The Real Story of Fight Quest's Wing Chun Episode | The Kung Fu Genius Podcast #2
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- Опубликовано: 26 янв 2021
- In this second episode of the Kung Fu Genius Podcast, the KFG (Alex Richter), along with his partner DJ Dre, discuss the real story behind the Wing Chun episode of Fight Quest originally aired on the Discovery Channel. Lot's of gems, lot's of salt.
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I think the Fight Quest producer "Charles" was the first guy to dislike this video.
Fantastic video, I'm really enjoying the new podcast!
Thank you!
Very enjoyable episode as usual! Congrats Kung Fu Genius and thanks!
Thank you!
Love waking up and listening to these. Keep up the amazing work. Can’t wait to hear more stories of the Kung fu world
Thank you! Will do!
Hey Sifu Alex! I'm glad you told this story. I remember that episode quite well. I recognized you in the rooftop scene. Too bad the episode itself was total BS! Kudos to you, your show, your articles in Wing Chun Illustrated, and your school! I'm anxious to read your books as well.
Thank you so much!
Sifu Alex, you should produce a "Wing Chun Quest" show.
I got better ideas planned lol
Sounds like an idea to consider
Your idea was great, if it had been filmed like this it would probably have been the best episode of the show
I think so too
very interesting and honoust, thnx for upload
Ha love it thanks for sharing this! I remember watching this episode and facepalming...your idea for the final fight was brilliant. I wished they used it
Thank you!
I remember you talking about this episode. Your idea would have been epic. PS nice coffee mug ;-)
Mug was given to me by a cool dude!
Loved it! 😊
Thank you!
Very good information! I listened to the entire video!
Thank you so much! Wow, why did I not know about your channel? I'm now a subscriber!
@@TheKungFuGenius The RUclips algorithm suddenly recommended your video. I think my second channel (Fight Commentary Chats) is already subscribed to you. The algorithm is wonky 90% of the time, but it sometimes gets things right ;)
@@FightCommentary ooh man, I would love the KFG and Fight Commentary Breakdowns to chat some day
@@AndrewLinArchives I just subscribed to you too
@@FightCommentary 😂 thanks! i'd better start making content again. If you're interested RUclips.com/AdventureArchives is my main channel
You guys are awesome. Wish I was here since day 1 but glad I found it regardless. The podcast makes my commute fly right by
Much appreciated!
Very insightful episode, Si-Gung. Your idea to have the two contestants fight other practitioners of different systems is definitely better. Your impersonation of 'Charles" got me hollering!!!!! Loved hearing the back story to this episode.
Typical out of touch white dude thinking he knows what’s up 🤣
@@TheKungFuGenius I hear you- His dismissiveness on the Korean Brother is type messed up- "No one will notice."
Great show! I remember that series, now I want to go back and watch that episode
I think this episode was the worst one of the series
@@TheKungFuGenius I meant watch that episode to see the flaws. I love your ideas for the show. They should've used your ideas or even did some sort of tie in with Bruce Lee's JKD. They definitely missed the boat on demonstrating the Wing Chun system!
@@0713mas thank you!
@@0713mas you can find almost every fight quest on youtube except for the wing chun one 🙄
If someone can find it, I would like to watch it again to. 🙏
I know nothing about martial arts, but these shows are fascinating!
Cannot image Bruce Lee & Lo Wei having an argument about a fight scene in Big Boss!! NO WAY LO WEI!!
Alex, YOUR idea was AWESOME!!!
Glad you think so!
I want to see a show where a martial artists beat up slimy producers or where two slimy hollywood producers fight eachother lol
@@0713mas i’d pay to see that show!
Great show, Sifu KFG!! Thank you for all the behind-the-scene stories!!
Sifu, I have a question about a 70s Wing Chung fight. Hong Kong sent 4 competitors to Japan for the 1st World Kyukushin tournament. One of the Hong Kong representatives was a Wing Chung athlete. He fought against Ninomiya. Do you know if he came from Leung Ting school? Do you have info on that event?
Thanks again and keep up the great work!
Love fight quest!! Especially the one about Kalahari , a Indian form of combat!! I remember Doug learning the weapons part of it & his friend learning the hand to hand combat form of it !!!
I remember that Bas Rutten workout with Biohazard playing.
Hi Sifu. loved this glad you told the true story I would love to see the videos you have. I never watched the programme on tv but I did buy the DVD box set of it and I always thought there was something wrong with that episode.by the way I loved your idea for the episode.
Thank you
So "Charles" is a mix between Bill Lumbergh from Office Space, and Don Corleone.
Love your original idea of style-vs-style Kung Fu fights. I remember watching that episode and sensed many awkward moments, particularly the final training moments (Jimmy looking uncomfortable, besides the injured leg) leading up to the final fight. What a shame. Thanks for sharing this gem of a story!
Charles was an insufferable prick to us. I’m sure Jimmy was treated differently by him, hence he is partial to the producers side. I’m also sure Jimmy wasn’t aware of the background of the drama. He thought it was “just Leung Ting’s ego” which wasn’t the whole story.
The various styles idea would have been cool!
Yeah I watched that FQ episode with a single eyebrow in the air the whole time... thanks!
Me too! But mainly because I was there hahaha
@@TheKungFuGenius it’s cool to hear the backstory, I could tell something was off. Keep up the great work on the podcast!
@@KinseiSensei thank you so much, glad you found it informative.
You should win an Oscar for your performance of 'Charles'. A great podcast.
Hey Alex.. I put up a video this morning in tik tok and I dropped a Kung fu genius hash tag! You were on there , only a few videos but , I could show you how to blow that thing, it helps the RUclips a lot..we are supporting you for sure..
Yeah I opened my TikTok a few weeks ago but I’m focused on IG now.
@@TheKungFuGenius good ok! I was in the show all last night all of em.. good work , funny stories, great Kung fu
Your idea is awesome 👌. Still should be a show.
This is a good video.
Style against style is what I miss in MMA.
Thank you!
Literally what MMA was in the beginning. Now it's just your BJJ against my BJJ.
A little disturbing that in all of HK and possibly anywhere else there isn't more than a few people who do Wing Chun who would give Jimmy Smith some problems.... I mean if that's the implication... It just seems to underscore that most people training TMA can't fight, which in popular culture and the fighting world comes out as that style or system isn't worth a shit when it comes to fighting.... I guess there's nothing that can be done because there is no universal regulating body or built in rule about having to be able to fight with your fight training. I think Wing Chun has a lot more potential even than most Wing Chun people give it credit for...
I think your idea of the different Kung fu styles fighting was much more interesting than what Charles did.
Man ... you fellows!! Blessings.... I fuggin love you guys!
Miss you... Jimmy said he should start a podcast with you - first episode would be "weak knees".
@@TheKungFuGenius ha ha hah ha ha oh yesss hahahaha 😆🤣😂but we have to cut it at the KFG STUDIO 🎙!! You have to put that kfg stamp debunking the knees sniping vids... im with it!
SiGung, I feel like your original idea made soooo much more sense and sounded more entertaining hands down! Like, if we would have seen them actually apply the wing tsun techniques on other styles, it would have better shown Wing tsuns practicality and it’s all around benefits in fighting.
Thank you! It really is too bad they went 180 degrees on the original idea.
EPIC 👍
Thank you!
I loved watching the Fight Quest series. Thank you for sharing the inside details of being involved with show. I like Jimmy Smith... he seems like a down to earth and cool person.
Your Cantonese pronunciation is really good! You hit the tones right on!
Thank you so much! I liked Jimmy a lot, he was super cool.
It reminds me of the Xingyi episode of Kung Fu quest that Philip Ng and his Sifu did some years back
Always great to listen to that story again and again, even it's the 3'rd time!!! #TheKungFuGenius #Diary
You can remind me of any stories you want me to tell on the podcast!
Fantastic giant frame of an actual superhero behind you!
Wait, is this the REAL Paul Polpiboon?
@@TheKungFuGenius :
Why do I know you?
@@TheKungFuGenius ..but yes I'm the real Paul, as far as I know there's no other, but how would we know each other..?
@@paulpolpiboon9535 I’m honored, huge fan.
@@TheKungFuGenius : uhhh...ok. Thanks?
Anyways awesome framed picture.
Very cool!
I think it was on discovery it was a decent lil show. I remember both of them fight quest and human weapon
Thanks for commenting.
Damn, I remember watching that episode a few years back and was left wondering why Leung Ting's guys didn't get to fight, it kinda made them look bad in retrospect but now we know it was all that shitehawk producer's fault 😩
Also I used to binge watch your howcast videos on repeat, I thought they were fantastic! Just out of curiosity, were you happy with the creative control you had while making those videos, and was there stuff you wanted to cover in more detail that you couldn't? Anyway I'm glad you're putting out new content and that the podcast is going well! 😁🙏🥋
At best it was the producer’s inability to communicate effectively, at worst it was his inability to follow through on his word. All that aside, Sifu Leung Ting is not blameless for being without a backup plan that didn’t require flying people from other continents at the 11th hour.
The HowCast series is my “C minus level material for public consumption” and I had zero control over it.
I’m glad you liked it though!
@@TheKungFuGenius Your C minus level material is better than 99% of Wing Chun on RUclips haha 😁 and thanks for the reply/info! 🙏
@@JoJoKenn94 thank you, that means a lot 🙏🏻
Jimmy and Doug are awesome. They traveled the world and put it on the line, and presented many styles with respect. Both fought in mma, Jimmy in particular was a solid mma fighter. As i remember it, Jimmy's challenge in this episode, is that he had a hard time assimilating to wing chun and did not apply the techniques well in the final competition, but he smoked his opponents. Doug is a war veteran, seems very down to earth, and deserves every bit of respect because he was VERY humble in every episode and totally down to scrap. Everyone should also watch Jimmy's stories about fightquest episodes on youtube as well, he reflects on tension with producers and the challenge of trying to navigate through Discovery's sometimes unreal expectations while putting on a good show.
Having said that, I like this discussion, I like the idea of introduci g other kung fu styles in the episode, and i enjoy chats revisiting this great show FQ.
Jimmy and Doug are both great and I really liked my brief interactions with Jimmy in particular. The format of the show is problematic for teaching a new way of fighting in three days to people who have been doing martial arts for a long time. In that type of competition, I (as a 22-year WT practitioner) would not have applied pure WT either. It's a fighting contest, not a self-defense scenario nor a challenge from another kung fu style. Everyone did watch Jimmy's episode on RUclips - it came out almost a year ago. My video is the counter-narrative, not the other way around. Thank you for your kind words and I hope you enjoy some of my other episodes.
Your idea of Wing Chun versus other Kung Fu styles (vs. Choy Lay Fut would have been classic) was excellent, and "Charles" missed out on a great opportunity due to his ignorance.
And I say that without kissing your ass, because I also would have liked you to have Benjamin Judkins and Jon Nielsen on your podcast. (I didn't find their book to be dry at all. And yeah, I'm responding on that to one of your other podcasts.)
So, I'm being honest about "Fight Quest!"😁
That would have been the way to do it, as Wing Chun vs. Wing Chun has never been an effective way to gauge the art's effectiveness. As a WT practitioner, I've always felt too many schools spend far too much time playing WT vs. WT rather than street applications. Which is probably why so many WT people aren't ready for the 'real thing' when it happens....they often can't get their minds out of classroom application. Just a thought.
100%
Take a shot every time the bald guy says “mmmmm” or interrupts
Good one McKinley!
Episode was great! Optimus Prime is right, there is more then meet the eye. The ending was so funny 😂
Can you please do more Charles in other podcast? Hilarious 🤣
I recently saw that Jimmy (prior to me) had made a video about that particular episode. I’ll probably make another episode where I react to what he said. I foresee more Charles in the future.
Haha can’t wait...that was too funny. Also hope you can find the videos of the fights you recorded. I know this takes a lot of work but thank you for posting content so often. Makes RUclips life better 💪
I had such high hopes for that episode and it really turned out with a lot of on screen nonsense.
Your original idea wouldve been da bomb and i think the episode wouldve developed a mainstream if not a cult following. The only problem is which other styles were willing to fight Jimmy and Doug, I think it wouldve been hard to find fighters too.
Thank you! I think my original idea was better too (if I dare say so myself)!
Yes, your idea is definitely better than what they went with. Also, have you thought about making the last three minutes of outtakes as a regular part of ending an episode? People love hearing outtakes. Well, I do anyway.
As long as Dre promises not to rehearse, I think we will always have outtakes!
Maybe people won't agree but if I had a chance to run a school I would add in a requirement that involves fighting... Say for advanced students or students that want to reach a certain level.... At that point you could require that they fight or win in some kind of venue such as you mention here, fighting other styles... I always thought about using the kyokushin model of the so called knockdown match for sparring, again at a certain level... Now clearly not everyone would want to do this but adding it in to the curriculum would and could do several things like inspire others to train harder, create a sub group within the school who stand out, raise the bar for the top tier and more as well as bringing in new experience to work from...and this sets an example both in and out of any school doing it IMO...
We had several advanced elements that most students never got to such as chi gerk, long arm chi sao and actual fighting... More, not less people IMO should be getting to do those things...It's so easy to get side tracked with ChiSao and forget about fighting.... Also the ChiSao itself can take many different forms... Some schools tend to focus on classical elements that's fine but not fine when you avoid fighting elements and then claim a small woman can learn to fight off large men in the street when it's for self defense purposes...
Kill Arman episode about Wing Chun had that sort of end fight. Going up against other styles. Turned out pretty good and Wing Chun went well
Yeah that was good
The original concept of fighting other kung fu styles would have been awesome. Especially since, unlike most of the other styles in the show, there isn't a well established sport of "competitive wing chun combat." With the other martial arts styles featured on the show, such as: Kyokushin, Muay Thai, Judo, etc It made sense for them to fight against other exponents of the same system (or even the same school for that matter) because there was an already established norm for these entities, as well as a systematized, competitive, sport-based version of the styles.
Amen brother!
Your idea was much better. Charles sounds like a typical know it all producer who never does any research on their subject. That actually sounds like a lot of career politicians to.
The original idea sounds so much better. It's a shame it didn't come to fruition.
I know right? Too bad...
I remember that episode, I was unaware of you at the time but I'll definitely watch it back with this story in mind. For what it's worth, the Kali/Arnis episode that was made was cringe inducing, so Wing Chun wasn't the only art they misrepresented.
Thank you!
I'm the Italian guy.... I actually trained with the 3rd world ranked FIGMMA champion Antonio Saracino at the time before boarding the plane to Hong Kong for 5 hours to work out what my limits were seeing such the short notice I had to prepare....
I had Leung Ting sign a clause in my contract before leaving that the fight would be full contact All blows included and seeing that there would be no mats you woukd be allowed to throw to the ground but stop and get up to continue...
Those were my conditions seeing I wasn't interested in ground fighting. only stand up fighting or else I wouldn't have come to Hong Kong....
Leung ting agreed to these conditions.
A piece of history I thought you should know.
Had I had a few more months up my sleeves I would have trained differently
Ciao
Paul
Thanks for clarifying!
They test our punches for psi
🤣🤣🤣🤣 CHARLES!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chaaaarrrrlesss
The Italian guy has a youtube video at some point, a long ago, where he sparred with Jimmy Smith, although you couldn't really see much because the video was of low quality and quite short. He kept up for a bit then deleted it. Did you witness this incident? Or heard about it? Could you maybe talk about it in another video?
He did not spar with Jimmy, it was a staged fight with someone else. It was supposed to be Jimmy either, you might be misremembering so ancient history 😁
@@TheKungFuGenius I remember way back in the say where he made a video saying that he did spar with Jimmy, but I don't know, it was a long time ago, maybe I misremembered. Thanks for the quick reply.
@@beit140 this “post Fight Quest” drama is the stuff I talked about at the end of the episode.
The video you're talking about was In all fairness created as a response as to how our team would have responded to Jimmy Smith seeing the director refused categorically to ALL of the Leung Ting fighters to be involved in the fight...seeing myself and other fighters travelled half the planet, money spent. leave your work within 36 hours notice to fight this guy, you get pretty pissed off when you arrive and you get a moron of a director telling you you're not Chinese... bottom line we wanted to leave an impression. But it wasn't the impression the way I wanted it to go so I preferred to stay out of the limelight and the vid went off line...simple....I knew my worth so did Jim so did the director.... it would have been a good show that's all I asked for.
Alex and all the guys were all there I was so pissed off I didn't even stay for the fight. I probably went to some massage parlour
@@lanostraitaliauno8460 super unfortunate situation, but you did teach me how to say “don’t break my c*ck” in Italian. Overall I consider it a win.
I would like the show format to have just had the guys select a few applications from whatever style featured in the episode and try to use those applications in the final fight at the end, rather than just the style. Having Jimmy or Doug choose what their favorite "take home" from their three day practice is, and the experience of trying to incorporate it into what they already do, would have been far more rewarding than some competition "in this style" after just three days.
That’s a great idea!
Fight Quest should have gone to see Gary Lam in LA, or John Divirgilio in HI, Francis Fong in Atlanta, or Ashley King in Murfreesboro TN if they wanted to see fighting Wing Chun
Thank you for commenting.
@@TheKungFuGenius You really should try to get an interview with any of these gentlemen. Proven combatants. Internal hitters. Master Rusty Gray out of Nashville is another. Hits so hard with short power it feels like your lungs implode. All of these guys can execute Wing Chun as advertised.
@@SoldierAndrew I’ve heard of him. He had Boztepe in for a seminar once back during the Royce Gracie challenge days.
The original idea would’ve been dope... A slight change would be to increase the training time?
Could a martial art be distilled to a “seminar” format?
Could a complete novice or non-fighter have any success or would the candidate have to come from a fighting background?
It was season two so my idea had to fit into the parameters of the established show format.
I also don’t like it when some people have a “reset button” where everything one discuss with him/her is forgotten completely. It shows that they never valued the other person’s opinion at all to pay any attention to it and/or they never really respected the other enough to fully disclose the vision to even consider feedback. It is lousy but you almost need a tape recorder or signed documents of acknowledgment....
I h8 the effen reset button...
Perhaps you should bring Jimmy on your show and talk to him about the whole experience. Just seems like a whole of bagging out the show and the producer, let’s get Jimmy’s perceptive. Also Jimmy mentioned the whole kick in the water was a set up and you mentioned it wasn’t hmmm.
Sure, I’ll have my people talk to his people.
„... meanwhile, Wolfgang Schniedelschnerz in Germany ...“ 😭😭
I had to make up a German name in the spot... and that’s what I came up with.
Schniedelwurzkurz
That "Charles" guy sounds like Marlon Brando/Nicolas Cage. :D
Hahaha I never thought of that but you are right
I’m sure I’ve seen an episode of one of these reality shows where they did that format for the end fight.
Maybe it was “Kill Arman”.
It was
That was a good show. He didn’t have a clue.
I’ve chatted with him a couple times online, super cool dude
Oh no doubt about that and the show was far more realistic for his inexperience.
I always hoped there would be a season 2.
Yeah figth quest and human weapon are my favorite martial arts movies.But I like figth quest because both host figth.
Good to hear.
...yeah, your idea was an interesting one...but of course it didn't jibe with all of the other episodes of the show which was obviously heavily formated the same way throughout. My guess is "Charles" was just leading you on so you would make the effort to help him arrange things with the Hong Kong side. Thanks for giving an entertaining account of the whole backstory though.
Exacty, but the producer wanted something different for the final episode (at least, that's what he told me). I still have all the email exchanges with them which included setting up which kung fu styles would fight in the finale. So, there's that. Glad you like the episode.
To be fair to "Charles", from a directors perspective, you can't entirely blame him for wanting to remove the gweilos, because it would give it a more exotic feel. It's just so crazy to think that even hearing your side of the story, that Wing Tsun is more popular with the HK gweilos than with HK people that when the editors decide to remove all the gweilos, there were no asian fighters to fight Doug and Jimmy.
Can’t be fair to him for lying about the premise
Then again, to talk about that "other" show as an example of having white exponents of an Asian martial art being totally acceptable in an episode of a martial arts reality show set in Asia, "The Human Weapon" (which I personally enjoyed more than "Fight Quest"), the producers of that show had no problem having their guys go up against white ninjutsu practitioners in Japan.
Then again, I don't think there are any Japanese who practice ninjutsu in Japan(!), for a variety of reasons that I feel uncomfortable getting into here, since it'll probably upset some ninjutsu practitioners, (and the last thing I want is for ninjas to go after me.)😉
Yeah both will learn two different views on being taught the marital arts, and then have challenges at the dnd to display how much they learnt from the time they been with the schools
Thanks for the tip
Interesting. It really is hard to find someone who is Chinese in Hong Kong who is big and tall, built like a tank like Jimmy is. Most Southern Chinese men are small and thin. Add to it that they have to be in a LT school and enjoys or have some full combat experience. That is very hard to find. Most of the students are just regular office workers who happens to take a night class for Martial Arts. I don't blame them for not wanting to take a crack at a 2 min. fight with a professional fighter twice their size. However, you are right, they could have used you in the fight and no one would have known who was inside the head gear. Then switch to a Chinese guy after the fight when he takes off the head gear. Since it is scripted, they should just script the out come as well as to who would win. I get why he wanted to have Jimmy fight a Chinese dude, wouldn't make sense if they took a plane to HK then fight a White dude. But sure, you guys should have been in the background of the school since LT is very international. Again, they are not looking for authenticity. The Director is ignorant towards Asian Cultures and a very bad communicator. Since it is a very low budget show, poorly organized, nothing really written down or planned from the beginning, so that's why it runs into problems. I dont think it mattered at the end. I dont even remember that LT's students didnt fight. The only thing i remember about this video was that Jimmy got kicked into the water. And I think Sifu LT had "way" more air time in the show than Sifu Kong because Sifu LT spoke English, that was a plus. And because of more airtime,, LT already won. Great channel. Keep it up !
Thank you for you insight!
Please find the film📼🙏
I’ll try, but it’s buried in boxes, and I’m busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest.
@@TheKungFuGenius 😂😂😂 Thanks KFG
I liked your idea but I would suggest fighting the other styles leading up to fighting yours kind of like a game of death scenario. Final boss so to speak
I’ll get right on it
You should just set up a GoFundMe so we can do a movie in the idea that you just develop here on your podcast
Great idea!
new subscriber, great stuff, that show was kind of annoying. hahaha, thanks again.
Welcome on board!
You get a really odd feeling (probably anger) when you're told you can't go into or be part of something because of your ethnic background. I've seen it in movies and TV shows but to have it done to you.....it catches you off guard. It happen to me when I was in Germany in the military. I even had to ask myself, "Is this really happening?!" All in all, you found your wife so it worked out good for you.
Thanks for this great comment. In hindsight I feel I dodged a bullet not being in this episode anyway!
Hey so seeing I was talked about on Jimmys channel I thought I would come out of hiding and respond to him as well...
So here's my copy and paste to his vid
You Should know a few things Jim... I'm the big Italian guy 240 pounds at the time who actually grew up in Australia by the way with 50 years of wing chun...Tsui Shung Tin lineage , Felix Leong and Leung Ting family trees....plus combined.....Escrima...wrestling boxing and Thai boxing...also I have over 28 years of professional security service to boot.... by the way your views on wing chun are somewhat limiting...Bruce Lee never finished his studies with wing chun... so the limitations he had were based on as far as his research had led him... No more no less... he did what he did with the tools that he had.. nevertheless he was brilliant no doubt.... but with that keep.in mind that wing chun is a complete system...Maybe the problem is that it's not taught properly....wing chun has a multitude of strikes far superior to boxing just to give you an example...i should know I still integrate boxing in my training after 40 years of training...so whatever you know about wing chun is mainstream and what you see for the McDojos...
Apart from that you know nothing about me... regarding my mass or the way I move...
I still have the original contract Leung Ting and your producer agreed on before I sacrificed my time family and work free of charge... to travel half the planet to come and fight an unknown person so I could do my master a favour seeing that the person who was supposed to fight you from Japan... ( who has now sadly passed away) broke his foot...
Sure in 36 hours I gave up work... checked out a couple of your videos... trained with the then 3rd ranked world level FIGMMA champion Antonio Saracino to see what my limits were...
I made a contract stating that I would fight you full contact all blows inclusive... seeing that there were no mats being on a roof you could throw to the ground. Stop then get up and start again.
So that's it basically fight a stand up brawl with all blows inclusive...
Those were my terms...
If they weren't accepted i wouldn't have bothered coming....
So they both knew even before I landed...
You tell me what happened?
Tell me how pissed off I was when your producer already knew I was coming from Italy to begin with?
All.i.wanted was to give a good show
And you and I could have made that happen... we had the time and we had the space....
But evidently your ego seems more focused on the fact that you can take me....
Victory without fighting...
Nice one
Thanks for this!
I think it was a great idea. You should have called his boss... but knowing that was not an option maybe you should’ve hit him with your Kung fu 😁
I think the problem was Charles was the boss.
Great show, but i need subtitles(greek). I am from Nino bernardo lineage wong sheun leung and i dont like wc(william cheung)and lt(leung ting...too much cocky and i think he never fight himself)but its ok..if it works for you then is wing chun 😉
Thank you, I’ll keep all that in mind.
Just wondering, the big Italian guy, that they send to Hong Kong, is he the same guy who challenged the chinese mma fighter xu xiao? 😁
Hahah no, the guy who fought XXD was the “number four” guy from Hong Kong that no one has ever heard of.
Love this especially after listen to Jimmy say his side. I did find the bald guy a little annoying, he didnt really contribute anything apart from interrupting you
Haha
I'm to old now in my 50S to fight it out ...but in my 20S I fought a lot school an street ...would lov to. See chi li fit vs wc w young. Guys fighting....
Me too!
The reason they didn't go with your idea is because it was your idea and not his idea.
The weird thing is he initially agreed to it and I personally would have given zero f's if he took credit for my idea as long as he went with it.
When you are dealing with these TV producers and it is specific to TV producers. You are dealing with a ego that is so big it self sabotages itself. Been down that road a few times.
I'm pretty sure the majority of Hong kong wing chun family dislikes Leung ting. There was also some beef between IP chun and Leung ting as well. It makes sense if Sifu Kong would rub it in his face. I'd be surprised if Kong didn't rub it in his face. Also, Kong is more old school than Leung Ting. In one Cantonese interview I watched, Kong wants to bring back the culture of going to a school and challenging them. This would guarantee the quality of wing chun and not wannabes.
Thank you for your information.
Charles preconceived ideas killed what could have been a great episode.
Agreed. Insider info: when we shot this episode, I forgot what the name of the producer was and just made up “Charles” as a random name. When I went and checked the IMDb, I found out that his name actually was Charles. Whoops.
Fuck. This is crazy. I remember when fight quest and human weapon came out I thought it was one of the coolest things on TV. Then the previews the Wing Chun episode and I saw Leung Ting was gonna be apart of it and I got gassed up. I was thinking oh shit. Leung Ting's gonna live up to his reputation as "Thug Ting" on TV? I couldnt wait. When the episode aired I was so disappointed. Like Leung Ting should've phoned Norbert Maday, or Kernspecht, or somebody to send some goons down to Hong Kong or something. I couldnt help but think who the fuck was that other sifu and no way his students would hold up against Leung Ting's cream of the crop. shortly later on i saw Fighterman(Sifu Paul) talking about some behind the scenes incidents.......Master Rene Latosa was talking shit about how ridiculous their FMA episode was too.
Anyway. Your idea for the Kung Fu episode sounded awesome and I would've loved to see wing chun stand with those other CMA's
The producer would not allow a non-Asian WT fighter on the show if you held a gun to his head.
@@TheKungFuGenius I got that. It's just at the time 08 me was frustrated. Sifu Boztepe was pretty much my frame of reference for WT along with the Victor Gutierrez Budo international and Wooden Dummy VHS clips that were on RUclips. I'm sure you're all too familiar with that feeling.
Don't forget the "shadow kick"
Never Forget
Wow throwback to my lost youth. Iirc, the hosts won their fights by ducking and throwing overhands.
What the heck I thought Skreetch was dead plus I did not know he did Kung fu.
Screetch lives, and he knows everything.
Did you watch one of Jimmy Smith channel video talking about this, maybe you should let him know your side of story
Thank you! Since my video came out I get 4 messages a day about his video. I will do a follow up to discuss some of the things he said. Believe it or not, I agree with most of what he said too.
Leung Ting was always great at marketing. But facing other kung fu schools rather than WC would go against the show's formula, so was never going to happen. Maybe that wasn't quite as obvious back then.
The producer told me they wanted to do something different for this episode, and then just backtracked. Had we known in advance, we would’ve had a bunch of dudes prepared.
Being a WC guy I watched that Fight Quest episode with high expectations. I thought Jimmy and Doug did a fine job, and Doug was particularly respectful. LT came off very poorly from the start with his Grandmaster title (I'm glad to hear the backstage info in this vid clearing that up). I thought LT's training sequences with Jimmy were horrible, LT's techniques were worse than a McDojo actor. Hearing LT's Hong Kong school had no practically trained fighters is unsurprising. Yes, having WC guys spar with other Kung Fu styles would've played to WC's strengths, but shouldn't have been necessary. The episode was okay, but LT's school was a disgrace.
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@@TheKungFuGenius Thanks for the video, it was interesting hearing the tv production drama you had to deal with. Keep up the good work!
@@contemptussaeculi8084 appreciate it!
I was wondering the point of this vid, but man, I saw jimmy's vid on filming the fight quest episode after and jimmy talks alot of shit in his vid...esp about wing chuns practicality and leung ting. And then all the comments are all "leung ting is a fraud". Glad you present another side/perspective. I got respect for leung ting, the h8 he gets is not deserved. Woulda been interesting to see how you faired against jimmy.
Thanks for your comments. The reality is that the way the show was set up, I don't think any WT/WC etc would have looked particularly good. Also people don't realize how many "famous" Sifus said "NO" to Fight Quest. Many of them are hiding from the cameras....
There are so many charles' in the industry. It's ridiculous.
Absolutely. I was blown away by one of the comments on this video which said it sounded like I was being unfair to the producer. Unfair to a TV show producer? Are these really the people who need defending LOL. The guy was such a pocket-racist and a complete hack.
@@TheKungFuGenius i got stories for days about these kind of people. who btw, i will now and forever call them "Charles" funny enough that voice you put on sounds just like lorne michaels(producer of saurday night live) obviously lorne michaels wasnt producing fight quest but your impression sounds like lorne.
Despite what you said, at his own website (leungting.com) Mr T Leung introduces himself not only as a Grandmaster, but as the "Great Grandmaster" (GGM).
Losing the will to explain stuff
Fight quest always trained in a style then fought within that styles school. Idk what your even talking about. About all that no white guy stuff why did they fly a white guy in. Why not just say you were fighting at the end....sounds fishy
The producer told me they wanted to do something different for the finale and they like the idea. But I agree, I don't know why Sifu LT flew in an Italian guy when they already nixed white dudes fighting. Maybe he thought he could force him to use that guy since there wasn't anyone else. I don't really have a good answer for that! Thanks for commenting.
@@TheKungFuGenius was the Italians dude ...sifu Fernandez? I am a old wc guy stopped training about 4 years ago after 25 years and 3 different systems. I am well versed in all the political bullshit😆
You know it buddy! He has commented somewhere on this video about it.
Have you watched Jimmy's behind the scenes podcast of this episode? He seems to be more on the side of his Producer... ugh... such misunderstanding of a culture and art.
It makes sense - he’s not wrong from his perspective.
The fight idea of him doesnt make that much sense. Its about watching a match of that style in particular. But I get why he recommended it. WC doesnt have a a ruleset and if they are honest they dont have people able to fight if they dont crosstrain. Regarding the producer. It was about exotic martial arts. It is misplaced to ridicule the producer for wanting asian guys in the video. Its just the same if you want to show mexican boxing in chinese tv ,they want to see mexicans doing it. Its about the viewers expectation not what it is in reality. Has nothing to do with "inclusion" etc. but catering to stereotypes which is 95% of TV.
And sorry to say but the guest is such a fake suck up. If someone has nothing to contribute just do the podcast on your own. He is like a laughing track in soap operas.
The way Jimmy describes Leung in his podcast is sadly how I experienced WC/WT schools. Went there with an open mind but only found a big mouth, lots of money hunger and not much skill. Was mostly WT. The style and training methods have gaps one maybe could fix but then you go against "tradition" and the branding . F.e. hand trapping. You do that against someone even remotely competent in stand up and they feint and blast you away. It only works in drills or vs. people with no fight skills and even then you leave yourself very open. You even mentioned Dunning Kruger effect. That is very prominent with WT practitioners.
I respect all styles there are from Tai Chi to boxing to WC..etc. but if you cannot adapt to effective martial arts (as then you wont use any of the WC stuff not the stance, kick, chain punch..etc) then you have a problem IF you market yourself as this deadly martial art. Brand yourself as calisthenics or just fitness or exotic weapons movement and its fine.
That Alex Richter mentions the EWTO in a positive light on his hp is a red flag to me as I know some of their business methods which are repulsive to say the least. In the end every closed martial art that is about fighting but without competition looses its touch with reality. Its simply not pressure tested anymore and develops into folklore.
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@@TheKungFuGenius if you get something out of being passive agressive go for it. t. Supporting Kernspecht and his methods instead of critisizing them, is contrary to what martial arts should stand for. Glad to help your algorithm.
Shite.
I applaud people who can comment with one word.
Kung Fu is nonsense anyway
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Yeah wing choon too stupid. Even behind the scene is a mess
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@@TheKungFuGenius of course. Not much of wing chun bullshit lately. I hope there are many fight between wingnchun vs other style and wing chun humiliate themselves 😅