The books go into a lot more detail about the lying thing. It's explained not that they are unfamiliar with deception entirely, but that the degree and complexity of it in humans is so far beyond what they are psychologically capable of as to render it terrifyingly incomprehensible, like a layperson trying to wrap their head around quantum mechanics or general relativity.
It doesn't make sense on ANY level that a species would be that advanced, and yet that vastly unfamiliar with the concept of deception - and particularly at a higher level, like humans were supposedly doing. More so when you consider what the title of the second book is and what it means in terms of what the San-ti have had to do to survive in light of that respect. Put also aside the fact that they (Somehow) created an AI that was perpetually "lying" to humanity at a very advanced level. Yet they themselve didn't understand the concept (......well enough). (????????)
@@Cbricklyne You have to remember that their species is (from what I remember from the books) essentially telepathic- their thoughts are immediately "viewable" to other San-Ti/Trisolarans. They can't be deceptive because their thoughts are always read. Lying would essentially be pointless because their actual thoughts and feelings are always known to those around them.
If lying for deception is hard for aliens to understand, lying for humour or entertainment might be even harder. Thus, fables like Little Red Riding Hood are ways that humans can communicate that aliens would be unlikely to comprehend.
The point about the incapability to lie in the books is very simple: The San-Ti are physically incapable of lying face-to-face, as they can perceive the faint electromagnetic brain waves of each other, which would reveal any such attempt. The book specifically states that deception may be attempted, in war for example, but direct enquiry would reveal the truth.
@@Cbricklyne In the books it's explained, that they are familiar with deception. The deception just quickly falls apart when the deceived meets the deceiver because they can't hide their thoughts and knowledge from each other. The show hasn't contradicted it yet. The red riding hood fairy tale didn't make sense for them because the wolf communicated with the girl. They also originally thought that the tale is real because they had complete surveillance over Evans and thus thought that all that he is saying is true
The nuclear propulsion thing i ended up going down a rabbit whole reading about and it was really cool. Also they renewed this show for 2 more seasons!
The joke that Ye Wenjie tells to Saul is the most important part in the entire series. Non-book readers won't get it, but I'm really excited for season 2 where they will hopefully explain everything.
In the book "The Dark Forest" she told him not as a joke, but as the two axioms of cosmo-sociology. The joke is not a bad way to tell him about it, though. Probably more "direct" and easier digestable for more people.
@@BryanLawlor Don't you think its actually exactly the two main things Saul (Luo Ji) does? I mean, he even calls his first deed a "joke" at some point, but I don't remember if calling it that was in book 2 or 3.
In the show, I think it was explained by the Sun-Ti that once a thought is expressed, it is known. Not knowing anything about the books, I took that to mean some sort of telepathy. So they never could lie to each other. I also wouldn't put manipulation necessarily in the same category as lying. Compelling someone to do something for you or in accordance to a plan is not lying.
It is lying. Especially if don't reveal to them the reason you're compelling them to do so or your motives for doing so, and more so especially when them knowing so would be vital to their deciding (for themselves,) whether they want to actually do it. We call it "lying by ommission" and by any standard it's STILL lying. "I kept the (whole) truth from you for your own good" has never in the history of knowledge and cognition been an absolution from lying. We just don't like to call it lying, as it is, because we spend a large part of our existence doing it to people we care about. Our spouses, our siblings, our parents, our friends...
In the first book the alien leader keeps the sophon project secret from his advisors, so they can conceal thoughts. In the second book the lying thing is retconned a bit: outright lying is possible via telecommunication (writing, telegraph, radio, etc). The inability to lie is described as more of an ingrained custom than a biological feature. The whole lying thing seems to have been invented just so the aliens could temporarily abandon their human allies, because they're back working together again in the second book.
@@rickyricardo9710 Each of the "thousands" of monitoring stations has a single caretaker. It's a chaotic era, so everyone is under cover and nobody visits. He has a few hours to think it over and compose his message before his treason is exposed. Presumably the screening process for caretakers doesn't detect possible alien sympathizers, though the aliens aggressively weed out such undesirables afterward. Improbably, the pacifist lives to the end of the second book.
It may be useful to entertain one notion about the overall story: it is not really about the San-Ti, their society, or their planetary system. Anything relating to the San-Ti may contain elements that are not fully scientifically sound, but are used to set up a scenario, wherein the reactions of humanity can be examined. The name of the overall book trilogy is, after all, 'Remembrance of Earth's Past'. In some sense, the entire first book, as well as most of the first season, may be seen as a prologue to the actual story of interest. To avoid making the entire first season essentially a prologue, it also makes perfect sense to include in it elements of books two and three, as has been done, particularly in the last three episodes.
New video! Thanks for upload, love hearing you comment on concepts from this series. I don't remember if series gave us this detail, but in books reason for inability of sun-ti to lie stems from characterisric of their physical bodies (super minor spoiler alert): they communicate with each other through electro-magnetic waves that their brains produce when they thinking. So every thought of sun-ti is broadcasted into surrounding. For me it's very interesting concept. It's probably rather improbable in terms of physics and biology but I'm not scientist, so can't know for sure.
Bioluminescent communication is a thing we can observe in nature though, such as the aptly named lanternfish. I think the show covered so much book material in such a short amount of screen-time that some abridging was necessary. In the books, the conversation between Mike Evans and the San-ti occurs out of order - at the start of book 2 in a flashback. This is important because information about the existence of Sophon, the fate of "the listener", San-ti biology and society and the activities of ETO (Ye Wenjie/Mike Evans's organisation) becomes known to the reader at the end of book 1. All of this information is recovered from the nanowired Judgment Day. We then flash back to the "lying" conversation, with all of this context. The book conversation is fundamentally about language and its imprecision. Evans is teaching the San-ti about human language. They become frustrated with how inefficient and error prone it is and are confused by synonyms and near synonyms like "far" and "long" and "thinking" and "saying". "Thinking" and "saying" are not synonymous at all (not even close) and thats the point. In the book conversation it is more clear that in their pursuit of knowledge, the San-ti accidentally revealed too much about themselves before realising quickly they messed up. Shortly after, they cease all communication with Evans. I thought it was grimly amusing that the shared pursuit of knowledge is so intoxicating, we all briefly forgot that we would have to kill each other later.
Really enjoyed your reactions and reflections on this series Michael, really spot on and your enthusiasm for the story and sympathetic appreciation the characters was lovely to hear. I looked for the episode 8 reaction and can't find it ..has it been removed by YT?
That explains why the project is apparently designed to fail. Jin even lampshades the overly hasty and improvisational nature of the Staircase Project. If Wade is serious about the project, he gives Jin a decade or more of testing and development (and more bombs).
3:25 Episode 5 sophon rant: Ever since then I've been wondering how the first book would go without the magical sophons and FTL communication. Presumably the San-Ti would still work with the Ye/Evans cult as before, but with an eight year time lag. Meanwhile they send sophisticated self-replicating AI probes (or even dehydrated San-Ti) to Sol at 0.1c. These set up shop in the outer solar system, contact the traitor cult directly, and set up mines and factories to mass produce weapons and monitoring stations. Some ten or twenty years after arrival, the alien AIs strike targets identified by the cult, e.g. particle accelerators, scientific centers, national capitals, etc. To minimize damage to the ecosystem, they may instead use targeted diseases developed with the aid of their human friends. With additional strikes as necessary, that should keep the humans in check until the main fleet arrives in 300+ years. Better yet, the fleet has a sophisticated interplanetary infrastructure already waiting for it.
I wonder if it is possible that the San Ti take a long time to learn that humans can lie due to the fact that for years they have only directly interacted with humans who believed in the myths they one sidedly created about the San Ti and hence had no reason to doubt their beliefs or not be open about it. The moment they learn that humans can hide thoughts and intentions, it doesn't take them long to gauge the consequences.
It could be that their words for what "lying" is has a different meaning than how they interpret it in their own language. Like a "lost in translation" kind of situation
@ToxicGamer86454 I'm not even sure what you're getting at. The show starts filming in a few months it's already in pre-production and has been confirmed it will be 2 more seasons. All of this has been confirmed, so I have no idea why you are saying it won't be made
Did anybody see on Netflix official social media account they made a fake commercial to buy a Star? It was pretty funny and a neat little fake commercial
@ToxicGamer86454 yes and they're doing the entire story it has been confirmed. They even named dropped some characters from the later books that we will probably see in the next seasons. My point is the show has been renewed for 2 more seasons so your claim was just wrong. When you say if the show does come back. The show is coming back as I said it's already in production, which says right on the official website. 2 more seasons are coming.
Just to chime in we know that certain animals have natural anti-freeze proteins. For example, Wood frogs from where I'm from often overwinter like... a brick. Frozen solid. And they thaw out and go about their business.
I didn't read the books, so my opinions carry little weight in this specific scenario. BUT I assumed that San Ti would be telepathic, which explains the linethat if only one survives all of them survive. I assume that telepaths have a hard time lying to each other. They might be able to lie through omission, or (the Arisians' favorite tactic) tell truths in such a way to draw wrong conclusions. And I think the aliens are engaged in a social engineering campaign on human society,teaching them to fear like those aliens, for their own purposes. Otherwise, why alert their enemies? The San Ti might have been able to lie in the past, and might have remembered what it is after a time, and they might be improvising a response to this unexpected wrinkle to their plans. Which would explain the clumsiness in which they are goigng about it. BTW, if you don't know who the Arisians are, google it. It's important for science fiction fans to at least know of (read them would be better) the Lensman series.
we already know the yuanti dont understand fiction. Her saying "some people wont get the joke, maybe only two people will understand it" she obviously left some kind of message for him to decipher that the yuanti would not be able to grasp. its a cool idea! us using our fiction, our "lies" to tell truth to each other the aliens cant decipher
2nd book and 3rd book will be more interesting they will encounter sophons again but as a weapon by trisolarians which almost destroyed all the human space fleet and dark forest theory and wallfacer project hopefully will be shown in season two.
Using atomic bombs to propel a ship allows you vastly more payload mass than what our puny chemical rockets can handle. Project Orion's ship had the mass of a battleship. What reason did they give to limit the mass they are sending to the San-Ti to a few kilograms?
The speed they want to get it up to. I also suspect using the solar sail method cuts the efficiency quite a bit (but avoids the 1000G acceleration problem).
I didn't get the introduction of the sister. They introduced an unsympathetic character just to get us to not like her? Maybe they just wanted to establish that there was no reason for him to stick around...
Actually, it is the minecraft series that are the most enjoyable and faithful series. Indeed, the tencent one is very faithful, however, it lacks Visual effects. Now this is a big deal, you have seen nothing so far, second book really escalates things, and the third book just goes exponential. This will require outstanding VFX, i wonder if Netflix is capable of such task... a purely animated series, though, is much likely to achieve it.
@bz7661 it's actually is and it isn't. It has Chinese censorship and completely changes Ye Wenjie fathers death and tones down any violence or criticism of China. It's also 30 episodes that drag and makes you flashback and watch the same scenes over and over again. It also is filmed on a very amateur way
The Einstein joke was her. She is Einstein. And the Heaven she thought would be harmonious is still dreadful, you cant play with God…ONLY God gets to play instruments in Heaven, God doesn’t give many options
Yeah, the whole "'San-ti' can't lie as a species" was one of the more incredulous and silly aspects I found about the show or the narrative. At least even if we went with the notion that they can't lie to each other on account of the fact that they are a telepathic species/hive mind (which, in itself comes with even more logic plothole problems than the story was unable to overcome), the idea that they didn't understand the concept of lying or deception even at a fundamental level that when they realized humans lie, it changed their whole view of humanity was rather laughable. Especially given the fact that we're to believe they've had to evolve and develop several hundreds of thousands of times on their planet on account of the instability of its tri-solar system nature, and knowing that "lying" or the capacity to deceive or recognize deception is a fundamental aspect of the evolution of species - particularly at a higher level of evolution of cognitive processes and socialization with other members of the same species. Successful species know how to "lie" or recognize "deception" among their members or in other predator/prey species they may be in competition with for resources, so the whole idea that you had this super-advanced alien species that had evolved that far (and that many times) without ever having had to overcome or navigate the capacity for deception as a necessary aspect of evolution was,........silly. To me, anyway. But,...it was a necessary plot contrivance to move along the story and make things happen*, so I guess we had to let it go. (*.....put aside the annoying fact that the San-ti (somehow) created a sentient Aritificial Intelligence and supercomputer whose almost entire encounter and interaction with the human race was predicated on constantly lying to them,.....but whatever. Among many other logical inconsistencies with their whole incapacity for lying/deception/understanding deception.) EDIT : That'll teach me not to watch the entire introduction before typing my comment. You covered literally everything I said in spades and far more eloquently than I could. It's even more comforting to know that other people reached the same conclusion I did without knowing what they were thinking (or what I was thinking) just based on our common understanding of how Evolution works or is supposed to work.
The books go into a lot more detail about the lying thing. It's explained not that they are unfamiliar with deception entirely, but that the degree and complexity of it in humans is so far beyond what they are psychologically capable of as to render it terrifyingly incomprehensible, like a layperson trying to wrap their head around quantum mechanics or general relativity.
It doesn't make sense on ANY level that a species would be that advanced, and yet that vastly unfamiliar with the concept of deception - and particularly at a higher level, like humans were supposedly doing.
More so when you consider what the title of the second book is and what it means in terms of what the San-ti have had to do to survive in light of that respect.
Put also aside the fact that they (Somehow) created an AI that was perpetually "lying" to humanity at a very advanced level. Yet they themselve didn't understand the concept (......well enough).
(????????)
@@Cbricklyne You have to remember that their species is (from what I remember from the books) essentially telepathic- their thoughts are immediately "viewable" to other San-Ti/Trisolarans. They can't be deceptive because their thoughts are always read. Lying would essentially be pointless because their actual thoughts and feelings are always known to those around them.
If lying for deception is hard for aliens to understand, lying for humour or entertainment might be even harder. Thus, fables like Little Red Riding Hood are ways that humans can communicate that aliens would be unlikely to comprehend.
The point about the incapability to lie in the books is very simple: The San-Ti are physically incapable of lying face-to-face, as they can perceive the faint electromagnetic brain waves of each other, which would reveal any such attempt. The book specifically states that deception may be attempted, in war for example, but direct enquiry would reveal the truth.
@@Cbricklyne In the books it's explained, that they are familiar with deception. The deception just quickly falls apart when the deceived meets the deceiver because they can't hide their thoughts and knowledge from each other. The show hasn't contradicted it yet. The red riding hood fairy tale didn't make sense for them because the wolf communicated with the girl. They also originally thought that the tale is real because they had complete surveillance over Evans and thus thought that all that he is saying is true
The nuclear propulsion thing i ended up going down a rabbit whole reading about and it was really cool. Also they renewed this show for 2 more seasons!
The joke that Ye Wenjie tells to Saul is the most important part in the entire series.
Non-book readers won't get it, but I'm really excited for season 2 where they will hopefully explain everything.
In the book "The Dark Forest" she told him not as a joke, but as the two axioms of cosmo-sociology. The joke is not a bad way to tell him about it, though. Probably more "direct" and easier digestable for more people.
Of course as we see in Episode 8, the aliens (perhaps with the help of their human friends) got the joke before Saul did. 😉
Having read the book I'm even more perplexed. I'm curious to see how they tie the joke into what Saul thinks about and does in season 2.
@@BryanLawlor
Don't you think its actually exactly the two main things Saul (Luo Ji) does?
I mean, he even calls his first deed a "joke" at some point, but I don't remember if calling it that was in book 2 or 3.
@@thegenxgamerguy6562 His "spell"?
In the show, I think it was explained by the Sun-Ti that once a thought is expressed, it is known. Not knowing anything about the books, I took that to mean some sort of telepathy. So they never could lie to each other. I also wouldn't put manipulation necessarily in the same category as lying. Compelling someone to do something for you or in accordance to a plan is not lying.
It is lying.
Especially if don't reveal to them the reason you're compelling them to do so or your motives for doing so, and more so especially when them knowing so would be vital to their deciding (for themselves,) whether they want to actually do it.
We call it "lying by ommission" and by any standard it's STILL lying.
"I kept the (whole) truth from you for your own good" has never in the history of knowledge and cognition been an absolution from lying.
We just don't like to call it lying, as it is, because we spend a large part of our existence doing it to people we care about.
Our spouses, our siblings, our parents, our friends...
In the first book the alien leader keeps the sophon project secret from his advisors, so they can conceal thoughts. In the second book the lying thing is retconned a bit: outright lying is possible via telecommunication (writing, telegraph, radio, etc). The inability to lie is described as more of an ingrained custom than a biological feature.
The whole lying thing seems to have been invented just so the aliens could temporarily abandon their human allies, because they're back working together again in the second book.
@@Hunpecked IIRC doesn't the alien who gets the initial message work completely isolated? And isn't he about to die or something like that?
@@rickyricardo9710 Each of the "thousands" of monitoring stations has a single caretaker. It's a chaotic era, so everyone is under cover and nobody visits. He has a few hours to think it over and compose his message before his treason is exposed.
Presumably the screening process for caretakers doesn't detect possible alien sympathizers, though the aliens aggressively weed out such undesirables afterward.
Improbably, the pacifist lives to the end of the second book.
It may be useful to entertain one notion about the overall story: it is not really about the San-Ti, their society, or their planetary system. Anything relating to the San-Ti may contain elements that are not fully scientifically sound, but are used to set up a scenario, wherein the reactions of humanity can be examined. The name of the overall book trilogy is, after all, 'Remembrance of Earth's Past'.
In some sense, the entire first book, as well as most of the first season, may be seen as a prologue to the actual story of interest. To avoid making the entire first season essentially a prologue, it also makes perfect sense to include in it elements of books two and three, as has been done, particularly in the last three episodes.
New video! Thanks for upload, love hearing you comment on concepts from this series.
I don't remember if series gave us this detail, but in books reason for inability of sun-ti to lie stems from characterisric of their physical bodies (super minor spoiler alert): they communicate with each other through electro-magnetic waves that their brains produce when they thinking.
So every thought of sun-ti is broadcasted into surrounding. For me it's very interesting concept. It's probably rather improbable in terms of physics and biology but I'm not scientist, so can't know for sure.
Bioluminescent communication is a thing we can observe in nature though, such as the aptly named lanternfish.
I think the show covered so much book material in such a short amount of screen-time that some abridging was necessary.
In the books, the conversation between Mike Evans and the San-ti occurs out of order - at the start of book 2 in a flashback. This is important because information about the existence of Sophon, the fate of "the listener", San-ti biology and society and the activities of ETO (Ye Wenjie/Mike Evans's organisation) becomes known to the reader at the end of book 1.
All of this information is recovered from the nanowired Judgment Day. We then flash back to the "lying" conversation, with all of this context.
The book conversation is fundamentally about language and its imprecision. Evans is teaching the San-ti about human language. They become frustrated with how inefficient and error prone it is and are confused by synonyms and near synonyms like "far" and "long" and "thinking" and "saying".
"Thinking" and "saying" are not synonymous at all (not even close) and thats the point. In the book conversation it is more clear that in their pursuit of knowledge, the San-ti accidentally revealed too much about themselves before realising quickly they messed up. Shortly after, they cease all communication with Evans.
I thought it was grimly amusing that the shared pursuit of knowledge is so intoxicating, we all briefly forgot that we would have to kill each other later.
Really enjoyed your reactions and reflections on this series Michael, really spot on and your enthusiasm for the story and sympathetic appreciation the characters was lovely to hear. I looked for the episode 8 reaction and can't find it ..has it been removed by YT?
Wills arc is far from over.
FAR from over.
Oh yes, this was just a mild prelude of things to come for Will (actually: Yun Tianming).
That explains why the project is apparently designed to fail. Jin even lampshades the overly hasty and improvisational nature of the Staircase Project. If Wade is serious about the project, he gives Jin a decade or more of testing and development (and more bombs).
The Einstein joke is the 🔑 to the series.
Out of all the reactions I've seen, I bet Michael would come closest to figuring it out.
not smart enough to decipher it but i knew she was trying to say something
@@mercRus
Practically she was telling the whole main storyline from the book "The Dark Forest" in this one joke. More or less. ;-)
@@thegenxgamerguy6562 yeah I thought it was a clever way the show did that
3:25 Episode 5 sophon rant: Ever since then I've been wondering how the first book would go without the magical sophons and FTL communication.
Presumably the San-Ti would still work with the Ye/Evans cult as before, but with an eight year time lag. Meanwhile they send sophisticated self-replicating AI probes (or even dehydrated San-Ti) to Sol at 0.1c. These set up shop in the outer solar system, contact the traitor cult directly, and set up mines and factories to mass produce weapons and monitoring stations.
Some ten or twenty years after arrival, the alien AIs strike targets identified by the cult, e.g. particle accelerators, scientific centers, national capitals, etc. To minimize damage to the ecosystem, they may instead use targeted diseases developed with the aid of their human friends. With additional strikes as necessary, that should keep the humans in check until the main fleet arrives in 300+ years. Better yet, the fleet has a sophisticated interplanetary infrastructure already waiting for it.
Thanks for showing your emotions. I enjoy your analysis and reactions very much!
Use of "mush" made me laugh so hard .... thanks, I really needed that!
I wonder if it is possible that the San Ti take a long time to learn that humans can lie due to the fact that for years they have only directly interacted with humans who believed in the myths they one sidedly created about the San Ti and hence had no reason to doubt their beliefs or not be open about it. The moment they learn that humans can hide thoughts and intentions, it doesn't take them long to gauge the consequences.
It could be that their words for what "lying" is has a different meaning than how they interpret it in their own language. Like a "lost in translation" kind of situation
MILD SPOILER: the star that the guy bought does play a role later on. It's kinda awkward now, but they'll do something with it later.
@ToxicGamer86454umm there's as it was renewed for not 1 but 2 more seasons
@ToxicGamer86454 yes it does what? They start filming in the fall and Netflix officially confirmed it has been renewed for 2 more seasons.
@ToxicGamer86454 I'm not even sure what you're getting at. The show starts filming in a few months it's already in pre-production and has been confirmed it will be 2 more seasons. All of this has been confirmed, so I have no idea why you are saying it won't be made
Did anybody see on Netflix official social media account they made a fake commercial to buy a Star? It was pretty funny and a neat little fake commercial
@ToxicGamer86454 yes and they're doing the entire story it has been confirmed. They even named dropped some characters from the later books that we will probably see in the next seasons. My point is the show has been renewed for 2 more seasons so your claim was just wrong. When you say if the show does come back. The show is coming back as I said it's already in production, which says right on the official website. 2 more seasons are coming.
Is it worth reading the books?
The Knights who say, 'Niiiiiiiii !!' have the 1-Body problem issue.
Just to chime in we know that certain animals have natural anti-freeze proteins. For example, Wood frogs from where I'm from often overwinter like... a brick. Frozen solid. And they thaw out and go about their business.
That project is crucial in the 3rd book
As soon as they became disconcerted by the fairy tale my first thought was, "These beings don't have fiction or myths or at all?" .
some Santi civilisations might have, but they don’t survive.
I didn't read the books, so my opinions carry little weight in this specific scenario.
BUT
I assumed that San Ti would be telepathic, which explains the linethat if only one survives all of them survive. I assume that telepaths have a hard time lying to each other.
They might be able to lie through omission, or (the Arisians' favorite tactic) tell truths in such a way to draw wrong conclusions.
And I think the aliens are engaged in a social engineering campaign on human society,teaching them to fear like those aliens, for their own purposes. Otherwise, why alert their enemies?
The San Ti might have been able to lie in the past, and might have remembered what it is after a time, and they might be improvising a response to this unexpected wrinkle to their plans. Which would explain the clumsiness in which they are goigng about it.
BTW, if you don't know who the Arisians are, google it. It's important for science fiction fans to at least know of (read them would be better) the Lensman series.
Lensman!
@@MichaelSiegel14 😁😁😁😁😁
we already know the yuanti dont understand fiction. Her saying "some people wont get the joke, maybe only two people will understand it" she obviously left some kind of message for him to decipher that the yuanti would not be able to grasp. its a cool idea! us using our fiction, our "lies" to tell truth to each other the aliens cant decipher
Michael, I think you would enjoy the books. 🙂
A lot.
2nd book and 3rd book will be more interesting they will encounter sophons again but as a weapon by trisolarians which almost destroyed all the human space fleet and dark forest theory and wallfacer project hopefully will be shown in season two.
Using atomic bombs to propel a ship allows you vastly more payload mass than what our puny chemical rockets can handle. Project Orion's ship had the mass of a battleship. What reason did they give to limit the mass they are sending to the San-Ti to a few kilograms?
The speed they want to get it up to. I also suspect using the solar sail method cuts the efficiency quite a bit (but avoids the 1000G acceleration problem).
They originally planned for 1,000 nukes, and could only get like 300, so they had to cut weight.
I didn't get the introduction of the sister. They introduced an unsympathetic character just to get us to not like her?
Maybe they just wanted to establish that there was no reason for him to stick around...
Is anyone’s favorite movie The Shining?
I get liking it, maybe rewatching it 2-3 times, but favorite?
That is a little bit odd.
I think it's saying how much he probably hate his life that he took a "horror" movie as his favorite
"Room237" is a cool documentary on The Shining, mind blowing in fact.
@@IamNinjaOfNinja he didn’t say it was a favorite now. His life was generally good before he got sick, no indication of hating his life.
Some say the Tencet version is way more faithful to the books, and the science is more on point that the Netflix show.
Actually, it is the minecraft series that are the most enjoyable and faithful series. Indeed, the tencent one is very faithful, however, it lacks Visual effects. Now this is a big deal, you have seen nothing so far, second book really escalates things, and the third book just goes exponential. This will require outstanding VFX, i wonder if Netflix is capable of such task... a purely animated series, though, is much likely to achieve it.
@bz7661 it's actually is and it isn't. It has Chinese censorship and completely changes Ye Wenjie fathers death and tones down any violence or criticism of China. It's also 30 episodes that drag and makes you flashback and watch the same scenes over and over again. It also is filmed on a very amateur way
The Einstein joke was her. She is Einstein. And the Heaven she thought would be harmonious is still dreadful, you cant play with God…ONLY God gets to play instruments in Heaven, God doesn’t give many options
Yeah, the whole "'San-ti' can't lie as a species" was one of the more incredulous and silly aspects I found about the show or the narrative.
At least even if we went with the notion that they can't lie to each other on account of the fact that they are a telepathic species/hive mind (which, in itself comes with even more logic plothole problems than the story was unable to overcome), the idea that they didn't understand the concept of lying or deception even at a fundamental level that when they realized humans lie, it changed their whole view of humanity was rather laughable.
Especially given the fact that we're to believe they've had to evolve and develop several hundreds of thousands of times on their planet on account of the instability of its tri-solar system nature, and knowing that "lying" or the capacity to deceive or recognize deception is a fundamental aspect of the evolution of species - particularly at a higher level of evolution of cognitive processes and socialization with other members of the same species.
Successful species know how to "lie" or recognize "deception" among their members or in other predator/prey species they may be in competition with for resources, so the whole idea that you had this super-advanced alien species that had evolved that far (and that many times) without ever having had to overcome or navigate the capacity for deception as a necessary aspect of evolution was,........silly.
To me, anyway.
But,...it was a necessary plot contrivance to move along the story and make things happen*, so I guess we had to let it go.
(*.....put aside the annoying fact that the San-ti (somehow) created a sentient Aritificial Intelligence and supercomputer whose almost entire encounter and interaction with the human race was predicated on constantly lying to them,.....but whatever. Among many other logical inconsistencies with their whole incapacity for lying/deception/understanding deception.)
EDIT :
That'll teach me not to watch the entire introduction before typing my comment.
You covered literally everything I said in spades and far more eloquently than I could.
It's even more comforting to know that other people reached the same conclusion I did without knowing what they were thinking (or what I was thinking) just based on our common understanding of how Evolution works or is supposed to work.
Oh man, you are losing so much content by leaving the books apart, and you get some totally useless political correctness, by the way.
Please explain what scene is so politically correct? Or is it just women and a black guy are scientists