Holy smokes...that is awesome, and no doubt loud! An unbelievable site, and naturally, an amazing marketing tool for the Navy! Hope you got all the groceries you needed! : )
It’s really telling how much the mission of the Gato’s changed when looking at the evolution of the conning towers. They started out with massive, protected bridges, then they cut them down to reduce visibility for surface attacks (Croaker would have been built with it already cut down iirc), then after the war they eventually get the larger sails again
That's true, Sirboomsalot. Some of the Gato's had an enclosed bridge, one that wrapped around the front of the conning tower. I believe the Amberjack, Growler, and Silversides (among others) originally had this design. When I was doing research, I thought maybe it was a design from one particular shipyard, but it wasn't. Wartime modifications were important to the fleet boat success! Thanks for your support!
@@BuffaloNavalPark Yeah, as far as I know all the Gatos launched up until around mid-1942 had them, but I’m not sure exactly when they started building them with the cut down sails.
On the side, what’s the meaning behind the kangaroos painted on? It’s obvious the Japanese flags are Japanese ship kills, but I couldn’t find any mention of it at the museum or online
The kangaroo's represent her four war patrols that they embarked from Fremantle, Australia. War patrols 3 - 6 begin "down under". The first was from Pearl Harbor, the second was from Midway. Thanks for watching.
Good one! All submarines in WWII were named after marine life. Just so happens our sub was named after the type of coastal fish that makes a sound like a frog! Thanks!
@@BuffaloNavalPark Semper Fi love the vid by the way. its much better to hear from the people that matter instead of an armchair expert thats not been withing a thousand miles of the event FWIW the USS "growler" gets howls of laughter from our UK friends to them a "growler" is.. how can i put this. an over grown lady garden in you get the idea LOL I love ship names.. i was once posted to an LSD had lots of fun with that too "oh yea im on LSD, man..."
2:10 "it looks like a gyro repeater ..." Looks like the mount for a target bearing transmitter (TBT). Come on guys, spend 5 minutes learning at least a little bit about the artifacts in your care before making fools of yourselves with this kind of nonsense. It is an insult to the museum and the people who support it. It is particularly harmful to those who might actually believe your videos are a legitimate source of information. Do you just grab someone walking on the dock and have them pretend to know what they are talking about?
Seconded. I came here to write something similar. Putting out guesswork and assumptions is worse than no content at all. Surely Shane has contact details for other museum sub curators with more knowledge than himself? Why not spend 10 mins on the phone getting a few facts straight before starting recording?? I love that various museum ships have RUclips channels and are doing their best to keep the history alive but their content HAS to be factual first and foremost above everything else. Many other channels fall into the same trap of guesswork
@@CJH2703 Thanks. That condition seems to pervade the museum ship community. Most viewers know nothing but believe everything. Those channels have become a cult of personality rather than a source of historical information. On the other version of this particular video a claim that there is no video showing an admission that the Sullivans was sinking the night before it sank has been blocked or removed. Watch the April 16 interview by Ken Stano on his tory ex channel at minute 1.
@@CJH2703Guesswork and assumptions is a good chunk of shipboard archeology. They don’t have all of the plans (but they do have the general plans in this case), all of the photos, and sometimes those don’t always correlate to what’s on the vessel today.
What’s your source that this is a TBT mount? It doesn’t look like any TBT mount I’ve seen and I can’t find any source that shows that SSKs even had a TBT (I’d be surprised if they did considering they weren’t at all supposed to be attacking stuff on the surface). All I’ve found on this at all for subs of this era is a few photos of Torsk’s bridge restoration where something that looks a hell of a lot like like a gyro repeater is labeled as a TBT. Shane has the plans right there, is the possibility that a gyro repeater is labeled on the bridge and Shane reasonably concluded that is it out of the possibility for you?
@@oldtugsOh no no no, you were claiming that there was an admission that Shane knew The Sullivans was *sinking and did nothing*, which is untrue per your own source. He knew there was possibly a new leak and contacted all the proper authorities and shut the watertight doors.
Thanks for the video Shane, some interesting history as always!
You're very welcome, Jeff!
Good afternoon. Just saw your post and alert. 3:50 in Houston. The Blue Angels doing a demonstration over the grocery store I'm at. Glorious and loud.
Holy smokes...that is awesome, and no doubt loud! An unbelievable site, and naturally, an amazing marketing tool for the Navy! Hope you got all the groceries you needed! : )
It’s really telling how much the mission of the Gato’s changed when looking at the evolution of the conning towers. They started out with massive, protected bridges, then they cut them down to reduce visibility for surface attacks (Croaker would have been built with it already cut down iirc), then after the war they eventually get the larger sails again
That's true, Sirboomsalot. Some of the Gato's had an enclosed bridge, one that wrapped around the front of the conning tower. I believe the Amberjack, Growler, and Silversides (among others) originally had this design. When I was doing research, I thought maybe it was a design from one particular shipyard, but it wasn't. Wartime modifications were important to the fleet boat success! Thanks for your support!
@@BuffaloNavalPark Yeah, as far as I know all the Gatos launched up until around mid-1942 had them, but I’m not sure exactly when they started building them with the cut down sails.
which one of those represents the Nagara?
None specific. Any with the rays of the sun. They were the capital or military ships.
On the side, what’s the meaning behind the kangaroos painted on? It’s obvious the Japanese flags are Japanese ship kills, but I couldn’t find any mention of it at the museum or online
The kangaroo's represent her four war patrols that they embarked from Fremantle, Australia. War patrols 3 - 6 begin "down under". The first was from Pearl Harbor, the second was from Midway. Thanks for watching.
So, many odd changes in the early 60s. I would never have expected most of them
Very true, Kirk! Technology was always adapting - through national trends and belligerent\opposing trends as well! Thanks for watching!
@@BuffaloNavalPark Yes, it just shows how much and how fast
USS Croaker? really?
what?
was " USS We All Gonna Die" already taken?
Good one! All submarines in WWII were named after marine life. Just so happens our sub was named after the type of coastal fish that makes a sound like a frog! Thanks!
@@BuffaloNavalPark Semper Fi
love the vid by the way. its much better to hear from the people that matter instead of an armchair expert thats not been withing a thousand miles of the event
FWIW the USS "growler" gets howls of laughter from our UK friends
to them a "growler" is.. how can i put this. an over grown lady garden in you get the idea LOL
I love ship names..
i was once posted to an LSD
had lots of fun with that too
"oh yea im on LSD, man..."
2:10 "it looks like a gyro repeater ..." Looks like the mount for a target bearing transmitter (TBT). Come on guys, spend 5 minutes learning at least a little bit about the artifacts in your care before making fools of yourselves with this kind of nonsense. It is an insult to the museum and the people who support it. It is particularly harmful to those who might actually believe your videos are a legitimate source of information. Do you just grab someone walking on the dock and have them pretend to know what they are talking about?
Seconded. I came here to write something similar. Putting out guesswork and assumptions is worse than no content at all. Surely Shane has contact details for other museum sub curators with more knowledge than himself? Why not spend 10 mins on the phone getting a few facts straight before starting recording?? I love that various museum ships have RUclips channels and are doing their best to keep the history alive but their content HAS to be factual first and foremost above everything else. Many other channels fall into the same trap of guesswork
@@CJH2703 Thanks. That condition seems to pervade the museum ship community. Most viewers know nothing but believe everything. Those channels have become a cult of personality rather than a source of historical information.
On the other version of this particular video a claim that there is no video showing an admission that the Sullivans was sinking the night before it sank has been blocked or removed. Watch the April 16 interview by Ken Stano on his tory ex channel at minute 1.
@@CJH2703Guesswork and assumptions is a good chunk of shipboard archeology. They don’t have all of the plans (but they do have the general plans in this case), all of the photos, and sometimes those don’t always correlate to what’s on the vessel today.
What’s your source that this is a TBT mount? It doesn’t look like any TBT mount I’ve seen and I can’t find any source that shows that SSKs even had a TBT (I’d be surprised if they did considering they weren’t at all supposed to be attacking stuff on the surface). All I’ve found on this at all for subs of this era is a few photos of Torsk’s bridge restoration where something that looks a hell of a lot like like a gyro repeater is labeled as a TBT. Shane has the plans right there, is the possibility that a gyro repeater is labeled on the bridge and Shane reasonably concluded that is it out of the possibility for you?
@@oldtugsOh no no no, you were claiming that there was an admission that Shane knew The Sullivans was *sinking and did nothing*, which is untrue per your own source. He knew there was possibly a new leak and contacted all the proper authorities and shut the watertight doors.