For anyone wondering about 0:52 “HAH TUAH” is not either of those two players sponsors, they both have actual sponsors, the stream just changed them to that...
If there's only one character with counter, you pretty much know the outcome. But when there's 2 characters with counters, it gets unpredictable and both ways, which is way more interesting. (personal opinion so don't come at me)
You’re never going to see Mii Brawler’s counter, the objectively worst counter in the series, in a video like this. I’ll do the biggest spit take if that happens.
At least other bad counters can always be used by their respective characters. In Mii Brawler's case however, the players are literally just going to give him a different down special, already guaranteeing a lack of counters.
@@triples3768 at what level of play do you use it? If it's anything below competitive, even it it's elite smash, it doesn't matter. Elite smash players are actually dumb enough to get hit by warlock punch in neutral or shield Ganondorf's up tilt, so of course Mii Brawler's counter would actually be useful against them.
@@triples3768 It has multiple flaws: since the counterattack is a very short grab, the opponent must be within close range to be grabbed; attacks from below soft platforms or moves with a long enough range (most often disjointed hitboxes) will outrange the grab, causing it to miss. In addition, it is infamous for its unreliable counter detection, as it is also is one of the few counters which requires attacks to strike a certain part of Brawler's body, being their arm or hand. If the incoming hitbox does not overlap with their arm hurtbox the counter will fail and Mii Brawler will be damaged normally, which is most noticeable when attacking from behind or below. Due to its flawed counter detection and unique launch angle (specifically throwing the opponent behind them), it is additionally quite ineffective at edgeguarding despite counters as a whole generally being very useful in that regard, as recovering opponents will be flung into the stage and can tech. Finally, Counter Throw will always fail against indirect attacks such as projectiles, even if the user is standing directly in front of Mii Brawler; this also gives it strange interactions with attacks that are internally considered as projectiles but are not typically able to be reflected, such as any of Olimar's attacks that involve Pikmin (even his aerials), and Min Min's Ramram ARM (which is otherwise considered a disjointed hitbox). That’s two fighters who can completely bypass Mii Brawlers counters which is the case with other counters
@@triples3768 Yes. Trust me I use it a lot on my Mii but I can objectively say Mii Brawler’s counter really is that bad and the worst in the game - since the counterattack is a very short grab, the opponent must be within close range to be grabbed; attacks from below soft platforms or moves with a long enough range (most often disjointed hitboxes) will outrange the grab, causing it to miss. - in addition to its range problems, Counter Throw's low lag is counterbalanced by it having the shortest counter window in the game (a mere 18 frames compared to an average of around 23 frames). - it is infamous for its unreliable counter detection, as it is also is one of the few counters which requires attacks to strike a certain part of Brawler's body, being their arm or hand. If the incoming hitbox does not overlap with their arm hurtbox the counter will fail and Mii Brawler will be damaged normally, which is most noticeable when attacking from behind or below. Sora, Sephiroth and King K Rool all have blind spot counters as well, but they all have unique counter qualities to counterbalance that. Mii Brawler has no such unique quality for having the smallest blind spot hitbox. - Due to its flawed counter detection and unique launch angle (specifically throwing the opponent behind them at an upward angle which in most cases is the most advantageous position for your opponent to be in), it is additionally quite ineffective at edgeguarding despite counters as a whole generally being very useful in that regard, as recovering opponents will be flung into the stage and can tech. - Counter Throw will always fail against indirect attacks such as projectiles, even if the user is standing directly in front of Mii Brawler; this also gives it strange interactions with attacks that are internally considered as projectiles but are not typically able to be reflected, such as any of Olimar's attacks that involve Pikmin (even his aerials) and Min Min's Ramram ARM (which is otherwise considered a disjointed hitbox). That’s two entire characters that a counter won’t work against which you can’t say about any other counter.
4:38 Sir although King K Rool and Sora are the only characters who counter and reflect at the same time, in this instance Steve died to the counter not the reflector
@@fandelpudu No they do not. The clear distinction is that Sora and King K Rool *counter & reflect at the same time.* If you’re close enough you will be hit by the reflected projectile as well as the countered hit. Palutena and Joker in contrast have both a counter and reflector but *only one activates at a time* depending on what attack they were hit with.
@@Sjono It sounds possible with characters like mii swordfighter who has a counter and projectiles with not so much endlag, maybe with corrin too if the opponent has a slow counter like shulk
Yes. Actually a counter countering another counter which is then also countered happens also - Sephiroth's Scintilla countering Kazuya's Left Splits Kick, which is in turn countered by the Left Splits Kick he was countering. Zero to death combo right there
For anyone wondering about 0:52 “HAH TUAH” is not either of those two players sponsors, they both have actual sponsors, the stream just changed them to that...
If there's only one character with counter, you pretty much know the outcome. But when there's 2 characters with counters, it gets unpredictable and both ways, which is way more interesting. (personal opinion so don't come at me)
Same, it happens the same with reflections and you instantly think "well, I know who's going to take the stock"
It's my favorite minigame to do in my head whenever counter comps are posted lol
That’s actually a pretty good point there. You can’t tell who’s about to put their money where their mouth is until the counter shows up!
Those are my favorite, when it can go either way.
No no, you have a point
i was having a great day until 0:52 now i dont even want to watch the video anymore.
3:57 Dr. Zomboss ahh laugh 💀
"He got Min Min on"
💀💀💀
0:52 Idk if it was just me but this entire clip was painful to listen to
Agreed. They need to fire the commentators
Get that guy off the mic. Good lord.
@@clonesharpshooter101 Tf were they yapping about hawk tuah and stuff for? Were they being intentionally annoying?
They've fully succumbed to the brain rot.
This generation sucks 🫤
5:20 ain't no way he died a 22% 💀
No it’s worse. Competitive Smash likes to use the percentage of the player before the kill. So he died at *5*
You’re never going to see Mii Brawler’s counter, the objectively worst counter in the series, in a video like this. I’ll do the biggest spit take if that happens.
At least other bad counters can always be used by their respective characters. In Mii Brawler's case however, the players are literally just going to give him a different down special, already guaranteeing a lack of counters.
Is Mii brawler’s really that bad? I have the counter on one of mine & I think it’s incredible when used correctly
@@triples3768 at what level of play do you use it? If it's anything below competitive, even it it's elite smash, it doesn't matter. Elite smash players are actually dumb enough to get hit by warlock punch in neutral or shield Ganondorf's up tilt, so of course Mii Brawler's counter would actually be useful against them.
@@triples3768
It has multiple flaws: since the counterattack is a very short grab, the opponent must be within close range to be grabbed; attacks from below soft platforms or moves with a long enough range (most often disjointed hitboxes) will outrange the grab, causing it to miss.
In addition, it is infamous for its unreliable counter detection, as it is also is one of the few counters which requires attacks to strike a certain part of Brawler's body, being their arm or hand. If the incoming hitbox does not overlap with their arm hurtbox the counter will fail and Mii Brawler will be damaged normally, which is most noticeable when attacking from behind or below. Due to its flawed counter detection and unique launch angle (specifically throwing the opponent behind them), it is additionally quite ineffective at edgeguarding despite counters as a whole generally being very useful in that regard, as recovering opponents will be flung into the stage and can tech.
Finally, Counter Throw will always fail against indirect attacks such as projectiles, even if the user is standing directly in front of Mii Brawler; this also gives it strange interactions with attacks that are internally considered as projectiles but are not typically able to be reflected, such as any of Olimar's attacks that involve Pikmin (even his aerials), and Min Min's Ramram ARM (which is otherwise considered a disjointed hitbox). That’s two fighters who can completely bypass Mii Brawlers counters which is the case with other counters
@@triples3768
Yes. Trust me I use it a lot on my Mii but I can objectively say Mii Brawler’s counter really is that bad and the worst in the game
- since the counterattack is a very short grab, the opponent must be within close range to be grabbed; attacks from below soft platforms or moves with a long enough range (most often disjointed hitboxes) will outrange the grab, causing it to miss.
- in addition to its range problems, Counter Throw's low lag is counterbalanced by it having the shortest counter window in the game (a mere 18 frames compared to an average of around 23 frames).
- it is infamous for its unreliable counter detection, as it is also is one of the few counters which requires attacks to strike a certain part of Brawler's body, being their arm or hand. If the incoming hitbox does not overlap with their arm hurtbox the counter will fail and Mii Brawler will be damaged normally, which is most noticeable when attacking from behind or below. Sora, Sephiroth and King K Rool all have blind spot counters as well, but they all have unique counter qualities to counterbalance that. Mii Brawler has no such unique quality for having the smallest blind spot hitbox.
- Due to its flawed counter detection and unique launch angle (specifically throwing the opponent behind them at an upward angle which in most cases is the most advantageous position for your opponent to be in), it is additionally quite ineffective at edgeguarding despite counters as a whole generally being very useful in that regard, as recovering opponents will be flung into the stage and can tech.
- Counter Throw will always fail against indirect attacks such as projectiles, even if the user is standing directly in front of Mii Brawler; this also gives it strange interactions with attacks that are internally considered as projectiles but are not typically able to be reflected, such as any of Olimar's attacks that involve Pikmin (even his aerials) and Min Min's Ramram ARM (which is otherwise considered a disjointed hitbox). That’s two entire characters that a counter won’t work against which you can’t say about any other counter.
4:38 Sir although King K Rool and Sora are the only characters who counter and reflect at the same time, in this instance Steve died to the counter not the reflector
palutena, joker
@@fandelpudu
No they do not.
The clear distinction is that Sora and King K Rool *counter & reflect at the same time.* If you’re close enough you will be hit by the reflected projectile as well as the countered hit.
Palutena and Joker in contrast have both a counter and reflector but *only one activates at a time* depending on what attack they were hit with.
Has a counter countering another counter ever been clipped?
That sounds only possible in doubles as it requires someone else to trigger a counter for someone to counter back
Could be possible if a player stuck in bayo's witch time manages to throw a counter early into its window
@@Critick3000
Is the person with the counter had a projectile they counter it if they run into it
@@Sjono It sounds possible with characters like mii swordfighter who has a counter and projectiles with not so much endlag, maybe with corrin too if the opponent has a slow counter like shulk
Yes. Actually a counter countering another counter which is then also countered happens also - Sephiroth's Scintilla countering Kazuya's Left Splits Kick, which is in turn countered by the Left Splits Kick he was countering. Zero to death combo right there
0:52 how english sounds to non english speakers
Counters are the absolute best.
I agree on that one.
You put a k rool clip. he got a kill. You earned my respect 3:57 4:36
Hi I’m the second K. Rool
@@EnharmonicYTbeautiful counter good sir
7:33 41% to 117% . . . . . . . . . . .?
2:56 Bayonetta winning with 69 percent seems totally in character for her
The most “nuh uh” mechanic in the game.
3:50 and 4:34 are my favorites!
Glad to see this comment section is more welcoming to counter clips than when I was featured in this category, lol
Haven’t watched a yeet smash videos since the smash bros finale…… Now I have returned to watch greatness brothers
5:36 this one and the clip of the day were my favorites
2:28 greninja got tired of the stall lmao
Yeah that Substitute was fueled by spite
hitting Greninja's counter be like "its a trap!!!!"
2:59 alien language comms 3:08 becomes English
Increasingly crushing!
1:07
The name of that tournament is making them sound like Angie Yonaga.
Did anybody else notice in 4:05 when link throws his bomb it lands and does damage with his throw
Wait, I noticed it now, faithful citizen!
2:55 AND THEN COMES THE GIANT FIST!
Not to be that guy but I think the clip of the day may fall under a Perry reflect. I think it was the anvil that killed the Alxe play.
What is the hawk tuah special in the third clip 💀
2:11 is there a person under all that hair!?
0:52 people on comms sound insufferable
I'm glad it's not just me
They sound like they belong in a junior highschool classroom
3:27 Very smart right there.
5:50 Wait wha? 0.0
From my understanding Zelda recovered a little too high and Sora counted on it
@@Critick3000 I see. Understandable
0:55 who let the 14 year old 4channer commentate
Steve mains are eating terrible today
Heh i did the samething but with king k rool
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Little mac on thumbnail
No way I thought it was big mac
2:35 How does Greninja's counter work??
You can pretty much control the direction you counter at
UNHAND ME
Like si vieron ganar a un Mexicano enojando al Peruano❤
Link Mewing when?
0:52 is actually the worst commentary I've ever heard, jesus christ. Get those children off the mic for god's sake.
The Incineroar back body drop KO at 5:24 was simply amazing 🤘 (can we also put that in another "Ridiculously early KOs" video?)
Nah idgaf what anyone says, counters are never hype
Someone got 3 stocked by a baiting grenenja.
holy hater
I guess they kind of had to make Greninja’s down b stupid good to compensate for his side b
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10 minutes up and only 200 views. You really feel off a cliff.
Your videos are a treasure. Thank you for your talent and creativity. 🎉
You’re not first
@@Bizness124 but I never finish last 😉
@@brandan7761 i- alright