PowerBook 2400c -- The Japanese Mac Made by IBM

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  • Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
  • Despite the strange times Apple went through in the mid-Nineties, the company managed to produce a surprisingly competent lineup of Mac laptops. Except it didn't actually make of them.
    Sources:
    Duo 2300c images: upload.wikimed...
    flic.kr/p/cMPuuW
    96MB RAM card vs 64MB: 68kmla.org/for...
    Upgraded 2400 with G3 card: 68kmla.org/for...
    "PowerBook 2400: A True Tokyo Rose", Wired, 2002. www.wired.com/...
    PowerBook 2400 owners at 1999 Macworld Tokyo: web.archive.or...
    Yu-Plan keyboard modded 2400: kevinmacwhinni...
    Japanese customized 2400s: web.archive.or...
    Silver PB2400: web.archive.or...
    Red PB2400: web.archive.or...
    Translucent custom PB2400s: web.archive.or...
    web.archive.or...
    PowerBook 2400c Perfect Guide photos: yahoo.aleado.co...
    Apple Pippin image: upload.wikimed...
    Computerworld, July 14, 1997.
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Комментарии • 314

  • @JessicaFEREM
    @JessicaFEREM 4 года назад +170

    >didn't have an optical or floppy drive and opted to use a bigger battery to stay compact
    boy oh boy this laptop was wayyyy ahead of it's time

  • @ElectroPotato
    @ElectroPotato 4 года назад +180

    When you can't decide if you want to *think* or *think different*

    • @sethseth6ify
      @sethseth6ify 4 года назад +8

      Why not both?

    • @NuclearTopSpot
      @NuclearTopSpot 4 года назад +6

      I personally like to cognitively conceive of something else.

    • @thecianinator
      @thecianinator 4 года назад +1

      @@NuclearTopSpot underrated comment right here

    • @_Lewo
      @_Lewo Год назад

      Think similarly

  • @isaiah7617
    @isaiah7617 4 года назад +2

    Wonderful video as always. I also just wanted to thank you for continuing to present your content in the way that you do, and I hope it continues as it always has. You're one of the seemingly few these days gimmicky/"shock-value" technology RUclipsrs. Your concise and focused delivery of content is always enjoyable, no matter the subject. I look forward to the next one!

  • @fm00078
    @fm00078 4 года назад

    I like how you dig up info and make even the least interested, interested.
    I was going to quit at 1 min but hung in there another 30 secs. and found I watched the whole thing. GREAT WORK, THANKS!

  • @kbhasi
    @kbhasi 4 года назад +71

    4:12 Did you try running "startx" or "xinit" to see what desktop environment or window manager is installed and it defaults to?

    • @ps5hasnogames55
      @ps5hasnogames55 2 года назад +2

      no because no one cares about loonix

    • @MarkMann1
      @MarkMann1 2 года назад +3

      @@ps5hasnogames55 speak for yourself

    • @ps5hasnogames55
      @ps5hasnogames55 2 года назад

      @@MarkMann1 nah i think i speak for the vast majority of people when i say no one cares about loonux

    • @MarkMann1
      @MarkMann1 2 года назад +13

      @@ps5hasnogames55 nah, speak for yourself.

    • @ps5hasnogames55
      @ps5hasnogames55 2 года назад

      @@MarkMann1 cope more

  • @PixelOutlaw
    @PixelOutlaw 4 года назад +4

    Boy that thing looks like an absolute nightmare to get into. Really nice to see that Apple actually supported standard IO ports.

    • @ModMINI
      @ModMINI 3 года назад

      All laptops of this era were pretty similar, with the IBM Thinkpad being possibly the most serviceable.

    • @edgarwalk5637
      @edgarwalk5637 2 года назад

      2010+: Hold my beer.

  • @kutannopapa
    @kutannopapa 2 года назад

    Back then Japan was the epicenter of laptop computer evolution where people commute long hours in train and want light yet powerful computers. IBM (now Lenovo) designed and produced most of its ThinkPad line products in Yamato factory in the outskirt of Tokyo, to ship to the world. (IBM also had its own lineup of sub notebooks and palm-top computers exclusively sold in Japan). I never had a chance to own that particular model but remember how people were enthusiastic about the machine here. Well scripted documentary with old Japanese magazines and websites involved. Awesome!

  • @zipzeolocke2
    @zipzeolocke2 4 года назад +2

    I love how the trackpad buttons looks like a handlebar mustache :3 lol

  • @richardharding760
    @richardharding760 4 года назад

    Another great video i thought i knew a lot about Apple, but this was new to me.

  • @ftlbaby
    @ftlbaby Год назад

    So happy we don't have to make compromises anymore

  • @gabest4
    @gabest4 4 года назад

    The hinge screwed into inserts held by plastic... You can only find these on hundred dollar netbooks. Every screw must hold firmly, or the rest will be exposed to forces greater than they were designed to and the whole thing falls apart.

  • @jamiem5068
    @jamiem5068 4 года назад

    My top of the line at the time msi dominator from ‘15 or ‘16 gets about 30 mins while not plugged in, at idle, using igpu and power saving profile, and undeclock to 2 ghz

  • @askhowiknow5527
    @askhowiknow5527 4 года назад

    This came out during a pathetic era for Apple, but a Japanese Mac made by IBM sounds like a winning hand

  • @fenixlolnope361
    @fenixlolnope361 3 года назад

    God I want one! These machines are so awesome

  • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
    @lawrencedoliveiro9104 3 года назад

    Is this surprising? The groundbreaking PowerBook 100 was made by Sony. Who apparently stiffed Apple over the manufacturing cost. Which is why, in spite of how well-received it was, only I think 100,000 were made, and no more.

  • @rich1051414
    @rich1051414 4 года назад

    You can cut traces on a standard 64MB ram module and add mod wires, but it isn't for the faint of heart. However, often back then it was cheaper to learn to solder than to special order that upgrade. I am not sure it is worth it today unless you just want to say you did it.
    Information is available on what traces to cut, and where to add your jumpers.
    I would opt to mod the ram, not the motherboard. Cheaper if you mess up.
    Edit: I see you found the information. I commented too early :)

  • @mr_beezlebub3985
    @mr_beezlebub3985 4 года назад

    Would be cool if Apple or IBM offered commercial desktops and laptops using Power9 CPUs.

    • @tookitogo
      @tookitogo 4 года назад

      Mr_Beezlebub No it wouldn’t. The battery life would be appalling. Literally the reason Apple switched to Intel was because of the lack of notebook-capable G5 processors. But even in desktops their heat dissipation was a factor, requiring far more cooling than the Intel chips.

    • @mr_beezlebub3985
      @mr_beezlebub3985 4 года назад

      @@tookitogo I don't know if you know this or not, but Power9 CPUs are much more power efficient than their PowerPC predecessors that existed in the early 2000s.

  • @resonantconsciousness9248
    @resonantconsciousness9248 4 года назад

    Mmmmm a dvd drive in a laptop, I miss my old lenovo.

  • @MarshallSmith27
    @MarshallSmith27 3 года назад

    wouldn't they be JIS and not Phillips screws?

  • @lloydmunga4961
    @lloydmunga4961 3 года назад

    Until Intel, mac computers were basically IBM workstations with custom apple boot roms

  • @jjohnson71958
    @jjohnson71958 4 года назад

    Where can I download simple text for windows

  • @jmd1743
    @jmd1743 4 года назад

    Would you be willing to make an attempt to rebuild one of those batteries with lithium cells? It would be an actually decent laptop if it had 1 usb 1.0 slots

    • @ThisDoesNotCompute
      @ThisDoesNotCompute  4 года назад

      A part of the video that got cut for time is an interesting note about the 2400’s PC Card slots - they’re actually CardBus-compatible if a small mod to the motherboard is performed. A decent number of owners sent their machines into a couple of companies who could do that work. One of the most common reasons they did it? So they could add a USB CardBus adapter.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 4 года назад

      @@ThisDoesNotCompute I miss laptops having expansion cards instead of just desktops as today (hell, the smaller new desktops don't even have slots). You could stretch out so much more use from them by adding a card or two! I guess that's exactly why they make you have to buy a whole new machine nowadays... back then they were so much more expensive, they knew people wouldn't buy them without some kind of "insurance" against obsolescence, whereas now there's Chromebooks and all of that, so they just present them as integrated black box units.

  • @safetydoge
    @safetydoge 4 года назад +2

    I'll be honest, putting the Japanese keyboard on this is literally like putting a trueno badge on a non JDM Corolla

    • @kanjosidr
      @kanjosidr 4 года назад

      exactly - it's okay if you want to, but purists gonna be mad

  • @gamescomputer5464
    @gamescomputer5464 3 года назад

    Sooooo cooool

  • @SirRigbyBaconKaiser
    @SirRigbyBaconKaiser 4 года назад +1

    Ah yes the AIM alliance.
    To bad apple decided to kill off a good thing.

  • @duality4y
    @duality4y 4 года назад

    Who are you calling a Computer Nerd! you you Geek! (joke)

  • @buffaloj0e
    @buffaloj0e 4 года назад

    The only thing they would have to give up is plenty of cash from their wallet lol

  • @FSM_Reviews
    @FSM_Reviews 4 года назад

    Why am I getting Psivewri vibes?

  • @lunisic
    @lunisic 2 года назад

    This guy looks like a non gay version of alton brown from food network 🤷‍♂️ still cool

  • @spagbowlsparmacheese629
    @spagbowlsparmacheese629 4 года назад

    Ergonomically new laptops suck.. Ireland also made many of the 90s Macs.

    • @tookitogo
      @tookitogo 4 года назад

      Spagbowls & parma cheese Apple performed final assembly of many Macs in USA, Ireland, Singapore, and Japan in the 90s - and today. If you buy a configure to order desktop Mac in Europe, final assembly is still Ireland. In USA, still USA, etc. (This might not always be the case with iMacs, but it is with Mac Pro.)

  • @aeonjoey3d
    @aeonjoey3d 4 года назад

    It drives me absolutely CRAZY when people fix up older machines and DON'T install an SSD, hell even an adapter for a compactflash card would be better all around: lower temps, quieter, INSANELY FASTER LOADING TIMES FOR OS AND APPS, and reliability! why NOT install an SSD!!!???!?!??!?!!? LKJ;GSADJGL;KASJ;KFDJSFL;KDJS;KL

    • @pentiummmx2294
      @pentiummmx2294 4 года назад +1

      SSDs have a finite write cycle lifespan sadly, and swapfiles can quickly decrease the SSD's lifespan and inevitably make them die, and plus, older OSes don't support the TRIM function on SSDs.

  • @JeffMendoza
    @JeffMendoza 4 года назад +15

    This is my old laptop, I recognize the damage to the lid. I setup the software as well. I sold it together with a 2nd laptop, one "good", and one "parts". I believe it would not run on battery power. This happened when I hot-unplugged the SCSI cd-rom with the machine asleep. This damaged the power board in some way. I verified by switching the power board between laptops and the problem followed the board. Both batteries were good. What did you get with it? That Orinoco card looks familiar as well. =)

    • @ThisDoesNotCompute
      @ThisDoesNotCompute  4 года назад +5

      Yep, this was your machine alright! I bought both machines together (the other one was the “good” one) about 10 years ago. Other than an assortment of CD-ROMs and the wireless card, both included neoprene “wetsuit” carrying cases. I’ll have to do further testing with regards to the whole AC/battery power thing, though at least both machines boot and run just fine still. How did you end up with a second one?

    • @JeffMendoza
      @JeffMendoza 4 года назад +4

      @@ThisDoesNotCompute Ah, yes, I remember now, very cool! I bought the second one after I broke the first one. I can't remember, but I think I got a good deal for it off one of the Macintosh mailing lists of the time.
      I used the machine as a backup or portable when I was in college in the early '00s, I had a G4 as my main desktop. CodeWarrior was for my school assignments. The rest of the software was just things I used at the time. I had Debian Linux on both my G4 and this back then. I remember the G4 had a better openfirmware that allowed you to boot directly to Linux, rather than use BootX.
      I found your channel recently searching for GameBoy mods, and I enjoy it very much!

    • @TechHowden
      @TechHowden 2 года назад +1

      What actually happened to the lid?

  • @thumbwarriordx
    @thumbwarriordx 4 года назад +175

    "Up to four hours. Pretty short by todays standards..."
    **Cries in Gaming Laptop**

    • @xenobreak1160
      @xenobreak1160 4 года назад +5

      Gaming on anything eats battery faster.

    • @thumbwarriordx
      @thumbwarriordx 4 года назад +16

      @@xenobreak1160 Nah, just having the GPU in the system eats the battery faster.

    • @anew742
      @anew742 4 года назад +6

      @@thumbwarriordx It feels like *everything* eats the battery faster lol

    • @irdmoose
      @irdmoose 4 года назад +5

      That's why you use switchable graphics and disable the dedicated GPU when the power cable is disconnected. My gaming laptop from 2013 gets about 8 hours when I do that with a lightly used battery (the battery is shot now and due to be replaced)

    • @anew742
      @anew742 4 года назад +3

      @@irdmoose What laptop do you have? I use battery saver, reduce screen brightness, switch to the low-power GPU, etc. etc. but still struggle to get over 3 hours

  • @reliant_turbo
    @reliant_turbo 4 года назад +63

    one way of reinforcing brass inserts in plastic standoffs is to glue them and then slide some thinwall brass tubing over the outside of the plastic part.

    • @briangoldberg4439
      @briangoldberg4439 4 года назад +6

      I usually fill the crevice around the insert with something like jb weld. As long as you leave passage for any cables, that usually prevents any future breakage.

    • @Tomppa8.2
      @Tomppa8.2 4 года назад +3

      Super glue and baking soda works also.

    • @briangoldberg4439
      @briangoldberg4439 4 года назад +1

      @@Tomppa8.2 that too. really just anything to reinforce the nut-sert from the outside, putting it back as-is is just asking for it to break again. Even if the glue holds, it'll be stronger than the plastic around it.

    • @Zeem4
      @Zeem4 4 года назад +1

      @@briangoldberg4439 Same here - I use whatever 2-part epoxy glue I've got to hand, like Araldite. It's not limited to very old laptops either, the last one I did was a Dell Vostro 15 5568, only 3 years old but just out of warranty. Seemingly part of a bad batch because I've seen loads of them fail the same way. The upper case/wrist-rest fails and the screen falls off if left unchecked. That said, I'd really like to try the superglue and baking soda method.

  • @Lessard_DeDead
    @Lessard_DeDead 4 года назад +22

    The "damage" of the top cover looks like dripping from a hash joint... Just saying... LoL

  • @SuperNicktendo
    @SuperNicktendo 4 года назад +162

    A translucent laptop from the 90s would be pretty awesome

    • @ShiggitayMediaProductions
      @ShiggitayMediaProductions 4 года назад +14

      Yeah I like that aesthetic too. I got my GameBoy Advance back in the day in the translucent Atomic Purple color and it was awesome.

    • @mopeybloke
      @mopeybloke 4 года назад +2

      That was more of a Aughts thing.

    • @SuperNicktendo
      @SuperNicktendo 4 года назад +12

      @@mopeybloke I'm sure it spilled into the early augts as trends tend to go. But the clear trend started in the 90s which included Zima, Crystal Pepsi and the Gameboy Play It Loud version.

    • @CommodoreFan64
      @CommodoreFan64 4 года назад +7

      @@SuperNicktendo Yes the see threw trend did indeed start in the 90's, as Apple released the first clear iMac computers in August of 98, and things started to copy that trend to say around 05/06 when it started to die out, so we can call that period a 2nd wave for clear plastic, and the clear trend in general.

    • @einsteinx2
      @einsteinx2 4 года назад +12

      I remember seeing the transparent case laptop in the movie Hackers and wanting one so bad. I was so jealous that he got it for free too, I wanted a laptop so bad back then but I was like 12 and laptops were super expensive haha.

  • @technicalmachine1671
    @technicalmachine1671 4 года назад +12

    Four hours in 1997 was *excellent*.

    • @DanTDMJace
      @DanTDMJace 3 года назад +1

      Woah woah woah that excellent should be *excellent*

  • @ModMINI
    @ModMINI 3 года назад +2

    I worked on Macs at this time doing desk side support... it was a really confusing time for a potential Apple buyer. They had a lot of overlapping product lines in both desktop and laptop space. After Steve Jobs's return, he eliminated most of them, reducing it to 4 main products - consumer desktop, consumer laptop, pro desktop, pro laptop - the iMac, iBook and Power Mac and Powerbook. This simplicity made it easy for customers to figure out which computer was right for them and reduced product development cost.

  • @MaxOakland
    @MaxOakland 3 года назад +7

    Seems like IBM had some good influence on this design. Except for messing up the RAM pins!
    Also I love your videos about old Macs. More please!

  • @hypercube33
    @hypercube33 4 года назад +12

    thank you for showing the flat flex connectors - I seriously hate these and instructions that dont show if they slide or hinge open. I also cringed so hard when you put the controller on the LCD - thats how you get scratches :)

  • @RATsnak3
    @RATsnak3 4 года назад +5

    that moment when you're casually browsing yahoo auctions japan

    • @raven4k998
      @raven4k998 3 года назад

      when your brain turns into sticky goo over time muhahahahahaha

  • @mattelder1971
    @mattelder1971 4 года назад +5

    I have one of the 4GB hard drives that would fit in that laptop, actually one of the Apple/IBM branded ones. You are welcome to it if you like. I've had it sitting in my drawer for years.

  • @massashihosono
    @massashihosono 2 года назад +2

    It’s amazing how Japanese were into macs those days. I remember my dad saying that at the headquarters of Japanese companies having a office with only classic ii macs was a common trend there. In deed, there was nothing more Japanese than macs in the 90s

  • @AureliusR
    @AureliusR 2 года назад +2

    Super glue (cyanoacrylate) works very well on plastics, but if you ever need something a step up, get a specific plastic welder like Devcon Plastic Welder (make sure to get the cream coloured formulation, *not* the clear -- they use completely different methods for welding the plastic and the cream coloured one is much superior). The Devcon in particular is very, very strong and also machinable/drillable. So unlike epoxies (or cyanoacrylates) it's not brittle and it's easy to file away excess. It's particularly good for vintage plastics that have broken, like those standoffs. It also smells extremely volatile so you know it's working!

  • @ironhead2008
    @ironhead2008 4 года назад +7

    The words uniqueness and customization being applied to Macs and their users? Hmm, now you know you're talking about a long, long time ago.

    • @daemonspudguy
      @daemonspudguy 3 года назад

      The Mac Pro would like to disagree. That thing is the most modular desktop in years.

  • @theshadowman1398
    @theshadowman1398 4 года назад +12

    That translucent Japanese keyboard is really cool.
    I am currently done with Apple computers because of how nasty they are build where everything is glued / soldered together to not allow the customer to swap components and extend the life of the machine.

  • @realdragonrude
    @realdragonrude 4 года назад +41

    Apple was so much better when the logo had colors

    • @candbotchan257
      @candbotchan257 4 года назад +8

      The Newton, ImageWriter and QuickTake were unheard of, but the iPod and iBook were overnight successes. If beating the “old Apple good new Apple bad” dead horse makes you feel better then sure.

    • @rich1051414
      @rich1051414 4 года назад +1

      @referral madness Apple was basically both IBM and Microsoft at the same time. It almost spelled their death. It was their (arguably) anti-competitive ecosystem and the switch to x86 that saved them. I hear apple wants to go to ARM now... I wish them luck...

    • @Dustie1984
      @Dustie1984 4 года назад +5

      ​@@rich1051414 How did switching to x86 save them? That was long after the iMac and a bit after the iPod+iTunes, I'd argue that those were the two things that saved Apple, not switching to x86 which hardly made much difference to the average end user...

    • @flounder31
      @flounder31 4 года назад +2

      @referral madness The fact that otherwise likely intelligent people still peddle the stupid notion that "Bill Gates saved Apple", some 23 years on now, just makes me shake my head. Sure, tell yourself that a company that was sitting on north of $2 billion (yes, that's a B) in cash was in imminent danger of bankruptcy. (Jobs told the 90-days-from-broke story because it cemented his legend.) Tell yourself that Microsoft didn't know about iMac's imminent release, and didn't want the finally-updated-as-part-of-that-deal MS Office for Mac sold to all those newly-minted Mac users. Ask yourself what Microsoft's $150M investment in Apple netted them, as they cashed it out between 2000-2003? (Had they kept hold of them to present-day, their $150M would be worth $22.4 Billion today, and well over 2x that a few years back at Apple's peak.)
      But you go on, parroting this nonsense narrative in comments sections. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    • @da_pawz
      @da_pawz 4 года назад

      @@Dustie1984 Yes the first iPod launched in 2001 and Apple computers switched to Intel in 2006. But the 1st attempt to use intel begun in early 1990s, with 'Star Trek project', but it stopped and they moved to PowerPC instead.

  • @cyber_pirate
    @cyber_pirate 4 года назад +9

    If this was able to have a G3 CPU, couldn’t this theoretically run OS X?

    • @cyber_pirate
      @cyber_pirate 4 года назад

      Yep
      ruclips.net/video/ITAfzekyR48/видео.html

  • @prismstudios001
    @prismstudios001 3 года назад +1

    IBM used to be my hometown’s 2nd biggest employer. I lived about10 blocks from theHQ. THAT LOCATION IS NOW A SKETCHY COMMUNITY college.

  • @baconfister
    @baconfister 4 года назад +2

    Soundjam MP ROCKED!!! It’s too bad Apple screwed it up.

  • @AlejandroKar98k
    @AlejandroKar98k 3 года назад +1

    23 years old mac have a swiss army knife of ports
    2020 macbook pro 4 type C usb
    WHY

  • @CarlGrint
    @CarlGrint 4 года назад +1

    Wouldn't it have made sense with IBM making the PowerPC which Apple used? They had a long business relationship with the PowerPC processors until they moved to Intel once IBM couldn't produce faster processors for the laptops.

  • @kray97
    @kray97 4 года назад +1

    Actually seems like yesterday that Macs switched from PowerPC to Intel/x86.

  • @colombianguy8194
    @colombianguy8194 4 года назад +3

    Great video. i am from Colombia, and apple products in the 90's were kind of rare here, PC was and is still the king. I remember as a 90's kid to see Apple products on magazines, but they were very expensive!. Apple didn't had prescence on schools like in the US either, so, in 2004, when i finally had an old powerbook on my hands (was from my cousin who our family in Canada send it to him), it was a memorable experience, to learn MacOS, the software, the games... was awesome!! and a refresh to the "win-tel" dominated world. BTW, i fix those screw inserts with epoxy adhesive, (loctite Epoxi-MIL) the one that you mix two components to form a gray paste. it's a slow process (24h to harden) but is much better than the cyanocrilate glue.

  • @WrestlingWithGaming
    @WrestlingWithGaming 4 года назад

    Star Trek Borg is such a fun FMV game. I recently replayed it under Dos Box and it still holds up. Anyways, this was a really interesting little machine and video. Thanks!

  • @ryanvacation7319
    @ryanvacation7319 4 года назад +3

    When I used to work in Japan many many years ago, I remember a couple of people in my office owning this model.

  • @carbondragon
    @carbondragon 2 года назад +2

    That was the era where I bought my Power Computing Power tower Pro computer. It was in many ways the best Mac I ever had. It was so good and so fast that it took years and years after Apple shut down all the clones for any actual Macintosh to come close to the performance I already had. Ah, those were the days. I had a 270c too (I started out with a Radio Shack WP-2 to take notes for my masters program, but then switched to the 270c purchased used at Comp USA and boy was I glad I did). Sadly, Apple is not what it was. But unlike Google, it helps me with my problems on the phone.

  • @SenileOtaku
    @SenileOtaku 4 года назад +2

    I think we had one of these at our IBM media lab, around 1999 or 2000. The power supply went bad, so that was the end of using it.
    But a much different Apple; back then they allowed and *encouraged* upgrading and customization. These days they'd weld the housing shut if they could get away with it.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 4 года назад +1

      Hell, even ten years ago the processor in an iMac was still socketed, you could replace the GPU (if you found one that fit), there was a standard 3.5" hard drive, and so on. Now their iMacs are just like their laptops, soldered-in everything :/

  • @JamesR624
    @JamesR624 4 года назад +13

    5:32 _"Someone's been in hereee!" - DankPods_

  • @ShiggitayMediaProductions
    @ShiggitayMediaProductions 4 года назад +3

    Amazing content as always Collin/Colin (?)! I remember this machine fondly, but I remember wanting a PowerBook 3400c like the one you show in the ending B-Roll. Will you be doing a video on it in the near future? Given we're I'm assuming close in age (I'm 36) I remember most if not all of the retro stuff you over on this channel, which is part of the reason why I come back time and time again! Stay safe!

  • @FindecanorNotGmail
    @FindecanorNotGmail 4 года назад +92

    The plastic melting could have been from being stored together with PVC cables. Those contain chemicals that eat into ABS plastic over time.
    That's why you always wrap the cables in your vintage collection so that they don't touch plastic.

    • @santospoland
      @santospoland 4 года назад +9

      Some of Apple's laptops used a very soft rubber and overtime they breakdown and all one is left with is a gooey residue. It was simply a poor material choice.

    • @Claro1993
      @Claro1993 4 года назад +5

      Alex Santos IBM ThinkPad Laptops also suffer the same problem overtime.

    • @jdpruente
      @jdpruente 4 года назад +4

      @@santospoland I think they are referring to the pitting on the cover, not the rubber bumpers.

    • @tookitogo
      @tookitogo 4 года назад +1

      Findecanor Nope, not a chance. If the plasticizers in PVC attacked ABS, then it would eat holes in all the devices that are made of ABS and contain permanently-installed PVC wires (which is nearly all). ABS is the most widely used plastic for electronics, and PVC is _by far_the most common wire insulation. If they were incompatible there would be widespread problems, but there aren’t. (Note that around 15 years ago, Apple began transitioning away from PVC, since it releases toxic fumes when incinerated.)
      What PVC does attack is polystyrene, which is why it eats into styrofoam.

    • @SianaGearz
      @SianaGearz 4 года назад +3

      @@tookitogo ABS is usually about two thirds polystyrene. So any solvent that affects polysterene will also affect ABS, with rare exceptional differences that are largely down to magnitude and timing, for example Limonene makes short work out of PS but takes much longer to penetrate many grades of ABS for some reason, but most solvents are close to equally effective.
      PVC is an extremely brittle and hard plastic, this is why it's used for gramophone records. It is also a plastic which is naturally difficult to ignite, which makes it a preferred material for insulation. To make it actually usable, it's mixed with a plastifier, a "non-volatile" solvent. Obviously if it wasn't inclined to move, it wouldn't possibly be a solvent, so it escapes from the surface and gets wicked out, because you have seen what happens with old PVC products, these compounds invariably turn out to be somewhat volatile over decades upon decades. The composition varies A LOT and is usually a trade secret, and what they affect is also down to storage conditions. Whether the air is stale or slightly moving can make all the difference between it evaporating or seeping into the adjacent plastic. So you can't just make sweeping statements.
      Another thing to keep in mind is that Styrofoam has an extremely large surface area for very little volume, so even very small penetration depth can cause the mechanical structure to critically weaken. You could place the clear front piece of a CD case, which is also made from pure polystyrene, under the same conditions, and find no obvious damage.

  • @santospoland
    @santospoland 4 года назад +2

    Bless you … a 2400 video! Arguably one of Apple's most splendid laptops, a truly remarkable design. Thank you for taking the time to make this short exposé. I really enjoyed this vide, thank you very much for sharing this with the community.

  • @vaalrus
    @vaalrus 4 года назад +1

    Those broken insert mouldlings look like a job for JB-weld 2-part epoxy...

  • @DEMENTO01
    @DEMENTO01 Год назад

    10:02 apple being apple even so far back lol, i have a collection of 12+ laptops (i forgot how many exactly rn i just know more than a dozen) and ive opened them all apart including screens and i think every single one of them was more complex than this (also bc the majority are from the 2000s and some even used desktop parts on laptop form factors, or the GPUs were in modules), the only thing it was harder for this one was the whole brittle plastic, the screw plastic standoffs breaking has happened to me but its very uncommon and seems that 90s powerbooks are very prone to this issue sadly

  • @donhutcheson4374
    @donhutcheson4374 10 месяцев назад +1

    I have the 2400Cc and loved it because it was so small and light. Retouched about 70 incredible hi-res photos in Photoshop (albeit slowly) for the book "A Kind of Rapture" by Robert Bergman while traveling extensively in the mid 1990s. Fit perfectly on a coach-class tray table while other laptop users were crunched up over a half-open clamshell. Every now and then I fire it up for old time's sake. Thanks for a great video.

  • @AmstradExin
    @AmstradExin 4 года назад +2

    I just overclocked my 1400c to 240Mhz. :)

  • @gwgtaylor
    @gwgtaylor 4 года назад +1

    Nice!! The 2400c was my first PowerBook. In 1999 I traded my Motorola starMax 4000 clone with dark blue Apple studio display for one. It had the 64mb memory module in it. Great machine.

  • @ast3663
    @ast3663 4 месяца назад

    Hi Collin, I'll get a 2400 in a few days comming in, but I'm not sure what kind of RAM actually is the correct one to upgrade..you mention the special 96MB, but does a standard 64MB So dimm not work ?

  • @Wacypro
    @Wacypro 4 года назад +1

    4 hours is not much for today? My Dell Inspiron gets like 2 on a good day

  • @RuinerXL
    @RuinerXL 4 года назад +2

    Fantastic video as usual, and those group photos from Japan are super cool. Great work!

  • @CustomComputing
    @CustomComputing 3 года назад

    I cannot believe that was considered good in 97…. When I think back to that time I swear we had respectable laptops by then

  • @Scoopta
    @Scoopta 3 года назад

    I feel like given the power ISA is also IBM the partnership isn't actually that weird. When I first saw the title I was like "what" but then I remembered power is IBMs ISA. Just look at the AIM alliance

  • @NikoBellicDigital
    @NikoBellicDigital Год назад

    Love your vids!
    BTW, what's the song at 4:58? I looked everywhere on Epidemic Sound for it to no avail.

  • @erwing.3902
    @erwing.3902 2 года назад

    Really nice machine! The screen looks very bright and crispy.
    But I still would prefer the Powerbook 3400/3500.
    Nice Clip, thanks!

  • @groovinhooves
    @groovinhooves 3 года назад

    Making me all natsukashii for my early times in Japan, my 2400c and my Color Classic II - and a litany of various 8xxxx/9xxxx series PowerPC beige behemoths.

  • @wcarcass
    @wcarcass Год назад

    The English keyboard could be explained by other reason… despite being a modern country there is still a certain fascination with foreign things. Many people buy Apple computers and specifically choose an English keyboard just because “it looks cool”. One of my colleagues goes to great efforts just to keep every single device he owns with an English keyboard.

  • @KabelkowyJoe
    @KabelkowyJoe Год назад

    8:00 SuperGlue? I just discovered other options special glue for "hard plastics" - melting plastic to glue it, normally tested on a car because it's intended to be used there, and it worked, recenly tested on regular home lamp made of simmilar plastic as laptop also worked it's not glueing in classic way, but rather melting plastic it's slow process takes 24h to "dry" but highly recommend. Don't know particular brand of it, it's in different apartament, glue itself wont dry unless it touches surfaca of plastic so can be tested before use and cleaned. What was the brand i cant even find now it's very old still works, think you can google.

  • @ldchappell1
    @ldchappell1 3 года назад

    I probably wouldn't even try to boot up a laptop that old. OS 9.1? I'm having bad memories of the iMac I bought in 2000. I paid $780 for it and sold it 3 years later for $35.

  • @pdahandyman
    @pdahandyman 2 года назад

    Oh, the shot of that 145b at the top fills me with nostalgia. Late Winter mid-90's. Lot's of things changed around that time. 25 years later, we're still married ;)

  • @LancerloverLL
    @LancerloverLL 2 года назад

    Shouldn‘t replacement parts be much easier to get these days? All you need is a blueprint of the part you‘re missing and a 3D printer.

  • @martinlutherkingjr.5582
    @martinlutherkingjr.5582 3 года назад

    Apple: “Replacing ram or your keyboard is a standard repair?!?! What’s this black magic we used to be capable of?!?!”

  • @adiposerex5150
    @adiposerex5150 3 года назад

    I used to think these were toys. Beginning 2004, I have purchased nothing but Apple.

  • @NiGHTSaturn
    @NiGHTSaturn 4 года назад +1

    It used to be such a beautiful thing to be able to repair your own technology. That's why I absolutely love my old computers. Apple has become a company I no longer wish to be associated with. When I switched in 2005, I never imagined what would happen afterwards. Thinner stuff isn't better. They will probably never make another laptop that's as modular as their older machines. Even their most modular computer, the Mac Pro, needs official holders for PCI cards... Which you can 3D print... haha. But its price is laughable. Great video. Loved it!

  • @SLACKPLAN9
    @SLACKPLAN9 Год назад

    I would want one of these to continue my RISC journey (Raspberry Pi; Air M2, et. al.)...

  • @80s_Gamr
    @80s_Gamr 4 года назад +1

    Due to a "a design error"... Apple's made quite a few "errors" which have caused hardware to be specifically made for their products over the years.

  • @xmaverickhunterkx
    @xmaverickhunterkx 4 года назад

    Think about it, Steve Jobs wanted Sony to use OS X and Sony said no (because the lazy fuckers didn't want to retest their machines that were already tested with Windows apparently)

  • @Rawstock92
    @Rawstock92 Год назад

    I had one of these and loved it … had to upgrade to the 3400c when a deal came up at the time; I was tired of using a portable CD-ROM 😂

  • @MisterRorschach90
    @MisterRorschach90 4 года назад +3

    I am almost positive a family member had one of these in the late 90s.

  • @namelesske
    @namelesske 4 года назад

    This refurbishment caused more damage than the actual condition was before. I hate old plastics... even my car dashboard started to turn back to oil. :(

  • @evlnte
    @evlnte 4 года назад +1

    What a treat down memory lane. I miss PCMCIA upgrade modules.

  • @baremetaltechtv
    @baremetaltechtv 3 года назад

    In this video, Since you said yellow dog and other early mac linux distros are a story for another time, can we get that video now? I'm desperate for more vintage linux content, it's so interesting

  • @florider_hd
    @florider_hd 2 года назад

    My dad had this computer! he just looked over my shoulder and just went :"watcha lookin at this thing on the phone? we have that sucker in the attic!"

  • @rickdellis_
    @rickdellis_ 2 года назад

    I just bought one of these and it’s on its way from Japan right now! I’m very excited :D

  • @SiikPros
    @SiikPros Год назад

    Came here because of "Hackers", although Acid Burns was a 2300c

  • @nenadpopovic6858
    @nenadpopovic6858 3 года назад

    Beautiful ,
    milestone Mac and a very nice video!
    I wonder, how much is worth today?

  • @thecensae
    @thecensae 4 года назад +1

    when you glue plastic next time you should try super glue and baking soda it makes a great bond and you can actually fill in gaps of plastic with it as well

  • @alistairblaire6001
    @alistairblaire6001 3 года назад

    Funny how nowadays a notebook that big would be considered a mobile workstation or a high end gaming laptop.

  • @the_trevoir
    @the_trevoir 3 года назад

    It wasn’t a programmer, it was a saint. Because you had to be a saint to deal with OS 9.1.

  • @Charadis
    @Charadis 4 года назад +1

    Great video, and very informational. The 2400c has been one of my fav vintage portables, and a topic I'm always interested in reading about. I have one of those translucent Yu-Plan keyboards on the way!

  • @adventureoflinkmk2
    @adventureoflinkmk2 4 года назад +1

    Ah yes macos or Linux or mklinux... bootcamp before it was a thing!