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  • @NameExplain
    @NameExplain  11 месяцев назад +83

    What's your favourite name for this symbol?

    • @majman446
      @majman446 11 месяцев назад +14

      I call this the hashtag normally but sharp when it comes to music. I mean, I wouldn't write a piece in A hashtag.

    • @CharlotteClaydon-ux6gm
      @CharlotteClaydon-ux6gm 11 месяцев назад +8

      In British medical short hand it means fracture. I don’t know how it came to mean this, but goes back to at least the 70’s. So #NOF = fractured neck of femur ( broken hip)

    • @SI0ter
      @SI0ter 11 месяцев назад +5

      i call it Raute or Doppelkreuz.
      yes German has other names and not as much as English

    • @pedromenchik1961
      @pedromenchik1961 11 месяцев назад +5

      I grew up calling it "jogo da velha", which roughly translates to tic-tac-toe

    • @FoggyD
      @FoggyD 11 месяцев назад +2

      Blank noughts & crosses board!

  • @Imagino1234
    @Imagino1234 11 месяцев назад +583

    To me, the symbol changes names depending on context. For example,
    -If it's on a telephone, it's a pound sign.
    -If it's used in a numerical list, it's shorthand for "number."
    -If it's used before a word or phrase, it's a hashtag.
    -If it's used after a letter, it's pronounced "sharp" (whether it be music notation or in names for programming languages).

    • @pauljackson3491
      @pauljackson3491 11 месяцев назад +15

      If I see a piece with a name 'hashtag a' then I won't be playing in 'a sharp' but in 'a' but I will also see a list of other music in the 'key of a.'

    • @lesterstone8595
      @lesterstone8595 11 месяцев назад +3

      That sounds reasonable.

    • @LouisStreet
      @LouisStreet 11 месяцев назад +7

      Incorrect. Those having worked in the telecom industry know that this is an octothorpe on a telephone keypad.

    • @gordonchao3074
      @gordonchao3074 11 месяцев назад +23

      And if it's in a Chinese sentence, it's not #, it is the Chinese character 井

    • @RohitKulan
      @RohitKulan 11 месяцев назад +21

      It represents checkmate in chess notation.
      (e.g. "Nxf7#")

  • @FatCatFanatic
    @FatCatFanatic 11 месяцев назад +209

    Re: calling # the 'hex': In the 80's a specific use case of the # sign as the "number sign" in early coding was as a prefix to a number in hexadecimal rather than decimal. When read aloud, the # would be read as "Hex" to indicate the same thing.

    • @mikefirth9654
      @mikefirth9654 11 месяцев назад

      I was using assembly language and machine code on the 6502 processor starting in the mid 70s before I got an Apple ][ computer which used this processor. I was reading 8080 code before that, and both used # as hexadecimal. Its digits are 0123456789ABCDEF so 16 bits would store 4 digits 0000 to FFFF

    • @trevorclinton2573
      @trevorclinton2573 11 месяцев назад +23

      #00CC00 is a color hex number that uses #

    • @revinhatol
      @revinhatol 11 месяцев назад +1

      We Filipinos call it the "hash".

    • @fnjesusfreak
      @fnjesusfreak 11 месяцев назад +15

      That can get hairy; I've seen $, & and &H all used to mark hex numbers, as well as C's 0x.

    • @Redhotsmasher
      @Redhotsmasher 11 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@fnjesusfreakTrue, different programming languages (and even different assemblers) use different notation.

  • @kevinmartin7760
    @kevinmartin7760 11 месяцев назад +330

    I always find calling it a "hashtag" to be annoying. The hashtag is the combined construct of '#' and a word; it is a word specially marked as a keyword for tagging whatever contains it. It is a tag marked with a hash, hence hashtag. But once you call the '#' itself a "hashtag" you end up with the apparently recursive definition that a hashtag (the marker) is a hashtag (the symbol) followed by a keyword.

    • @WilliamLindblom
      @WilliamLindblom 11 месяцев назад +39

      I wanted to comment this exact thing as well. I hoped it would be brought up in the video. It can't be hashtag without the tag part of it. The # is still a hash sign even if it's used in a hashtag. I think this misnomer of calling the sign a hashtag comes from the way you pronounce a hashtag.

    • @usernametaken017
      @usernametaken017 11 месяцев назад +15

      hashtagtag
      a hashtag tags tags making hashtagtags
      yeah I can live with that

    • @guywithinterwebs
      @guywithinterwebs 11 месяцев назад +36

      Correct. In the context of a hash tag, # is a hash and #hashtag is a hash tag. A hash tag is the symbol plus the word. Not the symbol itself.

    • @trien30
      @trien30 11 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@WilliamLindblomno thanks to Twitter popularizing that term, "hashtag." I thought it was a hash brown with a tag/tail piece, no?!

    • @flamencoprof
      @flamencoprof 11 месяцев назад +4

      I couldn't agree more.

  • @johnpaulcolthrust8207
    @johnpaulcolthrust8207 11 месяцев назад +114

    At about 3 years old, my daughter started to call it “cartoon bruise”.

    • @youhatennnnnnnnnndrink
      @youhatennnnnnnnnndrink 10 месяцев назад

      You aint even hit puberty yet wdym a daughter😭😭

    • @mattslaboratory5996
      @mattslaboratory5996 10 месяцев назад +1

      Archie's temple. Definitely.

    • @Just_A_Banana
      @Just_A_Banana 10 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@youhatennnnnnnnnndrink what is bro yapping about 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @NoviTall
    @NoviTall 11 месяцев назад +84

    one German name for this sign is "Doppelkreuz" (double-cross) wich is also quite fitting and as literal as almost all other German words.

    • @Humanrebel
      @Humanrebel 11 месяцев назад +7

      I have heard somebody call it "Lattenzaun" because it seems to resemble the look of a picket fence.

    • @marvelfan3148
      @marvelfan3148 11 месяцев назад +3

      Love the sound of both of these

    • @tovarishchfeixiao
      @tovarishchfeixiao 11 месяцев назад +3

      We do a similar thing in Hungarian but our word for it is "kettős kereszt" (dual cross).

    • @andreasl132
      @andreasl132 11 месяцев назад +1

      Doppelkreuz souds very confusing to musicians, because there is a symbol in music called Doppelkreuz (Double Sharp) and looks like 𝄪 just like a x and means the same as two sharps. and the single sharp (Kreuz) ♯ looks like the Hashtag.

    • @IndyJaner
      @IndyJaner 11 месяцев назад

      It’s called „Raute“(rhombus) in telephone tech.

  • @binarycat1237
    @binarycat1237 11 месяцев назад +195

    "we actually know who invented it ... already used for smaller groups"
    so he didn't invent it, he just popularized it.

    • @lythd
      @lythd 11 месяцев назад +12

      yeah i caught that too lol

    • @garyperkins3304
      @garyperkins3304 11 месяцев назад +23

      Yep, it was used on Internet Relay Chat to identify chat channels starting in the early 90s. Not sure if it was used as a social identifier anywhere earlier than that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

    • @blu3260
      @blu3260 11 месяцев назад +3

      Invented the specific usage*

    • @Wendy_O._Koopa
      @Wendy_O._Koopa 11 месяцев назад +8

      "Invented" in the same sense that Columbus "discovered" the Americas.

    • @billjensen3008
      @billjensen3008 11 месяцев назад +3

      It was also used as linking to parts of pages in HTML syntax

  • @baystated
    @baystated 11 месяцев назад +77

    The telephone instruction voice person taught my USA generation to press the "pound sign".

    • @jnawk83
      @jnawk83 11 месяцев назад +3

      And in my English speaking, not-USA country the telephone always called it "hash". It always irked me as a child/teenager the way the yanks always called it "pound". (It kinda still does, but these days I realise how unreasonable that feeling really is)

    • @apricity69
      @apricity69 10 месяцев назад

      His name is Mr. Pound and every evening he takes Mrs. Pound home to Poundtown. #Poundtown

    • @bopete3204
      @bopete3204 10 месяцев назад +1

      In Canada it was also referred to as pound in automated telephone menus.

    • @indigomizumi
      @indigomizumi 10 месяцев назад

      I'm Canadian and it's also called "pound" when used on the phone.

    • @brunnomenxa
      @brunnomenxa 3 месяца назад +1

      Telephone companies in my country usually call this symbol "tic tac toe", "square" or "hashtag".
      I'm surprised no one said "tic tac toe" yet.

  • @lp-xl9ld
    @lp-xl9ld 11 месяцев назад +70

    I'm a musician (not professionally) so to me it's "sharp". But in my profession it's used to mean "quantity" so I should call it "number".

    • @TheModicaLiszt
      @TheModicaLiszt 11 месяцев назад +8

      It isn’t a sharp, a sharp sign has two strictly vertical lines and two diagonal horizontal lines, whereas the octothorpe is the other way around.

    • @MattMcIrvin
      @MattMcIrvin 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@TheModicaLiszt But that association led to the language name C# pronounced "C-sharp" nevertheless.
      In unicode, they are definitely different code points: U+0023 "NUMBER SIGN" and U+266F "MUSIC SHARP SIGN".

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 11 месяцев назад

      @@MattMcIrvin Fun "fact": C# is secretly C++. Take C++, make the two plus signs diagonally adjacent, extend the lines until they cross, and it becomes C#.

    • @WacKEDmaN
      @WacKEDmaN 11 месяцев назад

      @@vibaj16 wouldnt that be C++++ ? :P

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 11 месяцев назад

      @@WacKEDmaN no, still only two plusses

  • @callabeth258
    @callabeth258 11 месяцев назад +47

    As a millennial Australian I’ve always known it as hash, in my experience a lot of message banks on phones say “to end your message press the hash key or just hang up”

    • @Mikelaxo
      @Mikelaxo 11 месяцев назад +6

      Here in america they say "press the pound key"

    • @_big_man_69_
      @_big_man_69_ 11 месяцев назад +2

      2nd this. It's been called hash since forever.

  • @rabitec.
    @rabitec. 11 месяцев назад +64

    I'm German and I always have known of this symbol as a "Raute"

    • @haukenot3345
      @haukenot3345 11 месяцев назад +14

      For the non-German speakers: That's rhombus in English, probably based on the shape in the middle of the symbol.

    • @lowenzahn3976
      @lowenzahn3976 11 месяцев назад +3

      I know it as "Lattenzaun" (picket fence).

    • @PatPremium
      @PatPremium 11 месяцев назад +1

      Doppelkreuz

    • @lowlevelcodingch
      @lowlevelcodingch 9 месяцев назад

      Same

  • @sohopedeco
    @sohopedeco 11 месяцев назад +48

    In Brazil, before the rise of Twitter, the most common name for the telephone # key certainly was "jogo-da-velha". Jogo da velha is the Brazilian Portuguese name for tic-tac-toe, but literaly translates to "old woman's game".
    I guess that key was pretty much only seen in telephones and # has never had a wide spread use with the meaning of "number" in the Portuguese language.

    • @JPWack
      @JPWack 10 месяцев назад +1

      Here in Chile it's sometimes called "gato" for the same game

  • @Bloobz
    @Bloobz 11 месяцев назад +34

    Before social media, there was IRC and # was used for the channels

    • @mifffalden9225
      @mifffalden9225 11 месяцев назад +4

      I always assumed that the IRC channel use is what led to its use for hashtags. (@ mentions being another IRC convention)

    • @NightmareRex6
      @NightmareRex6 11 месяцев назад

      i also heard it was used for directorys on the web? like #google or #search engine ti make seraching the net eaiser, or hash TAGs for things, i wonder this is why now when serach the internet its ofton garbage adn more garbage? that all these #freeadvertisingformultibilliondollarcorperations is screwing it up?

    • @0xyd
      @0xyd 11 месяцев назад

      @@mifffalden9225 @ on IRC means the person is a channel operator, i.e. they can kick or ban other people from the channel.

    • @derpalot
      @derpalot 11 месяцев назад +4

      Literally just read on Wikipedia. Weird this video did not mention how IRC inspired the usage on Twitter.

    • @Zeero3846
      @Zeero3846 11 месяцев назад +1

      He doesn't mention programming languages as well.

  • @PeterJonesKajuenRyu
    @PeterJonesKajuenRyu 11 месяцев назад +14

    In medicine it is used as an abbreviation of fracture. A “#NOF” is fractured neck of femur or “broken hip”

  • @PaulPaulPaulson
    @PaulPaulPaulson 11 месяцев назад +17

    I find it interesting that the programming language "C#" is called "C sharp" although other names for "#" are way more popular in the domain of programming

    • @katrinabryce
      @katrinabryce 11 месяцев назад +8

      That is because, The C language was named as the letter after B, there was previously a B programming language.
      The C++ language followed, and that referred to the increment operator in C so C+1
      C# was named as the note in the musical scale after C.

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 11 месяцев назад +7

      basically a pun

  • @Arcad3n
    @Arcad3n 11 месяцев назад +51

    Over here in America I have NEVER heard Octothorpe in my LIFE. Autocorrect doesn’t like the word either, keeps putting a red line under it lol

    • @frankhooper7871
      @frankhooper7871 11 месяцев назад +6

      Checked on my tablet - doesn't get recommended for quick entry, but doesn't get red-lined as a misspelling.

    • @LouisStreet
      @LouisStreet 11 месяцев назад +4

      If you had worked in the telecom industry then you would know this as an octothorpe on a telephone keypad.

    • @flamencoprof
      @flamencoprof 11 месяцев назад +2

      I often have to correct spellcheckers.

    • @fnjesusfreak
      @fnjesusfreak 11 месяцев назад +2

      I've heard of octothorpe, but only because I'm a Unix-head.

    • @jamesslick4790
      @jamesslick4790 11 месяцев назад +3

      I had many family members who worked for "Ma Bell". To THEM it WAS an "octothorpe", To everyone else "pound" (for phone use), Otherwise, "number sign".

  • @timzwicker
    @timzwicker 11 месяцев назад +14

    Hashtag isn't the symbol, it's the kind of tag, which includes the hash symbol at the beginning. When we read "hashtag winning" from #winning, we are not reading the symbol as the word "hashtag", we are labeling the whole thing as a "hashtag" (which is a tag labeled with the hash symbol) and then providing the word or phrase it includes as a tag

    • @miniepicness
      @miniepicness 11 месяцев назад

      hashtag can be a name for the symbol. people on roblox get messages censored/"tagged" using #s, also called "tags"

  • @rapjul
    @rapjul 11 месяцев назад +60

    Hex is probably related to “hex color code”, like #F00 and #FF0000 for red

    • @ths1138
      @ths1138 11 месяцев назад +5

      I called it a "Hex" sign ever since i was a kid, before the Internet was a thing, and before most people even had computers at home, so it's not because of the colour codes.
      I'm more inclined to believe that it's due to older generation of Singaporeans/M'sians (who weren't particularly good at speaking/hearing English) mishearing or mispronouncing the word "hash" and saying "hex" instead, and then teaching the next generation that it's "hex".

    • @garyperkins3304
      @garyperkins3304 11 месяцев назад +12

      Hex is short for hexadecimal.

    • @jackthehacker05
      @jackthehacker05 11 месяцев назад +6

      If that were the case, it would’ve been related to hexadecimal rather than the colour code

    • @garyperkins3304
      @garyperkins3304 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@jackthehacker05 Was that for me? Colour codes are hexadecimal (although they can also be specified in RGB and other value systems)

    • @jackthehacker05
      @jackthehacker05 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@garyperkins3304 no, RUclips just sucks with knowing who to send notifications to, my bad

  • @816Human
    @816Human 11 месяцев назад +13

    I am from Hong Kong. We called the symbol # as 「井」here which originally means "a well".
    We literally have a character in Cantonese which is exactly the same with this symbol lol.

    • @rrangwooo
      @rrangwooo 11 месяцев назад +2

      In korea as well we call 井 for #

  • @justalaborer713
    @justalaborer713 11 месяцев назад +386

    I grew up calling this POUND.

    • @FatCatFanatic
      @FatCatFanatic 11 месяцев назад +39

      Now you know you were right! As a Brit, I always wondered why # was called the 'pound sign' instead of £. I thought it was just because US keyboards lacked a £ key!

    • @FoggyD
      @FoggyD 11 месяцев назад +19

      There's an old Simpsons episode in which Troy McClure (RIP) refers to this symbol on a landline phone as "the pound sign" which always confused me... until now.

    • @the80hdgaming
      @the80hdgaming 11 месяцев назад +8

      Same... I feel old now... 😅

    • @chrisrj9871
      @chrisrj9871 11 месяцев назад +12

      Too many things in English use the word "Pound". Let's drop one of them, I vote this and suggest simply Hashtag.

    • @FoggyD
      @FoggyD 11 месяцев назад

      @@chrisrj9871 If we need to drop one thing called pound then either the UK could join the eurozone or the US could start using kilos. 💶

  • @LazyCat010
    @LazyCat010 11 месяцев назад +43

    So if Jim Thorpe had four robot arms he'd be Octothorpe?

    • @Nesseight
      @Nesseight 11 месяцев назад +1

      Doc. Oct or General Grevious

    • @sefoveng
      @sefoveng 10 месяцев назад

      If he will also have two heads

  • @Exilum
    @Exilum 10 месяцев назад +2

    9:45 My best guess would be hexadecimal notation? We use hexadecimal notation for colors, and I believe we put a # before to represent it. So it wouldn't be surprising for some people to call it hex, if it represents an hex number.

  • @FormulaJRay
    @FormulaJRay 11 месяцев назад +19

    It's still the pound sign to me. I know hashtag is probably more common now, but I still hear it as "pound" on phone menus. I don't think I've ever called a number and gone through a menu where it told me to push "hashtag" to choose a specific option.

    • @avaggdu1
      @avaggdu1 11 месяцев назад +1

      'Hashtag' is literally an internet creation - a tag that is denoted by the hash symbol. It's still called a hash in the UK but as US keyboards don't have use for the £ symbol, it was allocated to # with the same ASCII code. So # became "Pound" and it's stuck in general use. Modern keyboards have different layouts so it's no longer the case though.

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 11 месяцев назад

      If I'm talking about the symbol itself, I call it "number sign". If it's denoting a tag in a social media post, I call it "hashtag". If it's in code (e.g., #include ), I call it "hash".

  • @Me1le
    @Me1le 11 месяцев назад +22

    In dutch the most common name (at least after hastag) is "hekje" literally small fence.

    • @Marco_Onyxheart
      @Marco_Onyxheart 11 месяцев назад +4

      "... en sluit af, met een hekje"

    • @Juice0fTheBarley
      @Juice0fTheBarley 11 месяцев назад +5

      TIL: # sounds like heck yeah in Dutch.

    • @ikbintom
      @ikbintom 11 месяцев назад

      Hek is related to English hatch!

  • @indigop38
    @indigop38 11 месяцев назад +12

    I'm 67. It was number when I grew up. Later I knew it as pound; which was referred that way for digital phone dialing , etc.

  • @McAllen07
    @McAllen07 10 месяцев назад +3

    1:22 The % sign was also used to denote "c/o", as in "care of", in mailing addresses, back when typewriters were commonplace.
    Ex.:
    NAME
    % OTHER NAME
    173 SOMEWHERE PLACE
    NOWHERE, LB 10000

  • @MattMcIrvin
    @MattMcIrvin 11 месяцев назад +4

    I always used to call it the "number sign" because when I was a kid, that was the only context in which I saw it used, to indicate a number in a sequence. "Pound sign" baffled me because, while I heard it called that, it wasn't used to indicate pounds-weight in the 1970s-80s US; that was always "lb." and of course we didn't use pounds sterling.
    "Hash mark" had some currency as well, and "hashtag" is an obvious coinage from there but it still sounds strange for me to hear "hashtag" used *outside* of a social-media context.

  • @JulianDale94
    @JulianDale94 11 месяцев назад +10

    I would be more than happy to say "octothorpe sorry not sorry”

  • @tonymouannes
    @tonymouannes 11 месяцев назад +9

    I've never heard the name octothrope before, that's probably a British exclusive thing.
    I've seen it a lot used to replace the word number, but never in well written text. It's usually used in forms or informative text where space is limited. It's usually paired with a descriptive name like: Phone #, Account #, ID #.
    In american english it's usually called pound when paired with a string of numbers and hashtag on social media.

    • @LouisStreet
      @LouisStreet 11 месяцев назад +2

      Those having worked in the telecom industry in North America know this as an octothorpe on a telephone keypad.

    • @tonymouannes
      @tonymouannes 11 месяцев назад +1

      @LouisStreet that can be an insider thing, because those automated answering machines call it pound, which I assume should be a nationwide standard (because all of them use it, not just some).

    • @eekee6034
      @eekee6034 11 месяцев назад +1

      "Octothorpe" was coined in America; Bell was exclusively American. From other comments, I get the feeling the name was taken very seriously inside the (vast) Bell organization, but not so much outside it.

  • @mskiptr
    @mskiptr 11 месяцев назад +6

    Hex, I would guess comes from hexadecimal. E.g. in CSS you specify colors as #

    • @Zeero3846
      @Zeero3846 11 месяцев назад +2

      You could also specify 1 digit hex values as well for each field. For example, #333 is short for #333333. You just double up the digits to get the full hex value. #RGB becomes #RRGGBB, which is convenient for roughing out a palette when you don't have to worry about colors too much yet because they're way easier to parse mentally.

    • @eekee6034
      @eekee6034 11 месяцев назад +1

      Outside of the WWW, it's rare for # to mean hexadecimal. In the 80s, it was far more common to use $ for hex, though other symbols were used too. Some languages got a bit annoying as, having used $ for hexadecimal for years, they decided they needed a symbol for decimal and chose # -- dollar for hex, hash for decimal. ;)

  • @drumming_cat
    @drumming_cat 11 месяцев назад +3

    Technically a musical sharp (♯) slants the opposite direction from a #

    • @derpalot
      @derpalot 11 месяцев назад +1

      Good point. Though many places use # as an alternative because it exists on keyboard

  • @doctordeej
    @doctordeej 11 месяцев назад +4

    You used to see it on the cast list at the end of US TV shows to identify who played unnamed characters, e.g. Policeman #1 John Smith, Polioceman #2 Fred Bloggs.

  • @whtiequillBj
    @whtiequillBj 11 месяцев назад +2

    @7:01, this goes a little farther back. # is used in HTML to link to different places on a page rather then different pages.

  • @mskiptr
    @mskiptr 11 месяцев назад +13

    Also, imo it doesn't make sense to call # a hashtag. #something is a hashtag, but # is just a hash.

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 11 месяцев назад +2

      you could say both are tags, using two meanings of "tag" in this context. In "#something", "#" is a tag (extra piece of information that the software uses) that means that "something" is a tag (word to help searching for particular phrases in posts)

  • @margaretschultz6209
    @margaretschultz6209 11 месяцев назад +3

    8:34 Around 1988 an issue of Games Magazine had a fake ad for the * and # buttons on a phone (They're not used for anything yet, but in the near future they will let you override a busy signal)

  • @CarnivoreRonin
    @CarnivoreRonin 11 месяцев назад +3

    In graduate school around 24-25 years ago, I was getting a master's degree in computer information systems. We had students from several countries and occasionally this symbol came up because of confusion. My classmates from the UK, called it hash and those from the US called it the pound symbol. Ultimately we settled on calling it hash or octothorpe.
    I would love to see you do the poem "Waka Waka Bang Splat" that is beloved by us old geeks!

  • @mjears
    @mjears 11 месяцев назад +4

    The sharp symbol in music originally had the turned form shown at 5:41. Now the horizontals of the modern ♯ are both thicker and angled, so they can stand out against staff lines.

  • @morninggloryvisuals
    @morninggloryvisuals 11 месяцев назад +3

    7bit Ascii didn't have the £ symbol, so the UK started to use the # for the Pound sterling. Writing scripts for importing data was extra tricky at times.

  • @theconqueringram5295
    @theconqueringram5295 11 месяцев назад +3

    I never knew that the symbol had such a colorful story. Now, that's amazing!

  • @JBRam2002
    @JBRam2002 10 месяцев назад +2

    I think it is incorrect to state that the name "pound sign" is not used very much anymore. It's used by both construction workers who use it as a shorthand for pounds, and also by telephone operators who instruct people to press the pound key. That's the name I would label it generally, and from its history of being originally used for the pound by weight, it seems the most accurate name for it. As another commenter said, however, its name should vary based on its usage. It's a different but identical symbol whether it's used in music, numerical lists, internet key phrases, or on a telephone.

  • @jademonas
    @jademonas 9 месяцев назад +1

    in brazil, some older people call it "jogo da velha", which is literally just "tic tac toe"

  • @micronalpha
    @micronalpha 11 месяцев назад +4

    In Portugal, we call it "cardinal" (read the same as in English).

  • @rosiefay7283
    @rosiefay7283 11 месяцев назад +2

    2:46 Perhaps in some contexts, but the symbol for pound weight was much more often written lb or lbs (with or without a dot). For example 2 lb or 2 lbs. But not 2#.

  • @chikem_nufget
    @chikem_nufget 11 месяцев назад +5

    the "hex" name could come from it being used to signify hexadecimal color codes, sometimes called hex codes for short

    • @therealpbristow
      @therealpbristow 10 месяцев назад

      ...and other hexadecimal numbers, in various computing contexts, yes.

  • @heterodoxagnostic8070
    @heterodoxagnostic8070 11 месяцев назад +3

    there is something called hexadecimal, people often encounter this when working with colors, and call them hex values, maybe that is why it is called hex in singapore?

  • @alexgarrett4673
    @alexgarrett4673 10 месяцев назад +1

    Pretty sure 90% of people in the UK (and probably other commonwealth countries) would default to "hash", and similarly 90% of Americans would default to "pound sign" just because that's what they're referred to as on telephone keypads in those areas respectively. Though I suspect younger generations in both are skewing more towards "hashtag" these days.

  • @EmelyPhan
    @EmelyPhan 11 месяцев назад +2

    A couple of years ago, I (in my 20's) had a prof (in her 30's) call it a hashtag when I used it for the number meaning. An older student (late 40's) mentioned it means number too. I have heard it as a pound, number, hashtag, and sharp sign.

  • @allangibson8494
    @allangibson8494 11 месяцев назад +6

    The Pound as currency was originally literally a pound weight of sterling silver…
    (92.5% Silver with the balance usually being copper for wear resistance). There were 20 penny weights to the pound.

    • @therealpbristow
      @therealpbristow 10 месяцев назад

      [NODS] And the "proper" pound sign, £, is derived from a stylised letter L, which in turn is taken from the abbreviation "lb" for a pound weight (short for the Latin word "librum"; connected to French equivalent "livre", both of which literally mean "book". So the unit of British is literally a silver book. =:o} ).

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@therealpbristow The “Lb” is for Libra not Librum. “Libra” was Latin for pound or balance and derived from the Babylonian “Zibanu”.

    • @therealpbristow
      @therealpbristow 10 месяцев назад

      @@allangibson8494 [BLINKS] Well, damn... You wait 45 years for something you learned at school to ever be relevant, and when it finally comes up in conversation, turns out it's wrong! =:o/

  • @octavianova1300
    @octavianova1300 10 месяцев назад +3

    gonna start calling "?" the "Guantanamo" as an abstraction of the name "interrogation point"

  • @Voyagerch75
    @Voyagerch75 11 месяцев назад +1

    In Switzerland we call it "Gartenhag" (garden fence).

  • @axelprino
    @axelprino 11 месяцев назад +3

    In Spanish this symbol was always called "numeral" as far as I was aware, so when people started calling it "hashtag" unironically and outside of the context of social media I was very confused.

  • @TheJaguar1983
    @TheJaguar1983 11 месяцев назад +5

    I always get annoyed when I hear people call it "hashtag" because, here in Australia, it was always called a "hash" and a hashtag is the complete item of the hash and the word. Seeing that it's had so many names, I guess I can't really complain.

    • @zigzaggreg
      @zigzaggreg 11 месяцев назад +2

      And people have never said ATM machine?

    • @therealpbristow
      @therealpbristow 10 месяцев назад

      @@zigzaggreg In the UK we dodged that bullet by just calling them "cash machine", "money robot", "whole in the wall".

  • @amymagdaleneta
    @amymagdaleneta 11 месяцев назад +2

    The origin of the # for referencing groups of people goes back further than 2007, IRC channels (groups of people chatting in a publicly accessible space) are indicated with a # since the 80s, and there the channel indicator was called a hash, discord then adopted the irc syntax later for its purposes.

  • @-1f
    @-1f 11 месяцев назад +2

    [#] (read as "hash") is the second extended play by South Korean girl group Loona. It was released on February 5, 2020, by Blockberry Creative and distributed by Kakao M.

  • @jeffyp2483
    @jeffyp2483 11 месяцев назад +1

    the £ refers to pounds sterling as the currency was backed by silver at one time. so it was once related to weight.
    the hashtag is a hash+a tag hence 'hashtag'
    being called 'hex'; it has been used to denote values using hexadecimal e.g., #1F (31 decimal) so that can explain that usage.

  • @OscelotTheCat
    @OscelotTheCat 10 месяцев назад

    To add some more regional data for you: In the US (west coast), I grew up calling it the pound sign. It’s still consistently referred to it as such in things like pharmacy phone trees, when they have the ones you have to type in to still.
    Really cool video, will have to check out the rest of your channel. :3

  • @cloudkitt
    @cloudkitt 11 месяцев назад +4

    I personally usually call it the number sign, but in the northeastern US, I'd say the most common name aside from hashtag is "pound sign." That's what every automated phone menu will call it.

  • @chiron14pl
    @chiron14pl 11 месяцев назад +1

    I had heard of and used all of the meanings except "octothorpe" which was completely new to me, thx

  • @Invalid-user13k
    @Invalid-user13k 11 месяцев назад +2

    So many names to one symbol that also has a slight variation

  • @mskiptr
    @mskiptr 11 месяцев назад +3

    I've encountered it used as a stand in for "number of" or "count of" in certain calculations. Like you would write "# houses" to mean the "number of houses" (and use it as a number - e.g. to divide by it and get an average).

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 11 месяцев назад +1

      When I want to shorten something like "number of houses" I stick with # just meaning "number", so I write "# of houses"

  • @chasepyle6168
    @chasepyle6168 11 месяцев назад +3

    I like "hash" because it's the shortest and most violent

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 11 месяцев назад +1

      "hex" is shorter, but definitely one of the worse names due to not being very exclusive to that symbol.

    • @therealpbristow
      @therealpbristow 10 месяцев назад

      Me too, but also cos it makes me think of fried potato. =:o}

  • @Violet-mi6oh
    @Violet-mi6oh 11 месяцев назад +1

    I remember one time back in high school, as my dad was taking me to school, he had me answer his phone once and do something with the automatic teller.
    I was confused when it told me to press the pound sign, as I was looking for the currency and had never heard that name for what I knew as the number sign.

  • @jopeteus
    @jopeteus 11 месяцев назад +1

    in Finnish, we have seperate words for pound (weight) and pound (currency)
    Pauna = pound (weight)
    Punta = pound (currency)
    Interestingly enough, we also seperate between indian (native american) and indian (a person from india)
    Intiaani = Indian (native american)
    Intialainen = Indian (a person from India)

    • @jopeteus
      @jopeteus 11 месяцев назад

      It is kind of ironic that English speakers deal with indians and pounds more often but don't have seperate words for them

  • @Zeero3846
    @Zeero3846 11 месяцев назад +1

    "Pound" when void of context or when referring to the telephone number pad;
    "Number" when it's a name of a counting or ranking field in a table;
    "Hash" when involving programming, except when referring to the literal character as it is used in the program's user context.
    "Hashtag" only when used in social media contexts where it is actually used as a tag or when speaking as if it were on social media.
    "Sharp" only in musical contexts or to specifically refer to the C# (or F# and similarly named) programming language(s).
    Edit: Adding "Hex" for color codes in HTML/CSS, but technically, I'm not even referring to the symbol. The code itself is in hexadecimal. The symbol is just part of the syntax.

  • @annojance
    @annojance 11 месяцев назад

    The story of how it went from LB to # parallels how certain infamous comic panels became
    | ||
    || |_
    Fascinating.

  • @timzwicker
    @timzwicker 11 месяцев назад +2

    In computer programming i learned that this is also called the "sha" symbol. To mark a file as a shell script, you begin it with "sha bang", which is #!, for example:
    #!/bin/sh
    #!/usr/bin/python

  • @joetech4054
    @joetech4054 11 месяцев назад

    In over thirty years working with telephone service, I used to enjoy finding and reading old documentation regarding standards and practices (BSPs) but I had never heard of an octothorpe! Everyone called it the pound sign. Also, knowing how Bell Labs operated, I’m sure the ‘thorpe’ has a more scientific meaning. Interesting video, thanks!

  • @griffingilbert1030
    @griffingilbert1030 11 месяцев назад

    so I’m RIGHT for absolutely despising that one popcorn ad that asks about this. It wasn’t even originally called octothorpe!
    As for me, I tend to use “Pound” when dialing a phone, “Number” in math or when context necessitates, “Hashtag” all other times

  • @dancoroian1
    @dancoroian1 11 месяцев назад +1

    "Pound" is still used pretty much exclusively in all telephony applications in the states, i.e. when an automated system is telling you to enter "your DOB as 8 digits, followed by the pound."

    • @avaggdu1
      @avaggdu1 11 месяцев назад

      US slow to recognise other countries in the world exist, as usual. Not only would my DOB be wrong (DD/MM/YY), but I'd be looking for the £. It's your country, your rules but if I'm ordering something and expected to use Imperial measurements and the 12-hour clock in three different time zones, I'm hanging up the phone and ordering direct from the manufacturer in China.

    • @dancoroian1
      @dancoroian1 11 месяцев назад

      @@avaggdu1 random rant but go off I guess...

    • @NightmareRex6
      @NightmareRex6 11 месяцев назад +1

      what if peaople got punded for using hastags stupidly?

    • @fredbear3915
      @fredbear3915 11 месяцев назад

      @@dancoroian1 Thats not a rant, its a joke. And a very funny one at that.
      (Two nations divided by a common language....)

  • @turtleburger200
    @turtleburger200 11 месяцев назад +7

    i call it "tic tac toe"

  • @frogandspanner
    @frogandspanner 11 месяцев назад +2

    I'm British, in my '70s, and went to primary school in the '50s/early '60s. The short form for pound weight was always "lb". The short form for number was No (with a cocked-up - i.e. superscript 'o'). My maternal grandparents had had a grocery, and still had the scales, till, and various other items from the shop. There was no '#' symbol to be seen anywhere. The scales were labelled "lb". Shops sold things by the "lb", not by the '#'.
    I would therefore speculate that the '#' symbol being used for "pound weight" , or "number", is American as those usages were not encountered in normal life by people from my grandparents' (19C) age.
    I became involved in Computing when I went to university in 1971. This is when I encountered the '#' symbol, which was universally verbalised "hash". I went on the teach Computer Science at a Russell Group university, and the symbol was always the hash. Some students might initially call it something else, such as 'sharp', or 'pound sign', but they were soon corrected. (Since retirement I have been learning piano and guitar, and see that the sharp symbol is different from the hash symbol, so calling '#' "sharp" would be wrong.
    "hashtag" is a display of ignorance by computer users whose focus is on antisocial media.

  • @MiamiMarkYT
    @MiamiMarkYT 6 месяцев назад

    To me the name is cemented as pound sign from years of sitting on hold during phone calls listening to automated messages saying things like “Press pound for more options” every 30 seconds on loop.

  • @Fahrenheit4051
    @Fahrenheit4051 11 месяцев назад +4

    Ah, finally a video on my favorite symbol, the sticknugget.

  • @MozartJunior22
    @MozartJunior22 11 месяцев назад +3

    In Hebrew we say "Soolameet" for Octothorpe, literally meaning "little ladder"

  • @paiwanhan
    @paiwanhan 11 месяцев назад +2

    It's called the well sign, well, by Hanji/Kanji/Hanja users anyway. It's because it looks like the character for a well where you go fetch water from, 井.

  • @veitforabetterworld
    @veitforabetterworld 11 месяцев назад +2

    The German language includes:
    #1 Rautezeichen (Diamond sign)
    #2 Doppelkreuz (Double cross)
    #3 Gartenzaun (Garden fence)
    Back in school I learned the English names
    #4 Pound / number sign (for number pads)
    #5 Hashtag (for social networks)
    #6 Sharp (for music Notation)

  • @JiveDadson
    @JiveDadson 11 месяцев назад +2

    It's called "hex" because in many programming languages, it is used to indicate that the following symbols denote an integer coded in hexadecimal. For example, #1F denotes 31 in the common decimal system.

    • @kyokazuto
      @kyokazuto 11 месяцев назад

      You could call it an ID Mark as well since they're also used for html IDs

  • @andrewdreasler428
    @andrewdreasler428 11 месяцев назад +2

    9:53 I can see the origin for the name "Hex." Some systems use it to indicate the following number is in Hexidecimal (base 16). It's especially popular for the "hexcode" of identifying a specific RGB color, for example #FFFF00 indicates a bright, bold yellow (Red Value FF, Green value FF, Blue value 00).
    Aside from the color hexcode, it seems to be more popular in Eastern programming systems, while western systems will indicate a hexidecimal value with either the prefix '0x' or the suffix 'h'

    • @aceae4210
      @aceae4210 11 месяцев назад +1

      I have also seen *$* used to indicate hexadecimal as well (though in assembly addresses in hex mostly and not much else, as an example say you want to reference memory address hex(10), then it would be something like *$000A*)

  • @peter_smyth
    @peter_smyth 11 месяцев назад +1

    "Hash" is the name for the symbol, "hashtag" is only the name for the smybol with corresponding word(s) attached (eg #pinkshoes), as in a tag made using a hash.

  • @ernestwongsg
    @ernestwongsg 11 месяцев назад

    I’m surprised that you featured “hex” as one of the names! I was waiting eagerly to find out if hex were one of the known names of #

  • @kazriko
    @kazriko 11 месяцев назад +1

    IRC also used the # for channels that were global across all of the servers on a network. That's probably where the Twitterites got it from for groups. IRC would have been using it since the late 80's to early 90's.

  • @KapitanWasTaken
    @KapitanWasTaken 11 месяцев назад +1

    A guy from Poland here: I grew up hearing that this symbol is called "krzyżyk" (cross) and "hasz" (hash).

  • @SpiritmanProductions
    @SpiritmanProductions 11 месяцев назад +5

    The one name it *_can't_* logically have is 'hashtag', because a hashtag needs the 'tag' part as well, like #Pedantry.

  • @kenneth9902
    @kenneth9902 11 месяцев назад +1

    It’s also 井 jǐng, meaning well in chinese

  • @PalaeoJoe
    @PalaeoJoe 11 месяцев назад +4

    Hi from Canada, where we have dollars $
    When I was young, I used to call # the Number Sign. This was before I heard it called the pound sign. However I adopted calling it the pound sign because it sounded more proper to me.
    I am quite happy to learn that # is called the number sign in Britain and I may go back to calling it that on the regular.
    It's kinda funny to me because I often hate British words for things such as "mathS".

  • @_samandriel
    @_samandriel 10 месяцев назад

    I usually call it 'sharp' for most things except when referring to social media or web I call it 'hashtag' or 'hash' and 'number' for number.

  • @GewoonRemcoCW
    @GewoonRemcoCW 10 месяцев назад

    In the Netherlands we mostly refer to it as "fence" and "number", love the video

  • @DF-ep3kk
    @DF-ep3kk 11 месяцев назад +1

    In medicine we use it to mean fracture. Eg right arm #. Or left leg #. Etc.

  • @Volus_dude
    @Volus_dude 11 месяцев назад +6

    finnish call it twig fence or risu aita. it looks a lot like farm yard fence hence the name.

    • @hellethomsen8786
      @hellethomsen8786 11 месяцев назад +1

      In danish it is sometims called “havelåge” = garden gate

    • @-ion
      @-ion 11 месяцев назад

      For the sake of accuracy, it's risuaita.

  • @mrchristian0457
    @mrchristian0457 11 месяцев назад +1

    3:39 A Name Theory!

  • @AtarahDerek
    @AtarahDerek 11 месяцев назад +1

    You should do a video on why the letter A is actually upside down. Specifically capital A. Lowercase a is just tilted to the side.

  • @mikescholz6429
    @mikescholz6429 11 месяцев назад

    I’m permanently using octothorpe from now on except when hashtag is specifically required (category tagging)

  • @anthonyli5589
    @anthonyli5589 11 месяцев назад +2

    In Hong Kong: well sign (井號). Just because the thing looks like the Chinese word for a well

  • @neverforged
    @neverforged 11 месяцев назад +1

    Still used in archery for bow poundage.

  • @rainbs2nd
    @rainbs2nd 11 месяцев назад

    I'm shocked to know that not everyone calls it a hashtag, I always thought that was the only name for it.

    • @logicalfundy
      @logicalfundy 11 месяцев назад

      The term "hashtag" is pretty recent, it didn't even exist when I was young. But we still had the symbol, so we had to call it something.

    • @rainbs2nd
      @rainbs2nd 11 месяцев назад

      @@logicalfundy Yeah, I born in 2001, I was 6 when the hashtag began to be called hashtag, so for me it was always the Hashtag lol

  • @KristenRowenPliske
    @KristenRowenPliske 11 месяцев назад

    I grew up with this called a pound sign on the phone. Now I know where that came from. I played violin; there it was a sharp. It was also shorthand for number. Now it’s a hashtag on social media. It has many names for many different functions.

  • @AdynRink
    @AdynRink 11 месяцев назад +1

    @NameExplain
    Thank you so much for shouting out your two books; I had no idea this was available. Add to cart ✔️

  • @seansmith6255
    @seansmith6255 10 месяцев назад

    Way more interesting then the number sigh
    Was finally figuring out why pound is abbreviated to Lb

  • @psycomatrix
    @psycomatrix 11 месяцев назад +1

    My university math teachers used to refer to this as "brägo" (pronounced "brae go") . I later understood that it was in jest, it in fact was "brä'gå'" for "brädgård" which simply translates to "lumber yard".

  • @fjb4932
    @fjb4932 10 месяцев назад

    5:30 This is a U.S.N. Seabee rating patch : the dozer is for the Equipment Operator rating, the 3 V's show 1st Class Petty Officer ( E-6) and gold represents 12 years or more of Good Conduct. ☆