So it is inflict 3,7 poison per hit and 2 to yourself for a cost of a slightly worse class unique? Still doesn't seem worth it. Serpent is 3 poison on 1 hit without any buffs, does more normal dmg, has 30% duplication on all poison and even eats slightly less stamina with 5% extra accu. Downside is need for mana. Only really good part about Spears is that self-inflicted poison counts towards crystals so theoretically downside can be fully neglected. However poison works over time so depending how fast you are you need more and more crystals to neglect that dmg which makes it tricky. If I have to guess you probably need to use demonic flasks with them. Spear is more like 10 wins and gtfo item. Very hard to make it work late survival vs anything good. This time I disliked your fight analysis. Too bias. Spears inflicted 2,8 poison/sec so Struggles part from them makes almost 2/sec totall. 8,8/sec is reflected enemy poison. With 21,6 poison/sec you had 12,8/sec from your own sources which in fact is less than your opponent had... while his Serpent Staff was totally disabled (0 poison) due to Mrs Struggles and his terrible orb positioning. So yeah... you would be MASSIVELY outpoisoned if not for the ideal double counter match-up. And guy didn't even use Scythe. Also if you have 2:2 on crystals in crown you still lose. Btw. you reflected 8,8/sec enemy poison where he applied 14,6/sec meaning your Struggles had connect ratio of roughly 60% instead of avg. 35% ;) However this is not that strange as Struggles is rigged and you will get % bonuses if game decides you are the weaker side and here it decided so which is also reflected with double counter in your favor m-m. It's BB all in all - there is a tone of various hidden 'helping hands' for below avg. players and midrange builds (the case). It doesn't work Lucky unless you have a shitload of crystals. Here you have essentially 3 which is sth but I would say you need more AND you need flasks. Tough. You may win these fights but numbers don't lie and If you go Serpent you are much, much stronger.
Yeah I agree that the Serpent Staff is a way stronger weapon for sure but I though this was an awesome interaction with Mr Struggles and inflicting that self inflicted poison with the poison spear too on our opponents. So technically our spears inflicted 3 poison on hit and with the Death Scythe it goes to 6 and inflicting 4 poison on ourselves but then Mr Struggles has a chance to inflict that self inflicted poison which was 4 but then with the death scythe becomes 8 poison on our opponents so it roughly comes out to 14 poison hit from our spears (35%) of the time even though technically it is 8 poison coming from Mr Struggles, all which contribute to the crystals and I agree more crystals is gonna be better for this type of build
@@LuckOuts Yeah i made a slight error in counting. It is 7,4 basic + 35%*8 not 4 cuz Struggles was also under Scythe so it doubles as well making it +2,8 on avg. Still not worth it unless you know about that Struggles 'rigging' and willing to purposefully exploit it... which is really not cool in my opinion ;/ Tbh I would be pissed off if I see that board cuz: a) I assume you know about it if you have picked that build and you are exploiting feature made to protect weaker players (I mean BB ranked is in large part that but here it is purely going for an exploit b) You know that game algorithms will recognize your board as a weak making a and c possible c) You are exploiting favorable m-m due to 'faking' being weak and forcing additional Struggles benefits. Take a notice that since r. 13 you got either debuff comps or weak history boards. Versus one neutral Noct comp you lost. No matter whether it's on purpose or not (In general obviously cuz here it is just testing new item) I have to assume latter if I see that board as it is more logical. And with that natural reaction is "F you" as your whole gameplan is all about exploiting flawed system xd Yeah that's the dark side of BB in ranked and nowadays beta as well ;p Too many ways to exploit extremaly qustionable m-m system. Many dudes do it even without knowing the rules based on the intuition and results :D Spears may work but if they do it's only because of rigging in your favor. On paper they have no buisness working in later survival as they fight for a slot with Scythe, Serpent and DSaber. We don't have infinite stamina ;p
Its cool to see some of this builds though - sometimes you just dont get what you need, but get what you get. You cant allways force bulds, and seeing this variety lets us be flexible.
@@tabularasa6666 You can almost always force build bro. It's have been a while since I wasn't able to force sth good. Sure, top tier stuff may be not forceable but majority is. Worst can happen is being forced to lower expectations unless you are being rigged to death in ranked and have to go absolutely full tempo ;p However being rigged to death with unwinable whatever you did match-up one after another realistically applies only to top mmr bracket so for most players it isn't a issue. In BB flexibility exists only in early, later there is no such thing. Round 8 comes and it's a last call you start forcing sth. Many good builds has to be forced already earlier. Falcon builds f.e you can be forcing starting with round 2, Golem builds or insta lamp may be as early as r 1 with forced Shovel. That's probably a reason why do you think that way: you start forcing stuff too late and you lack time or once you started forcing you force too hard losing too much value and tempo with hard mullying like crazy for a very few items. Good forcing is actually slow and steady with piece by piece.
@@LuckOuts You want a hard challenge based on +10 gold lobby? Do a Hostage Rainbows and than fish for Struggles in history. Effects are mind blowing :) To do a legendary Hostage Rainbows man needs following: - 2x Pyro Omegas - at least 14 acceptable activators for them that aren't weapons - 3x steel amulets with a Shield of Valor or a MoonShield; alternatively 4x steel - 2x or 3x Thornbloom - Struggles as an opponent Rest you can figure yourself. 2x any Rainbows isn't easy but manageable however 2x Rainbows with specific ingredients is pretty hard if reco isn't highly generous. It is worth it though, trust me :) Additional tip: when you fish for Struggles try to reduce background processes if possible. BB is having a really hard time with that one ;p And do not try to open the log before fight ends. Enjoy. Shit is legendary.
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I loved the final battle! Could not have asked for a more perfect finale.
I had never stopped to think about it but the corrupted crystal in the king's crown is a very strong strategy
Yeah it really is awesome when it comes to stacking poison or debuffs
GG nice build
So it is inflict 3,7 poison per hit and 2 to yourself for a cost of a slightly worse class unique? Still doesn't seem worth it. Serpent is 3 poison on 1 hit without any buffs, does more normal dmg, has 30% duplication on all poison and even eats slightly less stamina with 5% extra accu. Downside is need for mana. Only really good part about Spears is that self-inflicted poison counts towards crystals so theoretically downside can be fully neglected. However poison works over time so depending how fast you are you need more and more crystals to neglect that dmg which makes it tricky. If I have to guess you probably need to use demonic flasks with them.
Spear is more like 10 wins and gtfo item. Very hard to make it work late survival vs anything good.
This time I disliked your fight analysis. Too bias. Spears inflicted 2,8 poison/sec so Struggles part from them makes almost 2/sec totall. 8,8/sec is reflected enemy poison. With 21,6 poison/sec you had 12,8/sec from your own sources which in fact is less than your opponent had... while his Serpent Staff was totally disabled (0 poison) due to Mrs Struggles and his terrible orb positioning. So yeah... you would be MASSIVELY outpoisoned if not for the ideal double counter match-up. And guy didn't even use Scythe. Also if you have 2:2 on crystals in crown you still lose.
Btw. you reflected 8,8/sec enemy poison where he applied 14,6/sec meaning your Struggles had connect ratio of roughly 60% instead of avg. 35% ;) However this is not that strange as Struggles is rigged and you will get % bonuses if game decides you are the weaker side and here it decided so which is also reflected with double counter in your favor m-m. It's BB all in all - there is a tone of various hidden 'helping hands' for below avg. players and midrange builds (the case).
It doesn't work Lucky unless you have a shitload of crystals. Here you have essentially 3 which is sth but I would say you need more AND you need flasks. Tough. You may win these fights but numbers don't lie and If you go Serpent you are much, much stronger.
Yeah I agree that the Serpent Staff is a way stronger weapon for sure but I though this was an awesome interaction with Mr Struggles and inflicting that self inflicted poison with the poison spear too on our opponents. So technically our spears inflicted 3 poison on hit and with the Death Scythe it goes to 6 and inflicting 4 poison on ourselves but then Mr Struggles has a chance to inflict that self inflicted poison which was 4 but then with the death scythe becomes 8 poison on our opponents so it roughly comes out to 14 poison hit from our spears (35%) of the time even though technically it is 8 poison coming from Mr Struggles, all which contribute to the crystals and I agree more crystals is gonna be better for this type of build
@@LuckOuts Yeah i made a slight error in counting. It is 7,4 basic + 35%*8 not 4 cuz Struggles was also under Scythe so it doubles as well making it +2,8 on avg. Still not worth it unless you know about that Struggles 'rigging' and willing to purposefully exploit it... which is really not cool in my opinion ;/ Tbh I would be pissed off if I see that board cuz:
a) I assume you know about it if you have picked that build and you are exploiting feature made to protect weaker players (I mean BB ranked is in large part that but here it is purely going for an exploit
b) You know that game algorithms will recognize your board as a weak making a and c possible
c) You are exploiting favorable m-m due to 'faking' being weak and forcing additional Struggles benefits. Take a notice that since r. 13 you got either debuff comps or weak history boards. Versus one neutral Noct comp you lost.
No matter whether it's on purpose or not (In general obviously cuz here it is just testing new item) I have to assume latter if I see that board as it is more logical. And with that natural reaction is "F you" as your whole gameplan is all about exploiting flawed system xd
Yeah that's the dark side of BB in ranked and nowadays beta as well ;p Too many ways to exploit extremaly qustionable m-m system. Many dudes do it even without knowing the rules based on the intuition and results :D Spears may work but if they do it's only because of rigging in your favor. On paper they have no buisness working in later survival as they fight for a slot with Scythe, Serpent and DSaber. We don't have infinite stamina ;p
Its cool to see some of this builds though - sometimes you just dont get what you need, but get what you get. You cant allways force bulds, and seeing this variety lets us be flexible.
@@tabularasa6666 You can almost always force build bro. It's have been a while since I wasn't able to force sth good. Sure, top tier stuff may be not forceable but majority is. Worst can happen is being forced to lower expectations unless you are being rigged to death in ranked and have to go absolutely full tempo ;p However being rigged to death with unwinable whatever you did match-up one after another realistically applies only to top mmr bracket so for most players it isn't a issue.
In BB flexibility exists only in early, later there is no such thing. Round 8 comes and it's a last call you start forcing sth. Many good builds has to be forced already earlier. Falcon builds f.e you can be forcing starting with round 2, Golem builds or insta lamp may be as early as r 1 with forced Shovel. That's probably a reason why do you think that way: you start forcing stuff too late and you lack time or once you started forcing you force too hard losing too much value and tempo with hard mullying like crazy for a very few items. Good forcing is actually slow and steady with piece by piece.
@@LuckOuts You want a hard challenge based on +10 gold lobby? Do a Hostage Rainbows and than fish for Struggles in history. Effects are mind blowing :)
To do a legendary Hostage Rainbows man needs following:
- 2x Pyro Omegas
- at least 14 acceptable activators for them that aren't weapons
- 3x steel amulets with a Shield of Valor or a MoonShield; alternatively 4x steel
- 2x or 3x Thornbloom
- Struggles as an opponent
Rest you can figure yourself. 2x any Rainbows isn't easy but manageable however 2x Rainbows with specific ingredients is pretty hard if reco isn't highly generous. It is worth it though, trust me :)
Additional tip: when you fish for Struggles try to reduce background processes if possible. BB is having a really hard time with that one ;p And do not try to open the log before fight ends.
Enjoy. Shit is legendary.