The Chicago Bulls Nightmare Just Got Worse
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- Опубликовано: 26 окт 2023
- The Bulls had an embarrassing loss at home to open their season but a bigger problem is below the surface. This is a look at what’s wrong with the Bulls and the drastic moves they need to make.
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It’s crazy how bad they lost the Vucevic trade. Magic got arguably the better center (Wendell Carter) and a rising star in Franz Wagner
Wendell Carter? Best center? No where near.
@@user-fv3jq7kq3o better than vuc for sure, worst defensive starting center in the league analytically (worse than dwight powell!!!!) and not even elite offensively
@@user-fv3jq7kq3o Wendell is better buddy he can do everything Vuc can but better defensively but Vuc would be great alongside Mobley bc they makeup for each others weaknesses
@@user-fv3jq7kq3oPreach!!
@@user-fv3jq7kq3obuddy doesn't understand the difference between better and best lmao.
Lonzo was the key, an insanely underrated player. Shame he couldn't stay healthy because they were very good and everyone had bought in
I swear !! I hate that the Bull’s point guard injury curse continues….
It was the shoes. Ball said that he had to change his shoes every quarter because they were falling apart. This is the same issue D Rose had, Kobe Bryant said that Rose shoes had no support. Same with Ball, it so sad he is a great player. Hope he can make a come back.
Lavar was right
@@LLWoods83I actually owned rose shoes and got my first knee injury lol. They were horrible and he's my fav player ever
agreed! Jeremiah 29:11 - For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. God bless! Jesus is the way and saves! Psalms 62✝🤍💪
Dude Cleveland will never give us Allen back for Vooch 💀
Literally in our dreams🤣
Ong 😂
As a Bulls fan, I would do it....
I'm not a Bulls fan, but I'm rooting for Lonzo. Seems like a good guy that just can't stay in the lineup. Plus Caruso is a monster. They were fun there for a minute.
Haha Lonzo, what a lame 😅
Forget about him. He's done
@@trebledcbut did you see the way he got up out that chair... 😂 mans will take the bulls to a 3peat.
The Ball - Caruso backcourt was perimeter defense GOLD. When paired with the offensive talents of DeRozen and LaVine, it's a good plan. Too bad you really can't do anything when injuries hit.
They would have been a good, consistent playoff team but they aren’t going anywhere with Demar and Lavine as their best players
As a Lakers Fan that trade proposal is a HARD no, that Demar trade gives me PTSD of Westbrook. Rui, Christie and 2029 1st is too steep and we must look after our future as well.
As a lakers fan, It's a hard no for me for another reason. I don't want to max out Demar for 4 more years. We need a scoring center badly. AD getting pummeled at the 5.
@@danielwhoI More like Lakers need a strong defensive center that can tank the big boys (Joker, Embiid, and Giannis) while AD plays as the backline roamer ready to go up for the block or rebound.
All those trades were a hard no
As a bull fan but also a Lebron fan (lol) you guys need a vuc, a scoring center
@@hittkid6312Lol Giannis is smaller than AD do you realize that ? Giannis can’t guard Jokic too, just watch their last game in Europe Greece vs Serbia Giannis can’t guard him in the post he is not strong and lenghty enough, the only guys in the league able to slow down the Joker are Embiid or Gobert because they are bigger than him, and maybe Wembanyama with his lenght or in 3-4 years when he’ll be 20pounds heavier and stronger… Jokic is probably the best offensive player ever, at least in the half court he is, the guy is straight up unguardable
This is such a scathing video I feel so bad for bulls fans 😭
Seeing this after zach lavine drops 51 and still lost is wild
As a bulls we probably will blow it up, we miss Lonzo 😢🥺
Chin up, I feel the next derrick rose is just around the corner in the rebuild
@@Thousandeyes85The next Derrick Rose is in Memphis and currently serving a 25 game suspension
It was a mistake playing with the idea that he could stay healthy in the first place
This is what the bulls get for trading Rose all those years ago.
@@matthewcade4249 thanks Captain Hindsight 🫡
Who tf is giving up 4 first and 2 scorers for Zach …
I think you and i are too early on here, i see no comments about this egregious proposal!
Ong lmfao lavine overrated
@@toptiercripno one rates LaVine at all outside of Chicago so how can he possibly be overrated 😂
@@user-kj6be8sf3v All of those trade ideas are horrible.
pat riley aint giving up no 4 1st round picks for an injury prone zach lavine. Pat riley wouldnt even give up 4 first round picks for dame, why would u think that stingy old geezer will give up that many picks for zach. At most he would give is probably just 1 2nd round pick lol.
Raptors traded DeRozan for a player that has a similar play style but can actually defend then won a title in the same season
Where have you been. Nothing can fix the bulls but GOD. I’m from Chicago I gave up on them after they resigned Vuc ..
Thing is, Ball did make a lot of difference not only for his playmaking but especially brcause of his court vision on offense and especially on defence, his ability to switch and guard almost any position. DeRozan and Lavine are good players who are great only when they function in a system. Vuc is extremely overrated.
As a Bulls fans, the FO isn't blowing it up sadly. Also, that Lavine trade would be an absolute fleece job on our part. The Heat allegedly didn't offer all that for Dame, but they will for Lavine?
As much as I loved watching the Deballzach, it's way way past time to blow this thing up for a fresh and true rebuild.
Deballzach was so good. Smh
Deballzack?😂
Lavine is at a better bargain than Dame. Also, the Miami Heat could have checked the couch cushions, but still couldn't come up with much more for Dame. They are strapped on picks and loaded with overpaid players.
The Bulls are run by bean counters. That's a known fact. Once that attendance started to drop off, they began making some moves. What I mean by "moves", is that they improve the team just enough so they can start gaining attention again. They double down on marketing, sell this improved squad as some championship contender to a fan base that is stuck in the 90s.
Rinse. Lather. Repeat. They've been doing this since MJ left.
Outside of 2011 (2012 was wasted), I feel like the Bulls are such a mystery on how the front office can't properly function as one to create a true contending team. This team has also been facing injuries that shaped the Bulls why they're suffering it right now.
because most of the fans are addicted to a bad product like a drug addict. i thought adults were more responsible than this. i get it if teenagers are supporting this nonsense but adults need to do better than enable the bulls FO to continue down this path.
Can we talk about Andre Drummond breaking Chet's ankles tho🤣🤣🤣🤣
ONlY fiRsT gAmE
Any trade that includes Hachimura in it is not gonna work. He is a perfect fit for the Lakers
If I'm a Sixers fan, the concern over Embiid's patience is legit. With all the dramas he's been dealing with over the past few years, it's not weird to think that his patience is thinner than before
All boils down on how that Harden trade will evolve
You do have to wonder if Embiid is thinking about Charles Barkley and wasting an entire All-Star career in Philadelphia, then coming away with nothing for it in the end.
im sorry, but there is NO WAY that the lakers would do that deal 🤣rui and d'low are already to valuable to trade away, same with max christie. and its not like demar fills a gap, they dont really have a gap in talent on their team, and if the problem is that they are losing bc lebron isnt playing much, they will dimply bump up his playing time - easier fix than trading 3 valuable assets
D’Lo valuable ? 🤣
Only rui being in the trade ion like trade dlo he trash
Bulls gotta blow it up. They should have last year. Derozan and Lavine are great players but you aren't going anywhere with them as your best players in 2023 in an Eastern Conference that got better. They need to trade the whole roster except for Maybe Ayo and Coby.
Man it’s tough being a Bulls fan. You just don’t know which direction they wanna go. DeMar, Lonzo, Lavine and Vooch experiment was looking okay back in Jan 2022, but then again injuries and chemistry issues arose again…. If rebuild is the way to go by summer then just do it asap. I have a small hope tho that this video does not age well if the Bulls can somehow turn it around by All Star break.
So things look bleak for the Bulls. I’m trying not to lose faith in the front office as I loved their moves. Whatever happens, I hope they make the right decisions after this season is over.
How can you like their moves?
@@Andrew-ms8md did you not pay attention to when they had Lonzo healthy? Think about how much better they could be if they had someone on the team with a $20M salary. That has handcuffed them severely, even more so without the skill sets that Lonzo offers. So yeah, I loved all their initial moves. I just hope they can do the same once a direction is clear with this team as it is now
Bro, why are you "trying not to lose faith" in Bulls management ... They're absolute bums. They're not serious about building a championship contender. DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY!
@@MixMasterMaj I don’t give anyone my money. I am just a fan that tries to watch from southern Illinois. And I still have faith in this front office, even if you don’t. BULLS WIN!
@@robkelly8940 but they moved Lauri for essentially nothing, Carter and a first that turned into Franz for an at the time 30 year old Vuch, and traded assets for an at the time 32 year old DeRozan. Neither of which is on Levine's timeline. If they had done absolutely nothing the Bulls would have prime Levine, entering prime Lauri and Carter. And IF the picks went like Casey mentioned, the starting five could have been Haliburton, Levine, Franz, Lauri, Wendell. All 28 and under
I think they will make the play-in. However, I think they are fighting an uphill losing battle. It's probably best they blow it up.
Things have been looking bad for them for the last like 15 years 😂
Slow asl
15 years ago they drafted an MVP calm down lol
@@Teeki46common bulls fan lmaooo since D-Rose got injured y’all have sucked
It’s been looking bad since Roses downfall
Facts bro. Facts 😔 tough being a Bulls fan
The editorializing is on point but these trades are hilarious 😂 who on earth would take Vuc over Jarrett Allen??
Me
Yeah, Vuc has had a super solid career actually. A 20 and 10 guy most seasons.
he’s had a rough start to the season but he’s consistently been a top 10-15 center in the league the last 4 years his double double production is nice and sustainable. he just lacks defensively
Great video! Yes the Bulls definitely should've made some major changes this past off-season. They clearly need to rebuild. Although I'm from Chicago, I'm thankful I'm not a Bulls fan. During the Michael Jordan era, I still existed, but based on how young I was at the time, just wasn't into NBA basketball.
All great trades except the Lavine one heat not giving that much away
Yup, esp. w/ Lavine's injury history...that price is too steep. Derozen would probably love to go to LA though (not an LA fan I just know he's from Cali).
I don't think the Heat really care all that much about a Herro replacement.
@@timmytheinventor4746 as they shouldn’t if anything they should be trying to replace Jimmy who is 34 years old and can’t shoot
@@_Ty6 Jimmy is still a top 25 player in the game though. LaVine is not better than him.
Well said, Jerry Reinsdorf is the consistent problem and why they won't do anything until he is gone. Look at the White Sox. They have the same exact problems as the Bulls.
As a Bulls fan, those are actually pretty good trade ideas. But I feel like FO won't be doing trades anytime soon. Maybe at least before trade deadline. I see them making moves in the off-season
Do u think the FO will trade out of Demar before the deadline for value ?
@@Joefdgtr maybe. But I think it's more probable to see him get traded after a playoff loss or specially if they miss getting on the playoffs
Nah that heat trade is cheeks, I'd rather we trade with the Knicks. Heat are known for drafting gems and will always sneak into the playoffs with hustle alone, also we don't want Herro or Robinson. Jovic and Jaime are more enticing
@@saltysolution4127 tbf, Jaime and Jovic are really good prospects and they'd fit better with the Current bulls if we are to make a rebuild. But in terms of who has better trade value, I think Herro is better. If anything, I'd rather want Bam tho.
The Knicks giving us Barret sounds nice too. Better give us a bunch of picks tho
There's no way that trade idea with the Lakers will happen. We just got rid of an aging star that cost us KCP, Kuzma, and a bunch of picks. We don't want to deal with that again.
This what happens when you have no patience developing with your players, I'm still looking forward to guys like Bagley and Wiseman to improve lol
As always, great job! You are comprehensive in your approach. You are able to put together the immediate events with the apparently remote ones. History explains the present situation. Great job.
His trades are 🗑
Best basketball channel
Hell no 😂😂
Johnny arnett
Ong bro videos are never boring
OKC is the process part 2. More possibilities but not as top heavy. The thunder seems like they have to deliberately trade useful players every season in order to not exceed expectations. I love your thoughts on Chicago doing this. I'm a piston fan but for entertainment value, these are the way I hope team decisions would shape the league
A.M. my guy, love your videos bro. Informative, entertaining, organized and always on the perfect time. Big Love 🫶🏽✊🏾
As a Spurs fan I never understood the Bulls trading a first for DeRozan and was thrilled to get one for a guy I just wanted gone. Demar was always amazing the first half of the season in San Antonio but then the second half when good players and teams would start ramping up his game would seriously fall off, so Chicago's season when he got there was no surprise at all to me.
Thing is though the bulls have done what we always ask teams to do - try and go all in, even if it doesn’t pay off. So many teams just wait and wait and it never happens… they just tread water for years. At least the bulls pulled the trigger. If Lonzo was healthy it could have looked very different, and nobody can predict that.
bulls need MJ to come out of retirement asap
Lol
well u def dont want mj running your organization. Look at what he did to the hornets.
Dude said Vucevic for Jarett Allen that is insane LOL. Cavs is not accepting that no matter what convincing you do
The problem with doing good early after moves like they did is it convinced them they could win with that group so instead of moving the older guys they doubled down and made bad moves because they believe. Believing in something that doesn't work well it doesn't work. Bulls must unload and start a true rebuild they are years passing when they should have but better late than never.
Whats annoying is on paper they have a great roster, but their most important player, Lonzo, can’t stay healthy. When he’s healthy, that team looks like a very competitive team and exceeds in almost every category.
Lonzo really was the straw that stirred the drink for that team. I don't think people realize how much he does for a team's offense because he doesn't have crazy numbers and his shooting form was atrocious his first few years. Before his injuries he was a fantastic defender too.
In regards to the 2020 draft, they got a guy in PW that averaged the same scoring and rebounding for the whole NBA season that he averaged in college. He also started 71 games for them that year and took the least amount of shots of the starters and was 1st or second in steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls. Not bad for a rookie. Halliburton came into that draft out of college with a fractured wrist and this was Coby White's first full season as the starting PG, the guy they had drafted the year before. As always, hindsight is 20/20. I mean, the Pistons took an actual PG in the draft at 7 and got Killian Hayes instead of Halliburton. That dude is averaging 8 pts and 5 assists for his career.
I appreciate having some sort of coherent explanation for the Bulls' amazing underperformance. I've only watched it from a distance, and it's been puzzling.
I am beyond happy for ty Haliburton. He is from the state I live in, and the dude was a stud in high school and is continuing to show out and make Wisconsin proud of him!
Thanks for all the nba news AM
Bro you have the best NBA channel hands down thank you
As a bulls fan.. I AM DOWN BAD RN! we are so bad.
Thanks for this podcast 👍
Been a bulls fan since Rose MVP season and its been miserable ever since. I like all your trades, I just want to win again, loss to OKC made me pissed. Blow it up while everyones value is high
I have to admit, at first I kinda hated your voice, your demeanor, your videos just popped in my suggestions since I've been watching a lot of similar content NBA related. Now, the way you're talking and also the finesse of your analysis in particular about the trade market, intentions of the GM. It seems you know what you're talking about and when you were wrong you also admit it. Now i'm glad to see you posted a new video and I watch it every time. Congratulations ;)
miami isnt giving up 4 1st round picks for an injury prone zach lavine. They werent even willing to give that many picks for dame, what makes u think pat riley will give 4 first round picks? As for the cavs, they are not going to trade jared allen for vooch. Vooch is old. If the cavs wanted a big man that can score they would've kept lauri markannen who at the time average about 15 ppg when he was on the cavs roster as a backup player. Vooch is too old for the cavs. Lakers wont send 3 players just to get 1 old dude in demar derozan, that would completely gut their bench which is bad as it already. Also, lakers are def not going to give up that 2029 first round pick that easily for just derozan. All 3 of your trade proposals are not happening.
As a Celtics fan derozan to sixers or Lakers haunts my current dreams. But Levine has gotten no better and that’s been the real problem.
That Heat trade is atrocious. No way they do something that dumb. Like omfg 4 firsts with Herro and Robinson. WTF, LaVine is a bust half of the time anyway. If he were worth that maybe he could’ve beat Miami last year himself. Horrible idea
I'm unsure by now if it's the front office or the ownership in Chicago as they always try to compete but never do a proper rebuild
Things have been looking bad for them for the last like 15 years😂😂
Can't blame Patrick Williams averaging under 10 ppg when he has 3 all stars who are score first iso players(except voc) and can't play defense. Plus pats game right now is similar to DeMar's game, iso midrange and I don't think he'll able to showcase his offensive versatility if those 3 remains with the bulls.
im a magic fan and the bulls shit the bed making that trade
bulls get: nikola vucevic
magic get:
-carter jr, our center for the future
-franz wagner, whos our SF for the future and is probably gonna form a duo with banchero
-jett howard, this pick was bad in my opinion but at the end the bulls should probably blow it up while the magic are likely going to be a future franchise and could sneak into the playoffs this season
and after game 1 of 2023 even though it doesnt mean that much yet:
-magic blew out a young team at home, the rockets by 30, defense looked great as they held them to 86 points
-bulls got blown out at home by a young team, the thunder, SGA looked amazing and giddey and williams had 16 pts each
I like how you read that comment at 1:18 like his idiotic self didn't forget the word "BE" before champs. I was weak when you read it how he wrote it, and with enthusiasm too. 🤣 😭
Surely I absolutely feel bad for Chicago Bulls fans because y’all don’t deserve this and I feel like they’re going to get rid of DeMar DeRozan, Nikola, Vucevic and Lonzo Ball but it’s just so early and already people think that the Bulls are gonna have a bad season again it’s way too early
I do not think it would take that much to get Lavine. If that deal exists and I’m Chicago I make that trade right now and worry about the other two guys later.
6:42 “To win them multiple playoff games” LMFAOOOO Since when does Demar win playoff games
Not saying they 100% would have pulled the trigger on Tyrese or Franz but a lineup of Tyrese, Franz, Lavine, Lauri, and Carter would be pretty hard to beat right now. Goes to show when fan outrage drives decision making, dumb decisions get made
lavine to the heat for that package is crazy
I don't know if Lavine is 4 picks better than Herro tbh. I'd give that up for Lillard in a heart beat but not Lavine. Bulls need a bunch of picks for Lavine to make it worth and I don't think Miami's the team willing to do it.
Crazy how it all went down hill once lonzo got injured
My Raptors just lost for this so called "most miserable team in the NBA", shit sucks
I'm getting tired of seeing people say the Heat gain access to more 1sts by doing a deal with OKC. OKC is in trouble with all the picks they have. They don't have the room for them, and with an aging team like Miami, OKC would prefer the pick to become a 2026 1st, which likely will already happen.
OKC needs to push picks into the future, not unlock more picks quicker. If Miami could get OKC to take the 2025 without protections, they would have a long time ago.
Zach Lavine to Miami doesn’t scare me at all lol especially if you’re taking Herro if their roster
NO! That Demar trade is wack 😭
“We gonna champs” lolololollol I’m hollin
100% agree
Bulls pls rebuild and follow the trade suggestion
Yup, this team seems like they don't like the cut of each others jibs...maybe this is finally the year they blow it up🤞🏿
As a Cavs fan there’s no world I want Vuc on my team. Taking JA all day every day
Alot of the bulls players feel
like the front office treats them like children
As a Heat fan I totally disagree with you on this and think HERRO is a way better player than Zach plus Herro is younger player and said he is on a revenge tour this season so he’s going to be averaging 30 ppg mark my words
I’m a Heat fan as well but 30 for Herro is 😂 I’ll be happy if he gives us an efficient 20-25. Agreed Lavine isn’t that much better to warrant a trade. If Lavine played defense I would at least consider it.
@@superbiaant Bro Herro is going to average minimum 30 trust
That demar trade insight to lakers was wild lmao
What about Nikola Vucevic to the Warriors. We have plenty of assets for the Bulls. Maybe a package around Moses Moody etc and picks might help us get some size3
You can include Pat Will in those "players who gotta go" list.
That lakers demar trade is dumb af. He’s not worth those players.
I like the Heat trade, but the question is if they pulled it.
instead of rebuilding they went all in on Building around Zach Lavine which was a big mistake. Zach is a good player but not one you build your team around.
Exactly
Lauri Markkanen was the gold nugget. Boylen the clown.
"Might be the most miserable team in the NBA..."
Philly might have something to say about that...
wizards are the most miserable team in the nba. Philly still has a winning record, joel embiid the mvp, and a rising star in tyrese maxey. Wizards have absolutely nobody and the front office cant do shit correctly.
These trades were sht man 😭
I still don't understand how any team looks at Vucevic and thinks "yeah, that's what we need." All you had to do is look at the fact his 20 and 10 basketball in Orlando never got them past 10th place. Why? Because he doesn't protect the rim, nor play tough inside, so it changes the makeup of your defense when you have a soft player at the anchor. Especially if your other two stars are one-sided players who just play defense long enough to get the ball back.
This team is Lazy, un-committed, un-energetic and cannot play D. The coach is terrible too. This year, Zach is not the same!
DeMar is maybe favorite player.. or top 3... 5.. current personal favorite
(Alongside Jimmy Butler, Steph, DAaron Fox & Ja... Kyrie also in the mix)
I wouldn't like to see him playing with "mr selfproclaimed" if it goes right, he gets the credit if it goes bad DeMar is the scapegoat like they already painted Russ...
Maximizes Demar’s value but the main asset of the deal is Max Christie?? Even with DLo and Rui + the first, I feel like they would rather trade for a young player to build around rather than possibly whiffing in the draft again
Agree with what your saying, but did you see OKC last night? It was a nightmare. Sure it was against the champs, but common!
I used to not believe the media's narrative on the Bulls, but this time, it's very evident that they're in big trouble.
No one giving up 4 first round picks for lavine …. This guy trippin’
Honestly as a bulls fan, we haven’t had a true talent since DRose. I won’t count jimmy cause he didn’t develop until he left. We’ve just been awful and hopeless ever since lol
My Thunder are puttin that pressure on em!
It’s been a miserable couple of seasons being a Bulls fan
OKC and Utah are 2 teams that understand how to actually rebuild and manage a team appropriately
Lavine to me is another version of kat. Guys that get their stats but do absolutely nothing for a team to win. Real basketball fans are not fooled by their self serving play
Someone on the bulls must have watched this before the game and force a win tonight
They did good on bringing in the players they got, the big mistake they made is to get this bomb coach, when you get good talent you can't get any coach, so don't put it all on the players they got now.
I’m a bulls fan and I wasn’t that delusional 😭 😂
why is my team like this bro 😭
nice travel by Shai at the start lol