Shea could have gotten a little bit more value out of reconnaissance: There is an end-of-combat-step after damage is dealt, where you can use reconnaissance to untap all creatures that have attacked this turn. So recoinnassance grants some kind of pseudo-vigilance. I love this card!
Do The reconnaissance trick Shea!!. You can pull your attackers out of combat after damage is dealt. This is because theres a step after damage called the "end of combat step" and they are still considered attacking in that step. Reconnaissance is essentially vigilance 😂 Great game doh 🎉
Fun game. As it has already been said, Aurelia has vigilance. So she shouldn't have been tapped. On another note; the tokens from the first combat shouldn't have been able to attack during the second combat since they didn't have haste. 🤫
Seems like they immediately forgot it was there. At 17:00 right after its played CGB discusses blocking but decides not to because it would kill the humans, when the intended purpose of Reconnaissance would let her just remove them from combat safely.
Also wasn't sure on the two humans that came in, they came in tapped and attacking, but that doesn't mean they have haste and can attack regularly during that second combat.
32:07 Alela did not die; she was reanimated via Whip of Erebos, which replaces leaving the battlefield to anywhere except exile to exile. This would not have triggered Ben’s Meathook Massacre. 36:02 The two Human tokens that just entered the battlefield in the first combat phase can’t attack as they do not have haste. 36:28 Aurelia has vigilance so she doesn’t need to be untapped via Reconnaissance. In fact, Shea could have been giving all of her attackers pseudo-vigilance by removing them from combat in the combat damage step or the end of combat step. 41:14 Phasing out Hostage Taker doesn’t stop Ben from stealing The One Ring. HT specifically cares about leaving the battlefield, and phasing out does not mean the object changed zones (CR702.26d). 46:28 Blake could have created near-infinite Squirrels via the Earthcraft/Squirrel Nest combo with his remaining Pegasus token in CGB’s end step. It didn’t matter in the end, but it could have… 😂
@@LucasRoth42 As I mentioned, CGB reanimated Alela from the graveyard with Whip of Erebos's activated ability. Here's the relevant text from Whip: If it would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else. Even though CGB sacrificed Alela with Phyrexian Tower, the Whip's replacement effect moved Alela to exile instead of the graveyard. "Dies" is a shortcut that means "put into a graveyard from the battlefield" (CR700.4). So Alela did not die (be put into a graveyard from the battlefield) and was exiled instead. Thus Ben's Meathook Massacre would not have triggered.
That was great! I was getting mad at the order of how they went out, then CGB gained a GOOGLE life, THEN!!!!!!!! Blake pulled it out and whipped that big ol thing out on the table and said, “How you like them apples, CGB?!?!”.
If anyone is curious where the fairy from the 16:20 spell went, Alela only gives a fairy for the first spell each turn, not each spell cast on opponent's turns. It'd be awesome if it was the latter but it really makes for interesting gameplay and way of thinking.
What an awesome game! I always get so excited seeing an Isshin deck! You had some of my favorite cards in it. Ankle shanker is a favorite! Reconnaissance is amazing as well. Even if it wasn't used to its full potential. Keep it up guys I'm loving your show!!
That was one of the best games of commander I have ever watched, everyone had a chance. Was cool seeing the politics. Poor Notion Thief murdered so many times in their prime.
Actually, if something is "phased out," it's treated as though it doesn't exist. Thus, Hostage Taker isn't there to put The One Ring under, when it's ETB resolves, so The One Ring never changes control. This is different than the separate ETB and LTB triggers of Oblivion Ring, for example. Those triggers, like the trigger from Hostage Taker, have to see both the originator of the effect, and the target of the effect, in order to resolve.
@exsnypre: Not true. First, if something is exiled or destroyed, LTBs will trigger and resolve -- which is why if you cast and resolve Oblivion Ring, the O-Ring's ETB will go on the stack, and wait to resolve if you blink or destroy the O-Ring. When that happens, O-Ring's LTB trigger will go on the stack, _on top of_ the ETB -- thus, the LTB trigger resolves first, giving nothing back, and then the ETB trigger resolves, permanently exiling the original target. Phasing doesn't trigger ETB or LTB effects.
@@isaiahwelch8066 hostage taker isnt worded like o-ring. wotc changed how o-ring effects are worded so they dont get abused like that anymore. person who you replied to said nothing incorrect.
To answer the question, the relevant rule is 702.26d in the comprehensive rules - "The phasing event doesn't actually cause a permanent to change zones or control, even though it's treated as though it's not on the battlefield and not under its controller's control while it's phased out. Zone-change triggers don't trigger when a permanent phases in or out." Hostage taker is still considered to be on the battlefield for the purpose of its etb, so The One Ring should be exiled and Ben should be able to cast it as normal.
As far as i know, because the Hostage taker is fased out with the trigger on the stack, the one ring will go to exile, but due to the hability to cast it being in the hostage taker, and not being given to the card in exile, Ben would not be able to play the one ring till the hostage taker phase in.
At 36:00 Shea can’t attack with the tokens during the second combat bc they technically still have summoning sickness even after they enter tapped and attacking.
I just bought the fae dominion precon, did a slight upgrade on it. And mainly using Alela as the commander. But does her goading last as long as she is in the battlefield? Or it’s only active until the next turn? Example, player B’s creature A is goaded. Does it gets goaded until the end of his turn only? Or he gets goaded every turn as long as Alela is on the battlefield?
Interesting question. If it was killed, the "until it leaves the battlefield" wording would mean it won't get exiles at all, but with phase out it never leaves, so the ring should still get exiled.
Woo, what I thought would happen last time around a Google of Squirrils came out happened. xD Personally though, the 1x1 spam is the reason why I keep Ethereal Absolution in my decks. ^^
Double Googol isn’t what you want, what you’re looking for instead is a Googol Plex, which is a Googol to the Power of a Googol…if printed out, it’s literally miles long of zeros hehe 😜 😂
It seems that everyone says abaut reconnaissance mistake - sure... But ther is 2nd problem ;) The Token You create dont have HASTE... so the cannot attack in 2nd combat.... (thye just enter attacking, thats not the same as haste...). It didint metter at all here, still its a big deal for Isshin decks ;)
Love how CGB threatens with hus fish, but was upset when Ben had the fish and killed it. Why dies nobody kill the things CGB has when he goes out of his way to stop it when someone else has it.
JUUUUUDGE. Why would phasing the Hostage Taker save The One Ring? It never left the battlefield, phasing explicitely does not cause a change of zones. So Hostage Taker effect which was already on the stack should resolve and Ben should be able to play The One Ring from exile. What am I missing here?
You should do an episode called "The Worst Possible Clip Show." All of you "play a game" where each play reminds you of a spicy play from an earlier episode and show the clip of it happening. I love the increasing lore of your games, and I think it would be fun to revisit the moments that get referenced.
So CGB said he set his life total to a googol plus 24, and then Blake said he would create double the amount of squirrels, then played Horde and Hoof......anyone care to try and work out the total amount of damage that went CGB's way???? I don't think I have ever seen that amount of damage dealt in a game before, it may as well be infinite!!
I can only estimate, but each squirrel dealt 2x (googol plus 24)plus 1 from triumph, plus one from being 1/1. He dealt at least a googolplex (googol to the power of googol) of damage .
Cgb you already had goaded Ben’s commander and Shea’s garrison and she attacked you with the creature and you re-goaded it. Alela goads those creatures permanently not just for that turn
Goad wears off at the beginning of your next turn after you goaded The reminder text says: Goad (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.) That’s why Jon Irenicus (for example) says “its goaded for the rest of the game”
Im not sure why Blake P2E Ben's commander. I know it was 5 damage but there was a SHEOLDRED on the board. Like that hurts everyone including him every time they draw a card. Maybe he was trying to keep Ben in check. I dunno.I wouldve gotten that Sheoldred off the board asap. If he was trying to keep Ben in check why did he Beast Within the Notion Thief with the Sheoldred STILL on the board? I honestly just dont think thats good threat assessment. Someone make it make sense.
CGB is that nerd in HS who was never noticed so now he has to play blue in every deck and all the free counter spells cause he’s so hard up to win. When he doesn’t touch blue he isn’t anywhere near as good of a player. Facts
Shea could have gotten a little bit more value out of reconnaissance: There is an end-of-combat-step after damage is dealt, where you can use reconnaissance to untap all creatures that have attacked this turn. So recoinnassance grants some kind of pseudo-vigilance. I love this card!
Yeah, busted and so great in any deck that gets in the red zone.
Yeah I was wondering why she didn't untap everything after her first attack with reconnaissance out.
Do The reconnaissance trick Shea!!. You can pull your attackers out of combat after damage is dealt. This is because theres a step after damage called the "end of combat step" and they are still considered attacking in that step. Reconnaissance is essentially vigilance 😂
Great game doh 🎉
Fun game. As it has already been said, Aurelia has vigilance. So she shouldn't have been tapped. On another note; the tokens from the first combat shouldn't have been able to attack during the second combat since they didn't have haste. 🤫
oops, i think CGB got cut off, so his worst possible wasn't there.
oh no! The worst possible intro! XD
Let's go Isshin... after damage and before the combat phase ends you can untap your creatures, so you can have like vigilance.
Also Aurelia, the Warleader has vigilance just on its on, seems redundant but its helpful for Isshin.
Yes to both of these! I was so antsy at these missed things
At 36:24 because of how Reconnaissance is worded you can actually untap Aurelia during the end of combat step, after damage has been dealt!
Seems like they immediately forgot it was there. At 17:00 right after its played CGB discusses blocking but decides not to because it would kill the humans, when the intended purpose of Reconnaissance would let her just remove them from combat safely.
Also wasn't sure on the two humans that came in, they came in tapped and attacking, but that doesn't mean they have haste and can attack regularly during that second combat.
@@justblay2125Yup, no haste. They can't attack during additional combats.
Aurelia also has a neat little vigilance key word on her
Also she's got vigilance.
Always great to see everyone having fun with their decks. And some killer lines said by Blake!
32:07 Alela did not die; she was reanimated via Whip of Erebos, which replaces leaving the battlefield to anywhere except exile to exile. This would not have triggered Ben’s Meathook Massacre.
36:02 The two Human tokens that just entered the battlefield in the first combat phase can’t attack as they do not have haste.
36:28 Aurelia has vigilance so she doesn’t need to be untapped via Reconnaissance. In fact, Shea could have been giving all of her attackers pseudo-vigilance by removing them from combat in the combat damage step or the end of combat step.
41:14 Phasing out Hostage Taker doesn’t stop Ben from stealing The One Ring. HT specifically cares about leaving the battlefield, and phasing out does not mean the object changed zones (CR702.26d).
46:28 Blake could have created near-infinite Squirrels via the Earthcraft/Squirrel Nest combo with his remaining Pegasus token in CGB’s end step. It didn’t matter in the end, but it could have… 😂
Alela did die, CGB sacrificed her to the tower
@@LucasRoth42 As I mentioned, CGB reanimated Alela from the graveyard with Whip of Erebos's activated ability. Here's the relevant text from Whip: If it would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else.
Even though CGB sacrificed Alela with Phyrexian Tower, the Whip's replacement effect moved Alela to exile instead of the graveyard. "Dies" is a shortcut that means "put into a graveyard from the battlefield" (CR700.4).
So Alela did not die (be put into a graveyard from the battlefield) and was exiled instead. Thus Ben's Meathook Massacre would not have triggered.
Nice summary. Somehow I didn't catch the first one! I forgot that Whip of Erebos was a replacement effect.
Can't wait to keep watching Blake's quest to kill Shay with triumph of the hoards / craterhoof.
Shae cannot be killed by the hoof, no matter how hard Blake tries. The hoof recognises the true master.
That was great! I was getting mad at the order of how they went out, then CGB gained a GOOGLE life, THEN!!!!!!!! Blake pulled it out and whipped that big ol thing out on the table and said, “How you like them apples, CGB?!?!”.
If anyone is curious where the fairy from the 16:20 spell went, Alela only gives a fairy for the first spell each turn, not each spell cast on opponent's turns. It'd be awesome if it was the latter but it really makes for interesting gameplay and way of thinking.
CGB should've cast Snap on the previous player's turn, I was wondering why he double-spelled on Shae's turn
@@cliiwenhe drew a card on her turn from rhemora so he could have drawn one of the two cards then
In that case, Snap on her turn and Dismember during next turn's upkeep?@@armoredduck
What an awesome game! I always get so excited seeing an Isshin deck! You had some of my favorite cards in it. Ankle shanker is a favorite! Reconnaissance is amazing as well. Even if it wasn't used to its full potential. Keep it up guys I'm loving your show!!
Just want to say I love the intro music!! very chill play, you guys actually seem like friends lol, I could deff get along with your playgroup!!
Blake should have made 2 Google +2 Angels instead of squirrels due to double tokens and angel enchantment.
That was one of the best games of commander I have ever watched, everyone had a chance. Was cool seeing the politics. Poor Notion Thief murdered so many times in their prime.
I love that CGB is sitting in front of a Gamgenic display, while talking about their sponsor, Ultimate Guard :D
Ah it was first thing I thought so I commented. You beat me to it lol
I mean this in the nicest and most sincere way possible. I enjoy these games so much more when Ben plays interaction.
40:51 Does hostage taker not exile the one ring if it's phased out?? I believe it does and maybe it stays exiled permanently, but i'm not sure.
Actually, if something is "phased out," it's treated as though it doesn't exist.
Thus, Hostage Taker isn't there to put The One Ring under, when it's ETB resolves, so The One Ring never changes control.
This is different than the separate ETB and LTB triggers of Oblivion Ring, for example. Those triggers, like the trigger from Hostage Taker, have to see both the originator of the effect, and the target of the effect, in order to resolve.
@exsnypre: Not true.
First, if something is exiled or destroyed, LTBs will trigger and resolve -- which is why if you cast and resolve Oblivion Ring, the O-Ring's ETB will go on the stack, and wait to resolve if you blink or destroy the O-Ring. When that happens, O-Ring's LTB trigger will go on the stack, _on top of_ the ETB -- thus, the LTB trigger resolves first, giving nothing back, and then the ETB trigger resolves, permanently exiling the original target.
Phasing doesn't trigger ETB or LTB effects.
@@isaiahwelch8066 hostage taker isnt worded like o-ring. wotc changed how o-ring effects are worded so they dont get abused like that anymore. person who you replied to said nothing incorrect.
To answer the question, the relevant rule is 702.26d in the comprehensive rules - "The phasing event doesn't actually cause a permanent to change zones or control, even though it's treated as though it's not on the battlefield and not under its controller's control while it's phased out. Zone-change triggers don't trigger when a permanent phases in or out."
Hostage taker is still considered to be on the battlefield for the purpose of its etb, so The One Ring should be exiled and Ben should be able to cast it as normal.
As far as i know, because the Hostage taker is fased out with the trigger on the stack, the one ring will go to exile, but due to the hability to cast it being in the hostage taker, and not being given to the card in exile, Ben would not be able to play the one ring till the hostage taker phase in.
At 36:00 Shea can’t attack with the tokens during the second combat bc they technically still have summoning sickness even after they enter tapped and attacking.
I just bought the fae dominion precon, did a slight upgrade on it. And mainly using Alela as the commander.
But does her goading last as long as she is in the battlefield? Or it’s only active until the next turn?
Example, player B’s creature A is goaded. Does it gets goaded until the end of his turn only? Or he gets goaded every turn as long as Alela is on the battlefield?
Shea can use Reconnaissance at the end of the combat step to untap all creatures that attacked even after damage :)
Settle the wreckage came to mind right away on Blake's last combat 😄
She said the thing! 😂 4:32 Shae keeping the brand relevant
This game was incredible, you never knew who was going to win until the end!
at 36:37 could she not recoinassance the Aurelia? Isn't there a post-combat combat step? Think I saw it in Game Knights some time ago
Great game! but wouldn't Ben still be able to steal the One ring because Hostage taker is an ETB steal? at 41:25
Interesting question. If it was killed, the "until it leaves the battlefield" wording would mean it won't get exiles at all, but with phase out it never leaves, so the ring should still get exiled.
Love that Ben is wearing a "do you pay the 1" shirt and never pays.
Woo, what I thought would happen last time around a Google of Squirrils came out happened. xD
Personally though, the 1x1 spam is the reason why I keep Ethereal Absolution in my decks. ^^
I love Yenna, being able to copy Enchantments in Selesnya is so silly :p
Google to the Google power of squirrel damage? I think that just broke the new damage cap! Oh plus everything has infect just in case! Hahaha
Card draw? No. I said "CARD DRAW sir."
I said " Good day sir!"
interaction at 6:44 cracked me up lmao
Double Googol isn’t what you want, what you’re looking for instead is a Googol Plex, which is a Googol to the Power of a Googol…if printed out, it’s literally miles long of zeros hehe 😜 😂
It seems that everyone says abaut reconnaissance mistake - sure...
But ther is 2nd problem ;) The Token You create dont have HASTE... so the cannot attack in 2nd combat.... (thye just enter attacking, thats not the same as haste...). It didint metter at all here, still its a big deal for Isshin decks ;)
CGB got cut off, we never saw his commander or worst possible
This was a hecking great episode! Wowow didn’t see how this would turn out to end at all! GGs to everyone of you!
That game had so many wild swing plays.
That... was a game. Wow.
What's up my Wizards
what is shea's sweater it is dope
Such a GREAT game!!!
Huh! That was infinite infinity! So cool game!
Break Voltron with Cascade lol
As I've been really enjoying
Ryan Sinclair and 13th Doctor with every Sword 😂
Love how CGB threatens with hus fish, but was upset when Ben had the fish and killed it. Why dies nobody kill the things CGB has when he goes out of his way to stop it when someone else has it.
Aurelia has vigilance, no goading with that attack from CGB
Every commander game needs a Ben! That font of Mythos play was insane, I love it 😄
JUUUUUDGE. Why would phasing the Hostage Taker save The One Ring? It never left the battlefield, phasing explicitely does not cause a change of zones. So Hostage Taker effect which was already on the stack should resolve and Ben should be able to play The One Ring from exile. What am I missing here?
Episode starts after CGB said who his commander is or what his worst possible is
Can you make and play an Urtet deck and play ?
Aurelia has vigilance!!!!!
Why he didn't kill cjb too?
Pegasus, being a Greek word, does not pluralise to 'Pegasi'. They should be called 'Flappity-Clip-Clop-Dudes'. The more you know.
Earthcraft. What a card.
😢😢 CGB Intro cut out
OH NO intro cutting error you guys did cut cgb intro
Is that CGB…. ON A SHARK?!?
That game was fantabulous. Thank you for the entertainment.
45:40 doesn't the one ring kill him here?
You should do an episode called "The Worst Possible Clip Show." All of you "play a game" where each play reminds you of a spicy play from an earlier episode and show the clip of it happening. I love the increasing lore of your games, and I think it would be fun to revisit the moments that get referenced.
CGB you did something wrong ONLY ONE TRIGGER for ALELA in the same turn not 2
best one yet ... cgb stilll smells like cheese
So CGB said he set his life total to a googol plus 24, and then Blake said he would create double the amount of squirrels, then played Horde and Hoof......anyone care to try and work out the total amount of damage that went CGB's way???? I don't think I have ever seen that amount of damage dealt in a game before, it may as well be infinite!!
I can only estimate, but each squirrel dealt 2x (googol plus 24)plus 1 from triumph, plus one from being 1/1. He dealt at least a googolplex (googol to the power of googol) of damage .
Aurelia have vigilance!
You would think that as much as CGB spanks these guys, they would stop making deals with him and letting him draw tons of cards.
Let's go, nuts.
Cgb you already had goaded Ben’s commander and Shea’s garrison and she attacked you with the creature and you re-goaded it. Alela goads those creatures permanently not just for that turn
Goad wears off at the beginning of your next turn after you goaded
The reminder text says:
Goad (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
That’s why Jon Irenicus (for example) says “its goaded for the rest of the game”
CGB sitting there saying other people being unfair..
bens deckbuilding is DA BEST lmao! font of mythos had me ROLLING
Feels like a troll card but it was dangerous with the Sheoldred out!
Sup all of you Sum Bishes ?
Aurelia has vigilance by the way
Best episode to date
Im not sure why Blake P2E Ben's commander. I know it was 5 damage but there was a SHEOLDRED on the board. Like that hurts everyone including him every time they draw a card. Maybe he was trying to keep Ben in check. I dunno.I wouldve gotten that Sheoldred off the board asap. If he was trying to keep Ben in check why did he Beast Within the Notion Thief with the Sheoldred STILL on the board? I honestly just dont think thats good threat assessment. Someone make it make sense.
Cbg you didn't say what you're playing!
Sponsored by Ultimate Guard with GameGenic supplies plastered behind CGB. Still love the show though just thought that was funny.
Gg
CGB is that nerd in HS who was never noticed so now he has to play blue in every deck and all the free counter spells cause he’s so hard up to win. When he doesn’t touch blue he isn’t anywhere near as good of a player. Facts
You’re salty and he didn’t even win. Rage more incel 😂😂😂
CGB is never fun to play with. His decks are only fun for him.
Judge?!
path to exile
twice???
19:13
37:02
He brought back the Path to Exile from his graveyard.
erster
Intro fail.