@@willr7849 don’t think the Death Star was that useful, cause it’s presence only incentivized rebellion. Maybe a Star destroyer in each system with a few light cruisers could work. That would easily be possible if the Galactic civil war had not existed
In all reality, they should leave it alone until it prospers and regions join the republic of their own accord. Or another thought: Don't join the republic. the Republic was too big and would never function properly under any form of rule. The best action is basically many nations, but peacefully interacting.
Thrawn's strategy would have worked brilliantly here: Couple of light-cruisers per system, each with a dozen tie defenders. Resources saved; Order maintained
Also some of the saved recourse go right back into that planet. In otherwords it’s a sudo tax break for basic infrastructure, education and stability until the area gets civilized.
@@weldonwin that's the big problem as it seem that being unneccessary cruel and malicius is the SIOP of the Empire and if Lothal is a mere example of how much the Empire destroy a planet for his resources...well, no military option will stop planet to rebels as they will quickly come to a point were there is no other choice
The empire should strip mine un-inhabitable planets with world devastators for resources and build a massive fleet of picket ships to support their capital ships
I love how this could easily tie into how flawed palpatine/tarkin were about deathstar's being used to enforce their will on the galaxy, and how correct Thrawn was about light cruisers and starfighter superiority being the key. but then again Palpatine was from Naboo, basically privilege center, and Thrawn was from beyond the outer rim. Thrawn didn't have such an elitist, core-world centric thinking like palpatine and Tarkin did. Which is ironic since Thrawn is from his own super elitist society in the "unknown" regions. of course he disagreed with his own leaders and peers pretty often too.
We must dispatch an army to defend those territories immediately! I suggest the Humano-Automaton 5th Legion and subsidiary Battalions, they’ve got experience in that area of the Galaxy...
@@lord2.0works ah, yes... in case of any of _those_ beasties, we should send a Battalion of Scuba Troopers for boarding actions. Good point, Commander!
@@lord2.0works would you be willing to head the operation? Commander Valor was killed whilst defending the Shipyards of Berradon... *(RIP Commander Valor; 1902 - 2020. You might be missed)*
And where you find so much people that want to go in such place? Especially if they need to totally rebuilt them? Found poors, workers and others to fill the place? Sure, no problem...but it will simple buy time and the cycle will restast a new quickly
@@lukedalton it's actually quite easy to find enough beings in the Core and Mid Rim as well as loyalist Outer Rim worlds to resettle the depopulated sectors. You could draw Sienar, KDY Subsidiaries, Galantro Heavy Works and other corporations to invest in the Outer Rim through lucrative tax reduction in those areas, much like Grand Moff Ardus Kaine did with Entralla and the New Territories pre and post Endor. Having resources come from the Rim, but luxury, manufacture and refined products come from the Core would create a symbiotic rather than parasitic relationship between the different regions. By wiping out the previous inhabitants you make room for your own, encourage migration and lessen the strain on your military needing to maintain order at all times against resentful natives and locals. A little inhumanity coupled with dispassionate efficiency goes a long way.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 no, in reality is not so easy. The only one that will be easy to recruit from the Core and Mid Rim will be the poor (as usual) and that are hardly loyalist, so the cycle will continue. Sure someone of the loyalist will leave the nice luxury of home for adventure but not in the number requested. The big corporations will be wary of invest there, they will be forced to basically rebuild everything and all the workforce need to be imported...all that add the cost, plus ravaged planet are less nice than pristine one
@@lukedalton you forget that there's a significant middle class in the Core and Rim that actively did resettle throughout the Empire's tenure. Between creating a property rush by freeing up real estate by wiping out the locals in systematic genocide, granting the holdings to those immigrating and sponsoring the migration through the Imperial Military offering retirements and benefits to resettlement of families you create an entire bedrock of loyalist citizens that owe their livelihood and homes specifically to the Empire and give them a vested interest in the continued survival of said Empire. To ship goods to the Outer Rim in exchange for resources for the Core creates a revolving economic system of trade and cultural link. By removing the natives you don't have to force integration, you're putting People, specifically humans that identify with the Empire there in place of a myriad of local wild aliens and bandits that have a history of being disagreeable. Even the aspect of using the poor from the Core actively ties their fortunes to that of the Empire. It was quite effectively done in the real world through examples like Manifest Destiny, the Mongolian Horde, and countless other Imperialist expansions throughout history that wiped out the locals and assimilated or bred out the remnants. Yes, morally, it's quite monstrous, but it's quite efficient.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 one thing is resettle in place with at least some civilization like Lothal, another is emigrate in place you need to rebuild from scratch...trust me, it's not a middle class thing. Second, the moment you start this brilliant plan of systematic genocide, you get massive rebellion in all the Outerrim that will left the planet even more devastated and so a lot less desirable for anyone with the possibility of choose. Manifest Destiny is not a good example, the poor used will be just the next slave as this is the usual modus operandi of the Empire, any loyalty to the EMpire will soon disappear and the rebellion will start again
Good take on the urban vs rural aspect. With guns here in the US, hearing police sirens all day or having your nearest neighbor bee 6 miles away will certainly shift your viewpoint.
From personal experience I can say that no matter how good or profitable idea you have, someone else and your enemies have already thought about that years ago and have already done everything they could to make sure the ideas you presented would never happen. Crime organizations, corporations, or simply rich guys made sure the Republic would be as corrupted and incompetent as possible. Its one of precs of democracy that you can pull stunt like that and it does matter if one idealistyczna senator from Naboo keeps whining about inequality and people being mean to others. Its one of the reasons I love Star wars, they are relatable to Real life. Not literally but you get what I mean.
As far as boots on the ground, as well as colonization...what about the battle droid factories? Take enough of them, you could produce battle droids to fix some of the policing issues, and refit some of the factories to create droids for the colonization and resource collection process.
I can see that working in the short term but sadly, as much as i love the CIS droids, they are littered with problems. I'll be referring to the B1 battle droid as a example for a cheap mass produced possible police droid for your standard outer rim settler due to their lower cost per droid and how easy it is for mass production. The AI is rather stupid for stock configurations (true, they could be reprogrammed but that can also be a detriment with how crafty some pirates can be), too easy for your common pirate to destroy, and can easily be shut down with a EMP. I'll agree they would be good getting settled in until a proper police force can be formed. Droids I see more as a band aid rather than a permanent solution.
It needs to be more compartmentalization. Have each sector run its own rules, and break things down level by level. A powerful military at the central level is necessary, to allow for unbiased distribution of forces and resources, while unique laws and rights ought to be balanced at the planetary level.
Hey Allen or either Bens. Can you make a playlist of every video that talks about dolphins? No one understands the problem with the dolphin menece and the thrreat we are facing. It would be a great teaching opportunity
0:44 'There's something beautiful about finding and claiming unspoiled lands and having the freedom to do whatever you want with it' *then proceeds to show soldiers gunning down natives* Very subtle.
Just a reminder, that there were civilized worlds in the outer rim, that could rival the core. Naboo was a center of culture and art, Muunilist was a major financial hub and Taris (Before getting bombed to hell by the Sith) was a City-World like Coruscant. Whole civilizations already existed out there, so it was hardly this empty expanse, just waiting for colonists from the Core to come and tame it in some kind of Galactic Manifest Destiny
My thoughts exactly! calling it empty is exactly like European colonizers calling the "New World" empty, and ripe for the taking. extremely bigoted thinking. but then, Allen is very Human-centric. lol.
@@jonashammond498 yes, yes, i agree. the outer rim was only the frontier to bigoted core worlders. they actually had just as much going on, if not more than the core worlds. All this points to the reasons Dooku's Confederate systems split was so popular.
I absolutely love this channel! You dive into real-world situations and tackle real issues while also bring it all back over to star wars which keeps it interesting and engaging. keep up the good work!
I hear the Fins also love their firearms (and especially long range shooting). Similar thing with the Swiss (gee I wonder why they haven't been invaded in hundreds of years).
@@MindForgedManacle Because a huge number of gun laws don't do what the sound-byte summary would lead people to believe. If you ask someone "should we ban assault rifles?" you will get a lot of agreement...but what you didn't say is that the bill defines ALL semi-automatic rifles as "assault rifles" when all real assault rifles (using the technical/military definition) have already been heavily restricted since 1934, and banned for civilian production since 1986. (In the US) (Go look up the Washington State laws for more info) So, while people think they might be talking about AK-47s, they are also restricting .22LR target rifles.
@@MindForgedManacle Polling is skewed in the current time period due to the growing number of (typically right-leaning) people who won't talk to pollsters. Polls specifically state "share of respondents who didn't offer an answer not shown." Also, the incredibly vague wording can lead to misunderstanding among those polled. Someone could be in favor of more gun laws in one area, but less gun laws in another area. In college, we were taught to be as specific as possible with polls. Vaguely worded questionnaires wouldn't even be graded. Polls could even be targeted towards specific populations and claim even distribution. All of that is before we get into a foundational debate such as gun laws.
Ironically this won't be a problem in our galaxy. Since the inner core region of our galaxy is considered uninhabitable. El Monstro (the nick name for the super massive black hole in the center of our galaxy) has pulled too many large stars too close together. Some suspect that planetary systems near the core are constantly ripped apart as solar systems literally pass through each other. Meaning most if not a great many of the planets in the core are rouge planets. So for us, the spiral arms seem to be the most habitable parts of our galaxy. Eventual colonization will probably follow the arms out, rather than blocks of or rings of space as in Star Wars.
My opinion, I think that Gardening, Hunting, Tracking, and Carpentry are key skills to teach as a basic class throw courses over a certain period of time for each individual to do at their own pace. Just a thought
Michael Thayer hace 2 meses Was expecting star wars, instead got a US civics lesson, shows the timelessness of the stories the universe tells I guess. Yep, this young man is impressed with himself. Gives us followers bonus stuff.
All rights have restrictions and limitations, and yes, infringements. If you don't think so, please proceed to commit libel or slander against public figures and make that argument in court for freedom of speech. 🤨 I own guns, and am fine with the restrictions mentioned (which are background checks). But this isn't a real argument.
@@jesupcolt Not because I declare it, I gave an example: That standard doesn't apply to any right, with my example being how even freedom of speech being limited by various laws (e.g. libel and slander laws, for one). If even that right has legal limitations, there's no principled way to say the 2nd isn't limited either.
@@MindForgedManacle, you're just asserting that "there's no principled way to say the 2nd isn't limited," without actually offering any reasoning. You simply made a flawed comparison to free speech, which slander and libel is actually very hard to prove, especially against public figures.
@@jesupcolt Wait wait, how can you say I offered no reason and then give the reasoning I gave? You can say it's flawed, but libel and slander being hard to prove doesn't make it flawed, it just borders on common sense to not make them too easy lest abuse becomes common. But there are other limitations as well, some spelled out by the supreme court, and others common sense (you can't issue threats on people's lives or property). It's hard to fail a background check too, and it's a more minor limitation than libel laws for sure. Your original claim was there is no infringement, but now you admit that there is one that's just special and doesn't count. You see what I mean? No principled stance here.
@@viktornapolitano6113 true both suck conceptually your just either grew up there or you think only 8 cities rivers lakes and mountains for miles is cool
Id just back some worlds and have them conquer the rim. Form a few vassal states the are locals. Establish as fair trade deals,as possibke between them and my empire.
I wish there’s a city builder game of the outer rims. Problems of logistics and supplies with unsecured hyperspace lane from pirates and the planet pirates. Federal and local military presence to help with the security and allowing trade to run its course without local pirates interrupting.
@@melelconquistador just a couple months ago I got rimworld and the ideology dlc. My idealistic free colony became more productive when I have a slave… because prisoners takes too long to convert and feed. So.. debuff for everyone
The Gateways made the Outer Rim like the Core Worlds.... Mountains were raised on Kamino, Tatooine was terraformed into a Lush Eden, and the Unknown Regions Has It's first 14 major Colonies... Star Wars A Galaxy Far Far Away, and a Next-generation.
I'd always figured the best solution would be to encourage a number of minor regional governments to rise up based on common creed, economic interest or space-geography. Then use military force (the empire's favorite kind) to subjugate them and force them into perpetual tributary/protectorate status. The only danger with that is that eventually one of those blocs may get powerful enough to start growing...
I have a feeling the force has something to do with this. Lots of Outer Rim planets have a strong association with the dark side. Tatooine and Kashyyyk were stormed by the Rakata Empire, the Hutts are the appitimy of the dark side’s selfishness, and Korriban and Malachor are the foundries of the Sith.
Disney should have just done their own thing from the start. Look how popular The Mandalorian is. They've even tied it back to things that were adjacent to the films with Ahsoka and Bo Katan rather well. Even that brief Luke Skywalker cameo was amazing... but a lot of us are just sitting here dreading the day they might connect it to the sequels. And you're right, the Outer Rim would have been the perfect setting. You could literally tell any kind of story you wanted. Old West style, horror, comedy, slice of life, sitcom (that might be a bit weird, but why not?). Anything. But instead they rehashed the OT and killed off our favorite characters and replaced them with... Rey. Finn was cool, but what they did to him was insulting. Poe was almost good, but they dropped the ball with him almost as badly.
For three seconds after 5:53 I noticed a still of a state legislature area and I looked it up, it is the room where Oregon’s House of Representatives meets.
It's unresolvable problem: there's always a frontier. Though the overall amount of forces of space state grows faster than surface of frontier, time that necessary to get forces to the place of unrest is increasing. It's unnecessary and impossible to expand state beyound certain size.
And really the argument is moot anyway as if you dont want to something into your home fine that's your business, even if you and your neighbors agree you dont want it in your town fine. The problem is when you decide you want to demand people in the next town, country, or state over follow YOUR ideas because it benefits you and ignore their wills. Be it firearms, trade, immigration or anything else. That is a large part of the problem the US is having now...
@@Awrethien That's not a realistic point of view though. Your home is yours sure, but anything that you're doing which affects other people outside of it (whether inherently, through negligence or else intentionally) is likely to be subject to laws because they didn't choose for you to do that to them. That's one of the main reasons for having rules or a society at all. If we're taking the gun example, I own a gun. But anyone telling me that living in an apartment with a gun is a-OK and has no possible problems that justifies limiting that is out of their mind. This applies to even less lethal stuff as well, of course. I don't want the person upstairs to blast music at 3am.
@@MindForgedManacle I was being broad on purpose, because I wasn't getting into anything specific, and you completely missed the point I was making. Lets go with your music example. If the town you live in wants to ban music after say 9pm and you all vote for it, that's all on you. But you cant then go and demand people out in the country who don't live in your town, or try to force people in a smaller town who has a concert hall to follow your laws. There may be a few who like it, but if you go to the county or state and force your standards onto them, most are going to be pissed. Some gun laws make sense in larger urban areas, but are pointless in rural ones. Open trade laws helps coastal urban areas, but hurt domestic industry that is usually more rural. Immigration policy as it is now in many different ways help urban areas, but hurt rural ones, and one of them is the "We have more people, so do was we want!"...
@@Awrethien I don't think that's a good comparison. Noise issues like that are handled by city ordinances, which by definition don't apply to people in other cities. But if I wanted that or any other law to apply broadly, I would go via state means, which would affect people in the country. Of course, this would never be applied to something like banning all music, I think that example is to obviously bad and unworkable for a comparison in my opinion.
Overstep on gun laws: I would disagree, but I understand the thinking regarding firepower limitations in urban areas. But seeing any possession as a negative denies reality. Urban areas are where decent folks are even more immediately threatened.
Just leave it me, and I will handle it soundly. A single, full-strength Imperial superiority fleet in sector centers, and local collaborationist governments on individual planets, will keep costs down. This will also allow stability, and later trade to appear.
I wonder if the outer rim is even tamable...in star wars ideology there is always this recurring theme of balance in the force, that for everything light there must be darkness, so if the core is prosperous, "safe" and harmonious, maybe the outer rim has to be violent, chaotic and lawless, for the balance to persist?
The outer rim should have beef grouped up by regions like states, each state would be required to have a standing military that was under control of the head of the region during peace time but under the chancellor during times of war. This military force would be in charge of trade routes and planet security. Each region would have its own Senate the same way states have their own governments.
“Do as you please without corporate oversight” you must not have heard of British Honduras Conpany, East India Company, The Hudson Trading Company, West Indian Company. Imperial endeavors are capitalist endeavors filled with oversight for profit.
yup. that doesn't even get into the Monroe Doctrine, Truman Doctrine, or Bush Doctrine of using military force and oppression to control trade and commerce in more modern contexts. I mean, Smedly Butler wrote the book War is a Racket in like...1931(approx). it's all about how his entire career in the Marine Corps was fighting corporate wars in latin america. these aren't secrets. they're literally american doctrine.
6:40 Translation: people who are safe and don't need guns think that guns are bad and nobody should have guns, whereas people who are not as safe as them want guns becasue they need them to protect themselves and know how bad things can get when you can't defend yourself. Same happens with free-speech and freedom.
Ironically, a semi-feudal approach may well be the best option here. At its core, the feudal system was about decentralisation and delegation. Rather than the king being directly responsible for the safety and protection of every single person in the land, trusted lords were granted stewardship of certain lands. They gained the right to tax people on that land, and in exchange they were obliged to protect them and support the central government. Something similar could work in the Outer Rim. Don't try to secure every world out there. Instead, pick a single world - preferably one that already has a decent level of infrastructure - and invest heavily in it. Build up infrastructure and industry. Establish a shipyard. Plot hyper routes all around it. Base a small fleet (one star destroyer, several light cruisers, a few squadrons of hyper-capable fighters) there. And make it into a local capital world. Make it responsible for the protection and development of, say, fifty worlds around it. Establish a local sector government, with each of those fifty worlds sending, say, one or two representatives. The investment is the key part. By investing in the world and building up infrastructure, you incentivise the local population to want stability, and you give them the tools they need to create that stability. And once you've got that local stability, it will spread to other worlds who want the same thing.
In any polity the far off regions away from the centers of power. In this case the Core. Will always be hard to maintain order in for the simple reason of it being hard to reach quickly and power tending to concentrate upward as a polity grows.
Did Alan imply that the gun divide is because you can’t shoot a gun in a city because the population is so dense that the bullet would most likely hit somebody you weren’t intending to? And inversely, that rural areas need guns to hunt? That’s barely the base level of reasoning
all planets have their own senator; in every star system there are 1-50 senators; 1 person is votet to be the representative of that system; there are 100.000 to 200.000 thousand systems (or even more) that i would put in groups of 25 to 100, which means there are 25 to 100 representatives (who are also senators); these senators can vote another representative that is going to be on the senate of coruscant, 2.000 to 8.000 senators, I know it is a lot of politicians, but if they people of millions of systems want to feel represented, then I think that system could work, I know that this slows it down, but it keeps them at peace and also loyal to the republic. It is just one factor, but it is also a huge factor, and I think the work behind it is worth the effort. If they knwo they are represented in the Senate, they are happier and more productive and if they get what they need, like security, stability and all the other stuff the live a good life, then the problem should solve it much faster than the gorments did in the past 25.000 years.... I know that there is much potentzial (potentcial?) for corruption, but I think that there is a way to build some system that it makes nearly impossible to do some corrupt thing, even though a senator might be corrupt, if he has no way to enforce the things he get paid by ohters hten all is safe.
I think the primary reason the free trade zone didn’t work out is because it wasn’t really a free trade zone. It was a free trade zone with no government. So, effectively, after the free trade zone was announced, the republic had no control whatsoever over the outer rim. Had they declared a free trade zone, but still enforced laws, it would have worked. Had they given the land directly to the corporate interests, but heavily taxed them as a method of getting their wealth back, it would have worked as well. The Romans in the early empire had a similar system that, while extremely corrupt, did an excellent job of taxing and administering a massive territory. What they did was send out surveyors to see how much tax revenue an area would produce, and then they would have wealthy politicians bid for the right to collect taxes in the region, and pay the senate up front.
Ignore the 1st 9 minutes. Stabilize the area by providing economic opportunity and security by creating unobtrusive and equal laws carried out by native law enforcement.With political representation and government investment the outer rim could’ve thrived but that would’ve increased cost of living for those in Core who depended on cheap raw materials and cheaper immigration from the Outer Rim. Also America didn’t have a lot of free and empty land for colonists and homesteaders to take. The Natives in many cases were forced off their land.
Another way they could have control the outer rim was to allow people to make a separate government while the republic handles the core to the mid rim a second government would keep the outer rim secure
This seems to the reasoning behind the High Republic storyline they have just started. I have been enjoying the Darth Vader series of comics but it is kind of getting crowded setting things in the same timeline as the original trilogy and shoehorning in new characters.
i would have divided the space into sectoirs gave them their senete that send 1 their senators to the main senete which would both give more people in the outter rim more say and smallen the main senete to make it more effective
“They should leave the outer rim alone, if the Empire couldn’t tame it what makes the New Republic think they can?”
-Greef Karga
Everybody thinks they know what's best.
If the empire wasn't fighting the rebels they would have had more success, especially once the death star came into the picture
@@willr7849 don’t think the Death Star was that useful, cause it’s presence only incentivized rebellion. Maybe a Star destroyer in each system with a few light cruisers could work. That would easily be possible if the Galactic civil war had not existed
In all reality, they should leave it alone until it prospers and regions join the republic of their own accord. Or another thought: Don't join the republic. the Republic was too big and would never function properly under any form of rule. The best action is basically many nations, but peacefully interacting.
Damn I must have watched the wrong movies and cartoon series lol.
Thrawn's strategy would have worked brilliantly here: Couple of light-cruisers per system, each with a dozen tie defenders.
Resources saved; Order maintained
Also some of the saved recourse go right back into that planet. In otherwords it’s a sudo tax break for basic infrastructure, education and stability until the area gets civilized.
@ok! Deadpoppin Also, not being mindlessly cruel and malicious helps
@@weldonwin that's the big problem as it seem that being unneccessary cruel and malicius is the SIOP of the Empire and if Lothal is a mere example of how much the Empire destroy a planet for his resources...well, no military option will stop planet to rebels as they will quickly come to a point were there is no other choice
Tarkington doctrine in reverse
The empire should strip mine un-inhabitable planets with world devastators for resources and build a massive fleet of picket ships to support their capital ships
The outer rim is in my opinion one the most interesting things in starwars and it would be cool to see it expanded upon in the future
The Mandalorian is mostly outer rim stuff so I think you are getting your wish
A large amount of the clone wars happens in the outer rim.
I'd like to see a bit more about the unknown regions, you know were Thrawn comes from
@@GF-db9fv yeah
What about Unknown Regions?
I would suggest the Empire leave, and give control of the outer rim to me, Hondo Ohnaka.
That could work for that false Imperium.
That effort would be profitable
Hondo will have done a much better work than the Empire.
VIVA LA HONDO!!!!!!
So long as you don’t attack a group of younglings again. Let’s take that piracy and turn it into pure libertarian anarcho-capitalism
You can always build a few Death Stars and "solve" the problem, no Outer Rim lawless if there ain't a Outer Rim anymore.
True... But it just gets rid of so many resources that the idea of blowing up planets as a threat never made any sense.
Aw yes the floor is made out of floor
And now u have a kill streak of a few quadrilon
That would effect the orbit of the entire galaxy significantly.
Ah yes the american solution
I love how this could easily tie into how flawed palpatine/tarkin were about deathstar's being used to enforce their will on the galaxy, and how correct Thrawn was about light cruisers and starfighter superiority being the key. but then again Palpatine was from Naboo, basically privilege center, and Thrawn was from beyond the outer rim. Thrawn didn't have such an elitist, core-world centric thinking like palpatine and Tarkin did.
Which is ironic since Thrawn is from his own super elitist society in the "unknown" regions. of course he disagreed with his own leaders and peers pretty often too.
So it's true, space dolphins are trying to take over the Outer Rim!
We must dispatch an army to defend those territories immediately! I suggest the Humano-Automaton 5th Legion and subsidiary Battalions, they’ve got experience in that area of the Galaxy...
@@patchworkfellow Not to mention a dolphin space probe! (like that whale probe in Star Trek the Voyage Home)
@@lord2.0works ah, yes... in case of any of _those_ beasties, we should send a Battalion of Scuba Troopers for boarding actions. Good point, Commander!
@@lord2.0works would you be willing to head the operation? Commander Valor was killed whilst defending the Shipyards of Berradon...
*(RIP Commander Valor; 1902 - 2020. You might be missed)*
@@patchworkfellow It will be done my lord. *Long Live the Empire!*
Follow the example of Danetta Pitta in Legends. Can't have a rebellious population if there's not a population. Then resettle with loyalists.
And where you find so much people that want to go in such place? Especially if they need to totally rebuilt them? Found poors, workers and others to fill the place? Sure, no problem...but it will simple buy time and the cycle will restast a new quickly
@@lukedalton it's actually quite easy to find enough beings in the Core and Mid Rim as well as loyalist Outer Rim worlds to resettle the depopulated sectors. You could draw Sienar, KDY Subsidiaries, Galantro Heavy Works and other corporations to invest in the Outer Rim through lucrative tax reduction in those areas, much like Grand Moff Ardus Kaine did with Entralla and the New Territories pre and post Endor. Having resources come from the Rim, but luxury, manufacture and refined products come from the Core would create a symbiotic rather than parasitic relationship between the different regions. By wiping out the previous inhabitants you make room for your own, encourage migration and lessen the strain on your military needing to maintain order at all times against resentful natives and locals. A little inhumanity coupled with dispassionate efficiency goes a long way.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 no, in reality is not so easy. The only one that will be easy to recruit from the Core and Mid Rim will be the poor (as usual) and that are hardly loyalist, so the cycle will continue. Sure someone of the loyalist will leave the nice luxury of home for adventure but not in the number requested. The big corporations will be wary of invest there, they will be forced to basically rebuild everything and all the workforce need to be imported...all that add the cost, plus ravaged planet are less nice than pristine one
@@lukedalton you forget that there's a significant middle class in the Core and Rim that actively did resettle throughout the Empire's tenure. Between creating a property rush by freeing up real estate by wiping out the locals in systematic genocide, granting the holdings to those immigrating and sponsoring the migration through the Imperial Military offering retirements and benefits to resettlement of families you create an entire bedrock of loyalist citizens that owe their livelihood and homes specifically to the Empire and give them a vested interest in the continued survival of said Empire. To ship goods to the Outer Rim in exchange for resources for the Core creates a revolving economic system of trade and cultural link. By removing the natives you don't have to force integration, you're putting People, specifically humans that identify with the Empire there in place of a myriad of local wild aliens and bandits that have a history of being disagreeable. Even the aspect of using the poor from the Core actively ties their fortunes to that of the Empire. It was quite effectively done in the real world through examples like Manifest Destiny, the Mongolian Horde, and countless other Imperialist expansions throughout history that wiped out the locals and assimilated or bred out the remnants. Yes, morally, it's quite monstrous, but it's quite efficient.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 one thing is resettle in place with at least some civilization like Lothal, another is emigrate in place you need to rebuild from scratch...trust me, it's not a middle class thing. Second, the moment you start this brilliant plan of systematic genocide, you get massive rebellion in all the Outerrim that will left the planet even more devastated and so a lot less desirable for anyone with the possibility of choose. Manifest Destiny is not a good example, the poor used will be just the next slave as this is the usual modus operandi of the Empire, any loyalty to the EMpire will soon disappear and the rebellion will start again
Good take on the urban vs rural aspect. With guns here in the US, hearing police sirens all day or having your nearest neighbor bee 6 miles away will certainly shift your viewpoint.
From personal experience I can say that no matter how good or profitable idea you have, someone else and your enemies have already thought about that years ago and have already done everything they could to make sure the ideas you presented would never happen. Crime organizations, corporations, or simply rich guys made sure the Republic would be as corrupted and incompetent as possible. Its one of precs of democracy that you can pull stunt like that and it does matter if one idealistyczna senator from Naboo keeps whining about inequality and people being mean to others.
Its one of the reasons I love Star wars, they are relatable to Real life. Not literally but you get what I mean.
As far as boots on the ground, as well as colonization...what about the battle droid factories? Take enough of them, you could produce battle droids to fix some of the policing issues, and refit some of the factories to create droids for the colonization and resource collection process.
I can see that working in the short term but sadly, as much as i love the CIS droids, they are littered with problems. I'll be referring to the B1 battle droid as a example for a cheap mass produced possible police droid for your standard outer rim settler due to their lower cost per droid and how easy it is for mass production. The AI is rather stupid for stock configurations (true, they could be reprogrammed but that can also be a detriment with how crafty some pirates can be), too easy for your common pirate to destroy, and can easily be shut down with a EMP. I'll agree they would be good getting settled in until a proper police force can be formed. Droids I see more as a band aid rather than a permanent solution.
The empire at war expansion has something like this, you get more droids in your army since they're non-aligned.
It needs to be more compartmentalization. Have each sector run its own rules, and break things down level by level. A powerful military at the central level is necessary, to allow for unbiased distribution of forces and resources, while unique laws and rights ought to be balanced at the planetary level.
Hey Allen or either Bens. Can you make a playlist of every video that talks about dolphins? No one understands the problem with the dolphin menece and the thrreat we are facing. It would be a great teaching opportunity
0:44 'There's something beautiful about finding and claiming unspoiled lands and having the freedom to do whatever you want with it'
*then proceeds to show soldiers gunning down natives*
Very subtle.
Just a reminder, that there were civilized worlds in the outer rim, that could rival the core. Naboo was a center of culture and art, Muunilist was a major financial hub and Taris (Before getting bombed to hell by the Sith) was a City-World like Coruscant. Whole civilizations already existed out there, so it was hardly this empty expanse, just waiting for colonists from the Core to come and tame it in some kind of Galactic Manifest Destiny
My thoughts exactly! calling it empty is exactly like European colonizers calling the "New World" empty, and ripe for the taking. extremely bigoted thinking. but then, Allen is very Human-centric. lol.
@@slavesforging5361 remember there are thousands of worlds in the outer rim. The planets you mentioned are outliers.
@@jonashammond498 yes, yes, i agree. the outer rim was only the frontier to bigoted core worlders. they actually had just as much going on, if not more than the core worlds. All this points to the reasons Dooku's Confederate systems split was so popular.
I absolutely love this channel! You dive into real-world situations and tackle real issues while also bring it all back over to star wars which keeps it interesting and engaging. keep up the good work!
I'm not sure if this is still canon, but the Senator from Naboo in the Galactic Republic represented 36 total planets.
Yes they were sector senators
was this palpatine? Im only asking because he was from Naboo and a former senator.
@@Bennahr_Fett I know for sure it was Padme, but because she succeeded Palps for senator I would assume that he too had 36 systems.
You mentioned guns which reminds me: in my little, rural town in Norway, our guns-per-person number is higher than in the US...
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Exactly.
I hear the Fins also love their firearms (and especially long range shooting). Similar thing with the Swiss (gee I wonder why they haven't been invaded in hundreds of years).
More guns than the US? I tip my fox-fur hat to ya, Nord!
Nice
Outer rim is basically ANCAP paradise. All you need is a ship, a blaster and good skills with both to succeed in whatever sketchy business you do.
One thing of note, old republic had once many military outpost worlds, like Ord Mantell and Ord Trasi. These in turn became core members of Republic.
I live in the outer rim. I'm glad to see my people get recognized in the media.
That gunlaw poll is misleading Alan.
In what way? The Pew poll and analysis seems fairly straightforward
@@MindForgedManacle Because a huge number of gun laws don't do what the sound-byte summary would lead people to believe. If you ask someone "should we ban assault rifles?" you will get a lot of agreement...but what you didn't say is that the bill defines ALL semi-automatic rifles as "assault rifles" when all real assault rifles (using the technical/military definition) have already been heavily restricted since 1934, and banned for civilian production since 1986. (In the US) (Go look up the Washington State laws for more info) So, while people think they might be talking about AK-47s, they are also restricting .22LR target rifles.
@@MindForgedManacle Polling is skewed in the current time period due to the growing number of (typically right-leaning) people who won't talk to pollsters. Polls specifically state "share of respondents who didn't offer an answer not shown." Also, the incredibly vague wording can lead to misunderstanding among those polled. Someone could be in favor of more gun laws in one area, but less gun laws in another area. In college, we were taught to be as specific as possible with polls. Vaguely worded questionnaires wouldn't even be graded. Polls could even be targeted towards specific populations and claim even distribution. All of that is before we get into a foundational debate such as gun laws.
@@SirHavok A liberal is someone who believes in liberty and the freedom of the individual.
@@SirHavok Well in my opinion we really should stop calling them liberals when they aren't very liberal.
Was expecting star wars, instead got a US civics lesson, shows the timelessness of the stories the universe tells I guess.
The Empire and the Republic should have made me in charge so I could enact a brand new New Deal. That surely would have fixed the outer rim !
You're a still alive?
@@nobleman9393 Yes I secretly have been alive for all these years !
Hes talking about solving the problems of the outer rim franky.
@@irrelevantchannel200 where
Repeal prohibition!
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J.J Abrams and Ryan Johnson: Hold my beer
i like how youre strategy is basically dont put all your eggs in one basket and test things on a small scale first
Ironically this won't be a problem in our galaxy. Since the inner core region of our galaxy is considered uninhabitable. El Monstro (the nick name for the super massive black hole in the center of our galaxy) has pulled too many large stars too close together. Some suspect that planetary systems near the core are constantly ripped apart as solar systems literally pass through each other. Meaning most if not a great many of the planets in the core are rouge planets. So for us, the spiral arms seem to be the most habitable parts of our galaxy. Eventual colonization will probably follow the arms out, rather than blocks of or rings of space as in Star Wars.
It is not surprising that Disney after failing to make their own mark on.... Disney??? Well that would be quite difficult, wouldn't it
He probably meant Disney leaving their mark on Star Wars.
I would like to see the Chiss Ascendancy take a more active role in managing the galaxy while Thrawn and Luke battle the Vong
My opinion, I think that Gardening, Hunting, Tracking, and Carpentry are key skills to teach as a basic class throw courses over a certain period of time for each individual to do at their own pace. Just a thought
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Was expecting star wars, instead got a US civics lesson, shows the timelessness of the stories the universe tells I guess.
Yep, this young man is impressed with himself. Gives us followers bonus stuff.
"52% of people believe in stricter..."
"Shall not be infringed."
All rights have restrictions and limitations, and yes, infringements. If you don't think so, please proceed to commit libel or slander against public figures and make that argument in court for freedom of speech. 🤨
I own guns, and am fine with the restrictions mentioned (which are background checks). But this isn't a real argument.
@@MindForgedManacle, "but this isn't a real argument." Because... you declare it so? That's not how that works, bubba.
@@jesupcolt Not because I declare it, I gave an example: That standard doesn't apply to any right, with my example being how even freedom of speech being limited by various laws (e.g. libel and slander laws, for one). If even that right has legal limitations, there's no principled way to say the 2nd isn't limited either.
@@MindForgedManacle, you're just asserting that "there's no principled way to say the 2nd isn't limited," without actually offering any reasoning. You simply made a flawed comparison to free speech, which slander and libel is actually very hard to prove, especially against public figures.
@@jesupcolt Wait wait, how can you say I offered no reason and then give the reasoning I gave? You can say it's flawed, but libel and slander being hard to prove doesn't make it flawed, it just borders on common sense to not make them too easy lest abuse becomes common. But there are other limitations as well, some spelled out by the supreme court, and others common sense (you can't issue threats on people's lives or property). It's hard to fail a background check too, and it's a more minor limitation than libel laws for sure.
Your original claim was there is no infringement, but now you admit that there is one that's just special and doesn't count. You see what I mean? No principled stance here.
Why does anyone want to live in The Outer Rim anyway? It's like the Wyoming of the Star Wars Galaxy.
damn true
I personally think Wyoming is awesome. Which might be why I think the outer rim is awesome.
@@viktornapolitano6113 true both suck conceptually your just either grew up there or you think only 8 cities rivers lakes and mountains for miles is cool
@@arcaneforce5885, you ever been there? It's beautiful, and there's not a lot of people around to bother you.
@@jesupcolt no i like alonenes
Here is how: ignore some planets, glass others and ally with the rest.
Id just back some worlds and have them conquer the rim. Form a few vassal states the are locals. Establish as fair trade deals,as possibke between them and my empire.
Let's give them drills and shovels, maybe they'll find something
Communism?
Use them as buffer states if a force invaded from that direction it would give you advance notice.
1:32 _“Which leads to hate, and hate leads to EVIL. Yes, creating something the fans don’t like is the path to the Dark Si-_ oh, wrong speech...”
I wanna see a 1313 style anthology set on Coruscant , following different characters in multiple era's of starwars.
I wish there’s a city builder game of the outer rims. Problems of logistics and supplies with unsecured hyperspace lane from pirates and the planet pirates. Federal and local military presence to help with the security and allowing trade to run its course without local pirates interrupting.
Ever played Rim World? I'm sure you can play on easy or mod the pirates out.
@@melelconquistador just a couple months ago I got rimworld and the ideology dlc. My idealistic free colony became more productive when I have a slave… because prisoners takes too long to convert and feed. So.. debuff for everyone
@@MalaysianChopsticks I want to play the DLC, but I want to wait till I'm on break. I think it could allow for alot of flexibility.
@@melelconquistador a lot of human rights abuses and war crimes
I’d love to see more detailed stories about new Star Wars characters that take place in the mid-rim.
The Gateways made the Outer Rim like the Core Worlds.... Mountains were raised on Kamino, Tatooine was terraformed into a Lush Eden, and the Unknown Regions Has It's first 14 major Colonies... Star Wars A Galaxy Far Far Away, and a Next-generation.
A simpler solution would be to create a grand republic composed of multiple smaller republics
thank god you are an og and do content right no new year res bs like other yt guys :>
I'd always figured the best solution would be to encourage a number of minor regional governments to rise up based on common creed, economic interest or space-geography. Then use military force (the empire's favorite kind) to subjugate them and force them into perpetual tributary/protectorate status. The only danger with that is that eventually one of those blocs may get powerful enough to start growing...
I have a feeling the force has something to do with this. Lots of Outer Rim planets have a strong association with the dark side. Tatooine and Kashyyyk were stormed by the Rakata Empire, the Hutts are the appitimy of the dark side’s selfishness, and Korriban and Malachor are the foundries of the Sith.
I don't agree with everything you say or your views but i like the way your explanation has a bit of objectivity to it.
I love the use of the Battlefront picture for the thumbnail.
. . . I did not expect the breakdown of complex American political issues in a video about Star Wars. Good content like this is why I'm subscribed.
Disney should have just done their own thing from the start. Look how popular The Mandalorian is. They've even tied it back to things that were adjacent to the films with Ahsoka and Bo Katan rather well. Even that brief Luke Skywalker cameo was amazing... but a lot of us are just sitting here dreading the day they might connect it to the sequels. And you're right, the Outer Rim would have been the perfect setting. You could literally tell any kind of story you wanted. Old West style, horror, comedy, slice of life, sitcom (that might be a bit weird, but why not?). Anything. But instead they rehashed the OT and killed off our favorite characters and replaced them with... Rey. Finn was cool, but what they did to him was insulting. Poe was almost good, but they dropped the ball with him almost as badly.
I learned more about politics from this man than I ever did in school
For three seconds after 5:53 I noticed a still of a state legislature area and I looked it up, it is the room where Oregon’s House of Representatives meets.
It's unresolvable problem: there's always a frontier. Though the overall amount of forces of space state grows faster than surface of frontier, time that necessary to get forces to the place of unrest is increasing. It's unnecessary and impossible to expand state beyound certain size.
I would like your source on the gun control issue
Let's keep irl politics out of his vids also imo there are no problems with gun
And really the argument is moot anyway as if you dont want to something into your home fine that's your business, even if you and your neighbors agree you dont want it in your town fine. The problem is when you decide you want to demand people in the next town, country, or state over follow YOUR ideas because it benefits you and ignore their wills. Be it firearms, trade, immigration or anything else. That is a large part of the problem the US is having now...
@@Awrethien That's not a realistic point of view though. Your home is yours sure, but anything that you're doing which affects other people outside of it (whether inherently, through negligence or else intentionally) is likely to be subject to laws because they didn't choose for you to do that to them. That's one of the main reasons for having rules or a society at all.
If we're taking the gun example, I own a gun. But anyone telling me that living in an apartment with a gun is a-OK and has no possible problems that justifies limiting that is out of their mind. This applies to even less lethal stuff as well, of course. I don't want the person upstairs to blast music at 3am.
@@MindForgedManacle I was being broad on purpose, because I wasn't getting into anything specific, and you completely missed the point I was making.
Lets go with your music example. If the town you live in wants to ban music after say 9pm and you all vote for it, that's all on you. But you cant then go and demand people out in the country who don't live in your town, or try to force people in a smaller town who has a concert hall to follow your laws. There may be a few who like it, but if you go to the county or state and force your standards onto them, most are going to be pissed.
Some gun laws make sense in larger urban areas, but are pointless in rural ones. Open trade laws helps coastal urban areas, but hurt domestic industry that is usually more rural. Immigration policy as it is now in many different ways help urban areas, but hurt rural ones, and one of them is the "We have more people, so do was we want!"...
@@Awrethien I don't think that's a good comparison. Noise issues like that are handled by city ordinances, which by definition don't apply to people in other cities. But if I wanted that or any other law to apply broadly, I would go via state means, which would affect people in the country. Of course, this would never be applied to something like banning all music, I think that example is to obviously bad and unworkable for a comparison in my opinion.
Dolphins are the true enemy
What if I told you that the senate was under the control of a dolphin?
@@bsams2436 I'd fu**ing lose it
@@bsams2436 no that’s not possible, the jedi would be aware of it
This was very educational thank you.
Overstep on gun laws: I would disagree, but I understand the thinking regarding firepower limitations in urban areas. But seeing any possession as a negative denies reality. Urban areas are where decent folks are even more immediately threatened.
Just leave it me, and I will handle it soundly. A single, full-strength Imperial superiority fleet in sector centers, and local collaborationist governments on individual planets, will keep costs down. This will also allow stability, and later trade to appear.
@Daniel P.L. Do not worry, I never leave friends behind.
Thank you! Your Rian Johnson point is spot on.
This might be the most civil, thoughtful political discourse on the internet.
Thank you for absolutely correct analysis.
13:12 Somehow I feel in the force some Minutemen named Preston would be proud.
I always wondered if concepts like class struggle would apply in Star Wars.
8:21 ah yes, night city, the totallyyyyy efficient city state we should all look up to
Love your SW content Allen, salute!
Nice shout out to Hong Kong ... RIP HK
I wonder if the outer rim is even tamable...in star wars ideology there is always this recurring theme of balance in the force, that for everything light there must be darkness, so if the core is prosperous, "safe" and harmonious, maybe the outer rim has to be violent, chaotic and lawless, for the balance to persist?
The outer rim should have beef grouped up by regions like states, each state would be required to have a standing military that was under control of the head of the region during peace time but under the chancellor during times of war. This military force would be in charge of trade routes and planet security. Each region would have its own Senate the same way states have their own governments.
Can u do a vid on the gazonti - class cruiser? (In both its Sepy & Empire version)
“Do as you please without corporate oversight” you must not have heard of British Honduras Conpany, East India Company, The Hudson Trading Company, West Indian Company. Imperial endeavors are capitalist endeavors filled with oversight for profit.
yup. that doesn't even get into the Monroe Doctrine, Truman Doctrine, or Bush Doctrine of using military force and oppression to control trade and commerce in more modern contexts. I mean, Smedly Butler wrote the book War is a Racket in like...1931(approx). it's all about how his entire career in the Marine Corps was fighting corporate wars in latin america. these aren't secrets. they're literally american doctrine.
Dutch East India, Spanish Grand Columbia, French Haiti
Could you sight those stats on gun control for me? I find them hard to believe.
"Especially in the coastal areas where the dolphin menace has been attempting to establish beachheads..."
Brilliant...
That opening was probably the best explanation as to why the Disney sequels failed I’ve ever heard
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Translation:
people who are safe and don't need guns think that guns are bad and nobody should have guns, whereas people who are not as safe as them want guns becasue they need them to protect themselves and know how bad things can get when you can't defend yourself.
Same happens with free-speech and freedom.
Think mando and boba will basically be the rulers of the outer rim
I love this channel so much
Let’s GOOOOO!!! AK representation in Generation Tech!!! Wooohooo
I love the outer rim! Captain Ace Zander Dantooine
Allen for president
I love you Allen
Ironically, a semi-feudal approach may well be the best option here. At its core, the feudal system was about decentralisation and delegation. Rather than the king being directly responsible for the safety and protection of every single person in the land, trusted lords were granted stewardship of certain lands. They gained the right to tax people on that land, and in exchange they were obliged to protect them and support the central government. Something similar could work in the Outer Rim.
Don't try to secure every world out there. Instead, pick a single world - preferably one that already has a decent level of infrastructure - and invest heavily in it. Build up infrastructure and industry. Establish a shipyard. Plot hyper routes all around it. Base a small fleet (one star destroyer, several light cruisers, a few squadrons of hyper-capable fighters) there. And make it into a local capital world. Make it responsible for the protection and development of, say, fifty worlds around it. Establish a local sector government, with each of those fifty worlds sending, say, one or two representatives.
The investment is the key part. By investing in the world and building up infrastructure, you incentivise the local population to want stability, and you give them the tools they need to create that stability. And once you've got that local stability, it will spread to other worlds who want the same thing.
Last time I was this early we had Jedi in the galaxy
The Jedi????
I thought they were just a myth!!!
In any polity the far off regions away from the centers of power. In this case the Core. Will always be hard to maintain order in for the simple reason of it being hard to reach quickly and power tending to concentrate upward as a polity grows.
Umbarans vacation in Alaska (or Finland etc)
Rest in peace indeed HK
Allen 4 president
Did Alan imply that the gun divide is because you can’t shoot a gun in a city because the population is so dense that the bullet would most likely hit somebody you weren’t intending to? And inversely, that rural areas need guns to hunt? That’s barely the base level of reasoning
all planets have their own senator; in every star system there are 1-50 senators; 1 person is votet to be the representative of that system; there are 100.000 to 200.000 thousand systems (or even more) that i would put in groups of 25 to 100, which means there are 25 to 100 representatives (who are also senators); these senators can vote another representative that is going to be on the senate of coruscant, 2.000 to 8.000 senators, I know it is a lot of politicians, but if they people of millions of systems want to feel represented, then I think that system could work, I know that this slows it down, but it keeps them at peace and also loyal to the republic. It is just one factor, but it is also a huge factor, and I think the work behind it is worth the effort. If they knwo they are represented in the Senate, they are happier and more productive and if they get what they need, like security, stability and all the other stuff the live a good life, then the problem should solve it much faster than the gorments did in the past 25.000 years.... I know that there is much potentzial (potentcial?) for corruption, but I think that there is a way to build some system that it makes nearly impossible to do some corrupt thing, even though a senator might be corrupt, if he has no way to enforce the things he get paid by ohters hten all is safe.
I love these types of videos.
It's a real hardened place full of criminals looking to escape, lawless lands and crime syndicates. They also use unorthodox methods to get their way
depends, is like the american west in the 19th century, a lot of sparse settlement and wilderness with the occasional big and rich population hub
I think the primary reason the free trade zone didn’t work out is because it wasn’t really a free trade zone. It was a free trade zone with no government. So, effectively, after the free trade zone was announced, the republic had no control whatsoever over the outer rim. Had they declared a free trade zone, but still enforced laws, it would have worked. Had they given the land directly to the corporate interests, but heavily taxed them as a method of getting their wealth back, it would have worked as well. The Romans in the early empire had a similar system that, while extremely corrupt, did an excellent job of taxing and administering a massive territory. What they did was send out surveyors to see how much tax revenue an area would produce, and then they would have wealthy politicians bid for the right to collect taxes in the region, and pay the senate up front.
visions was fantastic and rogue squadron sounds like we might get a space battle
Allen loves the word fiefdom recently
Can you share your source on the gun restriction numbers?
Ignore the 1st 9 minutes. Stabilize the area by providing economic opportunity and security by creating unobtrusive and equal laws carried out by native law enforcement.With political representation and government investment the outer rim could’ve thrived but that would’ve increased cost of living for those in Core who depended on cheap raw materials and cheaper immigration from the Outer Rim. Also America didn’t have a lot of free and empty land for colonists and homesteaders to take. The Natives in many cases were forced off their land.
Another way they could have control the outer rim was to allow people to make a separate government while the republic handles the core to the mid rim a second government would keep the outer rim secure
Just subbed. I appreciate you making content in this difficult time. Love your star wars videos. Please read.
Lol the gun control issue... Had a cougar in my garage a few years ago. Glad I live where a gun is available.
@@SirHavok Oh look a scared child spouting what 'Dear leader' said to.
@@BullScrapPracEff why do you vote Democrat?
Where in the world did you get those numbers on guns I seen alot more keeping guns
I was wondering the same, I wish he cited the source for those numbers on gun control.
Citing the sources on these numbers would do NOTHING but expose the fact that all stats mentioned herein are BUNK
This seems to the reasoning behind the High Republic storyline they have just started. I have been enjoying the Darth Vader series of comics but it is kind of getting crowded setting things in the same timeline as the original trilogy and shoehorning in new characters.
i would have divided the space into sectoirs gave them their senete that send 1 their senators to the main senete which would both give more people in the outter rim more say and smallen the main senete to make it more effective