We modern people often project our ideological abstractions onto the past. Religion as practiced in the past was not theologically pure, as they weren't modern fundamentalists. For example, some ancient Jews referred to their God as 'Zeus-Yahweh'. Both Zeus and Yahweh were high gods. To many ancients, there were more similarities than not.
@@000-t3c-i5u - If you look at early Christianity, it was extraordinarily diverse. In many ways, far more diverse than anything seen in modern Christianity, in particular mainline Christianity. On nearly every major theological issue, early Christians couldn't agree. Considering how diverse Christianity was right from the start makes one wonder if it wasn't originally a single religion but a syncretism of numerous religions. I wonder even if it would've been recognizably different at all from the similar salvific godmen cults.
Sirs,please note that persia had zorastrian monotheistic religion independent of abrahmic religions with Ahur Mazda as its God and worship of Fire(in Agiyari temples).
If you ask them who created the heavens and earth, they are sure to say, ‘Allah.’ Say, ‘Praise belongs to Allah,’ but most of them do not understand. (31:25) It's just a matter of definition tbh.
Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael the son of Abraham, so yes initially they were indeed monotheistic but with time they started to deviate from the original teachings of prophet Abraham & Ishmael and they took other deities along with Allah. Or started associating the partners with ALLAH, but as you go backwards in history you will see that shirk/polytheism will get less and less predominant among Arabs. Because earlier they were also monotheistic. So what he is referring to as the rise of Monotheism in pre-Islamic Arabia, that was actually a decline of Monotheism. He is just reading a declining graph backwards, that's why it seems like the graph is rising.
The gods mentioned in Q. 71:23 all existed roughly around the Quran's time in Arabia and are attested from that time archeologically. The Quranic writer is creating narratives using material and ideas that circulated at the same time and place in history.
@@OmarFAlam Yes, Ibn al-Kalbi's Kitab al-Asnam/Book of Idols and epigraphic evidence for the existence of these gods, as noted in Ahmed al-Jallad's recent work and Aziz al-Azmeh's work on Islamic origins.
Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael the son of Abraham, so yes initially they were indeed monotheistic but with time they started to deviate from the original teachings of prophet Abraham & Ishmael and they took other deities along with Allah. Or started associating the partners with ALLAH, but as you go backwards in history you will see that shirk/polytheism will get less and less predominant among Arabs. Because earlier they were also monotheistic. So what you are referring to as the rise of Monotheism in pre-Islamic Arabia, that was actually a decline of Monotheism. You're just reading a declining graph 📉 backwards, that's why it seems like the graph is rising.
“they put crosses in the inscription “ meaning this is not just simply an Abrahamic monotheistic religion like many muhammedans are proudly saying just to appear valid and having affinity to the faith of Abraham thru Hagar the slave , it is Christianity😂
@@alhamdouyasuThe inscription with crosses was only found in "Duba tul jannah", he is not talking about all inscriptions having crosses on them, because some inscription are even pre-christianity. Secondly he said those inscriptions had name اللہ (Allah) or ال الہ (Al-ilah) everyone knows that polytheists didn't used these terms for their gods because this term was only used for THE GOD of Abraham, and ofcourse Abrahamic religions like Judaism or Christiany also used this term for GOD.
@@subhanyusha who says im talking about all the inscriptions abdool? Youre right pagan arabs / Ishmaelites have been worshipping the pagan deity al Ilah / Al’Lah even before muhammad was manhandled by a malevolent and stupid demon who told him to recite something he knows nothing about inside a cave……….
But Quran is not with context you must know judeo xtian stuff or use a Hadith to understand it. But Quran says it's clear in Arabic but the supposed smart slaves have failed to understand it as clear. Example .crucification and death of Jesus Three readings 1.was crucified then fainted taken off cross revived later 2.another was crucified Jesus taken to heaven 3.was crucified fainted then Allah took him 4.was crucified,died,buried,Allah raised him to himself. That's how clear Quran is in Arabic 1409 later
@@MakaiJohnkennethQuran says none of them, Quran just says: "And (they) said, ‘We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God.’ They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, though it was made to appear like that to them; those that disagreed about him are full of doubt, with no knowledge to follow, only supposition: they certainly did not kill him." (Quran 4:157) It just says it appeared to them that they killed him but ALLAH saved him, The purpose of verse is just to tell us that GOD saved him from being killed, The purpose of the verse is not to tell us HOW exactly did ALLAH save him. In whatever way GOD saved him, but the matter of fact is that he wasn't killed.
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I love Dr, Ahmed’ s accent he is very sweet person.
His diction is impeccable, but I can't place what has influenced it, beyond American English.
@@toomanymarys7355it’s Arabic/canadian I think
You're channel is freakin' awesome!!!!
But not the picture of Sira and Hadiths. This raises further questions on transmission under Abbasids
We modern people often project our ideological abstractions onto the past. Religion as practiced in the past was not theologically pure, as they weren't modern fundamentalists. For example, some ancient Jews referred to their God as 'Zeus-Yahweh'. Both Zeus and Yahweh were high gods. To many ancients, there were more similarities than not.
@@000-t3c-i5u - If you look at early Christianity, it was extraordinarily diverse. In many ways, far more diverse than anything seen in modern Christianity, in particular mainline Christianity. On nearly every major theological issue, early Christians couldn't agree.
Considering how diverse Christianity was right from the start makes one wonder if it wasn't originally a single religion but a syncretism of numerous religions. I wonder even if it would've been recognizably different at all from the similar salvific godmen cults.
Sirs,please note that persia had zorastrian monotheistic
religion independent of abrahmic religions with Ahur Mazda as its God and worship of Fire(in Agiyari temples).
They dont "worship of fire".
Monotheistic? The Kabaah was full of Idols with Al-Illah aka Allah as the supreme god who had three daughters.
If you ask them who created the heavens and earth, they are sure to say, ‘Allah.’ Say, ‘Praise belongs to Allah,’ but most of them do not understand. (31:25)
It's just a matter of definition tbh.
Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael the son of Abraham, so yes initially they were indeed monotheistic but with time they started to deviate from the original teachings of prophet Abraham & Ishmael and they took other deities along with Allah. Or started associating the partners with ALLAH, but as you go backwards in history you will see that shirk/polytheism will get less and less predominant among Arabs. Because earlier they were also monotheistic.
So what he is referring to as the rise of Monotheism in pre-Islamic Arabia, that was actually a decline of Monotheism. He is just reading a declining graph backwards, that's why it seems like the graph is rising.
allah 👈consists of 2 words 👉
Al = the & Laah = Moon 🌙
hence Allah means the Moon🌙 god
verdict final 👊👩⚖️
🌟♦️Question
If "Wad" relates to Yemen, how Quran associates that with Noah?
Thoughts?
Quran was born in a south Arabian context. See Daum 2015
The gods mentioned in Q. 71:23 all existed roughly around the Quran's time in Arabia and are attested from that time archeologically. The Quranic writer is creating narratives using material and ideas that circulated at the same time and place in history.
@@ziryabjamal Quran"s language itself and context is purely northen.
@@ConsideringPhlebas Is there any evidence that those idols existed around the time of the Quran?
@@OmarFAlam
Yes, Ibn al-Kalbi's Kitab al-Asnam/Book of Idols and epigraphic evidence for the existence of these gods, as noted in Ahmed al-Jallad's recent work and Aziz al-Azmeh's work on Islamic origins.
Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael the son of Abraham, so yes initially they were indeed monotheistic but with time they started to deviate from the original teachings of prophet Abraham & Ishmael and they took other deities along with Allah. Or started associating the partners with ALLAH, but as you go backwards in history you will see that shirk/polytheism will get less and less predominant among Arabs. Because earlier they were also monotheistic.
So what you are referring to as the rise of Monotheism in pre-Islamic Arabia, that was actually a decline of Monotheism. You're just reading a declining graph 📉 backwards, that's why it seems like the graph is rising.
“they put crosses in the inscription “ meaning this is not just simply an Abrahamic monotheistic religion like many muhammedans are proudly saying just to appear valid and having affinity to the faith of Abraham thru Hagar the slave , it is Christianity😂
@@alhamdouyasu so all arabs were christians before? 😂, you don't even know what are you talking about
@@subhanyusha of course not , some pagan arabs and Ishmalites worship Allah’s 3 daughters Manat , al Uzza & Al Lat😁………….
@@alhamdouyasuThe inscription with crosses was only found in "Duba tul jannah", he is not talking about all inscriptions having crosses on them, because some inscription are even pre-christianity. Secondly he said those inscriptions had name اللہ (Allah) or ال الہ (Al-ilah) everyone knows that polytheists didn't used these terms for their gods because this term was only used for THE GOD of Abraham, and ofcourse Abrahamic religions like Judaism or Christiany also used this term for GOD.
@@subhanyusha who says im talking about all the inscriptions abdool? Youre right pagan arabs / Ishmaelites have been worshipping the pagan deity al Ilah / Al’Lah even before muhammad was manhandled by a malevolent and stupid demon who told him to recite something he knows nothing about inside a cave……….
why are they laughing all the time?
To reflect prophetic character?
Because they are fascinated by the work they are doing and the potential impact it has on the scholarship of Quran and Arabian history.
Please read the Noble Quran and learn a lot more.
Nothing noble about this filth!!! I guess you don’t understand that Arabs being monotheists before Muhammad means Quran is false 😂
But Quran is not with context you must know judeo xtian stuff or use a Hadith to understand it.
But Quran says it's clear in Arabic but the supposed smart slaves have failed to understand it as clear.
Example .crucification and death of Jesus
Three readings
1.was crucified then fainted taken off cross revived later
2.another was crucified Jesus taken to heaven
3.was crucified fainted then Allah took him
4.was crucified,died,buried,Allah raised him to himself.
That's how clear Quran is in Arabic 1409 later
@@MakaiJohnkennethQuran says none of them, Quran just says:
"And (they) said, ‘We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God.’ They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, though it was made to appear like that to them; those that disagreed about him are full of doubt, with no knowledge to follow, only supposition: they certainly did not kill him." (Quran 4:157)
It just says it appeared to them that they killed him but ALLAH saved him, The purpose of verse is just to tell us that GOD saved him from being killed, The purpose of the verse is not to tell us HOW exactly did ALLAH save him.
In whatever way GOD saved him, but the matter of fact is that he wasn't killed.