In this video, we make a toolmakers vice using just about every machine in the workshop - one for the swarf (chip) addicts! Channel artwork: Ryan Toomey
Thanks for spending the time to produce this beautiful piece of work. It really drives home the value of having a Surface Grinder and Shaper Cutter in the workshop. Cheers.
Nice vice & grinding job . You could have made 3 episodes from that one ! I have the material sitting outside my door for my one , a Cat D10 Bulldozer ripper shank . Have to fix the power hacksaw first , so i can chop the bugger up ! Cheers 👍
Hi Max, thanks for the feedback. You are not wrong. I was playing around with a different format, great for the armchair viewer but missing quite a bit of detail for the home workshop viewers. Also, and I know you will understand this, compressing nearly 2hrs of footage into 30 mins not losing continuity is a right pain in the rear!!! Lesson learnt. Cheers mate.
Great to hang out for a while with you in the shop. As I get stronger and filling more human, I am enjoying my shop a little more each day. The machinist vise that was in my last lot of tool acquired in July, had a machinist vise. Has no makers mark, but well built. Would been nice to have known the machinist that used the tools, but sure he's looking down and glad they went to a good home! Cheers, and my you tip a Genesis to a vise well made and another useful tool in the shop, Bear.
Hi, thanks for the comment and feedback, yes, I think you are right on this. I got carried away with the concept of trying a different video format for this one, whilst it has been popular, it definitely misses my usual commentary. Will keep trying different things going forwards.
Gday Jon, what a massive improvement on the mill, now you can take some decent cuts, the vice turned out really nice and the grind job just tops it off nicely, brilliant job mate, cheers
Excellent build Jon, apprenticeship completed 👏, lol. I made one very similar 30 plus years ago, was contracting in a tool room, that due to be closed down, so plenty of "Foreigners " on the go ( Homers or Government jobs). I went a bit bigger, there was a nice chunk of 4" (102mm) square B01, and it just fitted in the muffle. Thanks for sharing
Hi Graedon, thanks for the feedback, there was a lot of calculating required for the grinding allowances etc, but the machining was pretty straightforward. 👍
Well done Jon ! Very nice build. And base material supplied by Ian...all the better. That orange F style clamp is interesting, I don't think I've seen one like it here in the states.. Cheers....ATB.....
Hi Dean, thanks for the comment and feedback. The clamp is a Carver Clamp, very high quality, UK made ( I think, they certainly used to be anyway). Designed primarily for welders but with a quick fettle of the faces, are very useful for a machine shop. Had them at my very first workplace during my apprenticeship.
Nice work Jon. Same design as my very old and very clapped out machinists vise I use for milling on the lathe. The one thing I would add or look for in another one is a slotted recess on each side to allow clamping down. Some do have this and I think it's a good/better idea. I also liked the orange G clamp you used at 23.15 on the surface grinder. I'd not seen that type before. Very interesting design. Cheers Rob
He has a whore restoration video on that clamp. In addition to your suggestions, it wasn't clear if he relieved the moving jaw to be able to move it freely when it is laid on its side. All of my precision JAM vises are relieved that way and it is quite handy.
Hi Rob, thanks for the feedback mate, I may well put some slots in, being a soft body will be no issue, great idea. The clamp is a Carver Clamp, absolutely top quality gear, keep your eyes peeled for one on the 2nd hand market. New will set you back over 200 AUD.
Hi Dudley, lol, almost!!!!! The most difficult part of it usually happened when I entered the workshop, the rest of the time it was a very well behaved project 😂😂😂😂
Hi Jon, what a fantastic project! Really enjoyed this video! Great to see all the machinery in use, I really love that shaper! Take care Jon, regards Tony.
Hi Tony, thanks for the comment and feedback mate, much appreciated. The shaper is a gem!!!!! Many thought I was barking painting it orange, it works👍👍👍
Nice job Jon! It looks great. That's a nice bit of steel, certainly not crapy mild steel. The finish you have produced on the surface grinder looks superb!
Morning Jon. Such an interesting way to spend a Sunday morning, especially as you used many of your machines. The resultant vice looks very nice indeed. Thank you very much for taking us along with you. 👏👏👍😀
Oh Jon All that swarf mess to clear up🤣🤣👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 Great job, especially being Ground, i don't have that luxury, unless i get the angle grinder out🤣🤣, much better than buying one. see you next time atb Kev
What ho Mr F, I must try to remember to leave you my S G in my will, mind you the transport wouldn't be covered, so if you really want one buying local would be cheaper😉
@@chrisstephens6673 oh you little tease Chris, don't use Waxoyl use Lanoguard👍👍easier to apply😉😉 Don't go in to Hibernation too soon still waiting for that video you promised when coming out of last hibernation👍👍👍👍
I haven't run or seen a shaper since 1981. Glad to see someone using one. I always thought they were a great machine and can really hog of material when needed, but can also do fine work A really nice build on the vise. I made a vise very similar to that in trade school. It was sent out for heat treat with other projects and never came back.
Jon, the thing about taking a raw piece of steel and producing a thing that is accurate - useful - and beautiful , we take it for granted but it’s a bit like magic lol 🤗👍
Nice one Jon! You are so lucky to have a plane grinding machine! I´m on a new job buddy, I´m at a firm that helps youg people back to school in a orientation course. I just made a license to teach herefor. Hope it´ll be my last educaton 😂😂 I have a small mill and turning machine and a band saw. I´ll do a basic course with the students soon. Good luck to you!
Very nice job on the vice Jon. I think Rob's idea milling slots on each side of the base so it can be clamped down is worth considering. I bought a toolmakers vice used some years ago, which I wish had these. The vice is hardened so I can't do this. Great video Jon. Thanks for sharing. Cheers Nobby
Good to see some more machining work. 😀 I made a very similar vice, also fully ground when I was a 1st year engineering trainee 40+ years ago, if I recall correctly it was my second machining project after toolmakers clamps and before a height gauge, both were very similar to commercial designs from Moore & Wright / Starrett. I’ve still got all of them, and in my perpetual scrap bin, the chain drilled offcut from the vice.
Hi, welcome to the channel, I have done a whole series on the refurbishment of that machine. I hope you find the content interesting and informative. Cheers, Jon
Hey in the USA almost all the surface grinders spin the other direction! I really is sorta disconcerting seeing all the set ups backwards. great video!
Nice job, but, TBH, I would have liked to see more of the machining, this could have been a nice 2 part series. As the saying goes, I like to see the sausage being made, not just told how it was made.
Perfect example of I could buy one from China cheaper, but if I don’t, China doesn’t win! People need to learn to support their own country before they start importing garbage. Love your videos!
Disappointed you cut that last tricky grind. A missed opportunity to show us something we've not seen before. I get the impression that it didn't go perfectly, but that's just the sort of thing that is most helpful to us. To see how to adapt and recover from the unexpected.
Hi, thanks for the comment. I show all my mistakes, always have and always will, I am only doing this whole RUclips thing to pass on my knowledge and experience. On this occasion, I made the call not to film based on safety alone. I have not ground with the side of a wheel for over 30 years, it is a very dangerous thing to do with high risk of wheel burst. I did not want to have my physical space compromised by a tripod, and my attention compromised by worrying about filming. I also don't really want to encourage side wheel grinding due to the risks etc. I totally agree with you that it would have been good to see though. The operation went ok, although it took a couple of additional wheel dresses and there was some vibration which was not pleasant. Hope this helps explain a bit why I decided not to film this time round. Cheers, Jon
That came out really good Jon, well done. Its good to see the shaper making a tool. I saw in the video that the shaper table/block was moving a bit when on the cutting stroke. Im not sure how muck, but is it an issue?
Hi Richard, yes, 3 phase through an inverter. Way back in my videos you will see the game I had trying to get the original motor to work with my static phase converter and failing. I purchased a new 3 phase motor and adapted the machine etc. 👍🏴
Screwless vise? What is that? [Edit: I have 5 of these vises, that certainly use screws to clamp, so I was confused. We call them tightening type (チ締めタイプ) or wrench clamping vises here, which is at least a more accurate description.]
You know if you just typed "screwless vise" into google you would have spent less time at the keyboard, and got your answer immediately. Why do you expect to be spoon fed everything?
Hi Frank, thanks for the comment. This was a first for me playing with a different video format, many of my earlier videos I got criticism for going into too much detail and not enough machining. I guess it all backs up the old adage that you can't please all of the people all of the time! 👍
Hi, thanks for the feedback. Yes, as I have replied in a few other comments, I was playing around here with a new video format meaning I was brutal with the editing etc. Also, the last bit, I decided not to film just based on safety, side wheeling is very dangerous and I haven't done it for over 30 years, I didn't want the tripod in the way in case I needed to act quickly, also didn't want the distraction of filming, needed all my concentration keeping my backside firmly together. Your points are very valid though, noted.👍👍
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Thanks for spending the time to produce this beautiful piece of work. It really drives home the value of having a Surface Grinder and Shaper Cutter in the workshop. Cheers.
This was one of the most accurate builds that I have come across so far. I do enjoy seeing others work their craft well..
This swarf junkie, liked this video, thanks for making it.
Really enjoyed watching this. Youve got some beautiful old machines.
Beautiful Results! Can't wait to see it used in service. 👍👍😎👍👍
Nice vice & grinding job . You could have made 3 episodes from that one ! I have the material sitting outside my door for my one , a Cat D10 Bulldozer ripper shank . Have to fix the power hacksaw first , so i can chop the bugger up ! Cheers 👍
Hi Max, thanks for the feedback. You are not wrong. I was playing around with a different format, great for the armchair viewer but missing quite a bit of detail for the home workshop viewers. Also, and I know you will understand this, compressing nearly 2hrs of footage into 30 mins not losing continuity is a right pain in the rear!!! Lesson learnt. Cheers mate.
Great to hang out for a while with you in the shop. As I get stronger and filling more human, I am enjoying my shop a little more each day. The machinist vise that was in my last lot of tool acquired in July, had a machinist vise. Has no makers mark, but well built. Would been nice to have known the machinist that used the tools, but sure he's looking down and glad they went to a good home! Cheers, and my you tip a Genesis to a vise well made and another useful tool in the shop, Bear.
Jon, Twas a pleasure to see something useful made from some scrap off cuts ( plenty more where that come from ) thanks for the shout.
Really nice job Jon. I'd have happily watched you make it over 5 episodes with no detail omitted 👍 🇬🇧
Hi, thanks for the comment and feedback, yes, I think you are right on this. I got carried away with the concept of trying a different video format for this one, whilst it has been popular, it definitely misses my usual commentary. Will keep trying different things going forwards.
Terrific result and a really enjoyable video. 👍👍
Thanks Jon, enjoyed it very much!
Glad you enjoyed it
'Left a bit out', you're not kidding, feel like I've been mugged! 😂
Hi Jon great video and project turned out really good thanks and Hooroo Paul in AUSTRALIA 👍🍻
Thanks for the feedback Paul, much appreciated ☺️👍
Gday Jon, what a massive improvement on the mill, now you can take some decent cuts, the vice turned out really nice and the grind job just tops it off nicely, brilliant job mate, cheers
Hi Matty, thanks mate, much appreciated. Hope you are doing ok mate. The mill is night and day now.
Excellent build Jon, apprenticeship completed 👏, lol.
I made one very similar 30 plus years ago, was contracting in a tool room, that due to be closed down, so plenty of "Foreigners " on the go ( Homers or Government jobs). I went a bit bigger, there was a nice chunk of 4" (102mm) square B01, and it just fitted in the muffle.
Thanks for sharing
Well done Jon. Thanks
Thanks Terry 👍
Looks like fun to build. Maybe I should make one myself one day.
Thanks Rusti, I thoroughly enjoyed this one, and it will be very useful in the future for sure 😀
you made that seem so easy!! too hard for me to get right (lol) cheers mate!👍👍👍
Hi Graedon, thanks for the feedback, there was a lot of calculating required for the grinding allowances etc, but the machining was pretty straightforward. 👍
Very nice job, Jon. I like the threaded brass bush idea. Your orange shaper really has a visual impact when it's alive. Cheers Tony
Thanks Tony, yep, I love running that thing!!!! Cheers mate. Jon
Well done Jon ! Very nice build. And base material supplied by Ian...all the better. That orange F style clamp is interesting, I don't think I've seen one like it here in the states..
Cheers....ATB.....
Hi Dean, thanks for the comment and feedback. The clamp is a Carver Clamp, very high quality, UK made ( I think, they certainly used to be anyway). Designed primarily for welders but with a quick fettle of the faces, are very useful for a machine shop. Had them at my very first workplace during my apprenticeship.
Nice work Jon. Same design as my very old and very clapped out machinists vise I use for milling on the lathe. The one thing I would add or look for in another one is a slotted recess on each side to allow clamping down. Some do have this and I think it's a good/better idea. I also liked the orange G clamp you used at 23.15 on the surface grinder. I'd not seen that type before. Very interesting design. Cheers Rob
He has a whore restoration video on that clamp. In addition to your suggestions, it wasn't clear if he relieved the moving jaw to be able to move it freely when it is laid on its side. All of my precision JAM vises are relieved that way and it is quite handy.
@@TheBakafish My old vise is not relieved on the jaws, and yes that is a good idea.
Hi Rob, thanks for the feedback mate, I may well put some slots in, being a soft body will be no issue, great idea. The clamp is a Carver Clamp, absolutely top quality gear, keep your eyes peeled for one on the 2nd hand market. New will set you back over 200 AUD.
@@TheBakafish Hi, yes, I ground the moving jaw 0.25mm per side narrower than the vice body. Cheers, Jon
Nice work Jon. I guess one that size will come in handy for a lot of jobs.
Steve.
Hi Steve, thanks for the comment, yes, I am sure it will get me out of some tight spots on future setups etc.
Very nicely finished off project Jon, I especially like your orange clamp
Ditto on the orange clamp...
Thanks Mark, much appreciated 👍
You made that look almost easy. Thanks Jon 👍
Hi Dudley, lol, almost!!!!! The most difficult part of it usually happened when I entered the workshop, the rest of the time it was a very well behaved project 😂😂😂😂
Nice vice Jon, enjoyed the build, cheers!
Hi Howder1951, thanks for the comment and feedback, much appreciated.
👍nice work!
Well done Jon!🙂
Thanks Gary
Beautiful job Jon!😊
Thank you! 😊
Hi Jon, what a fantastic project! Really enjoyed this video!
Great to see all the machinery in use, I really love that shaper!
Take care Jon, regards Tony.
Hi Tony, thanks for the comment and feedback mate, much appreciated. The shaper is a gem!!!!! Many thought I was barking painting it orange, it works👍👍👍
@@jonsworkshop haha, I was one that so wanted it orange! Yep it really does work! 👍😀
Nice job Jon! It looks great. That's a nice bit of steel, certainly not crapy mild steel. The finish you have produced on the surface grinder looks superb!
Hi Samrodian, thanks for the comment and feedback. Thoroughly enjoyed making this, took me back to my early career
Nice little vise, and good to see the new surface grinder making sparks 'in anger'. Thanks for sharing.
Morning Jon. Such an interesting way to spend a Sunday morning, especially as you used many of your machines. The resultant vice looks very nice indeed. Thank you very much for taking us along with you. 👏👏👍😀
Hi Andrew, thanks for the comment and feedback, much appreciated. Glad you enjoyed it.
Very nice vice Jon, much better to make your own. Turned out fantastic 🎉
Thanks Russell, much appreciated. Cheers, Jon
Nice work.
Very nice. 👍
Oh Jon
All that swarf mess to clear up🤣🤣👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 Great job, especially being Ground, i don't have that luxury, unless i get the angle grinder out🤣🤣, much better than buying one.
see you next time
atb
Kev
What ho Mr F, I must try to remember to leave you my S G in my will, mind you the transport wouldn't be covered, so if you really want one buying local would be cheaper😉
@@chrisstephens6673 eyup Chris
Is that a Cast Iron pledge😉😉👍👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MrFactotum if I'm not careful it might be a ferrous oxide pledge, must check its covered in waxoyl or similar before winter fully sets in. 🤫
@@chrisstephens6673 oh you little tease Chris, don't use Waxoyl use Lanoguard👍👍easier to apply😉😉 Don't go in to Hibernation too soon still waiting for that video you promised when coming out of last hibernation👍👍👍👍
Thanks Kev, well at least you know someone who has got a surface grinder for when you do need something shiny👍😉
I haven't run or seen a shaper since 1981. Glad to see someone using one. I always thought they were a great machine and can really hog of material when needed, but can also do fine work
A really nice build on the vise. I made a vise very similar to that in trade school. It was sent out for heat treat with other projects and never came back.
Jon, the thing about taking a raw piece of steel and producing a thing that is accurate - useful - and beautiful , we take it for granted but it’s a bit like magic lol 🤗👍
Hi Terry, thanks for the comment. You are bang on, it's a great feeling isn't it. Mustn't take it for granted though, good point and good reminder 😉
Nice one Jon! You are so lucky to have a plane grinding machine! I´m on a new job buddy, I´m at a firm that helps youg people back to school in a orientation course. I just made a license to teach herefor. Hope it´ll be my last educaton 😂😂 I have a small mill and turning machine and a band saw. I´ll do a basic course with the students soon. Good luck to you!
Sorry for the late reply Mathias, hope the new job is going well
Very nice job on the vice Jon. I think Rob's idea milling slots on each side of the base so it can be clamped down is worth considering. I bought a toolmakers vice used some years ago, which I wish had these. The vice is hardened so I can't do this. Great video Jon. Thanks for sharing. Cheers Nobby
Hi Nobby, thanks for the comment. I may put the slots in at some point (the benefit of a soft body). Good Idea 💡👍
Wouldn't carbide just happily mill that slot for you?
@@olieboer I guess it would. The material is very hard though. Not sure I want to take the chance and damage the vice. Cheers Nobby
Nicely done Jon 👍👍
Thanks Steve 😁
Nice work Jon
Thanks Phil, appreciated 👍
Good to see some more machining work. 😀 I made a very similar vice, also fully ground when I was a 1st year engineering trainee 40+ years ago, if I recall correctly it was my second machining project after toolmakers clamps and before a height gauge, both were very similar to commercial designs from Moore & Wright / Starrett. I’ve still got all of them, and in my perpetual scrap bin, the chain drilled offcut from the vice.
good video Jon
I'm new. First vid. Love your shaper😊 gonna check your back catalogue. Cheers.
Hi, welcome to the channel, I have done a whole series on the refurbishment of that machine. I hope you find the content interesting and informative. Cheers, Jon
@@jonsworkshop thanks. I ve just watched your angle set up piece. I've never seen it before. I knew about sine bars and the needing 3 hands. 👍😁
Hey in the USA almost all the surface grinders spin the other direction! I really is sorta disconcerting seeing all the set ups backwards. great video!
Hi Chris, thanks for the comment. Same here in the UK, I learnt on J&S 540 machines that also spin clockwise, it takes a bit of getting used to 👍
Good job mate
Thanks Trev👍👍👍.
Well done. Like many, I would have watched the entire build.
Great little vice will be very handy. first vid of yours in my recommended glad i watched it. like and sub from me, Keep up the good work.
Nice job, but, TBH, I would have liked to see more of the machining, this could have been a nice 2 part series. As the saying goes, I like to see the sausage being made, not just told how it was made.
Perfect example of I could buy one from China cheaper, but if I don’t, China doesn’t win! People need to learn to support their own country before they start importing garbage. Love your videos!
Disappointed you cut that last tricky grind. A missed opportunity to show us something we've not seen before. I get the impression that it didn't go perfectly, but that's just the sort of thing that is most helpful to us. To see how to adapt and recover from the unexpected.
agreed!
Hi, thanks for the comment. I show all my mistakes, always have and always will, I am only doing this whole RUclips thing to pass on my knowledge and experience. On this occasion, I made the call not to film based on safety alone. I have not ground with the side of a wheel for over 30 years, it is a very dangerous thing to do with high risk of wheel burst. I did not want to have my physical space compromised by a tripod, and my attention compromised by worrying about filming. I also don't really want to encourage side wheel grinding due to the risks etc. I totally agree with you that it would have been good to see though. The operation went ok, although it took a couple of additional wheel dresses and there was some vibration which was not pleasant. Hope this helps explain a bit why I decided not to film this time round. Cheers, Jon
@@jonsworkshop That's totally understandable, but it wasn't communicated very well on the video. Safety first.
That came out really good Jon, well done. Its good to see the shaper making a tool. I saw in the video that the shaper table/block was moving a bit when on the cutting stroke. Im not sure how muck, but is it an issue?
Nice one Jon. Satisfiying making your own gear. Are you going to put coolant on your grinder?
Thanks for sharing 👍 You need to put your name or initials on your vise.
Thanks Craig, the only machine in the shop I didn't use lol. I may add this at a later point, will chuck into a blether video if so. 👍
I like that surface grinder. Is it 3 phase? If so, are you using an inverter. But it does a lovely job, I should get one. Cheers
Hi Richard, yes, 3 phase through an inverter. Way back in my videos you will see the game I had trying to get the original motor to work with my static phase converter and failing. I purchased a new 3 phase motor and adapted the machine etc. 👍🏴
@@jonsworkshop Yes ill probably get one. Cheers Jon
Screwless vise? What is that? [Edit: I have 5 of these vises, that certainly use screws to clamp, so I was confused. We call them tightening type (チ締めタイプ) or wrench clamping vises here, which is at least a more accurate description.]
You know if you just typed "screwless vise" into google you would have spent less time at the keyboard, and got your answer immediately. Why do you expect to be spoon fed everything?
@@philmenzies2477 And miss out on your spoon feeding me? No thanks! LOL, what a stupid name for a vise with a screw.
Nice job with the end result. I can see why you dont do to many videos of you making something. You seem to skip over a lot of stuff.
Hi Frank, thanks for the comment. This was a first for me playing with a different video format, many of my earlier videos I got criticism for going into too much detail and not enough machining. I guess it all backs up the old adage that you can't please all of the people all of the time! 👍
Very nice. Please show the "twitchy" parts when you can. Longer video is okay with us.
Hi, thanks for the feedback. Yes, as I have replied in a few other comments, I was playing around here with a new video format meaning I was brutal with the editing etc. Also, the last bit, I decided not to film just based on safety, side wheeling is very dangerous and I haven't done it for over 30 years, I didn't want the tripod in the way in case I needed to act quickly, also didn't want the distraction of filming, needed all my concentration keeping my backside firmly together. Your points are very valid though, noted.👍👍
Why not just buy a new one? Because this build quality is unavailable on the market 😉
Hi, thanks for the comment, you are right. 👍👍👍👍👍