Can't be carry distances with Arccos data. Even being there it's not easy to evaluate that (except when pitching on a green). So that's total distances. Not that it should do a big difference (at least on the lower part of the handicap spectrum) as the roll out on irons should be minimal. On top of that, another methodology question: is the median a "median between recorded shots" (ie the distance so that there are as many shots with said iron for said hcp class that landed further as there were landing shorter) or a median of "averages per players" (the distance so that there are as many players in the base that have an average distance further than this as there are players with a shorter one)?
I think the reason the PW gap is large from a 9i is its a club people are likely to take some distance off (perhaps rather than using a full gap wedge, or they may not have one)
These numbers are ‘Average’ distances. When I pull out an iron, I more often than not are going for a FULL swing, the few times that I don’t won’t drop the average that much. But, when I pull out why Pitching Wedge, I can expect any and all types of shots, full swings, pitch shots and chip shots, those shorter swings explain the lower averages for the higher handicap players. Hence the large gaps between the 9I and PW. The scratch to low handicap players would use a gap wedge instead of the pitching wedge for those shorter shots, meaning their PWs won’t have short shots lowering their averages.
I work with Garmin, what I notice is that the average distance takes pitch shots into account. So might be logical there is such a large gap between pitching wedge and 9i.
I am in my 60's and have a 9.9 handicap but do not hit the ball as far as my younger playing partners who all have a higher handicap. I may have shorter distances with my shots, but I am slightly better with my accuracy and course management. Bottom line, we are all different in age, height, swing speed which all effect distance. We are not average, we are all golfers.
I find it very confusing to have this sort of data. How do you compare the carry distance of my 7 iron (34° blade) with the carry distance of modern "power bats" with a 28° "7 iron" that flies miles in the sky and spins 30% less? Shaft length might even be different... What's the need, as well? As long as your irons fly a consistent distance that you know, you're golden. We might as well have the irons with their distance stamped on them instead of numbers.
You asked why the gaps are so large between the PW and 9i for higher handicappers. The simple answer is what they are doing with lofts. The low handicappers tend to have more blades or traditionally lofted clubs with 4 degrees separating each club. The higher the handicapper, the more likely they are of having "player distance" or "game improvement" irons. If you look at the lofts, you will see that the PW to 9i is 5 degrees (and some have an actual 6 degrees of difference) but the mid to long irons only have a 2-3 degree difference. I have been saying for years that this is ass-backwards. The lofts should be closer together for the scoring clubs, not the other way around. My buddy has Srixon 585 irons, for example. His 4 iron is 24 degrees and his 5 iron is 26 degrees, which is why he only hits his 4-iron 5-7 yards farther than his 5 iron (so he scrapped it for a hybrid). But, his PW is 44 degrees and his 9-iron is 39 degrees, so he hits his 9i 15+ yards further than his PW. Of course he does....that's what happens when there is a 5 degree difference at the top end of the bag but 2 degrees at the bottom. MAKES NO SENSE. Hey, OEMS, STOP DOING THIS!!!!!!
Gapping is probably down to the lofts of the clubs being used. As handicaps go up the ball striking won’t be so good and the longer clubs need decent clubhead speed to keep the gaps equal. With modern power bats the lofts are so strong that a wedge is more like a nine a five is like a four hence you end up with more hybrids and wedges in the bag as the set irons only work from wedge to five or even six for some people.
Argos only measures total distance not carry distance as you are constantly referring to. This is a huge point you are miss representing in the video. Even though these are global averages these do not take account of course conditions so the SD numbers around these numbers would also help people get a clearer picture of where they stand.
Having watched the video and read some of the comments provided, I feel that that the majority of the comments are missing the point. The reason for using these collated figures is to provide golfers of all abilities an average overall standard to assess their own personal game according to their handicap range, there are always going to be exceptions to the rule, remember these are averages.don't be too pedantic or try to read too much into every single statistic provided it is a guide based on a lot of information gathered. Give the presenter a break not a breakdown. Excellent instruction video well done
All very fine statistics wise ......... THE ONLY STAT MISSING THE LOFT of the various clubs used ! ! ! .......... modern 7-irons can range from 29 degrees (or less ! ! ) back to traditional 34 degrees ............ so a modern 29 degree 7-iron would equate to my traditional 6-iron, etc., etc., etc............and whilst I appreciate modern irons have more height/stopping power on greens, we are still talking about how far a club hits the ball on the full ........... so I think this review requires much more reference to the club loft degrees involved ............. look forward to Golf Monthly feedback on my comments ??????????
Yes sir - very true. Not that it's completely relevant to your point, but Bryson's 7 iron is 25 degrees. Admittedly he pounds the ball further than a traditional 5 or 6 iron with this loft but you get the gist.. I'd like to see manufacturers claim that this year's super amazing 30 degree club (club number not even relevant) goes longer and has a tighter disbursement than last year's 30 degree club...
Great to see ACTUAL data from the golf course vs a RUclipsr's theoretical data from an indoor setup. NOTE: The data is MEDIAN not AVERAGE distances. MEDIAN means the distance most commonly hit with a particular club (in statistics language = highest frequency). This differs to an AVERAGE as outliers have no effect on a MEDIAN. The data only shows what is going on out there in real life. This gives a useful benchmark, but there is no should. Each one of us hits the ball where we hit it according to a variety of variables. This data allows us to see how we stack up against others of ALL age groups together. As others have posted, it is reassuring data that is considerably less long than the numbers put up by RUclipsrs in ideal conditions. The very good data from people like AskGolfNut therefore represents the theoretical maximum carry (no wind, flat surface) for the swing speeds and clubs used. Thanks for the vid.
Club lofts and design are a HUGE part of distance. I could (in theory) take a blade 7i and a fat chunky 7i and average 30 yards difference between them. I naively used to think tour pros couldn't hit their irons very far at all, but that's because their lofts are much higher and thinner on their clubs compared to what I used to hit. I switched from r7 irons to JPX 921 Forged and lost some distance due to going to a more "players iron", but gained more workability in my shot when I want it.
I didnt read for other answers but i would suggest that lower handicap players will have more short yardage clubs in their bags than the higher handicap players. That pw probably sees much higher usage
Great review and believe these numbers , let’s be honest we all think we’re hitting balls longer than we are. I’m a senior handicap 18 now I put a card in every round, hit my 7 about 135 and my PW 100 yards. I carry 4 wedges AW, PW, SW, LW, find this covers me from my 9 iron so no real gaps. Fallen in love with Dynapwr forged very easy to hit with nice feel, but working with my pro as I add 2 degrees on the strike need to compress the ball better so will delay new irons till I’m sorted.
I play with a lot of high handicappers and they favour their pitching wedge for anything from 70-100 yards. Standard sets tend to stop at PW or maybe they have a SW. But a SW is 54 degrees, PW can be 44-48. So there's a big gap. So you can buy a 'set' of wedges, try and hammer a SW and hit it fat or learn to play 3/4 wedge shots.
A lot of these numbers must be age related as well. 20 years ago I was a worse golfer, but hit it further. Now I'm older I've realised its not all about 300 yard drives and I have a much better short game.
I think that most don't use there PW for full swing, but rather close to the green from either coming up short or feel its the best club for them to get it on the green....as for Arcos...it is amazing!!! got it for free with my new set of clubs, and yes its like 200 if you just go out and buy it, but damn is it dead on after you let it track your rounds, its dead on money....even when it tells me to say, use an 8 iron, when I think I should use a 9....and I stick it dead center of the green!! its really amazing....well worth the price, even if you have to buy the sensors...yall need to look into it!!
If it's Arccos, then it's total, not carry. I thought the numbers were a little short, just as you said. I'm a 4hcp, and these 0-5 numbers are right around mine, but my swing speed is quite a bit slower than that of average players at my hcp. I guess there are more slow-swinging single cappers out there than I thought! I have interesting gapping in P-7 iron as well, but that's because I use all those clubs for so many different shots and distances. Arccos doesn't know what to make of it. It's like, "why did he use 7-iron from 110 yards in the middle of the fairway?" But Arccos doesn't know that it was raining, it was 45°F, and it was straight into a 30-mph wind.
OK, first point - These are median not average distances ... quite different things and you can't casually mix n match median and mean (average) Secondly, we don't know the lofts. 15 index and my 7 goes ~ 150 metres so 165 yards but it's 32 degrees which is what my old 6 iron was
Is handicap nd distance directly linked. Though there maybe some link, but accuracy is more a mark of handicap. I could hit 7 170, quite accurately for a while, but my handicap never below 18
It's very simple, the higher handicappers think of the pw as a wedge because of the name, pitching wedge. They use it as they expect a "wedge" should be used, without taking a full swing. As a 20 handicap I am learning the pw should possibly not be considered a "wedge" if that makes any sense.
Are those big gaps at 9i-PW because iron lofts have become so much stronger, but wedges have tended to stay the same, so the loft gap between 9i and PW has become greater?
I don't necessarily disagree with the numbers mentioned in this video. However, everyone's swing speed varies, how they deliver the club, centered or off-centered hits will either increase or decrease the distance of the shot, and lastly, the kind of clubs being used (blades, cavity-back, more forgiving irons and so on. Not to mention how old the clubs are and are the clubs weaker or stronger lofted. All these points come into play here. I also need to mention, age of the golfer will also matter on how far they'll be able to hit the ball using these clubs. Typically as you age, your distance decrease some.
A lot of the higher handicap players I play with do not hit their PW full because it's a 'wedge'. If it said 10 on the bottom making it an iron, I think they would commit to a full shot thus closing the gap
I disagree, it's not pointless, but I do agree to the point that I can vary the length of my shorter clubs simply by changing ball position and shaft lean when I'm playing a shot.
It's all very interesting and brings great debate points, yet there are so many variables... I would very much like to see the statistics with distances for age ranges, distances for those ages with the different handicaps.
@@richardh2536 I think the relative values (gaps, difference between different handicaps) had value since they probably use the same formula to convert total to carry. The specific values are approximate.
Interesting - i think age is a factor too but good to know that in general, not everybody hits bombs. Also, as a 24 hc, i hit my driver 260ish but when the first goes ob and my second hits the rough, should that be 130 to account for my not being able to par a hole 😂
Does the average take into account that with a PW/SW you're more likely to take something off or choke down to control distance? If not the gap is meaningless.
I think the numbers are very misleading (well based on my experience they are) if the system registers all shots inc the chips say with a 7 iron your fats and thins and other miss hits then yes those are probably the averages but that has zero bearing on the club you choose when stood on the tee for the distance in front of you, you might hit your 7 iron 170yds but out of 10 shots you fluff 2 so the average drops dramatically but you don't hit to those averages as a handicap golfer, otherwise you'll hit 8 bad shots in every ten not two.
I think we should ditch club numbers and just use loft numbers as they are all do different these days - we stick to lofts on wedges, driver & woods so why not irons? I’ve had 7 irons from 27.5 to 34 degrees 🤷♂️
I am pretty sure the way the Arccos sensors work is that they calculate total distance, NOT carry distance, the tags just measure where you first hit a shot and then where your next shot is subsequently hit from. They have no way to accurately work out carry distances. Also, I am not sure that your handicap is necessarily an indication of how far you can hit the ball, you could have two players with the same handicap but one hits it much further but less accurately and the other hits it shorter but with greater control. Lots of young guys can hit the ball long distances but not necessarily with any great accuracy and I suspect their handicap would be higher. Not a very useful video, Golf Monthly
Is that carry or total distance? Age is a factor, I will soon be 72, play off 6, and I know how far I hit all my clubs. How does 'how far you hit it' relate to a handicap. All nonsense, I play with some guys a lot younger, bang the ball miles, yet have a double figure handicap. If they geared it back and stayed in play, their handicaps would come down, for a fact. I am a fairway finder, get tired of looking for balls, in the rough, in the trees, for these 'big hitters' Too much DISTANCE! DISTANCE! DISTANCE! on RUclips now, try promoting the short game, where it really counts.
Honestly- this data is about as useful as the average speed of cars by their paint colour on the A1. There is no context to this data and it will just fall into incredibly generalised information. AKA there is a correlation between the distance you hit the ball and your handicap.
Arcoss doesn’t measure carry distance, so not sure how this video came about. Also, short game more often than not determines handicap, so whilst i like golf monthly, this vlog is a wrongun
Not sure how true of a representation this would be. It would all depend on the person. I just started golf this year, 32 handicap. I CAN carry my 5 iron 190.. I also can and perhaps more likely l top it 5 feet. The “average” may be 120 but who gages their yardages off miss hits..? Just my thoughts as a new golfer.
Handicap golfers don't deloft their wedges like the best players, they add loft and use cheaper balls that launch higher which is magnified with their wedges. My distances are 25 handicap average but I regularly shoot 90. If you claim to hit it further than average for your handicap you need to learn to pitch and putt better because you're throwing shots away somewhere!
This is pointless. You should have a good length delta between your irons regardless of handicap. If the length difference between the 9 iron and PW is 15+ yards something is off and you should do a proper fitting.
High handicappers use game improvement irons that are sold with stronger lofts and sometimes longer shafts to give more distance. I too used to hit my 9 iron about 150. Now that I’m using a players iron I hit my 9 iron about 135. I consistently hit my driver 265-280 so it’s more beneficial to have irons that are shorter because I’m typically closer to the green, so I have more options. My irons better cover the distances I’m hitting from.
Was looking for this flex. :P I've a friend with a "150 Pitching wedge" who can't break 95 to save himself.. I'm like "slow down and go for accuracy instead of bombing everything."
Can't be carry distances with Arccos data. Even being there it's not easy to evaluate that (except when pitching on a green). So that's total distances. Not that it should do a big difference (at least on the lower part of the handicap spectrum) as the roll out on irons should be minimal. On top of that, another methodology question: is the median a "median between recorded shots" (ie the distance so that there are as many shots with said iron for said hcp class that landed further as there were landing shorter) or a median of "averages per players" (the distance so that there are as many players in the base that have an average distance further than this as there are players with a shorter one)?
Exactly. Came here to say the same thing. Arccos simply cannot tell where the ball first bounces - only where it finishes!
I also agree. Arccos can't work out carry distances. It must be total.
This video made me feel so much better. That shit was getting in my head for a while bc I watch too much youtube.
I think the reason the PW gap is large from a 9i is its a club people are likely to take some distance off (perhaps rather than using a full gap wedge, or they may not have one)
Or they hit chip and runs with it. Will reduce average distances dramatically!
Agree with the comment on people using the club for pitch and run. however in some iron sets there is also a big difference with lofts
Club distance is not a true measure of handicap. I hit my clubs further than every golfer on the LPGA tour…yet my handicap is a lot higher.
Everyone hits their clubs further than the LPGA tour.
I hit further than a lot of PGA pros but shoot in the 90s. I'm garbage 100 yards in.
These numbers are ‘Average’ distances. When I pull out an iron, I more often than not are going for a FULL swing, the few times that I don’t won’t drop the average that much. But, when I pull out why Pitching Wedge, I can expect any and all types of shots, full swings, pitch shots and chip shots, those shorter swings explain the lower averages for the higher handicap players. Hence the large gaps between the 9I and PW. The scratch to low handicap players would use a gap wedge instead of the pitching wedge for those shorter shots, meaning their PWs won’t have short shots lowering their averages.
I work with Garmin, what I notice is that the average distance takes pitch shots into account. So might be logical there is such a large gap between pitching wedge and 9i.
I am in my 60's and have a 9.9 handicap but do not hit the ball as far as my younger playing partners who all have a higher handicap. I may have shorter distances with my shots, but I am slightly better with my accuracy and course management. Bottom line, we are all different in age, height, swing speed which all effect distance. We are not average, we are all golfers.
I find it very confusing to have this sort of data. How do you compare the carry distance of my 7 iron (34° blade) with the carry distance of modern "power bats" with a 28° "7 iron" that flies miles in the sky and spins 30% less? Shaft length might even be different... What's the need, as well? As long as your irons fly a consistent distance that you know, you're golden. We might as well have the irons with their distance stamped on them instead of numbers.
You asked why the gaps are so large between the PW and 9i for higher handicappers. The simple answer is what they are doing with lofts.
The low handicappers tend to have more blades or traditionally lofted clubs with 4 degrees separating each club. The higher the handicapper, the more likely they are of having "player distance" or "game improvement" irons. If you look at the lofts, you will see that the PW to 9i is 5 degrees (and some have an actual 6 degrees of difference) but the mid to long irons only have a 2-3 degree difference. I have been saying for years that this is ass-backwards. The lofts should be closer together for the scoring clubs, not the other way around. My buddy has Srixon 585 irons, for example. His 4 iron is 24 degrees and his 5 iron is 26 degrees, which is why he only hits his 4-iron 5-7 yards farther than his 5 iron (so he scrapped it for a hybrid). But, his PW is 44 degrees and his 9-iron is 39 degrees, so he hits his 9i 15+ yards further than his PW. Of course he does....that's what happens when there is a 5 degree difference at the top end of the bag but 2 degrees at the bottom. MAKES NO SENSE. Hey, OEMS, STOP DOING THIS!!!!!!
Gapping is probably down to the lofts of the clubs being used. As handicaps go up the ball striking won’t be so good and the longer clubs need decent clubhead speed to keep the gaps equal. With modern power bats the lofts are so strong that a wedge is more like a nine a five is like a four hence you end up with more hybrids and wedges in the bag as the set irons only work from wedge to five or even six for some people.
18 hcp here, with 150 yds with 6 irons (30 degree loft) - spot on for my hcp.
Argos only measures total distance not carry distance as you are constantly referring to. This is a huge point you are miss representing in the video. Even though these are global averages these do not take account of course conditions so the SD numbers around these numbers would also help people get a clearer picture of where they stand.
Having watched the video and read some of the comments provided, I feel that that the majority of the comments are missing the point. The reason for using these collated figures is to provide golfers of all abilities an average overall standard to assess their own personal game according to their handicap range, there are always going to be exceptions to the rule, remember these are averages.don't be too pedantic or try to read too much into every single statistic provided it is a guide based on a lot of information gathered. Give the presenter a break not a breakdown. Excellent instruction video well done
Correct. The comments as usual are full of nitpicking soy boys.
All very fine statistics wise ......... THE ONLY STAT MISSING THE LOFT of the various clubs used ! ! ! .......... modern 7-irons can range from 29 degrees (or less ! ! ) back to traditional 34 degrees ............ so a modern 29 degree 7-iron would equate to my traditional 6-iron, etc., etc., etc............and whilst I appreciate modern irons have more height/stopping power on greens, we are still talking about how far a club hits the ball on the full ........... so I think this review requires much more reference to the club loft degrees involved ............. look forward to Golf Monthly feedback on my comments ??????????
Yes sir - very true.
Not that it's completely relevant to your point, but Bryson's 7 iron is 25 degrees. Admittedly he pounds the ball further than a traditional 5 or 6 iron with this loft but you get the gist..
I'd like to see manufacturers claim that this year's super amazing 30 degree club (club number not even relevant) goes longer and has a tighter disbursement than last year's 30 degree club...
Great to see ACTUAL data from the golf course vs a RUclipsr's theoretical data from an indoor setup.
NOTE: The data is MEDIAN not AVERAGE distances. MEDIAN means the distance most commonly hit with a particular club (in statistics language = highest frequency). This differs to an AVERAGE as outliers have no effect on a MEDIAN.
The data only shows what is going on out there in real life. This gives a useful benchmark, but there is no should. Each one of us hits the ball where we hit it according to a variety of variables. This data allows us to see how we stack up against others of ALL age groups together.
As others have posted, it is reassuring data that is considerably less long than the numbers put up by RUclipsrs in ideal conditions. The very good data from people like AskGolfNut therefore represents the theoretical maximum carry (no wind, flat surface) for the swing speeds and clubs used.
Thanks for the vid.
Club lofts and design are a HUGE part of distance. I could (in theory) take a blade 7i and a fat chunky 7i and average 30 yards difference between them. I naively used to think tour pros couldn't hit their irons very far at all, but that's because their lofts are much higher and thinner on their clubs compared to what I used to hit. I switched from r7 irons to JPX 921 Forged and lost some distance due to going to a more "players iron", but gained more workability in my shot when I want it.
I didnt read for other answers but i would suggest that lower handicap players will have more short yardage clubs in their bags than the higher handicap players. That pw probably sees much higher usage
Great review and believe these numbers , let’s be honest we all think we’re hitting balls longer than we are. I’m a senior handicap 18 now I put a card in every round, hit my 7 about 135 and my PW 100 yards. I carry 4 wedges AW, PW, SW, LW, find this covers me from my 9 iron so no real gaps. Fallen in love with Dynapwr forged very easy to hit with nice feel, but working with my pro as I add 2 degrees on the strike need to compress the ball better so will delay new irons till I’m sorted.
I play with a lot of high handicappers and they favour their pitching wedge for anything from 70-100 yards. Standard sets tend to stop at PW or maybe they have a SW. But a SW is 54 degrees, PW can be 44-48. So there's a big gap. So you can buy a 'set' of wedges, try and hammer a SW and hit it fat or learn to play 3/4 wedge shots.
How do Arccos get the carry distance for each club?
Are those arccos numbers men only or combined with women?
A lot of these numbers must be age related as well. 20 years ago I was a worse golfer, but hit it further. Now I'm older I've realised its not all about 300 yard drives and I have a much better short game.
STOP TALING SO MUCH SENSE, THE SHEEP WONT HANDLE IT LOL
I think that most don't use there PW for full swing, but rather close to the green from either coming up short or feel its the best club for them to get it on the green....as for Arcos...it is amazing!!! got it for free with my new set of clubs, and yes its like 200 if you just go out and buy it, but damn is it dead on after you let it track your rounds, its dead on money....even when it tells me to say, use an 8 iron, when I think I should use a 9....and I stick it dead center of the green!! its really amazing....well worth the price, even if you have to buy the sensors...yall need to look into it!!
If it's Arccos, then it's total, not carry. I thought the numbers were a little short, just as you said. I'm a 4hcp, and these 0-5 numbers are right around mine, but my swing speed is quite a bit slower than that of average players at my hcp. I guess there are more slow-swinging single cappers out there than I thought! I have interesting gapping in P-7 iron as well, but that's because I use all those clubs for so many different shots and distances. Arccos doesn't know what to make of it. It's like, "why did he use 7-iron from 110 yards in the middle of the fairway?" But Arccos doesn't know that it was raining, it was 45°F, and it was straight into a 30-mph wind.
I hit all my clubs 130yds 🤔
As a very high handicapper I can say I generally don’t hit the pitching wedge 100% whereas the 9 etc I’ll always hit 100%
Create a smaller and larger practice golf ball for the range. I think this will help golfers with contact.
OK, first point - These are median not average distances ... quite different things and you can't casually mix n match median and mean (average)
Secondly, we don't know the lofts.
15 index and my 7 goes ~ 150 metres so 165 yards but it's 32 degrees which is what my old 6 iron was
Great point. I think median is a much better way to analyse than average.
It would be very interesting to see data on shot dispersion by club and handicap. I think that would tell a better story.
Is handicap nd distance directly linked. Though there maybe some link, but accuracy is more a mark of handicap. I could hit 7 170, quite accurately for a while, but my handicap never below 18
It's very simple, the higher handicappers think of the pw as a wedge because of the name, pitching wedge. They use it as they expect a "wedge" should be used, without taking a full swing. As a 20 handicap I am learning the pw should possibly not be considered a "wedge" if that makes any sense.
Are those big gaps at 9i-PW because iron lofts have become so much stronger, but wedges have tended to stay the same, so the loft gap between 9i and PW has become greater?
I don't necessarily disagree with the numbers mentioned in this video. However, everyone's swing speed varies, how they deliver the club, centered or off-centered hits will either increase or decrease the distance of the shot, and lastly, the kind of clubs being used (blades, cavity-back, more forgiving irons and so on. Not to mention how old the clubs are and are the clubs weaker or stronger lofted. All these points come into play here.
I also need to mention, age of the golfer will also matter on how far they'll be able to hit the ball using these clubs. Typically as you age, your distance decrease some.
A lot of the higher handicap players I play with do not hit their PW full because it's a 'wedge'. If it said 10 on the bottom making it an iron, I think they would commit to a full shot thus closing the gap
Didn’t realize Arccos measured carry distance vs. Total distance.
Pointless video! It’s all down to loft and delivery.
I disagree, it's not pointless, but I do agree to the point that I can vary the length of my shorter clubs simply by changing ball position and shaft lean when I'm playing a shot.
It's all very interesting and brings great debate points, yet there are so many variables...
I would very much like to see the statistics with distances for age ranges, distances for those ages with the different handicaps.
Out of interest, how does Arccos get carry distance rather than total distance?
They don't. Take these numbers with a grain of salt.
@@iparrajorge So these numbers are bullshit 😂 Great video - super helpful
@@richardh2536 I think the relative values (gaps, difference between different handicaps) had value since they probably use the same formula to convert total to carry. The specific values are approximate.
Interesting - i think age is a factor too but good to know that in general, not everybody hits bombs.
Also, as a 24 hc, i hit my driver 260ish but when the first goes ob and my second hits the rough, should that be 130 to account for my not being able to par a hole 😂
Does the average take into account that with a PW/SW you're more likely to take something off or choke down to control distance? If not the gap is meaningless.
I get good distances I’m just so inconsistent. I’m the past month I’ve shot a 94 and a 102.
The large gap between 9i and Pw could be due to people having longer hitting 'game improvement' irons then going into more bladed style wedges.
Lower handicaps tend to use traditional blades with according lofts, higher handicaps “game improvement” with stronger lofts???
I think the numbers are very misleading (well based on my experience they are) if the system registers all shots inc the chips say with a 7 iron your fats and thins and other miss hits then yes those are probably the averages but that has zero bearing on the club you choose when stood on the tee for the distance in front of you, you might hit your 7 iron 170yds but out of 10 shots you fluff 2 so the average drops dramatically but you don't hit to those averages as a handicap golfer, otherwise you'll hit 8 bad shots in every ten not two.
How do you get carry distance from arccos? The club distances in arccos is total distance… not carry…
I think we should ditch club numbers and just use loft numbers as they are all do different these days - we stick to lofts on wedges, driver & woods so why not irons? I’ve had 7 irons from 27.5 to 34 degrees 🤷♂️
What about the age effect?
PW averages are lower because they are used more often for other shots than fully hit pitches 🤷♂️ simples
What are the lofts
I am pretty sure the way the Arccos sensors work is that they calculate total distance, NOT carry distance, the tags just measure where you first hit a shot and then where your next shot is subsequently hit from. They have no way to accurately work out carry distances.
Also, I am not sure that your handicap is necessarily an indication of how far you can hit the ball, you could have two players with the same handicap but one hits it much further but less accurately and the other hits it shorter but with greater control. Lots of young guys can hit the ball long distances but not necessarily with any great accuracy and I suspect their handicap would be higher.
Not a very useful video, Golf Monthly
Is that carry or total distance? Age is a factor, I will soon be 72, play off 6, and I know how far I hit all my clubs. How does 'how far you hit it' relate to a handicap. All nonsense, I play with some guys a lot younger, bang the ball miles, yet have a double figure handicap. If they geared it back and stayed in play, their handicaps would come down, for a fact. I am a fairway finder, get tired of looking for balls, in the rough, in the trees, for these 'big hitters' Too much DISTANCE! DISTANCE! DISTANCE! on RUclips now, try promoting the short game, where it really counts.
Honestly- this data is about as useful as the average speed of cars by their paint colour on the A1. There is no context to this data and it will just fall into incredibly generalised information. AKA there is a correlation between the distance you hit the ball and your handicap.
Loft? How can you do this without mentioning loft
Arccos does not measure carry, it is total distance.
How far on hybrids please and fairway woods
Arcoss doesn’t measure carry distance, so not sure how this video came about. Also, short game more often than not determines handicap, so whilst i like golf monthly, this vlog is a wrongun
Handicap has nothing in common with distance.
I’m 15-20 yds further than the 0-5 hdcp, and I’m a 13.1
BULLY FOR YOU, THEY WILL BEAT YOU BY THE 4TH HOLE PADDY.
I hit my clubs 20 yards further than 0-5 handicappers I'm a 10 handicap. WTH 🤔
Not sure how true of a representation this would be. It would all depend on the person. I just started golf this year, 32 handicap. I CAN carry my 5 iron 190.. I also can and perhaps more likely l top it 5 feet. The “average” may be 120 but who gages their yardages off miss hits..? Just my thoughts as a new golfer.
YOU ARE TOO SENSIBLE FOR THIS CHANNEL LMFAO
what this show's, most people do not hit as far as they think!! I have heard golfers say, oh my 7i goes 180, no it doesn't. you were 140 out
Handicap golfers don't deloft their wedges like the best players, they add loft and use cheaper balls that launch higher which is magnified with their wedges.
My distances are 25 handicap average but I regularly shoot 90. If you claim to hit it further than average for your handicap you need to learn to pitch and putt better because you're throwing shots away somewhere!
This also doesn't state what lofts are being used
hi handicap golfers don't compress tge ball and tend to scoop it. this is why thier 9 to pw is so big
I would love to see the average distance by age/sex.
Better player compress the ball better that your average joe . So there gaping to Better
This is pointless. You should have a good length delta between your irons regardless of handicap. If the length difference between the 9 iron and PW is 15+ yards something is off and you should do a proper fitting.
Shows the top end of the bag ppl need more forgiveness and practice. Oh and some of the numbers are 20 to 40 yards off from scratch handicap.
That doesnt seem right, a scratch golfer hitting the 9 iron 133??? I am a 15 handicaper and do 150, no sweat.
I feel these numbers are way too low
High handicappers use game improvement irons that are sold with stronger lofts and sometimes longer shafts to give more distance. I too used to hit my 9 iron about 150. Now that I’m using a players iron I hit my 9 iron about 135. I consistently hit my driver 265-280 so it’s more beneficial to have irons that are shorter because I’m typically closer to the green, so I have more options. My irons better cover the distances I’m hitting from.
ITS A 6 IRON BILLY BS MERCHANT.
No 3 iron???? Lol
DEGREES NOT NUMBERS.
Golf is hilarious...
This must be female golf data surly otherwise I'm a much better golfer than I thought
It doesn't matter how far you're "supposed" to hit you clubs. It matters how far (carry) you KNOW you get from each club.
as someone who carries my 7iron 170-175 but cannot break 100 this makes me sad XD
Was looking for this flex. :P I've a friend with a "150 Pitching wedge" who can't break 95 to save himself.. I'm like "slow down and go for accuracy instead of bombing everything."
LOFT IS???????????????/
@@AlastairBarker im running titleist t200s after a recent fitting
@@lokidecat yeah been trying to slow down but i end up just chunking it XD im sure it will click eventually
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