When I added fruit to my carnivore diet, I was hungry all day….maybe I just have too much metabolic damage. If I was fit/healthy/active all my life I think I’d be good with fruit and meat, but for me, for now I have to cut out the fruit. If it works for you, great! I’m glad your healthy and happy.
Contrary to what so many others say, I’ll eat 1-2 bananas a day, maybe an apple, and a handful of berries. About 75% of this before a workout. The fruit does not spark my sugar cravings .. it curbs it. Interesting how we’re all so different!
I just started this low carb journey, I feel great for a few weeks I started to add some fruit and my glucose spikes are really high , The honey in the morning doesn't spike glucose levels that much.
"after reading these comments i don’t know what to eat anymore" I have the same problem, and so does Saladino. He likes fruit and honey, so he finds a way to justify it. I wish he was correct, as I too would like to eat fruit and honey. The truth is they spike your insulin, and tax your liver. Maybe there is no correct answer?
Hi, Don’t be discouraged. Do you know your bloodtype? Dr Peter D’Adamo. Proper food combining Harvey Diamond and Shelton and DuBelle (3 experts) and now Dr Paul. I am taking notice of oxalates and vegetables and cutting them out of my diet. But I eat starch for lunch so I want to have a raw veggie with it to avoid the spike so haven’t given up celery and carrots yet. All protein for dinner with no veggies. Fruit for breakfast on empty stomach until noon. Starch for lunch with celery plus maybe carrots. I believe Dr Paul and Dr Chafee about veggies. All protein for dinner no veggies. Everything I eat agrees with my bloodtype B. 💖😊🍉
Carnivore for 3 years. I added about 1 tablespoon of honey a day split in 3rds for 3 snacks a day. I mix it in a big chunk of butter and eat it that way. Still testing in deep purple ketosis on the keto sticks, and hasn't caused any cravings. I do high fat carnivore, so about ~80% fat ~20% protein, and of course whatever the ~10g carbs from the honey adds to carb percentage. I may try adding in a little fruit to see what happens, but right now I'm content.
natural foods wont cause you stupidly high cravings. Honey is in a complex, added sugars and synthetic sugar like dextrose and maltodextrin are man made and WILL make you crave sugar.
@@RandomHuTaoSimp honey has a GI index of 58, sugar is 60. The problem with sugar is it being empty calories, consumed in isolation (no fat or fiber alongside it), and not being pbysically active prior or after its consumption.
@@havibabi GI index are meaningless. You want to look at overall fasting insulin instead. Raw organic honey actually improves fasting insulin given you diet and activity is good. Enzymes believe it or not can make natural sugars beneficial. The problem comes with processing. The gi index you looked at probably refers to overall honey. Remember that glyphosate can also add to immediate glocuse response. Most dont know this
I have been following an animal-based diet carnivore with some fruit and honey. I have followed a strict carnivore before and although I did lose excess fat quicker, I never felt my best mind you I was a strict carnivore so well over a year and keto for several years before that. I just feel better with some honey and fruit that said if you have excess fat to lose, it’s going to take longer, I can tell you that for a fact.
Good information. I'm doing Carnivore with only eggs and cheese besides higher fat meat. I'm considering adding berries and raw honey at some point. I don't have fat to lose and carnivore is making me lose weight so I may need some good carbs.
I ate an insane amount of fat and meat doing carnivore (I’m a 27 year old woman) and I began to feel like absolute crap. I did keto for a year before that so I was already over the “keto flu”. I tried exercising and didn’t even have the energy. I started eating fruit and honey and a little white rice and I feel so much better.
I don't think fruit and honey are inherintly dangerous. That being said, many who start the carnivore diet are trying to heal autoimmune disease/leaky gut and a strict meat elimination diet has to be implemented for a period of time to seal the gut lining first. I look forward to reintroducing fruits in the near future, but I think it's important to make the distinction as many, including myself, cannot tolerate fruits at this point in time.
I’m in the same boat as you BUT, I’m trying to do carnivore to heal first like you said, problem is my stomach hurts and nausea when I eat even the cleanest grass fed beef and ghee/butter.. very confused what to do
@Moresco24 is it possible that it's just the ghee and not the meat? I would try tallow instead. Also if you are coming from high carb and/or a vegan diet it is a good idea to transition slowly. Also may be a good idea to experiment with adding/reducing your fat intake.
@@peacelove2994 I use ghee for the preferred taste over tallow, I am coming from very high carb though you are right. It just sucks because I get really nauseous with stomach pain about 2 hours after eating but will try to push through
@@Moresco24 Check the RUclips channel "EONutrition" his latests videos explains why some people have problem on a carnivore diet and how to fix those issues
I often wonder what we would eat if we had no supermarkets and were completely dependent on foods that we produced ourselves. I suspect vegetarians and vegans would ceast to exist- over consumption would ceast to exist, and all these fantastically ingenious mixtures of ingredients within one meal would also fail to exist. This tells us something about how humans have adapted to live and eat.
We'd eat seasonally (what's available at the time), and we'd also resort to traditional preservation methods (canning, drying, pickling). We'd be less precious about meat consumption (i.e., far less emotions-based veganism). Interesting to consider.
I did Keto/Carnivore for 4 years....my A1C and regular blood glucose readings got worse. (went from concern to full blown pre-diabetes teetering on T2D) I've been adding carbs back since October and the Blood Sugar readings have improved. I truly believe that this was from the increased cortisol from fasting and carb restriction...for me. Now I'm just trying to figure out which carbs are best for me and honestly...veggies seem to be out (due to digestive issues) and fruit and honey really seem to be working for me. I never adapted on Keto and Carnivore - after awhile, my energy was awful and sleep got worse....once I added carbs back I felt great. Now I just need to fine tune it all.
@@BiblicalChristianSteve do you ate grass fed beef? Or just regular red meat? Do you eat alot of fruit in your diet? I tend to eat alot of apples, pears, bananas, I don't know if there is a number that is too much... I just eat till I feel satisfied (I don't have weight problems), I stopped eating oranges and kiwis (this one just once in a while) cause I read they have alot of oxalates. Hope a response, all good for yoy
@BROAS I eat grass fed ground beef but regular steaks, and organic eggs. I try to eat a lot of fruit but I can't afford to eat a lot of organic fruit, so the fruit I eat the most is is organic raisins, bananas and orange juice. When I can afford to I like to eat more organic fruit.
it never spoils Farons used to conseev bodya and honey si Gods miracle cure an sin elixr of life Honey is added as has enzymes and all that Gods cretaed stuff
I realized that when I practice putting just berries in high quantities back into my diet or even drinking just coconut water I start to crave all kinds of sugar and I have to really be careful and keep my carbs down. Yes, there is huge illness like Candida that is highly affected by honey and fruit. Personally, I could not keep my candida in control without giving up the carbs that include fruit and honey.
@@wendybarbe9221 Yeah I'll have a something with sugar and immediately I make up my mind: "This is my cheat day!" or at least a cheat meal. What ensues is almost no meat eaten (I don't like digesting meat with fruits and baking... or milk/yogurt) and me chasing a ton of sugary foods. I try to keep it healthy with no seed oils and such, but I am never satisfied and immediately want another sugary thing after enjoying a previous sweet. It throws off my desire for a healthy meal later in the day too - I find I instead want to chase what I chased earlier and when I think of just cooking meat, I lose my appetite. I literally desire fatty meat all the time unless I eat any part of fruit, ice cream, or PB&J or something (again no seed oils), then I instantly don't want meat pretty much for the day.
I’ve been following an animal based diet very close to Paul’s for 75 days since my atherosclerosis diagnosis. I also try to do an 18hr fast in between. This is to accelerate weight loss and reverse the plague build up. I also take Berberine and a vit K2D3 oral spray daily. I try to keep my carbs at 100g and I eat around 700g of meat per day. I’ve lost 9kg so far.
I am type 2 diabetic. Diagnosed about 10’years ago. Did really well on a low carb diet for a few years then fell off the wagon and gained most of my lost weight. 11 months ago went strict keto and lost about 10 lbs immediately but stalled. Became mostly carnivore about 5 months ago and have seen a dramatic reduction in my A1C (from 8.6 to 5.9 currently. The only carbsni typically consume are raw honey and green apples. However I only consume about 40-80 carbs per day. I think it is important to eat some fruit and honey. We need some carbs. Everyone has to find what works for them. Thank you Dr Saladino for your honest approach. I admire you, Dr Ken Berry and Dr Robert Cywes and I credit all of you with helping me battle my disease
I was prediabetic. After 3 months keto+3 months meat/fat only I added back fruit. Also almost exclusively Granny Smith apples and about same amount that you did, 75-80 grams carbs divided up over 3 meals/day. After 4 months I just tested and found that my A1c had gone from 5.3% on meat/fat to 6.1% with the added carbs. My fasting insulin in same time frame went from 2.5 μIU/mL to 5.5 μIU/mL. I work out hard 2 out of every 3 days and walk about 2 miles every day. Different bodies, different outcomes.
Well if you want to take carbs from plants it is fine. I do not. I make glucose in my liver. Are we so different? NO Disrespect. I am Finnish, people known to do no small-talk and straight to the core ;)
I’m so disappointed that there are not more people in carnivore communities talking about light environments and seasons. This guy lives in a high light environment where fruit grows locally and year round. I live in the upper peninsula of MI. It’s winter six months out of the year. If I ate fruit in the dead of winter I would have a very different effect than a guy that eats honey snd then goes surfing. Light environments matter, location matters.
This highlights one of the major issues with the carnivore “influencers,” and dietary influencers in general. They take their own experiences, and then they justify them through finding research that matches their conclusions. It’s especially bad in the more financially successful influencers, that no longer have the data and insight from working with clients/patients.
Yes so eat seasonally. Saladino talks about the tropical diet, which is the temperate summer diet. However, there is good imported fruit year round if you look hard. Check out Eli Martyr, longtime fruitarian and athletic stuntman in Toronto.
I made the same statement a few days ago on one of his videos, his diet is not realistic to everyone else. Honestly, i I am slightly fed up with all of them people because you have 20 camps saying 20 different things and as new people coming to a diet like this they don't know what the hell to eat and what not to eat. All of them from Ken Berry to Dr Cywes and even Paul need to sit down and figure out one message for the Keto community Furthermore, Rob I am planning on growing strawberries and Blueberries in my basement this winter to have something I can control.
@@EL.JEFE1231 There isn't one message to share. It's not just the light environments that matter. Humans have lived in different environments since the dawn of time. That's why Japanese can eat large amounts of rice and remain skinny, and the Innuit can eat large amounts of fat and protein and not get scurvy. Evolution matters. When you live in America, or a melting pot with many different types of climates it's probably best to work out your diet for yourself. Take their words as helpful hints and adjust accordingly. I'm thankful for all of the carnivore/keto community as they all point out the most important issue...stay away from highly processed anything.
@@bradleygermain6288 But that isn’t even the case in this community because you have some saying, if you can’t afford what I am eating, have a hot dog, have this just as long as you are eating meat, you are in the game. So, there isn’t even that familiar with this community. At the very least Vegetarians and vegans have a singular message more often than not. The other issue is brought up; Paul shares this, but most people come into this thinking, "Oh, ok, I will just eat that; months later, they find someone else doing something different and then switch to that because they don't know what the complete message is and why they are doing only that they are feeling better. The consistency in the message needs to be more helpful because whether we want to say it or not, people like Paul, Dr. Cywes, and Ken Berry all influencers on this subject, so most people become very closed off to adaptations once they say do this, people tend to follow. Now if they all came out and said this is an animal-based diet, and this is what you should do, but the vital thing to understand and do is, test what works, test it out, and see what works best for you and your body. If all meat is working, stick with it, but if you have XYZ, add certain veg to your diet, or at more raw milk to your diet. I personally love honey.. it's the one thing I refuse to give up, and I have 1, maybe 2 tablespoons full of raw unfiltered, or I eat it with the comb a week, and I workout like crazy.
Appreciate your enthusiasm Paul and yet again you make yourself the example of the fruit and honey diet. However, the majority do not exercise like crazy like you do. Can you tailor your talk to us, mere mortals, pre diabetics and diabetics?
I think I recall Dr. Saladino making a dismissive remark about people 'trying to come up with arguments against' something. I'd like to point out that this is actually a critical and necessary part of the scientific method. When I think I know something, my first instinct is to try to think of ways in which I could be wrong.
My dream podcast is Paul Saladino MD and Sue Becker👌🏼… what a blessing for these two to educate one another and for many to be blessed by their knowledge 🙏🏼♥️
Dr. I believe you because I’ve been doing the carnivore diet just like you, and I started getting these palpitation.I was glad to see your video that talked about that and began to incorporated some fruits in my diet. within in a couple of days it went away and I’m still just eating meat and fruits. I feel so much better. I really believe that everyone is different and everyone should try to find what works for them.
everyone is different by restricting certain foods not avoid everything and eat certain foods order a sibo breathe test than try to be vegan after you get sibo dealth with see how high life u are
We're all different. I get palpitations if I eat fruit, honey, or any other carbs, but zero palpitations eating straight carnivore, which I've been doing almost a year and a half now.
The HBA1C test does not test for glycation products resulting from fructose glycation, only those from glucose. So I doubt any damage from fructose would show up in a typical HBA1C test.
Saladino is saying otherwise here, but in a way that makes me ask more questions. See my comments on this thread. I've asked Dr. Berry today to comment here also. Right now it's 'he said/he said' and I want somebody to prove they're right and the other one to cave. I doubt that this is a matter of subtlety or opinion. Somebody is right and somebody is wrong, and it's important for the rest of us to know which is which.
@@olderandwiser127 I'm not sure if it's an addiction to sugar or to his own arguments, but I agree that the evidence he presented is selective and doesn't prove definitively either that fructose is counted the same as glucose, or that the test results show how fructose acts in the body. He speaks quickly, but in my opinion we need to think a bit more slowly. He's a brilliant guy, but in order to learn - the first step for us is to not be intimidated from asking those seemingly dumb, but maybe pertinent, questions that nag at our brains. Currently, we have two doctors saying things which are mutually exclusive, and being polite to each other about it. I want them to also be respectful to their intelligent audience, give us the right answer, and explain how and why they've resolved the discrepancy.
Hey Paul, You and Shawn Baker helped turn my life around! Ty! Your videos always flush the Experts out , but you and Ken have them typing like demons on this topic! Good job!
It was only time before there was a counterpunch to Berry’s anti honey/fruit video yesterday. I’m a fan of both, but I’m more in line with Paulie here.
Professor Bart kay made a in depth response video to Pauls video. Paul is misunderstanding the study. A1c test is not sensitive to fructose, there is still a hidden danger.
I am a hyper responder of this type of diet. I did 2 years of keto with some carnivore while lifting weights and had trouble ever reaching a balanced state without side effects (joint pain, fatigue, poor recovery). I introduced about 80-100 grams of fruit carbs throughout the day and never looked back. I feel fantastic and have abs now for the first time in my life. I can workout harder for longer than in my 20s (I'm 34) and I find I don't get the hyper carb/junk food/sweets cravings I dealt with on keto. However I do not eat honey after watching Paul's video about glyphosate contamination.
Same if I get into “ketosis” for more than a day the cortisol and stress on my body is insane. All these guys hating on Paul for fruit and honey don’t know what they are talking about and have turned eating meat into a religion
It has more to do with the style of training. I suffered from samenside effect until I switched to HIT 1 set to failure workouts. Specifically I do DoggCrap aka DC training by Dante Trudel. It's been a huge benefit, I've had better sleep, joints are much better, recovery is optimal especially for being a natty.
me too2 years on keto & never felt better it was awesome healthy 2 years. now preparing for carnivore-fruit diet next year for continuing looking for better but this doesn't means that keto is bad & i might get back to keto-carnivore if carnivore-fruit diet irritate me in some way because i was feeling that when i introduce friendly keto carbs
I am not diabetic but occasionally test my glucose with a CGM (Continuous Glucose Monitor). If I eat half an orange, or a half-grapefruit, or 2 oz. of blueberries I get a pretty strong increase in my blood sugar (e.g. 100 mg/dL rises to 135 mg/dL). I don't know whether that increase is from the glucose in fruit, or the fructose, or both. All I know is that fruit spikes my blood sugar. Each person is different so it's best to do tests on yourself.
yeah but he has talked about this before. How fast does your blood sugar come back down and what is the area under the curve??? As humans I am sure we have always had blood sugar spikes, because if we found fruit, we most certainly ate it.
Insulin spikes are normal, if they're not excessively high or frequent. The body was desigend to function this way. Everyone is afraid of insulin spikes!
How did you get CGM without diabetes? These MDs dont prescribe CGM with out diabetes, as if CGM cause more damage than drug and alcohol, they are sold to people with out anything.
I have tried Keto before and everytime I didn't have carb for 40+ hours I always get keto rash, tried salt bile and nutrional yeast, didn't help at all, plus getting different types of fat and worrying about every carb was quite a headache. I was also interested in pure canivor but it also doesn't include any carbs, and the idea of only being able to eat meat is definitely not something I can do long terms. I was concerned about the fructose when I first heard about your diet so I was sceptical but after watching this video I think I will give it a try. I'm lucky to live in a tropical country with easy access to fresh fruits and meat, so it sounds like the most convinient diet for someone like me.
@@Cantaste I tried to push through keto for several months and i didn’t really heal, it stopped being itchy after a month but all the scars remained until I ate carb again. Also I know it’s not something that I’m allergic to because I still get it whenever I fast for 40+ hours, meaning just a lack of carb in general causes it for me. I was never obese or had a very unhealthy diet either, and I don’t live in America so I’m not worried about excessive toxins in the food. I really like the idea of keto and carnivore, unfortunately I just have to accept that carb is something I need to eat.
A carnivore diet (eating only animal foods) isn't about any particular kind of macro nutrient ratio. It's about eliminating all but the least inflammatory foods (which are animal foods). You can still eat honey if you want sugar, which is an animal food and which almost no one is intolerant of. If you're lactose tolerant, you can also get sugar from milk. If you're not eating grains, seeds, etc, then you're still getting the benefits of the elimination diet, which is to avoid inflammatory foods. Also, after you've solved your problems (diabetes, auto immune disorders, etc) eating only animal foods, you can introduce one plant food at a time and see what happens, like berries or apples.
I have a similar experience with pure keto/carnivore. Try mostly carnivore with a bit of fruit/honey (can scale based on activity levels). Personally I feel much better doing this and no rash!
I love your content paul u do a great job looking at the nuances in research. Personally i wasnt too sure about fructose being a problem and spiking my blood sugar (especially juices) but you’ve definitely changed my perspective with the research u went over, thanks man👍
I appreciate this Paul. I am no scientist, but my best sources still tell me that excess fructose (regardless of whether it is naturally sourced) is damaging. However, the carnivore community indeed vilifies fruit and honey needlessly. I myself have a little bit of fruit every day. Still, that is no license to guzzle fruit endlessly...
You are correct "excess" is the key. Devil's in the details. Plus super super critical is Who are we talking about? Context. Are we talking about a healthy 12 yrs old or a very sick, very obese 65 yrs old? Right.
Too much of any form of sugar is harmful but eating moderate amounts of fruits and honey is harmless and can add several health benefits to your body as the studies prove.
How much is a little? Is that a ‘little’ for you - or are you declaring a ‘little’ for everyone? One of the issues in dietary advice for the past fifty years (at least) has been sweeping generalisation.
The second paper referenced ‘Food sources of fructose-containing sugars and glycaemic control’ is publish in BMJ open access (BMJ is an excellent source), but the Competing interests section is enormous…. I didn’t study it carefully but that does make the contents of the paper potentially slanted. I did notice there are many food manufacturers listed…
You should still be worried. A1c test is not sensitive to fructose. Saladino is not understanding the studies he goes through. Professor Bart Kay made a response video to this video explaining in depth how Saladino is misunderstanding these studies.
@@allolp Yeah, theoretically Bart Kay great explaining in depth, on the other hand Bart Kay also claimed hes still enjoying drinking beer ( sugar/wheat) and drinking coffee ( fr. seeds) and never declare bloodwork in RUclips at all like Paul. Bart Kay is not the" walk your talk " kind of guy ...
I have berries every day and eat them with Cream. No problems as far as I know. I love Honey but even a teaspoon makes my heart race - I can feel it and it makes me want more so I am better off without it. Every body reacts differently.
Good. Saw Dr Berries video recently on this very subject after your last podcast with him. Looking forward to his response to the information you just presented.
I agree with Dr. Paul but I also realize every body is different. Some people thrive on a strict carnivore diet others don't and vice versa. I also believe that eating seasonally and locally is extremely important. I live in Southern California, there is no way I will eat a pineapple or banana. But ill eat the oranges and lemons growing in my backyard and I feel great!
@@Lilpiktdude So you don't eat peels sprayed in a bunch of chemicals, constantly. I grow most of the fruit that I eat the skins of. For example, blueberry bushes, table grapes, and strawberries. Apples not only have pesticides but wax, and most fruits are gassed. It's less important to grow your own banana because it has a peel. Same with orange, watermelon, avacado, etc. You don't eat the peels on those.
There are actually a good amount of banana trees in so cal if you keep you eyes open. Usually only in peoples backyards though. But figs are everywhere.
I love fruit and eat it every day. However, one thing we're not considering is that modern fruit is very different than those consumed by our primitive ancestors. Fruit is bred to not only be larger, but to also be sweeter so you're getting more sugar doubly so. When it comes to insulin response, sugar is sugar so those using diet to combat something such as an autoimmune disorder should be mindful of their fruit intake. As with anything, fruit can be eaten to excess. I myself should probably cut back...
Yeah, our ancestors were also selecting and planting the best of the best in fruit trees. Hell, even birds and squirrels would have preferred the sweetest fruits and eaten them first.
@@Mantis858585 That doesnt mean it is the bestoption, especially if you are overweight. In my opinion, carnivore is perfect to lose weight, once you have done it, you can add some fruits. Butif you you it is wise to recommend to an overweight person to eat that many carbs from fruit and honey? this guy is deluded, of course you can do it if you are as fit as him and do 3 hours of surf everyday.
When I was on a 100% fruit diet I lost 1 kg a week and on water fasting I lost 1 kg every 24 hours. I was eating 3 kg apples every day and had normal 5 in blod sugar, one day I eat a big bag of candy and my blod sugar reach 12, big difference. My body thrives on fruit and fat meat. I feel great, I feel joy, I feel love, it is euphoria.
Excellent content - much thanks Dr. Saladino. Even before viewing this video, I (70 y.o. male) have been eating lots of honey bananas/other fruits and sweet potatoes/beans along with egg-yolks, liver and sardines with excellent results, despite the discouragement from scarring info from many anti-honey and anti-fruit doctors and other health pros.
Hi Paul. Thanks for explaining your train of thoughts. Still, even if your A1c would include fructose glycation (which remains to be seen, as these are standard tests the researchers would probably not have used) I still think your mostly metabolically challenged followers are not helped with fruits and honey endorsements. Unless you want your channel to be a 'look at me, I'm doing fine' kind of thing. You would have to admit people should steer away from all sweets when they are in a diabetic twilight zone, not only for carbs, sugar fruits and honey, but even artificial sweeteners. Carb addiction is a real thing, and one of the worse drug addictions. I'd love to see your thoughts on that, and also the retorts from experts on your shots fired at keto.
I've been following a keto diet for quite some time - mostly meat and fish, very little in the way of plants. I've lost a lot of weight and feel great. When I added fruit to my diet the weight started to come back on scarily quickly. I now have small amounts of berries. Thankfully everything has settled down again. I think everyone has a limit of the amount of fructose they can get away with. If I ate Paul's diet I would undoubtedly be gaining weiight steadily.
It's calories in, calories out, you can only gain weight If you're in a caloric surplus, upon introducing carbs back into your diet on top of what you were eating before you've put yourself into a surplus so your going to gain weight, If you want to eat more carbs(fruit) and not gain weight then you need to subtract more calories from your other macronutrients which are protein and fat, to the point where you're either in a calorie deficit or at least just your calorie maintenance level, you can't just magically put on weight just because you started eating something else, only possible if you're in that surplus
it's wrong to have Paul calories because he is so active & this is why he put a carnivore-fruit calories calculator in his website to get the perfect weight
@@epicgamingvideos8222 Sorry, but "calories in, calories out" is not correct. People who eat high processed packaged foods always tend to gain more weight, or they are not able to lose fat (especially around the belly), even when the foods are low in calories and when the person is eating less calories than they tend to burn. This is a very common thing so many people that are on dieting and exercise routines and who don't end up losing fat and/or getting a six pack back will complain about. If you don't remove bad sugars and processed foods it won't matter if you consume a few hundred less calories a day, you will still maintain some fat, especially belly fat.
the paper clearly states in the Discussion that "the assays cannot accurately detect in vivo fructation". **that** is why there's no detected change in a1c, because the assays are insensitive to it. 🤦♂
I remember Dr. Berry saying that a lab told him that the assay (I forgot if it was fasting glucose or HbA1c) read only glycated glucose, not fructose. This appears a critical part of the discussion. Can I request that you address this?
@@Paulsaladinomd What's throwing me off is the word 'excess'. Does the assay count the fructose in the same way that it does the glucose and with the same sensitivity, or, for example, only when the excess glycation of fructose reaches a certain threshold? And also, are you saying that the lab's statement isn't true? If there's a real true/false here rather than a subtlety, we should understand that. You say that the tests do measure all 3 sugars, and immediately follow with the statement that the numbers rise when excess fructose is consumed, and that could be construed as introducing the subtelty. Can't it be definitively shown in a lab whether the assay measures all 3 sugar glycations accurately ? Not a test data which show responses to a certain load of fructose, but a basic understanding of the chemical mechanism of the test? This test was invented, so what it does must be understood. Somebody has to lose on that argument. Sorry to be tendentious about this, but "this is wrong" could mean 'wrong in this way'. and if Dr. Berry's lab reference is untrue, I'd like him to be able to answer to that. I've asked him to address this here today.
What I thought I knew about fructose was that it is only pocessed by the liver (as all toxins), and it is easily converted to fat and stored there. And it don't raise your insulin for this exact reason as insulin role is to get sugar inside cells, and fructose is not used by all cells like glucose is, only by the liver.
What about the randle cycle? Wouldn't combining the high fat from carnivore with carbs from fruit and honey continually activate the randle cycle, blocking energy to the mitochondria leading to all sorts of issues like diabetes, fat gain and insulin resistance???
I guess it would depend on how many carbs and how quickly the body can switch over to fat fuel. I can eat a few carbs without even leaving ketosis. 100g will knock me out of ketosis for about 6 hours but I quickly regain elevated ketone levels.
@@ppietrukaniec2 randle cycle is not “activated”! It describes the reduction in uptake of glucose when fatty acid oxidation is intense. Simply put, it’s the regulation between metabolic pathways. A fit metabolic individual switches easily between fuels as dictated by mitochondria and a host of other bio systems.
Really appreciate these videos addressing what other experts are saying directly with the studies. For anyone who doesn’t know this is a response to a recent video by Dr. Ken Berry
@Trevor F not just Ken, but also Bart Kay( recent RUclips title " Paul Makes a Fool ......".), really attacking Paul harshly regarding fruits.. Fyi Bart Kay admitted drinking beer( sugar/wheat) and coffee( seeds) in another youtube, while Paul against alcohol and seeds. I can say that at least Paul is always presented all his bloodworks ( so far 3 bloodworks) meat , organs fruits honey in RUclips ...and people become carnivore " dogma" listening only to dogmatic carnivore doctors/experts ( so called) . Due to these, people even afraid to try eating fruits bit by bit , to see if the bodies rejecting or accepting.
I was in ketosis for pretty much 6 months, first 3 months with prolonged fasts (22 to 23 hrs per day) or even 3 day fasts, then I was pure carnivore for a further 3 months. I had some huge health benefits, but I then started to develop palpitations which were worrying. I re-introduced fruit (mostly mangos) and I feel signifantly better. I never think "am I in ketosis or not?" In fact, I'm rarely in ketosis now. I've been able to gain 10lbs of muscle in the last 2 months and I feel better now at 42 than at 30. I appreciate it's different for everyone, for me personally, I LOVE being 90% carnivore and I still eat more red meat in a day than I used to eat in several months, but adding the fruit + honey makes it all a joy as opposed to a feeling like I'm creating other stressed on the body.
@@dannydreelan9662 sounds like projection to me, hope your fat fingers don't hurt too much from throwing stones at strangers on the internet. Or, you could just do the work and get some results yourself ;).
@petescott I just mean 10lb of pure muscle in 2 months is next to impossible, especially coming from carnivore already and the only change is adding carbs. I'm less than 10% bf
Is there the possibility that the vitamin C given to patients in the latter study approx 10m was not a natural form and so not wise to compare to real food vitamin C sources? Thank you so much Dr Paul for sharing the studies and explaining them for us non-trained in this.
I enjoy the discussion but I think Paul went wrong in a couple of ways justifying fruit and honey. Both glucose and fructose are absorbed to the blood stream directly from the small intestine. However fructose is as quickly as possible taken up by the liver. This explains why it does not glycate the hemoglobin...it is in contact with it only briefly unless absolutely massive amounts are ingested. Glucose is regulated quite closely in the blood stream and causes a great insulin effect than does fructose. All this means that your A1c reading will not likely rise unless you saturate yourself with fructose. HOWEVER, this does not mean fructose is harmless. The liver needs to process this immediately as all sugars are very reactive in the body. This is what makes them such an easy fuel source. Your fat creation process goes into overdrive and your triglycerides levels will rise. In addition there are some other pathways that are upregulated by fructose in particular that cause fat accumulation and insulin resistance. Sure, if you start extremely metabolically healthy and you have enough muscle mass to store this as glycogen AND you also live a very active lifestyle, then fruit and honey is of no concern. But for 99.9% of people where that is not the case, then it is definitely a problem and provides no benefits of worth.
I have researched fruit, honey and fructose for many years, and here is what I learned: Fruit, which is named after fructose, has a lot of fructose in it. So does honey. What exactly is fructose? It is a monosaccharide, or simple sugar that is very sweet. It is produced by trees, and just about every animal that exists has developed a taste for it. Since animals like to eat fruit and love the taste of fructose, there has to be some evolutionary benefit to fruit, or we would not like the taste. Instinct are not magic, nor do they fall out of the sky. They have evolved, and evolved for a reason. I figured out the reason. The real reason it tastes so good is because it helps the fruit tree reproduce. Since trees can't move like animals can, trees use animals as a transport mechanism, and the seeds in fruit have evolved from the tree so an animal will eat a fruit, and take the indigestible seeds to somewhere else. The fruit tree is using us animals to help it grow in another location. Animals benefit from the fructose they eat also. The way animals benefit is that the fructose caused metabolic changes to their body, which allows them to gain fat, and prepare for a lack of food. Our ancestors, as well as many other animals need a way to prepare for the annual winter lack of food they had to face. This is why most fruits ripen in the fall, so animals like bears can eat as much as they can, while the fruit is still available. The fructose causes hunger and energy depletion, and fat gain, which might mean the difference between life and death. Bears will eat 10,000 berries a day in the fall to gain body fat to prepare for hibernation. Birds will eat fruit to gain fat to prepare for a 5,000 mile migration. Even camels will eat dates, which cause fat gain, and as that fat metabolizes, it becomes a source of metabolic water. When fat is metabolized, it provides a source of water. This is the real reason you want to avoid eating too much fruit or honey. The fructose causes metabolic changes designed to help us survive a famine, but since we have no famines anymore, and we eat extracted fructose year round, we are preparing for a famine that is never going to come. Don't eat fruit or honey unless you are planning on gaining body fat or preparing for a famine...this is the evolutionary role of fructose, true fact.
Dr. Saladino, I've heard that the A1C blood test will only tell you the glycation effect of Glucose but not of Fructose and that Fructose causes far more glycation than Glucose. What are your thoughts on this?
I don’t disagree. I think some of the confusion is how much honey! I was eating 2 apples every day cut up into several bites. Dipping each piece in a jar of honey and the next thing I know probably 3 or 4 ounces were gone. Result! Without changing my food I gained10# in a couple months. I stopped eating honey and when my weight drops maybe a tablespoon or two at the most.
I wish the videos of these subjects separated the discussion of harmful versus optimal and also accounted for age and health. My grandparents ate everything in moderation fruits, carbs, meats, veggies, sweets, and lived to 96 years old without ever being fat, ever being on a diet, having any metabolic disease etc. So unless we assume they would have lived to their 100s otherwise, none of the food was very harmful to them even if maybe not optimum. They also never exercised but also did not drink coffee nor alcohol. My medical history has been very different because I am not very good at moderation and so I overeat sweets and carbs and food in general and have been fat multiple times in my life. So I assume what is healthy for me and sustainable is not the same as my grandparents. Also, eating local fruits in costa rica will be very different than what I buy in my local supermarket. Where you live makes a big difference. For example if I eat in US restaurants a few times a week, the food makes me gain weight quickly. Yes when I go to Europe and eat 3 meals a day in restaurants for 2 weeks, ordering similar food, I maintain my weight. The quality of food and how it is cooked makes a difference because I am no more active in Europe than here. My point is again, fruit and fruit may not be the same and healthy very active 45 year old may have very different experience than a woman in 50s who is a lot less healthy and active.
@@solidsnake9924 That could be. I grew up cooking using butter and lard and my grandparents were in their 50s when I was born. It was only later we all started using oils.
Probably less sugar and Seed oils as mentioned above. If they were used to cooking their meals ans and using whole foods. There was a video pn seed oils from a channel called low carb down under. They visited an isolate set of people from a different part of the world who's main diet consisted of sweet potatoes (yams etc). They were very healthy people as they never touched seed oils and processed foods/sugars was not part of their diet. I think simply cooked foods, no seed oils and sugars is kind of the lesser extreme.
@@renatarandmcfadden1872 Probably oils v. butter in cooking is the difference in restaurants too. Oils are as bad or worse than sugar. I also suspect that the reason fruit is not damaging is due to low levels of oxidation compared to processed sugar and juicing.
Research on human gene says that our life expectancy on average is 120 years old. That means if you do everything as you should by nature, and if there's no freaky accident to kill you short, you would be able to live up to 120 years old ON AVERAGE. That means you could theoretically live a lot longer than 120. So based on that, your grandparents lived 24 years short of the average span. In the context of longevity, anything that isn't optimum can be considered harmful, considering even if the foodstuff doesn't cause any acute truly noticeable symptom, it still cuts your lifespan short.
Ill be honest, i thought Ken Berry destroyed you in the "debate". But now i am leaning your way. I have started adding a small amount of honey to my carnivore diet, and my energy is finally back! I can finally workout!
The main thing that Paul or any other fruit/carnivore influencer has yet to address is the vast high deterium that is in fruit and honey and damaging to mitochondria long term. I'll still be here waiting...
You can reduce deuterium with dry fasting but Saladino diet cause too much decrease of mitochondrial activity because of the high arachidonic low dha ratio and fruits centered diet.
@GhillieGoat more excuses on your end. I'm still waiting for Paul aka RatBoy to address this. He has talked about all aspects but has been dodging this one for the past 2 years bc he knows he can't defend his diet on this.
I love your videos. So please don't take this question as an attack. Given your including of honey and fruit in your diet, why are you still calling yourself Carnivore MD?
Same reason he says carnivore diet is what our ancestors ate despite the reality-humans ate what was available, and we ate legumes and all kinds of vegetables, and we’ve been processing food for thousands of years.
@@BadMannerKorea we did not have access to or grow vegetables for a considerable period of time. History shows that when we did start “farming” and including more plant based foods our health suffered.
My hunch is that fruit and honey are good if you are metabolically healthy, but once your metabolism is damaged for a long enough time those foods are no longer going to be good for you except in moderation, or even not at all for certain people. I feel great when eating fruit and raw honey, but it seems to completely stall my weight loss.
My gut healed very well on 4 years strict carnivore and allowed me too add fruit without my previous cravings, insulin spikes etc.. I now can no more eat excessive fruit than I can overeat steak. When I'm done, I'm done!
Many fruits seem to make me a bit itchy. I know others have issues with citrus. I can't eat avocado under any circumstances. Not all fruits are equal. Some fruits are outright poisonous. Plants will adapt fruits to be poisonous to mammals and eaten by birds for example.
Home-made almond milk, Oatmeal, flaxseed, raisins, maca, mushroom powder, walnuts, pecans and dates every morning for the past 5 years and I am in the best shape of my life! Knee problems and inflamation are gone! I'm 53 and ran my first two marathons.
Nothing wrong with organic glyphosate-free oatmeal if you soak and rinse it a couple of times with warm water. Phytic Acid is water soluble and will mostly be removed. Personally, after rinsing, I ferment the oats by mixing in kefir.
I don't have a gall bladder and was strict carnivore for 2 years. I saw amazing things happen to my health: I dropped 90 pounds, my high blood pressure returned to normal, I was no longer prediabetic, and my stomach issues completely went away. However, I had constipation and very hard stools. After consulting my doc, who is carnivore also, he suggested I add some blueberries and a couple of avocados a week. He thought the fiber might help with the constipation and make my stools softer. It worked. I'm still 90% carnivore, but I do eat blueberries, avocados, and occasionally dill pickles. You need to do what works for your own body.
Anybody that needs to lose body fat, and is metabolically ill, diabetes etc., should not eat fruit, honey or any other type of carb until they get to their goal weight, and are metabolically well. People in the well zone can eat fruit and some good carbs if they wish while keeping track of body fat levels, and their metabolic numbers. IF they start to rise, you know what you have to do.
Been doing Whole Foods only for a while now, switched to animal based with rice and potato and oats a couple weeks ago. Ive been going strict animal based the past couple days and I’m loving it! Workouts have been great, bloating is going away, body composition is improving already!
Thank you doctor, I really feared carbs, being in very painful osteoporosis 54 y old, going to keto, then carnivore. I had same symptoms as you told having, cramps etc. I went to your site and saw a helpful advice of what amount of fruit, grease ant meat I should eat. Feeling more energy and less stress, cramps have gone.
What was actually being eaten on the Atkins diet in the study showing methylglyoxal issues?? I have seen pretty ugly packaged foods sold for Atkins including seed oils and chemicals and, of course, many problematic veggies...
Hey Paul could you explain to me why fruit causes changes in my hunger? I'm hungrier after I consume fruit. I believe fructose in the liver may be changing the hunger signaling? Do you get this feeling?
@@MikasLinus it's possible, I have suspected that as the reason . But it might not be that, as this sensation does not happen if say, I consume starch or something. I know insulin changes alot of physiological mechanisms with in the body but theres something fructose is doing in the liver and maybe insulin is involved but idk
Many thanks, Paul, for you continued and zealous research putting to death mythologies that have been created in ignorance. This explains the reverence the ancient Greeks had for honey as the premium food on the planet, life giving and longevity producing with many drinks and preparations dedicated to its usage, as explained in the book by Dr. Bodog f. F. Beck honey and your health. How wonderful when truth is affirmed as truth!
In the Discussion section of the 1st study, the scientists state, "These data (referring to Table 1) indicate that neither assay can accurately detect in vivo fructation." In other words, the degree of fructation may actually be higher than what the A1C numbers seem to indicate. Therefore, there are indeed hidden dangers to consuming fruits and honey. So, how did you end up drawing exactly the opposite conclusion from the study?
Because a presenting a deep discussion of these studies may shed light on their shortfalls. It's better to just present the title and quote a conclusion. Don't take me wrong. The discussion is warranted and appreciated, but not the fearmongering undertone
I ate a few organic bananas earlier this week after not having any fruit in months. this caused a mild bit of throat itching which didnt really bother me, but the next morning i had some puffyness under my eyes. ive never had any kind of reaction to bananas before in my life.
I love bananas, but I can no longer eat them, or any fruit for that matter. If I do eat fruit (even just half of a small banana) I wake up with a headache. Fruit and honey give me headaches, so no more. I'm very low carb, so maybe having eliminated sugar out of my diet for more than four years might have something to do with re-introducing fruit.
I’ve been doing Animal-based to the T with the exception of coffee for the past 2 years and although it has healed many symptoms of my psoriatic arthritis, I STILL have reynaud’s (extreme cold sensitivity), and have the occasional hip joint flare up. I do it all. Raw liver, raw milk, raw cheese, organic fruit, local glyphosate free honey, pasture raised eggs, all grass fed. I believe there is a danger to fructose in some metabolically damaged individuals. I’m 28 years old and lift 6 days a week. I get direct sun exposure 2 hours a day. I just cut out all fruit, honey, and carbs to see what goes down. I also started cold plunging to perhaps regulate my cold sensitivity? Paul, what the heck man? Could it be the coffee? Even though it’s low mycotoxin?
AGE's come from cooking starches and processed sugars with oil at high heat or with protein where the maillard reaction occurs. French fries with ketchup and a charred burger would be the most notorious example of this. As far as I know there is zero mechanism for raw unprocessed sugar from fruit in isolation to result in any measurable glycation.
As a species we've never had fruit available all year round, we're just not able to handle that much fructose. Bears can do it because they hibernate but humans just add fat for lean times that never come. In small amounts, yes but there are dangers in eating a lot of fruit.
Heck, even aged beef causes greater histamine issues in some people. All case by case, all context specific to a specific person. Fruit no different. Who is the person, what is their past and present health status, what is their present diet, which fruit, and what is the dosage of the fruit... All critical factors.
Very convincing video. What is left to figure out is the individually determined optimum level of which fruit. This tricky detail is important. Adding too much adds weight. What is unclear is if adding fruit in any amount decreases MG. Dr. Paul at 12:30 said it does. But I saw a no evidence presented for that statement.
My concern is if I stop eating a restrictive carnivore only diet, if it will reverse the work I have been doing to reduce my prostate inflammation, which has been a significant reduction. I can finally “empty” my blatter almost completely. I just don’t want to undo this because of some fruit :(. But I sure do miss having it!
It would be great if you could ask yourself and your guests a question : " what would you do if you would get the diagnosis of being a Type 2 diabetic " This considering that lots of people are insulin resistant and/or diabetics. Thank you.
its not the sugar thats bad for teeth since its ph i 7. Its if the teeth are dirty that attracts bacteria, and the bacterias byproducts are acidic that hurts the teeth. But sugar is water soluble so just keep the teeth clean and rinse with water after and one should be fine. But if you eat the sugar with fat or there is starches involved it may be harder to keep the teeth clean
I’m telling y’all, Paul is on to something that the carni community is ignoring. I love this, retained all the health benefits from my time on carnivore but now I’m not fatigued and cramping. I’m a carb baby ftw
@@Hepta.Asteras A1C rises when consuming pure fructose, as shown in the study he presented with the mice, is what he was saying and that was predictable because in pure form it metabolizes differently in the body than when consumed as part of a food matrix (a whole food). So his argument is that fructose in a food matrix will not raise hemoglobin A1C and that you can use this blood testing metric to verify if fruit and honey are harming you. Hence why he said that sugar has no “hidden” dangers, because we can test if it’s doing harm to the body via this blood test. This is how I understood him. But I watched this back like 5 times before I felt like I understood what he was saying. Hopefully I’m not too far off in my interpretation
I think the problem some of us face is we try to get to scientific about our diet and the fact is, there is still so many gaps in the science. Apart from which everyone's body is unique to them. I think some common sense will go a long way though. The ultimate guide is looking back at what your healthy grandparents ate, yes those ones that ate lots of fruits and meat and live until there 90's and only saw a doctor once every 25 years. I personally struggle with fruit but to say its not good for my neighbour is ridiculous. Sometimes the lens we are using to look at a problem can be misleading. I am sensitive to certain chemicals used on fruit. If I decided to just have any glass of milk I will most likely become very ill from it but if I have a glass of A2 type milk I am fine and even better if it was raw. We must be diligent and try to understand our own body types. It's the same thing with meat and carbs, I thought for years that I needed HCl supplements to digest meat until I realised that I struggled to digest meat when eaten with certain carbs. Some of the solution is in front of our nose Paul can only do so much to help you.
Thank you for this comment!!🙌 As soon as I tried reintroducing fruit in the form of fruit salads my mom would often have when I visited (she's pesco-vegetarian), I would be breaking out into painful zits along my jaw and chin before the end of the day and have terrible bloating. I have to be careful with honey consumption setting off my sugar cravings. I have been working with Dr. Rob Cywes to address the cravings and have made tons of progress. I read Dr. Paul's book The Carnivore Code and recently gave it to a friend in nursing school. I also listen to Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Shawn Baker and the various researchers and professors over on the channel Low Carb Down Under. The best lesson I've gotten from this experience eating carnivore is to listen to my body above all else. I love the experience of eating fruit, it's juicy and delicious but it does not agree with my body and I value the feeling of a pain-free life with a clear complexion more than eating food I enjoy. Everyone wants a one-size-fits-all solution to their problems but when it comes to our individual health needs, I believe that is impossible. However, the carnivore diet is the closest thing I've ever seen to that with just how many testimonials there are in people who have reversed + put into remission so many difficult + chronic diseases and conditions.
Because I am active working out, I add fruit + Honey to my carnivore diet. Lately, I have been getting some cramping in calves, stomach (putting on socks), back muscles post workout a few house after. I need to probably increase my fruit + honey to reduce cramping based on lost electrolytes.
Ya if the diet isn't working for you doubling down is the most rational thing to do no doubt. 😆 🤣. Seriously though I feel for you because my diet direction is lost at the moment as well. Soaking in an Epsom salt bath and or sprays or lotions with magnesium will help. Magnesium absorbs better through skin.
Love this video Paul. Will we see you and Layne Norton on the show next year? You 2 have evolved so much and it appears you both have more in common now.
I eat fruit every dat but only for breakfast (only fruit breakfast). It helps me to go to the bathroom and also I feel hydrated. Honey, mainly with kefir, it is so tasty and my body loves it!
I'm a raw vegan I just want to say to you you are smart individual, these conversations around fruit is it healthy or not I find them laughable, more entertainment for me, fruit King over here baby
Dr. Paul, are you concerned about the oxalic acid found in fruit? There are quite a bit of oxalates in papaya, bananas, and other fruits you consume. Thanks!
@@sahntahdemon I use the Marek Doyle Oxalate Calculator. Papayas are higher in oxalates than bananas. Pears being even higher. Low oxalate is blueberries and apples.
@@sahntahdemon yes, I am subscribed to her channel. I have been watching Sally for awhile. She may know a lot, but I prefer multiple sources. I never listen to one person. As a board certified practitioner myself, I would never want my clients listening only to me. Sally has done incredible research, but so have others. Thank you for the suggestion.
Have your stomach biome checked for oxalobacter. If you have it oxalates are not an issue for you. If you don't have it they may be able to replace it...
Our body creates sugar on its own. We do not need extra sugar in any form of sugar, period. We eat fruit because it's sweet and we like it, but it's harmful to some extent. If you wanna eat fruit, stick to low glycemic fruit like berries (blueberries, raspberries, etc). It's very hard on us when someone points out something bad that we are doing and we wanna keep doing it, like this person on the video. He probably loves fruit and honey, and he will try to defend it at all cost, but he can't win here. Fruit in excess is also dangerous.
I think the problem with Paul’s message is that most of us are coming from a metabolically unhealthy state and honey and fruit can be devastating. Does he really think a type 2 diabetic will improve with eating sugar just because it’s wrapped up in fiber?
Nah, I'm pretty sure that metabolically unhealthy people eat absolute garbage. And that if they ate animal based + fruit / honey, their metabolic disease will go away.
No. You are so, so, so wrong sadly. Fiber is not what you think it is. Sorry to tell you that. I’ll let you do your own research. Sugar is your enemy when processed, like cane sugar. It’s okay to enjoy fructose when in fruit because of more than just the fiber. There’s also different kinds of fiber, so do some research on that. Just don’t eat much honey or fruit then. Find the amount that works for you. You were being afraid eating sugar your whole life, and you still ended up type two diabetic. Might suck to admit but you need some sugar, because your body is addicted to it. It’s more addictive than crack.
@@JohnHerbert-pk6yu You certainly don't NEED sugar at all. Being addicted to it is a BAD THING. Most cancers feed on sugar so why not avoid it at all costs. Dr Saladino here just wants to eat fruit and honey. That's fine but bad advice is still bad advice.
I always found Berry's research weird - you mean to tell me what nature has designed for us to eat is killing us? - Colorful, ripe, tasty, loaded with energy & wanting to be eaten. I'm open to discussion but I remain unconvinced by insignificant research. Thank you for responding to Berry's video as it left me confused & wanting answers
But Dr. Paul, both fructosamine and HbA1c measure glycation but focus on different proteins and time frames. They indicate blood glucose levels and diabetes management rather than directly measuring AGEs, which have broader implications for health and chronic disease.
My wife and I were in great health. But when we started to listen to Dr. Berry about the Carnivore Diet, we thought we give it a good try. We were perfect weight when we started, but started to lose weight we couldn't afford to lose. I lost 18 pounds of muscle which made me lose my strength. My wife also lost quite a bit of muscle. My heart was no longer beating regularly because my electrolytes were too low. We ate plenty of salt, butter and even Dr. Berry's electrolytes, but our health continued to decline. We also lost a lot of our hair. I could tell my testosterone had went way down. I told my wife we had to quit this. This diet was killing us. That's when we found Dr. Paul Saladino and added fresh fruits, raw milk and raw honey to our diet, along with the grass fed beef we were already eating. Our health began to turn around and we started to feel better immediately. Over the next several months, we got our muscle back and our hair grew back in. I also got my testosterone back. But the thing I wasn't expecting was, I could do the splits! I haven't been able to do the splits in decades. I'm more limber now than I've ever been. I believe this is due to the raw honey. I discovered a researcher that studied and lived among a tribe called the Honey Shepherds. They walk many miles every day looking for trees to climb to gather their honey. They lick it off their hands and arms while they gather it and their diet consists of mostly honey. He noticed how heathy this tribe was. But what impressed him most was how limber and flexible they were. He believes it is because of the raw honey. He discovered several people that are serious Yoga people that swear by raw honey to make them flexible. I am a believer now!
Seems everyone is different I’ve heard many similar stories like this Paul himself started fruit from the electrolyte issues, I had them too. But then others are fine and worse with fruit , .where you from ?
Did any of you limit protein in fear of getting kicked out of ketosis? Cause that seem to be the case often. Allways staying in ketosis without a natural insulin spike when eating more protein.
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When I added fruit to my carnivore diet, I was hungry all day….maybe I just have too much metabolic damage. If I was fit/healthy/active all my life I think I’d be good with fruit and meat, but for me, for now I have to cut out the fruit.
If it works for you, great! I’m glad your healthy and happy.
I was weak like a twig, forgot about overrated fruit.
Exactly you have metabolic damage. Your body is trying to tell you it needs the nutrients badly.
@@Coach_Jose By that logic my body has also told me I need ice cream and potato chips 🤣
@@redbeard9586 Hmm thats not fruit. I dont think you know what fruit is.
@@Coach_Jose damn, you got me. Your deductive reasoning is just too powerful for me.
Contrary to what so many others say, I’ll eat 1-2 bananas a day, maybe an apple, and a handful of berries. About 75% of this before a workout. The fruit does not spark my sugar cravings .. it curbs it. Interesting how we’re all so different!
After eating alot of fruit you do not feel craving fruit along of the day?
@@eugeniodasbroas no cravings at all.
Also amazing is how the body uses carbs from fruit when we're active and not lazy. Seems activity is good for us. Who knew?!😂
@@eugeniodasbroas cravings are just weak mind and not being active enough
I just started this low carb journey, I feel great for a few weeks I started to add some fruit and my glucose spikes are really high , The honey in the morning doesn't spike glucose levels that much.
after reading these comments i don’t know what to eat anymore
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True. After watching vids on youtube after a while you can.t eat anymore.
"after reading these comments i don’t know what to eat anymore" I have the same problem, and so does Saladino. He likes fruit and honey, so he finds a way to justify it. I wish he was correct, as I too would like to eat fruit and honey. The truth is they spike your insulin, and tax your liver. Maybe there is no correct answer?
learn to listen your body, that is your ultimate truth
Hi, Don’t be discouraged. Do you know your bloodtype? Dr Peter D’Adamo. Proper food combining Harvey Diamond and Shelton and DuBelle (3 experts) and now Dr Paul. I am taking notice of oxalates and vegetables and cutting them out of my diet. But I eat starch for lunch so I want to have a raw veggie with it to avoid the spike so haven’t given up celery and carrots yet. All protein for dinner with no veggies. Fruit for breakfast on empty stomach until noon. Starch for lunch with celery plus maybe carrots. I believe Dr Paul and Dr Chafee about veggies. All protein for dinner no veggies. Everything I eat agrees with my bloodtype B. 💖😊🍉
Carnivore for 3 years. I added about 1 tablespoon of honey a day split in 3rds for 3 snacks a day. I mix it in a big chunk of butter and eat it that way. Still testing in deep purple ketosis on the keto sticks, and hasn't caused any cravings. I do high fat carnivore, so about ~80% fat ~20% protein, and of course whatever the ~10g carbs from the honey adds to carb percentage. I may try adding in a little fruit to see what happens, but right now I'm content.
natural foods wont cause you stupidly high cravings. Honey is in a complex, added sugars and synthetic sugar like dextrose and maltodextrin are man made and WILL make you crave sugar.
If you think Carnivore is good, wait till you try Frugivore, the natural food/fuel for the Homo-sapian.
@@truesight91 Can you explain this?
@@RandomHuTaoSimp honey has a GI index of 58, sugar is 60. The problem with sugar is it being empty calories, consumed in isolation (no fat or fiber alongside it), and not being pbysically active prior or after its consumption.
@@havibabi GI index are meaningless. You want to look at overall fasting insulin instead. Raw organic honey actually improves fasting insulin given you diet and activity is good. Enzymes believe it or not can make natural sugars beneficial. The problem comes with processing. The gi index you looked at probably refers to overall honey. Remember that glyphosate can also add to immediate glocuse response. Most dont know this
I have been following an animal-based diet carnivore with some fruit and honey. I have followed a strict carnivore before and although I did lose excess fat quicker, I never felt my best mind you I was a strict carnivore so well over a year and keto for several years before that. I just feel better with some honey and fruit that said if you have excess fat to lose, it’s going to take longer, I can tell you that for a fact.
As Far as Amounts Regarding Honey ;I'd Like to Think That Honey Speaks for itself ! Once Bitten Twice Shy...
Good information. I'm doing Carnivore with only eggs and cheese besides higher fat meat. I'm considering adding berries and raw honey at some point. I don't have fat to lose and carnivore is making me lose weight so I may need some good carbs.
I ate an insane amount of fat and meat doing carnivore (I’m a 27 year old woman) and I began to feel like absolute crap. I did keto for a year before that so I was already over the “keto flu”. I tried exercising and didn’t even have the energy. I started eating fruit and honey and a little white rice and I feel so much better.
Me too.
Maybe an insane amount of meat was too much.
White rice = poison.
Because you are genetically modified by the carbohydrates you eat and are addicted to food
Same. Meat, eggs, fruit, honey and white rice. I soak the rice for 24 hours in water before boiling it.
I don't think fruit and honey are inherintly dangerous. That being said, many who start the carnivore diet are trying to heal autoimmune disease/leaky gut and a strict meat elimination diet has to be implemented for a period of time to seal the gut lining first. I look forward to reintroducing fruits in the near future, but I think it's important to make the distinction as many, including myself, cannot tolerate fruits at this point in time.
I’m in the same boat as you BUT, I’m trying to do carnivore to heal first like you said, problem is my stomach hurts and nausea when I eat even the cleanest grass fed beef and ghee/butter.. very confused what to do
@Moresco24 is it possible that it's just the ghee and not the meat? I would try tallow instead. Also if you are coming from high carb and/or a vegan diet it is a good idea to transition slowly. Also may be a good idea to experiment with adding/reducing your fat intake.
@@peacelove2994 I use ghee for the preferred taste over tallow, I am coming from very high carb though you are right. It just sucks because I get really nauseous with stomach pain about 2 hours after eating but will try to push through
@@Moresco24 Check the RUclips channel "EONutrition" his latests videos explains why some people have problem on a carnivore diet and how to fix those issues
@@Moresco24 I wonder if HCl supplement could help
I often wonder what we would eat if we had no supermarkets and were completely dependent on foods that we produced ourselves. I suspect vegetarians and vegans would ceast to exist- over consumption would ceast to exist, and all these fantastically ingenious mixtures of ingredients within one meal would also fail to exist. This tells us something about how humans have adapted to live and eat.
We'd eat seasonally (what's available at the time), and we'd also resort to traditional preservation methods (canning, drying, pickling). We'd be less precious about meat consumption (i.e., far less emotions-based veganism). Interesting to consider.
I did Keto/Carnivore for 4 years....my A1C and regular blood glucose readings got worse. (went from concern to full blown pre-diabetes teetering on T2D) I've been adding carbs back since October and the Blood Sugar readings have improved. I truly believe that this was from the increased cortisol from fasting and carb restriction...for me. Now I'm just trying to figure out which carbs are best for me and honestly...veggies seem to be out (due to digestive issues) and fruit and honey really seem to be working for me.
I never adapted on Keto and Carnivore - after awhile, my energy was awful and sleep got worse....once I added carbs back I felt great. Now I just need to fine tune it all.
Turns out humans are omnivores like I've been trying to tell people for 20 years. Oh well.
Same here. I felt like crap, low energy, down mood, even after 5 years of doing keto. I only felt better when I added fruit and honey
@@BiblicalChristianSteve do you ate grass fed beef? Or just regular red meat? Do you eat alot of fruit in your diet? I tend to eat alot of apples, pears, bananas, I don't know if there is a number that is too much... I just eat till I feel satisfied (I don't have weight problems), I stopped eating oranges and kiwis (this one just once in a while) cause I read they have alot of oxalates.
Hope a response, all good for yoy
@BROAS I eat grass fed ground beef but regular steaks, and organic eggs. I try to eat a lot of fruit but I can't afford to eat a lot of organic fruit, so the fruit I eat the most is is organic raisins, bananas and orange juice. When I can afford to I like to eat more organic fruit.
Living on ketones it's a trap.
Fruits contain H2O2 and are good for the microbiom.
Pure raw honey is the miracle of nature!
Thank you, bees 🐝 ❤
it never spoils Farons used to conseev bodya and honey si Gods miracle cure an sin elixr of life Honey is added as has enzymes and all that Gods cretaed stuff
Beautiful
Every food is good for some kind of microbiom cause every food is eaten by some kind of bacteria
Just H2O... H2O2 is Hydrogen Peroxide🤣
I realized that when I practice putting just berries in high quantities back into my diet or even drinking just coconut water I start to crave all kinds of sugar and I have to really be careful and keep my carbs down. Yes, there is huge illness like Candida that is highly affected by honey and fruit. Personally, I could not keep my candida in control without giving up the carbs that include fruit and honey.
Are you having enough salt. I find I need 2 tsp of salt a day to keep cravings at bay. I use Maldon salt.
I'm in your camp, for me sugar is as addictive as nicotine is for others. Like any other recovering addict, none is much better than some.
@@wendybarbe9221 Yeah I'll have a something with sugar and immediately I make up my mind: "This is my cheat day!" or at least a cheat meal. What ensues is almost no meat eaten (I don't like digesting meat with fruits and baking... or milk/yogurt) and me chasing a ton of sugary foods. I try to keep it healthy with no seed oils and such, but I am never satisfied and immediately want another sugary thing after enjoying a previous sweet. It throws off my desire for a healthy meal later in the day too - I find I instead want to chase what I chased earlier and when I think of just cooking meat, I lose my appetite.
I literally desire fatty meat all the time unless I eat any part of fruit, ice cream, or PB&J or something (again no seed oils), then I instantly don't want meat pretty much for the day.
Try Kiefer
Mine cleared up in a couple of days, when I started Kiefer
@@jamesstahl no way, kefir is a terrible idea when suffering from Candida. Any fermented food is a no no.
I’ve been following an animal based diet very close to Paul’s for 75 days since my atherosclerosis diagnosis. I also try to do an 18hr fast in between. This is to accelerate weight loss and reverse the plague build up. I also take Berberine and a vit K2D3 oral spray daily. I try to keep my carbs at 100g and I eat around 700g of meat per day. I’ve lost 9kg so far.
keep it up. youre on the right track. Hopefully you have exercise in there too. how old are you?
@@TravisBiggie Thanks mate! I’m 48 years young 😆
@@TakeAHikeWithMe one more question, do you mind me asking how tall you are along with weight? Have you been this weight your whole adult life? Thanks
@@TravisBiggie I’m 172cm or 5.6ft been this weight for 10 years or more. Got down to 83 kg three years ago.
9kg in 75 days? Were you not very overweight?
I am type 2 diabetic. Diagnosed about 10’years ago. Did really well on a low carb diet for a few years then fell off the wagon and gained most of my lost weight. 11 months ago went strict keto and lost about 10 lbs immediately but stalled. Became mostly carnivore about 5 months ago and have seen a dramatic reduction in my A1C (from 8.6 to 5.9 currently. The only carbsni typically consume are raw honey and green apples. However I only consume about 40-80 carbs per day. I think it is important to eat some fruit and honey. We need some carbs. Everyone has to find what works for them. Thank you Dr Saladino for your honest approach. I admire you, Dr Ken Berry and Dr Robert Cywes and I credit all of you with helping me battle my disease
I was prediabetic. After 3 months keto+3 months meat/fat only I added back fruit. Also almost exclusively Granny Smith apples and about same amount that you did, 75-80 grams carbs divided up over 3 meals/day. After 4 months I just tested and found that my A1c had gone from 5.3% on meat/fat to 6.1% with the added carbs. My fasting insulin in same time frame went from 2.5 μIU/mL to 5.5 μIU/mL. I work out hard 2 out of every 3 days and walk about 2 miles every day.
Different bodies, different outcomes.
Well if you want to take carbs from plants it is fine. I do not. I make glucose in my liver. Are we so different? NO Disrespect. I am Finnish, people known to do no small-talk and straight to the core ;)
We actually do not need any carbs whatsoever.
Absolutely do not need carbs, that is just ridiculous. And this coming from someone with diabetes, sorry but that just makes you look stupid.
We don't need carbs as humans. It's your choice to eat them. Being type 2 diabetic I wouldn't eat any carbs.
I’m so disappointed that there are not more people in carnivore communities talking about light environments and seasons.
This guy lives in a high light environment where fruit grows locally and year round. I live in the upper peninsula of MI.
It’s winter six months out of the year. If I ate fruit in the dead of winter I would have a very different effect than a guy that eats honey snd then goes surfing. Light environments matter, location matters.
This highlights one of the major issues with the carnivore “influencers,” and dietary influencers in general. They take their own experiences, and then they justify them through finding research that matches their conclusions. It’s especially bad in the more financially successful influencers, that no longer have the data and insight from working with clients/patients.
Yes so eat seasonally. Saladino talks about the tropical diet, which is the temperate summer diet. However, there is good imported fruit year round if you look hard. Check out Eli Martyr, longtime fruitarian and athletic stuntman in Toronto.
I made the same statement a few days ago on one of his videos, his diet is not realistic to everyone else.
Honestly, i I am slightly fed up with all of them people because you have 20 camps saying 20 different things and as new people coming to a diet like this they don't know what the hell to eat and what not to eat. All of them from Ken Berry to Dr Cywes and even Paul need to sit down and figure out one message for the Keto community
Furthermore, Rob I am planning on growing strawberries and Blueberries in my basement this winter to have something I can control.
@@EL.JEFE1231 There isn't one message to share. It's not just the light environments that matter. Humans have lived in different environments since the dawn of time. That's why Japanese can eat large amounts of rice and remain skinny, and the Innuit can eat large amounts of fat and protein and not get scurvy. Evolution matters. When you live in America, or a melting pot with many different types of climates it's probably best to work out your diet for yourself. Take their words as helpful hints and adjust accordingly. I'm thankful for all of the carnivore/keto community as they all point out the most important issue...stay away from highly processed anything.
@@bradleygermain6288 But that isn’t even the case in this community because you have some saying, if you can’t afford what I am eating, have a hot dog, have this just as long as you are eating meat, you are in the game. So, there isn’t even that familiar with this community. At the very least Vegetarians and vegans have a singular message more often than not.
The other issue is brought up; Paul shares this, but most people come into this thinking, "Oh, ok, I will just eat that; months later, they find someone else doing something different and then switch to that because they don't know what the complete message is and why they are doing only that they are feeling better. The consistency in the message needs to be more helpful because whether we want to say it or not, people like Paul, Dr. Cywes, and Ken Berry all influencers on this subject, so most people become very closed off to adaptations once they say do this, people tend to follow.
Now if they all came out and said this is an animal-based diet, and this is what you should do, but the vital thing to understand and do is, test what works, test it out, and see what works best for you and your body. If all meat is working, stick with it, but if you have XYZ, add certain veg to your diet, or at more raw milk to your diet.
I personally love honey.. it's the one thing I refuse to give up, and I have 1, maybe 2 tablespoons full of raw unfiltered, or I eat it with the comb a week, and I workout like crazy.
Appreciate your enthusiasm Paul and yet again you make yourself the example of the fruit and honey diet. However, the majority do not exercise like crazy like you do. Can you tailor your talk to us, mere mortals, pre diabetics and diabetics?
I think you lack the confidence to start exercising.
@@baileystrunk1489 off tangent remark
Literally been waiting on baited breath for this response ❤
Bated breath.
I think I recall Dr. Saladino making a dismissive remark about people 'trying to come up with arguments against' something. I'd like to point out that this is actually a critical and necessary part of the scientific method. When I think I know something, my first instinct is to try to think of ways in which I could be wrong.
My dream podcast is Paul Saladino MD and Sue Becker👌🏼… what a blessing for these two to educate one another and for many to be blessed by their knowledge 🙏🏼♥️
Dr. I believe you because I’ve been doing the carnivore diet just like you, and I started getting these palpitation.I was glad to see your video that talked about that and began to incorporated some fruits in my diet. within in a couple of days it went away and I’m still just eating meat and fruits. I feel so much better. I really believe that everyone is different and everyone should try to find what works for them.
Well said ! I Have the same Problems with Palpitations as I Have Arrythmias! I' ve Learned alot from Dr.Cowan and the Heart -Which is a Good Read !
everyone is different by restricting certain foods not avoid everything and eat certain foods order a sibo breathe test than try to be vegan after you get sibo dealth with see how high life u are
We're all different. I get palpitations if I eat fruit, honey, or any other carbs, but zero palpitations eating straight carnivore, which I've been doing almost a year and a half now.
The next Liver King.
Do you eat the fruit with your protein or eat them separately?
The HBA1C test does not test for glycation products resulting from fructose glycation, only those from glucose. So I doubt any damage from fructose would show up in a typical HBA1C test.
Saladino is saying otherwise here, but in a way that makes me ask more questions. See my comments on this thread. I've asked Dr. Berry today to comment here also. Right now it's 'he said/he said' and I want somebody to prove they're right and the other one to cave. I doubt that this is a matter of subtlety or opinion. Somebody is right and somebody is wrong, and it's important for the rest of us to know which is which.
@@john99776 paul says it shows up on rat hba1c
@@rfbead321 I know, but I have more questions and want a more direct answer. As I said, see my other comments here.
@@john99776 Saladino is selectively choosing research articles to justify his sugar addiction.
@@olderandwiser127 I'm not sure if it's an addiction to sugar or to his own arguments, but I agree that the evidence he presented is selective and doesn't prove definitively either that fructose is counted the same as glucose, or that the test results show how fructose acts in the body. He speaks quickly, but in my opinion we need to think a bit more slowly. He's a brilliant guy, but in order to learn - the first step for us is to not be intimidated from asking those seemingly dumb, but maybe pertinent, questions that nag at our brains. Currently, we have two doctors saying things which are mutually exclusive, and being polite to each other about it. I want them to also be respectful to their intelligent audience, give us the right answer, and explain how and why they've resolved the discrepancy.
Hey Paul, You and Shawn Baker helped turn my life around! Ty! Your videos always flush the Experts out , but you and Ken have them typing like demons on this topic! Good job!
lol not exactly - some of these doctors are paid to tell you the wrong thing along with nurses, nutritionists etc
It was only time before there was a counterpunch to Berry’s anti honey/fruit video yesterday. I’m a fan of both, but I’m more in line with Paulie here.
Berry? Who is berry? Full RUclips channel name please??
Oh, dr ken berry. Right
@@Candyapplebone Dr Berry, the anti-berry.
Professor Bart kay made a in depth response video to Pauls video. Paul is misunderstanding the study. A1c test is not sensitive to fructose, there is still a hidden danger.
Yes because his diet is more yummy. IM being honest.. it is an why I like him n it better.. lol
I am a hyper responder of this type of diet. I did 2 years of keto with some carnivore while lifting weights and had trouble ever reaching a balanced state without side effects (joint pain, fatigue, poor recovery). I introduced about 80-100 grams of fruit carbs throughout the day and never looked back. I feel fantastic and have abs now for the first time in my life. I can workout harder for longer than in my 20s (I'm 34) and I find I don't get the hyper carb/junk food/sweets cravings I dealt with on keto. However I do not eat honey after watching Paul's video about glyphosate contamination.
Yeah, it’s literally impossible to find honey that’s not contaminated, so annoying
Same if I get into “ketosis” for more than a day the cortisol and stress on my body is insane. All these guys hating on Paul for fruit and honey don’t know what they are talking about and have turned eating meat into a religion
It has more to do with the style of training. I suffered from samenside effect until I switched to HIT 1 set to failure workouts. Specifically I do DoggCrap aka DC training by Dante Trudel. It's been a huge benefit, I've had better sleep, joints are much better, recovery is optimal especially for being a natty.
@@BruceWayne-rb1mb Interesting thanks for the tip, I might give it a shot to change things up a bit.
me too2 years on keto & never felt better it was awesome healthy 2 years. now preparing for carnivore-fruit diet next year for continuing looking for better but this doesn't means that keto is bad & i might get back to keto-carnivore if carnivore-fruit diet irritate me in some way because i was feeling that when i introduce friendly keto carbs
I am not diabetic but occasionally test my glucose with a CGM (Continuous Glucose Monitor). If I eat half an orange, or a half-grapefruit, or 2 oz. of blueberries I get a pretty strong increase in my blood sugar (e.g. 100 mg/dL rises to 135 mg/dL). I don't know whether that increase is from the glucose in fruit, or the fructose, or both. All I know is that fruit spikes my blood sugar. Each person is different so it's best to do tests on yourself.
yeah but he has talked about this before. How fast does your blood sugar come back down and what is the area under the curve??? As humans I am sure we have always had blood sugar spikes, because if we found fruit, we most certainly ate it.
This is a fasting blood sugar test
Insulin spikes are normal, if they're not excessively high or frequent. The body was desigend to function this way. Everyone is afraid of insulin spikes!
You get used to carbs after a while, the body will find use for them and you will have less of a reaction.
How did you get CGM without diabetes? These MDs dont prescribe CGM with out diabetes, as if CGM cause more damage than drug and alcohol, they are sold to people with out anything.
I have tried Keto before and everytime I didn't have carb for 40+ hours I always get keto rash, tried salt bile and nutrional yeast, didn't help at all, plus getting different types of fat and worrying about every carb was quite a headache. I was also interested in pure canivor but it also doesn't include any carbs, and the idea of only being able to eat meat is definitely not something I can do long terms. I was concerned about the fructose when I first heard about your diet so I was sceptical but after watching this video I think I will give it a try. I'm lucky to live in a tropical country with easy access to fresh fruits and meat, so it sounds like the most convinient diet for someone like me.
@@Cantaste I tried to push through keto for several months and i didn’t really heal, it stopped being itchy after a month but all the scars remained until I ate carb again. Also I know it’s not something that I’m allergic to because I still get it whenever I fast for 40+ hours, meaning just a lack of carb in general causes it for me. I was never obese or had a very unhealthy diet either, and I don’t live in America so I’m not worried about excessive toxins in the food. I really like the idea of keto and carnivore, unfortunately I just have to accept that carb is something I need to eat.
A carnivore diet (eating only animal foods) isn't about any particular kind of macro nutrient ratio. It's about eliminating all but the least inflammatory foods (which are animal foods).
You can still eat honey if you want sugar, which is an animal food and which almost no one is intolerant of. If you're lactose tolerant, you can also get sugar from milk.
If you're not eating grains, seeds, etc, then you're still getting the benefits of the elimination diet, which is to avoid inflammatory foods.
Also, after you've solved your problems (diabetes, auto immune disorders, etc) eating only animal foods, you can introduce one plant food at a time and see what happens, like berries or apples.
I have a similar experience with pure keto/carnivore. Try mostly carnivore with a bit of fruit/honey (can scale based on activity levels). Personally I feel much better doing this and no rash!
Im trying this from next week, i also struggle with keto rash multiple times
I love your content paul u do a great job looking at the nuances in research. Personally i wasnt too sure about fructose being a problem and spiking my blood sugar (especially juices) but you’ve definitely changed my perspective with the research u went over, thanks man👍
I appreciate this Paul. I am no scientist, but my best sources still tell me that excess fructose (regardless of whether it is naturally sourced) is damaging. However, the carnivore community indeed vilifies fruit and honey needlessly. I myself have a little bit of fruit every day. Still, that is no license to guzzle fruit endlessly...
You are correct "excess" is the key. Devil's in the details. Plus super super critical is Who are we talking about? Context. Are we talking about a healthy 12 yrs old or a very sick, very obese 65 yrs old? Right.
Too much of any form of sugar is harmful but eating moderate amounts of fruits and honey is harmless and can add several health benefits to your body as the studies prove.
Extreme diets attract extreme people. Those are the same folks in veganism who say red meat causes cancer
How much is a little? Is that a ‘little’ for you - or are you declaring a ‘little’ for everyone? One of the issues in dietary advice for the past fifty years (at least) has been sweeping generalisation.
Literally to much of anything is harmful. To much water can kill you.
Paul you're simply great with your self-reflection and great advices.. I also think your diet is the best and most natural.
The second paper referenced ‘Food sources of fructose-containing sugars and glycaemic control’ is publish in BMJ open access (BMJ is an excellent source), but the Competing interests section is enormous…. I didn’t study it carefully but that does make the contents of the paper potentially slanted. I did notice there are many food manufacturers listed…
Thank you SO much for this!! I was really worried about these issues!🌞🙏🌟
You should still be worried. A1c test is not sensitive to fructose. Saladino is not understanding the studies he goes through. Professor Bart Kay made a response video to this video explaining in depth how Saladino is misunderstanding these studies.
@@allolp Yeah, theoretically Bart Kay great explaining in depth, on the other hand Bart Kay also claimed hes still enjoying drinking beer ( sugar/wheat) and drinking coffee ( fr. seeds) and never declare bloodwork in RUclips at all like Paul. Bart Kay is not the" walk your talk " kind of guy ...
I have berries every day and eat them with Cream. No problems as far as I know. I love Honey but even a teaspoon makes my heart race - I can feel it and it makes me want more so I am better off without it. Every body reacts differently.
I eat blueberries with kefir and honey.
i cant eat honey by itself. same issues as you. I mix mine with a glass of milk. seems to work as a preworkout pretty well for me now actually!
Great videos. Your videos and material have helped me so much. Thank you
Good. Saw Dr Berries video recently on this very subject after your last podcast with him. Looking forward to his response to the information you just presented.
I agree with Dr. Paul but I also realize every body is different. Some people thrive on a strict carnivore diet others don't and vice versa. I also believe that eating seasonally and locally is extremely important. I live in Southern California, there is no way I will eat a pineapple or banana. But ill eat the oranges and lemons growing in my backyard and I feel great!
Why is it important to eat seasonal and locally sourced fruit?
@@Lilpiktdude So you don't eat peels sprayed in a bunch of chemicals, constantly.
I grow most of the fruit that I eat the skins of. For example, blueberry bushes, table grapes, and strawberries. Apples not only have pesticides but wax, and most fruits are gassed.
It's less important to grow your own banana because it has a peel. Same with orange, watermelon, avacado, etc. You don't eat the peels on those.
There are actually a good amount of banana trees in so cal if you keep you eyes open. Usually only in peoples backyards though. But figs are everywhere.
@@-whackd Thank you
I love fruit and eat it every day. However, one thing we're not considering is that modern fruit is very different than those consumed by our primitive ancestors. Fruit is bred to not only be larger, but to also be sweeter so you're getting more sugar doubly so. When it comes to insulin response, sugar is sugar so those using diet to combat something such as an autoimmune disorder should be mindful of their fruit intake. As with anything, fruit can be eaten to excess. I myself should probably cut back...
Yeah, our ancestors were also selecting and planting the best of the best in fruit trees. Hell, even birds and squirrels would have preferred the sweetest fruits and eaten them first.
@@Mantis858585 That doesnt mean it is the bestoption, especially if you are overweight. In my opinion, carnivore is perfect to lose weight, once you have done it, you can add some fruits. Butif you you it is wise to recommend to an overweight person to eat that many carbs from fruit and honey? this guy is deluded, of course you can do it if you are as fit as him and do 3 hours of surf everyday.
When I was on a 100% fruit diet I lost 1 kg a week and on water fasting I lost 1 kg every 24 hours. I was eating 3 kg apples every day and had normal 5 in blod sugar, one day I eat a big bag of candy and my blod sugar reach 12, big difference. My body thrives on fruit and fat meat. I feel great, I feel joy, I feel love, it is euphoria.
Excellent content - much thanks Dr. Saladino. Even before viewing this video, I (70 y.o. male) have been eating lots of honey bananas/other fruits and sweet potatoes/beans along with egg-yolks, liver and sardines with excellent results, despite the discouragement from scarring info from many anti-honey and anti-fruit doctors and other health pros.
Hi Paul. Thanks for explaining your train of thoughts. Still, even if your A1c would include fructose glycation (which remains to be seen, as these are standard tests the researchers would probably not have used) I still think your mostly metabolically challenged followers are not helped with fruits and honey endorsements. Unless you want your channel to be a 'look at me, I'm doing fine' kind of thing. You would have to admit people should steer away from all sweets when they are in a diabetic twilight zone, not only for carbs, sugar fruits and honey, but even artificial sweeteners. Carb addiction is a real thing, and one of the worse drug addictions. I'd love to see your thoughts on that, and also the retorts from experts on your shots fired at keto.
Have you seem his interview with Dr. Ken Berry?
Dr. Paul Saladino, keep spreading & defending the truth around health optimisation, you are a true King! 👑
I've been following a keto diet for quite some time - mostly meat and fish, very little in the way of plants. I've lost a lot of weight and feel great. When I added fruit to my diet the weight started to come back on scarily quickly. I now have small amounts of berries. Thankfully everything has settled down again. I think everyone has a limit of the amount of fructose they can get away with. If I ate Paul's diet I would undoubtedly be gaining weiight steadily.
It's calories in, calories out, you can only gain weight If you're in a caloric surplus, upon introducing carbs back into your diet on top of what you were eating before you've put yourself into a surplus so your going to gain weight, If you want to eat more carbs(fruit) and not gain weight then you need to subtract more calories from your other macronutrients which are protein and fat, to the point where you're either in a calorie deficit or at least just your calorie maintenance level, you can't just magically put on weight just because you started eating something else, only possible if you're in that surplus
it's wrong to have Paul calories because he is so active & this is why he put a carnivore-fruit calories calculator in his website to get the perfect weight
@@epicgamingvideos8222 Sorry, but "calories in, calories out" is not correct. People who eat high processed packaged foods always tend to gain more weight, or they are not able to lose fat (especially around the belly), even when the foods are low in calories and when the person is eating less calories than they tend to burn. This is a very common thing so many people that are on dieting and exercise routines and who don't end up losing fat and/or getting a six pack back will complain about. If you don't remove bad sugars and processed foods it won't matter if you consume a few hundred less calories a day, you will still maintain some fat, especially belly fat.
@@epicgamingvideos8222 that's not true in my case. The difference in calories was negligible, it was the carbs which caused the weight gain
Check out information from Dr perlmutter on uric acid. He was Judy's you tube awhile ago, his explanation for this is good
i really appreciate you, paul.
the paper clearly states in the Discussion that "the assays cannot accurately detect in vivo fructation". **that** is why there's no detected change in a1c, because the assays are insensitive to it. 🤦♂
I remember Dr. Berry saying that a lab told him that the assay (I forgot if it was fasting glucose or HbA1c) read only glycated glucose, not fructose. This appears a critical part of the discussion. Can I request that you address this?
I addressed this in detail in the video. Please re-watch...
@@Paulsaladinomd What's throwing me off is the word 'excess'. Does the assay count the fructose in the same way that it does the glucose and with the same sensitivity, or, for example, only when the excess glycation of fructose reaches a certain threshold? And also, are you saying that the lab's statement isn't true? If there's a real true/false here rather than a subtlety, we should understand that. You say that the tests do measure all 3 sugars, and immediately follow with the statement that the numbers rise when excess fructose is consumed, and that could be construed as introducing the subtelty. Can't it be definitively shown in a lab whether the assay measures all 3 sugar glycations accurately ? Not a test data which show responses to a certain load of fructose, but a basic understanding of the chemical mechanism of the test? This test was invented, so what it does must be understood. Somebody has to lose on that argument. Sorry to be tendentious about this, but "this is wrong" could mean 'wrong in this way'. and if Dr. Berry's lab reference is untrue, I'd like him to be able to answer to that. I've asked him to address this here today.
@@john99776 i lowkey have no idea what to believe anymore 😭
@@GriffinLo I sympathise.
@@GriffinLo I've been a vegan 5 years no supplements no problems eat tons of fruit ha!
What I thought I knew about fructose was that it is only pocessed by the liver (as all toxins), and it is easily converted to fat and stored there. And it don't raise your insulin for this exact reason as insulin role is to get sugar inside cells, and fructose is not used by all cells like glucose is, only by the liver.
That's interesting, would you be able to link something for me to read?
What about the randle cycle? Wouldn't combining the high fat from carnivore with carbs from fruit and honey continually activate the randle cycle, blocking energy to the mitochondria leading to all sorts of issues like diabetes, fat gain and insulin resistance???
One of the most intelligent comments on this feed you are on it sir
Yes.
I guess it would depend on how many carbs and how quickly the body can switch over to fat fuel. I can eat a few carbs without even leaving ketosis. 100g will knock me out of ketosis for about 6 hours but I quickly regain elevated ketone levels.
@@jaywhoisit4863 Randle Cycle is activated for up to 72 hours after carb+fat ingestion
@@ppietrukaniec2 randle cycle is not “activated”! It describes the reduction in uptake of glucose when fatty acid oxidation is intense. Simply put, it’s the regulation between metabolic pathways. A fit metabolic individual switches easily between fuels as dictated by mitochondria and a host of other bio systems.
Really appreciate these videos addressing what other experts are saying directly with the studies. For anyone who doesn’t know this is a response to a recent video by Dr. Ken Berry
@Trevor F not just Ken, but also Bart Kay( recent RUclips title " Paul Makes a Fool ......".), really attacking Paul harshly regarding fruits.. Fyi Bart Kay admitted drinking beer( sugar/wheat) and coffee( seeds) in another youtube, while Paul against alcohol and seeds. I can say that at least Paul is always presented all his bloodworks ( so far 3 bloodworks) meat , organs fruits honey in RUclips ...and people become carnivore " dogma" listening only to dogmatic carnivore doctors/experts ( so called) . Due to these, people even afraid to try eating fruits bit by bit , to see if the bodies rejecting or accepting.
I was in ketosis for pretty much 6 months, first 3 months with prolonged fasts (22 to 23 hrs per day) or even 3 day fasts, then I was pure carnivore for a further 3 months. I had some huge health benefits, but I then started to develop palpitations which were worrying. I re-introduced fruit (mostly mangos) and I feel signifantly better. I never think "am I in ketosis or not?" In fact, I'm rarely in ketosis now. I've been able to gain 10lbs of muscle in the last 2 months and I feel better now at 42 than at 30. I appreciate it's different for everyone, for me personally, I LOVE being 90% carnivore and I still eat more red meat in a day than I used to eat in several months, but adding the fruit + honey makes it all a joy as opposed to a feeling like I'm creating other stressed on the body.
I don´t get it. He says "fruit is not harmful, look how the A1C levels rise".
10lbs of muscle in 2 months? Sounds half fat to me
@@dannydreelan9662 sounds like projection to me, hope your fat fingers don't hurt too much from throwing stones at strangers on the internet. Or, you could just do the work and get some results yourself ;).
@petescott I just mean 10lb of pure muscle in 2 months is next to impossible, especially coming from carnivore already and the only change is adding carbs. I'm less than 10% bf
Is there the possibility that the vitamin C given to patients in the latter study approx 10m was not a natural form and so not wise to compare to real food vitamin C sources? Thank you so much Dr Paul for sharing the studies and explaining them for us non-trained in this.
It was probably only ascorbic acid so not a complete Vitamin C
I enjoy the discussion but I think Paul went wrong in a couple of ways justifying fruit and honey. Both glucose and fructose are absorbed to the blood stream directly from the small intestine. However fructose is as quickly as possible taken up by the liver. This explains why it does not glycate the hemoglobin...it is in contact with it only briefly unless absolutely massive amounts are ingested. Glucose is regulated quite closely in the blood stream and causes a great insulin effect than does fructose. All this means that your A1c reading will not likely rise unless you saturate yourself with fructose. HOWEVER, this does not mean fructose is harmless. The liver needs to process this immediately as all sugars are very reactive in the body. This is what makes them such an easy fuel source. Your fat creation process goes into overdrive and your triglycerides levels will rise. In addition there are some other pathways that are upregulated by fructose in particular that cause fat accumulation and insulin resistance. Sure, if you start extremely metabolically healthy and you have enough muscle mass to store this as glycogen AND you also live a very active lifestyle, then fruit and honey is of no concern. But for 99.9% of people where that is not the case, then it is definitely a problem and provides no benefits of worth.
I have researched fruit, honey and fructose for many years, and here is what I learned:
Fruit, which is named after fructose, has a lot of fructose in it. So does honey. What exactly is fructose? It is a monosaccharide, or simple sugar that is very sweet. It is produced by trees, and just about every animal that exists has developed a taste for it. Since animals like to eat fruit and love the taste of fructose, there has to be some evolutionary benefit to fruit, or we would not like the taste. Instinct are not magic, nor do they fall out of the sky. They have evolved, and evolved for a reason.
I figured out the reason.
The real reason it tastes so good is because it helps the fruit tree reproduce. Since trees can't move like animals can, trees use animals as a transport mechanism, and the seeds in fruit have evolved from the tree so an animal will eat a fruit, and take the indigestible seeds to somewhere else. The fruit tree is using us animals to help it grow in another location.
Animals benefit from the fructose they eat also. The way animals benefit is that the fructose caused metabolic changes to their body, which allows them to gain fat, and prepare for a lack of food.
Our ancestors, as well as many other animals need a way to prepare for the annual winter lack of food they had to face. This is why most fruits ripen in the fall, so animals like bears can eat as much as they can, while the fruit is still available. The fructose causes hunger and energy depletion, and fat gain, which might mean the difference between life and death.
Bears will eat 10,000 berries a day in the fall to gain body fat to prepare for hibernation. Birds will eat fruit to gain fat to prepare for a 5,000 mile migration. Even camels will eat dates, which cause fat gain, and as that fat metabolizes, it becomes a source of metabolic water. When fat is metabolized, it provides a source of water.
This is the real reason you want to avoid eating too much fruit or honey. The fructose causes metabolic changes designed to help us survive a famine, but since we have no famines anymore, and we eat extracted fructose year round, we are preparing for a famine that is never going to come.
Don't eat fruit or honey unless you are planning on gaining body fat or preparing for a famine...this is the evolutionary role of fructose, true fact.
Dr. Saladino, I've heard that the A1C blood test will only tell you the glycation effect of Glucose but not of Fructose and that Fructose causes far more glycation than Glucose. What are your thoughts on this?
That's exactly what researchers said in the referenced by Paul study, yet he decided not to tell about it at all.
I don’t disagree. I think some of the confusion is how much honey! I was eating 2 apples every day cut up into several bites. Dipping each piece in a jar of honey and the next thing I know probably 3 or 4 ounces were gone. Result! Without changing my food I gained10# in a couple months. I stopped eating honey and when my weight drops maybe a tablespoon or two at the most.
I wish the videos of these subjects separated the discussion of harmful versus optimal and also accounted for age and health. My grandparents ate everything in moderation fruits, carbs, meats, veggies, sweets, and lived to 96 years old without ever being fat, ever being on a diet, having any metabolic disease etc. So unless we assume they would have lived to their 100s otherwise, none of the food was very harmful to them even if maybe not optimum. They also never exercised but also did not drink coffee nor alcohol.
My medical history has been very different because I am not very good at moderation and so I overeat sweets and carbs and food in general and have been fat multiple times in my life. So I assume what is healthy for me and sustainable is not the same as my grandparents.
Also, eating local fruits in costa rica will be very different than what I buy in my local supermarket.
Where you live makes a big difference. For example if I eat in US restaurants a few times a week, the food makes me gain weight quickly. Yes when I go to Europe and eat 3 meals a day in restaurants for 2 weeks, ordering similar food, I maintain my weight. The quality of food and how it is cooked makes a difference because I am no more active in Europe than here. My point is again, fruit and fruit may not be the same and healthy very active 45 year old may have very different experience than a woman in 50s who is a lot less healthy and active.
It’s probably seed oils. Your grandparents weren’t exposed to nearly the level we are - especially if you aren’t looking out for it.
@@solidsnake9924 That could be. I grew up cooking using butter and lard and my grandparents were in their 50s when I was born. It was only later we all started using oils.
Probably less sugar and Seed oils as mentioned above.
If they were used to cooking their meals ans and using whole foods.
There was a video pn seed oils from a channel called low carb down under. They visited an isolate set of people from a different part of the world who's main diet consisted of sweet potatoes (yams etc).
They were very healthy people as they never touched seed oils and processed foods/sugars was not part of their diet.
I think simply cooked foods, no seed oils and sugars is kind of the lesser extreme.
@@renatarandmcfadden1872 Probably oils v. butter in cooking is the difference in restaurants too. Oils are as bad or worse than sugar.
I also suspect that the reason fruit is not damaging is due to low levels of oxidation compared to processed sugar and juicing.
Research on human gene says that our life expectancy on average is 120 years old. That means if you do everything as you should by nature, and if there's no freaky accident to kill you short, you would be able to live up to 120 years old ON AVERAGE. That means you could theoretically live a lot longer than 120. So based on that, your grandparents lived 24 years short of the average span. In the context of longevity, anything that isn't optimum can be considered harmful, considering even if the foodstuff doesn't cause any acute truly noticeable symptom, it still cuts your lifespan short.
Ill be honest, i thought Ken Berry destroyed you in the "debate". But now i am leaning your way. I have started adding a small amount of honey to my carnivore diet, and my energy is finally back! I can finally workout!
I don´t get it. He says "fruit is not harmful, look how the A1C levels rise".
The main thing that Paul or any other fruit/carnivore influencer has yet to address is the vast high deterium that is in fruit and honey and damaging to mitochondria long term.
I'll still be here waiting...
You can reduce deuterium with dry fasting but Saladino diet cause too much decrease of mitochondrial activity because of the high arachidonic low dha ratio and fruits centered diet.
Evidence?
@GhillieGoat more excuses on your end. I'm still waiting for Paul aka RatBoy to address this. He has talked about all aspects but has been dodging this one for the past 2 years bc he knows he can't defend his diet on this.
@GhillieGoat if you can't handle Truth, then you're far from saving.
@GhillieGoat sure buddy
Great clarification on the different aspects of sweeteners!
I love your videos. So please don't take this question as an attack. Given your including of honey and fruit in your diet, why are you still calling yourself Carnivore MD?
Same reason he says carnivore diet is what our ancestors ate despite the reality-humans ate what was available, and we ate legumes and all kinds of vegetables, and we’ve been processing food for thousands of years.
@Sara Andersson Sounds like you just made that number up. Provide a source.
Do you know that Bears eat berries and honey? They are still carnivores
@@Netvoyodelo111 I didn't know that, thanks for sharing.
@@BadMannerKorea we did not have access to or grow vegetables for a considerable period of time. History shows that when we did start “farming” and including more plant based foods our health suffered.
My hunch is that fruit and honey are good if you are metabolically healthy, but once your metabolism is damaged for a long enough time those foods are no longer going to be good for you except in moderation, or even not at all for certain people. I feel great when eating fruit and raw honey, but it seems to completely stall my weight loss.
Thank you Paul for the awareness you are bringing you have changed my life for the better ! Peace and love to you brother x
My gut healed very well on 4 years strict carnivore and allowed me too add fruit without my previous cravings, insulin spikes etc.. I now can no more eat excessive fruit than I can overeat steak. When I'm done, I'm done!
If methylglyoxal (MGO) is bad for you, why is Manuka honey touted as being so good for you because of its containing MGO? The higher the better.
My painter is a fruitarian, he is wasting away to a frail old man in his 30s. The scary thing is he has is yound son eating a similar way.
Many fruits seem to make me a bit itchy. I know others have issues with citrus. I can't eat avocado under any circumstances. Not all fruits are equal. Some fruits are outright poisonous. Plants will adapt fruits to be poisonous to mammals and eaten by birds for example.
Avocados are loaded with histamines, which is what's causing the itchiness when you have one.
@@vaska1999 Avocados are much worse than itchiness. They cause me intense stomach pain.
Home-made almond milk, Oatmeal, flaxseed, raisins, maca, mushroom powder, walnuts, pecans and dates every morning for the past 5 years and I am in the best shape of my life! Knee problems and inflamation are gone! I'm 53 and ran my first two marathons.
Nothing wrong with organic glyphosate-free oatmeal if you soak and rinse it a couple of times with warm water. Phytic Acid is water soluble and will mostly be removed. Personally, after rinsing, I ferment the oats by mixing in kefir.
He looked far better physically before as well.
I don't have a gall bladder and was strict carnivore for 2 years. I saw amazing things happen to my health: I dropped 90 pounds, my high blood pressure returned to normal, I was no longer prediabetic, and my stomach issues completely went away. However, I had constipation and very hard stools. After consulting my doc, who is carnivore also, he suggested I add some blueberries and a couple of avocados a week. He thought the fiber might help with the constipation and make my stools softer. It worked. I'm still 90% carnivore, but I do eat blueberries, avocados, and occasionally dill pickles. You need to do what works for your own body.
Anybody that needs to lose body fat, and is metabolically ill, diabetes etc., should not eat fruit, honey or any other type of carb until they get to their goal weight, and are metabolically well. People in the well zone can eat fruit and some good carbs if they wish while keeping track of body fat levels, and their metabolic numbers. IF they start to rise, you know what you have to do.
Been doing Whole Foods only for a while now, switched to animal based with rice and potato and oats a couple weeks ago. Ive been going strict animal based the past couple days and I’m loving it! Workouts have been great, bloating is going away, body composition is improving already!
We need a response to Bart Kay’s video. A conversation would be great.
Thank you doctor, I really feared carbs, being in very painful osteoporosis 54 y old, going to keto, then carnivore. I had same symptoms as you told having, cramps etc. I went to your site and saw a helpful advice of what amount of fruit, grease ant meat I should eat. Feeling more energy and less stress, cramps have gone.
What was actually being eaten on the Atkins diet in the study showing methylglyoxal issues?? I have seen pretty ugly packaged foods sold for Atkins including seed oils and chemicals and, of course, many problematic veggies...
It looks like fruit and honey consumption isn't an issue once a person is metabolically healthy. Thank you for this information.
Hey Paul could you explain to me why fruit causes changes in my hunger? I'm hungrier after I consume fruit. I believe fructose in the liver may be changing the hunger signaling? Do you get this feeling?
thats because it spikes your insulin levels, and that makes you more hungry
@@MikasLinus it's possible, I have suspected that as the reason . But it might not be that, as this sensation does not happen if say, I consume starch or something. I know insulin changes alot of physiological mechanisms with in the body but theres something fructose is doing in the liver and maybe insulin is involved but idk
Probably because of evolution. When fruit is available, ghrelin is increased to stimulate overeating to get fat for the winter
@@matijagrguric6490 Ya that's a good answer! that could very well be true
Many thanks, Paul, for you continued and zealous research putting to death mythologies that have been created in ignorance. This explains the reverence the ancient Greeks had for honey as the premium food on the planet, life giving and longevity producing with many drinks and preparations dedicated to its usage, as explained in the book by Dr. Bodog f. F. Beck honey and your health. How wonderful when truth is affirmed as truth!
But what about impact of fruit and honey on fatty liver ?
In the Discussion section of the 1st study, the scientists state, "These data (referring to Table 1) indicate that neither assay can accurately detect in vivo fructation." In other words, the degree of fructation may actually be higher than what the A1C numbers seem to indicate. Therefore, there are indeed hidden dangers to consuming fruits and honey. So, how did you end up drawing exactly the opposite conclusion from the study?
Because a presenting a deep discussion of these studies may shed light on their shortfalls. It's better to just present the title and quote a conclusion.
Don't take me wrong. The discussion is warranted and appreciated, but not the fearmongering undertone
smart person.
I ate a few organic bananas earlier this week after not having any fruit in months. this caused a mild bit of throat itching which didnt really bother me, but the next morning i had some puffyness under my eyes. ive never had any kind of reaction to bananas before in my life.
2 bananas is too much for me. One is my limit. The same with mangoes and melons. Anymore than a small amount and my throat starts itching and closing.
I never had 2 bananas one by one unless they were very little. Like small size bananas from Costa Rica.
Your microbiome has changed.
I love bananas, but I can no longer eat them, or any fruit for that matter. If I do eat fruit (even just half of a small banana) I wake up with a headache. Fruit and honey give me headaches, so no more. I'm very low carb, so maybe having eliminated sugar out of my diet for more than four years might have something to do with re-introducing fruit.
Were the bananas ripe? Were they at least yellow?
I’ve been doing Animal-based to the T with the exception of coffee for the past 2 years and although it has healed many symptoms of my psoriatic arthritis, I STILL have reynaud’s (extreme cold sensitivity), and have the occasional hip joint flare up.
I do it all. Raw liver, raw milk, raw cheese, organic fruit, local glyphosate free honey, pasture raised eggs, all grass fed.
I believe there is a danger to fructose in some metabolically damaged individuals.
I’m 28 years old and lift 6 days a week. I get direct sun exposure 2 hours a day.
I just cut out all fruit, honey, and carbs to see what goes down. I also started cold plunging to perhaps regulate my cold sensitivity?
Paul, what the heck man? Could it be the coffee? Even though it’s low mycotoxin?
U have thyroid issues
AGE's come from cooking starches and processed sugars with oil at high heat or with protein where the maillard reaction occurs. French fries with ketchup and a charred burger would be the most notorious example of this. As far as I know there is zero mechanism for raw unprocessed sugar from fruit in isolation to result in any measurable glycation.
maillard reaction is not the same as charring.
As a species we've never had fruit available all year round, we're just not able to handle that much fructose. Bears can do it because they hibernate but humans just add fat for lean times that never come. In small amounts, yes but there are dangers in eating a lot of fruit.
So anywhere close to the equator gets snow and no fruit available?? Lmfao come on. Think about what you sayin
Heck, even aged beef causes greater histamine issues in some people. All case by case, all context specific to a specific person. Fruit no different. Who is the person, what is their past and present health status, what is their present diet, which fruit, and what is the dosage of the fruit... All critical factors.
Very convincing video. What is left to figure out is the individually determined optimum level of which fruit. This tricky detail is important. Adding too much adds weight. What is unclear is if adding fruit in any amount decreases MG. Dr. Paul at 12:30 said it does. But I saw a no evidence presented for that statement.
My concern is if I stop eating a restrictive carnivore only diet, if it will reverse the work I have been doing to reduce my prostate inflammation, which has been a significant reduction. I can finally “empty” my blatter almost completely. I just don’t want to undo this because of some fruit :(. But I sure do miss having it!
It would be great if you could ask yourself and your guests a question : " what would you do if you would get the diagnosis of being a Type 2 diabetic "
This considering that lots of people are insulin resistant and/or diabetics. Thank you.
I learned that sugar and teeth health are not compatible. Paul, please make a video that sugar from fruit is not damaging teeth. Or it it?
its not the sugar thats bad for teeth since its ph i 7. Its if the teeth are dirty that attracts bacteria, and the bacterias byproducts are acidic that hurts the teeth. But sugar is water soluble so just keep the teeth clean and rinse with water after and one should be fine. But if you eat the sugar with fat or there is starches involved it may be harder to keep the teeth clean
I’m telling y’all, Paul is on to something that the carni community is ignoring. I love this, retained all the health benefits from my time on carnivore but now I’m not fatigued and cramping. I’m a carb baby ftw
I don´t get it. He says "fruit is not harmful, look how the A1C levels rise".....????
@@Hepta.Asteras A1C rises when consuming pure fructose, as shown in the study he presented with the mice, is what he was saying and that was predictable because in pure form it metabolizes differently in the body than when consumed as part of a food matrix (a whole food). So his argument is that fructose in a food matrix will not raise hemoglobin A1C and that you can use this blood testing metric to verify if fruit and honey are harming you. Hence why he said that sugar has no “hidden” dangers, because we can test if it’s doing harm to the body via this blood test. This is how I understood him. But I watched this back like 5 times before I felt like I understood what he was saying. Hopefully I’m not too far off in my interpretation
I think the problem some of us face is we try to get to scientific about our diet and the fact is, there is still so many gaps in the science. Apart from which everyone's body is unique to them. I think some common sense will go a long way though. The ultimate guide is looking back at what your healthy grandparents ate, yes those ones that ate lots of fruits and meat and live until there 90's and only saw a doctor once every 25 years. I personally struggle with fruit but to say its not good for my neighbour is ridiculous. Sometimes the lens we are using to look at a problem can be misleading. I am sensitive to certain chemicals used on fruit. If I decided to just have any glass of milk I will most likely become very ill from it but if I have a glass of A2 type milk I am fine and even better if it was raw. We must be diligent and try to understand our own body types. It's the same thing with meat and carbs, I thought for years that I needed HCl supplements to digest meat until I realised that I struggled to digest meat when eaten with certain carbs. Some of the solution is in front of our nose Paul can only do so much to help you.
Thank you for this comment!!🙌 As soon as I tried reintroducing fruit in the form of fruit salads my mom would often have when I visited (she's pesco-vegetarian), I would be breaking out into painful zits along my jaw and chin before the end of the day and have terrible bloating. I have to be careful with honey consumption setting off my sugar cravings. I have been working with Dr. Rob Cywes to address the cravings and have made tons of progress. I read Dr. Paul's book The Carnivore Code and recently gave it to a friend in nursing school. I also listen to Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Shawn Baker and the various researchers and professors over on the channel Low Carb Down Under. The best lesson I've gotten from this experience eating carnivore is to listen to my body above all else. I love the experience of eating fruit, it's juicy and delicious but it does not agree with my body and I value the feeling of a pain-free life with a clear complexion more than eating food I enjoy. Everyone wants a one-size-fits-all solution to their problems but when it comes to our individual health needs, I believe that is impossible. However, the carnivore diet is the closest thing I've ever seen to that with just how many testimonials there are in people who have reversed + put into remission so many difficult + chronic diseases and conditions.
You’re trying to get scientific ? If that were the case you’d be limiting your saturated fat content and eating vegetables.
@@snowKat1313 Good comment!
Lol, love how Paul and Ken banter back and forth! 👍👍🙏
Because I am active working out, I add fruit + Honey to my carnivore diet. Lately, I have been getting some cramping in calves, stomach (putting on socks), back muscles post workout a few house after. I need to probably increase my fruit + honey to reduce cramping based on lost electrolytes.
Have you tried upping your fat intake? And electrolytes will probably help.
@@Lamz.. I may try that too
Ya if the diet isn't working for you doubling down is the most rational thing to do no doubt. 😆 🤣. Seriously though I feel for you because my diet direction is lost at the moment as well. Soaking in an Epsom salt bath and or sprays or lotions with magnesium will help. Magnesium absorbs better through skin.
Love this video Paul. Will we see you and Layne Norton on the show next year? You 2 have evolved so much and it appears you both have more in common now.
I eat fruit every dat but only for breakfast (only fruit breakfast). It helps me to go to the bathroom and also I feel hydrated. Honey, mainly with kefir, it is so tasty and my body loves it!
I'm a raw vegan I just want to say to you you are smart individual, these conversations around fruit is it healthy or not I find them laughable, more entertainment for me, fruit King over here baby
True. There are no hidden dangers. They are all in plain sight!
Dr. Paul, are you concerned about the oxalic acid found in fruit? There are quite a bit of oxalates in papaya, bananas, and other fruits you consume. Thanks!
The pectin in fruit binds with the oxalate preventing it from doing any harm to our bodies.
@@Z_pav do you have a study that shows this, please? Oxalic acid is attracted to calcium and other minerals.
@@sahntahdemon I use the Marek Doyle Oxalate Calculator. Papayas are higher in oxalates than bananas. Pears being even higher. Low oxalate is blueberries and apples.
@@sahntahdemon yes, I am subscribed to her channel. I have been watching Sally for awhile. She may know a lot, but I prefer multiple sources. I never listen to one person. As a board certified practitioner myself, I would never want my clients listening only to me. Sally has done incredible research, but so have others. Thank you for the suggestion.
Have your stomach biome checked for oxalobacter. If you have it oxalates are not an issue for you. If you don't have it they may be able to replace it...
I started carnivore two months ago thanks for your content and have lost some hip fat. I do honey with raw milk every morning 👏🏻
People should not be pounding fruit and honey if they are not working out hard and strictly following a meat based diet. It would be a disaster!
Don’t think that’s what he’s saying in the vid
@@aono335 I know but it’s important for him to point that out.
Our body creates sugar on its own. We do not need extra sugar in any form of sugar, period. We eat fruit because it's sweet and we like it, but it's harmful to some extent. If you wanna eat fruit, stick to low glycemic fruit like berries (blueberries, raspberries, etc). It's very hard on us when someone points out something bad that we are doing and we wanna keep doing it, like this person on the video. He probably loves fruit and honey, and he will try to defend it at all cost, but he can't win here. Fruit in excess is also dangerous.
I think the problem with Paul’s message is that most of us are coming from a metabolically unhealthy state and honey and fruit can be devastating. Does he really think a type 2 diabetic will improve with eating sugar just because it’s wrapped up in fiber?
Nah, I'm pretty sure that metabolically unhealthy people eat absolute garbage. And that if they ate animal based + fruit / honey, their metabolic disease will go away.
No. You are so, so, so wrong sadly. Fiber is not what you think it is. Sorry to tell you that. I’ll let you do your own research. Sugar is your enemy when processed, like cane sugar. It’s okay to enjoy fructose when in fruit because of more than just the fiber. There’s also different kinds of fiber, so do some research on that. Just don’t eat much honey or fruit then. Find the amount that works for you. You were being afraid eating sugar your whole life, and you still ended up type two diabetic. Might suck to admit but you need some sugar, because your body is addicted to it. It’s more addictive than crack.
@@JohnHerbert-pk6yu You certainly don't NEED sugar at all. Being addicted to it is a BAD THING. Most cancers feed on sugar so why not avoid it at all costs. Dr Saladino here just wants to eat fruit and honey. That's fine but bad advice is still bad advice.
fiber is a negative for humans.
dr. paul mason knows.
book called fiber menace knows.
carnivores know
Try Akkermansia
I always found Berry's research weird - you mean to tell me what nature has designed for us to eat is killing us? - Colorful, ripe, tasty, loaded with energy & wanting to be eaten. I'm open to discussion but I remain unconvinced by insignificant research. Thank you for responding to Berry's video as it left me confused & wanting answers
@Eddie Goeke jesus that guy is insufferable to listen to
The dangers are not hidden, correct. You can see them clear as day.
You left out the dangers out of your comment, because even you yourself know YOU are lying
@@patrickbateman4541 nope their not lying
The overall question is they are not harmful to humans, and he’s right only some humans 😊 because of their condition they might be in.
@@NIYA-7 I don't see any from you either
@@patrickbateman4541 of course you dont
But Dr. Paul, both fructosamine and HbA1c measure glycation but focus on different proteins and time frames. They indicate blood glucose levels and diabetes management rather than directly measuring AGEs, which have broader implications for health and chronic disease.
My wife and I were in great health. But when we started to listen to Dr. Berry about the Carnivore Diet, we thought we give it a good try. We were perfect weight when we started, but started to lose weight we couldn't afford to lose. I lost 18 pounds of muscle which made me lose my strength. My wife also lost quite a bit of muscle. My heart was no longer beating regularly because my electrolytes were too low. We ate plenty of salt, butter and even Dr. Berry's electrolytes, but our health continued to decline. We also lost a lot of our hair. I could tell my testosterone had went way down. I told my wife we had to quit this. This diet was killing us. That's when we found Dr. Paul Saladino and added fresh fruits, raw milk and raw honey to our diet, along with the grass fed beef we were already eating. Our health began to turn around and we started to feel better immediately. Over the next several months, we got our muscle back and our hair grew back in. I also got my testosterone back. But the thing I wasn't expecting was, I could do the splits! I haven't been able to do the splits in decades. I'm more limber now than I've ever been. I believe this is due to the raw honey. I discovered a researcher that studied and lived among a tribe called the Honey Shepherds. They walk many miles every day looking for trees to climb to gather their honey. They lick it off their hands and arms while they gather it and their diet consists of mostly honey. He noticed how heathy this tribe was. But what impressed him most was how limber and flexible they were. He believes it is because of the raw honey. He discovered several people that are serious Yoga people that swear by raw honey to make them flexible. I am a believer now!
I completely agree with you, it happened to me the same.
The carnivore diet combined with fruits is way better than keto.
Seems everyone is different I’ve heard many similar stories like this Paul himself started fruit from the electrolyte issues, I had them too. But then others are fine and worse with fruit , .where you from ?
Did any of you limit protein in fear of getting kicked out of ketosis?
Cause that seem to be the case often. Allways staying in ketosis without a natural insulin spike when eating more protein.
@HowdyHeyHowDoYouDo Nope, I ate plenty of grass fed beef, eggs and butter.
Similar story for me!