The entire time i was like, "NO NO NO, you CANNOT ask her out and breach the doctor-patient relationship. That's literally exploitation, seeing as you are providing her care. You can't ask her out until she stops being one of your patients." But on the OTHER hand.......if Namjoon were my psychiatrist, oof...............................all bets are off
I don't know if Psychiatrists are bound by the ethical codes in Psychology, but there is also a code wherein psychologists and their clients must cease contact for around 3 years after the last therapy session if they want to start dating and be accepted by the association. This is mainly to combat compulsive decisions due to counter-/transference.
Honestly? Same! 😂 I was like, *"NEVER, EVER, EVER DATE A PATIENT! Refer her to a different doctor!".* 😤 But being alone with Namjoon in a private office doesn't sound like a bad idea either. 😏
The answer is to not treat this patient and refer to another psychiatrist. Feelings are distractions and you wont be able to make rational decisions (especially psychiatry).
oh my gosh, this is so on point jdjfjsjsjfj i mean, i guess it would apply to a lot of doctors, not only to psychiatrists, but also like surgeons. not saying that it is not impossible (to treat someone while having emotions and feelings for the patient), but ensuring a patient’s safety is first, so it is important that a doctor is not going to be hurdled by any emotion or urge in order to make rational decisions.
@@gray-zb7zr Thank you. I only mentioned psychiatry to match the above context. Most doctors( including surgeons) are fine with emotions unless its something too invasive and life threatening. Psychiatry is about emotions. Every step is rational and calculated.
Oh boy! They really downplayed this scenario. The immediate answer should be not to treat that client and refer the client to another psychiatrist. If you are applying to medical school to be a psychiatrist, you should have already learn ethics and duty to protect. Counter-transference is a common problem in the mental health field and it causes more harm than good for the client.
Because korean watch kdrama lol, there's this kdrama called it's okay it's love with patient-psychiatrist love story with happy ending 😂 maybe they're answer were influenced by this.
This seems to be a very cool show. Just people chilling and talking about certain topics. I think I'd like it a lot if I was south korean/had access to it on my TV.
I usually have a smile on my face when watching clips of this show: this is not one of those times. I almost cried from how wrong they answered that first question. This just shows how differently people in other parts of the world think. But I can’t help but feel disappointed in these men😔😩
Not like that...ppl who don't know a thing about medical would probably come with such an answer, they all just had a more filmy type of approach to the situation (wt we usually see in drama's)..not everyone knows about mind and it's functioning
4:48 yes it's true! As a psychology student myself, I learnt this from my seniors and my professors that we as psychologists cannot treat or give therapy to those people whom we know because we became biased to that person and as a result of that we might not focus on how to really help the patient out but rather focus on what's the cause of it. I think this applies to doctors too. If I'm not wrong I think they're not allowed to do surgery or anything like that to the person with whom they have emotional ties.
Even though I know barely anything about psychiatry or medicine, I do know that there is some rule or law in place regarding ethics where a doctor and patient are not allowed to go out.
상담과 진료가 비슷한 인권논리를 가지고 있다면 치료 진행 중엔 환자와 사적인 관계를 가지면 안되는 것을 알고 있습니다 이상형에게 사귀자고 제안할 의지가 있다는 것을 전제로 한다면, 치료가 종결되었을 때는 종결 후 고백하여 사귀고 치료 중인 상태나 처음 만난 상태라면 믿을 만한 다른 의사에게 인계함과 동시에 고백하여 사귀고 조력자로서 또는 조력이 방해된다면 그저 애인으로서 이상형을 도와주면 된다고 생각합니다 상대의 불안감이나 노출감은 다른 의사에게 인계함으로서 첫째로 조금 줄어들었을 것이고, 다른 방법은 제가 아직 모르기 때문에 심리학책이나 심리학관계자에게 많이 물어 배우면서 사랑하겠습니다
Tbh I do know a woman who married her psychiatrist. She's fine now, they had a son and a daughter and they're good together. I think this scenario is actually not uncommon, since as Freud said, the relationship between therapist and patient has always these kind of "undertones". But ofc if the situation gets out of hand the therapist should stop treating the patient and find them a new psychiatrist.
*NEVER* 👏🏻 *EVER* 👏🏻 *EVER* 👏🏻 *DATE* 👏🏻 *A* 👏🏻 *PATIENT* 👏🏻 The correct answer is to refer the patient to a different doctor and distance yourself from the whole situation. On top of the fact that it's against basically every rule in the book to treat a patient you are emotionally/romantically involved with (even family), the power dynamic between doctor and patient puts the patient in a very vulnerable position. Especially in the case of a psychiatrist, there's every chance that the patient might have a delicate or completely unbalanced mental state, which makes them even more vulnerable. Using your position to pressure her into a relationship is unethical, predatory and illegal. If a patient is in not in a healthy state of mind, she is not on equal footing with her doctor and any romantic/sexual connection between the two would be toxic from Day 1. Just don't do it. Swing and a miss this time, Namjoon! I'm a bit disappointed he didn't see this glaringly obvious point, but nobody's perfect. Onto the next video! 😁💜
This is actually quite similar to how some of the applications for med school in brazil works. Like they would give u a hypothetical situation, for example: 5 people are about to get hit by a train. There is no way u can stop the train, but u can change it’s course. However, if u do change it’s course, 2 other people that were in this other path are going to be hit by it. What would u do? There is no right answer for this, they just wanna a discussion of what would do and why
they do that here in Australia, there is no right answer but you must stick to your beliefs. If you change your mind they think your not a good candidate. There are other questions like which value is most important for a doctor, and what are your beliefs on abortion or euthanasia etc.
WTF are these questions lol. I’m an American student preparing to go to med school and I can assure you that they don’t ask you about dating patients in your interview
Lauryn Hendry not really. A med school interview is not really the place for that. You talk about meaningful volunteer and clinical experiences. Research you have completed. Stuff like that. While it’s important to understand that a doctor-patient relationship ain’t right, that’s not something to address in your interview.
hello ARMY, please tell me, "these question that were asked here” is there a kind of common name for them.( the questions ) like I want to find more of them. please tell me if you know. I’m sorry if I bothered, but I really want to know, I am not native English, that’s why please tell me if you know.
"After care forever"... 😂😂 It not good to date a person who is vulnerable due to a mental illness. RM sounded closest to a best answer. I don't think it's good to date a patient.
there is this strict rule in psychiatry that you can not date your patients no matter what because your egos are not at the same level and one (patients most of the times) would feel inferior to their partner who used to be their healer. for a psychiatrist, there should be an authority to be able to cure their patients or they won't be able to do anything useful. this is my point of view on this question.
Si lo operaria porque es mi deber como mèdico ante un herido, sin embargo hablaria con la policia para que este señor tan pronto como se recupere sea encarcelado por atentado a violaciòn y registron penales anteriores.
Dating your psychiatrist is creepy!!! Like they will know things about you that you don't want anyone else to know, you will be so vulnerable in your relationship. And as a doctor when you have feelings at stake there is a conflict of interest and you might not be able to objectively treat that person.
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The channels are becoming so clever that they just have put RM's face in the thumbnail so i would click on it
Pavithra sreekanth agree. And after see how good the questions are, I want to watch the full show!
they want now clout, they uploaded after 5 years later LOL
Every k media do same thing to get viewer
Tamil??
You're so trueeeeeeeee, I click because of rm face🙈🙈🙈🙈😂
The entire time i was like, "NO NO NO, you CANNOT ask her out and breach the doctor-patient relationship. That's literally exploitation, seeing as you are providing her care. You can't ask her out until she stops being one of your patients." But on the OTHER hand.......if Namjoon were my psychiatrist, oof...............................all bets are off
I don't know if Psychiatrists are bound by the ethical codes in Psychology, but there is also a code wherein psychologists and their clients must cease contact for around 3 years after the last therapy session if they want to start dating and be accepted by the association. This is mainly to combat compulsive decisions due to counter-/transference.
@@nope3926 You are right. Psychiatrists are held with the same ethical codes.
Honestly? Same! 😂 I was like, *"NEVER, EVER, EVER DATE A PATIENT! Refer her to a different doctor!".* 😤 But being alone with Namjoon in a private office doesn't sound like a bad idea either. 😏
😂😂i was thinking the same thing lol
The answer is to not treat this patient and refer to another psychiatrist. Feelings are distractions and you wont be able to make rational decisions (especially psychiatry).
oh my gosh, this is so on point jdjfjsjsjfj
i mean, i guess it would apply to a lot of doctors, not only to psychiatrists, but also like surgeons. not saying that it is not impossible (to treat someone while having emotions and feelings for the patient), but ensuring a patient’s safety is first, so it is important that a doctor is not going to be hurdled by any emotion or urge in order to make rational decisions.
@@gray-zb7zr Thank you. I only mentioned psychiatry to match the above context. Most doctors( including surgeons) are fine with emotions unless its something too invasive and life threatening. Psychiatry is about emotions. Every step is rational and calculated.
That was my immediate reaction - it’s basically recusing yourself - but because there is a power imbalance more than having the feelings
Oh boy! They really downplayed this scenario. The immediate answer should be not to treat that client and refer the client to another psychiatrist. If you are applying to medical school to be a psychiatrist, you should have already learn ethics and duty to protect. Counter-transference is a common problem in the mental health field and it causes more harm than good for the client.
^^^^ This
Exactly
Because korean watch kdrama lol, there's this kdrama called it's okay it's love with patient-psychiatrist love story with happy ending 😂 maybe they're answer were influenced by this.
THANK YOU! 😂👏🏻💜 I was getting ready to respond with this *exact* answer and now I don't have to. 😁
This seems to be a very cool show. Just people chilling and talking about certain topics. I think I'd like it a lot if I was south korean/had access to it on my TV.
I usually have a smile on my face when watching clips of this show: this is not one of those times. I almost cried from how wrong they answered that first question. This just shows how differently people in other parts of the world think. But I can’t help but feel disappointed in these men😔😩
Not like that...ppl who don't know a thing about medical would probably come with such an answer, they all just had a more filmy type of approach to the situation (wt we usually see in drama's)..not everyone knows about mind and it's functioning
4:48 yes it's true! As a psychology student myself, I learnt this from my seniors and my professors that we as psychologists cannot treat or give therapy to those people whom we know because we became biased to that person and as a result of that we might not focus on how to really help the patient out but rather focus on what's the cause of it. I think this applies to doctors too. If I'm not wrong I think they're not allowed to do surgery or anything like that to the person with whom they have emotional ties.
Creat a playlist that every episode RM in it please!
The thought of a doctor hitting on me while i'm in his care grosses me out. but if that doctor was namjoon... well... 😏😏
Same😜💜
Even though I know barely anything about psychiatry or medicine, I do know that there is some rule or law in place regarding ethics where a doctor and patient are not allowed to go out.
엄마손은 약속이요..? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 오타 나신 건가요? 흐ㅡ흫흫ㅎ
그래서...입학결과는요...?
뒤에 부분도 같이 편집해주시면 안되나요...ㅠ
상담과 진료가 비슷한 인권논리를 가지고 있다면
치료 진행 중엔 환자와 사적인 관계를 가지면 안되는 것을 알고 있습니다
이상형에게 사귀자고 제안할 의지가 있다는 것을 전제로 한다면,
치료가 종결되었을 때는 종결 후 고백하여 사귀고
치료 중인 상태나 처음 만난 상태라면
믿을 만한 다른 의사에게 인계함과 동시에 고백하여 사귀고
조력자로서 또는 조력이 방해된다면 그저 애인으로서
이상형을 도와주면 된다고 생각합니다
상대의 불안감이나 노출감은 다른 의사에게 인계함으로서 첫째로 조금 줄어들었을 것이고,
다른 방법은 제가 아직 모르기 때문에 심리학책이나 심리학관계자에게 많이 물어
배우면서 사랑하겠습니다
Tbh I do know a woman who married her psychiatrist. She's fine now, they had a son and a daughter and they're good together.
I think this scenario is actually not uncommon, since as Freud said, the relationship between therapist and patient has always these kind of "undertones". But ofc if the situation gets out of hand the therapist should stop treating the patient and find them a new psychiatrist.
*NEVER* 👏🏻
*EVER* 👏🏻
*EVER* 👏🏻
*DATE* 👏🏻
*A* 👏🏻
*PATIENT* 👏🏻
The correct answer is to refer the patient to a different doctor and distance yourself from the whole situation. On top of the fact that it's against basically every rule in the book to treat a patient you are emotionally/romantically involved with (even family), the power dynamic between doctor and patient puts the patient in a very vulnerable position. Especially in the case of a psychiatrist, there's every chance that the patient might have a delicate or completely unbalanced mental state, which makes them even more vulnerable. Using your position to pressure her into a relationship is unethical, predatory and illegal. If a patient is in not in a healthy state of mind, she is not on equal footing with her doctor and any romantic/sexual connection between the two would be toxic from Day 1. Just don't do it.
Swing and a miss this time, Namjoon! I'm a bit disappointed he didn't see this glaringly obvious point, but nobody's perfect. Onto the next video! 😁💜
where is RM part??? just for second ???
yall using RM fame
Add English sub please. RM looks so handsome!
Brinkley Star turn on cc now english subtitle is available~
Yess
Hyun Moo's answer is unethical😂😅
SO unethical! I was waiting for RM to check him and he didn't. I'm slightly disappointed. He should know better than that. 😂
It really is, to the point that I was actually cringing the entire time.
Gracias por la traducción
This is actually quite similar to how some of the applications for med school in brazil works. Like they would give u a hypothetical situation, for example: 5 people are about to get hit by a train. There is no way u can stop the train, but u can change it’s course. However, if u do change it’s course, 2 other people that were in this other path are going to be hit by it. What would u do?
There is no right answer for this, they just wanna a discussion of what would do and why
omg the trolley problem! it's a classic experiment in ethics studies
they do that here in Australia, there is no right answer but you must stick to your beliefs. If you change your mind they think your not a good candidate. There are other questions like which value is most important for a doctor, and what are your beliefs on abortion or euthanasia etc.
RM 💜💜💜
WTF are these questions lol. I’m an American student preparing to go to med school and I can assure you that they don’t ask you about dating patients in your interview
Maya Holt um they should tho and about having sexual relationships with your patients
Lauryn Hendry not really. A med school interview is not really the place for that. You talk about meaningful volunteer and clinical experiences. Research you have completed. Stuff like that. While it’s important to understand that a doctor-patient relationship ain’t right, that’s not something to address in your interview.
it might not bre asked, but i think in real life, this is happening tho'.
I see it as anothey way to understand your character
Not all schools will ask this but I'm sure some schools do ask these
hello ARMY,
please tell me, "these question that were asked here” is there a kind of common name for them.( the questions )
like I want to find more of them.
please tell me if you know.
I’m sorry if I bothered, but I really want to know, I am not native English, that’s why
please tell me if you know.
"After care forever"... 😂😂 It not good to date a person who is vulnerable due to a mental illness. RM sounded closest to a best answer. I don't think it's good to date a patient.
there is this strict rule in psychiatry that you can not date your patients no matter what because your egos are not at the same level and one (patients most of the times) would feel inferior to their partner who used to be their healer. for a psychiatrist, there should be an authority to be able to cure their patients or they won't be able to do anything useful. this is my point of view on this question.
환자는 정신과의사에게 거짓은 배제하고 사실만을 말해야 하는데 감정이 개입한다면 숨기는게 많아질거고 방어적으로 될 수록 치료는 늦어질테니까... 안될거라고 생각함
그리고 한승연씨 평가는 왜 잘라버리셨나요?
Si lo operaria porque es mi deber como mèdico ante un herido, sin embargo hablaria con la policia para que este señor tan pronto como se recupere sea encarcelado por atentado a violaciòn y registron penales anteriores.
우리 남주니 의대가면 안돼...😭 물론 가면 거기서도 한획을 긋겠지만 남주니는 다른거해야해
수술하면 의료사고날것갇다 파괴력이
💜💜💜💜💜🌍💜💜
which episode is this?
엄마 손은 약손...
여성 패널이 있음에도 의사가 (이성애자)남성인 것으로 전제하는 것도 그지같고..
환자입장에선 병 고치러 찾은 병원에서 상대가 나를 찝적거릴 대상으로 보고있는 거네요 무슨 의대문제가 이렇게 환자배제적인지
뭔 개소리지 이게
I found out all thumbnail is RM, marketing strategy waahh they know people will click if some of BTS face there
우와 방탄이다
우왕!
@@이하연-o9k 우왕! 이름 그대로 귀요 ((퍽
Dating your psychiatrist is creepy!!! Like they will know things about you that you don't want anyone else to know, you will be so vulnerable in your relationship. And as a doctor when you have feelings at stake there is a conflict of interest and you might not be able to objectively treat that person.
이 문제가 어디서 나왔었더라? 아시나요?
치명상을 입은 범죄자가 찾아왔다면
치료를 할 것인가? 신고할 것인가?
그래서 한승연의 대답은 뭐였죠??
ㅠㅠ 한승연ㅠㅠ 죻당