTemperance Dude you are delving way too deep into this.
@@TheInTemperance Dude I'm sorry but Fallout 4 is not as deep or complex as you think it is. I honestly don't care if the main character is a synth or not, I've heard the theories and shit before but it just doesn't add up for me. We all have ego problems but I can assure you I don't have one when it comes to a video game like this.
@@TheInTemperance Lol if you keep going any longer you'll have written me a book. Can't wait for the crazy theories you'll come up with after 3,000 (!) hours of playing the Withcer.
@@TheInTemperance Lol
Before I watch this video, I’m gonna have to go with a Hard No.
There’s no way a Synth would ever be allowed to become the leader of the institute.
Not to mention there would be some record of it in the Institute’s archives.
The brotherhood of steel would have found out and tried to kill the sole survivor like they did with Paladin Danae.
My boi Paladin Danae
Yep
Unless the Sole Survivor was a personal project of Father and he managed to keep it a secret.
no you got it wrong Shawn was taken while he was a baby Kellog said we have a backup so the sole survivor is human but he grow up without having time with her/his kid so father made a child Shawn for the sole survivor so she/he has a child to take care of the main reason for father do do it because he felt bad for the sole survivor growing up without his parents so the idea of having a synth Shawn is for the player not for any other reason
@@sabrina2368 oh but Father did say he didn't now if you survive
Railroad: Free the synths!
Brotherhood: Kill the synths!
Institute: Enslave the synths!
Preston Garvey: Another settle-
Literally everyone: SHUT UP PRESTON
Preston: but i got ending too
Me: ok So what IT is?
Preston: an anoth-
Me: OH F**K OFF
XD its soo true Preston is so annoying
i hate to say it... BUT THIS... IS TRUE
Brotherhood: Destroy
Institute: Control
Railroad: Synthesis?
Minutemen: Refusal
Brotherhood: Kill all Synths!!!
Railroad: Free all synths!!!
Institute: Enslave all synths!!!
Minutemen: PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE!!!
I feel that when Father Shaun says "it was an experiment of sorts", he is trying to rationalize his actions to his self as a scientist and Director. His choice to unfreeze the Sole Survivor was one borne of emotions, and facing a dwindling lifespan, choices left that had an itch to scratch before it's over. It's unclear at what stage in life Shaun became the director of the institute, and what a revelation like learning you have a surviving parent preserved in a vault, as well as the knowledge that a man who works under you killed your other parent. Likely he could have spent years contemplating all this information, all while under the weight of leading the institute, and learning of his cancer pushed him toward considering unlocking that door, and possibly even creating some measures to guide it in a desired outcome, such as how he planted kellogg with the synth Shaun.
If anything, synth Shaun was some kind of coping mechanism with what he learned, and how to move forward with it, in his own way. A child of himself, when he was innocent, and planning to present that child, to his own parent. Would his parent love his child self? There alot to read into though, especially since we instead think about emotional motivation, instead of logical motivation. People think that Father Shauns actions occur quickly in relation to each other, but some of these things could have been reactions occurring over years, with deep thought involved.
I don't usually write comments, but the way Shaun is perceived as a cold scientist in this, rather than someone who lived a life in the institute, became who he was, and then learned these deep truths about his origin, these possibilities with their parent, and wanting to know more, not as a scientist, but as a child.
Honestly the game takes so long I have no sympathy for Shaun because I have found new family, new work and have formed better relationships.
To be fair..... Shaun may be your son... But when you meet him, his a stranger... Brought up and raised by the institute in their image.... Father is a dictator... He doesn't care for the opinion on his staff... And shows the soul survivor a distant attitude.... In my playthrough I couldn't side with the Institute... I either went for the Minutemen or BOS.
@@sebastianbreytenbach4689 the bos are practically Nazis, constantly preaching about themselves as being the master race and were purging all others.
@@v0rt3x41 I completely agree, the institute although is more evil for kidnapping and murdering innocent people, as well as Shaun saying he released u from vault 111 as an "experiment of sorts", BOS is also an evil ending but is useful and profitable during end game(Yes they pretty much are Nazis)
@@sebastianbreytenbach4689 I completed all of them and they all have pros and cons, but my main storyline (and the one I used just yesterday - after 4 years untouched) is the institute.
My reasoning, is a rational one. My character (and well myself in general) is intelligent, logical and rational. She has been through literally hell after bombs fell and has seen humanity basically become animals. (raiders, super mutants, robots, humans) The institute, and becoming leader of such, is the only way to create some sort of humanity again. Basically it is by becoming the leader, you can control what the institute does. By destroying it, you are only leading to another like it to pop up again but even worse. Bit like Hydra in the marvel show.
What if Father isn't Shaun? Is there any evidence proving he is? perhaps the game's timeline is within only a decade of SHaun being taken and he was simply killed, like SS after the Gen 3's came about.
That's a very dangerous concept you are hastily throwing around... take care, for many minds have been blown already with your above comment.
Or maybe the "old man" kellog refers to is father and Shaun is the little boy that you must take care of after you side with the institute and everyone was somehow convinced to say father is your son
@oxhorn
I've always found it odd that almost everyone instantly accepts that Father is Shaun just on his word. Now please keep in mind that I haven't actually played FO4, as I don't have any hardware even remotely capable of running it, and as such haven't been able to directly examine the evidence. I have watched several Lets plays of the game and haven't seen or heard anything in the game dialog or terminal files which prove conclusively that Father is Shaun, but have found many things which lead me to doubt Father's word on the matter.
Which leads to the question, what happened to the real Shaun. While it is possible, even likely that he was simply disposed of after the synth project proved to be a success, there is another still darker possibility. The Gen-3 Project wasn't the only project which was looking for uncorrupted human DNA. In Virgil's lab there is a document on one of the terminals IIRC where one of the scientists involved in FEV research was lamenting that they couldn't get ahold of clean DNA for the project. Well the Institute did in fact have some uncorrupted DNA available to them. Shaun.
So what if after the success of the Gen-3 Project, young Shaun was handed over to the FEV research team. There is evidence that children were used as test subjects, toys and such in the cells and what could have been a pet cat. Fallout canon going all the way back to FO1 has shown that pure strain human DNA yields better results with FEV than your typical wastelander trash. There are two Supermutants which come to mind as being smarter than average in the game. There is the one in far harbor who sells dogs, it's name escapes me unfortunately, and there is Strong. So it is possible that the Sole-Survivor did in fact find his son, but never realized it. Could Shaun be Strong?
I doubt that, the boy at the end is quite obviously a synth. We tragically can't check without being able to murder kids (thanks Bethesda)
I think it's safe to assume Oxhorn's profiling of Father as a character. Perhaps he feels close to you, despite not being your actual son as guilt for killing your Shaun, he wants to repent for the thing's he's done. It's also possible he has an obsession with the Soul Survivor and takes Shaun's place to satisfy his own lack of a father. My theory fits quite well aside from a few things
1. The department heads. After the death of father they don''t have much of a reason not to tell you the truth. one explanation is that they don''t know, Father may have done work on little shaun in secret.
2. Kellog's house in Diamond city. I remember one character offhandedly remarking that he house had been abandoned for quite some time. This can be explained with the institute's teleporter, If nobody sees Kellog leaving and coming home they think he must have left, right?
3. Gen 3 Synths. I don't personally know who developed them, if a scientist who did work is still alive his relative age would be telling of when it happened. He would need to be older than father (quite old, actually) in order to show that it is possible that Father is Shaun.
What needs to be found to disprove my idea is some definitive evidence that Kellog's memories are from the past
Father nor any other head scientist would let the sole survivor destroy the institute they would just use the code and put you to sleep
are you sure? Father will claim synths are just machines but then hands over a child and asks you to be a family. a straight up contradiction, the man is very calculating and puts up a front imo.
Bobby Bologna He still had no problem using the recall code on child Shaun when you first meet him.
Bobby Bologna It's just the poor writing of Bethesda and their lack of consequence. The whole video is full of overinterpretation
of course, smart of you to consider that.
quintis rayne I agree
I like how the Alternate Start mod "Another Life" on the nexus site suggests that the Pre-War start of the game is an Institute simulation. If you skip it you wake up naked in one of the Synth creation vats. :D
Well it was a perfect way of making the mod immersive instead of a series of choices.
LupusPurpura I don’t consider that part to be apart of the story when I play. I still think my character is human, not a synth. I just think of it as a customization menu
you know, now that you bring it.... up the "start" of our first bethesda fallout game (FO3) had us literally starting out as an infant. We "lived" out every moment of that character's life from start to finish (however that goes, choices depending) it's an interesting note because, strangely, that does not make that character the odd one out; that title belongs to the protagonist of New Vegas whom we meet in their, I think, early to mid twenties.
In FO4 we also see an element of our protagonist's backstory but it's only a fragment, reduced to one day. Arguably it is the most important day of our character's life but that doesn't exactly lower suspicions here. Could this not be the memory programmed to propel the Sole Survivor into the Commonwealth with a very strong sense of purpose and will to live? The bits and pieces of the Sole Survivor's life alluded to in dialogue, the sparse memories of halloween are vague at best; of course life was happier back then, the world wasn't a spinning ball of radioactive rubble. Father even went so far as to include details about halloween preparations (advertisements for such things are scattered throughout the fallout universe), the world did end on october 23rd after all.
Only Mxr Mods has the ability to nominate something *IMMERSIVE*
I have the mod and you get the pip-boy for free and I think I am a old synth model made more like a real person.
Here is the simple answer. When you are in Kellogs memories he stats that the sole survivor is still alive. In the game it states that Kellog is the one sent to do any of the "dirty" work in the Commonwealth. So if the sole survivor was replaced you would think Kellog would have not said "it's funny the old man left alive the one person he shouldn't have".
Even just the brief interaction with Kellogg. If you were a synth experiment, and he knew, he would taunt or allude to it, that's his kind of personality. It would be hard for him to not know of it, as he's #1 for the above ground dealings, and likely keeps his cyber ear on everything happening going in and out. As far as Kellogg's memory goes, you're left alive in the cryo pod, and are human. Of course, argument could be made about the Sole Survivor being destroyed later secretly, but as others have pointed out, if SS was killed before a synth one was made, then a dead brain could not have been copied. The only other thread to copying SS would be after teleporting had been implemented, going in, grabbing the still alive sole survivor, taking them back to institute for a brain copy, a la Nick Valentine style, and then disposing of the original, which seems like a dumb idea, unless if the original proved unsatisfactory, but an operation like this being secret would be difficult, as even the Director of the Institue is still challenged and debated against in their own Directorate meetings, and it's not as if the Institute is a sprawling maze facility where things can be out of sight and secret, unless if there is a ton we just don't get to see, because of limitations of design.
@@JG-gv1zx You have no idea if a dead brain could or could not have been copied by the institute without knowing the state of the SS and the technology available to the institute. We know there are different technologies to access peoples minds and we know that even when turned off the cryopods preserve the bodies of people very well. Just because the body is dead and the brain is dead does not mean that the brain has necessarily decayed away. Technology to stimulate areas of the brain tissue that are not completely destroyed or maybe even some that is and access that information isn't so far fetched because, you know, *cough*Kellogg*cough* we do that with him.
You need to replay this video again let alone the game. Dude, even Oxhorn mentions how it is the director's way or the highway and a penalty could even be death. Yeah you might be able to speak your opinion against something but no one is challenging Father, we clearly see this. No idea where you got this notion like the Directorate meetings were some kind of board meeting with votes. You are basically looking at a king and everyone else are merely advisors. And despite father keeping secrets successfully already and a boy helping synths escape the institute for god knows how long you got the impression that people couldn't hide things in the institute? Certainly wasn't the case in the game I played.
Where's the thing now none of the memories were copied, do you know I asked you what your earliest memory is. It's not the war not getting married, it's not even the birth of Shaun. The earliest memory is the bombs dropping. We always assumed that's the lone survivors earliest memory.
But what is that Sean only memory of his parents. The reason you started the game at that point , is because that's all your son knew about.
It makes sense oh, they didn't download the brain of the Lone Survivor. It's white even though it's been only days after your wife died, you can hook it up with Piper or Curie or anybody else you don't have any real emotional ties to your life.
It's also why you don't have any strong military loyalty. If the sole survivor really was a military Soldier oh, why didn't he try to get contact with the American government. It should have been more of his quest to revive The Enclave if he really was pre-war. But it's not, because you aren't prewar.
Also the Vault Tec rep remembers the Sole Surviver
@@WhysoSeriousSamual You start in pre war, for plot, that is how you build tension in a story. What has your protaganist lost recently? What crisis (if any) is going on?
F4 answers these with, you lost everything due to a massive nuclear fallout.
There is no deep meaning to it, other than a mechanic (or device) for you, as a player, to feel tension.
DiMA: Are you, a synth?
*Sole Survivor can use the pommel horse while wearing a full set of heavy combat armor*
Sole Survivor: Nah, I’m pretty sure I’m human.
Horses!!!!! Where the fuck.....
@@blackicegaming5464 facepalm. Google "pommel horse". And all sttlers can do that....
seems like every wastelander benches well over 200 lbs for reps lol
Not to mention you can carry 300 pounds of gold bars without getting tired
Rango pistacho I forget, are gold bars worth a lot of caps in Fallout 4?
soo...... when you destroy the institute why does no one ever say your recall code to stop you? ( like when you talk to father on his death bed, or fight a courser, for example.)
Wr0ng W4y If they failed, and you killed them, you would find out, and think about hiw bad that would be for them, it's to riskey.
You were in the process of destroying them already. They had nothing to lose.
+Ben Bosley My thoughts exactly. They did it with that Raider Synth because he was a menace so why wouldn't they do it to you if you became a menace?
Wr0ng W4y It's highly possible that the only people privy to this knowledge were the director, and his replacement. Maybe not even Father/Shaun knew.
Ooh, good one Turnip. Maybe the previous director turned the SS into a synth and didn't tell Shaun.
I feel like Bethesda purposefully set this up so that if you wanted to roleplay as a synth, you could.
Thats very plausible. One of the best theory I've heard thus far, and would make sense, seeing as most of the role playing elements were taken out of Fallout 4.
Hmm…that for one, interesting.
Yeah, that will make sense.
It could also be that in the first draft of the story you would have been a synth but, at time gone on, they change the story to the final ne were you aren't a synth, but some aspects of that story were keept.
This is a game where you have to do your own roleplaying. It means you can't rely on the developer telling you what you must do, you have to do it yourself. It's like D&D, where you get to control your own character rather than having the DM pull your marionette strings.
That is what I thought when DiMA said it.
I always thought Father saying "was all of this for nothing" meant "was the effort and emotional conflict of getting someone into the vault to release my parent worth it". There's no evidence that the Institute could remotely control the vault, so I always thought they sent in someone (maybe a Courser) to let you out, then said person relayed out before you saw them. Plus, synths identify you as human.
There is evidence that they could remotely access vault 111. The vault is designed to be remotely monitored and controlled by vault tec.
@@darrekworkman5595 There's evidence that Vault Tec can. There's no evidence that the Institute can.
The "was this all for nothing" refers to basically have kellogg lure you to him with synth shaun
Multiple problems:
1. Danse has memories of being a child despite being a synth. Memory is irrelevant.
2. Why would the Insitute make a Synth able to rebel, lead, and even destroy them? Why not have recall codes just to be safe?
3. When you raid the Insitute as BoS, you do not find information retaining to you, or that you're a synth. Only paladin Danse.
4. Far Harbour dude lies non stop, convising the captain that she's real, despite being a synth, etc.
Nick is proof that your theory is wrong, because he has the memories of someone who he was not. Also if you kill danse is a synth and he remembers being a kid so yeah. They can plant memories. Same with synth shaun
in other words Trenton, Nick and Little Shaun have replicated memories, just like Danse (as in this corroborates Zephyr Sean's first point)
1. Memory is relevant as a typical human should have memories of their life before the bombs dropped, however a synth SS would only have the memories that are deemed necessary to give it purpose (to begin searching for their child) once it's released from the cryo chamber.
2&3. Father tells you how this was "his experiment" to see what would happen, giving you free will and the ability to choose what is right or wrong, to see what you would do, was an important part of this (Nick Valentine also has the ability to rebel etc)
4. Haven't played Far Harbour yet so I don't know what you're referring to
Why would they make a Synth able to rebel, lead, and even destroy them? Arrogance. Simply arrogance and "Father" certainly has more than enough to risk it.
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Personally I think Bethesda intentionally left it vague so that players can decide for themselves with each character. I'm really annoyed that when DiMA asks you about your earliest memories, it doesn't give you the option to talk about childhood memories, though, because for most of my characters I already have a backstory clear and they are supposed to remember their childhood, so that's just more of Fallout 4 forcing a very specific backstory on the player and not letting them choose for themselves.
As far as I'm concerned, wether your character is a synth or not is entirely up to you. I have some characters where I've decided that they're human, and one character where I've decided that she's a synth. It's kind of like asking "Is the Dragonborn from Skyrim canonically male or female?", because it's an open world Bethesda game, there is no real answer. Anything concerning the actual main character and their personal backstory should be entirely up to the player and not decided by any canon.
You have a good point.. There's nothing wrong with having some form of cannon, though. I know they're completely different platforms, but I was watching someone play Ocarina of Time once, and I thought it was cool that you could name your character whatever you wanted, even though everyone knows his actual name is Link...
Yeah for once they let us roleplay a little
you earn a sweetroll XD
Here's the thing, not having a choice to speak about childhood memories doesn't automatically mean they don't exist. That isn't a strong case for Fallout 4 forcing a character. If anything, they just may not have considered that option.
Niobesnuppa or Bethesda forgot and left a major lore break
I feel like it’s set up this way so that people can make headcanons where their character is a synth.
Some evidence for the Sole Survivor being a synth.
-There's a terminal (inaccessible without console commands, so maybe not lore) that talks about some Gen 3 synths having a built-in VATS system: Slow time, perceive weapon accuracy. This is interesting because VATS works differently from previous games.
-Regardless of the terminal, the SS can access VATS prior to picking up a Pip Boy. The PB is supposed to be how you access VATS.
-The SS tells DIMA that he/she can only remember as far back as the start of the war (start of the game).
-Nate is a vet, so it makes sense that he could handle himself in combat. Nora is an attorney, but is as competent in combat as Nate. Law school doesn't really set you up for gunplay.
-Coursers are supposedly able to take down pretty much anyone without problem due to enhanced combat abilities. The SS (and, apparently, only the SS) can take down Coursers. The Institute scientists are surprised that the SS killed a Courser.
There are sound arguments against the theory, but it is a valid way to interpret the game.
Foxbunny Vulapine well I think that using vats before is error. And why will institute use vats which is vaultech technology? And of Nora killing courser, that happens in all fallout games,we magically get combat skills. In fallout 3 we are 19 year boy who kills supermutants and deathclaws for breakfast.
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We should be careful to not conflate game mechanics with story. You take a shot to the head and require surgery at the beginning of NV (story), but can be shot repeatedly in the head thereafter and can sleep it off (game mechanics).
As to the VATS issue--absolutely. We don't know if the VATS decision is an oversight or a clue. Changing when the SS finds the PipBoy would resolve the problem immediately. Issue a PipBoy with the vault suit: Problem solved. When you receive the PipBoy is part of the story, as is when the VATS mechanic is activated (you cannot use VATS before being unfrozen). As far as why the Institute would use VATS--why reinvent the wheel? They developed the synths from existing technology (robots), after all.
The difference I see with Coursers is that supermutants and deathclaws are regularly killed by BoS, Raiders, and even average wastelanders. Coursers, on the other hand, are are nigh invincible--there is no record of a Courser being taken down by anyone. While the average wastelander or former vault resident is shown to be capable of developing the skills to defend themselves from supermutants and deathclaws, nobody can take down a Courser. Remember how shocked Ayo is that a Courser has been killed.
I still find the fact that the SS talks to DIMA about not having memory from before the war significant. One of the strongest themes in the game has to do with questioning what is real and what it is to be human. The question of whether or not the SS is a synth is not as important as the fact that either answer to the question is consistent with the theme of the game. Consider the convergence of Curie's and Nick's stories. Think of what Deacon says about reality versus appearance. Consider the fact that after breaking in, reclaiming (or killing) one synth, and helping with one more reclamation mission (through with you can thoroughly betray the institute), you are appointed (not offered the position of) Director of the Institute.Of course, it's really a matter of interpretation.
well you say Courser is invincible, but he/she are not. i had more hard time killing that mirelurk queen at castle than the course, he was medium difficult. The thing is that people have psychological fear, same we they have with anything related to institute. The fact is most of the people who can defeat courser like bos etc have never confronted. and most importantly, if we are synth, and still under institute control, why dont they shut us down when we blow it up? and also why would they make a synth director if we side institute, also there is no record of us being synth in the institute while there is record all others. and SS has lots of memory before war, Silver Shroud, baseball, life before war, etc.
Note: "Nigh invincible" does not mean "invincible." "Nigh invincible" means "nearly invincible." And I'm not saying that the Sole Survivor being a synth is correct; I'm saying that the player character being a synth is thematically consistent with the game and has evidential support.
To the other points:
The purpose of the Synth program was to advance humanity. This is a recurring theme in the Fallout games. It's just as was attempted with the FEV. If you are a Synth, you would be the perfect director--immortal and unchanging; following Father's will after he is gone; continuing the work of the Institute forever. Appointing a synth who was designed to become the next director to that position makes much more sense appointing a human met mere days before.
The Institute has secrets. Only Father knows why the FEV program has continued beyond its apparent usefulness, for example. It's not unreasonable, then, that there could be a secret synth program to create a new Director. If this is the case, your recall code may be unknown or may not exist at all. Consider that Chase in Acadia is a rogue Courser. Why not just shut her down or relay her back to the institute and do a mind wipe? Why does nobody mention rogue Coursers? The Institute is compartmentalized and there is a degree of control over what information leaves a department or transitions between people.
As far as the SS's memory, consider Sturgess. He tells about things his father said growing up. But he didn't grow up--he's a synth. It could be that the memories of a real person named Sturgess were copied and implanted (as we see with Nick). Maybe the same happened to the Sole Survivor. Memory is another big theme in this game. What is a real memory? The fact that Nick has pre-war memories does not mean he is not a Synth, but he does comment on the quality of the memories being different from those after he awoke outside the institute. And what about Danse?
Honestly, if it were possible to find information about every in-game synth while you are inside the Institute, I would be happy to admit that the SS synth theory is implausible. Of course, it is not possible to find this. In addition to the compartmentalization of the Institute, information control is an integral part of storytelling. Sometimes things are implied. Other times they are left up to interpretation.
Fallout 4 is so much more interesting as a story because of the possibilities left open by the narrative. Your character might be a synth. This is completely possible. Evidence exists for this possibility, but there is also evidence against it. Exploring how these different interpretations change the story is beautiful.
The character isn’t a synth and there are loads of reasons.
First being the BoS questline, when Quinlin finds out that Danse is a Synth, if the sole Survivor is a synth it would also be somewhere in their data and would have suffered the same fate as Danse.
Secondly, the Safe test in Covenant, if you pass your human, and if you fail your a synth, the sole Survivor passed meaning he’s human.
Also Father says synths are tools, so if the character is a synth why would he make the sole Survivor the leader? Makes no sense
That alone is enough to convince me that the sole Survivor isn’t a synth
“Hello there ladies and gentlemen, this is Oxhorn and I have a question for you. Is the Sole Survivor... not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
‘No!’ says the woman from the Railroad, ‘It could help synths.’
‘No!’ says the man from the Cambridge police station, ‘It belongs to the Brotherhood.’
‘No!’ says the man from Concord, ‘There’s another settlement that needs help. I’ll mark it on your map.’
I rejected those factions; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... the Institute, a faction where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, the Institute can become your faction as well.”
Lmao I just finished playing through all 3, love the reference
Please watch this!
ruclips.net/video/k-HJHCSPyRk/видео.html
Made me really chuckle ;D Great - work. Thx man!
ruclips.net/video/JDqHoxVHW_s/видео.html
I love the bioshock reference
I know this is a old video and I am about 3 years and some odd months too late but, if the sole survivor were a synth and the institute made him/her, based on their ideals they would not let a synth become the director of the institute. It goes against everything that they believe in that being that synths are just machines to them and are pretty much there to be used.
Farther could have easily created you as the first gen 4 synth. your brain, even if dead, is still frozen. He could have reconstructed it, or prehaps scanned it to a synth body.
Another explanation is that father is a dying man wracked with regret. That's why he builds the experimental shaun. The institute already is known for being increably secretive even among its own members. He couldve have created you, believing he had created the first sentient synth, bestowing you the potential and skills to run the institute, not telling others in fear that they would not accept you. As an old man it is suspicious he gives control of the institute to us. Surely hed want to give it to someone skilled that he could trust, unless he already preprogramed those skills into us.
He could just decide to make synthetic soul survivor leader of the institute...to use his own words."to see what would happen"
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@@sanguinespirit2397 tho father is smart I doubt he can make that project alone even the child Shaun synth project was heavily debated among his staff plus there’s a lot stuff the SS remembers like the silver shroud which father wouldn’t know at all and plus there’s should be archives about such project
@@sanguinespirit2397 all gen 3 synths are sentient if the railroad decides to memory ripe them
I don't think the Sole Survivor is a synth, since in the event that Nate/Nora did go against the Institute, there would have been a recall code deployed to shut them down already, yet that did not happen.
Theory debunked.
Being Father's own project, who is to say he was the only one who knew about it. Even then what would the point in him stopping you be anyways? If he stopped you well I guess he die anyway, and Barely cares about the Institute.
Then how Vault-Tec Rep recognized him?
RUclips Heroes he said he could've been replaced when Shaun was taking. They can implant artificial memories
If the sole survivor was a synth it makes more sense why decon was stalking you outside the vault , and had kept an eye on progress.
you could say the same if the sole wasn't a synth tho
It'd be more about the institute involving with vault 111, leaving a thread they could use to track down the institute as they took the sole survivors son, which would have been logged at least somewhere, or evident from other things like the fact every other inhabitant is dead, and the sole survivor's spouse very obviously died in a struggle of some sort
There no way decon or the railroad would ever know that
"As human as the day I was born." Found this throwaway line said by the sole survivor amusingly vague. Heck, I'm as much a plant now as the day I was born.
if (day i was born = not human) {
now = not human
}