How McLaren went from Tractor to Challenger!
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What actually changes when a team like McLaren bring huge upgrades to their car? well... without looking at the data, it's hard to tell.
In this video I'll show you where the McLaren MCL60 was lacking at the start of the season, what their performance looks like now, and I'll tell you where they should be strong the rest of the season... but it depends on one thing in particular if they can compete everywhere.
But the big question, can Lando Norris or Oscar Piastri win a race this season with the upgraded McLaren?
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Looking at the time delta graphs, it's mind-blowing that norris actually gains on verstappen on the low speed corners.
Love the analysis, keep it up. Andrea Stella has confirmed that a low drag rear wing is in the works because they simply cannot go to Monza without one.
Is it a new wing or are they taking an angle grinder to an old one 🤣
I can’t believe how complicated that graph was, but still completely understandable. You’re amazing at visualizing this and explaining this ! Keep it up !
A bit late, but low speed hasn’t been RB’s strongest point this year by any stretch of the imagination. So wasn’t really surprised by this tbh
If only redbull didn’t exist season would be nuts 💀
True but we have to appreciate how good Max is really imo the best driver season ever
But they do and it isnt
I mean... If you ignore them, it is nuts. 😅
Well the battle for p2 is nuts
Use to say the Same about Mercedes for Years! 😂
I think People could "see" better if there was a way to know exactingly what say 5kmh difference on the main straight at Spa equated to in feet and/or meters. For instance, on a 200 meter track section, 5kmh difference might only be .661 meters on a straight section, but on a low speed tight corner, that same 5kmh difference might be more like 2 full meters, or almost half a car length.
I think this would be very helpful to "the common enthusiast" because this is EXACTLY how a Race Set Up Engineer decides where to focus, and where to allow compromise...... Well except maybe Ferrari...... This would help a lot of people to understand better, especially on Sprint race weekends where track time is so limited.
Love the heat map! Excited to hear that you have the code to update it over time.
Love this channel for the best insight and actual data on F1. Discovered the past few months and certainly have been rewarded for subscribing with quality content 👌
Thanks so much!
See also Kyle Engineers for an ex Mercedes F1 aerodynamicist's take on the cars
@@BurningmonkeyGTR he's very good! I don't understand aero stuff 🤣
Random observation here. I had seats in Miami near the start lights. I could see into most of the garages very clearly with binoculars. I noticed Lando running a front wing with a different shape in FP2, compared to the one he ran in FP1, and different from Oscar’s in FP2. It did not appear for the remainder of the weekend. Could it have been a pre-cursor of the new parts to come, in order to collect data? He had a much different FP2 compared to the rest of the weekend.
Great Video! Andrea Stella said that for Monza they are going to have a low down force package let’s see if they have it in time, he admitted that they didn’t focus on low down force with these upgrades.
This is awesome! I love your content, really great explanations and easily to understand.
And Andrea Stella was talking about them doing something for Monza etc. and prodrucing a new rear wing. They just didn't have the time yet. Hopefully it'll help. They have the drivers, this season could get more interesting in the fight for second.
Loved the way u explained such a complex topic in a simple and effective manner...definitely learned a lot in detail abt f1 today...vud love to see more such videos❤💥
What an awesome analysis, thanks so much Blake!! Toot toot for Albert Fabrega as well :D
my quez - how many brown paper bags full of money, was slipped to checco - to crash the RB at monaco letting the entire field see the floor. And why did checco, then proceed to rear end that same RB, into the barriers, in first practice, about three or four times thereafter. he seems to have learned to drive the car out of the pits for more than a lap again.... now I'm not going full Briatorie here - but I'm getting close. This floor is the single most reason MCL is now fast enough to podium....and the other teams wont be too far behind sticking that same floor on their tractors.
McLaren would've got the ideas from RB's floor some other time maybe last year. Because upgrades on the floor was introduced 1 month after checo crashed in monaco 2023. I don't think 1 month is enough time to adopt ideas from RB 2023 monaco floor and then develop it in time for Austria. Maybe McLaren got RB floor ideas from checo crash at monaco last year.
Very informative! Keep up the great work 👏
Really glad i found this channel. Your data driven analysis is great, but you're also well informed. You've earned a sub from me. Great job
Welcome, Chris!
Fantastic analysis, gives another dimension instead of just focusing on the cars droning around. keep it up!
Finally i learned how to read these graphs, great video!
The way this information was presented is so easily digestible and really engaging! Well done, it was a great watch.
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
9:27 at least someone says his name right
Ahh the kinda videos one waits for!! Thanks for sharing things in such detail!!!
Great explanation, thanks!
excellently explained!! thank you!
Amazing Analysis. Love you bro
Thank you so much for sharing this Great concrete information! It’s so refreshing to have actual data as opposed to just a bunch of self declared expert opinions.
This video is insane. So much meaningful analysis.
The more you look at the telemetry data, the more you realise that these drivers are robots. The consistency is just insane.
Very very true. Some more than others but all of them reasonably so
This is a great video! Very detailed but still very entertaining
This is an amazing video. Very well done!
I think the 2018 McLaren was up to 16 kph slower than Ferrari on the straights.
Love how you toned it downed alot from being the super hyped you've done previously, alot easier to follow. Keep it up!
My advice would be, keep the hype for shorts and tone it down for the nitty gritty long videos.
Because I had a migraine. 🤣
@brrrake I feel your pain bud, kudos for even getting a video out with one of those rotten bastards. I couldn't even make a phone call.
@@BirrDetonator1989 lots of ibuprofen and water. I'm sure it wasn't that bad as I was still functional 😅 stay safe out there and enjoy the break 🤝
@brrrake dunno if you have it in the states but neurofen express is my silver bullet for them. Same to you brother, keep up the slick content 👌
Love to see McLaren highlights!
The low drag trick is in the floor.
Could you please analyze why Aston Martin has gone backwards? Or maybe they remained static while other teams leap frogged them.
On it 😁
Bro that McLaren Tractor looks sick, I could race that!
The wheel covers add a LOT of aero innit 🤣 I'll ask Zak if he's got a seat
I THIINK THEY UPGRADED AIRFLOW MIDDLE ON THE CHASSIS AND SIDEPOD
Love this channel, always wondering how teams could benchmark competitor team engine performance baed on GPS data. How to compensate impact from different aero drag level and traction characteristics between cars, and come up with realistic engine performance assessment, could you do and episode on that in the future?
I can to some extent. It becomes slightly tricky to estimate engine power and drag separately, so a bit of guesswork is necessary. A very interesting topic! So let me see what I can come up with
Thanks! one related question, is RedBull enjoying an engine advantage this season? Everybody in and out of the paddock was reiterating on aero. Could RB be just running deeper wings and more than compensate it with engine power. Which also explains their superior DRS gains on fast long straits. @@brrrake
@@dukeiiigmail I'd look at Alpha Tauri and say no
So basically Redbull has high top end and are fast through slow speed corners. And McLaren will do well on faster tracks post upgrade?
New to your channel, really liking how you lay things out and the look of your videos.
Is there a way to see if it’s the driver or the car? In all the data that you see can you see if Lando is getting 100% from the car?
The short answer... No.
I thought Mexico requires a high downforce rear wing set up because of much lower atmospheric pressure from being quite high above sea level?
Good shout as well ☝️
Monaco wings with Monza speeds
@@awesomefacematt and especially since there are some slow speed corners in mexico, you don't only have a lack of downforce from low air density but also from slow speeds you are going. So high downforce is absolutely required.
i think Mclaren team understands the budget cap is a big concern, so they rather stop all the development in winter and just wait for the data of the first 3 races, and built from the real world data and not simulated data where Aston Martin was last year, lucky they turn around this year, Aston martin was the slower than William last year. As mercedes team always claimed they 'found the problems, and they have upgrades to fix it', they are still No.2 in the chart not because they have solve the problem, it is just every team is still messing around with fake data they acquired. Mclaren is basically avoiding "Until you really found the problem, you already ran out of budget for the year. "
What tools are you using for analysis? Am especially interested in where you're writing the code to automate the analysis. Great stuff!
I'm using fastf1 to access the data. The rest of it is just numpy and pandas - nothing fancy! All python
Could we get Ver vs Sar lap telemetry comparison?
It's not very interesting.... Trust me 😅
Landooo making McLaren fast again 🟠
Hi! just found your page and loving the data analysis.. where or how did you get these data points? I would love to use these data for a class project. Thank!
Check out fastf1 if you know or want to learn python (I recommend this!) Or check out f1-tempo
Blake I love the content so much I literally sat through a Spanish Disney+ ad. YO NO HABLO ESPAÑOL BLAKE!!!
Porque MiguelAmbiént?!
@@brrrake Yo quiero iron hombre.
Love these Data Videos! great when you're a F! technical nerd!
F1 nerds unite!
Hi, quick question here.
With the great development of mclaren mid season, would you say they are in a top 3 or maybe even 2 position for 2024, or that Mclaren will miss out on the deadline of developing their new car again/ or its not going to be in contention? And that they are in a good position to be contending for race wins and/championships as early as 2025 or 2026?
This season is hard enough to say... next season even harder. I think McLaren can possibly overtake Ferrari this season in constructors.
Why didn't they just trim a couple of centimeters off the top of the rear wing before Spa like Haas has done before?
Good question. I hate aero so I don't know
I'm worried that their working too hard on this year's car and not much on next years car , which is the opposite of what Aston Martin is doing. That drop in form for Aston means their working HEAVILY on next years car
I don't think Aston Martin just started work on next year's car. Arguably anything McLaren fix with this car applies to the next.
If that car is really only 30% fixed and they made that huge of a jump in preformance, it must has an insane amount of potential
Landos isn’t talking about the car itself, he’s talking about the handing characteristics are only 30% fixed. That is what Danny struggled with.
@@awesomefacematt Yeah so imagine how much better it would be if it was completely fixed, if the drivers were 100% happy with the handling
@@Kerbal18an F1 driver 100% happy their car? Never going to happen. Even Verstappen bitches regularly.
BEING BACK THE W11 😅😅
That's amazing 😃...when you're back from summer holidays, can you perform the same analysis with Ferrari??🤯
Easily!
@@brrrake Maybe, it will help them with the understanding 🤪😅🤣
Speaking about performance, what's up with the camera? It's a bit blurry and sometimes actually laggy :X.
Not sure what happened with this video.
Now it is the turn of Aston and how the car was great at the start of the season and now is worse
Imagine you reading my mind 😅
Don’t teams use loads of downforce at Mexico because there is less air with the altitude. I remember hearing Monaco wings with Monza speeds.
Indeed
Does he use voice modification?
Darth Vader does, yeah!
your voice is just oddly soothing in a similar way to some American pilots @@brrrake
It looks to me like Lando is overdriving the car and struggles to keep it balanced, braking a bit too late in each corner, having to slow down a bit too much every time to make up for it. I love the kid, he's my favorite after Lewis and Max, but the data doesn't lie. I'm referring to the 5:15 graph about medium speed corners mainly. Wish we would have steering input data as well to see who turns in earlier. I bet Max has the earlier but smoother turn in.
The Bahrain example isn't really indicative of the season and many trends did seem to change... I really wish we had steering data 😭
You should collaborate with Kyle Engineers
I don't believe in aerodynamics 😮🤣
Incredible!,
Why do you not only analyze the q1 and q2
I take the fastest lap from the session. Sometimes it's Q2. Q1 is often pretty useless
the question on everyone's mind: where is the Traeger sponsorship???
Working on it still. Hopefully some BBQ lovers listen to the engine braking pod
They just have to figure out the rear wing and rear end
I think that's the start... 😅
To me, I think McLarens low speed corner entry stability solutions are mostly all mechanical in nature. Any Aero tweaking is going to adversely effect mid and high speed performance.
This can be a mechanical issue but aero development in this region doesn't have to impact medium and high speed.
@brrrake My experience is mostly in helping to develop small aircraft that utilize a dual element wing (Quest Kodiak aircraft). We used every trick in the book to be airborne from stationary (zero) in well under 100 meters (STOL-"Short Take-Off and Landing), and still achieve a respectable cruise speed (over 200 knots). Gaining over 12 knots by the way the added cargo pod interacted with the fixed landing gear. All along the way, the challenge was to always find the "best compromise" (if there is such a thing). I never saw an instance where you could BOTH lower stall speed AND maintain top end performance, even with outboard Vortex generators and variable ailerons. Below 100kmh it is very hard to create lift (suction) that does not directly effect high speed efficiency. And yes, I understand how exhausted heated air from the radiators can be used to influence a "weakened effect" at greater speeds. In fact, I would point directly at that concept for how the RB19 is so far ahead of its competition.
@@stephensegal5187 that's actually really interesting!
I will say that in the case of these cars, the vehicle states (yaw, steer, roll, curvature, front ride height, rear ride height) differ massively from high speed to low speed. So there are plenty of ways in which development can carefully target a specific region IE: low speed entry. It may not be the easiest areas to impact, but it is done!
Really cool to see someone else with experience drawing analogues and expanding on it as you've done!
@brrrake I am also a Supernational Shifterkarting Champion (2003 Supernats in Las Vegas). That is actually how I ended up involved (got noticed by the right Person) with the aircraft project originally.
I welcome Anyone Worldwide to open discussion about the technical aspects of these modern "Aero cars". They are a whole different animal from the flatbottom tuna barges. After Senna's untimely death at speed via "breaking suction" on a full fuel load (according to Michael who was right behind Him), and then ground effects being banned, I never thought We would ever see them allowed in F1 ever again. It's an absolute PLEASURE to Me to add that dimension back into the mix.
@brrrake In actuality, the way ground effects work, you will get the best results by minimizing any changes of the relationship of the car to the racing surface. The whole "positive rake thing" (flat bottom car) goes out the window, and you get new challenges such as trying to get adequate heat into the tires because tire slip is much harder to now achieve.......
cant find twitter anywhere, only X's
Always twitter 😂
The URL still says Twitter, they haven't tried that hard to change yet!
Why does Haas continue sucking instead of fixing whatever is ailing their tire deg issue
They don't know how yet.
That's some monster works man! Suggestion: create few videos without showing your Face & track how it goes. And, don't put so many geek info in a single video.
You should make a RUclips channel!
Comparint Max (short corner driver) to Lando (long corner driver) with telemetry would be very difficult. You would be better doing Checo and Lando. Max is always going to be better out of corners and Lando will always be showing more speed into corners
I'm not sure that's how it works. If we compare Checo for half of the season to Lando, the McLaren looks like a rocket ship.
I always hear that Lando is a long corner driver, but I think it would be interesting to see his driving style through the junior formulas. Because Lando has repeatedly mentioned how the handling characteristics of the McLaren have kinda forced him into U ing the corners in a way different to his natural style, so perhaps this accounts for his long corner driving atm? He may have always driven that way but I think it would be interesting to see.
Tell me you follow Peter Windsor without saying you follow Peter Windsor.😏
I think the biggest question is, did McLaren “improve” their car or did they “unlock” their car? I remember back in 09, a lot of people thinking that McLaren made this sudden leap of car performance but it was more an “unlocking” because of their FWEP being inwash at first and starving the sidepods of air, and getting their WD wrong. Could this be something similar?
Its really hard to tell. But it just sounds like they added some load. This is improving to me, especially considering they've changed sidepod concepts a bit as far as my terrible eye can spot
Some of those corner speed differences could be down to driving style rather than purely car abilities
Edit - its been widely reported that Norris focusses on corner entry at the detriment to corner exit speed l but he's trying to alter this style.
"Stop braking too late" isn't that hard and a driver can usually sort that in a single free practice session. I feel like driving style goes a lot deeper than the stuff we can see in the data, genuinely! Whatever that was, he did a better job of it after bahrain!
I came to f1 from a donut media mclaren j-damper video! then I had a wtf1 phase; then came Driver61/tommo/p1/The race phase, and for some reasons now I watch internet's two most fraudulent people talk about races and this data rich content! Side-effect : I find multiple channels I was into earlier bland! only a handful survived because of channel personality! THat's what you get for pausing on every graph and look at each vector trying to guess it before blake explains it :| In short, Thanks man. I love f1 in a whole different way now.
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