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  • @blakewinfree4871
    @blakewinfree4871 17 часов назад +22

    My philosophy, even as an aggro and midrange player, is that when I see Tech hit the field, I remove it.

    • @Trance2400
      @Trance2400 10 часов назад

      This is the way, Force Choke, Takedown, Traitorous is hilarious on Tech. This is all assuming they were foolish enough to play a Tech before clearing your hand of removal with Spark/Bodhi. Scanning Officer is by far the most effective counter, I've even heard non-green players comment that maybe a few out-of-aspect costed Scanning Officers in the sideboard might be worth considering.

  • @RickTaylor-h4y
    @RickTaylor-h4y 16 часов назад +39

    Best way too fix this is to rule Tech cannot give Smuggle to cards that already have Smuggle.

    • @juanbonilla1006
      @juanbonilla1006 16 часов назад +8

      This is a great idea

    • @stevenm1832
      @stevenm1832 15 часов назад +6

      You’re absolutely right and I thought this was obvious.

    • @seymour_krelborn
      @seymour_krelborn 13 часов назад +1

      Awesome idea. It should either be that or you don't get the extra Smuggle bonus ability if you use Tech's ability.

    • @Pastromi93
      @Pastromi93 12 часов назад

      Gold idea

    • @zandhoeg
      @zandhoeg 11 часов назад

      Thought this was how it would have work4ed from the start but apparently not :/

  • @aureliemonnet8137
    @aureliemonnet8137 11 часов назад +8

    Fun fact, in France a translation mistake fixes that problem. Obviously we play with the official rules but the french text of the han solo cards says that you have to defeat the temporary ressource that you have created and not any ressource😅. We used to play like that before the set 2.

    • @Trance2400
      @Trance2400 10 часов назад +1

      This is how it should be errata'd imo. The Tech+DJ combo is annoying, but the interaction with an active Han ability is the busted part imo.

    • @markusbiewer2756
      @markusbiewer2756 10 часов назад

      I think that same mistake was in the German translation too. Maybe they changed the original text in the last minute and forgot to adapts the translated texts?

    • @SirMesmer
      @SirMesmer 10 часов назад

      This sounds amazing, but also doesn't fix the issue, as it would've mean that you cannot smuggle the resource you've just created, unless we would go with: you have to defeat resource that was created, if you smuggle it - the resource that took it's place.

    • @Trance2400
      @Trance2400 10 часов назад

      ​@@SirMesmerit would solve the most common problem I've experienced; DJ being smuggled when my resources are exhausted, so I can't remove DJ before the Han ability resolves at end of turn. With a Han ability fix, you at least have the option to claim, try to remove DJ and get your resource back.

  • @JackDelfino1
    @JackDelfino1 16 часов назад +13

    I think the solution is to clarify rules and say if a card has smuggle already you can’t give it smuggle again. That way tech does not interact with Dj. No banned cards but the “combo” breaks

    • @sethhelman7796
      @sethhelman7796 15 часов назад +1

      Even at 7 with han dj is a problem. Han gets a 6 cost leader out at 5 and knocks the opponent down to 4 resources with dj. You get 2 phases with han out before any other 6 drop leader can come out

    • @gomorrhagaming8151
      @gomorrhagaming8151 9 часов назад

      @@sethhelman7796 At some oint you have to accept defeat if you can't handle a 4/6 leader on 5. Sometimes you loose against other 4/6 on 5 leaders too. What i am trying to say is, not every single defeat by han1 or DJ is the problem, its the consistency and time point of it, if any.
      I think the smuggle errata would be a smart solution as the result is no banned cards and no contradicting cardtext to how the rules actually work due to errata. although i would like an errata on solo that you can only defeat ressources you own. still, the smuggle solution is more elegant

    • @sethhelman7796
      @sethhelman7796 4 часа назад

      @gomorrhagaming8151 getting rid of the han leader unit has never been an issue for me. It's the losing the resource which sets you back combined with the hand disruption. Even if I have the solution on board for the next turn or in hand I can't get it out because I lose the resource.

  • @tylerwalker3512
    @tylerwalker3512 17 часов назад +7

    From what I’ve learned from other card games, designers need to be careful with energy untapping, energy resting/stealing, and aggro being to aggro. Lol

  • @brianz4900
    @brianz4900 17 часов назад +12

    change Han to only defeat a resource you own

    • @destroyerbrad906
      @destroyerbrad906 13 часов назад

      So why does Lando say a resource you own and Han say control? I agree with @brian4900

    • @The_Decker
      @The_Decker 8 часов назад

      I think that's the way to go. Lando leader can't defeat a resource he doesn't own, so I don't see why Han should be able to.
      I guess they didn't think about this interaction when future proofing the card.

  • @djclero6861
    @djclero6861 8 часов назад +1

    The fact that Dj was indeed a mistake for me lies in the fact that Lando who came in the same set as DJ has a very complex phrasing of his ability just to prevent the combo, whereas Han simply by virtue of already being there slipped out of attention

  • @rotaryrotary4227
    @rotaryrotary4227 7 часов назад +1

    Players like the idea of being able to ramp up to 10+ resources, but don't like the idea that a card can attack those resources.

  • @LouisJennings-Melrose
    @LouisJennings-Melrose Час назад +1

    This is a hot take mate. DJ can easily be removed by a lot of cards and if you’re getting owned by it, you’re not planning around it right.

  • @joshuagross5235
    @joshuagross5235 3 часа назад

    You could change han ability to say "defeat a resource that you own and control". This would keep Han from working as intended, and keep DJ from working as intended so the Han player cannot defeat the stolen resource.

  • @tyler_carnes
    @tyler_carnes 17 часов назад +3

    There certainly are ways to play around DJ. However, the resource snipe is too much of an NPE if players dont have the answers in hand (because you wont always draw/have the answer). Han's ability to hand-hate can even strip your answers if you do draw them. Probably has to be fixed to destroy only resources you own on Han.

  • @kiwirawks5500
    @kiwirawks5500 7 часов назад

    It's funny, others said it before. The localised versions of Han seem to always reference the destruction of the card that Han drew, not any card. So you couldn't just kill an enemy ressource

  • @williamgold3920
    @williamgold3920 3 часа назад

    I think a fix would be limiting tech and dj to decks from 3 to 1 so less likely to pull that combo

  • @mcollingwood6356
    @mcollingwood6356 8 часов назад

    Its the perfect storm of factors that make it extremely good with Han. Green and red decks are especially vulnerable to it as you don't have bouncing or instakill to be able to undo it immediately (apart from Force Choke in villainy). For green, Scanning Officer would be a must. Yellow and Blue are less of an issue. Yellow heroism in also has clear the field which undoes it for only 2 resources which should put the non-dj player at a big advantage.
    If you're playing Tarkintown against a Han Yellow deck, don't do the fashionable thing and use it up on the first unit that gets damaged 😅

  • @ReallyBigBadAndy76
    @ReallyBigBadAndy76 15 часов назад +3

    I hate the DJ/Tech/Han combo. I hate everything about it. I agree that it’s frustrating and unfun to play against. It is at least somewhat meta warping in that it’s prevalent enough that you need to have a plan for dealing with it. I wish they hadn’t made DJ and given him this problematic ability. Was it a mistake? Yes.
    But what is the criteria we want to use to start banning things? Boba was 2/3 of every competitive events entrants. Han/DJ/Tech isn’t close. Is it unbeatable? Of course not. Is the outcome (falling one resource behind your opponent) an unprecedented negative experience? No. There’s a dozen ways a deck can ramp and get a resource ahead. Many of these can be combined to put you multiple resources ahead.
    I think there are ways to “fix” this. Errata Han to be a resource you “own.” Fix tech to clarify he doesn’t change the smuggle conditions for cards that already have it, or rule that when Han defeats a resource his opponent owns it goes back to them. I wouldn’t cry about any of these.

    • @Trance2400
      @Trance2400 10 часов назад

      @@ReallyBigBadAndy76 I think the criteria for banning a card should also consider how it is effecting deck building and play enjoyment. If a deck that only represents ~20% of the field requires countering in deck/sideboard, and is miserable to play against, I think that that is also meta warping in a different way to Boba dominating % wise.

  • @wampastompin
    @wampastompin 2 часа назад

    They just need to adjust Han’s ability so he has to destroy a resource he “owns” and not controls. Easy peasy. Eventually when you kill DJ you get your resource back

  • @meeplepeat
    @meeplepeat 9 часов назад

    As you said, bans are always something that are bad. ANd I played Han in Set 2. Actually no one carred as Boba dominated. Now with Boba gone which held Han in check, it changed. And as some people say Tech should never be allowed to be alive. In any game. But Han got played with DJ as Lando had the restriction.
    Is the combo strong? yes. Well it is a combo you need to draw? Yes. Did I loose games to this? For sure. Did I loose games due to Scanning officer? Yes. There are always counter plays and if you don't mulligan for something to counter tech or DJ against Han, you should consinder it. It is similar to keep a Poe or Wrecker in Sabine ECL on your opening hand. In the end it luck on card draw.
    If the infinite combo whould be easier to archive, this would be another trick you need to know as a player. Similar if a player does not put down a resource to ambush better with Valiant Gunship.
    WHat is also not fun, Control. Once all units are removed in the blink of an eye, DJ falls into that trap to. And now as the Meta is setting, more and more control decks will rise for sure.
    And another thought. Take Bossk and Price On Your Head. That is a Two ressource swing two and a reason it is played. If you add Vigilance into the mix, which was a very prominent deck in Set 2 it was really tough to beat.
    I even would say, if a deck draws all the pieces it needs, you will not beat it. I had it with Sabine, Kylo, Control.
    That said the only advise I would give, prepare for it. Have an answer at hand. Be it Takedown, Swoop Down, Surprise Strike, whatever works. I heard Mace Vigilance was a pretty good counter seeing the PQs in Germany where Boosk and Mace won the last two ones.
    WHatever the case, happy days and enjoy playing!

  • @lostronin9113
    @lostronin9113 10 часов назад +1

    🤷🏾‍♂️Maybe I feel differently since I have been playing Han since set 1 but I don’t think it’s as unbeatable as people say it’s just annoying all the outs you would play to stop the dj tech combo aren’t annoyingly specific either in comparison to something like confiscate

    • @TheRobo101
      @TheRobo101 4 часа назад

      def not unbeatable its just one of those things where if you dont have an answer in your hand for it you have most likely lost the game.

  • @Trance2400
    @Trance2400 15 часов назад +1

    DJ in isolation is fine, like a Traitorous for a resource. DJ with Han or Tech is an interaction that feels like it shouldn't be doing what it is doing. It feels like your opponent is cheating, which I suppose is at least thematic for Han. In reality it has caused a frustratingly high number of judge calls at my LGS even during what would normally have been casual play, and a decent amount of negative player interactions too.

  • @stevenm1832
    @stevenm1832 15 часов назад

    Can you look which resource you take from your opponent so you can use tech to take it out?

  • @WelshJesus
    @WelshJesus 7 часов назад

    Set rotation is being announced this week so we’ll see how it goes. I also don’t see banning cards as being a problem. I get that Yugioh has been around for over 25 years but they have over 100 cards on the ban list.

    • @AnimeHeroTCG
      @AnimeHeroTCG 2 часа назад

      Rotation to be announced this week? Were did you find this information?? Also rather have 100+ cards banned in a enteral format instead of being forced to keep up with a power creept-bottle neck rotation(s). One more thing from my experience content creators will also lean off the a TCG when it's based on a rotation(happens a lot in Pokemon) and move to a digital scene and eventually retire the content due to not being able to keep up with the physical interest of the TCG.

    • @AnimeHeroTCG
      @AnimeHeroTCG 2 часа назад

      Rotation to be announced this week? Were did you find this information?? Also rather have 100+ cards banned in a enteral format instead of being forced to keep up with a power creept-bottle neck rotation(s). One more thing from my experience content creators will also lean off the a TCG when it's based on a rotation(happens a lot in Pokemon) and move to a digital scene and eventually retire the content due to not being able to keep up with the physical interest of the TCG.

    • @AnimeHeroTCG
      @AnimeHeroTCG 2 часа назад

      Rotation to be announced this week? Were did you find this information?? Also rather have 100+ cards banned in a enteral format instead of being forced to keep up with a power creept-bottle neck rotation(s). One more thing from my experience content creators will also lean off the a TCG when it's based on a rotation(happens a lot in Pokemon) and move to a digital scene and eventually retire the content due to not being able to keep up with the physical interest of the TCG.

    • @AnimeHeroTCG
      @AnimeHeroTCG 2 часа назад

      Were did you find set rotation being announced this week?

  • @stinkycheese1173
    @stinkycheese1173 11 часов назад

    whats crazy is lando leader says defeat a resource you OWN and control. does han need to be eratted to this?

  • @pintandominisdejuegos
    @pintandominisdejuegos 10 часов назад

    On my first game on my local store last week I played against two of this decks I didnt understand what was going on when they broke my resource and I went form 4 to 3 hehe

  • @scorimidnight
    @scorimidnight 12 часов назад

    I feel like the wording in Han1's Ability is wrong. In german it "was", that you have to destroy the ressource you put down, and not any ressource. Feels like that is more the correct wording, since I feel like Han was supposed to do that comp but with Lando Set1 Unit, so that you technically could steal a ressource forever but give your opponent a time window of one round to react to. Otherwise i dont really get why you would want to play Lando Unit in the first place. i dont think you wanna give up ressources in the later stages of the game

  • @funtimewithhuskyman5601
    @funtimewithhuskyman5601 10 часов назад

    Nah Dj is okay, the biggest problem is spark/qui ra/bodhy rook allways crippling your hand. For controll it's unplayable against han and also the ability of han itself making it possible for him to just play 3/5 card on turn 1 or just deploying at 5 resources is op

  • @Stantheman595
    @Stantheman595 9 часов назад

    There have been rumours of a set rotation. They may announce either a ban for the leader or cards

    • @AnimeHeroTCG
      @AnimeHeroTCG 2 часа назад

      Did you hear something about rotation being announced this week?

  • @theorkinquisitor
    @theorkinquisitor 10 часов назад

    Change Han to defeat a resource you control and own

  • @stonerainproductions
    @stonerainproductions 17 часов назад

    DJ is pretty much Annex from MTG.

  • @dipstick555
    @dipstick555 13 часов назад +1

    its not a problem for any deck worth their salt because it has the same health as sabine - it being dj or tech. There are a ton of ways to deal 5 damage or bounce a 3 cost unit in the game.... at least there is for me I play cunning

    • @fabriziocassolinogonzalez2765
      @fabriziocassolinogonzalez2765 11 часов назад

      Cunning can do almost everything xd

    • @Trance2400
      @Trance2400 10 часов назад

      @@dipstick555 yes there is, but a good Han player is stripping your hand of removal with Spark/Bodhi before playing Tech. Could just as easily say that any Han player worth their salt isn't playing into your removal.

    • @lostronin9113
      @lostronin9113 10 часов назад

      @@Trance2400can can still draw into stuff and as long as your not playing heavy control your probably not getting sparked and bodhi back to back so it’s not like your never gonna have a hand

    • @Trance2400
      @Trance2400 10 часов назад

      @lostronin9113 because playing off top deck is a famously reliable strategy to pull removal in non-control decks? You buying a lot of lotto tickets while you're at it?

    • @lostronin9113
      @lostronin9113 5 часов назад

      @@Trance2400 it’s just as likely I see dj as it is for you to see your removal sooo….

  • @gabrieltredo6080
    @gabrieltredo6080 10 часов назад

    Is Not DJ nor tech.
    The deck is also a very good Aggro, I think we should ban cards like that are often used in cunning Agro. And some of the 💚🤍 for Sabine.
    It’s unfair all this 2/2 with shields because as the defender you are always behind. More cards like concord down and we a restricted vigilance(max. 1 in the deck) so the game doesn’t get so boring.

  • @chaqalaqalaqa
    @chaqalaqalaqa 14 часов назад +1

    I love SWU so much and I’m super involved in it but DJ in Han makes me just not want to play the game at all. It’s super unfun.

  • @heroldthiele
    @heroldthiele 11 минут назад

    All the RAMP that exist is WHAY more annoying (than this VERY complicated way to get a negative-ramp).
    In how many games Han WINS - does this combo actually works (and has an impact)??!
    it’s JUST that yellow is kinda OP right now……
    🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @jacobblecha8781
    @jacobblecha8781 13 часов назад

    Lando from set one can defeat other players' resources, too

    • @VeiledShotSWU
      @VeiledShotSWU  12 часов назад +1

      Lando can only return your own resources

    • @jacobblecha8781
      @jacobblecha8781 12 часов назад +3

      @VeiledShotSWU i was today years old when I learned how to actually read a card lol

  • @thergaming168
    @thergaming168 15 часов назад +2

    Know what? I had a quite interesting conversation with my LGS guy when Boba got banned, saying that I didnt like much that a deck was so prevalent but I hated more that anything got banned because it set a precedent. And I wouldnt be sad if/when Tech gets banned, BUT somethign else will take its place and people will want it banned. Maybe the game would have been better without any ban at all. Now hear me out, maybe the sole counter measure to tech is unbanning Boba. Yall can grab your pitchforks, or give it a real thought. Whatever, in the end it is not even the community who dictates the game. Sigh/end of rant!^^

  • @TheRobo101
    @TheRobo101 17 часов назад

    Oh I was complaining wholeheartedly lol so hard to play anything against han solo when your at 5 and he's at 10 and about to bounce, han solo unit, DJ you again he's like a cracked out ramp control deck that doesn't run outta cards due to smuggle. Maybe scanning officer is the key to beating him lol

    • @Trance2400
      @Trance2400 10 часов назад

      @@TheRobo101 legit had a few non-green players at my LGS discussing whether out-of-aspect costed Scanning Officers would be worth it in the sideboard because of how much Han there is in the local meta.

    • @lostronin9113
      @lostronin9113 10 часов назад

      That legit what scanning officer was made for but nobody wants to play green rn

  • @TruongMtgArenaHearthstone03
    @TruongMtgArenaHearthstone03 17 часов назад

    I wouldn't consider han a control deck but it's only good in han deck lol

  • @Cloudcity_minis
    @Cloudcity_minis 15 часов назад +1

    Unintentional design. Probably should be fixed somehow. Errata Han or Suspend DJ.

  • @zd-1249
    @zd-1249 5 часов назад

    Why has no one talked about some sort of limited or restricted list? Having only 1-2 copies of Tech/DJ instead of 3 seems way better than banning outright.

  • @rebelresource
    @rebelresource 17 часов назад

    DJ/Hanwas a mistake ;p Literally

  • @GarrettRonco501
    @GarrettRonco501 16 часов назад +1

    There is no issue imo hes only 20ish percent of metta and isnt unbeatable.

    • @lostronin9113
      @lostronin9113 10 часов назад

      Agreed

    • @Trance2400
      @Trance2400 10 часов назад

      @@GarrettRonco501 the % representation in the meta isn't the problem, it's the effect it has within the meta. Because it's ~20%, you need to prepare to face Han, which means you need to choose your sideboard specifically for countering one deck, instead of entire categories like aggro/midrange/control. Additionally, it's just plain miserable to play against, not just the Tech-DJ-Han combo but also the discard, bounce, Qi'ra increased cost, Han unit ambushes, Hotshot aggro, the combo allows the deck to utilise all of this without detriment. You're going to get that misery ~20% of the time, and the effect that has on player enjoyment and morale is a factor.

    • @Trance2400
      @Trance2400 10 часов назад

      I'll also add that while its only ~20% of the worldwide meta, it's ~50% of my local meta. You also see that in some of the Top 8 lists, some are 40-60% Han in Top 8 at certain locations.

  • @weman201
    @weman201 17 часов назад +4

    There is plenty of ways to d3al with DJ...it's a get good moment tbh

    • @juanbonilla1006
      @juanbonilla1006 16 часов назад

      Sure buddy

    • @Trance2400
      @Trance2400 15 часов назад +3

      Translated to: "I play Han, you're all just bad. Don't ban my busted combo." Toxic af.

    • @lostronin9113
      @lostronin9113 10 часов назад

      @@Trance2400to be fair there are .Waylay ,new adventure ,spare the target,take down ,scanning officer ,force choke these are just the things I could think of off the top of my head that don’t just include killing him with units

  • @fraseraffleck6232
    @fraseraffleck6232 17 часов назад

    Just errata Tech to only affecting the true cost of a card and not any secondary (e.g smuggle ) costs. Problem solved.