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So I liked this years "Compendium" if it is tournament related it should have design like this. It is similar like CSGO major pass but and there is big but CSGO major passes have 2-3 different things. 1. Collection souvenir packages that is something like prestige items. 2. Upgrading coin that stays forever. 3. This year we even don't have music kit that one is huge sad. I think they should at least add something like the collection of souvenir packages like set's immortals maybe just compendium related crimson treasure IDK if they had something like that it is actually W "Compendium" in my opinion. @wesaythings
This battle pass was exactly what I expected. But I had the same idea of "at least they should do a cavern crawl / bring a game mode back" but no they did the absolute minimum. Just a full whiplash from last years battle pass to his new one
They are the same concept. It was called a compendium for years. What was the point of your comment other than to misspell the word you are trying to correct me on? @@13666RAI
Those Ori games are 2 of my favorite platformers of all time. Incredibly smooth, beautiful, sounds great, with a compelling story to match. I am someone who has trouble playing single player games to completion but those games never felt long enough.
and if they give 100% of the compendium to the prizepool? that would make things up for that by far... and you don't have to buy any cosmetics at all. who gives a fuck about the prize pool except the pro players... it doesnt change the game at all
synderens pc is the same as the old one Ive recently upgraded, the difference in just basic desktop stuff (loading files, coding IDE's) is insane def worth it!
biggest issue with TI this year for me is two things. 1 the prize pool being lower wouldn't be a big deal if it was a traditional gauntlet style TI session viewed over a week. The draw of TI was all these top tier teams in one place battling it out, but this time it's spread over so much time it lacks that energy of seeing all these teams together going for it. and 2 the battle pass used to support TI and the players has almost nothing tangible to work towards. 150 levels for some chat lines? why even make a compendium. This seems like a weird year for DOTA, and idk how I feel about it. It's kinda sad, kinda disappointing, I guess we will see where it goes. But Riyadh is going to be the main draw now, teams will try harder to get into that than TI, and that just sucks
Sunsfan says Valve has all the statistics and is pretty sure about the payoffs of BP changes. But it's pretty hard to predict constumer behaviour (such as price elasticity) on these things. I think this will be a test, if people really only buy BP for the hats or part of it is actually supporting TI pricepool. If the former is true they will keep this years system because they can take 100% of money. If it's unsuccesful they might revert it next year.
Value proposition of the Collectors Cache was much worse because it has no additional rewards or BP levels, and the Compendium has less valuable content as rewards. Splitting up BP content as standalone stuff has made it a much worse value proposition for the consumer.
I really hope that the cosmetics and pro scene could be outsourced that the community can generate their own money of it. If valve truly wants to be abit hands of. Unless they are afraid neon prime flops and want to have a fall back to dota2
I had low expectations, but I kind of feel Valve might have something else brewing too. Maybe they will use that 2020 BP money to increase the prizepool.
The timing of Valve's actions shows that the focus is on CS2 and then on to Neon Prime. Dev's may work on dota, but only on projects they are passionate about... Not projects they 'have' to do. Valve's scaling back on dota and reducing their investment, thus no DPC and now less contribution to the overall TI prize pool.
Wait until they drop the news that I predicted months ago: the Road to TI is a con job to say "sorry 12 other teams, you don't get any of the TI prize pool because you didn't make top 8, which is REALLY the international". It will kill the pro scene. Mark my works the differentiation between the first 12 teams out and the last 8 will have a bigger reason than just naming it that way.
I expected them to increase the % that goes towards TI with how obviously low efforr this years compendium was... literally less stuff than the ti3 very first compendium
man I'm sad about what's ahead for our game, it's CS2 time to shine I guess. 😢 love both the games but my hearts closer to dotes. spend fuck ton of money in this, build friends, created a habit, meet people and motivated me to work hard afford virtual items KEKW. hearing the negativity around this doesn't help too. I'm optimistic but less hopeful. it felt "icefrog-less" DOTA. I'm sad but I brought the Compendium. probably would not level it. 😢
Our friend group bought it out of habit tbh. The only interesting stuff are voice lines and maybe the HUD. Most of us used to go for the bundle in previous years but we all bought the standard compendium this year.
@@sorasorisora nah. He actually posted an apology on Twitter. There was a thread asking why the casters never called Quinn out for his behavior which made it seem like they were condoning his toxic behavior.
I love the podcast - But it always bugs me when Synderen recommends games. Because he sounds so passionate and really trying to pitch this game he clearly enjoyed, and when he finishes talking sunsfan is just sitting there waiting for him to finish with nothing to add. Like jeez throw synd a bone ask him some followup questions god damn
As a 2k to 4k BP level enjoryer. Im fixated about the skins. I dont really care about that damn pro player cards. Voice chat and effects are just secondary. But my money is after that limited edition akins and gift it to my friends
SUNSfan being apalled that Synderyn hasn't upgraded his computer in 6 to 7 years. Me who has had the same computer for 10 years and hasn't upgraded any of the parts in 4 years: 😳
So the predictions that people "dont really care about esports but only the hats" was true all along, who would've seen that coming. Valve will probably release hats to make people happy at this point, kinda sad.
Less than 24 hours later and already $700k has been added to the prize pool. So not sure thats true. There just isn't much incentive to level this pass up. The hats/event/cavern crawl are part of the TI celebration and experience. I certainly spent more on the Battle Pass in years past knowing that a % of the proceeds was going towards a 'good cause', my yearly spend on DOTA will be significantly lower now.
No, Riyadh wont be a new TI.... Why would they create a tournament next year with 15mil prize pool ? They will see that this years TI had prize pool of like 3-4mil and during the year there are no tournaments over 1mil so if they make a tournament it will be 2mil prize pool tops...
this finally the year I dont own a compendium... no point of buying it, years before I bought it because there are some cosmetic that I had to have but this year why bother buying it? theres nothing... its crazy that they cant even add one cosmetic in it, zero value from buying it now...
Dissapoint with Valve on Dota 2 and CS2 update without any PvE event for Dota and Operation event,No new Anti cheat and use bad server for CS2 that kill the hype on CS2. Dota and CS deserve better treatment just like Riot games treat LoL and Valorant. Our child in future will play LoL and Valorant instead of Dota(beause dead) and CS(Saudi Money dried) for better career future.
I think its unfair to call out ayton, it's clearly coaching and management fault because he came in the league to be a scoring big man and he hardly gets to play on offense and it will only be worse with Beal in place of cp3
eh... prize pool was too big anyways, and now the compendium is for the people who actually care about the pro scene If you only care for hats or general game improvements, then the compendium is very inconsequential
No skins No real PVE game mode No funding for the pro scene is still acceptable but problem is why dafuq is all of them still marked as coming soon....This such a shit move man at least allow all of them to be accessible on day 1 so we can atleast see what we are buying into.
So I liked this years "Compendium" if it is tournament related it should have design like this. It is similar like CSGO major pass but and there is big but CSGO major passes have 2-3 different things. 1. Collection souvenir packages that is something like prestige items. 2. Upgrading coin that stays forever. 3. This year we even don't have music kit that one is huge sad. I think they should at least add something like the collection of souvenir packages like set's immortals maybe just compendium related crimson treasure IDK if they had something like that it is actually W "Compendium" in my opinion. @wesaythings
No music, no tower/creep/roshan skins, no weather/shader, no blink/euls/high five effect, no cavern crawl or gamemode, no personas or arcanas, no taunts, no versus screens, no announcer pack, no courier, no wards, no fun consumable items, no emotes, no river vials, NO TREASURES! No excitement to play. This compendium is garbage. Thanks for saving me money and time Valve. Enjoy your stupid stickers while you wait 10 minutes for a game since no one is gonna play to earn any of this trash.
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So I liked this years "Compendium" if it is tournament related it should have design like this. It is similar like CSGO major pass but and there is big but CSGO major passes have 2-3 different things. 1. Collection souvenir packages that is something like prestige items. 2. Upgrading coin that stays forever. 3. This year we even don't have music kit that one is huge sad. I think they should at least add something like the collection of souvenir packages like set's immortals maybe just compendium related crimson treasure IDK if they had something like that it is actually W "Compendium" in my opinion. @wesaythings
This battle pass was exactly what I expected. But I had the same idea of "at least they should do a cavern crawl / bring a game mode back" but no they did the absolute minimum. Just a full whiplash from last years battle pass to his new one
What battlepass? Only other games have battlepass like fortnite, dota2 stop having battlepass in 2021 there is a reason why it's called copendium
They are the same concept. It was called a compendium for years. What was the point of your comment other than to misspell the word you are trying to correct me on? @@13666RAI
Is this what Sunsfan warned us about?
It might be actualy
i wanna ominously type this comment on every episode going forward
😂😂😂😂😂
You prob should forget it, cause he won’t say what it is, it’s a catch to keep you guys coming back lol.
Sorry It's at 69(Nice).Won't like this but commenting to let you .We acknowledge your consistency 🔥🔥🔥
Ori is a 10 outta 10 recommend and good steamdeck choice too
Synderen talking about those indie classics is a great segment :)
Those Ori games are 2 of my favorite platformers of all time. Incredibly smooth, beautiful, sounds great, with a compelling story to match. I am someone who has trouble playing single player games to completion but those games never felt long enough.
If they are releasing the cosmetics after TI, does that mean they want ALL of the profit and not giveaway 25% of it to the prizepool?
Probably.
Exactly this
😂😂😂😂
and if they give 100% of the compendium to the prizepool? that would make things up for that by far... and you don't have to buy any cosmetics at all. who gives a fuck about the prize pool except the pro players... it doesnt change the game at all
@@PrefoX you somehow missed the point my guy
synderens pc is the same as the old one Ive recently upgraded, the difference in just basic desktop stuff (loading files, coding IDE's) is insane def worth it!
Finally the much awaited NBA segment is back
biggest issue with TI this year for me is two things. 1 the prize pool being lower wouldn't be a big deal if it was a traditional gauntlet style TI session viewed over a week. The draw of TI was all these top tier teams in one place battling it out, but this time it's spread over so much time it lacks that energy of seeing all these teams together going for it. and 2 the battle pass used to support TI and the players has almost nothing tangible to work towards. 150 levels for some chat lines? why even make a compendium. This seems like a weird year for DOTA, and idk how I feel about it. It's kinda sad, kinda disappointing, I guess we will see where it goes. But Riyadh is going to be the main draw now, teams will try harder to get into that than TI, and that just sucks
Sunsfan says Valve has all the statistics and is pretty sure about the payoffs of BP changes. But it's pretty hard to predict constumer behaviour (such as price elasticity) on these things. I think this will be a test, if people really only buy BP for the hats or part of it is actually supporting TI pricepool. If the former is true they will keep this years system because they can take 100% of money. If it's unsuccesful they might revert it next year.
Value proposition of the Collectors Cache was much worse because it has no additional rewards or BP levels, and the Compendium has less valuable content as rewards. Splitting up BP content as standalone stuff has made it a much worse value proposition for the consumer.
I really hope that the cosmetics and pro scene could be outsourced that the community can generate their own money of it. If valve truly wants to be abit hands of. Unless they are afraid neon prime flops and want to have a fall back to dota2
neon prime will flop so hard next battle pass will have six arcanas, screenshot this
Love synderen recommends section
I love how your comment can be translated to English by youtube. And it now says "Love the sinner recommends section"
best podcast on youtube
I had low expectations, but I kind of feel Valve might have something else brewing too. Maybe they will use that 2020 BP money to increase the prizepool.
If not they legit steal that money 😂
NBA segment lets go!
Was eagerly waiting for this
The timing of Valve's actions shows that the focus is on CS2 and then on to Neon Prime. Dev's may work on dota, but only on projects they are passionate about... Not projects they 'have' to do. Valve's scaling back on dota and reducing their investment, thus no DPC and now less contribution to the overall TI prize pool.
Wait until they drop the news that I predicted months ago: the Road to TI is a con job to say "sorry 12 other teams, you don't get any of the TI prize pool because you didn't make top 8, which is REALLY the international".
It will kill the pro scene. Mark my works the differentiation between the first 12 teams out and the last 8 will have a bigger reason than just naming it that way.
I expected them to increase the % that goes towards TI with how obviously low efforr this years compendium was... literally less stuff than the ti3 very first compendium
man I'm sad about what's ahead for our game, it's CS2 time to shine I guess. 😢
love both the games but my hearts closer to dotes.
spend fuck ton of money in this, build friends, created a habit, meet people and motivated me to work hard afford virtual items KEKW.
hearing the negativity around this doesn't help too. I'm optimistic but less hopeful.
it felt "icefrog-less" DOTA. I'm sad but I brought the Compendium.
probably would not level it.
😢
Our friend group bought it out of habit tbh. The only interesting stuff are voice lines and maybe the HUD. Most of us used to go for the bundle in previous years but we all bought the standard compendium this year.
I was excited to see you guys talk about the Reddit thread about Quinn. Guess it didn’t make the program :(
Quinn breaking items again?
Quinn being a pos isn't anything new
@@sorasorisora nah. He actually posted an apology on Twitter. There was a thread asking why the casters never called Quinn out for his behavior which made it seem like they were condoning his toxic behavior.
I love the podcast - But it always bugs me when Synderen recommends games. Because he sounds so passionate and really trying to pitch this game he clearly enjoyed, and when he finishes talking sunsfan is just sitting there waiting for him to finish with nothing to add.
Like jeez throw synd a bone ask him some followup questions god damn
Sunsfan? Say something interesting or useful?
Nurk is actually pretty good, if fit lmao
Don't you worry about TI, Saudi got plenty blood money coming your way
Out of my 10 person friend group. 3 of them bought it. And all 3 bought it without even looking at what it was. xD
As a 2k to 4k BP level enjoryer. Im fixated about the skins. I dont really care about that damn pro player cards. Voice chat and effects are just secondary. But my money is after that limited edition akins and gift it to my friends
Sunsfun, can you confirm if the things you warned us about are already out?
Teaguv waited 24 hrs plus for compendium trash kekw
SUNSfan being apalled that Synderyn hasn't upgraded his computer in 6 to 7 years.
Me who has had the same computer for 10 years and hasn't upgraded any of the parts in 4 years: 😳
So the predictions that people "dont really care about esports but only the hats" was true all along, who would've seen that coming. Valve will probably release hats to make people happy at this point, kinda sad.
Less than 24 hours later and already $700k has been added to the prize pool. So not sure thats true. There just isn't much incentive to level this pass up. The hats/event/cavern crawl are part of the TI celebration and experience. I certainly spent more on the Battle Pass in years past knowing that a % of the proceeds was going towards a 'good cause', my yearly spend on DOTA will be significantly lower now.
join the petition!
If cosmetics come after TI, what will Crimson Witness treasures be based on?
I played wil o the wisp first and then going back to the first the controls felt a bit clunky to me
Prize pool base is still 1.6 million, it is showing on ti page
No discussion on the Quinn drama?
No, Riyadh wont be a new TI.... Why would they create a tournament next year with 15mil prize pool ? They will see that this years TI had prize pool of like 3-4mil and during the year there are no tournaments over 1mil so if they make a tournament it will be 2mil prize pool tops...
48:05 I will be even more than 15million less.
Sponsors, teams and so on will invest a lot less too...
Swag bag 2 incoming as compensation for this trash compendium
I bought the 40$ one without looking, I did a big dumb.
this finally the year I dont own a compendium... no point of buying it, years before I bought it because there are some cosmetic that I had to have but this year why bother buying it? theres nothing...
its crazy that they cant even add one cosmetic in it, zero value from buying it now...
Wow pretty early today!
Dissapoint with Valve on Dota 2 and CS2 update without any PvE event for Dota and Operation event,No new Anti cheat and use bad server for CS2 that kill the hype on CS2. Dota and CS deserve better treatment just like Riot games treat LoL and Valorant. Our child in future will play LoL and Valorant instead of Dota(beause dead) and CS(Saudi Money dried) for better career future.
15% of profits valve makes from synd recommends should fund captains draft 3.0
I think its unfair to call out ayton, it's clearly coaching and management fault because he came in the league to be a scoring big man and he hardly gets to play on offense and it will only be worse with Beal in place of cp3
There is no incentive to buy the compendium. No value.
SYBDEREN I CAN HEAR YOUR CLICKS AHAIN
So beting has made it to dota basicly
eh... prize pool was too big anyways, and now the compendium is for the people who actually care about the pro scene
If you only care for hats or general game improvements, then the compendium is very inconsequential
TI will still dwarf the rest of the year, because the rest of the year will be empty with small prize pools.
I will gladly pay for compendium if they give us free old arcana
Saksha was right, TI isnt worth his mental health!
Neon prime better be dota 3 or this game is dead. I feel really bad for the players.
Sad to see them killing the game by butchering their prestige tournament n making it a joke
Sad for the game
No skins No real PVE game mode No funding for the pro scene is still acceptable but problem is why dafuq is all of them still marked as coming soon....This such a shit move man at least allow all of them to be accessible on day 1 so we can atleast see what we are buying into.
hey prizepool, enjoy 25% of nothing, while we cash in after the touney ends.
So I liked this years "Compendium" if it is tournament related it should have design like this. It is similar like CSGO major pass but and there is big but CSGO major passes have 2-3 different things. 1. Collection souvenir packages that is something like prestige items. 2. Upgrading coin that stays forever. 3. This year we even don't have music kit that one is huge sad. I think they should at least add something like the collection of souvenir packages like set's immortals maybe just compendium related crimson treasure IDK if they had something like that it is actually W "Compendium" in my opinion. @wesaythings
valve want to kill dota pro scene?
This compendium is the iphone 15 persona of dota 2
they only put the worst stuff in the compendium aside from the voice lines.
My man recommending Super Meatboy lmao
Yo guys, I recommend Pong
I wish I was wrong, but if I had to bet... Dota is gonna be dead in 5 years max
No music, no tower/creep/roshan skins, no weather/shader, no blink/euls/high five effect, no cavern crawl or gamemode, no personas or arcanas, no taunts, no versus screens, no announcer pack, no courier, no wards, no fun consumable items, no emotes, no river vials, NO TREASURES!
No excitement to play.
This compendium is garbage. Thanks for saving me money and time Valve. Enjoy your stupid stickers while you wait 10 minutes for a game since no one is gonna play to earn any of this trash.
Fiiiirst