kecleon by far! He's very expressive, although Starmie's is super cool too. Also, have a look at Honchcrow's idle in PBD. It's amazing and it makes me love the pokemon so much more
Hariyama. Hands down. Not just to comply with the rule of three. But also because it's just so fluid. Also because I remember how good the attack animations for Hariyama are as well, with the sumo push type animation.
I never noticed this before but... Kecleon... is actually really cute. Seeing it animated like this makes me forget that it is not an actual animal. It looks so alive. Gamefreak, what the hell are you doing?
Don’t forget what GameFreak did to typhlosion in gen 6. They got rid of the fire around his neck, only for it to appear when he’s in an attacking animation.
I dislike that too, but to be fair Colosseum/XD/PBR also had his fire only come out when he attacks. He looked just as odd and naked with no fire when idle there, too.
But the fire IS supposed to appear only when attacking. Gens 2-5 kinda messed that up. No I'm not a shill, I'm just saying that this one was done right.
he looks awful without his fire, but honestly that's the way it's supposed to be lol. we're just too used to the old sprites that had to have it all the time
That fire always made me excited, showing that it's a challenging opponent, but when it's all out, it looks calm but has it's guard up...😐 sorry everytime I play pokemon it's as if I'm watching an anime and not just playing it, my imagination goes wild
Exactly. The reason people are even criticising the animation so harshly in the first place is *because* the roster was cut down. Not everyone liked it before (I thought it was pretty lifeless, and all the flying mons from gen 6 and below literally hovered in place bc of sky battles back in XY), but I don't think this many people would be complaining if the animations weren't used as an excuse for cut content.
@@zoruasnivy AND it´s on the switch which allowed much more animations that are better and we probably didn´t care about animation on the 3ds because the 3ds didn´t have much power
@@zoruasnivy exactly game freaks reasoning for cutting pokemon is they have higher quality animations, yet these are the same animations for every pokemon game that has come out on the 3ds. If they released all pokemon fine i guess m, if they are cutting pokemon then where the heck are these animations they spoke of
And even then, it is a pretty weak excuse. There are other RPG's and games in general with way more enemies or NPC's in general made by companies as big as Gamefreak and they are caring about getting their animations for every NPC right and making them look good.
@@zoruasnivy If this game was drop dead gorgeous like the Let's Go crap, barely anyone would be complaining and I personally probably would be getting back into Pokemon.
It's funny because the idle animations of the pokemon in Smash Bros Ultimate are more accurate representations of the characters than the animations in their own games.
most of Smash Ultimate's character animations are better than their original counterpart, because Sakurai puts so much time into making sure they're the highest quality. Just look at Yoshi's fluid animations in Ultimate, and then go look at the animations in Yoshi's Crafted World.
I am going to buy a Switch if Game Freak names their next Stadium/Battle Revolution spin-off as "Pokémon SMASH". With high quality animations of course like Smash.
>animations aren't important yeah, I've always wanted to play a game that has characters t-posing, sliding everywhere and showing no emotion, sounds like it would be a great game.
Can't really understand why people don't care about animations. As consumers it's our jobs to ask for the best product they can make. Animations are literally what we spend all of our time staring at while playing pokemon , heck, video games in general! We want an attractive game that brings life to the characters
Because there are two types of consumers, those that think and know what they want from their product and those that just consume popular trending products and media without question. Unfortunately the latter is gonna make sure this game sales well because, you know, its Pokemon.
"The animations are not important" as someone who grew up playing different pokemon games, one of my favourite to this day is Pokemon Colosseum BECAUSE of how fluid and expressive the animations are. You feel like you are in the game. When your pokemon faints you feel a bit of sadness, because of how the pokemon goes down. Yknow, as if you were actually in the pokemon universe. I always loved watching the cool moves they used. Umbreon when using headbutt(I think? Its been a while) doesnt actually run up to the opponent, but rather it takes a step back and dashes forward. Honestly, if they did something like this in the newer games, I would be fine. Yeah contact is nice but you get the idea based on how the pokemon moves. I want to be immersed in the game. When the pokemon stay idle but the model rotates or moved up and down slightly it just... takes you out of the moment. I am actually really disappointed, I honestly thought we were going to get a BOTW like game, and my god was I excited to actually feel like I'm in the game. Ugh. Imho
Don't forget that in the Genius Sonority games, the trainers were much more expressive as well. In XD, they actually reacted when their pokemon took damage. The win/loss animations were full of personality as well, which just makes Game Freak look even worse by comparison.
Koko I don’t really like the main characters in Pokémon colosseum, because i very edgy, the main characters and other npc design are very important for me, the Pokémon too but I don’t really look at them while playing until they make a move, but overall, Game freak should add animation in Pokémon so it doesn’t look boring
You're forgetting the best part: Scizor's animations. It's weird to pluck out a specific pokemon's animations, because Scizor isn't even my favorite pokemon (Luxray 100%), but just the way Scizor moves. Most importantly, its hurt animation. It doesn't just flinch weakly from a blow, it skids all the way back across the ground before recomposing itself and flying back. It made it feel like he was...I dunno...a real animal? And not just a plastic figure standing still and giving the opponent the death stare? Little details matter, but Gamefreak missed even the big details.
I remember being in a battle with my cousin, getting sad then taking revenge for fainting my ninetales, and him pushing back because I fainted his partner. I think it was in a game where you can upload your soul silver pokemon to the Wii game
I hate how people are just ok with the fact that this game looks exactly the same as a game from 2013, down to the models, animations, and effects. It’s 6 years later people, we should expect better.
Its even worse when you stop to think that it was released for the 3DS... And now we're getting a Pokémon game, 6 years later, on a home console! We should definitely expect things with waaaaay more quality.
It realluy doesn't matter what the game looks like 6 year later. You're just going to buy the game and enjoy it. You're not going to NOT buy the game because the animations are reused. Are you also not going to buy BOTW sequel because they confirmed that they are using the same engine and same map fro the first BOTW?
People say only 150 people work at Game freak and that is supposedly an excuse for them to get lazy and not pay attention to animations, but a quick research will show that Genius Sonority who worked on PBR only have 21 employees!!!!
@@Aego384 What Suety B said and also that different teams will work on the story than the graphics so its not like having more of a story will make the whole team need to focus less on different aspects of the game like graphics quality
For the people that still defend GF's Pokemon Idle animation: Consider this, Pokemon is a combination between a Virtual pet game, and a RPG. And do you know what is the point of a virtual pet game? To simulate the feeling of having an actual pet. And Do you know that in order to qualify as a pet, it have to be alive and not look like a lifeless puppet?
It's like trying to argue with an abusive boyfriend. Been there, done that, got a broken hand for my trouble... Really not thrilled with GameFreak and have no desire to buy firsthand while they are pulling this gaslighting bullshit. Thank goodness for the robust Used market that lets me play games without supporting the scummy companies that ruin them.
@@kaydenmorris3407 i mean shes not wrong is she? its literally them using their status as a company to mass gaslight and skim production time, maybe if they were not focussing on lets go we would of got, you know, real games, instead of garbage
FraN_ There is no intelligent way to defend what gamefreak is doing. Now you tubers like Verilisy can only say “This is Pokémon we don’t need those kinds of animations” we don’t need it? Lol this is a dang GAME it’s absolutely necessary
I hate when people say " I don't care about animations/visuals, all I care about is gameplay". As if animations/visuals aren't huge contributing factors to gameplay and game feel.
- Briver - The animations definitely affect game feel. Gameplay though, that’s debatable. DistantKingdom would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the (lack of) animations and the terrible visuals in general would have a detrimental effect on the game MECHANICALLY.
@@GaahrmTheGraet it would't unless this was somehow a smash like game and you needed animations and hit boxes for the models. So yeah the animations don't affect the game mechanically. It sure as heck does affect the game feels.
@@GaahrmTheGraet But Pokémon isn't really that great of an RPG. It's accessible, sure, but the real appeal is the many Pokémon, the sense of exploration and meeting new friends. Lack of animations are a huge issue, regardless of their mechanical implications, especially when a smaller team were able to pull superior products. Even the models look better! Plus with the confirmation of the lack of a National Dex, it is the very least to demand that each Pokémon have great animations, the supposed tradeoff.
Even SNES games have better animations, for example fire emblem 4 and 5 if you turn off the animation in the map you can even see what weapon is the unit using in the map animation
"Animation isn't important" Have fun staring at a still image for 50 hours then if that's the case. Oh wait! Correction: Staring at a still image you paid over $50 for. (edit: YALL KNOW I MEANT IN CURRENT TIME RIGHT? I understand that pokemon was like that back then, but we have the technology to create fully animated games. Yall missed the point)
@@master12151 Yeah, but I was referencing gen 1 more than any of the other three. They did a lot more in 2 than I honestly expected, though, but the point being that it was a lot more excusable for the earliest iterations.
@@Magikarpador Which is why people don't realize that Pokemon is largely designed as a ripoff of Dragon Quest that became far more successful than what it was ripping off. ...lol. Pokemon is Oreos and Dragon Quest is Hydrox. I'll bet there are even people who'd play a DQ game and say "THIS FEELS KIND OF LIKE A RIPOFF OF POKEMON!" because of all of the game mechanics just outright copy-pasted from DQ.
@@thattastedpurple4246 Or maybe you haven't if you honestly believe in that. Dragon Quest is not a monster raising game, I think it's a mechanic in a couple but it's certainly not the focus of the series. Earthbound is a closer ripoff of Dragon Quest than Pokémon is. Unless you're trying to claim that all rpgs are a ripoff of Dragon Quest? Cause I got some bad news for you if that's the case...
Also, since the game's are turn-based, there's not a whole lot of game mechanics in terms of player input, so A LOT of the game resides in the visuals of the battle. If that looks unappealing or lifeless, the gameplay experience will suffer more so than other games. And I mean, it's fine in older games with static sprites, but as time goes on and consoles gain power, Gamefreak has less and less excuse. They already have no excuse considering their Black/White/B2/W2 games have way better animations than Gen 6 and up.
Actually they do have an excuse why the pixel animations are better. Because it's easier to animate pixels. Trust me. These sprites allowed Game Freak to have more artistic liberty. But 3d animation had to look more natural as there is thousands of pixels. Also, even if this wasn't the case. Consider the animators. Game freak brings out a new game basically every year. Animators, writers, programmers, they all get fatigue from working on these games. There isn't much time to slowly regain your passion for something so repetitive. Can everyone here just maybe consider game developers just a little? It hurts to see all this ignorance.
@@kakao-katze >2d sprites are easier to animate No it fucking isn't, the whole point of 3D animation is that you don't have to draw individual frames like with 2d animation. Also, who told you 3D animation has to look more natural? You can easily be just as creative with 3D animation as with 2D. Have you never seen guilty gear xrd or Dragon Ball Fighterz's animations? Please do your reasearch before you type dumb bullshit like this.
@@kakao-katze in this video he literally showed the line meshing of the starmie. If professional people are working on this game, which I hope they are, then I hope they know how to animate using something like line meshing, which is much easier to manipulate than having to draw frames pixel by pixel. Rethink your words and do your research. Also 1000 people worked on SW/SH and it still has terrible animation.
BW/BW2 had had great animations. I used to just stare at the animations to wait what varied moments they would make. It was the number one thing that caught my eye, POKEMON SPRITES THAT MOVED!
Would you believe they had those in 2000 in Pokemon Crystal, and then **removed them for 11 years**? GameFreak is consistent at only one thing: Being horrible at developing video games and somehow making a deal with the devil to let them be successful despite not putting in any effort.
My first pokemon game was white, and then black 2. When I first saw the 3d models in xy as a child I was so hyped, but after finishing the games I felt like something was missing. Even my 9 year old mind could tell how lacking the animations were in comparison
They should've stuck to static sprites if they can't bother to properly animate. The whole point of using 3D models is so you can easily animate them without redrawing each frame separately, as is done with sprites.
@@seba2366 Shh, don't bring up the generation GameFreak desperately wants us to forget. A generation with full custom animations for every pokemon in existence and the most compelling story in a mainline game, with the most believable initial rivals (Cheren, the hardcore gamer, vs Bianca, the non-PVP Pokemon player) and the most compelling True Rival in the form of N, who still has yet to be topped in any main pokemon game. GameFreak might not have any excuses for the shit quality they're putting out now if we point out their massive hypocrisy in claiming that they don't have the time to animate 3d models when they did an entire generation of hand-drawn fully animated sprites, drawn frame by frame.
@@slavkei You are forgetting Big small details sutch as Rustling Pokemon (which did a return in ORAS) Glorius Last pokemon Music which got underused Rotatory battles and reverse battles Special Wild battle themes which is the last generation to use it And the most important S E A S O N S
slavkei as a 2D pixel animator.... It’s not that simple. The 2D animations in BW are not animated frame by frame, they are a different technique altogether, it’s similar to what Vanillaware does. The Pokémon parts are chopped, and rotated and moved around to simulate motion, but the frames themselves are not redrawn. Animating a 3D model needs it to be modeled, rigged, weight painted, textured... animating it is a tiny part of the whole process, which ends up being much more work than what they had in BW. I’ve been dissatisfied with GF’s mediocrity as much as everyone else, but arguing with misconceptions can’t generate good argument, so I had to clarify this.
"As long as the game is fun, animations don't matter" So you'd still love mario if he didn't have a jumping animation and constantly stood still even while moving? The breathtaking experience of swinging through the city as Spider-Man would be exactly the same if Spider-Man made no dynamic poses while in the air? Nothing would detract from your experience of mario kart, even if the characters had no unique animations, just sat lifelessly in their carts and just kept looking straight ahead at all times?
The ironic part is animations can make a game fun. One of my favorite games Enter the Gungeon is a good example. Enemies move in different ways that make sense with their personalities
@@granthamlin8126 kakasjJJakszpPFFFT lmao that was because it was literally a glitch- glitches are interesting, when there's a glitch you expose it!! plus it's the ONLY well known glitchmon that's a fuckin glitchy block L
I didn’t even know the other half of Starmie could spin like that, I was so used to the whole Pokémon spinning together in the show or not spinning at all.
It isn't like their best game is the highest-grossing media franchise with a massive fanbase who have stuck around for years and want some more effort in the games they will buy or anything
@@useraccount6157 Faded colours were an XY problem tho? They've brightened Pokemon in SunMoon/Let's Go/SwSh(i think). But i see where you're coming from, i've always hated the washed out colours of the 3DS models. Hell, im not even a fan of the revamped cries they gave to old Pokemon, gimme those pixelated cries over muffled noises that sound the same aw yeah
imagine crying over a game, just don't play it you don't like it. Im going to play it and explore the region, meet new characters and catch all the new pokemon while you sit home watching someone else play it
Fire Emblem comes to console: Intelligent systems ups the graphics, quality, game length, more tiers of classes, more maps, just about more everything, in their first console game in over a decade. Pokemon comes to console: Gamefreak cuts half the pokemon, doesn't upgrade animations, still 8 gyms, trees look like N64, 'bAlAnCeS gAmE'.
Fire Emblem actually asked for help from the developers of Dynasty Warriors to make 3H. Game Freak should think about doing the same. I've seen people suggest Monolith Soft.
@@Rot8erConeX Monolith Soft probably has their hands full. Working on a new IP yet to be fully unveiled, helping with the next Zelda, probably cooking up another Xeno title. But even if they weren't busy I doubt Gamefreak would use Helping Hand.
It’s apathy, dude. GameFreak is feeling less essential, so they’re focusing on other games. Ironically, I think they’re gonna screw themselves outta their cash cow.
One can only hope that Gen 9 will be made by another studio entirely. Game Freaks glory days have been over ever since they first tapped into the 3D world.
Gamefreak's "Town" has a lot more soul than Pokémon SnS. I can blame them for skimping on Pokémon, but I'm still going to support wherever they go next. :)
What if the idle animations were determined by personality? That would bring in player immersion and optional complexity to the games. Edit: nature not personality
In offline play this would be amazing, but for competitive it wouldn't work. The animations would give away the nature and potentially what build that pokemon is using to the opponent.
As a huge fan of pokemon, this makes me really sad. And as someone in college for game design, this is fascinating. There are literally classes I've had that talk about the thing you bring up in animation. Thank you for making me realize how low quality these animations are
Ok I know this is suuuuper late but im going into college for 3d animation and game design as well and its honestly baffling how I never realized just how bad and lifeless these animations are even compared to stuff I've done, with only a year or two of experience
@@WhereWhatWhenWhy i had prior experience but, if animation is your dream most places have animation 101s which is like your basic animation class for total beginners
I'm gonna be honest and say Gen 5 (BW*2) felt like the last time Gamefreak was giving it their all. Gen VI (XY) and beyond has felt pretty soulless like they are only putting the games out just to meet some class deadline. There's some effort there but its minimal and in some cases very out of touch like a grandpa trying to use a computer.
If they're not going to customize animations for each Pokemon and make everything pop, I'd rather them just stick with 2D sprites. I don't think there's a single 3D model that actually looks good in the face of all the 2D sprites that came before it, and they're doing nothing to improve the animations for them.
Gen 5 sold pretty horribly unfortunately. So thus, gamefreak decides that gen 5s good points must be bad points. Largest regional dex solely featuring new pokemon and zero old ones? Lets make only tiny dexes from now on, game didnt sell well. Difficulty options? Handholding being there but not insufferable? Nope no more of that either. An actual POST GAME? Cant have that. Games didnt sell well. Must remove.
I agree that the BW animations are stellar (they looked so good, and sprite art isn't easy by any means), but those amazing PDR and XD animations must have had a ton of time in them as well, but I see your point.
@@KaruCorp- Ooh yeah, the first First Pokémon game where even random trainers are animated And even those you rarely meet like the one at the Pokémon Movie maker have unique animation
Man, I really hate it when my games look good! I sure wish they just replaced all Pokémon with pieces of cardboard that have their names lazily scribbled across them in black Sharpie. Oh, and can we PLEASE take a few polygons away from the trees? In fact, just make it a 2D object that rotates in perspective to the player? Or maybe they just shouldn't move at all, ThAt'S tOo MuCh WoRk.
Let's remove all customization for the character to! Including the female character ADDED IN GOLD AND SILVER. Wait no, let's just make them small pixels! Let's make Zacian and Zamazenta small pixels too!. It's too much work to make the models, right?
People: Animations are not so important GF: If animations are not important,then every pokemon will use the T-Pose. People: aaaaah yes,this is Quality!
Which adds a layer of meta humor considering how Pokemon as a franchise aims to dominate our lives, so having every Pokemon model and NPC model giving the player (whose model would actually be normal) constant T-posing will drive the point home. /s
If animations didn't matter, then let's just have the 3D models just T-Pose. Let's just do that then. Breathing life into the pokemon in the 3D games adds an extra layer of excitement and fascination, and also adds to the overall experience of the game. A game can have a good and fun concept, but if it doesn't animate well or at all, it's gonna be seen as boring and not worth the time. And honestly, maybe Gamefreak should have gotten Genius Sonority to help work on Sword/Shield.~
Well since battle animations are not necessary in a rpg which main feature is battle, I'm guessing FF fans won't mind if the FF7 remake has all characters in T pose with simple text for battle animations.
@@gamerprince-tl5hg Even now the animations hold up - they look badass and you can tell all the love and care that went into them. When done right, good animation is timeless; just look at Disney.
Don't forget Sun/Moon have walking animations for every single Pokémon in their game files and the sprites are fully 3D. All they had to do was recycle them and transfer them over... you know, like they've been doing with every single move since 2013!
"The battle animations are literally the least important part." Okay so we can go back to G1 where the pokemon stand perfectly still and you see a handful of particle effects when they attack
@@uppindown8466 That's the point that Tanya Cockle is making. G1 didn't have those moments where the Pokémon moved. They stayed perfectly still the entire time.
@@uppindown8466 The diference is Gen 1 was on a Gameboy cartridge and all the gameboy limitations. And even then they improved what they could in Gen 2
To be honest, At first I never gave it much thought about animations. But now I can see what you mean. If the Pokémon aren't able to show off their personality threw their movement, Apart from optional mechanics, are they even alive in the game?
I'll be honest, I would at least like to see every Pokemon share generic animations, and *actually physically move* instead of having their model hop up for a second like someone activated a levitation cheat code and tapped a button I personally would probably turn them off after a few hours of playing to speed things up a tiny bit, but I still want the option to have them at all
Eh, I really didn't mind the "personalities" of Pokemon since the anime makes up for that (but then again, I stopped watching the Pokemon anime since SuMo first came out. I hated the animation in that anine as Ash looks so much younger than he does in XYZ anime and fucking Lillie sounds like Minnie mouse and it hurt my ears. And the anime doesn't really follow the actual game). But after seeing this video, I can see what people mean about the animations.
Don’t forget masuda saying that they’re not having all the pokemon in the game for the sake of “better graphics and animations that give the pokemon PERSONALITY”
Something I only just noticed now because of this video... Pokemon in the animations made in gen 6 and onwards... They don't blink. I don't think there needs to be an explanation as to why that's an issue.
I know this is a year old but I couldn’t agree more with what he said. Not just in Pokémon games but in all mediums. Wether in a film, game, show etc the animation of something is really important. The way I would describe it is like reading a book out loud. You could just say it in monotone, you could just say it quietly or you could just shout it. But we don’t because we all recognise that how the story/book is read is just as important as what is being read. Jut like how animations are just as important as what the games/films/shows story is.
And the saddest thing is what a immense waste of it's potential it is, Pokemon is one of the most successful franchises ever and let's face it has the resources to make good animation games and story it's company isn't just a small studio anymore trying to manage by financially so they can perfectly do they just have to drop less games( and in bigger time periods what's the use of rushing games the only real success of sword and shield -keeping in mind it's actual potential- was it's financial one- and no I literally haven't even played it but a game with that little time needed for completion is not cutting it for me to consider buying it sadly for anything else it has to offer, no matter whether a ton of it's other options are nice and new and yes- actually exiting you can't completely favor that over story and post story or you know ACTUAL LENGTH OF THE GAME NEEDED TO MAKE IT a *JOURNEY* WHICH IS THE LITERAL WHOLE POINT OF IT otherwise IT *IS* POINTLESS UGH- ;-;) and make the fewer games they are then responsible for better, even with just that, good care put into the animation(Because if you are gonna cut the Pokédex to make the animations more lively please actually make sure that's a thing ;-;) I think that alone could have given it all so much more soul, that and a good use of charismatic characters so that even if there is less actual planned game and story there's actual things to discover and there are reasons for you to wanna do so and revisit it. I don't know. I just want a break from feeling like the one thing I loved about my childhood isn't there anymore- because it got lost somewhere along the way. Yeah the new Pokémon are good and the designs for the characters aren't necessarily bad either and I don't doubt the potential I bet the designers put a lot of effort into the creation of them at the very least but the spirit of Pokémon got lost somewhere along the way of translating Pokémon into modern time consoles and 3d animation so no matter how exciting the new options are without the genuine feel of love and care for the story, characters, charm, challenge, places and excitement and strive for adventure that keeps you hooked the sad thing is that I end up leaving the newly bought game on the side to collect dust, and for an outcome like that I'd rather leave it be. Yes it's a kid's game and I am now adult. But this "old games" that I played as a kid still bring me joy to this day. It's literal charm is how ageless it is and stays inside your head years and years after as at least a memory of how it made you *feel*.The Pokémon movies whole charm is how despite them being kids movies I can still still watch them now and cry not only simply because of nostalgia but because I now understand the whole message behind them in a way I would've never been able to as a child and I love it, and because I can still discover and rediscover new things to it no matter how much time passes because it *was* genuine. That is what I want in a pokemon game. That was what they were able to do and that was what made it what it was to me, it's about how a world so alive and a journey that's so your own made you feel- and without that it's not really pokemon to me. And seeing something you love so much slowly go down- I'm not surprised so many are in denial.
@@Art-enjoyer_Fern what do you mean by "actually exiting" eh...I feel like the spirit wasn't like lost in the 3ds game really but the switch? something seems...different now. I really wouldn't say it was going downhill with the 3ds games really
@@Jdudec367 I do find being able to interact with the Pokémon more and seeing them interact with their environment in their different sizes and some other options the game does introduce in a different way to the mainline exiting , I don't think it has nothing to offer. And no I don't think 3d is the problem either sorry if that's how it came across the problem to me was how they went from having less in pixel but doing a ton with it and properly finding a good balance and going all out with it inside those restrictions to having technically more through 3d animation and the possibilities that the switch now offers and doing so much less with it. Before things were simple but on point- now that the medium was changed they are complicated but lack finishing and the time to flourish. That itself is a shame too for what the game in high-quality 3-d could have been. That's what's so frustrating about it the idea itself is not bad but the execution lacks- specially in what is the most important about it the literal pokemon in their battles which is what the entire series has to rely on to work.
Yeah, I’m glad they’re giving the spotlight to forgotten Pokémon such as Charizard, Tyranitar, Steelix, Arcanine, Lucario, etc. Really glad that the memorable Pokémon like Farfetch'd are being removed.
"I don't care as long as it's good, you are just a bunch of entitled children. Better yet, I just want a bunch of boxes without textures or animations" I imagine this is something a fanboy would spout just to prove a point.
@@monkey_blu why do you call me entitled, animation in a videogame is one of the most important things in videogames, since it gives life to every character an thing. Also the joke is that it's 3D, the basic pose for a 3D model is the T-Pose, the fact that it became a meme is none of my buissness, bud.
I believe in the games there is also no shading, however they have black lines around them to make sure mono coloured Pokemon Don't blend in to themselves. An example from this video is keckleon
Persona 5 gave me first hand experience what quality truly feels like. You are right, I've been fed mediocrity for so long I didn't realise how a good monster catching game could be.
@James' Wallet What the first guy said was not an opinion or fact it was a statement. We cant confirm if its true or false. He may or may not have payed games with trash animation. The only opinion was him implying that persona is good.
Idle animations are a corner-store of gameplay, as someone who plays a lot of fighting games (yes including pokken) idle animation is something you absolutely need to get right in order to communicate at a glance what kind of opponent you are up against. Are they jumpy and limber? Focused and collected? Zone you out with special moves? Clunky and defensive? When everyone's animation looks the same how are you supposed to figure out their style of combat?
Prime example: Delphox. Delphox has a good speed stat, but looking at how it stands in its idle animation I'd think it was a more on the defensive side and extremely slow.
@@justice8718 so you think characterization of idle animations isn't important for rpgs full of almost a thousand characters and you need to help new players understand each and everyone of them?
I mean, you get those people who just look at a pokemon and just asks for their typing and competitive use and don't care about how it looks like or act or whatever. They are just a lump of stats to them
Pokémon Stadium was also dope for this very reason. I remember the entrance animation of Nidoking doing like a war cry. Snorlax flipping over after getting brutally hit by an attack. Blastoise actually using his cannons... 😪
I loved how many Pokemon had fainting animations that made it seem like they were making an effort not to collapse or to get back up. Mewtwo for instance.
Also love how in Pokémon stadiums they do the kicking animations. Have you seen kabutops kicking animation? It is awesome. Same with the fighting Pokémon.
You should be hired for game freak's Pokémon Stadium 3 announcer. Your only sentence would be "It just stands there!" everytime a Pokémon plays an attack animation.
@@guaitxican So there are actually 3 stadium games. The first stadium game didn't have every pokemon and exclusive to japan. The next 2 were the games that came to the west
The saddest part is that the game is almost 100% finished and they are not getting anything changed. They are just waiting for the holidays to realease it.
Defender: Oh my god! It's only five months. They can polish the game in that amount of time, stop being negative! Look at Mario Odyssey, it got a massive upgrade between the first trailer and the end product within six months. Me: You... do realize they'll mostly be working on localization at this stage. And although the thing about Odyssey is true it still looked pretty good in its release while Pokemon SwSh looks almost like a beta. Defender: .... Defender: It's not that simple! You're not an expert in game design, so what do you know about development-- Me: DO YOU?!
It bothers me that the Pokémon Amie, and other games like that have animations that you can not see in the Dex... And most of the time, they’re really good! The only one I really know is one for Glaceon. It legit does a backflip on the spot. What!?
LoLoLaaarry124 that shows their backwards priorities: “lets give all the more interesting animations to that one mode some people may or may not care about, AND let’s cut corners in the battle mode people will be playing and seeing ALL THE TIME regardless if they’re playing the story, competitive, collecting, nuzlocking, casually, etc.”
I don't understand why people are saying "Lol animation isn't important" when that's literally one of the reasons Gamefreak has stated why all the Pokemon won't be in Gen8 since they are, AND I QUOTE, "We're creating it with much higher fidelity with higher quality animations" which is a bullshit lie since everything we've seen is just reused from Gen6/7 with slight touch ups.
@@thejuic3b0i64 They are literally using the 3DS assets and animations, it's a billion dollar company using hardware stronger than the 3DS and Wii. I fail to understand how they can't. The Animations for expressiveness already exist if they really wanted that.
They've become as bad as most AAA studios nowadays when it comes to content for a 60 dollar game, should've stuck to making handheld games because that's obviously their expertise
"b-b-b-b-but theres over 800 pokemon" well now there isn't. if they remove the national dex, they should make up for it by making the pokemon we do have more animated
@Ignatius David Partogi But then there's news that Game Freak halved their resources to work on another new game which they called their top priority... so now we know where all the resources went.
493 Pokemon are already animated really well in PBR and they could have just re-used those. Sure they'd be using animations from a 10+ year old game but they're a hell of a lot better than what we have now.
@@xrklamyte9839 That pisses me off even more because why would they make such a stupid decision and then lie and make shitty excuses to the fans when it went to shit
creatures inc probably makes the good idle animation and gamefreak removes them because their game literally can't handle them because they are so bad at optimizing the game.
"as long as it's a good game" "If it's a good game" Are these idiots not realizing that the animations being completely absent are part of the reason WHY the game isn't good?
There are other still important factors to account for, and animations are merely a very, very essential part of one of those things: the presentation. The other factors, ordered by importance in an actual RPG, are as follows. Story: Story is essentially the most important thing in an RPG. The one thing RPGs are designed for is to tell a lengthy, well-written story in the form of an interactive experience, and the one thing neither critics, defenders, or apologists will ever know until release is the story. Why? Because all of these people will only get hints of what's coming up, which is, like... what? Just the hints and none of the fancy, detailed stuff everyone will be seeing once they dive in? Yeah, that's it. And because I can't comment on the story, I have no opinion on it whatsoever. Presentation (ties with story as #1): Animations definitely fit in here, but there are other things that are important to this aspect, most importantly a working User Interface. It's essentially what you'll have to look at alongside the animations, and the one thing you must not do is make the interface clunky. What's Sword and Shields UI going to be? Obviously a simple, easy-to-use one that'll allow players to easily decide what to do in battle. That's automatically a good thing about Sword and Shield. The lack of pokemon animations, on the other hand, is automatically a bad thing. Of course it went without saying that the animation quality went towards all the trainers (Bea, anyone?). Presentation be neutral. Game Balance: Literally the deciding factor as to what makes a turn-based RPG a game is the balance. Pretty much everything about this is all about numbers and what strategies that need to be taken in order to work your way around those numbers (ex. status effects, buffs, debuffs, weaknesses and resistances). So far, it seems like Sword/Shield is amping up the difficulty a little while making sure the difficulty is still steady. Yes, difficulty is actually important. I'll definitely dock it down if Dynamax is indeed forced onto both sides of the battlefield like it's currently made out to be (because honestly, those just throw in another buff race). Overworld: Yes, the overworld, because this is where stuff like puzzles and quests will be put in. Puzzles and quests, as in game mechanics. We've yet to see any of the games' puzzles and quests yet despite the overworld featuring god-knows-how-many roaming mons, though I don't see it stacking up to Sun/Moon's overworld with its trials essentially consisting of quests and a boss battle (good god, that Wishiwashi battle) in each. Controls: If this were a 2D RPG, probably the least important thing is the controls since all you really need to do is make sure a character stops at the right tile or the character can go through what clearly looks like a spot they're meant to go through. If this were a 3D RPG, well, it's the same thing but you have to work with analog control, which takes plenty of more work to handle than simple D-pad movement, not to mention 3D models require a much different set of hitboxes to prevent players from falling into the void from a wrong step into them. Taking all these into account, I'd say they won't be as good as the defenders are making it out nor as bad as the critics are making it out. They'd just be "okay" at best and "meh" at worst.
@@Flashlight237 Oh, so you're just going to ignore the pokemon popping into existence and the inexcusably poor textures and graphical bugs in the presentation side? Alright.
And the sad part is some pokemon have great idles but so many are so bad, incineroars idle is great, he is smug and waving the opponent towards him and roars every so often. And then pokemon like starmie just stand there
Vibrava, Masquerain, Yanma and Yanmega are all great too. Honourable mention to normal form Necrozma, who is supposed to be a bit dead and looks like it's in pain sometimes.
Proof too that the PBR animations are way better than SnS is that the Kanto pokemon have been using the same animations since Stadium, the Johto have been using the same animations since Stadium 2, and the Hoenn pokemon have been using the same animations since Coliseum! Despite their age, they still are leagues better than anything we've seen since X/Y and even come from far inferior systems when compared to the Switch.
I think people think that the models are 'better' because of the HD on the switch compared to the bad quality on the 3ds. But don't be fooled, its the same animation.
Long story short, Gamefreak are a joke and don’t deserve Pokemon anymore, pass it to a company that can do better, Gamefreak have admitted themselves that they don’t care.
just give it to genius senority and put a battle "animation pace" setting in the game's options so they can chose "full (PBR animations)", "brief (full animations but skips to the point)", and "OFF ( literally just T pose the mons and battles feel like a text based RPG)"
Yeah, if Atlus wasnt owned by Sega then Pokemon should be handed to them. They make high quality animations, and dont sacrifice game features (unlike game freak with the national dex)
Yeah I mean it’s not like Pokémon games have anything of substance like a story, or an animated gloriously rendered region( besides one bad area shown off at e3 that is likely being improved upon as we speak) or even a postgame that could literally be anything from revisiting the goddam sinnoh region, to another looker sidequest. Do the fans know? No, do the fans care? No. Why? *ma preshez lv. 100 shiny Breloom that I ported from ruby and sapphire can’t be in the game, and gf isn’t giving every Pokémon in the game their own unique animations for every move they can learn to compensate for ma lost Breloom!* the irony of which being that no one knows how many or even which Pokémon are for sure not making the cut!. I’d laugh my ass of if it was only like 60 Pokémon total who were cut. Meaning that likely the vast majority of Pokémon fans are complaining for no reason.
@@henryknippling2408 So you're saying that its okay to remove pokemon and gamefreak saying that they will improve the graphics but they don't and the old animations being reused? You must be in love with double kick's and tail whip's animation
Henry Knippling Pokemon games are not known for their stories. Every game has the same story: child gets Pokemon, bumps into gang, gang wants to capture a legendary Pokemon to rule the world, child beats them. Also "gloriously rendered"? They're just low poly motionless fbxs with standered lighting. Any bloke with unity could make a better looking game. Re-using older assets while not bringing back all of the Pokemon is quite lazy. If you think it's okay to play low effort games made by people from a multi-million dollar company who'd rather be doing something else, then I'm sorry for you.
Vincent Goessens a. It’s been proven by ruffledrowletthat gf has been improving the graphics since the e3 presentation. So they are improving it. B. I’m saying it’s okay for gf to make the game how they think it should be made.
But alot of the comments he points out are attacking these people who don't care not because it isn't important. But because they don't mind not having it. Like walking with pokemon. Is it really going to harm your enjoyment of this game even if it's not there. It hasn't returned in 3 generations.
Pointing out the ignorance and bad taste of Game Freak apologists without caring about public image is honestly the most daring thing I've seen out of a RUclipsr the past decade.
@@nateoscar2950 I understand your views and agree that just because animations do not interest you do not make you any less of a person and in some regards any less of a fan. However the point is more gf is being lazy or just incompetent about their game design. Again if this doesn't bother you that's fine but, IDK why people would go out of their way to try and stop these animations being added, being afraid of a higher quality game is baffling. However if you where offended by my post I genuinely apologise. I just simply want this game to be the best it can be, I want Masada to fix this game and redeem himself far more than I want him fired. Etc
Mega evos could've been perfected but everyone loved them, they just needed balancing and flygon needed one. Z moves added variety and were pretty cool. Dynamaxing is straight up garbage
It just surprising how the fact that we'll get an unjustified incomplete dex made us truly realize how game freak has become a lazy developer. We have scrutinize the games looking for proof of this.
Fun Fact: PBR, XD Colosseum, and Stadium 2 use the animations from the previous games, meaning gen 1 Pokemon have had the *same* animations since Stadium 1 on the N64, and you know what? They *still* look better than anything X&Y/USM have given us. Genius Sonority, who developed Colosseum-PBR used these animations because they're smart, instead of *making entirely new animations for Pokemon you wont even see in the story, just use the old ones from previous games.* And guess what? It worked. They work smarter, not harder, and seeing as they have 22 employees according to Wikipedia (actual citation needed, please) its very beneficial they they do in fact work smarter, and not harder. In case you're wondering, Game Freak has 143 employees as of 2018 and still cant do something a 22 employee company could do from 2003-2016.
Pokemon XD is one of my favourite pokemon game ever. And as old as it is it still has better animations than the new pokemon games. Sad reality we live on
But is he wrong? He's shown that Game Freak has the animations and has shown that they can make more quality animation, but chooses not to while cutting pokemon in order to "improve" the animations when they're clearly the same as before.
@@JessCArtist What's the most infuriating thing is that it isn't something they could do, it's something they DID do and yet decided to cut because reasons. This entire thing has made me glad I'm poorer then most so I wouldn't try and buy it before all this came down. It really is an eye opener
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What was your favorite idle animation featured in this video?
Starmie. It's shocking how terrible the X/Y ----> Sword/Shield animations are in comparison to ones that are over 10 years old.
kecleon by far! He's very expressive, although Starmie's is super cool too. Also, have a look at Honchcrow's idle in PBD. It's amazing and it makes me love the pokemon so much more
Hariyama. Hands down. Not just to comply with the rule of three. But also because it's just so fluid. Also because I remember how good the attack animations for Hariyama are as well, with the sumo push type animation.
Hariyama, cuz thicc
Starmie
If someone’s not gonna care about the animations claiming “they don’t matter”, you might as well just play the card game
Except the card game has ilustrations with more life than Gamefreak's animations
@@GoldrigoGenial Does that mean gen 2 is more expressive than gen 6?
@@nikminnet2768 After looking at Crystal's animated sprites, absolutely yes.
@@nikminnet2768 Yes, absolutely 👍
Better yet
Draw the illustrations
"Visuals really aren't important, I wish they just replaced all the models with plain binary code instead."
XD Some people be like that
It's all about the G A M E P L A Y
I agree with the fact that its mostly about the gamplay and story. But when they take away gameplay for "mostly" static animations their Is a problem
better yet, just swap the models around. "Go, Ampharos!"
*Medicham pops out*
Better yet just have all Pikachu binary code with the states of all the separate Pokemon t posing
maybe the lack of animation is showing how the pokemons truly feel. just dead inside
they literally all look like theyre calling for help deep down inside
don't worry there just trying to appeal to the teenage demographic by making the pkmn more edgy
JoltZ 9 lol true
I mean, being shoved into the same game every couple of years will do that to you
@@ms_rifle_spiral shoved in by careless devs
Let's just take a moment of silence for Typhlosion's 3D model.
Edit : The Gods have heard our call.
it doesn't even have the fire
@@polishedrelish yeah alot of pokemon 3ds modles are lifeless
R i p.
I miss the fire so much, favorite part of the cyndaquil line was their crowning flames.
@@polishedrelish say sike
I never noticed this before but... Kecleon... is actually really cute. Seeing it animated like this makes me forget that it is not an actual animal. It looks so alive. Gamefreak, what the hell are you doing?
The same reason to every decision they make.
More money.
You're really dumb arnt ya?
Assationater think they’re just right
@@SkywardDestiny They think that the idle animations are just pokemon standing there, they're dumbasses
@@Hetsu.. im pretty sure,no, i know you're the dumb one here
Don’t forget what GameFreak did to typhlosion in gen 6. They got rid of the fire around his neck, only for it to appear when he’s in an attacking animation.
I dislike that too, but to be fair Colosseum/XD/PBR also had his fire only come out when he attacks. He looked just as odd and naked with no fire when idle there, too.
But the fire IS supposed to appear only when attacking. Gens 2-5 kinda messed that up.
No I'm not a shill, I'm just saying that this one was done right.
he looks awful without his fire, but honestly that's the way it's supposed to be lol. we're just too used to the old sprites that had to have it all the time
That fire always made me excited, showing that it's a challenging opponent, but when it's all out, it looks calm but has it's guard up...😐 sorry everytime I play pokemon it's as if I'm watching an anime and not just playing it, my imagination goes wild
Chizom Wali Exactly.
I love the "There's over 800 Pokemon!" excuse. Yeah, that'd be a proper excuse... If they actually kept all the Pokemon in Sword and Shield.
Exactly. The reason people are even criticising the animation so harshly in the first place is *because* the roster was cut down. Not everyone liked it before (I thought it was pretty lifeless, and all the flying mons from gen 6 and below literally hovered in place bc of sky battles back in XY), but I don't think this many people would be complaining if the animations weren't used as an excuse for cut content.
@@zoruasnivy AND it´s on the switch which allowed much more animations that are better and we probably didn´t care about animation on the 3ds because the 3ds didn´t have much power
@@zoruasnivy exactly game freaks reasoning for cutting pokemon is they have higher quality animations, yet these are the same animations for every pokemon game that has come out on the 3ds. If they released all pokemon fine i guess m, if they are cutting pokemon then where the heck are these animations they spoke of
And even then, it is a pretty weak excuse. There are other RPG's and games in general with way more enemies or NPC's in general made by companies as big as Gamefreak and they are caring about getting their animations for every NPC right and making them look good.
@@zoruasnivy If this game was drop dead gorgeous like the Let's Go crap, barely anyone would be complaining and I personally probably would be getting back into Pokemon.
Game Freak's Kecleon looks like it's lost the will to live.
at least the still images had _hints_ at dynamic movement.
its dead inside
Just like their employees
@@isaiahthomas9817 I was going to say "just like their fans" but that's also accurate
It's funny because the idle animations of the pokemon in Smash Bros Ultimate are more accurate representations of the characters than the animations in their own games.
Yeah, I didn't care about Incineroar before Smash, but now, I love him, he has such hilarious and expressive animations.
@@rhadamanthys649 He's such a bro! Easily one of the most expressive characters in Smash. It makes him way more fun to play.
most of Smash Ultimate's character animations are better than their original counterpart, because Sakurai puts so much time into making sure they're the highest quality. Just look at Yoshi's fluid animations in Ultimate, and then go look at the animations in Yoshi's Crafted World.
Smash is a better Pokémon game than Pokémon itself.
I am going to buy a Switch if Game Freak names their next Stadium/Battle Revolution spin-off as "Pokémon SMASH". With high quality animations of course like Smash.
>animations aren't important
yeah, I've always wanted to play a game that has characters t-posing, sliding everywhere and showing no emotion, sounds like it would be a great game.
Hey man T-Pose is a god move :^)
SirZephy is it weird that I find that like an interesting game? 😂
You say that as if people nowadays wouldn't buy it, lol. I wouldn't, but still.
That must be funny actually
Yeah me too, that is why I loved ME:A
Can't really understand why people don't care about animations. As consumers it's our jobs to ask for the best product they can make. Animations are literally what we spend all of our time staring at while playing pokemon , heck, video games in general! We want an attractive game that brings life to the characters
Because there are two types of consumers, those that think and know what they want from their product and those that just consume popular trending products and media without question. Unfortunately the latter is gonna make sure this game sales well because, you know, its Pokemon.
"The animations are not important"
as someone who grew up playing different pokemon games, one of my favourite to this day is Pokemon Colosseum BECAUSE of how fluid and expressive the animations are. You feel like you are in the game. When your pokemon faints you feel a bit of sadness, because of how the pokemon goes down. Yknow, as if you were actually in the pokemon universe. I always loved watching the cool moves they used.
Umbreon when using headbutt(I think? Its been a while) doesnt actually run up to the opponent, but rather it takes a step back and dashes forward. Honestly, if they did something like this in the newer games, I would be fine. Yeah contact is nice but you get the idea based on how the pokemon moves.
I want to be immersed in the game. When the pokemon stay idle but the model rotates or moved up and down slightly it just... takes you out of the moment. I am actually really disappointed, I honestly thought we were going to get a BOTW like game, and my god was I excited to actually feel like I'm in the game. Ugh.
Imho
Don't forget that in the Genius Sonority games, the trainers were much more expressive as well. In XD, they actually reacted when their pokemon took damage. The win/loss animations were full of personality as well, which just makes Game Freak look even worse by comparison.
I wouldnt go that far, but they really are great animations.
Koko I don’t really like the main characters in Pokémon colosseum, because i very edgy, the main characters and other npc design are very important for me, the Pokémon too but I don’t really look at them while playing until they make a move, but overall, Game freak should add animation in Pokémon so it doesn’t look boring
You're forgetting the best part: Scizor's animations.
It's weird to pluck out a specific pokemon's animations, because Scizor isn't even my favorite pokemon (Luxray 100%), but just the way Scizor moves. Most importantly, its hurt animation. It doesn't just flinch weakly from a blow, it skids all the way back across the ground before recomposing itself and flying back. It made it feel like he was...I dunno...a real animal? And not just a plastic figure standing still and giving the opponent the death stare? Little details matter, but Gamefreak missed even the big details.
I remember being in a battle with my cousin, getting sad then taking revenge for fainting my ninetales, and him pushing back because I fainted his partner. I think it was in a game where you can upload your soul silver pokemon to the Wii game
“Animations aren’t important.”
Okay, just make a game where everyone T-poses. Oh wait, GameFreak are doing that with Wingull.
Whats wrong with t-posing?
@@up4684 Who needs animation when everything is just in a fixed pose?
Wingull soars around without flapping because that's what wingull is but this I think shouldn't really be an excuse
@@karkest yeah because he occasionally flaps in other games
Frenchiest Fry Yeah they flap sometimes in ORAS
I hate how people are just ok with the fact that this game looks exactly the same as a game from 2013, down to the models, animations, and effects.
It’s 6 years later people, we should expect better.
If they are reusing the same models from 2013 then put all of models in Sword and Shield then instead of cutting the codes.
Its even worse when you stop to think that it was released for the 3DS... And now we're getting a Pokémon game, 6 years later, on a home console! We should definitely expect things with waaaaay more quality.
It realluy doesn't matter what the game looks like 6 year later. You're just going to buy the game and enjoy it. You're not going to NOT buy the game because the animations are reused. Are you also not going to buy BOTW sequel because they confirmed that they are using the same engine and same map fro the first BOTW?
Its 6 years later people, we should expect better.
Fifa fans:
What's the meaning of better?
Thomas F Except of course that BOTW2 is a direct sequal, on an engine that looked better to start with.
Plus, BOTW wasn’t a damned 3DS game dude.
People say only 150 people work at Game freak and that is supposedly an excuse for them to get lazy and not pay attention to animations, but a quick research will show that Genius Sonority who worked on PBR only have 21 employees!!!!
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU MANAGE TO DO LESS THAN A COMPANY WITH 20 EMPLOYES WHEN YOU HAVE MORE RECOGNITITION, MONEY AND 150 EMPLOYES.
Hold it!
While I disagree with Game Freak's stupid decisions, PBR didn't have a story whatsoever so they could focus on animations and graphics.
Andres E. Gomez M. Watch the video with your eyes this time and listen with your ears don’t settle for less fight for more
@@Aego384 What Suety B said and also that different teams will work on the story than the graphics so its not like having more of a story will make the whole team need to focus less on different aspects of the game like graphics quality
@@vassel6643 Because you make money anyways
For the people that still defend GF's Pokemon Idle animation: Consider this, Pokemon is a combination between a Virtual pet game, and a RPG. And do you know what is the point of a virtual pet game? To simulate the feeling of having an actual pet. And Do you know that in order to qualify as a pet, it have to be alive and not look like a lifeless puppet?
*banette intensifies*
Excellent point 👍
"They cut Pokemon to make high quality Animations!"
But the animations are still recycled/mediocre.
"Animations don't matter at all!"
It's like trying to argue with an abusive boyfriend. Been there, done that, got a broken hand for my trouble... Really not thrilled with GameFreak and have no desire to buy firsthand while they are pulling this gaslighting bullshit. Thank goodness for the robust Used market that lets me play games without supporting the scummy companies that ruin them.
@@slavkei not to be rude but why the boyfriend part?
@@kaydenmorris3407 i mean shes not wrong is she? its literally them using their status as a company to mass gaslight and skim production time, maybe if they were not focussing on lets go we would of got, you know, real games, instead of garbage
FraN_ There is no intelligent way to defend what gamefreak is doing. Now you tubers like Verilisy can only say “This is Pokémon we don’t need those kinds of animations” we don’t need it? Lol this is a dang GAME it’s absolutely necessary
FraN_ “We have cut some pokemon to improve animations.”
*Yamper just fucking turns around and wiggles to use tail whip*
Honestly, you can see how much Genius cared very easily. They cared enough to make the pokemon BLINK.
@GameBoy Cooler *Gamefreak lizard employees stare vacantly without blinking* What do you mean animations? !
I hate when people say " I don't care about animations/visuals, all I care about is gameplay". As if animations/visuals aren't huge contributing factors to gameplay and game feel.
- Briver - The animations definitely affect game feel. Gameplay though, that’s debatable. DistantKingdom would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the (lack of) animations and the terrible visuals in general would have a detrimental effect on the game MECHANICALLY.
@@GaahrmTheGraet it would't unless this was somehow a smash like game and you needed animations and hit boxes for the models. So yeah the animations don't affect the game mechanically. It sure as heck does affect the game feels.
Gameplay itself is not good anymore look animation is part of gameplay in an rpg
@@GaahrmTheGraet But Pokémon isn't really that great of an RPG. It's accessible, sure, but the real appeal is the many Pokémon, the sense of exploration and meeting new friends. Lack of animations are a huge issue, regardless of their mechanical implications, especially when a smaller team were able to pull superior products. Even the models look better! Plus with the confirmation of the lack of a National Dex, it is the very least to demand that each Pokémon have great animations, the supposed tradeoff.
Even SNES games have better animations, for example fire emblem 4 and 5 if you turn off the animation in the map you can even see what weapon is the unit using in the map animation
"Animation isn't important"
Have fun staring at a still image for 50 hours then if that's the case.
Oh wait! Correction: Staring at a still image you paid over $50 for.
(edit: YALL KNOW I MEANT IN CURRENT TIME RIGHT? I understand that pokemon was like that back then, but we have the technology to create fully animated games. Yall missed the point)
Cant wait to spend another 30 dollars to look at three new pokemon with static animations and 20 minutes of gameplay. Sounds fun.
Ah, a time when they could actually get away with this because of technological limitations... now here we are and still nothing to show for it.
@@RexcorJ did it multiple times......(gen1-4) cough cough and no i dont count in that wiggle at the start since emerald
@@master12151 Yeah, but I was referencing gen 1 more than any of the other three. They did a lot more in 2 than I honestly expected, though, but the point being that it was a lot more excusable for the earliest iterations.
I mean I had fun staring at a still imagine playing Pokémon red
The only things I remember from this video are
1.Gamefreak is lazy
2.Hariyama is thicc
This guy gets it.
Hariyama: Colonel, I’m trying to infiltrate Team Rocket HQ, but I’m dummy thicc, and the clap of my thighs keeps alerting the grunts...
1. Ignorance
2. Poor Taste
@@M3G4T3RR4
1. Well he's not wrong
2. *Ding Dong Your Opinion Is Wrong*
Rovire Jams
I was just making a reference to the video but ok
Are we ignoring Dragon Quest IX a DS game with over 1000 enemies that all have hyper expressive animations the game came out 9 years ago on the DS
To be fair, not many people outside of Japan play Dragon Quest, but that is a fair point.
@@Magikarpador Which is why people don't realize that Pokemon is largely designed as a ripoff of Dragon Quest that became far more successful than what it was ripping off.
...lol. Pokemon is Oreos and Dragon Quest is Hydrox. I'll bet there are even people who'd play a DQ game and say "THIS FEELS KIND OF LIKE A RIPOFF OF POKEMON!" because of all of the game mechanics just outright copy-pasted from DQ.
I.... what? I've played a couple Dragon Quests and most Pokémon games and besides being rpgs they're nothing alike.
@@Magikarpador You clearly didn't play any Dragon Quest games then.
@@thattastedpurple4246 Or maybe you haven't if you honestly believe in that. Dragon Quest is not a monster raising game, I think it's a mechanic in a couple but it's certainly not the focus of the series. Earthbound is a closer ripoff of Dragon Quest than Pokémon is. Unless you're trying to claim that all rpgs are a ripoff of Dragon Quest? Cause I got some bad news for you if that's the case...
I wonder if people were still okay, if everything was T-Posing. I mean they said "animations aren't important"
i mean.. it IS to assert dominance
Wingull already does that.
Perfectly fine as all Pokemon should be
Let's be honest people would be ok with T-posing because it funny
You can literally buy a T-Posing gesture in Fornite. So, yeah... Possibly they would love it.
Pokemon Stadium: “alright guys, go on an express yourself”
Pokemon X and Y and onward: “ITS THE POLICE NOBODY MOVE!”
Lol
Yes
Also, since the game's are turn-based, there's not a whole lot of game mechanics in terms of player input, so A LOT of the game resides in the visuals of the battle. If that looks unappealing or lifeless, the gameplay experience will suffer more so than other games.
And I mean, it's fine in older games with static sprites, but as time goes on and consoles gain power, Gamefreak has less and less excuse. They already have no excuse considering their Black/White/B2/W2 games have way better animations than Gen 6 and up.
Plus, one of the main selling points of RPGs has always been their presentation.
Actually they do have an excuse why the pixel animations are better. Because it's easier to animate pixels. Trust me. These sprites allowed Game Freak to have more artistic liberty. But 3d animation had to look more natural as there is thousands of pixels. Also, even if this wasn't the case. Consider the animators. Game freak brings out a new game basically every year. Animators, writers, programmers, they all get fatigue from working on these games. There isn't much time to slowly regain your passion for something so repetitive.
Can everyone here just maybe consider game developers just a little? It hurts to see all this ignorance.
@@kakao-katze >2d sprites are easier to animate
No it fucking isn't, the whole point of 3D animation is that you don't have to draw individual frames like with 2d animation. Also, who told you 3D animation has to look more natural? You can easily be just as creative with 3D animation as with 2D. Have you never seen guilty gear xrd or Dragon Ball Fighterz's animations? Please do your reasearch before you type dumb bullshit like this.
@@kakao-katze in this video he literally showed the line meshing of the starmie. If professional people are working on this game, which I hope they are, then I hope they know how to animate using something like line meshing, which is much easier to manipulate than having to draw frames pixel by pixel. Rethink your words and do your research. Also 1000 people worked on SW/SH and it still has terrible animation.
@@kakao-katze "hurts to see all this ignorance"
fucking ironic
BW/BW2 had had great animations. I used to just stare at the animations to wait what varied moments they would make. It was the number one thing that caught my eye, POKEMON SPRITES THAT MOVED!
Yeah! gen 5 animations are so cool.
Would you believe they had those in 2000 in Pokemon Crystal, and then **removed them for 11 years**? GameFreak is consistent at only one thing: Being horrible at developing video games and somehow making a deal with the devil to let them be successful despite not putting in any effort.
@@slavkei
Tecnically, the pokemon in Crystal verison didin't move at all. They only made an small animation when getting out of the pokeball.
My first pokemon game was white, and then black 2. When I first saw the 3d models in xy as a child I was so hyped, but after finishing the games I felt like something was missing. Even my 9 year old mind could tell how lacking the animations were in comparison
YES
They should've stuck to static sprites if they can't bother to properly animate. The whole point of using 3D models is so you can easily animate them without redrawing each frame separately, as is done with sprites.
*aham* Gen 5
@@seba2366 Shh, don't bring up the generation GameFreak desperately wants us to forget. A generation with full custom animations for every pokemon in existence and the most compelling story in a mainline game, with the most believable initial rivals (Cheren, the hardcore gamer, vs Bianca, the non-PVP Pokemon player) and the most compelling True Rival in the form of N, who still has yet to be topped in any main pokemon game.
GameFreak might not have any excuses for the shit quality they're putting out now if we point out their massive hypocrisy in claiming that they don't have the time to animate 3d models when they did an entire generation of hand-drawn fully animated sprites, drawn frame by frame.
@@slavkei You are forgetting Big small details sutch as
Rustling Pokemon (which did a return in ORAS)
Glorius Last pokemon Music which got underused
Rotatory battles and reverse battles
Special Wild battle themes which is the last generation to use it
And the most important
S E A S O N S
@@seba2366 There's a lot I didn't remember, it was a brief list of the most memorable ones to me, not an exhaustive one.
slavkei as a 2D pixel animator.... It’s not that simple. The 2D animations in BW are not animated frame by frame, they are a different technique altogether, it’s similar to what Vanillaware does. The Pokémon parts are chopped, and rotated and moved around to simulate motion, but the frames themselves are not redrawn. Animating a 3D model needs it to be modeled, rigged, weight painted, textured... animating it is a tiny part of the whole process, which ends up being much more work than what they had in BW.
I’ve been dissatisfied with GF’s mediocrity as much as everyone else, but arguing with misconceptions can’t generate good argument, so I had to clarify this.
"As long as the game is fun, animations don't matter"
So you'd still love mario if he didn't have a jumping animation and constantly stood still even while moving? The breathtaking experience of swinging through the city as Spider-Man would be exactly the same if Spider-Man made no dynamic poses while in the air? Nothing would detract from your experience of mario kart, even if the characters had no unique animations, just sat lifelessly in their carts and just kept looking straight ahead at all times?
The ironic part is animations can make a game fun. One of my favorite games Enter the Gungeon is a good example. Enemies move in different ways that make sense with their personalities
I can imagine spidey just floating in air T-posing while a string comes out of his chest
True
The people who say that might as well play games with all of the characters t posing because that's what it is without animation.
Guys let's just make all the pokemon blank squares with different stats, I mean designs dont affect the gameplay right?
Yes, grey square #45.
No, they don't. In fact, one of the most interesting things in the original Pokemon was literally a glitchy rectangle.
@@granthamlin8126
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lmao that was because it was literally a glitch- glitches are interesting, when there's a glitch you expose it!! plus it's the ONLY well known glitchmon that's a fuckin glitchy block L
@@granthamlin8126 0 iq confirmed.
@@rokkumanex2293 Oh no, you got me. How ever will I come back from thaaaat...
In short:
*"He's just standing there, menacingly...."*
-Patrick
Ah yes, some wise words I've said...
Beat me to it.
I love how the music in the video slows down when we see GF's idle animations LMAO
yeah haha
It straight up emphasizes the importance of better idle and battle movement animations
That’s dedication lmao
I loved that
yeah coz that boring af
Such attention to detail. meant to show how lifeless the idle animations of GF are LOL
I didn’t even know the other half of Starmie could spin like that, I was so used to the whole Pokémon spinning together in the show or not spinning at all.
Same it was like a month ago since i relised that
Hey, GameFreak is just a poor indie developer. Cut them some slack. It's not like they're working on a billion dollar franchize.
Lol
It isn't like their best game is the highest-grossing media franchise with a massive fanbase who have stuck around for years and want some more effort in the games they will buy or anything
Yeah with card games, cartoons, movies, games, toys, apparel, etc. They smol no bullie
It's not like they've created the highest grossing games on multiple handheld consoles or anything
r/woooosh
You should make a video about how unsaturated the colors of the 3d models are. So many pokemon with vibrant hues get "washed out" for no reason.
@@useraccount6157 Faded colours were an XY problem tho? They've brightened Pokemon in SunMoon/Let's Go/SwSh(i think). But i see where you're coming from, i've always hated the washed out colours of the 3DS models. Hell, im not even a fan of the revamped cries they gave to old Pokemon, gimme those pixelated cries over muffled noises that sound the same aw yeah
and that made some shinies look not even that great
Yeah, some pokemons look Like if They had been in a cave for way to long
Even Kecleon looks *faded*
True. One look at empoleon before and after 3D shows how washed colors became
Lantern is so lively and colorful in Gen 4 and its so dull now starting gen 6 :/
Game Freak could sell boxes without games in them for gen 9 and apologists would still defend them.
It'S haRd To MAke a gAmE
Pokémon Labo
itS hArD t0 kReate CArTidGes
If YoU dOnT lIkE iT mAkE yOuR oWn
I don’t have to be a gourmet chef to know when food tastes like shit.
imagine crying over a game, just don't play it you don't like it. Im going to play it and explore the region, meet new characters and catch all the new pokemon while you sit home watching someone else play it
0:49 - "I thought PBR was a beer"
Wow.
Pokémon Beer
I literally didn’t know PBR existed. The only video games I’ve played before my switch was supersmashflash
I wasn't really old enough to play it myself and actually win any fights but I remember having a lot of fun watching my cousin play it
🧠
🗑️ 🚶♂️
Fire Emblem comes to console: Intelligent systems ups the graphics, quality, game length, more tiers of classes, more maps, just about more everything, in their first console game in over a decade.
Pokemon comes to console: Gamefreak cuts half the pokemon, doesn't upgrade animations, still 8 gyms, trees look like N64, 'bAlAnCeS gAmE'.
Fire Emblem actually asked for help from the developers of Dynasty Warriors to make 3H.
Game Freak should think about doing the same. I've seen people suggest Monolith Soft.
@@Rot8erConeX Monolith Soft probably has their hands full. Working on a new IP yet to be fully unveiled, helping with the next Zelda, probably cooking up another Xeno title. But even if they weren't busy I doubt Gamefreak would use Helping Hand.
@@Rot8erConeX
I agree with all that, except for the gym one. What's wrong with 8 gyms? I don't see that as an issue
@@mattrare4459 i mean me personal i want it to have more than 1 region.
@@commissarlugh1040
Well yeah, so do I, but having only 1 region is not a problem. It wasn't a problem in any other game so why would it be one now?
It’s apathy, dude. GameFreak is feeling less essential, so they’re focusing on other games. Ironically, I think they’re gonna screw themselves outta their cash cow.
One can only hope that Gen 9 will be made by another studio entirely. Game Freaks glory days have been over ever since they first tapped into the 3D world.
Jora this. GF was at their best when working with sprites and minimal 3D (gen 4-5).
BW, HGSS and B2W2 were their best games by far.
Gamefreak's "Town" has a lot more soul than Pokémon SnS. I can blame them for skimping on Pokémon, but I'm still going to support wherever they go next. :)
They need to switch the Pokemon Franchise to another developer, one who puts more effort and love into each of their games.
@@jhozan yesssss i know i hope they do that
I think out of all the main titles, gen 5 have the best sprites. They felt so alive
Same! I like gen 5 sprites :D
the best thing is that Gen 5 is animated like a 3D Model but with sprites
I just wish GF returned to making 2D games
So true. Sad that it’s an underrated Gen.
@@miss_cheerie And Verlisify hates it more than Iran hates the USA.
What if the idle animations were determined by personality? That would bring in player immersion and optional complexity to the games.
Edit: nature not personality
Then they will just chop the pokedex again cuz is to much work :T
@@11037idasMDK I hope you're sarcastic.
@@Anaea sarcastic or not, it seems like a gamefreak move lmao
In offline play this would be amazing, but for competitive it wouldn't work. The animations would give away the nature and potentially what build that pokemon is using to the opponent.
@@11037idasMDK since they're already kinda doing that, I don't think it'd be much of a difference...
Wouldn't surprise me if I throw my pokemon out in sword/shield and it was just t-posing.
Assuming I even get the game.
T posing for dominance
You probably shouldn't get the game
wingull does tho
@@blackattack1840 he's asserting dominance
Actually funny how most of the flying/floating pokemon actually T-pose.
I really hate how the colors have been so pale since X/Y.
stardustsdd, it is the sad truth. I feel as though the fifth generation has more life than its successors.
@Ammodaawe I did not know that, but yeah it still looks very uninteresting lol
Tell me about it. It's almost as though Gamefreak.................... lost its color
bruh, you did not just say that alola lacks color.
@@flix250 He meant the Pokémon, not the region.
i like how this channel is slowly changing into a Pokémon centered content channel, man we've progressed.
Smash is cool and all but there's sooooooo much more to cover with Pokemon simply because there are so many issues LOL
@@DistantKingdom I don't even play or have an interest in Pokemon and I enjoy watching these videos
Monado Boy mostly just turned into a channel of some guy that just loves to complain tbh even though I agree that's all it is is just him complaing
@@trash1397 However, his complaints are justified.
@@SmashAttack64 Thanks for tuning in : D
As a huge fan of pokemon, this makes me really sad. And as someone in college for game design, this is fascinating. There are literally classes I've had that talk about the thing you bring up in animation. Thank you for making me realize how low quality these animations are
Reread your comment, only the first sentence.
@@CemeteryDriveClown lmao, thank you. That's what I get for typing on my phone.
Ok I know this is suuuuper late but im going into college for 3d animation and game design as well and its honestly baffling how I never realized just how bad and lifeless these animations are even compared to stuff I've done, with only a year or two of experience
@@RustedKing just a question did have prior experience with animations or did you learn about it only in college?
@@WhereWhatWhenWhy i had prior experience but, if animation is your dream most places have animation 101s which is like your basic animation class for total beginners
y'know, The sprites for Black and white always had a lot more personality than the models used in gen 6/7/8 imo
I totally agree with you. One of my favorites was the Oshawott line. Playing cute and cool even if they are in pixels.
I'm gonna be honest and say Gen 5 (BW*2) felt like the last time Gamefreak was giving it their all. Gen VI (XY) and beyond has felt pretty soulless like they are only putting the games out just to meet some class deadline. There's some effort there but its minimal and in some cases very out of touch like a grandpa trying to use a computer.
If they're not going to customize animations for each Pokemon and make everything pop, I'd rather them just stick with 2D sprites. I don't think there's a single 3D model that actually looks good in the face of all the 2D sprites that came before it, and they're doing nothing to improve the animations for them.
definitely. loved the twitchy and lively animations. i loved looking at the animations of my starter (snivy)
Gen 5 sold pretty horribly unfortunately. So thus, gamefreak decides that gen 5s good points must be bad points. Largest regional dex solely featuring new pokemon and zero old ones? Lets make only tiny dexes from now on, game didnt sell well. Difficulty options? Handholding being there but not insufferable? Nope no more of that either. An actual POST GAME? Cant have that. Games didnt sell well. Must remove.
Remember that BW had awesome idle animations ! ...that were harder to animate than 3D models...
I agree that the BW animations are stellar (they looked so good, and sprite art isn't easy by any means), but those amazing PDR and XD animations must have had a ton of time in them as well, but I see your point.
I love bw 2 animations, even the trainers are animated!!
The animations in 5th gen are the best in the series aside from Genius Sonority. It really brought the Pokemon to life.
God! My favorite was Zekrom's animation. Such a boss.
Those were the good 'ol days
@@KaruCorp- Ooh yeah, the first First Pokémon game where even random trainers are animated
And even those you rarely meet like the one at the Pokémon Movie maker have unique animation
"It's just standing there, lifelessly."
That's a weird way to spell menacingly.
@Veonnj Caines our jojo
Veonnj Caines it’s from spongebob
@@munchakoopa4755 jojo came out before spongebob so its a jojo reference.
@@makzionut7096 only spongebob made a jojo reference.
*MENACING*
0:49
Ah, yes Pokemon Battle Revolution, my favourite alcoholic beverage.
I can’t believe people think Animation isn’t important even though that’s what makes everything alive in most video games!
I want a game where everyone just tposes. That will show them.
@@twizzlytwist I want T pose animations now.
Scrub_Nub Gamefreak arent even tryin anymore lmao. Hop has an dialogue animation literally ripped from Hau in Sun and Moon
Wingull:that's what I'm hear for.
I wouldn't mind removing the animation if that makes everything T-pose
Man, I really hate it when my games look good! I sure wish they just replaced all Pokémon with pieces of cardboard that have their names lazily scribbled across them in black Sharpie.
Oh, and can we PLEASE take a few polygons away from the trees? In fact, just make it a 2D object that rotates in perspective to the player? Or maybe they just shouldn't move at all, ThAt'S tOo MuCh WoRk.
Rotating 2D sprites can look really good ngl
That will be the Sword and Shield remakes.
@@master106 yea
What @@watermelon8300 said!
Although it's preferably on super low end hardware like the original DS where it's REALLY struggling to render.
Let's remove all customization for the character to! Including the female character ADDED IN GOLD AND SILVER. Wait no, let's just make them small pixels! Let's make Zacian and Zamazenta small pixels too!. It's too much work to make the models, right?
People: Animations are not so important
GF: If animations are not important,then every pokemon will use the T-Pose.
People: aaaaah yes,this is Quality!
Which adds a layer of meta humor considering how Pokemon as a franchise aims to dominate our lives, so having every Pokemon model and NPC model giving the player (whose model would actually be normal) constant T-posing will drive the point home. /s
oh, I can't wait seeing Arceus T-posing like a god crucified ! oh nah actually, that would takes too much effort from Gamefreak to make pokémon models
*I really wan't to see Squirtle T-posing*
Voltorb T-pose?
@@JP-hk6xw *BuT hE dOeSn't HaVe ArMs*
It always so cool how Steelix's elements rotated in Stadium 2 and the Gamecube games. Since Gen 6 it is just standing there barely moving.
I know right? Like it was magnetized to itself like onyx
Old animations: *Jelly Fish Jam*
New crappy animations: HE'S JUST STANDING THERE...MENACINGLY
The April Fool's sprites that Showdown did have better animation than GF sprites.
They aren't animated at all... wait, is that the joke? lol
GF should just use all of those in the game lol
Damn! Now i can’t use my Shi-Ens effect, damn you amano iwato!
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@@ivy_47 Pixelmon has better animations
You know what I would like? A Pokemon game in which ALL THE CHARACTERS are in the T pose. Permanently.
Gonçalo Carneiro you forget about WIngull
Honestly tho lmao
You’re right. It’s not like that would affect the gameplay.
@@ChillavaKirby We'll petitiona mod for Pokemon Showdown. It's free and we'll get them T-poses easy.
We’re getting it this year!
If animations didn't matter, then let's just have the 3D models just T-Pose. Let's just do that then.
Breathing life into the pokemon in the 3D games adds an extra layer of excitement and fascination, and also adds to the overall experience of the game.
A game can have a good and fun concept, but if it doesn't animate well or at all, it's gonna be seen as boring and not worth the time.
And honestly, maybe Gamefreak should have gotten Genius Sonority to help work on Sword/Shield.~
Well since battle animations are not necessary in a rpg which main feature is battle, I'm guessing FF fans won't mind if the FF7 remake has all characters in T pose with simple text for battle animations.
r/murderedbywords
Take that fanboys
I saw a video where someone mod the game to make all char do T pose. It's bad and hilarious at the same time
Hell one of the main reasons FF7 was so popular for its time was BECAUSE of the graphics and animations
FF1 is my fav FF and that's what it has basically
@@gamerprince-tl5hg Even now the animations hold up - they look badass and you can tell all the love and care that went into them. When done right, good animation is timeless; just look at Disney.
Don't forget Sun/Moon have walking animations for every single Pokémon in their game files and the sprites are fully 3D. All they had to do was recycle them and transfer them over... you know, like they've been doing with every single move since 2013!
I can’t wait for gen 9 when we transition to default tpose sprites ❤️❤️❤️
Oh, we already got some in gen8! The animation of the wingulls in the overworld for example!!!
Noah not even a joke, it literally is a t pose
And the somo Pokemon (forgot how to spell his name)
@@gearsoftime9375 the sumo pokemon? You mean Makuhita and Hariyama?
Noah dumbass, it’s flying around, that’s all it does, fly around, it’s in the dex entry’s
"The battle animations are literally the least important part."
Okay so we can go back to G1 where the pokemon stand perfectly still and you see a handful of particle effects when they attack
It'd be fine, as long as they still had dynamic angles/poses. Even sprites can beat these mannequins in personality.
@@uppindown8466 That's the point that Tanya Cockle is making. G1 didn't have those moments where the Pokémon moved. They stayed perfectly still the entire time.
You mean Sword an Shield?
@@uppindown8466 The diference is Gen 1 was on a Gameboy cartridge and all the gameboy limitations. And even then they improved what they could in Gen 2
i can't muscle myself into playing any pre platinum pokemon game because it gets so fucking boring seeing static images battle
To be honest, At first I never gave it much thought about animations. But now I can see what you mean. If the Pokémon aren't able to show off their personality threw their movement, Apart from optional mechanics, are they even alive in the game?
I'll be honest, I would at least like to see every Pokemon share generic animations, and *actually physically move* instead of having their model hop up for a second like someone activated a levitation cheat code and tapped a button
I personally would probably turn them off after a few hours of playing to speed things up a tiny bit, but I still want the option to have them at all
Eh, I really didn't mind the "personalities" of Pokemon since the anime makes up for that (but then again, I stopped watching the Pokemon anime since SuMo first came out. I hated the animation in that anine as Ash looks so much younger than he does in XYZ anime and fucking Lillie sounds like Minnie mouse and it hurt my ears. And the anime doesn't really follow the actual game). But after seeing this video, I can see what people mean about the animations.
Don’t forget masuda saying that they’re not having all the pokemon in the game for the sake of “better graphics and animations that give the pokemon PERSONALITY”
exactly!!
Honestly now I wanna go replay the gen 5 games. The animations seem to be so high quality now there compared to gen 6 onwards :/
Something I only just noticed now because of this video...
Pokemon in the animations made in gen 6 and onwards...
They don't blink.
I don't think there needs to be an explanation as to why that's an issue.
Regarding your name; so you're unREGIstered?
Badum-tish
They do blink, it's just not built into the idle animations. The game handles that separately.
Those are some really red eyes
Eyesight is for the weak.
Some of the pokemon don't even move *GLARES AT WINGULL* breathing isn't the biggest concern at the moment.
“Oh I’m SorRy ItS hArD tO dO wHaT nOw?”
Lol I love that part. Keep it pushing💪🏾
I know this is a year old but I couldn’t agree more with what he said. Not just in Pokémon games but in all mediums. Wether in a film, game, show etc the animation of something is really important. The way I would describe it is like reading a book out loud. You could just say it in monotone, you could just say it quietly or you could just shout it. But we don’t because we all recognise that how the story/book is read is just as important as what is being read. Jut like how animations are just as important as what the games/films/shows story is.
A wild T-Posing Hariyama appears!
"Halo theme plays"
Corvinknight...
someone out there needs to make an SFM movie out of this whole debocle
quick, get out your A-pose pikachu out to fight him!
In 5 years from now, Game Freak’s “animation” will be no different from
Having all Pokémon models just standing there T-posing in game.
elFacho
And the worst part is that these very same Sw/Sh Apologists would still constantly apologise for it.
elFacho I’m ok with the t posing 😂
Welcome to 5 years later, it's still basic af
The animations are also really important because that is Gamefreak's excuse for removing half of the Pokemon and not giving us the national dex
Fake Name exactly!
I'm pretty sure their excuse was that the models weren't high res enough for dynamaxing. Still, that's a bad excuse.
@@hinkyto2550 No, the excuse was the animations. See distant kingdom's new video, that shows the exact moment when they said the excuse.
GF are bad liars.
National Dex supporters: I thought you many things but not to lie
GF:"sweats at extreme rate"
i really dont get why people defend a lifeless company
@@dropoffire9927 or that a attack on the game is a attack on the company lol
And the saddest thing is what a immense waste of it's potential it is, Pokemon is one of the most successful franchises ever and let's face it has the resources to make good animation games and story it's company isn't just a small studio anymore trying to manage by financially so they can perfectly do they just have to drop less games( and in bigger time periods what's the use of rushing games the only real success of sword and shield -keeping in mind it's actual potential- was it's financial one- and no I literally haven't even played it but a game with that little time needed for completion is not cutting it for me to consider buying it sadly for anything else it has to offer, no matter whether a ton of it's other options are nice and new and yes- actually exiting you can't completely favor that over story and post story or you know ACTUAL LENGTH OF THE GAME NEEDED TO MAKE IT a *JOURNEY* WHICH IS THE LITERAL WHOLE POINT OF IT otherwise IT *IS* POINTLESS UGH- ;-;) and make the fewer games they are then responsible for better, even with just that, good care put into the animation(Because if you are gonna cut the Pokédex to make the animations more lively please actually make sure that's a thing ;-;) I think that alone could have given it all so much more soul, that and a good use of charismatic characters so that even if there is less actual planned game and story there's actual things to discover and there are reasons for you to wanna do so and revisit it. I don't know. I just want a break from feeling like the one thing I loved about my childhood isn't there anymore- because it got lost somewhere along the way. Yeah the new Pokémon are good and the designs for the characters aren't necessarily bad either and I don't doubt the potential I bet the designers put a lot of effort into the creation of them at the very least but the spirit of Pokémon got lost somewhere along the way of translating Pokémon into modern time consoles and 3d animation so no matter how exciting the new options are without the genuine feel of love and care for the story, characters, charm, challenge, places and excitement and strive for adventure that keeps you hooked the sad thing is that I end up leaving the newly bought game on the side to collect dust, and for an outcome like that I'd rather leave it be. Yes it's a kid's game and I am now adult. But this "old games" that I played as a kid still bring me joy to this day. It's literal charm is how ageless it is and stays inside your head years and years after as at least a memory of how it made you *feel*.The Pokémon movies whole charm is how despite them being kids movies I can still still watch them now and cry not only simply because of nostalgia but because I now understand the whole message behind them in a way I would've never been able to as a child and I love it, and because I can still discover and rediscover new things to it no matter how much time passes because it *was* genuine. That is what I want in a pokemon game. That was what they were able to do and that was what made it what it was to me, it's about how a world so alive and a journey that's so your own made you feel- and without that it's not really pokemon to me. And seeing something you love so much slowly go down- I'm not surprised so many are in denial.
@@Art-enjoyer_Fern
what do you mean by "actually exiting"
eh...I feel like the spirit wasn't like lost in the 3ds game really but the switch? something seems...different now. I really wouldn't say it was going downhill with the 3ds games really
@@Jdudec367 I do find being able to interact with the Pokémon more and seeing them interact with their environment in their different sizes and some other options the game does introduce in a different way to the mainline exiting , I don't think it has nothing to offer. And no I don't think 3d is the problem either sorry if that's how it came across the problem to me was how they went from having less in pixel but doing a ton with it and properly finding a good balance and going all out with it inside those restrictions to having technically more through 3d animation and the possibilities that the switch now offers and doing so much less with it. Before things were simple but on point- now that the medium was changed they are complicated but lack finishing and the time to flourish. That itself is a shame too for what the game in high-quality 3-d could have been. That's what's so frustrating about it the idea itself is not bad but the execution lacks- specially in what is the most important about it the literal pokemon in their battles which is what the entire series has to rely on to work.
Don't ask questions. Just consume.
Hard to animate 800 pokemon?
Well, they took about 400 away to give the other pokemon "the spotlight" .
Yeah, I’m glad they’re giving the spotlight to forgotten Pokémon such as Charizard, Tyranitar, Steelix, Arcanine, Lucario, etc.
Really glad that the memorable Pokémon like Farfetch'd are being removed.
@@eddiemate xD
All jokes aside i just need my favorite bug poison pokemon Scolipede to come back
@@eddiemate Farfetch'd is maybe the only good thing they made to the game. Is in galar and now with a more than deserved evolution Sirfetch'd.
Fernando Vasquez
Oh yeah, Farfetch'd definitely got what it deserved. Though I made that comment before Sirfetch'd was even announced haha.
I imagined a whole game without any animations at all, everyone was T-posing
I need this
"I don't care as long as it's good, you are just a bunch of entitled children. Better yet, I just want a bunch of boxes without textures or animations"
I imagine this is something a fanboy would spout just to prove a point.
@@monkey_blu why do you call me entitled, animation in a videogame is one of the most important things in videogames, since it gives life to every character an thing. Also the joke is that it's 3D, the basic pose for a 3D model is the T-Pose, the fact that it became a meme is none of my buissness, bud.
@@Sod1ePop ...did you actually read my comment? Did you watch those quotation marks?
Go back and read it again.
That would actually be funny so can't say i that's something to complain about tho.
*This has nothing to do with the video, but the models without any shading looking SO weird*
I believe in the games there is also no shading, however they have black lines around them to make sure mono coloured Pokemon Don't blend in to themselves. An example from this video is keckleon
Ikr even without the movement it makes them more lame
Textures can get reeaaaaal weird. You'd be surprised at some of the weird texture/shading/lighting interactions there are with models.
The best animations to me will still be Pokemon Black and White series...
I agree
As far as the sprite based 2D games go black and white was the best, the GameCube titles and PBR are still the best 3D games.
I'm still in love with what they did with your trainer's arm when throwing the pokeball. I forget what exactly but I know its special and I love it
But I prefer heart gold soul silver sprite design
@@izzygalax same here. I always love that. Wish they bring it back, much better.
Persona 5 gave me first hand experience what quality truly feels like. You are right, I've been fed mediocrity for so long I didn't realise how a good monster catching game could be.
James' Wallet he is right! There are lots of personas each with their own animations and very expressive. FACTS
@James' Wallet FACTS
@James' Wallet What?
@James' Wallet Oh nvm I think that was some Star Wars reference. Im not a fan, so I didn't know.
@James' Wallet What the first guy said was not an opinion or fact it was a statement. We cant confirm if its true or false. He may or may not have payed games with trash animation. The only opinion was him implying that persona is good.
Idle animations are a corner-store of gameplay, as someone who plays a lot of fighting games (yes including pokken) idle animation is something you absolutely need to get right in order to communicate at a glance what kind of opponent you are up against. Are they jumpy and limber? Focused and collected? Zone you out with special moves? Clunky and defensive? When everyone's animation looks the same how are you supposed to figure out their style of combat?
Prime example: Delphox. Delphox has a good speed stat, but looking at how it stands in its idle animation I'd think it was a more on the defensive side and extremely slow.
@@justice8718 so you think characterization of idle animations isn't important for rpgs full of almost a thousand characters and you need to help new players understand each and everyone of them?
@OddSauce Except that’s only important in real-time fighting games.
@Graceful Rage
That’s more of a problem of it’s already flawed design.
@@gracefulrage3022 but you wouldn't really expect a mage to be jittering about, you would expect them to be calm
@OddSauce I think the design itself needs to express stats of a monster more so than battle animations.
The fact that you had to make this video in the first place really says a lot about The Pokémon Community
I mean, you get those people who just look at a pokemon and just asks for their typing and competitive use and don't care about how it looks like or act or whatever. They are just a lump of stats to them
不要谷歌这个,笨蛋 oh And then there are those people who are all like if it’s not Pokémon I don’t like it and whatever is Pokémon I’ll buy it regardless
yeah bro we sure do live in a society
Pokémon Stadium was also dope for this very reason. I remember the entrance animation of Nidoking doing like a war cry. Snorlax flipping over after getting brutally hit by an attack. Blastoise actually using his cannons... 😪
I loved how many Pokemon had fainting animations that made it seem like they were making an effort not to collapse or to get back up. Mewtwo for instance.
Also love how in Pokémon stadiums they do the kicking animations. Have you seen kabutops kicking animation? It is awesome. Same with the fighting Pokémon.
Man tripled his script to make a point
I should use this more often...
You should be hired for game freak's Pokémon Stadium 3 announcer. Your only sentence would be "It just stands there!" everytime a Pokémon plays an attack animation.
Ha! Bold of you to assume there will be another Pokémon Stadium.
Frase?
@@grategoogleemooglee autocorrect it means sentence
@@guaitxican So there are actually 3 stadium games. The first stadium game didn't have every pokemon and exclusive to japan. The next 2 were the games that came to the west
Or "the pokemon is devoid of its soul"
The saddest part is that the game is almost 100% finished and they are not getting anything changed. They are just waiting for the holidays to realease it.
Defender: Oh my god! It's only five months. They can polish the game in that amount of time, stop being negative! Look at Mario Odyssey, it got a massive upgrade between the first trailer and the end product within six months.
Me: You... do realize they'll mostly be working on localization at this stage. And although the thing about Odyssey is true it still looked pretty good in its release while Pokemon SwSh looks almost like a beta.
Defender: ....
Defender: It's not that simple! You're not an expert in game design, so what do you know about development--
Me: DO YOU?!
twitter.com/Mucrush/status/1148315386452041729
"ThE GaMe iS nOt fInIsHeD, it WaS a DeMo"
I used to believe this would happen with Sonic Forces.
It didn't go well
It bothers me that the Pokémon Amie, and other games like that have animations that you can not see in the Dex... And most of the time, they’re really good! The only one I really know is one for Glaceon. It legit does a backflip on the spot. What!?
LoLoLaaarry124 that shows their backwards priorities: “lets give all the more interesting animations to that one mode some people may or may not care about, AND let’s cut corners in the battle mode people will be playing and seeing ALL THE TIME regardless if they’re playing the story, competitive, collecting, nuzlocking, casually, etc.”
I don't understand why people are saying "Lol animation isn't important" when that's literally one of the reasons Gamefreak has stated why all the Pokemon won't be in Gen8 since they are, AND I QUOTE, "We're creating it with much higher fidelity with higher quality animations" which is a bullshit lie since everything we've seen is just reused from Gen6/7 with slight touch ups.
Gigamaxing: Did you say they didn’t put any attention to me!!!
@@justice8718 they didn't, and you're trying to hard to shill for a feature that will get removed next gen lol
@Zedek Hello, delusional.
Del Arcadia I mean they’re literally 1000+ Pokémon, they can’t bring life into EVERY mon even if they didn’t take out the National Dex.
@@thejuic3b0i64 They are literally using the 3DS assets and animations, it's a billion dollar company using hardware stronger than the 3DS and Wii. I fail to understand how they can't. The Animations for expressiveness already exist if they really wanted that.
The fact that Game Freak clearly CAN give these Pokémon fun and expression animations just makes the whole thing a few thousand times worse.
Just like they CAN put every single Pokemon in Sword and Shield since they already have all the models and animations ready.
GameFreak is a joke.
They've become as bad as most AAA studios nowadays when it comes to content for a 60 dollar game, should've stuck to making handheld games because that's obviously their expertise
"b-b-b-b-but theres over 800 pokemon"
well now there isn't. if they remove the national dex, they should make up for it by making the pokemon we do have more animated
that was the excuse for removing the national dex, and yet the pokemon are the same as before
@Ignatius David Partogi But then there's news that Game Freak halved their resources to work on another new game which they called their top priority... so now we know where all the resources went.
@@xrklamyte9839 still 75 is a lot
493 Pokemon are already animated really well in PBR and they could have just re-used those. Sure they'd be using animations from a 10+ year old game but they're a hell of a lot better than what we have now.
@@xrklamyte9839 That pisses me off even more because why would they make such a stupid decision and then lie and make shitty excuses to the fans when it went to shit
Remember when Hoopa sent out it's rings when using Hyperspace Fury in ORAS? Or Mega Rayquaza flying up to the sky to use Dragon's Ascent?
Good times
creatures inc probably makes the good idle animation and gamefreak removes them because their game literally can't handle them because they are so bad at optimizing the game.
Your pic make this comment so much more better
@@pierremings8274 lol for real
Wait, is this true? Pls send me a source for this, I need to -fuel my anger- research this controversial topic
Timothy Kim just pure speculation by me I don’t have a source sorry
@@jimbojim4767 yeah, but now that pokemon is on the switch it should have much more capabilities than the other handheld games
"as long as it's a good game"
"If it's a good game"
Are these idiots not realizing that the animations being completely absent are part of the reason WHY the game isn't good?
There are other still important factors to account for, and animations are merely a very, very essential part of one of those things: the presentation. The other factors, ordered by importance in an actual RPG, are as follows.
Story: Story is essentially the most important thing in an RPG. The one thing RPGs are designed for is to tell a lengthy, well-written story in the form of an interactive experience, and the one thing neither critics, defenders, or apologists will ever know until release is the story. Why? Because all of these people will only get hints of what's coming up, which is, like... what? Just the hints and none of the fancy, detailed stuff everyone will be seeing once they dive in? Yeah, that's it. And because I can't comment on the story, I have no opinion on it whatsoever.
Presentation (ties with story as #1): Animations definitely fit in here, but there are other things that are important to this aspect, most importantly a working User Interface. It's essentially what you'll have to look at alongside the animations, and the one thing you must not do is make the interface clunky. What's Sword and Shields UI going to be? Obviously a simple, easy-to-use one that'll allow players to easily decide what to do in battle. That's automatically a good thing about Sword and Shield. The lack of pokemon animations, on the other hand, is automatically a bad thing. Of course it went without saying that the animation quality went towards all the trainers (Bea, anyone?). Presentation be neutral.
Game Balance: Literally the deciding factor as to what makes a turn-based RPG a game is the balance. Pretty much everything about this is all about numbers and what strategies that need to be taken in order to work your way around those numbers (ex. status effects, buffs, debuffs, weaknesses and resistances). So far, it seems like Sword/Shield is amping up the difficulty a little while making sure the difficulty is still steady. Yes, difficulty is actually important. I'll definitely dock it down if Dynamax is indeed forced onto both sides of the battlefield like it's currently made out to be (because honestly, those just throw in another buff race).
Overworld: Yes, the overworld, because this is where stuff like puzzles and quests will be put in. Puzzles and quests, as in game mechanics. We've yet to see any of the games' puzzles and quests yet despite the overworld featuring god-knows-how-many roaming mons, though I don't see it stacking up to Sun/Moon's overworld with its trials essentially consisting of quests and a boss battle (good god, that Wishiwashi battle) in each.
Controls: If this were a 2D RPG, probably the least important thing is the controls since all you really need to do is make sure a character stops at the right tile or the character can go through what clearly looks like a spot they're meant to go through. If this were a 3D RPG, well, it's the same thing but you have to work with analog control, which takes plenty of more work to handle than simple D-pad movement, not to mention 3D models require a much different set of hitboxes to prevent players from falling into the void from a wrong step into them.
Taking all these into account, I'd say they won't be as good as the defenders are making it out nor as bad as the critics are making it out. They'd just be "okay" at best and "meh" at worst.
Children dont have common sense.
@@Flashlight237 Oh, so you're just going to ignore the pokemon popping into existence and the inexcusably poor textures and graphical bugs in the presentation side? Alright.
Pokemon has never had great storys
Black and White was the best they could get
And the sad part is some pokemon have great idles but so many are so bad, incineroars idle is great, he is smug and waving the opponent towards him and roars every so often. And then pokemon like starmie just stand there
Vibrava, Masquerain, Yanma and Yanmega are all great too.
Honourable mention to normal form Necrozma, who is supposed to be a bit dead and looks like it's in pain sometimes.
@@tzootzoo802 that's most Pokemons idle tho
Goggles Luxio I know. And that's....sad....
Swellow doesn't even have an animations and it just glides in place. I hate Sky Battles and what they did to our poor Flying Types.
Shedinja has a great idle animation lemmetellyahuat.
Proof too that the PBR animations are way better than SnS is that the Kanto pokemon have been using the same animations since Stadium, the Johto have been using the same animations since Stadium 2, and the Hoenn pokemon have been using the same animations since Coliseum! Despite their age, they still are leagues better than anything we've seen since X/Y and even come from far inferior systems when compared to the Switch.
Literally all the evidence is against Game Freak and they still refuse to acknowledge there’s a problem.
instead they think we missed the bike, so added it back.
I think people think that the models are 'better' because of the HD on the switch compared to the bad quality on the 3ds. But don't be fooled, its the same animation.
Long story short, Gamefreak are a joke and don’t deserve Pokemon anymore, pass it to a company that can do better, Gamefreak have admitted themselves that they don’t care.
just give it to genius senority and put a battle "animation pace" setting in the game's options so they can chose "full (PBR animations)", "brief (full animations but skips to the point)", and "OFF ( literally just T pose the mons and battles feel like a text based RPG)"
Diddz' that’s not the point here pippin. The point is progress and improvement. If I wanna play an old Pokémon game I would just do that.
Yeah thats what I'm thinking, they clearly hate pokemon anymore, are tired of it and don't care. so give it away.
Yeah, if Atlus wasnt owned by Sega then Pokemon should be handed to them. They make high quality animations, and dont sacrifice game features (unlike game freak with the national dex)
Level 5, Squarenix or Way Forward can make a good Pokémon
Animators: Alright I am finished with these nice full with charac-
GameFreak: forget about it
Animator:Wait wha-
GameFreak: we're not using them
Gamefreak: Sorry we are not going to pay you since we don't use animation anymore
Animator: ...
All these games got ARE the Pokemon. Not having good animations is like missing 1/3 of the game.
Along with the battles which they also didn't animate properly
Yeah I mean it’s not like Pokémon games have anything of substance like a story, or an animated gloriously rendered region( besides one bad area shown off at e3 that is likely being improved upon as we speak) or even a postgame that could literally be anything from revisiting the goddam sinnoh region, to another looker sidequest. Do the fans know? No, do the fans care? No. Why? *ma preshez lv. 100 shiny Breloom that I ported from ruby and sapphire can’t be in the game, and gf isn’t giving every Pokémon in the game their own unique animations for every move they can learn to compensate for ma lost Breloom!* the irony of which being that no one knows how many or even which Pokémon are for sure not making the cut!. I’d laugh my ass of if it was only like 60 Pokémon total who were cut. Meaning that likely the vast majority of Pokémon fans are complaining for no reason.
@@henryknippling2408 So you're saying that its okay to remove pokemon and gamefreak saying that they will improve the graphics but they don't and the old animations being reused?
You must be in love with double kick's and tail whip's animation
Henry Knippling Pokemon games are not known for their stories. Every game has the same story: child gets Pokemon, bumps into gang, gang wants to capture a legendary Pokemon to rule the world, child beats them. Also "gloriously rendered"? They're just low poly motionless fbxs with standered lighting. Any bloke with unity could make a better looking game. Re-using older assets while not bringing back all of the Pokemon is quite lazy. If you think it's okay to play low effort games made by people from a multi-million dollar company who'd rather be doing something else, then I'm sorry for you.
Vincent Goessens a. It’s been proven by ruffledrowletthat gf has been improving the graphics since the e3 presentation. So they are improving it. B. I’m saying it’s okay for gf to make the game how they think it should be made.
He's just standing there... MENACINGLY
ゴゴゴゴ ゴゴゴゴ
@@JP-hk6xw *Mezame tamae, waga aruji tachi yo*
Why do i hear boss music?
I just want you to know you're a hero for the community in my books. Keep up the fantastic work!
But alot of the comments he points out are attacking these people who don't care not because it isn't important. But because they don't mind not having it. Like walking with pokemon. Is it really going to harm your enjoyment of this game even if it's not there. It hasn't returned in 3 generations.
Pointing out the ignorance and bad taste of Game Freak apologists without caring about public image is honestly the most daring thing I've seen out of a RUclipsr the past decade.
@@Masterslam999 It's awesome and this shitty site needs more of it honestly.
@@Masterslam999 yeah but in this video these people aren't game freak apologists. They are just neutral.
@@nateoscar2950 I understand your views and agree that just because animations do not interest you do not make you any less of a person and in some regards any less of a fan. However the point is more gf is being lazy or just incompetent about their game design. Again if this doesn't bother you that's fine but, IDK why people would go out of their way to try and stop these animations being added, being afraid of a higher quality game is baffling. However if you where offended by my post I genuinely apologise. I just simply want this game to be the best it can be, I want Masada to fix this game and redeem himself far more than I want him fired. Etc
Mega evos could've been perfected but everyone loved them, they just needed balancing and flygon needed one. Z moves added variety and were pretty cool. Dynamaxing is straight up garbage
Mega evo: super powerful, flashy evolution!
Z moves: super powerful, flashy moves!
Dynamax: big. strong.
Agreed
But also can't wait for gen 9 gimmick which will make us think dynamax was good in comparison.
@@Octobris leaks say it's either adding a type or changing the pokemons type.
Fuck me we peaked 10 years ago.
@@Octobris Update: They just made the Pokemon s h i n y and slap big chandeliers on their heads.
It just surprising how the fact that we'll get an unjustified incomplete dex made us truly realize how game freak has become a lazy developer. We have scrutinize the games looking for proof of this.
Fun Fact: PBR, XD Colosseum, and Stadium 2 use the animations from the previous games, meaning gen 1 Pokemon have had the *same* animations since Stadium 1 on the N64, and you know what? They *still* look better than anything X&Y/USM have given us.
Genius Sonority, who developed Colosseum-PBR used these animations because they're smart, instead of *making entirely new animations for Pokemon you wont even see in the story, just use the old ones from previous games.* And guess what? It worked. They work smarter, not harder, and seeing as they have 22 employees according to Wikipedia (actual citation needed, please) its very beneficial they they do in fact work smarter, and not harder.
In case you're wondering, Game Freak has 143 employees as of 2018 and still cant do something a 22 employee company could do from 2003-2016.
@GameBoy Cooler Yeah, and the Stadium models/animations were quality for about almost a decade to still be used in PBR.
Pokemon XD is one of my favourite pokemon game ever. And as old as it is it still has better animations than the new pokemon games. Sad reality we live on
GF does the same thing (same models and animations since xy), just not as well, and I still don't know why they cut Mons though
I love how you repeat the script for every single Pokémon. Really gives off that "come at me, I've got enough material for days to come" vibe.
I was kind of sad he stopped at just three examples. I mean, there are over 800 Pokemon now so this video could've been 200x longer.
But is he wrong? He's shown that Game Freak has the animations and has shown that they can make more quality animation, but chooses not to while cutting pokemon in order to "improve" the animations when they're clearly the same as before.
@@JessCArtist
Nah he's being generous this Christmas when it comes to responding to these disappointments
@@JessCArtist
What's the most infuriating thing is that it isn't something they could do, it's something they DID do and yet decided to cut because reasons. This entire thing has made me glad I'm poorer then most so I wouldn't try and buy it before all this came down. It really is an eye opener