A Grant Gustin cameo would have been way better than using cgi to make offputting recreations of dead actors. Better yet, they should have just made him the other universe’s Flash instead of having 2 Ezra Millers.
TV Flash and Arrow did the heavy lifting for DC for a decade. Absolutely a slap in the face to leave them out of the movie. They should have ended the show at 100 episodes and done the movies with the TV cast.
TBF Smallville was there before Superman Returns but Tom was never really considered for the role nor was Rosenbaum. However, Synder Verse used a lot of actors who made appearances on Smallville as roles in his DCEU. I think a lot has to do with casting director as much as the studio themselves.
Whether the cast was hurt or not, it was disrespectful. Agents of Shield gets the same treatment in Marvel. They even carefully wrote their scripts to fill in missing subplots for the MCU. Right up until the end, even tho I don't think they meant to in the final season, they laid the groundwork for the Multiverse.
Why would they feel hurt tho everyone knows with dc the shows are separate from the movies. Now marvel fkn over agents that I agree with cause clearly Disney intended most the stuff they are doing to connect with each other but I don’t see why anyone should be hurt over at Warner bros cause they are completely separate thing the shows and movies. Clearly now that James Gunn is in charge he seems to wanna do what Disneys been doing and connect everything together.
@ChrisGonzalez-z1g cause they did a multiverse plot and ignored the existing multiverse. I also think there was some stuff said behind the scenes that we haven't specifically heard. There's an air of superiority from movie people over television people in the industry. Disney is only more recently part of the AoS problem. That one is all Marvel Studios. Disney only came into the picture as AoS was wrapping up.
@@Lordoftheapes79 yes they did the multiverse thing but even in the comic adaptation he’s stuck in one universe he isn’t skipping around universes throughout the whole story. Plus they already had Ezra talk with grant in the crisis event did they really need to do anything more even if the flash show characters ended up in the movie it would have been for less then a minute like all the other universes that had a cameo. Plus aos hasn’t been the only thing ignored. The inhumans mine as well just be forgotten except for black bolts cameo in dr strange and the Netflix shows were ignored for a long time to till recently now they are bringing back because everything else has been sucking and those shows are actually good.
Yes, Agents of Shield did so much to add to the world of the MCU. I only watched until Season 4, but it really did a better job filling in the gaps of the MCU than the Disney+ shows.
If you asked me, they dodged a bullet. I liked The Flash movie, but if I was an actor I wouldn't want to be associated with it. The worst part was when they had some guy that looked like Teddy Sears' Jay Garrick, but wasn't him at all. What was that even supposed to be? They could've easily had TV clips from 90s Flash and Grant Gustin Flash.
I don't know, I disliked the movie but I can definitely see an amazing Supergirl in Sasha's performance. If I was her I'd be proud of my work in the movie, even if it was killed by bad CGI-Writing and awful casting for Barry.
@@generalilbis They have said that it was just a random stunt double on set, and not supposed to be Teddy Sears. But I have a feeling that it was actually supposed to be Teddy Sears but they just weren't aware of the fake Jay Garrick/Zoom twist in the show and they realised it too late and then had to come up with a BS excuse to save face, like the "it looks bad on purpose" comment. This honestly wouldn't surprise me considering how barely stitched together the whole movie feels like.
At least we got the funny scene where Ezra Miller made a cameo appearance as the Flash on the CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover event, where he met Grant Gustin's The Flash from the Arrowverse.
@@aymaanrashid2033I think it was apart of their plan in 2019, remember Barry mentioned Victor, but that was when Cyborg actually was supposed to be in The Flash, and so was Grant but they kept changing shit. Like there was no Supergirl, then she replaced Superman, then there’s an ending with both of them and Michael Keaton but James Gunn had the idea to bring in Clooney? I wouldn’t be surprised if James Gunn pushed for the George Reeves and Christopher Reeve cgi cameos.
Well, The Flash movie flopped hard anyway and Ezra Miller won't be remembered. So If you ask me, TV Flash at least established certain loyal fanbase and it's definitely a show a lot of people grew up with. At the end, TV Flash won. 💁♂️
@@kidrobot. Not for the right reasons though. Ezra made more buzz with his controversial behavior than he did with his acting chops. About the Justice League... well to each their own, I suppose. I wouldn't call it a superhero masterpiece just because it took 4 hours to tell a story. Cinematography is beautiful, I'll give it that. The story was mid and the added content wasn't really crucial or gamechanging.
@@kidrobot. People will rather talk about Gunn's future DCU than any shit of DCEU for past 10 years. If people want to talk about it, it's all about Ezra Miller's problems and those horrible CG
The Crisis Crossover was not done great in my opinion. It was 50/50 to me. I left all CW shows after that. I saw the writing on the wall and left before they completely destroyed the Arrowverse
That's one of the things I like about James Gunn's approach of the DCU. All the actors will be the same whether they are animated, in film, or series. (Frank Grillo for example is in 'Creature Commandos', 'Peacemaker S2, and the 'Superman' film)
@@ChrisGonzalez-z1g Mostly, James Gunn has said there will be Elseworlds films like Joker or The Batman that won't connect to the DCU, but he wants the DCU to have consistency with the stories between media (Film, TV, Video Games, etc.). The Elseworlds projects are supposed to have different branding and marketing so you'll know what movie or TV show is and isn't a part of the interconnected DCU.
But the flash movie was a multiverse movie and they decided to ignore the only other version of the flash but show all the supermans and batmans to ever exist. Why couldn’t they have included a scene along with all the other cgi weirdness they showed?
Erza Miller did cameo on The Flash suggesting the DCEU movies are connected to the Arrowverse via Multiverse stuff. Obviously movies need to be sold to worldwide audiences that aren’t going to be up to date on US/Canadian TV
Which falls apart a bit having Michael Keaton and George Clooney in there. They only work knowing they were both Batman. Even the huge multiverse reveal requires general knowledge of all the DC live action library. But they didn't even need Grant playing CW Flash. He could have just been Flashpoint Flash.
@ Nah. Expecting general movie audiences to be familiar with other movies is different from expecting them to be familiar with TV shows, not that I think you couldn’t have cameoed Grant Gustin in a way that didn’t demand the audience to know about a CW show from 2014 to “get it”
The Arrowverse's "Crisis on Infinite Earth's" did the same thing with leaving out the actors from Superboy 1988 (John Haymes Newton and Gerard Christopher).
The main reason we don't often see multiple live action versions of the same character played by the same actor is because it's much easier to distinguish which version of the character it is depending on which actor it is, the same was you see animated versions of these characters looking different between various films and series
I think given the movie Flash cameoed in the Flash TV show, it would have been only fair for the TV Flash to cameo in the Flash movie, especially since both deal in multiverses. Also there's a typo in the thumbnail.
I really enjoyed the Flash movie and Miller's performance. I also didn't have a _problem_ with them showing some CG versions of other universes, but that should not have come at the expense of cameos that were actually relevant. As much as I'm a Superman fan, those CG scenes should have been sacrificed for Gustin to appear. His and Miller's Flashes already meet in Gustin's show, and Gustin's Flash is canonically the person who gives Miller's Barry the idea for the name.
What I always resented about The Flash show was the effect it had on Arrow. After its success the producers took “The Flash formula” and applied it to Arrow I believe after season 3. It became a little more light in tone and they incorporated their own “Team Flash.” Which for me tainted the essence and quality of Arrow.
There was so many missteps in that film from the CGI cameos to just writing, i'd just leave the multiverse stuff outta it then do what they did with the Reeves stuff. I would have loved a Gustin cameo or something to that effect cause Grant Gustin felt like THE Flash, akin to something like Keaton or Reeves or even Tobey/Andrew as Spider-Man. I never ever bought Miller as Flash even in his own film and that film did everything to make me hate him on screen.
A Flash Movie with The Flash show cast with that movies budget would’ve been better than the one we got. Just imagine Grant gustin and Tom cavanagh with season 1 kind of script of the movie on budget of 200 million
John Wesley Shipp & Grant Gustin definitely should've appeared in The Flash movie especially Gustin since he & Ezra had that moment were their Barry's crossed paths in the Crisis CW crossover.
Why did they allow to put Ezra Miller in the tv show but not put grant in the movie. Seeing grant is what people wanted. If possible the entire cast of cw flash would have been fire
They let Ezra Miller cameo as The Flash in Crisis On Infinite Earths Part 3 if I'm not mistaken. The least they could've done was repay the favor by putting Grant Gustin as The Flash as a cameo in Ezra's Flash movie
I don’t remember what it was but the studio used the Flash TV show to promote something movie related and Stephen Amell ripped them apart in the media for it.
We did see Ezra Millers Flash turn up on the TV show. But it was a shame they didn't give the nod to the TV show in the film. They may have been saving it for the now cancelled sequels. I heard the sequel would have been more about the Multiverse
The cameos really suffered mainly due to Andy muechettis nostalgia on older dc projects, hence the dead cgi actors. Andy was given a lot of freedom on cameos from what I heard I believe he had plenty of opportunity to put Grant but just didn’t to fit his own nostalgia of his favorite dc characters.
The Arrowverse was like the step child who got whatever was left over like hey we are using this this and this in our movies so off limits even on Arrow they weren't allowed to even mention Batman or Bruce Wayne really untill it was like ok you can mention him
They're doing it again with the new Superman movie. They making sure to end the Superman and Lois show soon because they don't want confusion or competition between the two continuities (I could be wrong). Tyler Hoechlin's Superman is the best since Reeves and they're canceling a great Superman Show just for the sake of shutting down competition with James Gunn's Superman.
I really wouldn't mourn being left out of the Flash movie because it was the worst DCU film. How anyone involved in the production didn't call out executives for picking Ezra Miller is a total mystery to me.
@@Ahzpayne We pretending the first Suicide Squad, the theatrical cut of Justice League, and Wonder Woman ‘84 doesn’t exist? Blue Beetle was just average (should have just faithfully adapted the excellent 2000’s Jaime Reyes comic run, hopefully the planned Blue Beetle animated series will do so) and the Black Adam movie at least was good during the scenes that were focused on the JSA (Johnson wasn’t bad as Black Adam, the problem is his story with that kid was just an inferior retread of the T-800 and John Connor from T2).
What bugged me about The Flash movie was that Ezra Miller made a cameo in The Flash TV show so when I was watching the movie, I was waiting for the tie in and there wasn't. It almost felt like a slap in the face to the TV series.
I think I just heard the star say that she hasn’t even seen The Flash film? So maybe if she watched it, she may not feel so bad because it is completely different “take” on the story, separate from the series. Kind of like how the Lynda Carter WW tv series is separate from the Gal Gadot WW films. She needs to understand this.
Tbh it's a good thing that show Flash and movie Flash was kept separate. The movie was bad and the actor did some heinous things. The film shouldn't have been released
Katee I would rather see Gustin's Flash than Miller's version because Grant performed as Flash long before Ezra did in the 1st movie. I wish that somehow and some way that Ryan Reynolds put Grant and Danielle's characters as cameos in Deadpool and Wolverine even their characters are DC property. Hell, Ryan put Henry Cavill aka Superman as Cavillrine, one Wolverine Variant. But DC would have cried foul....... Hell, TV's Flash and Arrow series did a great job with tight budgets compared to movies' Spiderman: No Way Home did an excellent job adding both Tobey & Andrews' Spiderman crossover into Tom's Spiderman's Universe.
I've loved Danielle ever since Sky High, and Grant Gustin is an amazing flash - they could have had a brilliant movie - Ezra Miller is a humanistic train wreck, at some point "it's just business" isn't a good excuse, why can't they make something entertaining with high moral values at the same time? How do they know that wouldn't make more money? Do the right thing first and the success will follow
100% Ezra Miller was a terrible Flash who absolutely ruined the movie. Grant would have been WAY better as a movie Flash, Ezra just could not nail the role, he's not a good enough actor.
lol Ezra was fine. If it wasn’t for all his arrest issues and basically the audience being told that all justice league actors were being replaced that movie would have made bank.
The Flash movie should be Ezra, Grant Gustin and John Wesley Shipp together joining forces with Michael Keaton Batman to save their Superman (it could be Tom Welling or Dean Cain) and use him to stop the war between Atlantis and Themyscira, like in the comics. All orchestrated by Reverse Flash, played by Tom Cavaugh.
I'm still yet on the fence about watching the movie, so far I've only saw cameos of other movies ect, it's because of Ezra miller, originally they wanted to cut him out of the movie completely, recast, I get that that would have coat alot, but theres 2 versions of Ezra millers ,, seems awkward wrong to watch, I really think they should at least fit grant gustin in as the 2nd flash, that would definitely have me to see it,, atm in still on the fence,
I was disappointed too grant gustin is the one made me love the flash vlbarry Allen’s character after the fame and recognition he brought to the character how could they not just do a cameo for him that is so disrespectful not just for the flash tv show cast but for the audience who this character too
i thought she felt left out because she was not invited to be part of the movie. oh well. nothing to worry about. ever since the series flash. i recognize the series being the legit show. even the movie flash need you guys to promote him. you guys didnt need to be in the movie. but the movie flash needs to be in the series. Even so. the movie was a good show. there is move for everybody.
Same thing happened to Tom Welling with Smallville and Superman Returns. People liked Tom and thought he should do Superman Returns when that came out.
That's an extremely different situation. Tom didn't want to wear the suit, and technically, never has. The Smallville finale was CGI. He played Clark, but not Superman. Aside from that, Brandon Ruth was perfect for the role, it was the script that sucked.
The whole movie was hurtful to all of us fans that love the cast of the tv show. If they had been there it wouldn’t have sucked ass. And hey grant prob wouldn’t grope or threaten any women while he was filming either that’s always a plus.
Look on the bright side the Flash movie was in developmental hell for nearly a decade and could've had it'd own trilogy before the Flash show had ended. But Ironically it's solo film was a complete failure due to Ezra Miller not being able to keep himself from breaking the law. I thought that Ezra did a great job in Zack Snyder's Justice League film and I was hyped to see my childhood Batman Michael Keaton on the big screen again. I ultimately skipped the Flash movie because of Ezra Miller and the crimes that made the headlines I couldn't morally give the film my money based on principal.
They were both told to be happening within 3 or 4 months apart before the flash show came out. Ezra failed to be a good character in the justice league and his flash movie had delay after delay after countless scripts changes whilst in production that's on top of the outside crap the actor brought, what 9 years and they kept throwing money at it knowing it was going to fail and scrap the micheal keaton batman movie to rush him into the crapfest, flash movie to get numbers going to see it
The Flash TV show was good to a point...much like Arrow. Flash was good til whole Iris drama and whole we were all struck by lightning nonsense. Much like how Arrow was good up until whole Olicity shit and then they ruined and destroyed what should have been a badass character in Black Canary.
No offense but nobody watch the flash on T.V. it was like Daredevil in Spider-Man No Way home. Alot of people didn't know who that was. Plus the flash is weakest of the CW shows. Superman & Lois being the best.
They wanted to separate the series from the movies, but it should at least pay an homage or show some respect. Ezra is as good actor as any but his past acts and ethics made fled into the movie and it became a mess. But lets be honest the story was trash now that im watching the series i realize the flash movie storyline has already been told in the series, and that run sequence in the movie was terrible.
john Schneider, Pa Kent from Smallville once taught an acting class for people looking to land tv roles. He said "you're not going to get 60 watts out of a 20 watt bulb". The Flash show was filled with 20 watt bulbs. Nothing wrong with that, but cinema should be for 60 watt bulbs, not 20 watt bulbs who feel entitled to it just because they were on a tv show with similar characters.
dumbest cameos ever. A superman verson that was scrapped, a jay Garrick no one knew of, all wrapped up in terrible cgi. Neglecting the flash series was unforgivable.
A Grant Gustin cameo would have been way better than using cgi to make offputting recreations of dead actors. Better yet, they should have just made him the other universe’s Flash instead of having 2 Ezra Millers.
nah
Ezra 1: Hey everyone! This is my time clone.
Ezra 2: WaiT! hE's bATmaN?
Squidward: THERE'S TWO OF THEM!!!
bro they even CGI'd the zoom actor's face into Jay. WB went extreme scumny for that film
@@immapotato1 No they didn’t. The Jay seen in the cameo is one the effects producers. It does look like Teddy Sears
Grant should have been the flash never mind. Ezra’s a shit flash and he’s a scumbag
TV Flash and Arrow did the heavy lifting for DC for a decade. Absolutely a slap in the face to leave them out of the movie.
They should have ended the show at 100 episodes and done the movies with the TV cast.
And considering the fact that Ezra was in the show but grant wasn't in the movie
Arrow verse is ass. Stop.
@@andrewcruzsmith2343Right, they could had made Grant have a cameo or something
@@djdubc09271 TAt least the Arrowverse was good early on. The only good thing in the movie was Michael Keaton back as Batman.
TBF Smallville was there before Superman Returns but Tom was never really considered for the role nor was Rosenbaum. However, Synder Verse used a lot of actors who made appearances on Smallville as roles in his DCEU. I think a lot has to do with casting director as much as the studio themselves.
Whether the cast was hurt or not, it was disrespectful. Agents of Shield gets the same treatment in Marvel. They even carefully wrote their scripts to fill in missing subplots for the MCU. Right up until the end, even tho I don't think they meant to in the final season, they laid the groundwork for the Multiverse.
Why would they feel hurt tho everyone knows with dc the shows are separate from the movies. Now marvel fkn over agents that I agree with cause clearly Disney intended most the stuff they are doing to connect with each other but I don’t see why anyone should be hurt over at Warner bros cause they are completely separate thing the shows and movies. Clearly now that James Gunn is in charge he seems to wanna do what Disneys been doing and connect everything together.
@ChrisGonzalez-z1g cause they did a multiverse plot and ignored the existing multiverse. I also think there was some stuff said behind the scenes that we haven't specifically heard. There's an air of superiority from movie people over television people in the industry.
Disney is only more recently part of the AoS problem. That one is all Marvel Studios. Disney only came into the picture as AoS was wrapping up.
@@Lordoftheapes79 yes they did the multiverse thing but even in the comic adaptation he’s stuck in one universe he isn’t skipping around universes throughout the whole story. Plus they already had Ezra talk with grant in the crisis event did they really need to do anything more even if the flash show characters ended up in the movie it would have been for less then a minute like all the other universes that had a cameo. Plus aos hasn’t been the only thing ignored. The inhumans mine as well just be forgotten except for black bolts cameo in dr strange and the Netflix shows were ignored for a long time to till recently now they are bringing back because everything else has been sucking and those shows are actually good.
Yes, Agents of Shield did so much to add to the world of the MCU. I only watched until Season 4, but it really did a better job filling in the gaps of the MCU than the Disney+ shows.
Arrowverse is not part of the DCEU, so comparing it to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. isn't even remotely close.
If you asked me, they dodged a bullet. I liked The Flash movie, but if I was an actor I wouldn't want to be associated with it. The worst part was when they had some guy that looked like Teddy Sears' Jay Garrick, but wasn't him at all. What was that even supposed to be? They could've easily had TV clips from 90s Flash and Grant Gustin Flash.
I don't know, I disliked the movie but I can definitely see an amazing Supergirl in Sasha's performance. If I was her I'd be proud of my work in the movie, even if it was killed by bad CGI-Writing and awful casting for Barry.
@@MaxleonoUEFN I agree with you. Sasha was great and she should be proud.
So it wasn't Teddy Sears in that CGI-palooza montage of various DC IP interpretations? Sure looked like him from what I saw 😮
@@generalilbis They have said that it was just a random stunt double on set, and not supposed to be Teddy Sears. But I have a feeling that it was actually supposed to be Teddy Sears but they just weren't aware of the fake Jay Garrick/Zoom twist in the show and they realised it too late and then had to come up with a BS excuse to save face, like the "it looks bad on purpose" comment. This honestly wouldn't surprise me considering how barely stitched together the whole movie feels like.
Grant is my Flash
At least we got the funny scene where Ezra Miller made a cameo appearance as the Flash on the CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover event, where he met Grant Gustin's The Flash from the Arrowverse.
Honestly get the feeling that was damage limitation with the on going Ezra situation 🤦♂️
@@sprocket-YT That was before Ezra Miller needed damage control. It just felt like a cool moment at the time.
@ allegations started the same year as the cameo! 🙄🤦♂️
I wonder if it was canon cuz it was never referenced again
@@aymaanrashid2033I think it was apart of their plan in 2019, remember Barry mentioned Victor, but that was when Cyborg actually was supposed to be in The Flash, and so was Grant but they kept changing shit. Like there was no Supergirl, then she replaced Superman, then there’s an ending with both of them and Michael Keaton but James Gunn had the idea to bring in Clooney? I wouldn’t be surprised if James Gunn pushed for the George Reeves and Christopher Reeve cgi cameos.
The first 3 seasons of The Flash were fantastic, but after that, the quality of the writing dropped off a cliff like the Continental shelf
The first season was average. It had its moments but at best was average.
Season two was just the same.
And....
it all went downhill from there.
Yall better stop speaking facts before the die hard fans find you 😅
@@beachgemblue There are no more fans. The show made sure of it.
Same as Arrow. Eventually they turn them into soaps
@@jaimemendez8098 Arrow had more good seasons than Flash (still having bad ones). And Arrow's series finale was so much better than Flash's.
Well, The Flash movie flopped hard anyway and Ezra Miller won't be remembered. So If you ask me, TV Flash at least established certain loyal fanbase and it's definitely a show a lot of people grew up with. At the end, TV Flash won. 💁♂️
Yes exactly
Grant gustin is the one and only flash for me
@@kidrobot. Not for the right reasons though. Ezra made more buzz with his controversial behavior than he did with his acting chops. About the Justice League... well to each their own, I suppose. I wouldn't call it a superhero masterpiece just because it took 4 hours to tell a story. Cinematography is beautiful, I'll give it that. The story was mid and the added content wasn't really crucial or gamechanging.
@@kidrobot.I need the drugs you have
@@kidrobot. People will rather talk about Gunn's future DCU than any shit of DCEU for past 10 years. If people want to talk about it, it's all about Ezra Miller's problems and those horrible CG
The Crisis Crossover was not done great in my opinion. It was 50/50 to me. I left all CW shows after that. I saw the writing on the wall and left before they completely destroyed the Arrowverse
It had its moments, but the story was an utter mess.
Especially when Ezra has a cameo in Crisis on Infinite Earths, I was expecting to see Grant in the movie.
That's one of the things I like about James Gunn's approach of the DCU. All the actors will be the same whether they are animated, in film, or series. (Frank Grillo for example is in 'Creature Commandos', 'Peacemaker S2, and the 'Superman' film)
I’m assuming because he’s gonna do what disneys been doing and make everything connected unlike the old dceu
@@ChrisGonzalez-z1g he's probably doing it that way because it's cheaper and fans already like the current line-up
@@ChrisGonzalez-z1g Mostly, James Gunn has said there will be Elseworlds films like Joker or The Batman that won't connect to the DCU, but he wants the DCU to have consistency with the stories between media (Film, TV, Video Games, etc.). The Elseworlds projects are supposed to have different branding and marketing so you'll know what movie or TV show is and isn't a part of the interconnected DCU.
The same thing could be said about Battlestar Galactica, the only person I remember being brought back from the original show was Richard Hatch
I read somewhere that they offered Dirk Benedict a role and he turned it down
@@MrTorgueHighFiveFlexington I heard that too
They should've had cameos for the one scene but nothing to be hurt over either.
They should've done something about Ezra's cameo from crisis into the movie or have Grant in some way
It was especially disrespectful considering Ezra cameoed on the CW Flash show. They could've at least returned the favor.
Every show doesn’t need to be in the movie franchises. And it’s ok for everything not to be included just like Matt Reeves’s Batman isn’t in the DCU.
But the flash movie was a multiverse movie and they decided to ignore the only other version of the flash but show all the supermans and batmans to ever exist. Why couldn’t they have included a scene along with all the other cgi weirdness they showed?
Erza Miller did cameo on The Flash suggesting the DCEU movies are connected to the Arrowverse via Multiverse stuff. Obviously movies need to be sold to worldwide audiences that aren’t going to be up to date on US/Canadian TV
Which falls apart a bit having Michael Keaton and George Clooney in there. They only work knowing they were both Batman. Even the huge multiverse reveal requires general knowledge of all the DC live action library. But they didn't even need Grant playing CW Flash. He could have just been Flashpoint Flash.
@ Nah. Expecting general movie audiences to be familiar with other movies is different from expecting them to be familiar with TV shows, not that I think you couldn’t have cameoed Grant Gustin in a way that didn’t demand the audience to know about a CW show from 2014 to “get it”
The Arrowverse's "Crisis on Infinite Earth's" did the same thing with leaving out the actors from Superboy 1988 (John Haymes Newton and Gerard Christopher).
I just started rewatching the Flash again, never watch all seasons. Really enjoying it.
The main reason we don't often see multiple live action versions of the same character played by the same actor is because it's much easier to distinguish which version of the character it is depending on which actor it is, the same was you see animated versions of these characters looking different between various films and series
They already established that DCU Flash and Arrowverse Flash are in the same multiverse because they literally meet each other in Crisis
I thought the DCU was a reset universe after The Flash movie
The Flash movie was so surreal... it was like a fever dream. I sometimes forget it was even made or that I saw such a thing.
I think given the movie Flash cameoed in the Flash TV show, it would have been only fair for the TV Flash to cameo in the Flash movie, especially since both deal in multiverses.
Also there's a typo in the thumbnail.
I really enjoyed the Flash movie and Miller's performance. I also didn't have a _problem_ with them showing some CG versions of other universes, but that should not have come at the expense of cameos that were actually relevant. As much as I'm a Superman fan, those CG scenes should have been sacrificed for Gustin to appear. His and Miller's Flashes already meet in Gustin's show, and Gustin's Flash is canonically the person who gives Miller's Barry the idea for the name.
What I always resented about The Flash show was the effect it had on Arrow. After its success the producers took “The Flash formula” and applied it to Arrow I believe after season 3. It became a little more light in tone and they incorporated their own “Team Flash.” Which for me tainted the essence and quality of Arrow.
There was so many missteps in that film from the CGI cameos to just writing, i'd just leave the multiverse stuff outta it then do what they did with the Reeves stuff.
I would have loved a Gustin cameo or something to that effect cause Grant Gustin felt like THE Flash, akin to something like Keaton or Reeves or even Tobey/Andrew as Spider-Man. I never ever bought Miller as Flash even in his own film and that film did everything to make me hate him on screen.
I think the Flash TV cast dodged a bullet with that movie
A Flash Movie with The Flash show cast with that movies budget would’ve been better than the one we got. Just imagine Grant gustin and Tom cavanagh with season 1 kind of script of the movie on budget of 200 million
John Wesley Shipp & Grant Gustin definitely should've appeared in The Flash movie especially Gustin since he & Ezra had that moment were their Barry's crossed paths in the Crisis CW crossover.
I don't understand why they would think they would be in it? The DC film universe is completely separate from the Arrowverse.
the flash supposed to be a MULTIVERSE movie
Why did they allow to put Ezra Miller in the tv show but not put grant in the movie. Seeing grant is what people wanted. If possible the entire cast of cw flash would have been fire
They let Ezra Miller cameo as The Flash in Crisis On Infinite Earths Part 3 if I'm not mistaken. The least they could've done was repay the favor by putting Grant Gustin as The Flash as a cameo in Ezra's Flash movie
I'm sure the WB and DC hate constantly hearing that the television Flash was far better than the movie version. Unfortunately for them, it's true.
they gave miller a cameo in the flash series. but when it came to the movie, they let down gustin.
I don’t remember what it was but the studio used the Flash TV show to promote something movie related and Stephen Amell ripped them apart in the media for it.
We did see Ezra Millers Flash turn up on the TV show. But it was a shame they didn't give the nod to the TV show in the film. They may have been saving it for the now cancelled sequels. I heard the sequel would have been more about the Multiverse
The cameos really suffered mainly due to Andy muechettis nostalgia on older dc projects, hence the dead cgi actors. Andy was given a lot of freedom on cameos from what I heard I believe he had plenty of opportunity to put Grant but just didn’t to fit his own nostalgia of his favorite dc characters.
Didn’t Stephen Amell speak out against the studio for not casting Grant Gustin? Grant would’ve done a better job.
Reminds me of Agents of SHIELD and the rest of the MCU.
The Arrowverse was like the step child who got whatever was left over like hey we are using this this and this in our movies so off limits even on Arrow they weren't allowed to even mention Batman or Bruce Wayne really untill it was like ok you can mention him
They're doing it again with the new Superman movie. They making sure to end the Superman and Lois show soon because they don't want confusion or competition between the two continuities (I could be wrong). Tyler Hoechlin's Superman is the best since Reeves and they're canceling a great Superman Show just for the sake of shutting down competition with James Gunn's Superman.
I really wouldn't mourn being left out of the Flash movie because it was the worst DCU film. How anyone involved in the production didn't call out executives for picking Ezra Miller is a total mystery to me.
The flash movie was great
The worst? So we just pretending Blue Beetle and that shit with the Rock doesn't exist?
@@Ahzpayne
I stand corrected. You're right, most of the DCU movies suck.
@@Ahzpayne We pretending the first Suicide Squad, the theatrical cut of Justice League, and Wonder Woman ‘84 doesn’t exist? Blue Beetle was just average (should have just faithfully adapted the excellent 2000’s Jaime Reyes comic run, hopefully the planned Blue Beetle animated series will do so) and the Black Adam movie at least was good during the scenes that were focused on the JSA (Johnson wasn’t bad as Black Adam, the problem is his story with that kid was just an inferior retread of the T-800 and John Connor from T2).
@@Ahzpaynethey’re all as bad as each other
What bugged me about The Flash movie was that Ezra Miller made a cameo in The Flash TV show so when I was watching the movie, I was waiting for the tie in and there wasn't. It almost felt like a slap in the face to the TV series.
I think I just heard the star say that she hasn’t even seen The Flash film? So maybe if she watched it, she may not feel so bad because it is completely different “take” on the story, separate from the series. Kind of like how the Lynda Carter WW tv series is separate from the Gal Gadot WW films. She needs to understand this.
Tbh it's a good thing that show Flash and movie Flash was kept separate. The movie was bad and the actor did some heinous things. The film shouldn't have been released
Neither the 90's show or CW Flash had any mention the movie. It was just an odd exclusion in a movie which made alot of of baffling decisions.
Needless to say, the relationship between the DCEU and the Arrowverse was...rough, to put it lightly
Katee
I would rather see Gustin's Flash than Miller's version because Grant performed as Flash long before Ezra did in the 1st movie. I wish that somehow and some way that Ryan Reynolds put Grant and Danielle's characters as cameos in Deadpool and Wolverine even their characters are DC property. Hell, Ryan put Henry Cavill aka Superman as Cavillrine, one Wolverine Variant. But DC would have cried foul.......
Hell, TV's Flash and Arrow series did a great job with tight budgets compared to movies'
Spiderman: No Way Home did an excellent job adding both Tobey & Andrews' Spiderman crossover into Tom's Spiderman's Universe.
It was straight up disrespectful and the fans told them it was and called the movie out on being lesser
I've loved Danielle ever since Sky High, and Grant Gustin is an amazing flash - they could have had a brilliant movie - Ezra Miller is a humanistic train wreck, at some point "it's just business" isn't a good excuse, why can't they make something entertaining with high moral values at the same time? How do they know that wouldn't make more money? Do the right thing first and the success will follow
They had Ezra on the show, I at least expected Grant in the movie, but ah well, it is what it is
100% Ezra Miller was a terrible Flash who absolutely ruined the movie. Grant would have been WAY better as a movie Flash, Ezra just could not nail the role, he's not a good enough actor.
Grant should've had that film
lol stay mad
You are joking right?
Grant is barely an actor. He's good at CW acting.
Ezra was great in the film.
@@TheGeekHeroes LOL you must be trolling LMAO
lol Ezra was fine. If it wasn’t for all his arrest issues and basically the audience being told that all justice league actors were being replaced that movie would have made bank.
Grant Gustin is the Flash and Team Flash is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy better than the Movie Flash...
Grant as the other flash being the other lead instead of 2 Ezra's would have been so much better
The Flash movie should be Ezra, Grant Gustin and John Wesley Shipp together joining forces with Michael Keaton Batman to save their Superman (it could be Tom Welling or Dean Cain) and use him to stop the war between Atlantis and Themyscira, like in the comics. All orchestrated by Reverse Flash, played by Tom Cavaugh.
I’m glad they didn’t waste her time, or Grants.
I'm still yet on the fence about watching the movie, so far I've only saw cameos of other movies ect,
it's because of Ezra miller, originally they wanted to cut him out of the movie completely, recast, I get that that would have coat alot, but theres 2 versions of Ezra millers ,, seems awkward wrong to watch,
I really think they should at least fit grant gustin in as the 2nd flash, that would definitely have me to see it,, atm in still on the fence,
They should have included people from the cw shows
Biggest Fan
Grant gustin should be the new flash with the og team flash in dcu they deserve it
Was really disappointed the flash tv show didn’t do a course correction and get back to basics, it really went downhill
I was disappointed too grant gustin is the one made me love the flash vlbarry Allen’s character after the fame and recognition he brought to the character how could they not just do a cameo for him that is so disrespectful not just for the flash tv show cast but for the audience who this character too
Why would tv actors think they would go to the movie?
"You guys would'a made it better." Ouch Katee. But also, not wrong.
Grant not getting a cameo when they gave Ezra one if bs
i thought she felt left out because she was not invited to be part of the movie. oh well. nothing to worry about. ever since the series flash. i recognize the series being the legit show. even the movie flash need you guys to promote him. you guys didnt need to be in the movie. but the movie flash needs to be in the series.
Even so. the movie was a good show. there is move for everybody.
Same thing happened to Tom Welling with Smallville and Superman Returns. People liked Tom and thought he should do Superman Returns when that came out.
That's an extremely different situation. Tom didn't want to wear the suit, and technically, never has. The Smallville finale was CGI. He played Clark, but not Superman.
Aside from that, Brandon Ruth was perfect for the role, it was the script that sucked.
@@Lordoftheapes79 Ive been saying this for years thank you
@@Lordoftheapes79 except it's not. and it wasn't a continuation of smallville. so if they had approached tom, it would've worked
They had a full scene of CW Flash and DCEU Flash shot and edited for Crisis they quite literally couldve recycled that scene
Ezra has much pretty killed the Flash brand for movies.
WB manage to mishandle the DC universe over and over.
The whole movie was hurtful to all of us fans that love the cast of the tv show. If they had been there it wouldn’t have sucked ass. And hey grant prob wouldn’t grope or threaten any women while he was filming either that’s always a plus.
Grant would have made sense, but you might be pushing your luck with the rest of the Flash CW cast.
I'm sorry but Grant is the only one who has a gripe in this subject.
Look on the bright side the Flash movie was in developmental hell for nearly a decade and could've had it'd own trilogy before the Flash show had ended. But Ironically it's solo film was a complete failure due to Ezra Miller not being able to keep himself from breaking the law. I thought that Ezra did a great job in Zack Snyder's Justice League film and I was hyped to see my childhood Batman Michael Keaton on the big screen again. I ultimately skipped the Flash movie because of Ezra Miller and the crimes that made the headlines I couldn't morally give the film my money based on principal.
Let your guest speak wtf. This is a 2 minute clip and I only heard Danielle speak for 30 seconds😂😂😂
They were both told to be happening within 3 or 4 months apart before the flash show came out. Ezra failed to be a good character in the justice league and his flash movie had delay after delay after countless scripts changes whilst in production that's on top of the outside crap the actor brought, what 9 years and they kept throwing money at it knowing it was going to fail and scrap the micheal keaton batman movie to rush him into the crapfest, flash movie to get numbers going to see it
There was plenty of Superman shows and no cameos. It's all seperate.
Damn, everyone rushing making podcasts nowadays
I liked the flash movie. In hindsight grant would have been a much better flash.
Actually the flash is not a snyder movie
The show was better than the movie 💯
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In all honesty that Flash Movie doesn’t have A LOT of rewatch value. Only certain parts I’d rewatch but as a whole…no lol
If DC was smart they would have hired GRANT to be their flash. Pulled people from the show to be in the movie.
No, what would be the point? Grant's Flash had already done everything. He got the girl, beat all the bad guys... we've already seen his story
Lmao no, there wasn’t a single fan that got “hurt” by DCU keeping people out of their universe. We got hurt by their horrific quality of films.
She is talking about people who worked on The Flash Tv show 👍
Why was she??
Given how bad that movie ended up being I’d say they dodged a bullet
The Flash TV show was good to a point...much like Arrow. Flash was good til whole Iris drama and whole we were all struck by lightning nonsense. Much like how Arrow was good up until whole Olicity shit and then they ruined and destroyed what should have been a badass character in Black Canary.
The Flash movie was atrocious. I wish they went with Grant Gusting instead, it would have been an instant hit.
It's spelled Hurtful.
🤦🏻♂️dang it!
To me there is only the tv-series. The movie was a joke and only got through the first 20 minutes of that trash
Instead of two ezra millers, one ezra and one grant gustin wouldve been better
No offense but nobody watch the flash on T.V. it was like Daredevil in Spider-Man No Way home. Alot of people didn't know who that was. Plus the flash is weakest of the CW shows. Superman & Lois being the best.
They wanted to separate the series from the movies, but it should at least pay an homage or show some respect. Ezra is as good actor as any but his past acts and ethics made fled into the movie and it became a mess.
But lets be honest the story was trash now that im watching the series i realize the flash movie storyline has already been told in the series, and that run sequence in the movie was terrible.
john Schneider, Pa Kent from Smallville once taught an acting class for people looking to land tv roles. He said "you're not going to get 60 watts out of a 20 watt bulb". The Flash show was filled with 20 watt bulbs. Nothing wrong with that, but cinema should be for 60 watt bulbs, not 20 watt bulbs who feel entitled to it just because they were on a tv show with similar characters.
why would they approach caitlin snow, she’s so full of herself - it’s called the flash
I think it did The Flash series actors a favor lol. The movie was that bad.
Suiii
dumbest cameos ever. A superman verson that was scrapped, a jay Garrick no one knew of, all wrapped up in terrible cgi. Neglecting the flash series was unforgivable.
Most of the DCEU was a total mess. Flash Arrow etc were much better.
The end of the flash wasn't good at all. The first 4 seasons were fantastic when I couldn't wait until the new episode came out