Remember at some point you might end up facing a Judge, explaining to the judge that you both loudly racked a round and gave verbal notice will make it clear you weren't arranging an ambush. (you should also avoid tricking out your firearms with punisher skulls and such. Don't give the judge any reason to believe you've spent your life secretly hoping for the chance to legally murder the first "dirtbag" to give you an excuse). Self defense isn't about killing bad guys, it's about keeping bad guys from killing you.
This is the best comment on the video. Bantamdude Rodriguez's comment is the most backwards and wrong. Stats show that minorities are safer from white people in all cases than whites are from minorities. The NEWS lies about it because that's what lefties do.
@@KLP99 I think you misunderstood the Bantamdude. He's not talking about crime perpetrated by minorities or whites. He's just saying minorities have a more difficult road through the legal system; if a minority pulls the trigger in self-defense, he's more likely to be charged with murder than a white dude.
@Cole Trickle Who gave you the country where you were likely accidentally born in? Or do you think you somehow earned it by typing douchey comments on the internet in all your softness boy? Grow up, you clearly couldn't even understand what your commenting about. Lol!
"Alexa, play the home invasion scene from John Wick on the nearest TV where the criminal is, along with 5 minutes alone by Pantera on the stereo and prep my pencil arsenal."
I've watched thousands of these videos...Out of all of them, I learned something new from yours...Shotguns don't have drop safeties!!!!!!!! Holy Cow!!!! You probably saved some lives...thanks, I'm now a subscriber!
Mary Smith I know right?!, I thought a red flannel would be best as it represents blood. If they see a person wearing a red shirt they know you are ready to be covered in blood, add to this by making it a flannel and you have yourself a true home defense scenario.
@Mary Smith some punk ass hillbilly sprayed me with bear spray at 3ft away and I ran his ass down dont bear spray if your weapon does not kill them it's going to piss them off
Yeah I'd agree most of the gun enthusiast community is responsible and try to educate folks. The ones that don't listen and end up doing stupid shit with guns are the issue
Out of the many dozens of shotgun videos that I've seen, this is the first to mention that shotguns can easily go off if dropped because of the lack of safety features most pistols have. Thank you for your detailed explanation. 👍🏼
Don’t load the magazine tube one round less than full capacity. It’s been proven time and time again and confirmed by engineers that springs wear out by being used. Compression and release, compression and release. There are guys that have left mags fully loaded for 10+ years and they still have full spring life.
@@rangerat4200 agreed. If you train and cycle the weapon regularly you will know when you might have to change the spring. If you put your weapon in storage for long periods of time you will have no idea what condition it is in.
Shotgun tube mags are the one exception to this urban legend because plastic shotshells can compress axially. But a much better solution is to just shoot off the magazine every year than to load down by one.
Thorough explanations. Thanks for the warning about shotguns not being drop-safe. I store mine in a closet, so I'm paying great attention to this. The Cruiser Ready status does appear to be the safest for home defense storage. Thanks again.
I agree. Lots of my friends like to bow up and talk about being tactical. I laugh. 23 years in the Army and several tours make you realize War and Home Defense are NOT the same scenarios. Letting the bad guy / intruder know they made a mistake is pretty much all you need to do in most cases. For all others, be prepared but be aware of the consequences of discharging your weapon in your home. I keep my shotgun exactly like you showed here. Is the best of safety and availability, IMHO.
I have a question, though. I understand the purpose of dropping the hammer on an empty chamber to unlock the slide.. but isn't that horrible for your firing pin?
@@rexlr695 with modern steels, the few times you dry fire it to prep for storage aren't going to be an issue. Older guns with questionable metallurgy, repeated dry firing, or a combination of the two can cause problems. Also you don't want to dry fire rimfires any more than you have to because the chance of the pin hitting the edge of the chamber is a lot more damaging.
The time a spring is under compression does not dictate how quickly it will fatigue. They fatigue by the number of cycles they are compressed and the speed at which they are compressed. The faster and more often you compress a spring, the faster it will fatigue. Sincerely, An engineer
Kamran Sadaghiani Tell that to my baseball gloves, that I would lay under the couch for days, in order to flatten them out. Hahahahaha Engineers are sooooo smart, to not have any common sense..... I guess leaving a firearm "cocked" for 20 years, won't weaken the hammer spring, or striker spring either? I call BS.
@@jamiesloan5902 - I hate to break it to you but steel acts VERY differently compared to leather. I simply hate to hear people who make blanket statements like yours without benefit of ANY education. And yes, I'm a mechanical engineer still consulting at age 71. Kamran is exactly correct and you are totally wrong. By the way, your car weights ~2 tons and yet the springs don't "flatten".
Jamie Sloan how in the fuck is this moron comparing leather to steel springs 😂😂😂. It’s amazing that the dumber people are the smarter they THINK they are. Sincerely, an architect.
It's funny how some myths never die in spite of the efforts of people who possess proven academic and career experience to disprove them. It's like some things never change. Sincerely, a historian.
Just decided to go "home defense". Found your videos the best of the many out there. Looking forward to educating myself with your videos. Your style and knowledge is spot on for me. Thanks.
Nice shirt. NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER SHOOT INTO THE DARK OR AT A TARGET THAT YOU HAVE NOT POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED. Too many morons have killed family members trying to be a hero by shooting down a dark hallway at an unknown sound.
I'm really happy to hear someone talk about wanting an intruder to leave. You get it. The goal is to give ourselves every possibility to never have to shoot anyone. It drives me nuts to hear the internet commandos sound excited about "getting to" shoot an intruder....... man, I don't like the hassle of traffic tickets or the work of cleaning up spilled pizza. I'd definitely not enjoy civil court as someone tries to sue me because " their baby was murdered" ( never mind that he had kicked in my door)...... or having to clean up my home after someone bled out on my rug and every branch of local law enforcement had walked through.
+theBarzeen , You got that right. Every bullet you let fly has a lawyer attached to it. I know only one person that has had to use his weapon in self defense. The shooting was declared justified. It still cost him $11.000 in lawyer fees. If a crazed madman is chopping through my front door with an ax, i'm grabbing my gun and cell phone and heading out the back door while calling 911. My city has a response time of around 90 seconds. If the cops shoot him, that's on their dime.
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Tyvm for this! I was just wondering about the drop safety this morning and really appreciate it. Same with the mag tube spring, I'd been wondering why anyone would want a full tube sitting for long periods. You guys rock.
Ive been an operator operating in various operations for a very long time and an operator never gives away his position to a hostile.. Racking the slide is noob city.. Operators shoot first and ask questions later.. Im currently serving 15 to life for manslaughter.. Turns out the neighbors father had alzheimers and wandered into the wrong house.
I like getting lots of credible opinions. You've given quite a bit to consider. Even though I've been keeping a shotgun for about 35 years, I'm never too old to learn.
@@waynemelton2143 That's not what I said, I said it had pass a test. You assholes want to argue about everything just to show how smart you are.. Well I have a ruger sp101 and it has a hammer bar saftey, you can drop it off a bridge, pound on it with a hammer, and it won't fail. Because it was designed that way. Your dumb ass finger on the trigger is more a safety hazzard than most mechanical safeties built on modern guns. Just keep arguing Wayne, I am sure you are smarter than the rest of us.
its been proven time and again that springs dont wear out from being compressed. they wear out from many cycles of compression and depression. its prefectly fine to keep your shotgun or any magazine loaded for extended periods of time
Service Account yea I had a m14 clip loaded for 7 years springs still very strong. I also had a .444 marlin lever action loaded for even longer springs still very strong
I don't think the old wives' tale about springs losing their strength after being compressed for a while will ever die. I've been hearing that one ever since I picked up my first rifle in 1975 and I'm still hearing it, never mind the numerous studies that have come out showing it to be false. I have a Beretta 92FS with magazines that are 27 years old, they've been loaded 24/7 for all that time and as of last week when I took the pistol to the range they're still functioning just fine.
@Avid Smoke One can't just make a general statement on either side of this argument. You could choose a spring for a magazine that will function for basically eternity without ever hitting failure, or you could choose a spring that would work for maybe 10 cycles tops. If whoever is designing the magazine does their homework, they will implement a spring that works virtually forever. The spring would always be in elastic deformation ranges and never hit plastic deformation. Cycling the spring will change the shape of the elastic deformation curve slightly, but it will eventually hit a point where cycles will not affect this curve. This is why brand new magazines always seem tighter than one that's been used, even a few times. The materials engineer who chose the spring knew it would have a "break in" period and they design the magazine to still work once the spring hits this "level off". You are correct that springs under load will eventually reorganize their structure and lose some effectiveness, but this is over extremely long times (like 30-50 years for any noticeable changes). So, these Vietnam War veterans will likely tell me what you said and they won't be lying, but not because all magazine springs do this, just theirs happened to due to poor engineering and spring choice, and likely cheap budgets at the time. Also, anyone who takes a spring and pulls it so far that when they let go it makes it longer and therefore more "springy" is actually doing inelastic deformation (permanent damage) to the spring.
Watching this vid @ 0100 and just changed shotgun to cruiser ready, thanks to your info about not being drop safe. I never really thought about that. Always had fully loaded and chambered.
it's nonsense. Modern firearms are "drop safe" This video reads like the dumbest part of gun forum threads where people rack slides to scare the home invader away, and birdshot is great for defense. Any other old wives tales they want to pass on? They don't even know how springs work.
You, sir, have earned more respect from me than a lot of the youTube cowboys. A responsible gun owner isn't looking for confrontation, they're looking to avoid confrontation. You don't keep a firearm to ambush bad guys, you keep it for safety. If your reasoning for owning a firearm is to kill bad guys, you shouldn't be a firearm owner. If your reasoning for owning a firearm is protection, up to and including using lethal force, than you should. And you need to know the difference.
FuglyStick I disagree. if you chose to come in my home uninvited to steal or do harm , or better yet for any reason you've waved your right to be treated with any type of thoughtfulness or discretion. protecting my family comes first . treating a home intruder respectfully doesn't even cross my mind. if your the kind of person who thinks you shouldn't be harmed for going into a strangers home you're a certain kind of stupid. there will be no racking of the slide, just shots fired until the threat is neutralized. now if you go out in public with this mind set , your gun owner ship should be questioned but not when it comes to my home period.
you also said gun owner do not buy guns for confrontation they are for safety. but if your in my home as a stranger you've brought the confrontation to me and you're making my home unsafe the moment you step trough the door. I believe no gun owner wants confrontation but the reason for being a gun owner is to stop the confrontation that was brought to you. your statement is contradicting.
"I believe no gun owner wants confrontation" Then you aren't very familiar with the youTube "operator" community. A distressing percentage of the community is cloaking masturbatory "justice" fantasy in the guise of "safety." They do not speak for gun owners, and are not representative of gun owners. "Protection" may lead to lethal response, but that's different than the mentality of "eliminating bad guys." The distinction isn't always clear, but it is there.
FuglyStick But if you rack your slide and yell "Who's there?" the bad guy will now be the one doing the ambushing! When an intruder is in your home in the middle of the night you don't go searching all thru your house yelling "who's there?" He will simply hide behind the couch and wait to pick you off like JFK. I any of you keyboard commandos would have ever taken a course in home/self defense you would know that.
Excellent and correct information all through. Especially good is the distinction about drop safety and keeping rounds chambered. Bedside speed safe pistol is live and and ready. Shotgun in corner behind bedroom door is cruiser ready.
One of the best explanation of how to keep weapons ready and safe, and how to handle a stressful situation like home invaders, congratulation! You are an example for all
Best video explaining proper shotgun readiness I have seen. Also love how you get right into the meat of the video. A+++. In addition to the storage condition you explained, we also placed a wrap of some paper tape around the action (fore-end and barrel.) When doing your pre-shift equipment inspection we would check the condition of the tape - if broken we would swap out the shotgun for another in our armory.
As a retired detective and a NRA home defense coach, your suggestions and ideas are spot on. Let me add one thought. Racking a round loudly for a suspect to see or hear will reduce your chances of having to fire by 80 percent. Every time I racked a round in the field the suspect stopped dead in his tracts. And yes never ever store your shotgun with a round loaded. Experience has shown that your going to rack your shotgun for peace of mind. And now your down one round but your brain believes you have four or seven rounds loaded.
I push a button and dry ice myst comes out of everywhere with dragon growling sounds and shotgun racking sounds issuing from dozens of speakers. Then a laser show starts... About ten seconds later, I come out blazing surrounded by a hall of mirrors, like in Bruce Lee's film.
My dad was a cop and lived with his partner for a while, long story short my dad was sleeping and heard something hit the tile, he ran out with his Glock and his flashlight and saw his partner standing there white as a ghost because he dropped his cuffs while taking off his belt, moral of the story is target identification is important
Going through HOME DEFENSE shotgun videos....the first on I clicked the Gentleman "strongly" advised in lengthy repetitive terms to leave the shotgun loaded with a rd in the chamber. Without any safety concerns, family concerns, and or reasoning, other than racking the weapon would alarm and give away his position. I cringed and moved on....a person must give concerns in these videos to other person's situation and needs in home defense. YOU DID A GOOD JOB.....WELL DONE.
The 870P in my patrol car is 24 years old. 17 years ago we cut the bbl of our shotguns to 14 inches and added Wilson plus one extensions and springs. They’re been loaded 24/7 with 5 rounds in the magazine for 17 years. The magazine spring still works great. If you’re worried they’re less than ten bucks. Replace them every few years. Down loading to 4 rounds is foolish. For us cruiser ready is an empty chamber with the slide locked and the safety on.
A J Sounds like they are department owned. My agency had similar setups (although I carried a personally owned Wilson Combat 870 18”). If the department did it, and they are the possessor, it would not be illegal. If he personally did it, as long as the ATF tax stamp is paid and approved, it also would be perfectly legal. Considering he said “we,” those are probably department modified and issued shotguns.
Thank you for saying this. The leaf springs under my truck haven't failed from my truck sitting on them for 14 years. All that magazine spring stuff is silly. I remember when everyone thought that about pistol and ar15 mags too.
Good information over all, with the exception of 2:00 where you advocate leaving mag tube downloaded by 1 to help spring life. Springs do not weaken from remaining under load, they weaken from being placed under load then relieved of load repeatedly. Essentially, you’re just taking a round away from yourself.
@Lucky Gunner : This is one of the FINEST RUclips channels out there... PLEASE make videos more often!! You're information is : Valid, presented is EXCELLENT HD QUALITY, informative & not so "in your face" like some firearm channels.. thank you!
Lucky Gunner Ammo great video and common sense. In the U.K, you need a license to have shotguns. Those who have licenses have to keep the guns locked away - 6 month jail sentence if they don't. So understanding the very different system in the US, I was so impressed. Too many have a round in the chamber - and don't appreciate the safety issue when dropped or knocked - particularly if you have kids. Great video. Thank you.
I love a well thought, out , rational,articulate, no bs video about home defense when it comes to guns. I'm sure all the gun cowboys hated it. Well done sir.
Absolutely good advice, folks! I'm a retired, boot tough ol' cop. I have a shot gun AT THE READY in my home. Semi-auto, 4+1, safety off, bolt unlocked, 6 extra rounds on the stock. Folks, if I need more rounds than that, I'm a dead man in a major fire fight. Trust me, for home defense, what I have is plenty. PLENTY! Note worthy: I have no kids in my home, it's my wife and I only, she shoots, too and she understands going after the bad guys is my job. I highly recommend your shotgun in the condition this RUclipsr suggests. And if you've been drinking, don't fuck with it!!!
Solid advice . Just a note , check the tube before you check the chamber , pretty easy to not notice a round chambering while making a shotgun cruiser ready, that dry fire could end up being ...not so dry..
Great video. Easy to understand As a 20+ year LEO I agree cruiser ready mode is the way to go. Racking a round into the chamber has a distinct sound and psychological effect on bad guys most of the time
I like everything you mentioned. Loaded is only for no children in house hold. Children play with things some can get thing you think are out of reach. Being unchambered cuts down on them being shot. I've since moved, but at last resident had several people try to get in, just the sound of my shot gun being loaded scared them off both times. I never had to say a word. It does work.
PRO TIP. springs only lose their spring when they are decompressed and compressed leaving load on a spring i.e loading a shotgun tube full and leaving it loaded will not weaken it ...
A list of drop-safe shotguns, especially those popular for defensive use, would be quite useful. The ability to keep a round safely chambered because the gun only fires when the trigger is pulled is a major selling point.
Another reason for cops using "cruiser ready" condition with a downloaded tube... you can quickly load 2 slugs, if you are facing barriers like windshields or doors.
Great video. Short & sweet. I've spoke to students who are cleaning out "Dad's" closet & find shotguns. A good video would be to show people how to unload, finger off trigger, safe direction, etc.
Well presented commentary and well thought through reasons for presentation material. I do suggest that a part 2 to this presentation going over the many many different rounds available to be used in a shotgun, how and why. My personal opinion there's no more versatile gun for home defense than a shotgun.
I like the combination of extra smarts and minimal "tough guy". If somebody wakes me up at 2am with the Shenanigans, I'm not going to have time to drink a Red Bull & cop an attitude. I need to know what works, and what's safe
I just aquired my first tactical ahotgun and was wondering about this. You make good sense. I had initially decided to store it with one in the pipe and safety on but I'm gonna go with your advice on this one. Good video.
I Jack my truck up off the ground every night because I don't want the springs to wear out. Keeping your shotgun loaded to full capacity is not going to wear the spring out.
I tend to keep my guns a lot longer than I do my trucks. Highly unlikely that I'm going to need more than 3 rounds. And if I do that is what the side Saddle is for.
Great video, thanks. I had been storing my shotgun with a round in the chamber, not because of the "racking the slide will give away your position" argument, but because I wanted the extra round. This has made me reconsider that line of thinking. Didn't realize shotguns could go off so easily with the safety engaged. Appreciate the advice!
Glad you found it helpful. To be fair, I wouldn't say shotguns can go off "easily," but the safety mechanism is not as fool-proof as is commonly believed. Generally, I think it's a bad idea to have any gun cocked with a loaded chamber if it's not securely locked up. And even for a gun that's stored in some kind of container, there is always a risk of inadvertently pressing the trigger or catching it on something when retrieving it. Personally, my rule is that no gun in my home is chambered unless it's in my hands, on my person, or the trigger is covered by a holster and it's locked up.
I just blast Five to One on my speakers, wait for the line “no one here gets out alive” and rack it. Then yell loudly, “WARRIORS, COME OUT AND PLAYAY!”. 😂😂
I enjoyed your video and totally agree with your philosophy. There is some truth as to why police (specialty units excepted) carry pump shotguns (audible deterrent when going into full battery), but that's the "police", not the home defender. For the home defender, that's a misapplication of purpose. That being said, I think one should give an intruder EVERY opportunity to leave before engaging in live fire (racking the shotgun, verbal challenges, throwing the cat at them, etc.) and let them know you're in your home, and you're defending it. Plus, as you stated, it prevents accidents. The goal is to protect yourself and preserve life. If a "bad guy" won't let you accomplish both of those, protecting yourself wins the debate. There's not a domestic situation that can't be resolved with the assistance of a 12 ga. shotgun. And by the way, I love that 14", Magpul dressed 870. Happy trails, tight groups and safety first.
Kentucky Justice I tend to agree.... Have your gun handy, just in case.... But light up the house somehow (nremotely somehow), stay low and out of sight, and dial the police. Let them do the house clearing and shooting. Less paper work for you, less risk.... Safer for everyone.
home defense shotgun users be advised, you may get "shell compression" if you keep the same shells loaded in the magazine tube for too a long time. They WILL become squashed down and oversized, and unable to cycle thru the action. This is especially important if you're using imported shotgun shells. In my experience the clear hulls with steel base are typically the weakest. S&B and Wolf have the softest and weakest plastic hulls of the ones I've handled
I'm new with shotguns. An I do keep my mini 12 gauges tube with 6 an chamber empty. Thank you man, learned something new an may have saved a accidental discharge!
Excellent advice, no other word for it. I would just suggest to check the mag tube first rather than the chamber for getting the shotgun in to cruiser ready condition, otherwise, in step 3 I could fire by accident if the shotgun was loaded with 1 round in the mag tube when I first take it. Thanks for your help, sharing your expertise. You are great. Greetings from Brazil.
ive read some articles stating racking the slide may cause the intruder to not only know where you are, but in, id say extreme circumstances, cause them to open fire in the direction of the sound or rush towards it, if the person is under the influence, etc. it does kind of make sense, especially depending on the size of your home, where they enter compared to where you are. im on the fence but again its just what ive read elsewhere
Completely agree. Not only are you giving away your position and subjecting yourself to fire, you're giving away the type of firearm you have, and the approximate number of rounds. I prefer fully utilizing the element of surprise, and unleashing fury on the unsuspecting intruder. The surprise element also gives you a second to identify the target before engaging, time you may not have if the intruder knows your position and is ready to fully engage you. No warnings are given out at my house. ID the target, neutralize.
Did you not listen to why that might be a bad idea? More likely than not, you are going to be shooting at somebody who lives at your house who just went up to get some water or something. You're not in a war zone. Not every un-IDed person is trying to kill you. Not every potential intruder is a highly-trained spec ops super soldier looking to murder you and your family as if you have a price on your head. Chances are, it's a dumbass who barely knows how to use a gun thinking he can make a quick buck...assuming he has a gun at all. You don't just get up from bed from hearing a noise, grab your shotgun, and then shoot at whomever might be downstairs. You're more likely going to be killing someone you don't want to than an actual intruder that way. And funny thing is, a lot of these "tacticool commandos" that have your type of mindset also tend to be the types of people who insist on a revolver for carry because "carrying 15 rounds is being paranoid; you're not in a war zone bro!"
+ShadeSlayer1911 how about this. You follow the video because he said so , and you can put your bets on the bad guy is not trained or armed. Me, I'll keep a round in the chamber ready to blow Away whoever broke into my house. Good luck!
This is why you ask them to identify themselves, if they live in or are supposed to be there they probably know you have a gun and will likely know by the tone of your voice that you believe them to possibly be an intruder. If you hear no reply this indicates the chances of it being a family member or friend are low. In low light conditions this is more critical and this is where a good flashlight can save lives, either by allowing you to identify an intruder or a family member faster so you can proceed with the appropriate action.
Our new communist governor in CT wants to make it illegal to protect your own children. He wants to make us look like the bad guy and turn the next generation against us
If you're really afraid of your children accidentally getting their hands on your gun (whigh they shouldn't if you've taught them gun safety), an rfid trigger lock is the way to go.
I have a Mossberg JIC M500CRUISER. It's a legal short barrel (18-1/2 inch and overall length 28") 12 ga shotgun with a pistol grip. As you pointed out, I do keep 1 less in the magazine. I also pulled the trigger on an empty chamber so the slide can be operated. If I didn't I have to press the slide release tab to rack the slide.
I grew up with many deer rifles and one pistol in the household in addition I knew guns can go off despite a safety engaged and internaI safeties are what keeps weapons drop safe. But I never knew shotguns were sensitive to drops. Good to know after years of having one loaded in the corner of my room within arms reach from my bedside. I always kept it leaned up un the corner to prevent it from falling. The only way it would fall is if an earthquake shook the house or someone made it fall.
I would also suggest to use mini shell (1.75") ammunition for home defense, your capacity will increase considerably and you can have 12 spare on the side saddle.
+Lucky Gunner Ammo So you cheat yourself out of two rounds? You're already losing a round with the empty chamber. I'd rather change the springs yearly, than cheat myself out of another round.
+orda woodward Changing the springs every year or two is a good alternative, but not something most shotgun owners are realistically going to do. I am not bothered by the capacity issue. I don't view the shotgun as a first line of defense... that role is for the handgun, which is almost always within arm's reach in my home. The shotgun is for "bunker defense" when there is prior warning of a threat that is potentially near but not imminent. In those cases, it's not an issue to take the extra 2 seconds to chamber and top off the shotgun. Generally, if I have time to retrieve the shotgun from where it is stored, I have time to top it off.
Lucky Gunner Ammo I have to agree, for your philosophy of use, this is a good way to store your shotgun. And as far as your average gun owner, they probably won't change their springs regularly. I personally use my shotgun as a first line of defense, and I keep it loaded with one in the chamber (8+1) And I do have spare springs for all my defensive weapons, although I don't change them yearly as I suggested before, but rather after X amount of rounds/training. Anyhow, I just found your channel, and I look forward to watching more and figuring out what your channel is all about. Thanks :)
First thing I did with with my PD shotgun was clean and polish the shit out of the mag tube and replace the stock spring with a Wolff spring and titanium follower. No more worries..its like butter. Always in cruiser ready.
Best darn advice I have seen in decades on a Home defense shotgun. All the Macho crap that floats around out there about being so tactic cool and having a round in the chamber and the nonsense of being told that racking the slide is a no no. For God sake, It takes about less than a second to rack the slide. and if anyone breaks in, they are already sounded a heck of a lot of noise from the alarm system. Over the years, and being from the South where we use shotguns for hunting all the time, There have been numerous times when a shotgun was dropped and went off. A man recently killed not long ago when the shotgun was resting on a car and fell over and discharged. YES, CRUISER READY.
Not a study, but a couple of data points. We kept a pair of 18 inch barreled Mossberg 500s loaded with full mags sitting at ready points for roughly 10 years. These two only got shot about 30 rounds each in those 10 years. Both magazine springs weakened to the point that they would not push the last shell far enough out to cycle unless the gun was pointed up. You can throw all the educated expert "facts" out that you want. I will rely on what I have experienced personally on this one. We still keep them loaded full, but will but check and replace the springs as needed.
Actually a spring looses compression when its compressed and uncompressed over and over not when it simply remains compressed. So you can leave fully loaded just fine.
Smart guy.i have a side by side 12g,i keep snaps in it to keep fire pin spring retention,so I have a couple of steps to get to ready position.I should get a pump action.
Papa Cap interestingly enough, I almost think a double barrel is better IMO. The thought of racking in the quiet of the night with an intruder inside is a no go for me. Leaving a shell chambered also seems like a no go for me. With a double barrel... seems like there wouldn’t be those problems? I don’t own a shotgun yet but I would have to go with pump only for versatility sake
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Remember at some point you might end up facing a Judge, explaining to the judge that you both loudly racked a round and gave verbal notice will make it clear you weren't arranging an ambush.
(you should also avoid tricking out your firearms with punisher skulls and such. Don't give the judge any reason to believe you've spent your life secretly hoping for the chance to legally murder the first "dirtbag" to give you an excuse).
Self defense isn't about killing bad guys, it's about keeping bad guys from killing you.
Also try not to be a minority. BC then you would have to convince them why you and your families life is worth protecting
This is the best comment on the video.
Bantamdude Rodriguez's comment is the most backwards and wrong. Stats show that minorities are safer from white people in all cases than whites are from minorities. The NEWS lies about it because that's what lefties do.
In Kansas that don't matter, you don't have to make a peep. One second bad guy is there, for the next week I'm cleaning up aids blood...
@@KLP99 I think you misunderstood the Bantamdude. He's not talking about crime perpetrated by minorities or whites. He's just saying minorities have a more difficult road through the legal system; if a minority pulls the trigger in self-defense, he's more likely to be charged with murder than a white dude.
@Cole Trickle
Who gave you the country where you were likely accidentally born in? Or do you think you somehow earned it by typing douchey comments on the internet in all your softness boy? Grow up, you clearly couldn't even understand what your commenting about. Lol!
"Alexa, play a scary shotgun slide rack sound"
Sigh... "I can't find the song scary shotgun slide rack sound." Maybe next release.
Alexa, play "Angels with Filthy Souls" clip.
"Alexa, play the youtube video Jigsaw - I Want To Play A Game"
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"Alexa, play the home invasion scene from John Wick on the nearest TV where the criminal is, along with 5 minutes alone by Pantera on the stereo and prep my pencil arsenal."
tuck234 ALEXA GET READY FOR BED!!!
I've watched thousands of these videos...Out of all of them, I learned something new from yours...Shotguns don't have drop safeties!!!!!!!! Holy Cow!!!! You probably saved some lives...thanks, I'm now a subscriber!
Never heard of anyone's shotgun going off as easy as this guy is implying...
@@thechosenone8886 true, but still good thing to know, and with firearms there should be no reason for accidents. the knowledge is power. :)
Yeah that was new to me too
Great to know
ikonik boss never saw the infamous video of the dude shooting him self in the ass eh?
I never thought the sound of a racking shotgun would scare off an intruder, but it is the universal language for "you picked the wrong house".
Got 9-11 on the phone now, cops can take a report or investigate your death. What's it gonna be ?
Now I just need: A shotgun, a house and a family to protect tho
Good luck brother.
Lol
Just get the shotgun and a nice TV and you're in the quickstart mode.
You got the order correct, good luck.
Can't go wrong with either a Mossberg 500, 590 or 590A1 or a Remington 870. Can't help you with the house and family. Sorry bud.
I keep two things next to my night stand for home defense.
1. A shotgun.
2. A blue flannel shirt.
3. Flex tape
Mary Smith
I know right?!,
I thought a red flannel would be best as it represents blood. If they see a person wearing a red shirt they know you are ready to be covered in blood, add to this by making it a flannel and you have yourself a true home defense scenario.
@Mary Smith some punk ass hillbilly sprayed me with bear spray at 3ft away and I ran his ass down dont bear spray if your weapon does not kill them it's going to piss them off
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That way the bad guy can grab your shotgun before you wake up.
the gun community on RUclips is a good responsible group
Somebody tell the YT home base in Cali that.
As a liberal I mostly agree
Yeah I'd agree most of the gun enthusiast community is responsible and try to educate folks. The ones that don't listen and end up doing stupid shit with guns are the issue
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The gun community as a whole are good responsible people. It's the people who know nothing about guns that tend to misuse them.
Out of the many dozens of shotgun videos that I've seen, this is the first to mention that shotguns can easily go off if dropped because of the lack of safety features most pistols have.
Thank you for your detailed explanation. 👍🏼
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Apparently this isn't true?
This technique is also effective when you hear family checking out your leftovers in the fridge.
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Touch my food that's the death penalty
Or the thermostat 😂
My first round is a glitter bomb
@@n1c704 don't give my wife ideas! 🤣🤣🤣
Don’t load the magazine tube one round less than full capacity. It’s been proven time and time again and confirmed by engineers that springs wear out by being used. Compression and release, compression and release. There are guys that have left mags fully loaded for 10+ years and they still have full spring life.
Hell yeah. I just don’t give a shit, springs are fairly cheap to replace. But this just made me feel a lot better
I heard the reason to do it is the plastic shell casings deform when stored, and they deform more when fully loaded
@@rangerat4200 agreed. If you train and cycle the weapon regularly you will know when you might have to change the spring. If you put your weapon in storage for long periods of time you will have no idea what condition it is in.
@@climbslc2281 that seems more realistic
Shotgun tube mags are the one exception to this urban legend because plastic shotshells can compress axially. But a much better solution is to just shoot off the magazine every year than to load down by one.
Thorough explanations. Thanks for the warning about shotguns not being drop-safe. I store mine in a closet, so I'm paying great attention to this. The Cruiser Ready status does appear to be the safest for home defense storage. Thanks again.
I agree. Lots of my friends like to bow up and talk about being tactical. I laugh. 23 years in the Army and several tours make you realize War and Home Defense are NOT the same scenarios. Letting the bad guy / intruder know they made a mistake is pretty much all you need to do in most cases. For all others, be prepared but be aware of the consequences of discharging your weapon in your home. I keep my shotgun exactly like you showed here. Is the best of safety and availability, IMHO.
I have a question, though. I understand the purpose of dropping the hammer on an empty chamber to unlock the slide.. but isn't that horrible for your firing pin?
Its also what are the odds its a kid who was trying to sneak back into their house after curfew and got the wrong house or a grand dad with alzheimers
@@rexlr695 oh goddddddd
@@rexlr695 with modern steels, the few times you dry fire it to prep for storage aren't going to be an issue. Older guns with questionable metallurgy, repeated dry firing, or a combination of the two can cause problems. Also you don't want to dry fire rimfires any more than you have to because the chance of the pin hitting the edge of the chamber is a lot more damaging.
@@jec020468 Thank you for the insight, sir.
That's such a sweet looking shotgun.
Jacked Up! What is it exactly?
@@DistrictSoundLab Remington 870 SBS
Thank you for putting practicality to the “don’t give away your position” garbage
The time a spring is under compression does not dictate how quickly it will fatigue. They fatigue by the number of cycles they are compressed and the speed at which they are compressed. The faster and more often you compress a spring, the faster it will fatigue.
Sincerely,
An engineer
Kamran Sadaghiani Tell that to my baseball gloves, that I would lay under the couch for days, in order to flatten them out. Hahahahaha Engineers are sooooo smart, to not have any common sense..... I guess leaving a firearm "cocked" for 20 years, won't weaken the hammer spring, or striker spring either? I call BS.
@@jamiesloan5902 - I hate to break it to you but steel acts VERY differently compared to leather. I simply hate to hear people who make blanket statements like yours without benefit of ANY education. And yes, I'm a mechanical engineer still consulting at age 71. Kamran is exactly correct and you are totally wrong. By the way, your car weights ~2 tons and yet the springs don't "flatten".
Jamie Sloan how in the fuck is this moron comparing leather to steel springs 😂😂😂. It’s amazing that the dumber people are the smarter they THINK they are. Sincerely, an architect.
It's funny how some myths never die in spite of the efforts of people who possess proven academic and career experience to disprove them. It's like some things never change.
Sincerely, a historian.
Reshpeck purely out of curiosity, do you mind me asking where you fall on the left - right spectrum, as a historian?
Just decided to go "home defense". Found your videos the best of the many out there. Looking forward to educating myself with your videos. Your style and knowledge is spot on for me. Thanks.
Nice shirt. NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER SHOOT INTO THE DARK OR AT A TARGET THAT YOU HAVE NOT POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED. Too many morons have killed family members trying to be a hero by shooting down a dark hallway at an unknown sound.
Its just me n the dog...and she sleeps in my room! I hear something, she growls...and I won't think twice. No warning "who's there?!" ...lol
Muzzle level flashlight'll fix that.
......or a cat for that matter....🐱
In Brazil, there is records of a lot of people dying like that...
@@2233golf2 Ok to shoot a cat just not a Dog!
I'm really happy to hear someone talk about wanting an intruder to leave. You get it. The goal is to give ourselves every possibility to never have to shoot anyone. It drives me nuts to hear the internet commandos sound excited about "getting to" shoot an intruder....... man, I don't like the hassle of traffic tickets or the work of cleaning up spilled pizza. I'd definitely not enjoy civil court as someone tries to sue me because " their baby was murdered" ( never mind that he had kicked in my door)...... or having to clean up my home after someone bled out on my rug and every branch of local law enforcement had walked through.
+theBarzeen , You got that right. Every bullet you let fly has a lawyer attached to it. I know only one person that has had to use his weapon in self defense. The shooting was declared justified. It still cost him $11.000 in lawyer fees. If a crazed madman is chopping through my front door with an ax, i'm grabbing my gun and cell phone and heading out the back door while calling 911. My city has a response time of around 90 seconds. If the cops shoot him, that's on their dime.
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theBarzeen no one wants to shoot anyone but......it IS a chance to rid our nation of one more dirtbag.
Tyvm for this! I was just wondering about the drop safety this morning and really appreciate it. Same with the mag tube spring, I'd been wondering why anyone would want a full tube sitting for long periods. You guys rock.
One of the best no nonsense professional channels on the subject matter. Always know the presentation will be clutter free. Refreshing.
The sober tone of _Forgotten Weapons_, high production values, well scripted (informative with no rambling).. I subscribe.
Praise the gun Jesus!
Refreshing. Common sense for civilians instead of tacticool garbage.
Ive been an operator operating in various operations for a very long time and an operator never gives away his position to a hostile.. Racking the slide is noob city.. Operators shoot first and ask questions later.. Im currently serving 15 to life for manslaughter.. Turns out the neighbors father had alzheimers and wandered into the wrong house.
haha, nice trolling.
Should have lived in a state with castle doctri8ne.
"An operator operating in various operations..." I don't even know what to say to that
rainmechanic you did the right thing. it could have been a terrorist. better safe than sorry.
I like getting lots of credible opinions. You've given quite a bit to consider. Even though I've been keeping a shotgun for about 35 years, I'm never too old to learn.
Well done. That is exactly how I store my Mossberg 500 Tactical.
Thank you for that word of advice with the dropping of the shotgun.
Shotguns are made to a better quality standard than this guy says. By Law they have to pass a drop test before they can be sold.
A drop safety is still a safety it’s a mechanical device that can and will fail
@@waynemelton2143 That's not what I said, I said it had pass a test. You assholes want to argue about everything just to show how smart you are.. Well I have a ruger sp101 and it has a hammer bar saftey, you can drop it off a bridge, pound on it with a hammer, and it won't fail. Because it was designed that way. Your dumb ass finger on the trigger is more a safety hazzard than most mechanical safeties built on modern guns. Just keep arguing Wayne, I am sure you are smarter than the rest of us.
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Excellent content. Was unaware of the drop danger of a loaded shotgun.
Almost any gun is dangerous if dropped with a round chambered. don't drop them!!!
Double-action cocked revolvers are So much safer! *Satire*
+Terry Reed Not true. Most not-a-shotgun guns ARE drop safe, but thanks for playing. :)
39 seconds into this vid is a great example of a shotgun failing the drop safe test ruclips.net/video/VgofpOwtpJk/видео.html
That's simply untrue most firearms are drop safe.
its been proven time and again that springs dont wear out from being compressed. they wear out from many cycles of compression and depression. its prefectly fine to keep your shotgun or any magazine loaded for extended periods of time
Service Account yea I had a m14 clip loaded for 7 years springs still very strong. I also had a .444 marlin lever action loaded for even longer springs still very strong
I don't think the old wives' tale about springs losing their strength after being compressed for a while will ever die. I've been hearing that one ever since I picked up my first rifle in 1975 and I'm still hearing it, never mind the numerous studies that have come out showing it to be false. I have a Beretta 92FS with magazines that are 27 years old, they've been loaded 24/7 for all that time and as of last week when I took the pistol to the range they're still functioning just fine.
Good to know.
@Avid Smoke no
@Avid Smoke One can't just make a general statement on either side of this argument. You could choose a spring for a magazine that will function for basically eternity without ever hitting failure, or you could choose a spring that would work for maybe 10 cycles tops.
If whoever is designing the magazine does their homework, they will implement a spring that works virtually forever. The spring would always be in elastic deformation ranges and never hit plastic deformation. Cycling the spring will change the shape of the elastic deformation curve slightly, but it will eventually hit a point where cycles will not affect this curve. This is why brand new magazines always seem tighter than one that's been used, even a few times. The materials engineer who chose the spring knew it would have a "break in" period and they design the magazine to still work once the spring hits this "level off".
You are correct that springs under load will eventually reorganize their structure and lose some effectiveness, but this is over extremely long times (like 30-50 years for any noticeable changes).
So, these Vietnam War veterans will likely tell me what you said and they won't be lying, but not because all magazine springs do this, just theirs happened to due to poor engineering and spring choice, and likely cheap budgets at the time.
Also, anyone who takes a spring and pulls it so far that when they let go it makes it longer and therefore more "springy" is actually doing inelastic deformation (permanent damage) to the spring.
How has this guy not got at least 2M subscribers with his calm, practical and no nonsense advice which he gives away for free?
Watching this vid @ 0100 and just changed shotgun to cruiser ready, thanks to your info about not being drop safe. I never really thought about that. Always had fully loaded and chambered.
it's nonsense. Modern firearms are "drop safe" This video reads like the dumbest part of gun forum threads where people rack slides to scare the home invader away, and birdshot is great for defense. Any other old wives tales they want to pass on? They don't even know how springs work.
You, sir, have earned more respect from me than a lot of the youTube cowboys. A responsible gun owner isn't looking for confrontation, they're looking to avoid confrontation. You don't keep a firearm to ambush bad guys, you keep it for safety. If your reasoning for owning a firearm is to kill bad guys, you shouldn't be a firearm owner. If your reasoning for owning a firearm is protection, up to and including using lethal force, than you should. And you need to know the difference.
FuglyStick I disagree. if you chose to come in my home uninvited to steal or do harm , or better yet for any reason you've waved your right to be treated with any type of thoughtfulness or discretion. protecting my family comes first . treating a home intruder respectfully doesn't even cross my mind. if your the kind of person who thinks you shouldn't be harmed for going into a strangers home you're a certain kind of stupid. there will be no racking of the slide, just shots fired until the threat is neutralized. now if you go out in public with this mind set , your gun owner ship should be questioned but not when it comes to my home period.
you also said gun owner do not buy guns for confrontation they are for safety. but if your in my home as a stranger you've brought the confrontation to me and you're making my home unsafe the moment you step trough the door. I believe no gun owner wants confrontation but the reason for being a gun owner is to stop the confrontation that was brought to you. your statement is contradicting.
"I believe no gun owner wants confrontation"
Then you aren't very familiar with the youTube "operator" community. A distressing percentage of the community is cloaking masturbatory "justice" fantasy in the guise of "safety." They do not speak for gun owners, and are not representative of gun owners. "Protection" may lead to lethal response, but that's different than the mentality of "eliminating bad guys." The distinction isn't always clear, but it is there.
FuglyStick
But if you rack your slide and yell "Who's there?"
the bad guy will now be the one doing the ambushing!
When an intruder is in your home in the middle of the night you don't go searching all thru your house yelling "who's there?" He will simply hide behind the couch and wait to pick you off like JFK.
I any of you keyboard commandos would have ever taken a course in home/self defense you would know that.
Aaaand the replies here are why family members get shot. Five bucks you'll also shoot a retreating intruder and get hit with a murder charge
Excellent and correct information all through. Especially good is the distinction about drop safety and keeping rounds chambered. Bedside speed safe pistol is live and and ready. Shotgun in corner behind bedroom door is cruiser ready.
I appreciate the good quality and simple approach you take in theses videos
One of the best explanation of how to keep weapons ready and safe, and how to handle a stressful situation like home invaders, congratulation!
You are an example for all
I was a LEO years ago. Yes, someone pissed their pants when a round was racked.
Best video explaining proper shotgun readiness I have seen. Also love how you get right into the meat of the video. A+++. In addition to the storage condition you explained, we also placed a wrap of some paper tape around the action (fore-end and barrel.) When doing your pre-shift equipment inspection we would check the condition of the tape - if broken we would swap out the shotgun for another in our armory.
As a retired detective and a NRA home defense coach, your suggestions and ideas are spot on. Let me add one thought. Racking a round loudly for a suspect to see or hear will reduce your chances of having to fire by 80 percent. Every time I racked a round in the field the suspect stopped dead in his tracts. And yes never ever store your shotgun with a round loaded. Experience has shown that your going to rack your shotgun for peace of mind. And now your down one round but your brain believes you have four or seven rounds loaded.
I push a button and dry ice myst comes out of everywhere with dragon growling sounds and shotgun racking sounds issuing from dozens of speakers. Then a laser show starts... About ten seconds later, I come out blazing surrounded by a hall of mirrors, like in Bruce Lee's film.
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Player Review All these ideas are so much better than my aliens with acid for blood..... I am totally annoyed with getting my arm chewed off....
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LMAO!!! Thanks for the chuckle!
My dad was a cop and lived with his partner for a while, long story short my dad was sleeping and heard something hit the tile, he ran out with his Glock and his flashlight and saw his partner standing there white as a ghost because he dropped his cuffs while taking off his belt, moral of the story is target identification is important
Going through HOME DEFENSE shotgun videos....the first on I clicked the Gentleman "strongly" advised in lengthy repetitive terms to leave the shotgun loaded with a rd in the chamber. Without any safety concerns, family concerns, and or reasoning, other than racking the weapon would alarm and give away his position.
I cringed and moved on....a person must give concerns in these videos to other person's situation and needs in home defense. YOU DID A GOOD JOB.....WELL DONE.
Chris, you always present information in a balanced and reasonable way...and are a great source for ammunition as well.
The 870P in my patrol car is 24 years old. 17 years ago we cut the bbl of our shotguns to 14 inches and added Wilson plus one extensions and springs. They’re been loaded 24/7 with 5 rounds in the magazine for 17 years. The magazine spring still works great. If you’re worried they’re less than ten bucks. Replace them every few years. Down loading to 4 rounds is foolish. For us cruiser ready is an empty chamber with the slide locked and the safety on.
So you created an illegal short barrel shotgun?
A J Sounds like they are department owned. My agency had similar setups (although I carried a personally owned Wilson Combat 870 18”). If the department did it, and they are the possessor, it would not be illegal. If he personally did it, as long as the ATF tax stamp is paid and approved, it also would be perfectly legal. Considering he said “we,” those are probably department modified and issued shotguns.
Who cares other than the power hungry and amendment destroying government?
and also, things are only illegal because the government either cant tax it or they want control.
Thank you for saying this. The leaf springs under my truck haven't failed from my truck sitting on them for 14 years. All that magazine spring stuff is silly. I remember when everyone thought that about pistol and ar15 mags too.
Springs weaken when going through the process of compression and decompression, not being left compressed. Great video
Good information over all, with the exception of 2:00 where you advocate leaving mag tube downloaded by 1 to help spring life.
Springs do not weaken from remaining under load, they weaken from being placed under load then relieved of load repeatedly.
Essentially, you’re just taking a round away from yourself.
actually...... its not for spring life, its for shell life.... last thing you want is a shell to NOT rack properly...
Great video. Love your reasoning vis-a-vis "shotgun noise."
@Lucky Gunner : This is one of the FINEST RUclips channels out there... PLEASE make videos more often!! You're information is : Valid, presented is EXCELLENT HD QUALITY, informative & not so "in your face" like some firearm channels.. thank you!
Thanks, Jim! One video a week is about as much as I can handle right now.
Lucky Gunner Ammo great video and common sense. In the U.K, you need a license to have shotguns. Those who have licenses have to keep the guns locked away - 6 month jail sentence if they don't. So understanding the very different system in the US, I was so impressed. Too many have a round in the chamber - and don't appreciate the safety issue when dropped or knocked - particularly if you have kids. Great video. Thank you.
I love a well thought, out , rational,articulate, no bs video about home defense when it comes to guns. I'm sure all the gun cowboys hated it. Well done sir.
Absolutely good advice, folks! I'm a retired, boot tough ol' cop. I have a shot gun AT THE READY in my home. Semi-auto, 4+1, safety off, bolt unlocked, 6 extra rounds on the stock. Folks, if I need more rounds than that, I'm a dead man in a major fire fight. Trust me, for home defense, what I have is plenty. PLENTY! Note worthy: I have no kids in my home, it's my wife and I only, she shoots, too and she understands going after the bad guys is my job. I highly recommend your shotgun in the condition this RUclipsr suggests. And if you've been drinking, don't fuck with it!!!
Solid advice . Just a note , check the tube before you check the chamber , pretty easy to not notice a round chambering while making a shotgun cruiser ready, that dry fire could end up being ...not so dry..
Always want to make sure the gun is completely clear. Luckily shotguns make it easier as you see everything when the action is open.
When he cocked that thing I wanted to run out of my own house😂
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Love the channel !👍🏻 you don't try to be tacticool.
I can listen to your instructions all day long. Keep the good work going. New subscriber.
Great video. Easy to understand
As a 20+ year LEO I agree cruiser ready mode is the way to go.
Racking a round into the chamber has a distinct sound and psychological effect on bad guys most of the time
I like everything you mentioned. Loaded is only for no children in house hold. Children play with things some can get thing you think are out of reach. Being unchambered cuts down on them being shot. I've since moved, but at last resident had several people try to get in, just the sound of my shot gun being loaded scared them off both times. I never had to say a word. It does work.
I personally always have stored cruiser ready by default. Great information on the mag spring wear and drop safety issue. Thank you.
As soon as I saw that cool ass looking shotgun I didnt give a damn what he was saying lol
Seriously, that is a damn sexy shotgun.
+lucasjasondl Enjoy: ruclips.net/video/0jXqMDk4E0s/видео.html
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Man, I wish didn't have to have a stamp to have a short barrel like this. It's so fucking cool.
Indeed!!
Great info and video! My current home defense shotgun is the Mossberg Maverick 88 pump action. Stored basically the same.
Holy crap. We found the one gun owner on RUclips that is truly a responsible guy.
PRO TIP. springs only lose their spring when they are decompressed and compressed leaving load on a spring i.e loading a shotgun tube full and leaving it loaded will not weaken it ...
Intruder: *Breaks in*
Me: “Alexa, play ‘fortunate son’”
A list of drop-safe shotguns, especially those popular for defensive use, would be quite useful. The ability to keep a round safely chambered because the gun only fires when the trigger is pulled is a major selling point.
Another reason for cops using "cruiser ready" condition with a downloaded tube... you can quickly load 2 slugs, if you are facing barriers like windshields or doors.
Thought this would be about actually storing it like on a shelf or leaning in a corner or the best way to store it with young kids in the house.
You wanna issue a verbal challenge, i would go like: " you can run out of my house now, or i can call an ambulance to pick you up."
Lol I like that haha
You can leave vertical or you can leave horizontal, It's entirely up to you.
You could change ambulance with meat wagon for more effect.
I prefer " IM GONNA BLOW YOUR FUCIN HEAD OFF" I can't say for sure it works every time but I know it worked once.
If you don't want the cops scraping your brains off of my wall, I suggest you turn back now.
Great video. Short & sweet. I've spoke to students who are cleaning out "Dad's" closet & find shotguns. A good video would be to show people how to unload, finger off trigger, safe direction, etc.
Great advice for someone considering a home defense weapon. Thank you.
Rack that round in and hopefully that intruder says "heelllllll naw to da naw naw naaww" and leaves lol
Your suggestion makes sense- just the sound of racking the slide is often “enough”.
Educational, didn't know shotguns more vulnerable to drop discharge! Thank you!
Well presented commentary and well thought through reasons for presentation material.
I do suggest that a part 2 to this presentation going over the many many different rounds available to be used in a shotgun, how and why.
My personal opinion there's no more versatile gun for home defense than a shotgun.
Thanks for the advice. I went up to my closet and set mine up like you recommended.
The perfect RUclips video, explaining something simply, effectively, and that’s it.. Earned a sub from me
I like the combination of extra smarts and minimal "tough guy". If somebody wakes me up at 2am with the Shenanigans, I'm not going to have time to drink a Red Bull & cop an attitude. I need to know what works, and what's safe
Excellent, rational, and practical points. Perfect for basing my decisions on. Thx!
I just aquired my first tactical ahotgun and was wondering about this. You make good sense. I had initially decided to store it with one in the pipe and safety on but I'm gonna go with your advice on this one. Good video.
Have you considered that you could rack the slide 1/4 the way back so you could keep it drop safe but it can hold an extra round
Top notch video sir. Please keep putting out content of this quality.
GREAT advise ... give warning . I would hate cleaning Blood and Guts up off of the floor , ceiling and walls.
Excellent. If anyone ever says "I'm very careful and would never drop it" ask them have you ever dropped your cell phone?
I Jack my truck up off the ground every night because I don't want the springs to wear out. Keeping your shotgun loaded to full capacity is not going to wear the spring out.
😂 that has to be a joke
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I tend to keep my guns a lot longer than I do my trucks. Highly unlikely that I'm going to need more than 3 rounds. And if I do that is what the side Saddle is for.
This comment went over so many peoples heads. I agree with your comment.
I know.
Great video, thanks. I had been storing my shotgun with a round in the chamber, not because of the "racking the slide will give away your position" argument, but because I wanted the extra round. This has made me reconsider that line of thinking. Didn't realize shotguns could go off so easily with the safety engaged. Appreciate the advice!
Glad you found it helpful. To be fair, I wouldn't say shotguns can go off "easily," but the safety mechanism is not as fool-proof as is commonly believed. Generally, I think it's a bad idea to have any gun cocked with a loaded chamber if it's not securely locked up. And even for a gun that's stored in some kind of container, there is always a risk of inadvertently pressing the trigger or catching it on something when retrieving it. Personally, my rule is that no gun in my home is chambered unless it's in my hands, on my person, or the trigger is covered by a holster and it's locked up.
I just blast Five to One on my speakers, wait for the line “no one here gets out alive” and rack it. Then yell loudly, “WARRIORS, COME OUT AND PLAYAY!”. 😂😂
good advice, safety first
I enjoyed your video and totally agree with your philosophy. There is some truth as to why police (specialty units excepted) carry pump shotguns (audible deterrent when going into full battery), but that's the "police", not the home defender. For the home defender, that's a misapplication of purpose. That being said, I think one should give an intruder EVERY opportunity to leave before engaging in live fire (racking the shotgun, verbal challenges, throwing the cat at them, etc.) and let them know you're in your home, and you're defending it. Plus, as you stated, it prevents accidents. The goal is to protect yourself and preserve life. If a "bad guy" won't let you accomplish both of those, protecting yourself wins the debate. There's not a domestic situation that can't be resolved with the assistance of a 12 ga. shotgun. And by the way, I love that 14", Magpul dressed 870. Happy trails, tight groups and safety first.
Oh no...not the cat!!! lol
Yep... the cat. My dog is very old and sleeps heavily. A great pet, but totally useless. :)
+Kentucky Justice Would be better to throw a pet shark or mountain lion if you had one....:)
Kentucky Justice I tend to agree.... Have your gun handy, just in case.... But light up the house somehow (nremotely somehow), stay low and out of sight, and dial the police. Let them do the house clearing and shooting. Less paper work for you, less risk.... Safer for everyone.
home defense shotgun users be advised, you may get "shell compression" if you keep the same shells loaded in the magazine tube for too a long time. They WILL become squashed down and oversized, and unable to cycle thru the action. This is especially important if you're using imported shotgun shells. In my experience the clear hulls with steel base are typically the weakest. S&B and Wolf have the softest and weakest plastic hulls of the ones I've handled
I'm new with shotguns. An I do keep my mini 12 gauges tube with 6 an chamber empty. Thank you man, learned something new an may have saved a accidental discharge!
Excellent advice, no other word for it.
I would just suggest to check the mag tube first rather than the chamber for getting the shotgun in to cruiser ready condition, otherwise, in step 3 I could fire by accident if the shotgun was loaded with 1 round in the mag tube when I first take it.
Thanks for your help, sharing your expertise. You are great. Greetings from Brazil.
ive read some articles stating racking the slide may cause the intruder to not only know where you are, but in, id say extreme circumstances, cause them to open fire in the direction of the sound or rush towards it, if the person is under the influence, etc. it does kind of make sense, especially depending on the size of your home, where they enter compared to where you are. im on the fence but again its just what ive read elsewhere
Completely agree. Not only are you giving away your position and subjecting yourself to fire, you're giving away the type of firearm you have, and the approximate number of rounds. I prefer fully utilizing the element of surprise, and unleashing fury on the unsuspecting intruder. The surprise element also gives you a second to identify the target before engaging, time you may not have if the intruder knows your position and is ready to fully engage you. No warnings are given out at my house. ID the target, neutralize.
Did you not listen to why that might be a bad idea? More likely than not, you are going to be shooting at somebody who lives at your house who just went up to get some water or something. You're not in a war zone. Not every un-IDed person is trying to kill you. Not every potential intruder is a highly-trained spec ops super soldier looking to murder you and your family as if you have a price on your head. Chances are, it's a dumbass who barely knows how to use a gun thinking he can make a quick buck...assuming he has a gun at all.
You don't just get up from bed from hearing a noise, grab your shotgun, and then shoot at whomever might be downstairs. You're more likely going to be killing someone you don't want to than an actual intruder that way.
And funny thing is, a lot of these "tacticool commandos" that have your type of mindset also tend to be the types of people who insist on a revolver for carry because "carrying 15 rounds is being paranoid; you're not in a war zone bro!"
ShadeSlayer1911 excellent point
+ShadeSlayer1911 how about this. You follow the video because he said so , and you can put your bets on the bad guy is not trained or armed. Me, I'll keep a round in the chamber ready to blow Away whoever broke into my house. Good luck!
This is why you ask them to identify themselves, if they live in or are supposed to be there they probably know you have a gun and will likely know by the tone of your voice that you believe them to possibly be an intruder. If you hear no reply this indicates the chances of it being a family member or friend are low. In low light conditions this is more critical and this is where a good flashlight can save lives, either by allowing you to identify an intruder or a family member faster so you can proceed with the appropriate action.
when one has children in the house?
game changer.
worth the 1 or maybe 2 seconds to be ready.
Our new communist governor in CT wants to make it illegal to protect your own children.
He wants to make us look like the bad guy and turn the next generation against us
@@jcrowley1985 no it doesn't.
If you're really afraid of your children accidentally getting their hands on your gun (whigh they shouldn't if you've taught them gun safety), an rfid trigger lock is the way to go.
@@banjobill8420 RFID chips fail regularly. They are garbage
One or two seconds to rack a shotgun... Hope he's been practicing in the last two years, get that time down a bit.
I have a Mossberg JIC M500CRUISER. It's a legal short barrel (18-1/2 inch and overall length 28") 12 ga shotgun with a pistol grip. As you pointed out, I do keep 1 less in the magazine. I also pulled the trigger on an empty chamber so the slide can be operated. If I didn't I have to press the slide release tab to rack the slide.
I grew up with many deer rifles and one pistol in the household in addition I knew guns can go off despite a safety engaged and internaI safeties are what keeps weapons drop safe. But I never knew shotguns were sensitive to drops. Good to know after years of having one loaded in the corner of my room within arms reach from my bedside. I always kept it leaned up un the corner to prevent it from falling. The only way it would fall is if an earthquake shook the house or someone made it fall.
I would also suggest to use mini shell (1.75") ammunition for home defense, your capacity will increase considerably and you can have 12 spare on the side saddle.
Great idea.
Springs are weakened by repeated cycles of compression and decompression, not by sitting compressed for long periods of time.
+The Real Hawkeye II That's a good rule of thumb but not always 100% applicable.
+Lucky Gunner Ammo
So you cheat yourself out of two rounds?
You're already losing a round with the empty chamber.
I'd rather change the springs yearly, than cheat myself out of another round.
+orda woodward Changing the springs every year or two is a good alternative, but not something most shotgun owners are realistically going to do. I am not bothered by the capacity issue. I don't view the shotgun as a first line of defense... that role is for the handgun, which is almost always within arm's reach in my home. The shotgun is for "bunker defense" when there is prior warning of a threat that is potentially near but not imminent. In those cases, it's not an issue to take the extra 2 seconds to chamber and top off the shotgun. Generally, if I have time to retrieve the shotgun from where it is stored, I have time to top it off.
Lucky Gunner Ammo I have to agree, for your philosophy of use, this is a good way to store your shotgun. And as far as your average gun owner, they probably won't change their springs regularly.
I personally use my shotgun as a first line of defense, and I keep it loaded with one in the chamber (8+1) And I do have spare springs for all my defensive weapons, although I don't change them yearly as I suggested before, but rather after X amount of rounds/training.
Anyhow, I just found your channel, and I look forward to watching more and figuring out what your channel is all about. Thanks :)
Great info. This has helped me to store my SG in "cruiser-ready" mode. Thanks!
Thanks for the solid info. This confirmed a lot of what I already practice with our home defense shotgun. Will pass the info on to others. 😊👍
If a shotgun spring wears out just from being loaded to full capacity, maybe it's a badly designed or poorly made cheap shotgun?
Crap from China. Winchester tells me to leave it loaded. It will work.
Nope. It’s just simple physics of how springs work 👍🏻
Nate Davis Springs wear out due to use, not being compressed for long periods of time.
Marine1775Preacher1611 American1776 Simper Fi 😉
First thing I did with with my PD shotgun was clean and polish the shit out of the mag tube and replace the stock spring with a Wolff spring and titanium follower. No more worries..its like butter. Always in cruiser ready.
Taking safety off and firing as opposed to racking and firing, I'll take first option. Especially if someone is already in the house.
brian wilkins BOOM!!!
Best darn advice I have seen in decades on a Home defense shotgun. All the Macho crap that floats around out there about being so tactic cool and having a round in the chamber and the nonsense of being told that racking the slide is a no no. For God sake, It takes about less than a second to rack the slide. and if anyone breaks in, they are already sounded a heck of a lot of noise from the alarm system. Over the years, and being from the South where we use shotguns for hunting all the time, There have been numerous times when a shotgun was dropped and went off. A man recently killed not long ago when the shotgun was resting on a car and fell over and discharged. YES, CRUISER READY.
Not a study, but a couple of data points. We kept a pair of 18 inch barreled Mossberg 500s loaded with full mags sitting at ready points for roughly 10 years. These two only got shot about 30 rounds each in those 10 years. Both magazine springs weakened to the point that they would not push the last shell far enough out to cycle unless the gun was pointed up. You can throw all the educated expert "facts" out that you want. I will rely on what I have experienced personally on this one. We still keep them loaded full, but will but check and replace the springs as needed.
Just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.
RIP Kenny.
Yeah, yeah,oh yeah.
Actually a spring looses compression when its compressed and uncompressed over and over not when it simply remains compressed. So you can leave fully loaded just fine.
I hope you're right about that. Would like to see confirmation.
hmmm
I have three Mossbergs fully loaded including an 88 in truck. Your point is valid. Thanks
Smart guy.i have a side by side 12g,i keep snaps in it to keep fire pin spring retention,so I have a couple of steps to get to ready position.I should get a pump action.
Papa Cap interestingly enough, I almost think a double barrel is better IMO. The thought of racking in the quiet of the night with an intruder inside is a no go for me. Leaving a shell chambered also seems like a no go for me. With a double barrel... seems like there wouldn’t be those problems? I don’t own a shotgun yet but I would have to go with pump only for versatility sake