Thanks for the clarification of the stats Thrift! For shits and giggles, my max PP build (with factoring the addis) contains Spirit III, Dread Keeper III, Nex Soul II and Addi Spitech, which gives a total of +23PP from augment capsules alone, and +37 in total when factoring Viosel Armor. The total PP you can gain this way is +111PP, with 69PP coming from capsules alone, and 42PP coming from the three Viosel Armors you'd equip.
I have a similar pp build but I’m using one viosel and two vios with dread keeper 3, nex soul 2, ael domina and gigas tech 3 for my force/tecther build and have 180 pp before using photon flare, it’s a nice build that lets me spam techs but also provide good damage so I’m happy with it.
I went with 3 Vidalun armors, and my current setup is Ret Domina, Dread Keeper III, Gigas might III and Daityl Soul II. is really fun to see so much HP and at the same time having really good damage. Thanks for the info, i used this to remake my augments in my armors, but i still think it can be improved, by replacing daityl soul with something like dustyl soul or one of the new capsules from the AC support scratch
Awesome build! Lots of PP with DKIII and Daityl Soul II. As for Addi capsules, I think it's a worthy investment. Keep an eye on orices and buy a couple when they look fairly priced. Once the support scratch is gone they'll increase in value. So whether or not you use them, you should be able to get your money back.
Very solid and informative video. People probably bring up Vios x3 tho because it's straight forward and honestly still plenty viable. The differences between the other sets aren't really something to lose sleep over.
Absolutely! Some players don't want to be affected by status ailments and if thats the case Vios is the preferred option. But it is fun to see a mixture of units provide better offensive stats. Theorycrafting and planning out builds are my favorite things about MMO's!
@@Thriftshoppin I've lost count of the number of times I've been killed in game simply because I got hit with a paralyze status effect and was unable to dodge an attack because the effect proc'd.
Thank you so much for doing this video. It's helped me a lot in that I decided to go a defensive build with my hunter yet still do pretty good damage even with defensive oriented augments. :)
Awesome video! I'm running 2 Vios, 1 Vidalun for an all-around increase in HP, PP, and potency with no downsides, but I'm considering replacing one of the Vios with a Greas just for the extra damage.
Thanks I went x3 zeont(Fixa Gaurd 2) and long term plan to upgrade to Greas, once fixa guard2 or higher are reasonable prices. I always forget we can mix our units though.
@@Thriftshoppin it's the same for relics.Prices are crazy on JP (global 2), I gave in and dropped 18mill for WL Fixa Termina lv.1, to save my sanity at how low the drop rate is/fighting the RNG battle. At least Vet/Giga hunting can be good money got to always look on the bright side to farm these things for long periods of time.
Thanks for the video! I changed my Ranger to more of a HP/Def build but I have scratched Offensive Ranger augments, that I may or may not use in this update but in the future. But my HP/Def build is basically the 3x Vindalun armour and with the Greaga Rifle with: Addi Guara Dread Keeper II Forms Machini Soul III Gigas Prec II (Dead and Gigas could potentially be III or another augment) 6.5% Def / 6.6% Potency / 95HP / 4PP x1 26% Def / 26.4% Potency / 310HP / 16PP (Wep and 3x Armour) I haven't even tried it yet, as I have been levelling other classes. Should be pretty stronger when I am: "FIRIN MAH LAZOR" during PSE burst/Bosses. Also, Just as an example below. You could subtract Dread Keeper for more Potency augments instead of Floor and this is with atleast a 2% armour potency aka Geant etc... Addi Deftra - 2.5% Floor Potency and 2.5% Range Potency Dread Keep II/III - 1.5%/2.0% Floor Potency Alts Secreta III - 2.0% Floor Potency and 2.0% Potency Mastery II/III - 1.0%/1.5% Floor Potency and 1.0%/1.5% Potency 7%/8% Floor Potency - 5.5%/6% Potency x 4 (wep and armour) = 28%/32% Floor Potency with 22%/24% or 30% (geant) Potency. Since the 5 stars are 75% - 100% variance, that should close the gap and make your attacks near/more then 100%; consistance damage? Also, is our max potency at the moment this? Addi - 2.5% Dust - 2.5% Gigas -2.5% III - 2.0% Geant - 2% 11.5 x 3 = 34.5 (3x geant armour) + 9.5 (wep) = 44% potency is our max at the moment?
The build ur planning is pretty good! One thing to consider would be pettas soul II over forms machini III if youre finding yourself tanky enough. PP is pretty important for laser spam and you wouldnt lose any potency in that swap. And yes the current best potency build is 9.5% potency, with geant/greas thats 44% and after scaling its over 54% potency on ur basic info tab
Oh about the floor potency, it has a less favorable scaling factor in comparison to raw potency so that 22-24% floor potency will scale to about 16% damage ajustment. Still insane. Thatd lush you to close to 90-100% damage adjustment
This is super helpful! Still trying to figure what I want to do. I bounce between classes a lot and don't want to have 3 sets to swap out so I am attempting to find what us best for me to do lol.
Just understand not every build you do has to be end game stuff! For example: Boss soul II/Gigas Stat II/ Alts Secreta II/ Stat III you lose in total 2% potency on each item from what the current max potency is, so 8% total. That's still somewhere around a 42-44% potency build. Super strong and for like 1/10th the price.
Good observation! If youre still leveling i wouldnt invest much resources into maxing out the units level and augmenting with expensive capsules. Levels will zoom by and you just need to be sure that your gear can reach the bp threshold to continue the story missions.
I have a new theory on third armor piece, which is a god-tier Klauz armor with skydance as S8. On paper this piece only has 28 defense and +6.9% potency, but it gives +17HP +18PP, +4.7% damage resistance. If you stay in the air, you gain additional +2% potency and damage resistance. The potency part is actually multiplicative, so it is equivalent to +9.0% potency with all other utilities.
I notice that a few base game players still use klauz. Nothing wrong with that! You miss out on a bunch of armor but as long as you sidestep and counter thats no trouble. Plus aerial potency? Damn like every class can float for eons LOL
@@Thriftshoppin It only work on leg piece with skydance though, other pieces offer either 1% potency or 5%pp reduction, which will be significant worse than NGS counterparts.
Wish I saw this video a week ago when I started investing into Retem units. My current build is Greas with 2 Vios armors. Will update it to a 2 Greas with Vidalun soon.
Don't stress over small improvements! Nothing in this content is going to be make or break on the swap between Vios and Vidalun. However, keep your eyes open and maybe you'll find a good deal/drop some of these units and the transition over will be of minimal cost.
@@Thriftshoppin Noted. I've been hopping classes ever since Retem was announced and even after it was announced and after maxing out Br and Fo while playing with Bo, Ra and Gu, I'm going back to my Tec roots. My augs have been really all over the place as a result so just getting a bunch of Vios armours felt like the safest bet for me. Right now, I'm going back to something with more focus.
@@asahi7407 check the geant armor market too. People selling off old fixa units with past meta augments for CHEAP. Especially when ur just having fun trying lots of things. I found two Fixa3Enthusia geants both 1.5mil each fully melee augmented the other day
@@Thriftshoppin Ah thank you for the tip! I currently don't have that much money to throw around at the moment so I've been relying on non-fixa equipment.
100% You can bet on content when we get actual stats to compare! There are a bunch of augments we still have no confirmation about as well (Nex/Daityl/Pettas Soul III, Mastery IV, plus what is Magia Fusia that dropped from the new mobs in the headline?). So yes, lots of reasons for videos as we get content drops!
My main's build is 1 Greas and 2 Vios. Ye i felt that 3 Vios was pretty weak if i wanted potency, but considering there are more enemies that hit for status ailments as i observed, having -100% or higher element res. Would be bad. As for my alt., it's a ranger with 3 geant, and im probably sticking to that. What i want was max unit potency, and my pp capacity is big enough to go launcher WA then immediately into fear eraser. I will consider adding HP augments on her though. I get too much aggro after one round of 300PP worth of lazer xD
Sheesh 300pp laser OP! Until we see more significant ailments, geant/greas isnt that bad. The worst thing that happens is you get shocked. Its annoying but nothing like being frozen. Once we are in the Winter region that may change how we feel about ailment resists xD
@@Thriftshoppin ye b4 i augmented into 150PP, i had to wait 5-6 secs b4 doing the lazer so that the grenade pop times well my First round of PP bar to almost run out. Now I can fire immediately w/o worry xD
Great video! I’m hesitant to lose my last sheza unit from Aelio as my drop for it was incredibly lucky: Fixa natura 5. Do you think I should swap it out regardless?
Fixa natura is really only noticeable on Force mainclass due to their already high natural recovery rate. If You're not Force mainclass, you're free to move ibto 5* units without feeling like you lost much. Enthusia/Performa fixas are your go-to fixas for all other offense builds.
average player - melee 3vios / ranged 3greas god tier player who can dodge/parry everything - just use 3 greas element resistance is so important in this patch.
Is it? What monsters make element resist a must have? I feel like most ailments are lackluster aside from being froze which i havent encountered any mobs that freeze
How bad is the negative 150% in status? Can a mob sneeze a fireball and you die while engulf on fire? Or is it a percentage more in Damage you take from a fireball?
Damage is minimal while on fire but youll gdt a -20% damage debuff. But most status ailments are not that impactful. The real pain in the butt one is being frozen which currently no Retem monsters freeze.
How about 2 greas 1 vios? You get mostly glass cannon, and more PP without being 100% suicidal with -120hp? I've been playing force with 2 piece geant for a while and it is kinda rough with -40hp already, even at 35 with maxed viossel 3rd piece I take massive dmg.
You absolutely could. But also consider a change in your augments too. 2greas1vios is -80hp, 5% potency, 34pp You could swap a 4th augment stat3 capsule for dread keeper2/3 for some added tankiness. This would allow you to go into 3 greas or 3 geant and you would net lose 1% potency but earn all the other dread keeper upside (+hp,pp,floor pot, damage resist). Building your gear is a case by case basis, but a lot of builds can be fine tuned by simply switching one augment or unit. Your head is in the right direction with greas/vios but you can achieve similar results with augment switching too, maybe even more favorable results.
You can refer to the table of stats for every unit. But i feel Vifj armor offer nothing important when compared to other units. 30 hp and 4pp, and no potency. If your goal is to get health in your build, theres better options, if youre seeking more pp, theres better options. Example: one geant and one vidalun unit would offer similar hp, more pp, and potency. Vijf doesnt excel in anything which is the problem. Viosel armor offers more pp, but no hp or potency. Geant is still better imo. If your concern is the negative to status ailment resistance, then youre looking for probably vios armor. But even THEN you could augment Addi Ward(mel/ra/te) for 20% resistance. That on all 3 units and weapon would give you 80% resist. Paited with 2 geant/greas, now youre only -20 status ailment resist. Geant/greas is too good to pass up, and you can cover pretty much any concern you have with those units by including a different third unot OR a slight change in how you augment.
We cover the capsules in more detail in my augmenting video. But yes, you would want to consider the -hp/-damage resist from secreta. If this is too much of a risk for your build, the next best offensive option would be might/tech/precision III
@@Thriftshoppin Not any of the Forms 3? Like the build could be: Might/Tech/Precision III Forms(main specific) III Gigas(main/sub specific if Technique class) Alta Secreta III
@@luiseatoll6368 You absolutely could but youre taking a .5% potency loss, 2% total. Swapping secreta for stat3 retains the same potency but you lose the floor potency
@@Thriftshoppin Guess I didn't phrase that well. What I was thinking is that the Forms could reduce the risk of an Alts Secreta by replacing Boss souls(Ragras etc.) to Forms. The Giga stat will have to negate the HP reduction coming from Alts Secreta which, would be 5 if it's giga stat 3 and 0 if giga stat 2. Trade off after the tally is 4% increase in damage reduction, 10% Floor Potency, 2% Potency and 20HP(giga stat 3) at the cost of 6% damage reduction and 40HP(0 if giga stat 2).
This video was recommended to me. I have a problem with you saying 3 vios is worse, imo you are just trying to be contrarian. The big problem is you are severely under valuing not having the -100% status effect. Where as the first set up (geas + vid) you only gain 3 armor and 30 hp while the second you are up 17 armor and down 10 hp. We do not know the attack stat of every monster (atleast I looked online and no one has a chart, only the damage calculation formula). Based on the formula we currently have that little armor difference will be unlikely to save you where as not getting and elemental proc is more likely to save you. Just think, the most vulnerable you are is when you can't move. If you get frozen it doesn't matter on your defense because you are likely to die regardless, or if you get a fire proc which will result in more overall damage than if you did not get proceed. until we get anti or something similar negative status effect is a really poor stat to have on your armor since we have no in combat counters to it.
To add to that, the final part of the formula is we are taking 20% of damage calculated. That means generally enemy attack stats are 5x higher than what you think. This mean bosses are at 1k+ attack stat whish makes the armor differential kinda moot. The situation this would change would be trash mobs, but again being locked in place due to a status effect is more likely to kill you than getting hit by trash.
For sure! I agree that being stuck in place due to the freeze status ailment is a huge game changer, but what monsters in Retem currently freeze? If the monsters change, or once we get to the winter region, yes status ailments will be much more of concern. So I agree and disagree with your point. Moving forward with content status ailments will always be of concern but in Retem there isnt any ailment that is of major concern, in my opinion. Its for this reason I suggest geant/greas over vios. When freeze status ailment becomes prevalent, all other armors will become a more sought after option.
I have 2 greas armor and 1 viosel and I use a bow, this armors with food with 14pp I have 178pp and 376hp but it’s very nice y have a lot pp and range damage
Agreed! A liitle more hp, a little less pp when compared to Greas. But most of us probably have good fixas on that Geant armor. Its kind of nice not having to focus on all new units + a weapon right away!
@@Thriftshoppin yeah.. plus, maxed the greas or whatever… and it literally is the same everything, even BP as my geant.. just less HP… so I definitely needed to give them to my Alts. I made a tank with the armor with the 70 BP.. my maxed HP was like 735 or something with them on lol
Do you have proof of this? It only shows the adjustment if the augment is on the weapon but floor potency affects the weapon damage adjustment if augmented to units as well
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great video. I think Sega got confused and actually should have put Greas Armor out first in Aelio region and Geant in Retem and switch the defense.
Right? Most of the community was expecting a slight upgrade, even 2.5% potency. But no potency difference when compared to Geant is surprising.
Thanks for the clarification of the stats Thrift!
For shits and giggles, my max PP build (with factoring the addis) contains Spirit III, Dread Keeper III, Nex Soul II and Addi Spitech, which gives a total of +23PP from augment capsules alone, and +37 in total when factoring Viosel Armor.
The total PP you can gain this way is +111PP, with 69PP coming from capsules alone, and 42PP coming from the three Viosel Armors you'd equip.
WOW thats a unique build! How many tecniques can you use before you have no PP left?
I have a similar pp build but I’m using one viosel and two vios with dread keeper 3, nex soul 2, ael domina and gigas tech 3 for my force/tecther build and have 180 pp before using photon flare, it’s a nice build that lets me spam techs but also provide good damage so I’m happy with it.
@@forceej sheeesh! You can probably cast for a full downed phase and not have to worry about pp regen!
@@Thriftshoppin I can fire Megid 13 times before Overemphasis, and 30 times after the overemphasis kicks in.
@@nostalgianinja THATS WILD!
I went with 3 Vidalun armors, and my current setup is Ret Domina, Dread Keeper III, Gigas might III and Daityl Soul II. is really fun to see so much HP and at the same time having really good damage. Thanks for the info, i used this to remake my augments in my armors, but i still think it can be improved, by replacing daityl soul with something like dustyl soul or one of the new capsules from the AC support scratch
Awesome build! Lots of PP with DKIII and Daityl Soul II. As for Addi capsules, I think it's a worthy investment. Keep an eye on orices and buy a couple when they look fairly priced. Once the support scratch is gone they'll increase in value. So whether or not you use them, you should be able to get your money back.
Very solid and informative video. People probably bring up Vios x3 tho because it's straight forward and honestly still plenty viable. The differences between the other sets aren't really something to lose sleep over.
Absolutely! Some players don't want to be affected by status ailments and if thats the case Vios is the preferred option. But it is fun to see a mixture of units provide better offensive stats. Theorycrafting and planning out builds are my favorite things about MMO's!
@@Thriftshoppin I've lost count of the number of times I've been killed in game simply because I got hit with a paralyze status effect and was unable to dodge an attack because the effect proc'd.
Right now im using 2 violto sheza fixa 5 guard and 1 greas. Fixa 5 provides a substantial amount of def for any 4 star armor.
Absolutely! Percentages scale! As long as you have a reasonable amount of health those guard5's will put in WORK.
Thank you so much for doing this video. It's helped me a lot in that I decided to go a defensive build with my hunter yet still do pretty good damage even with defensive oriented augments. :)
Nice! Im glad it helped you!!
Awesome video! I'm running 2 Vios, 1 Vidalun for an all-around increase in HP, PP, and potency with no downsides, but I'm considering replacing one of the Vios with a Greas just for the extra damage.
Def think about it! As gigantix becomes more farmable theyll continue to be cheaper :)!! Easy swap
Thanks I went x3 zeont(Fixa Gaurd 2) and long term plan to upgrade to Greas, once fixa guard2 or higher are reasonable prices. I always forget we can mix our units though.
Good sruff! Yeah my original plan was to mix Greas/Geant too but i couldnt justify the prices for Greas with high fixa.
@@Thriftshoppin it's the same for relics.Prices are crazy on JP (global 2), I gave in and dropped 18mill for WL Fixa Termina lv.1, to save my sanity at how low the drop rate is/fighting the RNG battle. At least Vet/Giga hunting can be good money got to always look on the bright side to farm these things for long periods of time.
@@azulleth9401 absolutely! But geants will serve me just fine for a while. At least until status ailments are bad!!
Thanks for the video!
I changed my Ranger to more of a HP/Def build but I have scratched Offensive Ranger augments, that I may or may not use in this update but in the future. But my HP/Def build is basically the 3x Vindalun armour and with the Greaga Rifle with:
Addi Guara
Dread Keeper II
Forms Machini Soul III
Gigas Prec II
(Dead and Gigas could potentially be III or another augment)
6.5% Def / 6.6% Potency / 95HP / 4PP x1
26% Def / 26.4% Potency / 310HP / 16PP (Wep and 3x Armour)
I haven't even tried it yet, as I have been levelling other classes. Should be pretty stronger when I am: "FIRIN MAH LAZOR" during PSE burst/Bosses.
Also,
Just as an example below. You could subtract Dread Keeper for more Potency augments instead of Floor and this is with atleast a 2% armour potency aka Geant etc...
Addi Deftra - 2.5% Floor Potency and 2.5% Range Potency
Dread Keep II/III - 1.5%/2.0% Floor Potency
Alts Secreta III - 2.0% Floor Potency and 2.0% Potency
Mastery II/III - 1.0%/1.5% Floor Potency and 1.0%/1.5% Potency
7%/8% Floor Potency - 5.5%/6% Potency x 4 (wep and armour) = 28%/32% Floor Potency with 22%/24% or 30% (geant) Potency. Since the 5 stars are 75% - 100% variance, that should close the gap and make your attacks near/more then 100%; consistance damage?
Also, is our max potency at the moment this?
Addi - 2.5%
Dust - 2.5%
Gigas -2.5%
III - 2.0%
Geant - 2%
11.5 x 3 = 34.5 (3x geant armour) + 9.5 (wep) = 44% potency is our max at the moment?
The build ur planning is pretty good! One thing to consider would be pettas soul II over forms machini III if youre finding yourself tanky enough. PP is pretty important for laser spam and you wouldnt lose any potency in that swap.
And yes the current best potency build is 9.5% potency, with geant/greas thats 44% and after scaling its over 54% potency on ur basic info tab
Oh about the floor potency, it has a less favorable scaling factor in comparison to raw potency so that 22-24% floor potency will scale to about 16% damage ajustment. Still insane. Thatd lush you to close to 90-100% damage adjustment
wow this is very helpful.. love your guide simple and straight to the point
I'm glad it provided you some insight! Thanks for the kind comments!
This is super helpful! Still trying to figure what I want to do. I bounce between classes a lot and don't want to have 3 sets to swap out so I am attempting to find what us best for me to do lol.
Just understand not every build you do has to be end game stuff! For example:
Boss soul II/Gigas Stat II/ Alts Secreta II/ Stat III
you lose in total 2% potency on each item from what the current max potency is, so 8% total. That's still somewhere around a 42-44% potency build. Super strong and for like 1/10th the price.
I used to be Qual Sheza x2 and Geant, and that build worked out well for me. I'm going to move towards Vios x2 alongside 1 Greas.
Sounds good! The PP from greas is nice and the HP from Retem capsules makes the -40 HP hardly noticeable
Vios is good for leveling because of it's low level requirement. Greas is end game armor when you're capped.
Good observation! If youre still leveling i wouldnt invest much resources into maxing out the units level and augmenting with expensive capsules. Levels will zoom by and you just need to be sure that your gear can reach the bp threshold to continue the story missions.
This video changed my life.
UmU! I'm glad it helped!
I'm going to try Greaga x2, Vios and see how it works out.
Sounds good! What augments will you plan on going?
!!! Apparently I cannot make a video without an error.
10:30 - Vidalun armor/Vidal armor hybrid is 160-185 HP NOT 160-215
Thanks @Meowquise!
I have a new theory on third armor piece, which is a god-tier Klauz armor with skydance as S8. On paper this piece only has 28 defense and +6.9% potency, but it gives +17HP +18PP, +4.7% damage resistance. If you stay in the air, you gain additional +2% potency and damage resistance. The potency part is actually multiplicative, so it is equivalent to +9.0% potency with all other utilities.
I notice that a few base game players still use klauz. Nothing wrong with that! You miss out on a bunch of armor but as long as you sidestep and counter thats no trouble. Plus aerial potency? Damn like every class can float for eons LOL
@@Thriftshoppin It only work on leg piece with skydance though, other pieces offer either 1% potency or 5%pp reduction, which will be significant worse than NGS counterparts.
Wish I saw this video a week ago when I started investing into Retem units. My current build is Greas with 2 Vios armors. Will update it to a 2 Greas with Vidalun soon.
Don't stress over small improvements! Nothing in this content is going to be make or break on the swap between Vios and Vidalun. However, keep your eyes open and maybe you'll find a good deal/drop some of these units and the transition over will be of minimal cost.
@@Thriftshoppin Noted. I've been hopping classes ever since Retem was announced and even after it was announced and after maxing out Br and Fo while playing with Bo, Ra and Gu, I'm going back to my Tec roots. My augs have been really all over the place as a result so just getting a bunch of Vios armours felt like the safest bet for me. Right now, I'm going back to something with more focus.
@@asahi7407 check the geant armor market too. People selling off old fixa units with past meta augments for CHEAP.
Especially when ur just having fun trying lots of things. I found two Fixa3Enthusia geants both 1.5mil each fully melee augmented the other day
@@Thriftshoppin Ah thank you for the tip! I currently don't have that much money to throw around at the moment so I've been relying on non-fixa equipment.
very nice break down
Thank you! I hope it provides some good ideas to unit builds~
Man, I appreciate this so much!
Lets go!! I am glad you like the video! Have you got any ideas for your unit build now?
i went with 2 sets that i like to mix up, 3 geant for 28.5% pot, and 3 vidalun 330hp and 10.5% pot.
techter/hunter-Wired Lance Main.
Not a bad idea TBH! I just did a purple trigger and died left and right. I might need to consider getting tankier units or just #GETGOOD
great content mate
Thank you!
Will you be making a new video to compare the new five star units coming as drops from dark falz later this month?
100% You can bet on content when we get actual stats to compare! There are a bunch of augments we still have no confirmation about as well (Nex/Daityl/Pettas Soul III, Mastery IV, plus what is Magia Fusia that dropped from the new mobs in the headline?). So yes, lots of reasons for videos as we get content drops!
My main's build is 1 Greas and 2 Vios. Ye i felt that 3 Vios was pretty weak if i wanted potency, but considering there are more enemies that hit for status ailments as i observed, having -100% or higher element res. Would be bad. As for my alt., it's a ranger with 3 geant, and im probably sticking to that. What i want was max unit potency, and my pp capacity is big enough to go launcher WA then immediately into fear eraser. I will consider adding HP augments on her though. I get too much aggro after one round of 300PP worth of lazer xD
Sheesh 300pp laser OP!
Until we see more significant ailments, geant/greas isnt that bad. The worst thing that happens is you get shocked. Its annoying but nothing like being frozen. Once we are in the Winter region that may change how we feel about ailment resists xD
@@Thriftshoppin ye b4 i augmented into 150PP, i had to wait 5-6 secs b4 doing the lazer so that the grenade pop times well my First round of PP bar to almost run out. Now I can fire immediately w/o worry xD
@@Prinny_421 Thats what im talking about! Way to find such a unique optimization to your build!
Great video! I’m hesitant to lose my last sheza unit from Aelio as my drop for it was incredibly lucky: Fixa natura 5. Do you think I should swap it out regardless?
Fixa natura is really only noticeable on Force mainclass due to their already high natural recovery rate. If You're not Force mainclass, you're free to move ibto 5* units without feeling like you lost much. Enthusia/Performa fixas are your go-to fixas for all other offense builds.
average player - melee 3vios / ranged 3greas
god tier player who can dodge/parry everything - just use 3 greas
element resistance is so important in this patch.
Is it? What monsters make element resist a must have? I feel like most ailments are lackluster aside from being froze which i havent encountered any mobs that freeze
How bad is the negative 150% in status? Can a mob sneeze a fireball and you die while engulf on fire? Or is it a percentage more in Damage you take from a fireball?
Damage is minimal while on fire but youll gdt a -20% damage debuff. But most status ailments are not that impactful. The real pain in the butt one is being frozen which currently no Retem monsters freeze.
A very great and helpful video thanks :)
Youre welcome! Thanks for watching
ATM and for so time longer I will just be rocking my 3 Geant armours two with guard 3+4
Yessir! Save all that money repurposing old units that still get the job done!
@@Thriftshoppin aand using an atk5 vialto launcher lol :/
@@matty4z it gets the job done. New elemental weps soon so hold out until we know the stats on those
@@Thriftshoppin true dat ATM Im just hoarding some items+accessories to sell later for some big meseta
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How about 2 greas 1 vios? You get mostly glass cannon, and more PP without being 100% suicidal with -120hp?
I've been playing force with 2 piece geant for a while and it is kinda rough with -40hp already, even at 35 with maxed viossel 3rd piece I take massive dmg.
You absolutely could. But also consider a change in your augments too.
2greas1vios is -80hp, 5% potency, 34pp
You could swap a 4th augment stat3 capsule for dread keeper2/3 for some added tankiness. This would allow you to go into 3 greas or 3 geant and you would net lose 1% potency but earn all the other dread keeper upside (+hp,pp,floor pot, damage resist).
Building your gear is a case by case basis, but a lot of builds can be fine tuned by simply switching one augment or unit. Your head is in the right direction with greas/vios but you can achieve similar results with augment switching too, maybe even more favorable results.
What about 3 x vijif units? It's a good pp and hp to balance it out? Or would 2 vidolan and a viosal unit be better?
You can refer to the table of stats for every unit. But i feel Vifj armor offer nothing important when compared to other units. 30 hp and 4pp, and no potency.
If your goal is to get health in your build, theres better options, if youre seeking more pp, theres better options.
Example: one geant and one vidalun unit would offer similar hp, more pp, and potency.
Vijf doesnt excel in anything which is the problem.
Viosel armor offers more pp, but no hp or potency. Geant is still better imo.
If your concern is the negative to status ailment resistance, then youre looking for probably vios armor. But even THEN you could augment Addi Ward(mel/ra/te) for 20% resistance. That on all 3 units and weapon would give you 80% resist. Paited with 2 geant/greas, now youre only -20 status ailment resist.
Geant/greas is too good to pass up, and you can cover pretty much any concern you have with those units by including a different third unot OR a slight change in how you augment.
You didn't account for the negative damage resistance coming from Secreta 3?
We cover the capsules in more detail in my augmenting video. But yes, you would want to consider the -hp/-damage resist from secreta. If this is too much of a risk for your build, the next best offensive option would be might/tech/precision III
@@Thriftshoppin Not any of the Forms 3? Like the build could be:
Might/Tech/Precision III
Forms(main specific) III
Gigas(main/sub specific if Technique class)
Alta Secreta III
@@luiseatoll6368 You absolutely could but youre taking a .5% potency loss, 2% total.
Swapping secreta for stat3 retains the same potency but you lose the floor potency
@@Thriftshoppin Guess I didn't phrase that well. What I was thinking is that the Forms could reduce the risk of an Alts Secreta by replacing Boss souls(Ragras etc.) to Forms. The Giga stat will have to negate the HP reduction coming from Alts Secreta which, would be 5 if it's giga stat 3 and 0 if giga stat 2.
Trade off after the tally is 4% increase in damage reduction, 10% Floor Potency, 2% Potency and 20HP(giga stat 3) at the cost of 6% damage reduction and 40HP(0 if giga stat 2).
This video was recommended to me. I have a problem with you saying 3 vios is worse, imo you are just trying to be contrarian. The big problem is you are severely under valuing not having the -100% status effect. Where as the first set up (geas + vid) you only gain 3 armor and 30 hp while the second you are up 17 armor and down 10 hp. We do not know the attack stat of every monster (atleast I looked online and no one has a chart, only the damage calculation formula). Based on the formula we currently have that little armor difference will be unlikely to save you where as not getting and elemental proc is more likely to save you. Just think, the most vulnerable you are is when you can't move. If you get frozen it doesn't matter on your defense because you are likely to die regardless, or if you get a fire proc which will result in more overall damage than if you did not get proceed. until we get anti or something similar negative status effect is a really poor stat to have on your armor since we have no in combat counters to it.
To add to that, the final part of the formula is we are taking 20% of damage calculated. That means generally enemy attack stats are 5x higher than what you think. This mean bosses are at 1k+ attack stat whish makes the armor differential kinda moot. The situation this would change would be trash mobs, but again being locked in place due to a status effect is more likely to kill you than getting hit by trash.
For sure! I agree that being stuck in place due to the freeze status ailment is a huge game changer, but what monsters in Retem currently freeze? If the monsters change, or once we get to the winter region, yes status ailments will be much more of concern.
So I agree and disagree with your point. Moving forward with content status ailments will always be of concern but in Retem there isnt any ailment that is of major concern, in my opinion.
Its for this reason I suggest geant/greas over vios. When freeze status ailment becomes prevalent, all other armors will become a more sought after option.
Good video 😊
Thanks Rhythm!
Man I don't wanna grind new armors again as a free to play guy lol.
Units should be the last thing you focus on. Weapons are much more important this update!
I have 2 greas armor and 1 viosel and I use a bow, this armors with food with 14pp I have 178pp and 376hp but it’s very nice y have a lot pp and range damage
Sheesh! 178pp thats WILD
@@Thriftshoppin I will use you combination 2 Greas 1 vidaliun for bouncer blades thanks for the advice
go thrift, go thrift :D
I still use geant and sense it’s the best armor for me.
Agreed! A liitle more hp, a little less pp when compared to Greas. But most of us probably have good fixas on that Geant armor. Its kind of nice not having to focus on all new units + a weapon right away!
@@Thriftshoppin yeah.. plus, maxed the greas or whatever… and it literally is the same everything, even BP as my geant.. just less HP… so I definitely needed to give them to my Alts. I made a tank with the armor with the 70 BP.. my maxed HP was like 735 or something with them on lol
@@joeresio DANG YOU TANKY!
@@Thriftshoppin yeah… but I went right back to my geant lol
@@joeresio ahaha Geant Armors are juat that good!
did Greas Viosel Vios
Interesting! High PP and youre covering some of the -element resist with viosel.
I dig it!
the meta is geant or greas armor... O theorycrafting... so sad about that !
Ahh if youre always focusing on potency then yes!
Good job. One problem though. Floor potency doesn't work on armor. It's only effective on weapons.
Do you have proof of this? It only shows the adjustment if the augment is on the weapon but floor potency affects the weapon damage adjustment if augmented to units as well
That’s a rumor, it does work, it’s just not shown on the weapon stat
Frame data proves this as well
Okay good to know. I used mastery 2 on all my units early on release and saw no effect. I was upset.
@@khopdub6206 for sure! Rest assures, youre getting the floor potency. Here's to goping SEGA fixes that.
very nice video, i like 💎💪🏽😉
Thank you!