You have to give her the prize for the coolest pilot comms ever! Instead of being stressed she actually sounded excited, clear, knowledgable and exactly who you need up front.
Lots of communication. All very professional and polite. Very reassuring to hear. It's professionalism like this that helps make modern aviation so safe.
After seeing several videos of very poor communication between ATC and pilots, it is very nice to see a video of exemplary communication between the parties. Kudos to the controllers and the crew.
well they don't really teach kids how to read anymore so checklists are a struggle, but in all seriousness, the lawyers and engineers need to simplify this
@@Hokieredneck Lol.I always think who is going to fly those planes in the future when I see kids on their phones all the time which definitely affect eye sight,never mind that most of them smoke pot.
Brickyard 5591suddenly got high-fidelity audio when they switched over to Tower on final! (I know, it's just the vagaries of radio signal strength and the equipment being used to record and stream, I just thought it was funny)
I was on an AA Embraer 175 that had a precautionary landing 2 weeks ago. You could feel that the pilots were struggling, but kept their cool. They let us know emergency would be on the ground waiting. I was in the front seat, and made sure to thank them on the way out. When I had to fly home a few days later they told me it was a hydraulic problem and had to take the plane out of service. It’s never boring flying for work!😊
Learn something new everyday. I thought 22R was way longer than 22L, but I guess 22R has a long displaced threshold. Go figure. P.S. I just looked it up. Runway 22R is 12,079 with a displaced threshold of 3,425, leaving 8,654 for landing. That’s still longer than 8,400 22L. So unless my numbers are wrong, the controller was incorrect, although it’s only a difference of 254 feet.
@@JohnSmith-zi9orlooking the weird threshold up for the divert airport when your most important hydraulic rail fails and you lose gear raise/lower and nose steering would hugely suck so I can't fault the pilot on that one
@@matthewhall5571 It isn't weird. Many runways have displaced thresholds. If you're wanting the longest distance available, you should look at the landing distance available, not runway length, like she did.
22R has 8,655’ available beyond the 3,424’ displaced threshold, but only 7,795’ of that is available for landing. 22L’s landing distance available of 8,400’ is better.
Im seeing lots of coms and lots of red here. Although I say this was professionally handled I just think there was way too much radio traffic. As a pilot the last thing I need is ATC asking question after question and yanking me all over the sky. Please for Gods sake shut up and give those pilots time to handle their situation and checklists.
It’s because you not only have the checklist items for verifying that Hydraulic System 2 is indeed out of fluid, but you also have to compute all landing numbers by hand (normally you would get landing performance automatically via ACARS) since now you have only half the braking power. Then they have to notify dispatch that they’re diverting, notify the Flight Attendants of the issue and any brave instructions or possibility of evacuation, and then notifying the passengers. That’s why it took so long.
@Southwest737 that is correct.. system 2 fluid controls land gear nose wheel steering and engine #2 reverse . So qrh covers lots of landing and performance considerations
I'm impressed with how the pilot remains calm, but why do so many pilots in trouble refer vaguely to a "problem." It'd be just as easy to say "hydraulic problem." In this case the controllers did good asking her for specifics and making clear what runway was the longest.
Mostly because the first alert we get may not be the root problem, or we may not be aware of just how bad the problem is. There's a big difference between a sensor error and a loss of hydraulic fluid.
@@llaughridge it was a joke, so lighten up Francis. And yes, I know your name is not Francis, since you'd probably point out that it isn't. And yes, their voices do sound similar.
If you listen to tapes, many females sound alike- The FAA off facility radios notch out a portion of the spectrum to insert radio control messages on the same telephone circuit and it destroys some of the uniqueness of everyone's voice, but more so with female voices. Delta pilots used to be convinced FAA used better radios in terminal vs enroute environment, When Atlanta consolidated its TRACON into Peachtree City, the pilots said the new TRACON got center radios and kept the good ones for the tower. On these crowd sourced recordings, you will hear the effect only on the ATCS voice (and only if it's a center or consolidated TRACON controller).
didn't realize there was a competition involved? idk what's leading you to believe uncoordinated cockpit. for all the tasks required such as go-around, the direct troubleshooting checklist, the modified landing checklist, a diversion, comms with atc company crew and pax, everything seemed confident and cohesive from my listen edi: slightest nitpick for 'declare an emergency' instead of 'pan-pan', but otherwise seemed professional throughout
Pan pan gives you nothing. No protection, no priority handling. Declaring emergency is free and it only cost a bit of paperwork. I’ve had ATC declare an emergency for me because I wanted to troubleshoot possible issue with the gear. Also as a note things they lost with sys 2 hydraulic fluid was: inboard elevator, inboard ailerons, eng 2 reverser, the left ground spoiler, a multi function spoiler on the right wing, the inboard brakes, and nose wheel steering. They effectively lost half of their controls as well as half of the stopping ability. This is absolutely an emergency situation
@@Soleniae She made several errors in request the longest runway. ATC suggested the longest runway, she wanted to quibble about it. She also had some rambling going on and how many times do you need to request speed our discretion or tell ATC we need to run a long checklist, which by the ways tells them nothing. Tell them what you need. Example, we need 10 more minutes. ATC can work with that.
@@chastindean Everything you said about PANs is wrong. PANs are an emergency. They have the same call requirements (fuel in minutes, souls onboard, intentions etc.etc) as maydays. Maydays are for aircraft in distress and PANs are for urgent situations. The AIM is your friend bro.
You have to give her the prize for the coolest pilot comms ever! Instead of being stressed she actually sounded excited, clear, knowledgable and exactly who you need up front.
sounded stressed to me
Nah, she sounds stressed, she made a couple of mistakes that ATC caught and she was running her mouth in several of the comms.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or The mix up of 13l 13r was the correct readback of an error by ATC, no harm they both picked it quickly.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or don't take your divorce out on her man
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Lots of communication. All very professional and polite. Very reassuring to hear. It's professionalism like this that helps make modern aviation so safe.
Well done from the pilots and ATC here. Heading to Republic in a few weeks, excited to join a great airline!
Damn great comms from approach verifying missed replies.
Sounds like it was a busy cockpit
@@justinbecker4772 agreed, flying, running check list, notifying crew and passengers of diversion, etc
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Cool as a cucumber. Well done pilots!
Super communication.
After seeing several videos of very poor communication between ATC and pilots, it is very nice to see a video of exemplary communication between the parties. Kudos to the controllers and the crew.
That crew handled her business. Sounded like the pilot talk was one step ahead of the emergency the whole way through. Excellent job.
Legend has it that Brickyard 5591 is still "just finishing up the checklist" to this day.
well they don't really teach kids how to read anymore so checklists are a struggle, but in all seriousness, the lawyers and engineers need to simplify this
@@Hokieredneck
Lol.I always think who is going to fly those planes in the future when I see kids on their phones all the time which definitely affect eye sight,never mind that most of them smoke pot.
Very professionally handled.
No, not really.
Brickyard 5591suddenly got high-fidelity audio when they switched over to Tower on final! (I know, it's just the vagaries of radio signal strength and the equipment being used to record and stream, I just thought it was funny)
Brickyard has to be the coolest callsign in the us
It is named after the Indianapolis Speedway, nicknamed “The Brickyard.” Republic Airways HQ is in Indy.
Dragster is pretty good as well, Kalitta Charters out of Michigan.
I was on an AA Embraer 175 that had a precautionary landing 2 weeks ago. You could feel that the pilots were struggling, but kept their cool. They let us know emergency would be on the ground waiting. I was in the front seat, and made sure to thank them on the way out. When I had to fly home a few days later they told me it was a hydraulic problem and had to take the plane out of service. It’s never boring flying for work!😊
I'm a little concerned that they only gave the souls and fuel on board once. Isn't it SOP to have to give the info several times???
😂
No
Well done all around!
Girls at work, handling the emergency like a pro.
Learn something new everyday. I thought 22R was way longer than 22L, but I guess 22R has a long displaced threshold. Go figure.
P.S. I just looked it up. Runway 22R is 12,079 with a displaced threshold of 3,425, leaving 8,654 for landing. That’s still longer than 8,400 22L. So unless my numbers are wrong, the controller was incorrect, although it’s only a difference of 254 feet.
Correct. And she missed it when she asked for 22R. Thankfully ATC corrected her but she sounded agitated about that.
@@JohnSmith-zi9orlooking the weird threshold up for the divert airport when your most important hydraulic rail fails and you lose gear raise/lower and nose steering would hugely suck so I can't fault the pilot on that one
@@matthewhall5571 It isn't weird. Many runways have displaced thresholds. If you're wanting the longest distance available, you should look at the landing distance available, not runway length, like she did.
22R has 8,655’ available beyond the 3,424’ displaced threshold, but only 7,795’ of that is available for landing. 22L’s landing distance available of 8,400’ is better.
Which runway? Lol!
Quite a bit if discussion and then they both said 13L near the end - glad ATC listened to the readback!
Pilot: Straight in for 13R will work. ATC: RNAV Z take it or leave it :)
Unusually clear enunciation.
She sounds great to me! Very clear and professional.
your graphics are all wrong... you had Brickyard 5591 set up on about a 040 heading for the approach and landing
RNAV Z 13R is not a straight in approach. It is a 90 degree offset as shown, with a turn at the end.
Interesting as tower told RPA5591 to switch to 125.25 (which is normally for class B TCA traffic) instead of the usual 121.65.
Why do male NYC controllers always sound so annoyed?
@@GoofballFlyer Probably because it’s the busiest airspace in the U.S., and they’re understaffed.
Im seeing lots of coms and lots of red here. Although I say this was professionally handled I just think there was way too much radio traffic. As a pilot the last thing I need is ATC asking question after question and yanking me all over the sky. Please for Gods sake shut up and give those pilots time to handle their situation and checklists.
Is this basically the Canarsie approach during an emergency?
If you’re thinking of the crazy approach with the sharp turn on short final, then no. The Canarsie approach takes you to 13L, not 13R.
The RNAV Z 13R and 13L are "basically" fully GPS based versions of the old VOR approaches to the same runways.
22L is longer than 22R for *landing* aircraft.
Is there a longer checklist than Hydraulic 2 failure? That checklist took a long time to complete.
Might have been checklists for the gear stuck down and/or verifying down
It’s because you not only have the checklist items for verifying that Hydraulic System 2 is indeed out of fluid, but you also have to compute all landing numbers by hand (normally you would get landing performance automatically via ACARS) since now you have only half the braking power. Then they have to notify dispatch that they’re diverting, notify the Flight Attendants of the issue and any brave instructions or possibility of evacuation, and then notifying the passengers. That’s why it took so long.
@Southwest737 that is correct.. system 2 fluid controls land gear nose wheel steering and engine #2 reverse . So qrh covers lots of landing and performance considerations
I'm impressed with how the pilot remains calm, but why do so many pilots in trouble refer vaguely to a "problem." It'd be just as easy to say "hydraulic problem." In this case the controllers did good asking her for specifics and making clear what runway was the longest.
Mostly because the first alert we get may not be the root problem, or we may not be aware of just how bad the problem is. There's a big difference between a sensor error and a loss of hydraulic fluid.
Hell, I thought the female pilot was also the female ATC base on how their voices sounded 😂
They sound nothing alike.
@@llaughridge it was a joke, so lighten up Francis.
And yes, I know your name is not Francis, since you'd probably point out that it isn't.
And yes, their voices do sound similar.
If you listen to tapes, many females sound alike- The FAA off facility radios notch out a portion of the spectrum to insert radio control messages on the same telephone circuit and it destroys some of the uniqueness of everyone's voice, but more so with female voices. Delta pilots used to be convinced FAA used better radios in terminal vs enroute environment, When Atlanta consolidated its TRACON into Peachtree City, the pilots said the new TRACON got center radios and kept the good ones for the tower.
On these crowd sourced recordings, you will hear the effect only on the ATCS voice (and only if it's a center or consolidated TRACON controller).
Their voices sound not at all alike.
"you can see ATC"...must be for deaf pilots
I bet she got lots of jokes about her inability to get important gear up.
This one goes to ATC only because that cockpit sounded a bit uncoordinated. Play the CVR for that flight. I'd be interested in hearing that😊
didn't realize there was a competition involved?
idk what's leading you to believe uncoordinated cockpit. for all the tasks required such as go-around, the direct troubleshooting checklist, the modified landing checklist, a diversion, comms with atc company crew and pax, everything seemed confident and cohesive from my listen
edi: slightest nitpick for 'declare an emergency' instead of 'pan-pan', but otherwise seemed professional throughout
Pan pan gives you nothing. No protection, no priority handling. Declaring emergency is free and it only cost a bit of paperwork. I’ve had ATC declare an emergency for me because I wanted to troubleshoot possible issue with the gear.
Also as a note things they lost with sys 2 hydraulic fluid was: inboard elevator, inboard ailerons, eng 2 reverser, the left ground spoiler, a multi function spoiler on the right wing, the inboard brakes, and nose wheel steering. They effectively lost half of their controls as well as half of the stopping ability. This is absolutely an emergency situation
@@Soleniae She made several errors in request the longest runway. ATC suggested the longest runway, she wanted to quibble about it. She also had some rambling going on and how many times do you need to request speed our discretion or tell ATC we need to run a long checklist, which by the ways tells them nothing. Tell them what you need. Example, we need 10 more minutes. ATC can work with that.
@@chastindean Everything you said about PANs is wrong. PANs are an emergency. They have the same call requirements (fuel in minutes, souls onboard, intentions etc.etc) as maydays. Maydays are for aircraft in distress and PANs are for urgent situations. The AIM is your friend bro.
@Soleniae they flip flopped on the comms and at times sounded excited